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However, the post referenced by DireWolf14 in his feedback seems to me like you tried to explain collateral to DadyD.
It does not seems to me like you were enticing a newbie into farming trust.

I'm trying to get some loan to incrase my trust

If you are willing to lose this money to the lender if DadyD defaults, why won't you send the 0.0015BTC directly to DadyD and expect him to repay you ?
DadyD is a newbie who registered here 2 weeks ago.

If you are willing to lose this money to the lender if DadyD defaults, why won't you send the 0.0015BTC directly to DadyD and expect him to repay you ?
DadyD is a newbie who registered here 2 weeks ago.

I am missing how the fact that backing DadyD's loan is going to give more credibility to it.
You have some history of not repaying loans on time. The whole situation is a bit odd.

However, the post referenced by DireWolf14 in his feedback seems to me like you tried to explain collateral to DadyD.
It does not seems to me like you were enticing a newbie into farming trust.

DadyD doesn't just want a loan. He wants a loan from a trusted user so he can get a trust feedback.

If marcotheminer just gives him a loan, the Newbie can't farm his trust. He's not using the 0.0015 for anything. He will just hold it and give it back to the lender in 48h with an extra. And marco probably already knowed this.

I can't message you, need to open a thread here.

You posted negative trust on my account for holding a new member's BTC. Not justified at all.

Please remove this, also I think it was a misunderstanding of what @DadyD searched for here (or maybe not), I was just holding more than his asked-for loan amount.

Coaching? I am holding his BTC - I gave him 1 micro loan myself.

EDIT: See my edit to the referenced post.. I was explaining to DadyD that collateral is better in another currency, so he can buy ETH instead and use it to secure 0.0015 BTC.. Don't go overtop Direwolf, I think you misinterpreted me in that reply.

I'm trying to get some loan to incrase my trust

You do not understand.
It is negatively perceived to help someone get a loan, whilst that person openly admitted to :



This is what it is all about. This is totally normal.
Trust isn't something you can "increase" with a whim. It is something you naturally earn from trades.

Ok DadyD was tagged, I'm not telling him to trust farm, let alone how to do it..

Neither am I helping them get a loan

That's exactly what you are doing.

The thread is archived here: https://archive.is/p9Lmu

Post 1 - DadyD asks for a loan, and already includes you as the escrow, meaning you have already agreed to help him get a loan.
Post 2 - You confirm your willingness to help him get a loan.
Post 7 - You confirm you are holding BTC collateral from DadyD, whilst DadyD is asking for a BTC loan.
Post 12 - DadyD states "I'm trying to get some loan to incrase my trust"
Post 14 - DadyD states a second time "I do this think to get trust" (Presumably "think" means "thing") and a third time "I have 0 trust and merit, i just want to build some"
Post 16 - After stating three times he is only taking this loan out to farm trust, you then advise him to sell some BTC to buy ETH and use the ETH as collateral to obtain a BTC loan. That sounds an awful lot like instructions to me.

You are both helping him to get a loan by offering to escrow on his behalf, and you are also telling him how to farm trust (which he admitted he is trying to do) by trading the coin he wants for one he doesn't want just to use it as collateral to get a loan in the coin he just sold.

The whole situation is extremely shady.

I am holding his BTC - I gave him 1 micro loan myself.

Nowadays I am too much busy on my offline task. I told you your behaviour seems to me that you are the alter of that so-called newbie account. When I started my lending busienss there were few people who gave loan even tips to a newbie account and got trust after few days they tried to begging loan without collateral and they were also a newbie so they got negative trust and finally left the forum or using alter account. And I think you are doing the same. You were a professional lender so you know who you can give the fund and whom you not. Can you show a sample where you fund to a newbie while you were a professional lender? Hopefully, think you can't because you know very well.

Before few months a negatively trusted user took only 1$ to transfer his altcoin which value was more than 1000$ but the borrower didn't return that 1$ only. And a newbie who has not created any helpful post for the forum asked non-collateral loan and you gave, is it trustworthy? If you did so, why you are bothering other threads while the so-called newbie asking loan either on his/her new topic or others topic. I cant understand.
@marcotheminer sorry I have not replied your pm as I am not going to prove who is that so-called newbie and who are you.

@Direwolf14 will you be leaving the negative trust?

@DadyD you have 0.0017 BTC already, which you want to use as collateral to borrow 0.0015 BTC?  Why?

Neither am I helping them get a loan

Person holding someone's 0.002BTC and at the same time not providing them 0.0015BTC with repayment of 0.0018BTC after they previously provided them 0.0015BTC no-collateral loan speaks for itself.

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Looks like you're still thinking that you're right and everyone else is wrong. You can't fix your reputation by repeatedly getting yourself into shady shit and lashing out at people who point this out to you.

Ok suchmoon, thanks for the reply but that's not the case - please don't turn this into a me vs them situation again.. I think it's an expected kind of "lash out" (again strange choice of words but OK), just because the original member changes to neutral - a new one steps in for a negative? He would have not placed anything had Direwolf left the original negative.. That's also a part of my point..

