This might be a different approach to gambling?

[Runnert]

What additional games are you planning to integrate on your gambling site? I am curious what will happen to this site after a couple or six of months of active operations. Can they sustain their business or not?

We want to add dice games with multiple players, poker, sports-bets(PvP) and lotteries. If the community has some other idea we are willing to add that if it is PvP and without house edge. We are curious as well if people are going to use our service.

[veleten]

so , the monetization will be through donations , right?
I would like to see the site first , but I'm sure the business model is simply not going to make it
from my experience, when you provide some service or goods and ask people to donate if they like it
you will end up with one or two random donations , if even that , but I can see you are not too worried about the money aspect
adding ads to a gambling site doesn't give any bonus points from the point of view of a gambler
but once again , lets wait and see the product first , when is the ETA for the site to go live?

You can visit our site at www.Fifty-Fifty.casino. we are currently in the beta so don't expect to much.

Tips are really common in the regular casino's. There is no business model because all donations will be used to improve the website. We will not use the donations for our own benefit. Well we heard that most people don't mind seeing 1-2 adds a day for a free casino. Just to keep the platform self-sustainable.

well , I had a peek
the site is very basic , to put it mildly :0
its a pure PVP site, you say that there will be only player vs player games
this leads to another problem , that really hampers all of the PVP casinos - provably fair aspect
it is very hard to prove that the opponent you just lost to is not a house bot or the games are not rigged in any way
there were many attempts to create a popular pvp casino , all of them failed
lets hope you find a winning formula and your site makes it , good luck

[Runnert]

so , the monetization will be through donations , right?
I would like to see the site first , but I'm sure the business model is simply not going to make it
from my experience, when you provide some service or goods and ask people to donate if they like it
you will end up with one or two random donations , if even that , but I can see you are not too worried about the money aspect
adding ads to a gambling site doesn't give any bonus points from the point of view of a gambler
but once again , lets wait and see the product first , when is the ETA for the site to go live?

You can visit our site at www.Fifty-Fifty.casino. we are currently in the beta so don't expect to much.

Tips are really common in the regular casino's. There is no business model because all donations will be used to improve the website. We will not use the donations for our own benefit. Well we heard that most people don't mind seeing 1-2 adds a day for a free casino. Just to keep the platform self-sustainable.

well , I had a peek
the site is very basic , to put it mildly :0
its a pure PVP site, you say that there will be only player vs player games
this leads to another problem , that really hampers all of the PVP casinos - provably fair aspect
it is very hard to prove that the opponent you just lost to is not a house bot or the games are not rigged in any way
there were many attempts to create a popular pvp casino , all of them failed
lets hope you find a winning formula and your site makes it , good luck

I understand the site looks kinda basic at the moment. We are working really hard on improving the backend of the website. The next couple of months we will start with improving our UI. Please read the bottom part of our thread this will clarify the provable fair part. ;P

[BTCevo]

What additional games are you planning to integrate on your gambling site? I am curious what will happen to this site after a couple or six of months of active operations. Can they sustain their business or not?

We want to add dice games with multiple players, poker, sports-bets(PvP) and lotteries. If the community has some other idea we are willing to add that if it is PvP and without house edge. We are curious as well if people are going to use our service.

How are you being able to get money if there is no house edge on your site? I do not understand how are you going to generate some money here. Even if it is a PvP based game there should be some fee that eill be deducted when you are winning towards other players. But here you are saying there is no house edge which means that when players win there will be no deduction for fee. So what is the point of having this gambling site for the start?

For players it will be good enough to have something like this for playing because it is pure 50/50 chance but is it profitable for you? I do not think so

[Runnert]

What additional games are you planning to integrate on your gambling site? I am curious what will happen to this site after a couple or six of months of active operations. Can they sustain their business or not?

We want to add dice games with multiple players, poker, sports-bets(PvP) and lotteries. If the community has some other idea we are willing to add that if it is PvP and without house edge. We are curious as well if people are going to use our service.

