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Title: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: Welsh on October 08, 2019, 04:14:20 PM Regarding the up and coming 10th anniversary of the forum, and a lot of speculation whether anything special has been planned, and if anything has come to fruition with the production of the collectible coins idea (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5111005), and assuming they haven't I thought we could take on the philosophy of OgNasty's quote here: I have long wanted to put out a community coin designed by the community, for the community. And allow everyone to pitch in with ideas, and voting in hopes to move the Bitcointalk collectible coin proposal into a reality. Hopefully, with the end result being a community driven effort to show our appreciation to those that are rewarded the coins by theymos. Here are some of my thoughts, however feel free to pitch in with your own ideas, and poll suggestions Candidates to manufacture the coins Assuming they would be willing to manufacture the coins Casascius casascius (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2676) the man himself who started (https://www.casascius.com/) it all, and is probably the most renowned, and respected due to being the first person to have manufactured a collectible Bitcoin coin called casascius. A user at the forum since 2010, and has contributed to the forum separate from his collectible coins manufacturing. Plus, in my opinion it would be fitting to have one of the more prolific coin manufactures create the Bitcointalk 10th anniversary coin. However, casascius doesn't seem to be that active in the last few years he definitely still remains one of the most recognized within the Bitcoin collectible world. According to BPIP (https://bpip.org) stats Casascius is the 182nd most trusted user on the forum. smoothie smoothie (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=25960) known for their LEALANA (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1499278) coins. Has most recently worked with Monero coins, and has shown a decent production value. Being part of the forum since 2011, and arguably one of the most trusted users within the forums collectible scene, and has proven to be a productive user of the forum over the years. We probably wouldn't go far wrong with getting smoothie to manufacture the coins. smoothie being still somewhat active in the community is a plus. According to BPIP (https://bpip.org) stats smoothie is the 26th most trusted user on the forum. Kialara Kialara (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=364237) being one of the newer users considering they registered on the forum in 2014. However, I think its fair to say that their production, and design (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1776952.msg17724940#msg17724940) of coins is nothing to scoff at. Probably providing the most elegant designs on this list, as well as still being part of the community for a number of years. Kialara looks to be still active, and participating in the forum. According to BPIP (https://bpip.org) stats Kialara is the 75th most trusted user on the forum. External manufacturer who is not part of the forum We could potentially search for other manufacturers which haven't been part of the forum, however this could end up taking away from the magic of the coin. I liked the quote by OgNasty of making this a community coin, and honouring that I believe it would be better to get manufacturers who are directly part of the forum. *I think its worth giving one of these coins to the manufacturer of the coin as a thanks, and being part of the creation process. The design process Deciding on a design should in my opinion be done via the community if we would like to keep to the theme of a community created coin. Therefore, I would suggest holding a competition for anyone on the forum to enter on a dedicated thread. They would submit their designs for the coin, and their reward would be getting one of the coins themselves for designing it. This should prove to be incentive enough. The result could be determined by either theymos, a whole community vote, or only those that are to receive the coins. How many coins should be made and should they be funded? As proposed by theymos he suggested creating between 50, and 300 collectible coins. My suggestion would be to create separate groups, and rewarding them for different reasons if the budget allows. As well, as including both unfunded, and funded coins. For example, the first 10 coins could go to those which were absolutely vital to the development, and survival of the forum who have contributed so much that they deserve to be remembered. These first 10 coins could be funded with small/large amounts. The rest of the coins can be distributed unfunded, and to those that have had a remarkable impact on the forum, contributed greatly or been somewhat of a icon to the forum. The issue with funding coins is a license may need to be required depending on the legislation of the country the person funding them resides in. I believe Casascius ran into problems with FINCEN because they believed it to be transmitting money. Certificate and presentation? I believe a certificate presented with the physical Bitcointalk coin would add a personal touch. The certificate could state who it has been rewarded too, as well as thanking them for their efforts. These certificates could be customized, instead of customizing the actual coin for each user, and could save on costs without cutting back on the personal thank you, and meaning of receiving a Bitcointalk collectible coin. Presenting this in a box with the Bitcointalk identification on it or perhaps a logo of the collectible coin on the box could be a nice final touch. Distribution Costs Theymos hinted to the possibility of giving away these coins or the possibility of requiring users to pay for their coin to receive it. Manufacturing these coins as well as adding the possibility of further customization could rack up, and become very expensive quickly. The idea of allowing users to pay for their coins is a good ideal, and although I believe the vast majority of users would be more than willing to pay for such an item what happens to the coins which have been appointed to someone, and they don't want to pay? Distribution of the coins could then become problematic. Delivery and logistics Expanding on the point made in the costs section of this thread; The fact that users may not want to give their delivery address, might not have access to a PO box or might not even respond could become problematic. Therefore, the best option in my opinion would be messaging those that are to receive coins, and if they don't respond after a certain amount of time then the coin is distributed to someone else. If we were to create a public announcement of the users who are to receive coins, and possibly adding personalized certificates with each coin all users would have had to confirm they would like to receive a coin before this happens. Who gets the coins? We know the coins will have a limited supply which begs the question who should receive the coin, and what criteria must they fill? It is assumed the criteria will be determined by theymos However, Here's some example criteria: - Active user (to avoid coins not being claimed) - Iconic users of the forum (Users with a lot of history, and are known by the majority of the community) - Those who have contributed substantially to the forum (major development, major security bounties, and long serving staff members) - Using a formula such as BPIP's MAT (Most merited, activity, and most trusted) - Using a custom formula similar to BPIP's Title: Re: Bitcointalk Collectible Coin Ideas & Vote Post by: cabalism13 on October 08, 2019, 04:19:40 PM Submitted the First Vote:
300 Funded Coins Designed By A Certain Decision From A Competion and will be made by casascius to be distributed for the users that will avail them. Additional : Certificates for every User who availed the coin. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: AB de Royse777 on October 08, 2019, 04:28:48 PM I gone with,
300 coins: I think that will give me a chance to have one :-P Unfunded: Let it leave for the coin owner (if the forum fund it free then welcome LOL) With personalized certificate: May be someone can gift it to other's if they want. Generation to generation. Paid for via forum funds: Forum has a lot of money LOL Design chosen by community competition: Community is the power. PS: I did not read any of the contents you put in the OP (just in case you wanted to brainwash :-P ). So my picks were biased free :-D Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: Welsh on October 08, 2019, 04:33:39 PM The only issue I see with the community decided design would be the issue with multiple accounts voting for certain poll results which could skew the results (Just like this poll is also subject too). Whether, we allow community submitted results, and have a cut off where no more submissions can be submitted then vote on it. Ultimately, I feel like with the abuse of polls it could end up with theymos making a decision on it. Although, I feel the community submitted designs is definitely the way to go about this.
PS: I did not read any of the contents you put in the OP (just in case you wanted to brainwash :-P ). So my picks were biased free :-D I've actively tried to stay unbiased at least towards the beginning, but I think I've ultimately failed in that as it proved to be difficult. Unfortunately, as a result there are a few personal opinions mixed in there so I would encourage users to vote before reading unless they don't understand a certain option! I'll likely edit some of the things which could add bias into it. This isn't an official vote obviously, and polls can be abused, but hopefully will get the ball rolling if it hasn't already, and prove somewhat useful to theymos. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: Bttzed03 on October 08, 2019, 04:35:41 PM 300 coins of course! The more the merrier.