Repeatedly? I literally took escrow funds worth MORE than the loan he was looking for. Truly was supposed to be a simple thing, I am escrow not the lender/borrower.

You're muddying the waters with this escrow thing. Your trust rating is for helping a newbie to farm trust. Now you're arguing technicalities, and yes, lashing out at marlboroza. That's not how you earn trust.

I didn't know that was his intention..? I got caught up in a $20 loan - afterwards I told him I would not continue to help out. Is that not clear enough that I would not help someone farm trust?

Newbie admitted he's farming trust. Then you explained to him that he needs to use ETH to work around the concerns of other users in the thread. Again, you're just looking for loopholes, excuses, anything to game the system.

He needs to use ETH if he wants a loan, that's what I said.

He wants trust feedback, the loan is just means to an end, he said it like 3 times in that thread, and you're the only one who's still playing dumb about this whole situation. Give it up.

Yes he said he wanted to establish TRUST.

I was an escrow for him before that came to light / was interpreted as it is (yes I agree with you don't worry..).

And you don't see any issue with someone taking a loan for the sole purpose of building trust.

THIS IS WHY I BACKED OUT. How can no one see this? There was no resolve time here - it was straight to negative trust placement.

I'm trying to get some loan to incrase my trust

The only shady think is that i mention I do this think to get trust.
I have 0 trust and merit, i just want to build some

@DadyD best option is to buy an altcoin (I say ETH because of the potential BTC-pair to increase in the coming months..), and then use that (roughly 0.08ETH I think) to secure BTC for you to use.

Anyway, marlboroza, I can send it to you no problem at DadyD's command.

THIS IS WHY I BACKED OUT. How can no one see this? There was no resolve time here - it was straight to negative trust placement.

I will be able to loan you only next week, BTC or LTC as you needed earlier when we spoke.

@ marcotheminer please return my funds, its a dead end here.

Funds returned, I am no longer able to cover any loan funds.

especially with newbies who are usually lost around here

He would have not placed anything had Direwolf left the original negative.. That's also a part of my point..

THIS IS WHY I BACKED OUT. How can no one see this? There was no resolve time here - it was straight to negative trust placement.

@ marcotheminer please return my funds, its a dead end here.

Posts quoted in chronological order.

DadyD admits it the first time:

DadyD admits it for the second and third time:

After he admits it three times, you give him additional instructions:

And then you continue to offer to escrow for him:

You had ample time to back out and yet continued to offer to help him secure this frivolous loan.

Oh, only if "they" are newbies  ::)
I was dropped as a child (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5190539.msg52684464#msg52684464) so you have to forgive me for being "slow".

Actually, I wouldn't have placed anything if that feedback has been left as it was because it perfectly suits your profile - "helping "newbie" " to farm trust. Don't you worry about me, you will see my moral side when I get that loan back, but just wait for it.

You are lying. I don't know in what twisted reality do you live but after I asked first time "do we have a deal" you said:


And after that you didn't back out, "you have been told" to send funds back:

But just keep that threads and negative coming, I am sure you will find supporters.

I apologise I should've stated immediately I AM OUT. I did not foresee that not saying that would lead to this.

That's exactly what you are doing.
True. I think marco went into a panic. He is trying, like every person, to get out of this situation in the best possible way ... not succeeding.
The thread is archived here: https://archive.is/p9Lmu

Post 1 - DadyD asks for a loan, and already includes you as the escrow, meaning you have already agreed to help him get a loan.
True, he agreed to be my guarantor. He did it at the expense of my intentions.

Post 2 - You confirm your willingness to help him get a loan.
I don't think this is a fault ... Many act as guarantors in the forum and yet have good feedback. The only difference is that some of you hate marco and have insisted on making it pay. TRUE, he did bad and shady things in the past, but this is not a valid reason to punish him now (at least in this situation, AND ESPECIALLY WITHOUT EVIDENCE, or almost without carrying ... you have made many archives ...)Guys, the people can change ... remember it.

Post 7 - You confirm you are holding BTC collateral from DadyD, whilst DadyD is asking for a BTC loan.
True, and from my point of view it is right with regards to my investment. If it is wrong for you it is your problem. The question here is just one, I asked for a loan, I brought a guarantee, whatever it is, you can accept it or not. Questions aside, you have your butt covered and a profit in the event of a successful loan. You're just trying to bring marco's reputation down because you can't accept the loan issue and that, in this case, marco and I are two different people.

Post 12 - DadyD states "I'm trying to get some loan to incrase my trust"
VERY TRUE! And I confirmed it 3 times! Because this is the truth and unlike others I do not hide.
AND ESPECIALLY, as advised by your dear and esteemed user, I HAD TO CHANGE MY APPROACH AND LIE about my intentions. Nice one! NICE ONE! I'd rather be a user with -30 feedback than a liar, keep that in mind. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5190446.msg52673109#msg52673109 proof of


- Just in case.