How are you being able to get money if there is no house edge on your site? I do not understand how are you going to generate some money here. Even if it is a PvP based game there should be some fee that eill be deducted when you are winning towards other players. But here you are saying there is no house edge which means that when players win there will be no deduction for fee. So what is the point of having this gambling site for the start?

For players it will be good enough to have something like this for playing because it is pure 50/50 chance but is it profitable for you? I do not think so

There will be zero fees or edges. We are not looking to make profit from this project. But we do want the project to be self-sustainable in the long run. So we might add some advertisements later on.

[adaseb]

Please change your topic to something less flashy like your site name and maybe a feature or two like PvP and No House edge.

Like I said before I just don't see this ever being successful. You can't survive without a house edge, the donation idea will not work. Maybe if someone wins big they will donate 1% but most gamblers are greedy and won't donate anything at all.

Another issue is that in crypto we tried the PvP model before and it was even an option on the large prime size dice site and after a few years they removed the option due to low interest.

Most people rather just do it again the house and rely on provably fair.

[Runnert]

Please change your topic to something less flashy like your site name and maybe a feature or two like PvP and No House edge.

Like I said before I just don't see this ever being successful. You can't survive without a house edge, the donation idea will not work. Maybe if someone wins big they will donate 1% but most gamblers are greedy and won't donate anything at all.

Another issue is that in crypto we tried the PvP model before and it was even an option on the large prime size dice site and after a few years they removed the option due to low interest.

Most people rather just do it again the house and rely on provably fair.

We tried something less flashy but we didn't got that many views.. We operate within the criteria of this forum.

If the donation idea doesn't work we might add some advertisements later on, but like i said donations are just to get extra progress on the site.
Think about paying for a website translator etc. We are not hoping on making a living from the donations aspect. Also not on the adds, those will be there just to make the platform self-sustainable. If that happens within 2 years we will be happy enough.

Well we will be provable fair, and will try to get out all the flaws the co-exist with a PvP system.
We believe that this will work, and we will do our best to make it work. ;P

[MonsterV]

Please change your topic to something less flashy like your site name and maybe a feature or two like PvP and No House edge.

Like I said before I just don't see this ever being successful. You can't survive without a house edge, the donation idea will not work. Maybe if someone wins big they will donate 1% but most gamblers are greedy and won't donate anything at all.

Another issue is that in crypto we tried the PvP model before and it was even an option on the large prime size dice site and after a few years they removed the option due to low interest.

Most people rather just do it again the house and rely on provably fair.

We tried something less flashy but we didn't got that many views.. We operate within the criteria of this forum.

If the donation idea doesn't work we might add some advertisements later on, but like i said donations are just to get extra progress on the site.
Think about paying for a website translator etc. We are not hoping on making a living from the donations aspect. Also not on the adds, those will be there just to make the platform self-sustainable. If that happens within 2 years we will be happy enough.

Well we will be provable fair, and will try to get out all the flaws the co-exist with a PvP system.
We believe that this will work, and we will do our best to make it work. ;P

I will fully support the project that you are going to make, but at least you guarantee something or have a respected member partner in this forum. So people will trust you far more, rather than having to advertise. Indeed this is not fair, when I ask for guarantees about your project and you do not get anything from the project that you made, but believe when you have a guarantee there will be many donations to your project, not even just on your project, but a donation to you personally.

[Runnert]

Please change your topic to something less flashy like your site name and maybe a feature or two like PvP and No House edge.

Like I said before I just don't see this ever being successful. You can't survive without a house edge, the donation idea will not work. Maybe if someone wins big they will donate 1% but most gamblers are greedy and won't donate anything at all.

Another issue is that in crypto we tried the PvP model before and it was even an option on the large prime size dice site and after a few years they removed the option due to low interest.

Most people rather just do it again the house and rely on provably fair.

We tried something less flashy but we didn't got that many views.. We operate within the criteria of this forum.

If the donation idea doesn't work we might add some advertisements later on, but like i said donations are just to get extra progress on the site.
Think about paying for a website translator etc. We are not hoping on making a living from the donations aspect. Also not on the adds, those will be there just to make the platform self-sustainable. If that happens within 2 years we will be happy enough.

