Loan request. 0.0015 [btc]

[Steamtyme]

Just going to chime in here. Could we not have left this new user a neutral. Then explained to them how this is not the appropriate way to build up a trusted reputation?

OP
What is it you feel you need to be trusted to do? Newbies can buy and sell and generally bid on anything here on the forum. Sometimes you are asked to go above and beyond what other users may have to do - Proof of Funds, send first(Not always advisable but a different story)/use escrow. Seeking loans for the sole purpose as to gain credit, works for banks but here it looks shady.

Not sure if your trust will be made neutral or not, but I suggest just trying to do whatever it was you wanted here. People will set their terms with you on a case by case basis. Just to clarify for you the reason this seems really shady, is you can grab a bunch of small loans, pay them back have a few good reviews then move up to a larger loan and bolt. People have gone to further lengths than that.

[marcotheminer]

I'm still waiting for somene to loan me. And thanks for your negative trust, i will prove you i'm not a scamere, trust me.

I will be able to loan you only next week, BTC or LTC as you needed earlier when we spoke.

[DireWolfM14]

Just going to chime in here. Could we not have left this new user a neutral. Then explained to them how this is not the appropriate way to build up a trusted reputation?

The OP was given an explanation by TryNinja why his behavior is untrustworthy, and he had the opportunity to retract his statement, and acknowledge that this is frowned upon.  Instead, he doubled down and proceeded as he had started.  I wouldn't have left him a review at all if he had adjusted his approach.

Also, I have a strong suspicion this "newbie" isn't really a newbie at all.

[DadyD]

Just going to chime in here. Could we not have left this new user a neutral. Then explained to them how this is not the appropriate way to build up a trusted reputation?

OP
What is it you feel you need to be trusted to do? Newbies can buy and sell and generally bid on anything here on the forum. Sometimes you are asked to go above and beyond what other users may have to do - Proof of Funds, send first(Not always advisable but a different story)/use escrow. Seeking loans for the sole purpose as to gain credit, works for banks but here it looks shady.

Not sure if your trust will be made neutral or not, but I suggest just trying to do whatever it was you wanted here. People will set their terms with you on a case by case basis. Just to clarify for you the reason this seems really shady, is you can grab a bunch of small loans, pay them back have a few good reviews then move up to a larger loan and bolt. People have gone to further lengths than that.

Thanks for your tip and your opinion. As i replayed to Ninja:

Yes. Sounds exactly like the people who get a lot of small loans to build some trust and start increasing the amount until one day they just scam. You are basically buying trust. This is something you build through the years, and not making fake trades and getting loans.

Why would anyone trust you just because you got a loan and gave it back in 48 hours? How does that make you a trusted person? Just because you didn't scam now? How is that a guarantee that you aren't going to scam in the next loan you get or the next trade you make because you are now a "trusted" person?

Its normal to think that. All of us could do that, i get loans and I disappear after i got 1 btc as loan because people trust me. We could all do it. It's just a matter of trust. Even I thought that people could arrive at your own reasoning, it's just a risk I wanted to take.

If i had followed the "appropriate" way to build my trust, its not a guarantee that i may be a good person and not a scammer. After i get my trust, and received 1 btc loan, i could disappear in both way. Its just a question of trust in any user.  The way i build trust is my own risk.

As newbie i've bring an escrow to proof i'm not a scamer but didnt worked...And i dont get the point to get altcoin..i just spread fees in exchange and fees on withdraw...

I'm still waiting for somene to loan me. And thanks for your negative trust, i will prove you i'm not a scamere, trust me.

I will be able to loan you only next week, BTC or LTC as you needed earlier when we spoke.

Np, thanks!

Just going to chime in here. Could we not have left this new user a neutral. Then explained to them how this is not the appropriate way to build up a trusted reputation?

The OP was given an explanation by TryNinja why his behavior is untrustworthy, and he had the opportunity to retract his statement, and acknowledge that this is frowned upon.  Instead, he doubled down and proceeded as he had started.  I wouldn't have left him a review at all if he had adjusted his approach.

Also, I have a strong suspicion this "newbie" isn't really a newbie at all.

So, in your opinion, I should have been lying? Thats fuking bullshit. I prefer to continue with my opinion, since this is the truth. And i please you to leave marco out of this topic, hes not giving any advice.
I'll ignore you. Your opinion and your "trust" feedback its enouth, you can stop with that harassment. Have a good one.