Design should also be decided by community voting. Too bad I wasn't able to pick the Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: Jet Cash on October 08, 2019, 04:36:35 PM I'm not sure that I would purchase a coin, but were I to be awarded one, then I would keep it, and not consider selling it. It could be used to promote Bitcoin Talk, and to make members of the financial communities aware of the forum.
Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: AB de Royse777 on October 08, 2019, 04:53:38 PM ~snip~ Come on bud! I was massing around :-PI've actively tried to stay unbiased at least towards the beginning, but I think I've ultimately failed in that as it proved to be difficult. Unfortunately, as a result there are a few personal opinions mixed in there so I would encourage users to vote before reading unless they don't understand a certain option! I'll likely edit some of the things which could add bias into it. This isn't an official vote obviously, and polls can be abused, but hopefully will get the ball rolling if it hasn't already, and prove somewhat useful to theymos. Please do not take it seriously. You have done a very good job. Honestly! :-) Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: CryptopreneurBrainboss on October 08, 2019, 05:53:26 PM More concerned about how the distribution will be processed since I'm from a region not much forum members will be interested in this to ship in bulk. Always wanted a collectible coin but considering the shipping procedures and other factors, I haven't showed much interested although I'm all in on this (submitted my vote). If there's a easy way to ship 1 coin down here to Africa (Nigeria), count me in.
Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: vlom on October 08, 2019, 06:26:30 PM a physical coin? rerally? i think that does not match at all.
Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on October 08, 2019, 07:09:53 PM I think there should be 100 coins made & handed out to the top 100, most recognised posters on the forum (see Vod’s website for the top 100 - https://bpip.org/report.aspx?r=mostrecognized)
It’d be cool if they were funded (paid for with forum funds) & the design chosen by theymos. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: LoyceMobile on October 08, 2019, 07:23:01 PM I chose Funded and Paid by forum funds. A man can dream!
I didn't select a certificate, but in retrospect it would be a very nice challenge to collect them all (personalized) if they're a giveaway for selected users: who's going to get one at 10 years, at 20 years, and will still be around at 30 years? Maybe a better challenge would be to fund the first coin only if the user still qualifies 10 years later. A certain value in Bitcoin now could be worth many times more by then. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: Welsh on October 08, 2019, 07:26:58 PM More concerned about how the distribution will be processed since I'm from a region not much forum members will be interested in this to ship in bulk. Always wanted a collectible coin but considering the shipping procedures and other factors, I haven't showed much interested although I'm all in on this (submitted my vote). If there's a easy way to ship 1 coin down here to Africa (Nigeria), count me in. Not sure what the restrictions would be on shipping I guess that's something theymos will have to look into. I'd hope that shipping expenses wouldn't be a factor of deciding who gets selected for the hounour. I think there should be 100 coins made & handed out to the top 100, most recognised posters on the forum (see Vod’s website for the top 100 - https://bpip.org/report.aspx?r=mostrecognized) There you go theymos you get one ;) It’d be cool if they were funded (paid for with forum funds) & the design chosen by theymos. I didn't select a certificate, but in retrospect it would be a very nice challenge to collect them all (personalized) if they're a giveaway for selected users: who's going to get one at 10 years, at 20 years, and will still be around at 30 years? Even if the collectible coin didn't come to fruition I'd love to at some point make a few unofficial certificates for users for their contributions to the forum or even Bitcoin. Sounds like it could be fun making those too. I chose Funded and Paid by forum funds. A man can dream! I'm assuming forum funds is what theymos was referring to when he suggested the possibility of not requiring users to pay for them. Maybe its from the staffs monthly payment ;) Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: LTU_btc on October 08, 2019, 07:28:08 PM For me it doesn't matters who will make these coins, but it must be our forum member. We celebrate anniversary of Bitcointalk, so IMO it doesn't makes sense to hire someone who isn't even part of our community.
I think that some biggest contributors of Bitcointalk should receive funded coin, they simply deserved it most. But who exactly will be these people - it will be subjective choice. All remaining coins should be available for sale and I definitely would be interested to get it. And offcourse, design should be chosen by community. Only problem here is delivery - lot of people here value privacy and may not want to reveal their address to get coin. So, in such case coin should be given to next person. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: Welsh on October 08, 2019, 07:33:14 PM For me it doesn't matters who will make these coins, but it must be our forum member. We celebrate anniversary of Bitcointalk, so IMO it doesn't makes sense to hire someone who isn't even part of our community. Yeah, I'm absolutely for the idea of using someone who is within the community. That way there's a little more community vibe, and love put into it rather than just some random cooperation. Honestly, if I could pick a poorly made coin (not implying the ones listed are poor) by someone from the forum, and an amazingly designed coin from someone external I'd pick the crappy one every time. I think that some biggest contributors of Bitcointalk should receive funded coin, they simply deserved it most. But who exactly will be these people - it will be subjective choice. All remaining coins should be available for sale and I definitely would be interested to get it. And offcourse, design should be chosen by community. I considered making a list of some of the users who have made some noteworthy contributions to the forum in the past. However, thought that would be a little too much bias. I'm going to leave theymos with that decision, unless he asks for nominees. Only problem here is delivery - lot of people here value privacy and may not want to reveal their address to get coin. So, in such case coin should be given to next person. With all the issues with delivery, selecting users, and getting the coin made this will likely go beyond the anniversary, but that doesn't stop us from beginning production on Bitcointalk.org's 10th anniversary. Although, there hasn't been any word from theymos on a special even for the anniversary theymos doesn't strike me as someone who wouldn't do something for that landmark. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: LoyceMobile on October 08, 2019, 07:42:25 PM Although, there hasn't been any word from theymos on a special even for the anniversary theymos doesn't strike me as someone who wouldn't do something for that landmark. Theymos just posted this:I decided that I won't have time to see through the creation of a coin myself. If one or more other people want to create collectibles, I can advertise them into the 10-year-anniversary topic which I will eventually create. And if there's a really good product, I would be willing to partially subsidize the cost of them for the top n forum members, or something in that general vein. But I decided that there'd be far too many things to figure out from scratch with an official forum giveaway (eg. creating the design, getting the coins made, delivering items, safely/privately sharing data with various new service providers, debating exact giveaway conditions, etc.), so if anything is going to be done here, it'll have to be done independently. Sorry if I got people's hopes up. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: Welsh on October 08, 2019, 07:48:41 PM Theymos just posted this: Hopefully, there's something else planned as a little celebration. I might as well lock this thread, unless we can rally together, and make this happen? I'd probably be willing to put some money into this to get this going. Although, it never has the same appeal as an unofficial coin. I decided that I won't have time to see through the creation of a coin myself. If one or more other people want to create collectibles, I can advertise them into the 10-year-anniversary topic which I will eventually create. And if there's a really good product, I would be willing to partially subsidize the cost of them for the top n forum members, or something in that general vein. But I decided that there'd be far too many things to figure out from scratch with an official forum giveaway (eg. creating the design, getting the coins made, delivering items, safely/privately sharing data with various new service providers, debating exact giveaway conditions, etc.), so if anything is going to be done here, it'll have to be done independently. Sorry if I got people's hopes up. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: NeuroticFish on October 08, 2019, 07:55:31 PM I choose unfunded, this way it's much cheaper and maybe more people (maybe me too?) can get one.