Well we will be provable fair, and will try to get out all the flaws the co-exist with a PvP system.
We believe that this will work, and we will do our best to make it work. ;P

I will fully support the project that you are going to make, but at least you guarantee something or have a respected member partner in this forum. So people will trust you far more, rather than having to advertise. Indeed this is not fair, when I ask for guarantees about your project and you do not get anything from the project that you made, but believe when you have a guarantee there will be many donations to your project, not even just on your project, but a donation to you personally.

We understand but, we believe that users will attract more users. And we will be continuously working on this project and we hope one day people will trust us enough en start playing. We will update our work progress through this forum. Besides that, the donation aspect is only for users who want to see the platform growing faster! We see no reason to put our personal BTC adress anywhere.

[RivAngE]

What's going on, why all those red balls? Are we in a red lights district or something?
One red ball would be enough, no need to pop our eyes out!

[Quidat]

Please change your topic to something less flashy like your site name and maybe a feature or two like PvP and No House edge.

Like I said before I just don't see this ever being successful. You can't survive without a house edge, the donation idea will not work. Maybe if someone wins big they will donate 1% but most gamblers are greedy and won't donate anything at all.

Another issue is that in crypto we tried the PvP model before and it was even an option on the large prime size dice site and after a few years they removed the option due to low interest.

Most people rather just do it again the house and rely on provably fair.

Its really unsustainable on the longer run yet we know that site profitability would only depend on donations? Ads?Traffic?
Sooner or later they would realize that those things cant really able to cope up on sites expense and would tend to switch
to have edge ones which isnt surprising.This model had been tried out already by some gambling sites but ending up to closure
and as said this isnt sustainable.

^ I agree that those red balls are quite a distraction.

[Runnert]

What's going on, why all those red balls? Are we in a red lights district or something?
One red ball would be enough, no need to pop our eyes out!

Lol, i know it's a bit flashy but we saw how other casino's did it with there emoji's and we didn't feel like doing the same. At first we had a simple sentence but there wasn't this much attention, we want to stand out in anyway possible. ;P

Please change your topic to something less flashy like your site name and maybe a feature or two like PvP and No House edge.

Like I said before I just don't see this ever being successful. You can't survive without a house edge, the donation idea will not work. Maybe if someone wins big they will donate 1% but most gamblers are greedy and won't donate anything at all.

Another issue is that in crypto we tried the PvP model before and it was even an option on the large prime size dice site and after a few years they removed the option due to low interest.

Most people rather just do it again the house and rely on provably fair.

Its really unsustainable on the longer run yet we know that site profitability would only depend on donations? Ads?Traffic?
Sooner or later they would realize that those things cant really able to cope up on sites expense and would tend to switch
to have edge ones which isnt surprising.This model had been tried out already by some gambling sites but ending up to closure
and as said this isnt sustainable.

^ I agree that those red balls are quite a distraction.

We will never switch to a house edge of fee in anyway. If it won't be able to become self-sustainable we will cover all expenses. And yes the model has been tried out before but always with a business model behind it, since we don't have one we will never say that it isn't profiting enough.
I see everyone talking about expenses, what did you have in mind beside the hosting? It's not a company, no employees, no making revenue. Only hosting and we calculated that we are able to cover the hosting at any given time, even with 10,000 users.

[BTCevo]

What additional games are you planning to integrate on your gambling site? I am curious what will happen to this site after a couple or six of months of active operations. Can they sustain their business or not?

We want to add dice games with multiple players, poker, sports-bets(PvP) and lotteries. If the community has some other idea we are willing to add that if it is PvP and without house edge. We are curious as well if people are going to use our service.

How are you being able to get money if there is no house edge on your site? I do not understand how are you going to generate some money here. Even if it is a PvP based game there should be some fee that eill be deducted when you are winning towards other players. But here you are saying there is no house edge which means that when players win there will be no deduction for fee. So what is the point of having this gambling site for the start?

For players it will be good enough to have something like this for playing because it is pure 50/50 chance but is it profitable for you? I do not think so

There will be zero fees or edges. We are not looking to make profit from this project. But we do want the project to be self-sustainable in the long run. So we might add some advertisements later on.