[marlboroza]

0.0017BTC collateral for 0.0015BTC? Lol, and I thought I have seen it all. I'll buy this, as I don't trust your escrow, send me 0.0017BTC collateral, I will send you 0.0015BTC loan and as you will have to repay me 0.0018BTC, no, wait....let's make that collateral 0.0018BTC and you don't have to repay me and I will keep collateral.

Or maybe to just send me 0.0003BTC? Do we have a deal?

Also, I have a strong suspicion this "newbie" isn't really a newbie at all.

I have theory about this... 

[marcotheminer]

Just going to chime in here. Could we not have left this new user a neutral. Then explained to them how this is not the appropriate way to build up a trusted reputation?

The OP was given an explanation by TryNinja why his behavior is untrustworthy, and he had the opportunity to retract his statement, and acknowledge that this is frowned upon.  Instead, he doubled down and proceeded as he had started.  I wouldn't have left him a review at all if he had adjusted his approach.

Also, I have a strong suspicion this "newbie" isn't really a newbie at all.

He's not me if you're implying that lol

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Anyway, marlboroza, I can send it to you no problem at DadyD's command.

[o_e_l_e_o]

If i had followed the "appropriate" way to build my trust, its not a guarantee that i may be a good person and not a scammer.

The real question is "Why are you so eager to build trust?"

Pretty much anything you want to do on this forum is doable with zero trust by using a trusted escrow or by you sending before the other party. You can trade bitcoins and altcoins, you can trade bitcoin and fiat, you can buy goods or bid on auctions, you can sell goods or host your own auctions, and so on, all with zero trust. There is no need to build trust if you are willing to use an escrow. Probably the only thing you can't do without a significant amount of trust is offer escrow services.

I'm afraid I am going to agree with pretty much everyone else in this thread: Almost every time we see someone eager to rapidly earn trust, it is so they can leverage that trust to pull off a scam or some other shady activity.

[DadyD]

0.0017BTC collateral for 0.0015BTC? Lol, and I thought I have seen it all. I'll buy this, as I don't trust your escrow, send me 0.0017BTC collateral, I will send you 0.0015BTC loan and as you will have to repay me 0.0018BTC, no, wait....let's make that collateral 0.0018BTC and you don't have to repay me and I will keep collateral.

Or maybe to just send me 0.0003BTC? Do we have deal?

And if i use an altcoin as other say and use to do?

I ask for 0.0015 BTC and as collateral i bring 0.085 eth and i promise to pay you back 0.0018 BTC, no, wait...i dont have to repay you cuse the collateral cover all mmmh...Sounds familiar? I just chose to repay 0.0003 btc as interest in 48h...Its just a coincidence.

Or wait..

I ask for 0.02 BTC and i'll repay you 0.022 BTC ( a normal loan+10% int ) and as collateral i bring 1,4 eth...The amout asked+10% interest...mh...

Tell me your theory i'm curious.

Thanks for your feedback

Just going to chime in here. Could we not have left this new user a neutral. Then explained to them how this is not the appropriate way to build up a trusted reputation?

The OP was given an explanation by TryNinja why his behavior is untrustworthy, and he had the opportunity to retract his statement, and acknowledge that this is frowned upon.  Instead, he doubled down and proceeded as he had started.  I wouldn't have left him a review at all if he had adjusted his approach.

Also, I have a strong suspicion this "newbie" isn't really a newbie at all.

He's not me if you're implying that lol

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Anyway, marlboroza, I can send it to you no problem at DadyD's command.

I think he was sarcastic. You can proceed if not.

If i had followed the "appropriate" way to build my trust, its not a guarantee that i may be a good person and not a scammer.

The real question is "Why are you so eager to build trust?"

Pretty much anything you want to do on this forum is doable with zero trust by using a trusted escrow or by you sending before the other party. You can trade bitcoins and altcoins, you can trade bitcoin and fiat, you can buy goods or bid on auctions, you can sell goods or host your own auctions, and so on, all with zero trust. There is no need to build trust if you are willing to use an escrow. Probably the only thing you can't do without a significant amount of trust is offer escrow services.

I'm afraid I am going to agree with pretty much everyone else in this thread: Almost every time we see someone eager to rapidly earn trust, it is so they can leverage that trust to pull off a scam or some other shady activity.

For now nothing...And as you said, "Almost". Thanks for your advice.