The ones who want it funded, they really can also buy it (!), since here we discuss about something nice, not free money. A good presentation, on the other hand, is a must. It is a collectible after all. On the rules, I'd also remove the inactives. I mean, OK, most recognized accounts, but if one was not active for months.. he will not need it. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: theymos on October 08, 2019, 08:04:06 PM Hopefully, there's something else planned as a little celebration. I might as well lock this thread, unless we can rally together, and make this happen? I'd probably be willing to put some money into this to get this going. Although, it never has the same appeal as an unofficial coin. It is a really cool idea, but it's just too big of a project for a one-time thing. In many ways it's like setting up a new merchandising business from scratch. If people want to get this done, I think you should do it by partnering with a business that already has a web storefront, BTC payment, delivery, etc. set up. At the end, once things are ready to ship, I'd be willing to "bless" some particular product as "official", if it's good. And I could also work with them to give out 100 50%-off coupon codes to worthy forum users as well, or something. (Coupon codes would also have privacy benefits, since there'd be no link on either end between forum users and shipping info.) But I am going to spend zero time on this until/unless it's basically already done, so it'll have to be a community-led effort. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: Harlot on October 08, 2019, 08:58:22 PM 300 Coins/ Personalized Certificates (Or just even a COA)/ Paid by the User.
I like the idea that the user will be the one to pay such BCT Coin as this will be the first step of good faith in obtaining such Anniversary Coin from BCT, I think aside from the qualifications on who can own it this will just be an added step of not being a bogus owner. Aside from that I would like the idea of each members having a personalized coin with engravings of their name's attach from the coin aside from making it look cool for the owner this will prevent potential reselling happening for the coin. I know this is too much of an ask but I think it would really be cool as an owner having their names part of the coin. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: Welsh on October 08, 2019, 09:15:02 PM I'm going to contact some of the manufacturers on the forum. I'm absolutely adamant that this should stay within the community, and be manufactured by someone on the forum with a little bit of history. I definitely don't have the pulling power that theymos has that's for sure, but I'll see if I can make this project feasible. I'd love for something like this to happen, and I'm not prepared to wait for the 20th anniversary ;)
Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on October 08, 2019, 09:16:44 PM I'm going to contact some of the manufacturers on the forum. I'm absolutely adamant that this should stay within the community, and be manufactured by someone on the forum with a little bit of history. I definitely don't have the pulling power that theymos has that's for sure, but I'll see if I can make this project feasible. I'd love for something like this to happen, and I'm not prepared to wait for the 20th anniversary ;) Good luck Welsh, would really be something if you manage to do this (seemingly with no help from theymos). Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: Coyster on October 08, 2019, 09:33:28 PM Good luck Welsh, would really be something if you manage to do this (seemingly with no help from theymos). Theymos has given his support, and told us reasons why he would not be putting in effort in this one, and really he has a lot to handle already on the forum.If the community can pull through with this, with the special efforts of a few, I think it'll be amazing and theymos would be proud. We are also here to help the community grow, and our collective efforts come in handy just as Theymos'. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: AverageGlabella on October 08, 2019, 10:07:07 PM This would be awesome! I have selected 100 coins to make them unique and something to be collected. I really like the designs by Kialara so have voted for them meaning that this will be a community project I think unfunded coins is more realistic. I have selected paid by user but think a crowd funding would be better than selling them. If there is enough people to crowdfund this of course.
@Welsh maybe get the community to crowdfund the coins and those that have helped crowdfund would get a coin themselves that might give a incentive for getting this done. You could sell these with the permission of theymos. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: Welsh on October 08, 2019, 10:13:48 PM Theymos has given his support, and told us reasons why he would not be putting in effort in this one, and really he has a lot to handle already on the forum. And if anyone wants to make this project reality don't hesitate to get in contact with me. I've already contacted the main 3 manufacturers listed on this thread, but have also asked for some help off the more prominent users in the collectible section to suggest alternatives. I'm not expecting a reply from a few of them due to inactivity, and not all of them if any will be interested in making custom coins. I'm really hoping I find someone on the forum to do this rather than an external manufacturer, and it seems the votes agree with that view. If the community can pull through with this, with the special efforts of a few, I think it'll be amazing and theymos would be proud. We are also here to help the community grow, and our collective efforts come in handy just as Theymos'. @Welsh maybe get the community to crowdfund the coins and those that have helped crowdfund would get a coin themselves that might give a incentive for getting this done. You could sell these with the permission of theymos. I don't really want to publicly state that this is going to happen for obvious reasons. I'm testing the waters to see how viable for little old Welsh this would be. Ideally, I'd like to stick to the communities wishes for these coins, and if possible require no investment, but that would likely require negotiating a killer deal with the manufacturer. Crowdfunding could be a option, but I'd rather avoid selling these coins. At the moment the vote is winning for "paid for by forum funds" which I guess now translates to Welsh's funds. :PThe issue with crowdfunding is that users will expect a coin, and I'm not sure whether that fits the criteria of receiving a coin. Its almost buying the collectible coin where the idea of this is to reward users who have made substantial contributions to the forum. I'm not sure how many users would be willing to crowdfund if there was no guarantee of getting a coin sent to them, and that sort of bias is something I'd like to avoid. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: TheBeardedBaby on October 08, 2019, 10:39:58 PM I would love to see some Legendary set of coins with holograms of avatars of some of the oldest accounts.
Like a bitcointalk history set. I had an idea to make a set of plaing cards with some of the established members' avatars, but again lack or time is what stopped me. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: jackg on October 08, 2019, 10:40:35 PM And if anyone wants to make this project reality don't hesitate to get in contact with me. I've already contacted the main 3 manufacturers listed on this thread, but have also asked for some help off the more prominent users in the collectible section to suggest alternatives. I'm not expecting a reply from a few of them due to inactivity, and not all of them if any will be interested in making custom coins. I'm really hoping I find someone on the forum to do this rather than an external manufacturer, and it seems the votes agree with that view. Denarium might be a good person to contact. They seem pretty active and the have a contact link on their site (I'm happy to do this if you don't want to). Funded coins are definitely better than ones that aren't and a supply of 300 to 1000 is probably best also. Not sure if this has been mentioned but I was thinking that a bitcointalk plaque could be made (at an expense of say $200) out of brass or pewter and given to a user for a certain number of merits (like the YouTube plaques) when we more commonly see people with 10000 merit it would be quite a nice way to go I think. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: Welsh on October 08, 2019, 10:41:53 PM I would love to see some Legendary set of coins with holograms of avatars of some of the oldest accounts. Don't make me pinch this idea too ;) I'd probably buy a set if someone did this. Like a bitcointalk history set. I had an idea to make a set of plaing cards with some of the established members' avatars, but again lack or time is what stopped me. Honestly, if this project is feasible I don't think I want to pick the users who get it. I might request theymos to actually do that. After all, he's the one that's had more personal exchanges in the background. Denarium might be a good person to contact. They seem pretty active and the have a contact link on their site (I'm happy to do this if you don't want to). Noted, thanks for that. I'll see if they would be interested in a project like this. The 3 listed in the OP would likely be my first choices as long as we can strike a good deal, but I have a feeling I'll need some backups. Not sure if this has been mentioned but I was thinking that a bitcointalk plaque could be made (at an expense of say $200) out of brass or pewter and given to a user for a certain number of merits (like the YouTube plaques) when we more commonly see people with 10000 merit it would be quite a nice way to go I think. That's actually a neat idea. Again, it doesn't really mean anything if it hasn't got the stamp of approval from theymos to be official. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: MoparMiningLLC on October 08, 2019, 10:42:09 PM I would like to see as many as possible (so I have a chance of getting one!) I am fine with any of the artists - have seen coins from all of them and they all do great jobs. I like the idea of funded ones but would buy one unfunded as well.
Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: TheBeardedBaby on October 08, 2019, 10:52:31 PM I would love to see some Legendary set of coins with holograms of avatars of some of the oldest accounts. Don't make me pinch this idea too ;) I'd probably buy a set if someone did this. Like a bitcointalk history set. I had an idea to make a set of plaing cards with some of the established members' avatars, but again lack or time is what stopped me. Just think about it, poker's set with hystory figures like Hal, Satoshi, theymos, sirius.. A full set of current legendaries. The set of scammers, magicaltux, tf, mt.gox etc. Oh I have soo many ideas, bitcointalk ties... I have to stop :) Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: gentlemand on October 08, 2019, 11:36:00 PM Casascius would be amazing and my choice but I can't imagine he'd want anything to do with anything funded or even anything that had the possibility of being funded.
I also reckon many people will go weird about opsec even with PO boxes and stuff. If users were to pay for them I'd only run it on a pre sale basis as lots of people get enthusiastic at the time and then bugger off if there's actual money required. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: Welsh on October 08, 2019, 11:43:11 PM Casascius just carries a good name inside the Bitcoin collectibles market, and definitely has had more exposure than most other manufacturers. Plus, has already contributed with historic pieces in the past. I've contacted him on the off chance that he would be interested. I know that Casascius wouldn't be interested in funded coins since he ceased making these back in 2013?
However, due to the recent news these likely won't be funded, at least without requiring the user to pay for it. If users were to pay for them I'd only run it on a pre sale basis as lots of people get enthusiastic at the time and then bugger off if there's actual money required. Ideally, that would be the plan if it did require users to pay. I feel like we'd miss out on a lot of important users of the forum which I think deserve something like this due to the payment though. It just feels weird to go up to someone, and be like "Hey, you are eligible for this, but you have to pay" Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: gentlemand on October 08, 2019, 11:51:49 PM I've contacted him on the off chance that he would be interested. I know that Casascius wouldn't be interested in funded coins since he ceased making these back in 2013? He released the Bitcoin Bowl commemorative coin out of the blue in late 2014 a year after he shut himself down when Fincen got heavy so he has at least done it once. It would be a coup to get him back in action. I feel like we'd miss out on a lot of important users of the forum which I think deserve something like this due to the payment though. It just feels weird to go up to someone, and be like "Hey, you are eligible for this, but you have to pay" There is a little bit of a precedent for this. NEM planned to give silver coins to its original stakeholders. It was decided to do it when the price got high enough and funds were put aside to pay for it all. There was so much squabbling about design, how to post them and who would make them that it kind of slipped away and went quiet. The funds haven't moved to this day and no one knows what to do with them so it's become a full on millstone. I would advocate decisiveness. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: NeuroticFish on October 09, 2019, 05:55:43 AM I would advocate decisiveness. Yup, the "how" part is almost cosmetic. If anything is to be done, the ones that can, should act. Tick-tack... Maybe a design "fair" would be a first step? Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: hacker1001101001 on October 09, 2019, 06:49:57 AM I would go with Design chosen by theymos as of course he should get the privileges of choice, due to the blockbuster moderation of the forum he is doing from years !
Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: DobZombie on October 09, 2019, 07:38:24 AM Who gets the coins? I vote that anyone that has made a collectable should have to opportunity to buy one. Like me ;D Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: JanEmil on October 09, 2019, 07:54:55 AM bitcoinpenny.com
300 silver - paid by user. MAX 1 each. Coins not sold will not be minted. 1 gold - funded by silver coin buyers. And FREE raffle between all silver buyers. Design chosen by community competition edit Unfunded edit 2: Why? - because then it will be done. They can do it and they can handle it. How? - the design should be 2-3 designs with inspiration from the suggestions on forum. And we vote a week for the winner design. Could probably happen this year if we act fast. edit 3: Distribution, payment etc by minerjones. Because he is the man to do it. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: Anduck on October 09, 2019, 08:09:56 AM I just want to say that the coins should IMO be funded. It's Bitcoin! What sense does it make to not include any bitcoins on an item when it would be possible?
Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: JanEmil on October 09, 2019, 08:24:41 AM I just want to say that the coins should IMO be funded. It's Bitcoin! What sense does it make to not include any bitcoins on an item when it would be possible? Clearly the most interesting. But never think it will be made then. Legal issues, arguing about privatkeys, arguing about load value will probably end with notting. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: mindrust on October 09, 2019, 08:31:01 AM Non-funded, to prevent any fuckups no matter how trusted the designer is.
Community poll for the design, democracy is most of the time is a good idea 300 coins, let's make more people happy Personal certificate, feeling like a special snowflake feels good Paid by, forum funds would be good but i can pay myself too. I ticked both Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: tvplus006 on October 09, 2019, 08:52:39 AM If the coin is not made of valuable metal, then its value should be several tens of cents. The larger the circulation of the issue, the lower its cost. Therefore, everyone can buy it at cost.
Providing your data for sending will be similar to going through KYC. But I’m ready to sacrifice my anonymity in exchange for a jubilee coin) Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: tranthidung on October 09, 2019, 09:26:40 AM In my opinion, I think 300 collectible coins in total are enough. Let's me explain why I choose that figure.
(1) 50 or 100 coins are very limited, and the forum has so many prominent users as well as staffs. The limitation on 50 or 100 will prevent good users to get them. If we look at BPIP, most merited profile page, most of users in top 50 or even in top 100 are very prominent users. There are very little new users get spots in top-50 or top-100. (2) 300 will give opportunities to good users, who have been here long enough to have significant contributions, but neighther have had long history enough nor significant contributions to be competitive compared to extremely prominent users and staffs. (3) Such collectible coins (if new users can get) will play as good proof of motivation, and newbies will be inspired from it. Newbies are sources of future growth of the forum. Let's give them motivation. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: johhnyUA on October 09, 2019, 10:09:40 AM My vote:
300 funded coins. And even they will be distributed to active forum members I think it's would be fair that coins will be paid by user. And I don't know why forum should give perconalized certificate, with shipping data it's a good way to deanon someone :0 Other questions it's not important to much for me. I would love to see some Legendary set of coins with holograms of avatars of some of the oldest accounts. Like a bitcointalk history set. I had an idea to make a set of plaing cards with some of the established members' avatars, but again lack or time is what stopped me. I doubt it's good idea, for honest. Most really famous users don't have avatars (LZ, gmaxwell, satoshi and others) and pepople who have them mostly well known in english board. Not even in all boards. So, if you don't want to get (for example) coin with my avatar and think something like "Who the fuck is this" then it's not a good idea for sure. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: ChiBitCTy on October 09, 2019, 10:30:50 AM I definitely love the idea of a forum coin. Back when Satori was still making chips/coins, Hhampuz who had done several group buys for the collectibles board/community had been in touch with them about producing a custom chip/coin for the community. Unfortunately right as we started to get serious about making it happen, Satori closed shop. However we came up with some ideas for it that I think could be applied here..such as having a design competition.