If you does not try to make money, how are you going to develop your site then? Everyone know that any gambling site should get some profit or even take some fees to develop their site or may be to use it for the marketing so more players will come and stay to play. But if your site does not need profit, how do you think your site is going to be then? Just opening platform for players to gamble without any purpose?

[janggernaut]

There will be zero fees or edges. We are not looking to make profit from this project. But we do want the project to be self-sustainable in the long run. So we might add some advertisements later on.

If you does not try to make money, how are you going to develop your site then? Everyone know that any gambling site should get some profit or even take some fees to develop their site or may be to use it for the marketing so more players will come and stay to play. But if your site does not need profit, how do you think your site is going to be then? Just opening platform for players to gamble without any purpose?

He already said that if he will add advertisements later, so it will be their main source of income for his gambling site. (although i still wonder how they will get people's attention since they are still new on here)

[Runnert]

What additional games are you planning to integrate on your gambling site? I am curious what will happen to this site after a couple or six of months of active operations. Can they sustain their business or not?

We want to add dice games with multiple players, poker, sports-bets(PvP) and lotteries. If the community has some other idea we are willing to add that if it is PvP and without house edge. We are curious as well if people are going to use our service.

How are you being able to get money if there is no house edge on your site? I do not understand how are you going to generate some money here. Even if it is a PvP based game there should be some fee that eill be deducted when you are winning towards other players. But here you are saying there is no house edge which means that when players win there will be no deduction for fee. So what is the point of having this gambling site for the start?

For players it will be good enough to have something like this for playing because it is pure 50/50 chance but is it profitable for you? I do not think so

There will be zero fees or edges. We are not looking to make profit from this project. But we do want the project to be self-sustainable in the long run. So we might add some advertisements later on.

If you does not try to make money, how are you going to develop your site then? Everyone know that any gambling site should get some profit or even take some fees to develop their site or may be to use it for the marketing so more players will come and stay to play. But if your site does not need profit, how do you think your site is going to be then? Just opening platform for players to gamble without any purpose?

Sorry for my late reply, we have been very busy with the site and our personal life.

We develop the site and we do not need any income. We hope gamblers will understand that all the other casinos always win. That is our purpose.

There will be zero fees or edges. We are not looking to make profit from this project. But we do want the project to be self-sustainable in the long run. So we might add some advertisements later on.

If you does not try to make money, how are you going to develop your site then? Everyone know that any gambling site should get some profit or even take some fees to develop their site or may be to use it for the marketing so more players will come and stay to play. But if your site does not need profit, how do you think your site is going to be then? Just opening platform for players to gamble without any purpose?

He already said that if he will add advertisements later, so it will be their main source of income for his gambling site. (although i still wonder how they will get people's attention since they are still new on here)

The advertisement will only enter the site if the costs will become to high to cover it our selfs. Not as a way to gain a source of income.
We hope people will alert each other about this platform, but also there is no need to grow fast.

[Runnert]

What is your business model? From what I've seen, you don't seem to have any method of making a profit, since you don't take any rake. I'm worried that you're only method of turning a profit is by cheating on your heads and tails game - you know the server seed and know the opponent's client seed, so you can easily create a client seed that generates a win for you.

Fixed that issue

[akirasendo17]

I think its better to launch once the project is fully functional, let people wait but make sure , that its worth it, no need to hurry they. can still wait

[Runnert]

I think its better to launch once the project is fully functional, let people wait but make sure , that its worth it, no need to hurry they. can still wait

I understand what you said and that is the most common way to launch a casino. But from our perspective; we would like to develop the site along with the community and show you guys the progress and if there is something wrong(for example our old RNG system) we will fixt it right away.
In this way it's not only our project but yours also!

And thb we expected more developers/technical feedback but all feedback is welcome! Please let u know what you think should be added in the site.

[Runnert]

We will add a PvH mode(also zero-edge/rake) soon and free faucets

[Runnert]

We will add a PvH mode(also zero-edge/rake) soon and free faucets

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAmSAvmvA70

More indepth video on how our RNG works(on the PvP side). Be aware only for people with technical knowledge!