[Steamtyme]

Thanks for your tip and your opinion. As i replayed to Ninja:
If i had followed the "appropriate" way to build my trust, its not a guarantee that i may be a good person and not a scammer. After i get my trust, and received 1 btc loan, i could disappear in both way. Its just a question of trust in any user.  The way i build trust is my own risk.

No point in thanking me you didn't take the advice or seem to grasp the reasoning behind this. I will never understand new accounts(not going to bother speculating this) that appear and don't care to do things in a way expected of all users on this forum. You're right doing things the right way doesn't make you a good person, but it still serves a purpose. You are less likely to toss away an account with a reputation, among other things. You've chosen your way to build trust, and I can assure you it has only made things significantly more difficult for you to do business here.

[LoyceV]

Just going to chime in here. Could we not have left this new user a neutral. Then explained to them how this is not the appropriate way to build up a trusted reputation?

The OP was given an explanation by TryNinja why his behavior is untrustworthy, and he had the opportunity to retract his statement, and acknowledge that this is frowned upon.

Many users use loans to farm Trust, but most of them don't mention that's the real reason.

[marlboroza]

And if i use an altcoin as other say and use to do?

I ask for 0.0015 BTC and as collateral i bring 0.085 eth and i promise to pay you back 0.0018 BTC, no, wait...i dont have to repay you cuse the collateral cover all mmmh...Sounds familiar? I just chose to repay 0.0003 btc as interest in 48h...Its just a coincidence.

Actually, you are right, it is just that you want to buy trust this way, it is simple wrong.

I ask for 0.02 BTC and i'll repay you 0.022 BTC ( a normal loan+10% int ) and as collateral i bring 1,4 eth...The amout asked+10% interest...mh...

Tell me your theory i'm curious.

What about this, send me collateral 0.022 BTC and I will send you 0.02BTC, and you don't have to repay me loan 0.02BTC + 10% interest but I will keep 0.022BTC collateral?

[DadyD]

Thanks for your tip and your opinion. As i replayed to Ninja:
If i had followed the "appropriate" way to build my trust, its not a guarantee that i may be a good person and not a scammer. After i get my trust, and received 1 btc loan, i could disappear in both way. Its just a question of trust in any user.  The way i build trust is my own risk.

No point in thanking me you didn't take the advice or seem to grasp the reasoning behind this. I will never understand new accounts(not going to bother speculating this) that appear and don't care to do things in a way expected of all users on this forum. You're right doing things the right way doesn't make you a good person, but it still serves a purpose. You are less likely to toss away an account with a reputation, among other things. You've chosen your way to build trust, and I can assure you it has only made things significantly more difficult for you to do business here.

I got your advice. I just want to do all those things in my way and not "normal" why that ppl on forum use. I've explained my purpose, and i received -3 trust.

Just going to chime in here. Could we not have left this new user a neutral. Then explained to them how this is not the appropriate way to build up a trusted reputation?

The OP was given an explanation by TryNinja why his behavior is untrustworthy, and he had the opportunity to retract his statement, and acknowledge that this is frowned upon.

Many users use loans to farm Trust, but most of them don't mention that's the real reason.

And when mention that they got -3 trust. Fair.

And if i use an altcoin as other say and use to do?

I ask for 0.0015 BTC and as collateral i bring 0.085 eth and i promise to pay you back 0.0018 BTC, no, wait...i dont have to repay you cuse the collateral cover all mmmh...Sounds familiar? I just chose to repay 0.0003 btc as interest in 48h...Its just a coincidence.

Actually, you are right, it is just that you want to build trust this way, it is simple wrong.

The only wrong thing it's your attitude and your sarcasm in your first post. Ppl do it with service of loan and escrow but dont mention it...

I ask for 0.02 BTC and i'll repay you 0.022 BTC ( a normal loan+10% int ) and as collateral i bring 1,4 eth...The amout asked+10% interest...mh...

Tell me your theory i'm curious.

What about this, send me collateral 0.022 BTC and I will send you 0.02BTC, and you don't have to repay me loan 0.02BTC + 10% interest but I will keep 0.022BTC collateral?

My point was to avoid fees thats why i bring on an escrow. Your collateral and % interest are the same that's why you don't get the point. If i promise 0.0017 as collateral and pay back 0.002 on extintion thats sound more different right? As in op i've promised 0.0018 payback and a collateral of 0.0017

@ marcotheminer please return my funds, its a dead end here.

[marcotheminer]

Funds returned, I am no longer able to cover any loan funds.

Can you please edit the OP to reflect this? Thanks..

[suchmoon]

Many users use loans to farm Trust, but most of them don't mention that's the real reason.