I would absolutely love it if Casascius, Smoothie (Lealana), or Kialara would be interested in taking on this project, however I can tell you the likelihood of that happening is slim to none. I think having either an active maker or someone who’s willing to take on the project (with a strong background in crypto coins or coins in general) as well as winning a design competition would be a cool and fair way to chose whom is to make the coin. As for whether the coin is loaded or not..I would highly recommend we try and make it a loaded piece. There are ways around producing and selling a loaded coin in which you’re not breaking any laws or acting as a money transaction service without a license (breaking FinCEN regulation like what Casascius ran in to). I voted for 300 coins. I know there’s likely 100 of us in the collectibles sub who’d want a coin, and it would sure be a shame if the hardcore collectors like us would not get a chance at grabbing one. If the forum paid for it that would obviously be amazing. I wouldn’t mind paying for a coin however ( plus this might be more feasible ??? ). If we do end up running a competition I’d like to throw my hat in the ring..however I’d much prefer if Casacius, Lealana or Kialara took the reigns, but again, HIGHLY unlikely imo. Thanks for bringing this to life! Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: yogg on October 09, 2019, 12:28:16 PM I'm watching this thread with interest.
We, at Coldkey (https://www.coldkey.eu), will definitely make something for the community that we cherish the most. Unfortunately, it will not be in the form of a coin. But still, much collectible and very dedicated to the anniversary of Bitcointalk. 10 years should be commemorated ! It's a huge milestone. :) We already have our plan and roadmap for this particular release. If there are some tweaks that come up here and that we haven't thought of, we will be happy to enhance our offer further on. :) Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: Welsh on October 09, 2019, 03:02:36 PM In my opinion, I think 300 collectible coins in total are enough. Let's me explain why I choose that figure. Looking at the poll result no one wants it as limited as 50 coins, and I can understand that. Although, about the idea with newbies earning these coins I don't think that's what purpose these coins are suppose to represent. I think the plaque idea of earned merit could be more suitable for that. (1) 50 or 100 coins are very limited, and the forum has so many prominent users as well as staffs. The limitation on 50 or 100 will prevent good users to get them. If we look at BPIP, most merited profile page, most of users in top 50 or even in top 100 are very prominent users. There are very little new users get spots in top-50 or top-100. (2) 300 will give opportunities to good users, who have been here long enough to have significant contributions, but neighther have had long history enough nor significant contributions to be competitive compared to extremely prominent users and staffs. (3) Such collectible coins (if new users can get) will play as good proof of motivation, and newbies will be inspired from it. And limit of 300?? there are thousands of forum members...... They're meant to be rewarded to users who have contributed greatly to the forum while also going to active users. Therefore, it would seem unfair to give these to users who are just established etc. I feel anyone who has contributed greatly to the forum or who is an historical figure on the forum should get a coin. And I don't know why forum should give perconalized certificate, with shipping data it's a good way to deanon someone :0 Other questions it's not important to much for me. If I can find a manufacturer which is willing to ship the products direct at least I won't have to deal with shipping issues. Ideally, I don't want to be handling the delivery information or the process. Personal certificates would likely be appointed to usernames rather than names though. Upon receiving their items users could then show off their items without exposing their identity.I think this is the biggest issue considering the nature of Bitcoin, and I feel like a lot of prominent users on the forum won't want to give out their information, and then the whole project falls flat on its face as our 1st, 2nd, 3rd choices of users might not want the coins, because of the mentioned issues. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: MoparMiningLLC on October 09, 2019, 04:00:26 PM In my opinion, I think 300 collectible coins in total are enough. Let's me explain why I choose that figure. Looking at the poll result no one wants it as limited as 50 coins, and I can understand that. Although, about the idea with newbies earning these coins I don't think that's what purpose these coins are suppose to represent. I think the plaque idea of earned merit could be more suitable for that. (1) 50 or 100 coins are very limited, and the forum has so many prominent users as well as staffs. The limitation on 50 or 100 will prevent good users to get them. If we look at BPIP, most merited profile page, most of users in top 50 or even in top 100 are very prominent users. There are very little new users get spots in top-50 or top-100. (2) 300 will give opportunities to good users, who have been here long enough to have significant contributions, but neighther have had long history enough nor significant contributions to be competitive compared to extremely prominent users and staffs. (3) Such collectible coins (if new users can get) will play as good proof of motivation, and newbies will be inspired from it. And limit of 300?? there are thousands of forum members...... They're meant to be rewarded to users who have contributed greatly to the forum while also going to active users. Therefore, it would seem unfair to give these to users who are just established etc. I feel anyone who has contributed greatly to the forum or who is an historical figure on the forum should get a coin. And I don't know why forum should give perconalized certificate, with shipping data it's a good way to deanon someone :0 Other questions it's not important to much for me. If I can find a manufacturer which is willing to ship the products direct at least I won't have to deal with shipping issues. Ideally, I don't want to be handling the delivery information or the process. Personal certificates would likely be appointed to usernames rather than names though. Upon receiving their items users could then show off their items without exposing their identity.I think this is the biggest issue considering the nature of Bitcoin, and I feel like a lot of prominent users on the forum won't want to give out their information, and then the whole project falls flat on its face as our 1st, 2nd, 3rd choices of users might not want the coins, because of the mentioned issues. well from reading the above, this pretty much rules out anyone that has joined in the past few years as I get the feeling those of us that have been around since 2017/2018 are not to be considered as being able to get one of these. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on October 09, 2019, 04:19:28 PM They're meant to be rewarded to users who have contributed greatly to the forum while also going to active users. Therefore, it would seem unfair to give these to users who are just established etc. I feel anyone who has contributed greatly to the forum or who is an historical figure on the forum should get a coin. I don't think I'm anywhere near a historical figure on the forum, but I am active and if by any chance I was in the running to receive a coin, I would be grateful forever. Bitcointalk means a lot to me, as do things like the Zepher coin and the silver skull I bought that he owned, and the bitcoin pennies I got from minerjones. I'd even be more than willing to pay for a coin if the price was reasonable (I don't have a lot of discretionary income right now).As far as who should manufacture such a thing, I have to tap out on that debate. The Collectibles section gurus know a hell of a lot more about who would make a quality coin than I would. I do have faith that if these ever get minted, they'll be well-done and choice collectibles for those who are passionate about the forum. I like the idea of funded ones but would buy one unfunded as well. I certainly would like to see them funded, and if I were to get one I'd pay for the funding, again depending on the amount. And if they were to be unfunded I'd be completely cool with that as well.Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: LUCKMCFLY on October 09, 2019, 04:29:17 PM I think that to give opportunity for those new members who do not have much history in the forum, and want to obtain currency, a Merit Contest can be established, where a low percentage of coins is given as awards, this would put in context that they can actually demonstrate quality and deserve the currency, being an incentive for them, in this way the whole forum would have participation in general and would avoid claims in the future.
Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: gentlemand on October 09, 2019, 08:05:38 PM I don't think I'm anywhere near a historical figure on the forum, but I am active and if by any chance I was in the running to receive a coin, I would be grateful forever. Quite a few of the truly legendary figures have disappeared or gone mad. It would be quite the grind to decide who's in and who's out. I myself have contributed nothing to Bitcoin itself other than a bunch of knob gags and spending too much of it. I've been around for a long time. That doesn't make me of any use to anyone. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: tranthidung on October 10, 2019, 08:55:04 AM Although, about the idea with newbies earning these coins I don't think that's what purpose these coins are suppose to represent. I think the plaque idea of earned merit could be more suitable for that. I did not mean about real newbies who are at newbie rank. I consider myself as a newbie compare to older users. Newbies in my post above are users who stay at high ranks, maybe from Senior member and above ranks, and have good contributions that partially shown via their earned merits. They have long period in the forum, long enough to see how they contributed over years (around 2 years, like me, is long enough).Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: yogg on October 10, 2019, 09:20:51 AM Thank you everyone for the ideas that are emitted here.
Still working on this, but shall be released soon. (This week) I certainly would like to see them funded, and if I were to get one I'd pay for the funding, again depending on the amount. And if they were to be unfunded I'd be completely cool with that as well. There can be both versions, the only thing that would change is the denomination on the item. What denomination would be suitable in your opinion ? 0.001337BTC ? ;D I think this is the biggest issue considering the nature of Bitcoin, and I feel like a lot of prominent users on the forum won't want to give out their information, and then the whole project falls flat on its face as our 1st, 2nd, 3rd choices of users might not want the coins, because of the mentioned issues. True that, this is a concern. Hence this is why we are now using a fully automated shop on our website to handle the sales. Doing so, there is no identity that is linked to some specific bitcointalk profile. (if you use basic OP sec, like "not have your username in your email address", etc..) I think that this release should not be limited in quantity, but in availability, time-wise. We want the most users to be able to grab one and spread the party and the event. :) We will make it less expensive than our current products line, but our prices are already in the low category and we cannot really go much lower. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: hugeblack on October 10, 2019, 11:08:18 AM What do you think of some ideas that resemble YouTube shields that give some users a counterpart for their participation in the forum.
Shields consist of several shapes of silver, gold, and diamond so with a private key containing some coins. The prize is worth 10 Bitcoin. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: cabalism13 on October 10, 2019, 01:55:27 PM Thank you everyone for the ideas that are emitted here. I was curious, are we really going to go for 'paid by users' per coin? If yes, how much would it cost? Does it includes the shipment fees? Or are we gonna pay for it also? (P. S. I don't mind paying, but just want to know how much would be the cost) Still working on this, but shall be released soon. (This week) Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: actmyname on October 10, 2019, 06:22:30 PM I think this is the biggest issue considering the nature of Bitcoin, and I feel like a lot of prominent users on the forum won't want to give out their information, and then the whole project falls flat on its face as our 1st, 2nd, 3rd choices of users might not want the coins, because of the mentioned issues. I had previously talked to some users about the logistics of this... If post offices started using GPG then we could essentially have a shipper to receiver end-to-end encrypted passage.Quite a few of the truly legendary figures have disappeared or gone mad. It would be quite the grind to decide who's in and who's out. I myself have contributed nothing to Bitcoin itself other than a bunch of knob gags and spending too much of it. Right... age != contribution especially when you look back at the still-spamming account farmers.Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: Thekool1s on October 10, 2019, 07:53:38 PM Quote Community poll for the design, democracy is most of the time is a good idea More like mob rule! Or are we going to elect the "Puppets" who will vote on our behalf? :P Speaking of democracy, why limit it at all? We should open up a shop and let everyone buy one for a limited period of time :P I will be damn pissed if I don't get 1 even tho I haven't contributed shit to the forum... Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: Welsh on October 10, 2019, 09:50:08 PM I've had one manufacturer out of all of those contacted state that they'll get back to me. I'm presuming they'll take this back to the office, and decide whether they can fit it along with some of their other projects. Hopefully, they come back to me with some good news, and we can then discuss it a little more specifically. For me, its a great project to be involved in, and should appeal to manufacturers if not for being part of Bitcoin, and Bitcointalk history, but the marketing benefits that come associated with that.
Also, from a manufactures point of view these coins are a guaranteed sale, and therefore profit to them. We'll be able to find 300 users willing to pay for the coins if we take a look at the votes, and if they can give us a good price potentially covered by a crowdfund sort of situation between a few users passionate about Bitcointalk.org Right... age != contribution especially when you look back at the still-spamming account farmers. I assure you being an old user, and that fact alone isn't going to net you one of these coins if this project does become a reality. I had previously talked to some users about the logistics of this... If post offices started using GPG then we could essentially have a shipper to receiver end-to-end encrypted passage. That's an interesting idea not only for a project like this, but in general. More like mob rule! Or are we going to elect the "Puppets" who will vote on our behalf? :P Speaking of democracy, why limit it at all? We should open up a shop and let everyone buy one for a limited period of time :P I will be damn pissed if I don't get 1 even tho I haven't contributed shit to the forum... Trying to stick to what the community wants, and what theymos would be likely to put the official name on it if it was deemed good enough is fairly difficult. This is also partly the reason why I don't want to be the one picking the users to get coins. I'm trying to think of a unbiased way of going about that. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: transvestite lamb on October 10, 2019, 11:17:56 PM What denomination would be suitable in your opinion ? 0.001337BTC ? ;D 0.0042069 Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: teeGUMES on October 10, 2019, 11:24:24 PM Funded by an address known and owned by theymos/bitcointalk forum would be fairly meaningful.
Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: gentlemand on October 11, 2019, 12:02:36 AM Funded by an address known and owned by theymos/bitcointalk forum would be fairly meaningful. Pah. It's got to be funded from the Genesis block or nothing. I don't care if that block is unspendable. They'll just have to unstick it. And nominated descendants should be guaranteed dust from the very final block ever mined in 2140. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: Vod on October 11, 2019, 04:29:34 AM Let me know if you need any statistical help (https://bpip.org) deciding who gets their coins subsidized! ;D
Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: pugman on October 11, 2019, 12:31:29 PM I reeeeallly love this idea and everything behind this, but like have a few suggesh:
- 300 users are kinda a little too less, anyone who has received idk like 100-200 merits should have a chance to grab one of these coins if they were to be available. 500 should be kinda justified. - Doesn't matter if the collectible is funded or not, it still would be a pretty cool thing to own, it could be worth millions one day you never know. - The coin should have a satoshi quote on its edge, that'd be one of a kind for sure, and a signature of some kind by theymos. There should also be a logo on one side of a coin like a no bank symbol and the classic bitcoin logo on the other. That would be pretty fucking cool. - Point is, if this coin is to ever be a real thing, make it rare, make all of it a worthy process overall, and just make it count. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: ChiBitCTy on October 11, 2019, 03:41:41 PM Welsh- I have an idea I want to run by you that I think the community would absolutely love. Something very very unique. I had been planning on using this idea for my own coin, but have been a bit too busy to bring it to life, plus it's a bit of an expensive project ( wouldn't be bad at all w/300 coins or more however..even if it's less than 300 it's not too bad). Regardless of who makes the coin, I think implementing this idea would work for everyone. I don't want to share the idea publicly quite yet, but I really think everyone would absolutely love it! I'll reach out to you soon to see what you think.
Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: actmyname on October 11, 2019, 05:22:44 PM CoA, yes.
Just don't make the design look like those 1-cent "physical bitcoin" stock photos. Keep it user-funded or just unfunded. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: gentlemand on October 11, 2019, 05:34:02 PM I reeeeallly love this idea and everything behind this, but like have a few suggesh: - 300 users are kinda a little too less, anyone who has received idk like 100-200 merits should have a chance to grab one of these coins if they were to be available. 500 should be kinda justified. It's not really that epic an achievement to get that many merits and you can manage it without being a particularly stunning or established member. I think it would be better kept for the proper OGs. There'll always have to be a cut off somewhere and opening it up to people who might have only been here for a year or less doesn't make much sense. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: Welsh on October 11, 2019, 06:05:10 PM - Point is, if this coin is to ever be a real thing, make it rare, make all of it a worthy process overall, and just make it count. If I can make this work then I'd be more than willing to organize other significant dates such as 20th anniversary. This could be an ongoing thing, and therefore an encouragement to the newer users who might not be eligible yet. - The coin should have a satoshi quote on its edge, that'd be one of a kind for sure, and a signature of some kind by theymos. There should also be a logo on one side of a coin like a no bank symbol and the classic bitcoin logo on the other. That would be pretty fucking cool. The satoshi quote idea is a good one, and hopefully if it comes to the community designing it some users will keep that in mind. I've just got to find a manufacturer which is open to the idea. Unfortunately, I don't have the pulling power of theymos to begin with, and the fact that its starting off as an unofficial project I feel has been an issue, because the only criteria I can give to them is if its good enough theymos might bless it as official. I've already come to terms with the fact that this isn't going to be readily available for the anniversary, but if we can get it announced, and development started that's something. I've had some users come to me with some good ideas, and some with a little advice. All I need is to find a manufacturer which has the same passion for the forum as myself, and other users who care for the community. Also, I think its worth mentioning that I'm not just going to go with someone just because they are up for it. I want quality, and I want to incorporate as much as the communities input into the coin as possible, and the right person for this will support that. I wished I opened this thread a little after theymos' initial idea proposal. According to BPIP Bitcointalk.org currently has 132,815 users which are active (logged in within 3 months). Over half of them probably fall into these groups: Registered this year, red trust, bounty hunters, lurkers, and non English users. Although, ideally I don't want to limit this to those who speak only English so it might be worth contacting moderators of the local section to see if there's anyone eligible. Apart from that most of the users will not be eligible for this coin. We want this coin to be something which is sought after, and to reward the highest contributing users as well as some historic users of the forum. I feel like 500 coins would probably be the sweet point in terms of not too rare, and not just handing them out. Although, I haven't done enough research yet to see how many users would be eligible compared to my criteria. Manufacturers might be more willing to make higher quantity coins obviously too. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: yogg on October 11, 2019, 08:39:51 PM Thank you everyone for the ideas that are emitted here. I was curious, are we really going to go for 'paid by users' per coin? If yes, how much would it cost? Does it includes the shipment fees? Or are we gonna pay for it also? (P. S. I don't mind paying, but just want to know how much would be the cost) Still working on this, but shall be released soon. (This week) I dont know. We cannot make it basicaly free for everyone. Maybe if our offer pleases Theymos and he supports what we did, we will be able to create some "coupon" code that will apply a discount for some users on our shop. Free shipping can be considered, but without tracking. The tracked shipping will be available as our regular option. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: Veleor on October 12, 2019, 07:56:15 AM The principles of Bitcoin must be respected in allocation of collectible coins: equity, effectiveness and anonymity.
Bitcoin is a digital currency that has to replace fiat money, so anniversary coin must also be digital, in my opinion, and every active valuable member of the forum should have the opportunity to get a collectible coin. https://i.imgur.com/AHXleAx.jpg Image source (https://www.vecteezy.com/vector-art/550028-bitcoin-digital-currency-with-circuit-abstract-vector-background-for-technology-business-and-online-marketing) Bitcointalk forum might award valuable members by sending them a jubilee digital coin to the BTC addresses indicated in their profiles, when they will reach a certain amount of Activity and Merit. For every earned 1000 Activity and 1000 Merit, forum users could get for instance 0.22112009 BTC, symbolizing the date of Satoshi Nakamoto's greeting message on the forum https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5.0 Examples: 1. User A has reached 1000 Activity and 1000 earned Merit, then the Bitcoin wallet, indicated in user's profile, will be credited with 0.22112009 BTC by the forum. 2. User B has reached 2000 Activity and 2000 earned Merit, then this member will also could get 0.22112009 BTC. After receiving each jubilee digital coin, a certain notes could be added to users profiles also. I see the following positive points of such idea:
Thus, collectible coins will not be allocated among a handful of "chosen forum people", but all valuable members will have the opportunity to fairly earn a digital anniversary Bitcoin if they will be taking an active part in the life of the community. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: Steamtyme on October 12, 2019, 10:04:39 AM For every earned 1000 Activity and 1000 Merit, forum users could get for instance 0.22112009 BTC, symbolizing the date of Satoshi Nakamoto's greeting message on the forum https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5.0 Do you mean that this would be an ongoing reward, as opposed to a 1 time thing on the 10th anniversary? It would be extremely limited as I believe only 41 people currently have the merit requirement for that, and I didn't check but then it's down around 30 or so that meet the activity requirement. It just wouldn't seem very inclusive all around.Honestly I just hope a coin gets produced and distributed to a nice range of users. Funded and with somethign custom would be amazing but that requires an extreme amount of time and dedication, although an error being produced would be just top notch imo. I'd hate to see them become to valuable as it would be disheartening to see these go up for sale after the fact. Either way looking forward to seeing how this plays out. I'm shit at designs but would love to see something like a silhouette of a BTC guy and an elderly grandpa figure from behind sitting on a mountain made up of Altcoin names/abbreviateions mixed in with special dates for BTC and the forum both good and bad, names from the past that that helped get us here . Gotta include some of the disasters like Mt. Gox in the mix. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: gentlemand on October 12, 2019, 11:23:21 AM Bitcoin is a digital currency that has to replace fiat money, so anniversary coin must also be digital, in my opinion, and every active valuable member of the forum should have the opportunity to get a collectible coin. May as well go for individually tailored crypto kitties instead. That's if the forum can afford the ETH fees these days. That looks like an extremely expensive and not all that meaningful option. It would be more profound to send everyone's UID in satoshis to the genesis block. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on October 12, 2019, 11:35:10 AM 1. User A has reached 1000 Activity and 1000 earned Merit, then the Bitcoin wallet, indicated in user's profile, will be credited with 0.22112009 BTC by the forum. Lol. I don't want any sort of financial reward for those "achievements" on the forum, nor do I think Theymos would go for anything like that anyway. I would be honored if I were chosen to receive a nice collectible, physical coin whether funded or not. It isn't about money or even the value of the thing but about recognition--and as I said in my earlier post I don't necessarily think I'm as deserving of such an honor as a lot of other members. 