Post 14 - DadyD states a second time "I do this think to get trust" (Presumably "think" means "thing") and a third time "I have 0 trust and merit, i just want to build some"
Yes, excuse my school English ... We don't all have the privilege to study it.
Post 16 - After stating three times he is only taking this loan out to farm trust, you then advise him to sell some BTC to buy ETH and use the ETH as collateral to obtain a BTC loan. That sounds an awful lot like instructions to me.
Yes, lots of instructions for taking a loan. He, at the expense of my intentions, continued to provide me with his guarantor support, without looking at why I was asking for the loan. THIS IS THE FAULT YOU ALLOCATE TO HIM! Since his morality is not the same as yours and the little bell "Hey, this man is building trust" has not sprung into his head. He continued to do what I asked, that is, SUPPORT ME IN THE TRANSACTION! This, as far as I'm concerned, is the only thing you are blaming!

You are both helping him to get a loan by offering to escrow on his behalf, and you are also telling him how to farm trust (which he admitted he is trying to do) by trading the coin he wants for one he doesn't want just to use it as collateral to get a loan in the coin he just sold.

The whole situation is extremely shady.

He continued to do what I asked, that is, SUPPORT ME IN THE TRANSACTION!

My comments on Posts 1, 2, and 7 having nothing to do with the ethics or logistics of having an escrow (or a guarantor, as you put it). My comments are to highlight that when marco said "Neither am I helping them get a loan", he is lying. He had agreed to hold bitcoin for you and escrow for you, therefore assisting you in getting a loan.

"True. I think marco went into a panic. He is trying, like every person, to get out of this situation in the best possible way ... not succeeding." maybe u didnt noticed that

In terms of Post 12 and 16, you don't seem to have accepted that taking a loan that you don't need for the sole purpose of building trust is a shady thing to do. Do you disagree with this?
Ma boy...Bring me the evidence that I don't need that loan. I don't want logical speeches, I want tangible evidence, with numbers and calculations where you can confirm to me that that coin exchange is useless. Then, if I hold it right, I'll give you mine (though I doubt it). If you don't understand why I asked for the loan, it doesn't mean it's wrong, you're just ignorant about it. As shady as it is, it doesn't make me any effect.

I am glad we are in agreement. He supported you in the shady activity of taking out a loan you didn't need for the sole purpose of building trust.

Stop saying I didn't need it, because you don't know the details.

@DadyD I don't trust trust farmers so I won't read single word you posted. I consider them lies.

@marcotheminer can you lock this thread as it is resolved, DW removed negative feedback.

Bring me the evidence that I don't need that loan.

@marcotheminer can you lock this thread as it is resolved

Without even giving your opinion

You mean outside of the fact that you admitted three times you were only taking out the loan to build trust?

Marco was holding 0.0017 BTC of yours, which you were offering to send to another person as collateral for a 0.0015 BTC loan. If you actually needed 0.0015 BTC to spend, you could just have had marco instantly return the 0.0017 BTC to you instead. That way, you would have ended up with 0.0017 - 0.0015 = 0.0002 BTC more, AND not have to take a loan, AND not have to waste time looking for a lender, AND not have to pay extra transaction fees, AND not have to pay repayment fees.

We are now going over the same ground repeatedly. You have admitted you only wanted a loan to build trust, and you have agreed that marco was attempting to help you do that. There is nothing more to discuss.

OK, I have read this and to be honest, I don't really need to comment anything before sending trust feedback. I can still read and make my own conclusions based on reading without commenting, thank you very much for your opinion.

I repeat. Shame.

What if I told you they paid me for every deposit I receive? What if I told you that they pay me for every account I register? Or if I told you that those 0.0015 btc are invested, along with my other btc and others, in order to receive income and share it with everyone? Or I'm just feeding the network with other taxes that I pay ... or who knows I play them ... Believe me, there are many reasons that you have not considered, you have only chosen the most common and obvious, even if wrong;)

And again, a new user such as me has to be farm his trust. If I don't do deals, if I don't try to give something to the community with good deals or ideas, your profile is useless.

Also I saw a lot of opinion feedbacks that increased a lot of users level up to +10 in some cases which I find funny... as some users just vote for themselves as they both like each other but they didn't risk money of none of the parties involved.

Anytime someone is obviously trying to build a trusted reputation, it suggest to others that their might be ulterior motives.  It might be cynical and paranoid, but that doesn't mean they're wrong.

I might suspect you are a body snatcher from the planet Xenon,

that doesn't give me a right to preemptively shank you in the name of protecting your potential victims.

I wouldn't trust you with a dirty diaper.

You'd be wrong.  I'm booty scratcher from the planet Terra.  :-*



WTF is this, a prison yard?  Who has been "shanked?"  Demonstrable proof, please.



You shouldn't.  Your dirty diapers are not my responsibility, and I refuse to be held accountable for your tendency to soil your britches.

Very cutesy. So cutesy I almost forgot you literally just tried use trying to build a positive reputation as justification for tagging people, claiming it is proof they could have ulterior motives. Show me the man, I will find you the crime. That is the Direpup credo.

Maybe you should find a few minutes to read the thread instead of repeating this nonsense. Context matters.

Not really.