I hope reputable lenders are not posting positive trust for collateral-backed loans since there is no significant risk involved. Based on the new positive trust verbiage ("unlikely to scam anyone") even a no-collateral loan shouldn't automatically earn a positive rating.

[DadyD]

Funds returned, I am no longer able to cover any loan funds.

Can you please edit the OP to reflect this? Thanks..

Thansk for your service, and i'm so so sorry for your negative rep. Thanks again.

[marlboroza]

The only wrong thing it's your attitude and your sarcasm in your first post. Ppl do it with service of loan and escrow but dont mention it...

There is nothing wrong with my attitude towards trust farming.

[DadyD]

The only wrong thing it's your attitude and your sarcasm in your first post. Ppl do it with service of loan and escrow but dont mention it...

There is nothing wrong in my attitude towards trust farming.

You can keep your emotional issue for yourself and dont come here with off topic messages. You esprimed your opinion by giving a negative trust. Please avoid to reply anymore if not interested in loan.

OP updated, if someone still interested.

[marlboroza]

Please avoid to reply anymore if not interested in loan.

OP updated, if someone still interested.

I know i'm new and none will trust me easy but i can try anyway.

Loan Amount: 0.0015BTC
Loan Purpose: Invet
Loan Repay Amount: 0.002BTC
Loan Repay Date: Within 48h
Type of Collateral: my escrow will pay you if i dont repay my loan. i'll sent first 0.0017 as collateral if needed.
Escrow profile Link: marcotheminer removed.
Bitcoin Address: 3GmZmYbZKLJ8TyR5mvFEUXwxvbffb1BEpD

I am interested. Send 0.0017BTC collateral to this address bc1qgt59jdkfz2uvt00nddrfheuzu4mcts5dhyer3m and confirm this 3GmZmYbZKLJ8TyR5mvFEUXwxvbffb1BEpD is address where I will send 0.0015BTC. Repayment address: bc1qgt59jdkfz2uvt00nddrfheuzu4mcts5dhyer3m

[LoyceV]

OP updated, if someone still interested.

I'm confused:

Loan Amount: 0.0015BTC
Loan Repay Amount: 0.002BTC
i'll sent first 0.0017 as collateral if needed.

(quote shortened)

So basically you're back to this:

@DadyD you have 0.0017 BTC already, which you want to use as collateral to borrow 0.0015 BTC?  Why?

Give this up, learn from your mistakes, learn how this community works, and who knows, your negative Trust may be changed to neutral at some point.

[DadyD]

OP updated, if someone still interested.

I know i'm new and none will trust me easy but i can try anyway.

Loan Amount: 0.0015BTC
Loan Purpose: Invet
Loan Repay Amount: 0.002BTC
Loan Repay Date: Within 48h
Type of Collateral: my escrow will pay you if i dont repay my loan. i'll sent first 0.0017 as collateral if needed.
Escrow profile Link: marcotheminer removed.
Bitcoin Address: 3GmZmYbZKLJ8TyR5mvFEUXwxvbffb1BEpD

I am interested. Send 0.0017BTC collateral to this address bc1qgt59jdkfz2uvt00nddrfheuzu4mcts5dhyer3m and confirm this 3GmZmYbZKLJ8TyR5mvFEUXwxvbffb1BEpD is address where I will send 0.0015BTC. Repayment address: bc1qgt59jdkfz2uvt00nddrfheuzu4mcts5dhyer3m

http://prntscr.com/pfndc6 Coins sent. Wait till confirmed then send at my adress, 3GmZmYbZKLJ8TyR5mvFEUXwxvbffb1BEpD .

OP updated, if someone still interested.

I'm confused:

Loan Amount: 0.0015BTC
Loan Repay Amount: 0.002BTC
i'll sent first 0.0017 as collateral if needed.

(quote shortened)

So basically you're back to this:

@DadyD you have 0.0017 BTC already, which you want to use as collateral to borrow 0.0015 BTC?  Why?

Give this up, learn from your mistakes, learn how this community works, and who knows, your negative Trust may be changed to neutral at some point.

I'm keeping up my point.

Loan Purpose: Invet

Just le me know. If i have eth worth 0.02 btc and i ask for a loan of 0.018 btc with collateral that amout of eth. WHY THIS ISNT STRANGE BUT MY REQUEST IT IS!? He cant just exchange his eth and doing his buisness? But you actualy aprove that exchange...

Thanks for your advice.