2. User B has reached 2000 Activity and 2000 earned Merit, then this member will also could get 0.22112009 BTC. Free shipping can be considered, but without tracking. I would not care in the least if shipping was free--I'd be more than happy to pay for shipping myself to defray some of the costs involved in distributing whatever gets made. The more funds that go into making a quality commemorative, the better.The tracked shipping will be available as our regular option. I think it would be better kept for the proper OGs. I wouldn't disagree with you there, except that I think a lot of those OGs are inactive and might be hard to track down. Maybe not; maybe Theymos has a little black book of OG contacts.Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: Veleor on October 12, 2019, 01:16:14 PM ~ I would be honored if I were chosen to receive a nice collectible, physical coin whether funded or not. It isn't about money or even the value of the thing but about recognition--and as I said in my earlier post I don't necessarily think I'm as deserving of such an honor as a lot of other members. ~ I believe that forum with 2.7 million registrations will gain absolutely nothing when it will send round shiny things to 100 "chosen people". A physical coin is a vestige of a dying era, from which cryptocurrencies help to cure. Therefore, there is no sense in a physical collectible coin. This is a return to old habits, while a new generation need to look to the future. All I want to say that the forum from the creator of revolutionary digital technology could come up with something better than a physical anniversary coin to celebrate 10 years of the site. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: Welsh on October 12, 2019, 06:37:56 PM I believe that forum with 2.7 million registrations will gain absolutely nothing when it will send round shiny things to 100 "chosen people". When we consider active users, banned, and those who are considered scammers by the majority then there isn't a whole lot of users left. No where near 0ver 300k let alone 2.7 million. A digital coin would not have the same impact, depending on how you're thinking this would be done if it was a coin on your forum profile then it just becomes a sort of badge. Which users are going to show as status instead of having something they're proud about. I'd be chuffed with a physical coin with the Bitcointalk.org seal of approval on. I don't know why it is, but I feel something for this forum, and its not just a forum or community that I'm a part of anymore. Its something which I'm passionate about, and believe has been a fundamental part of Bitcoin.A physical coin is a vestige of a dying era, from which cryptocurrencies help to cure. Therefore, there is no sense in a physical collectible coin. This is a return to old habits, while a new generation need to look to the future. All I want to say that the forum from the creator of revolutionary digital technology could come up with something better than a physical anniversary coin to celebrate 10 years of the site. I'd disagree, I feel like having a physical collectible to hang up on the wall or whatever you want to do would be better than something digital. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: pugman on October 12, 2019, 08:05:05 PM It's not really that epic an achievement to get that many merits and you can manage it without being a particularly stunning or established member. I think it would be better kept for the proper OGs. There'll always have to be a cut off somewhere and opening it up to people who might have only been here for a year or less doesn't make much sense. The only reason I used merit as a determining criteria is because that's one way of determining someone being a little contributive at least towards the forum, don't you think?I mean there could always be different types of coins for different cafeterias: Bronze coin for contributive posting, Silver for having a considerable amount of reports, and gold for being a DT member/for those helping the forum fighting the fight against the scammers, and a diamond for OG users. It shouldn't have to be necessarily like this, but you get my idea, right? Although, I'd love to offer this to as many users as possible it starts to lose its sentimental value as soon as we start increasing the amounts of coins. In my opinion, and I know there's going to be a difference of an opinion on this matter, but only those that have contributed greatly to the forum or are of historic value to the forum should be eligible. Fair enough, I somewhat agree with your points, but all of this would be pretty damn useless if there's no official word. If I can make this work then I'd be more than willing to organize other significant dates such as 20th anniversary. This could be an ongoing thing, and therefore an encouragement to the newer users who might not be eligible yet. The satoshi quote idea is a good one, and hopefully if it comes to the community designing it some users will keep that in mind. I've just got to find a manufacturer which is open to the idea. Unfortunately, I don't have the pulling power of theymos to begin with, and the fact that its starting off as an unofficial project I feel has been an issue, because the only criteria I can give to them is if its good enough theymos might bless it as official. If you're having a hard time figuring out on who to give out these coins, just give it out to people sorted by bpip's most recognized. That'd help a lot to be honest, when it comes to the screening process.I've already come to terms with the fact that this isn't going to be readily available for the anniversary, but if we can get it announced, and development started that's something. I've had some users come to me with some good ideas, and some with a little advice. All I need is to find a manufacturer which has the same passion for the forum as myself, and other users who care for the community. Also, I think its worth mentioning that I'm not just going to go with someone just because they are up for it. I want quality, and I want to incorporate as much as the communities input into the coin as possible, and the right person for this will support that. I wished I opened this thread a little after theymos' initial idea proposal. According to BPIP Bitcointalk.org currently has 132,815 users which are active (logged in within 3 months). Over half of them probably fall into these groups: Registered this year, red trust, bounty hunters, lurkers, and non English users. Although, ideally I don't want to limit this to those who speak only English so it might be worth contacting moderators of the local section to see if there's anyone eligible. Apart from that most of the users will not be eligible for this coin. We want this coin to be something which is sought after, and to reward the highest contributing users as well as some historic users of the forum. I feel like 500 coins would probably be the sweet point in terms of not too rare, and not just handing them out. Although, I haven't done enough research yet to see how many users would be eligible compared to my criteria. Manufacturers might be more willing to make higher quantity coins obviously too. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: gentlemand on October 12, 2019, 08:11:41 PM The only reason I used merit as a determining criteria is because that's one way of determining someone being a little contributive at least towards the forum, don't you think? It's certainly the only immediate and obvious way of determining someone's worth but still you can get there and be a relative newbie and a bit colourless. I think it's best left to the discretion of the people issuing it and nothing else. It's their idea and they'll have the feel for who they'd like to include. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: teeGUMES on October 12, 2019, 08:15:00 PM Let me know if you need any statistical help (https://bpip.org) deciding who gets their coins subsidized! ;D If you're having a hard time figuring out on who to give out these coins, just give it out to people sorted by bpip's most recognized. That'd help a lot to be honest, when it comes to the screening process. The owner of the BPIP site is currently involved with contacting the IRS against another coin maker. I would not have the distribution of the forum coin based solely on a third party site ran by an unhinged user. Bitcoin wasn't created to appease the government nor the IRS. Don't taint these coins/celebration tokens. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: Vod on October 12, 2019, 08:40:38 PM The owner of the BPIP site is currently involved with contacting the IRS against another coin maker. teeGUMES is a liar. :) BPIP is ready to help in any way it can. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: Recaptcha007 on October 13, 2019, 04:35:38 AM Bitcoin wasn't created to appease the government nor the IRS. Don't taint these coins/celebration tokens. This forum "appeases" tax laws. Using Mr. teeDUMBS logic, that means this "forum coin" was tainted from the start! Evil thermos appeasing the government! ::) ::) The educated know why taint is on your mind and who's taint it is. EEWWW NASTY!! :o Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: Steamtyme on October 13, 2019, 07:28:05 AM The owner of the BPIP site is currently involved with contacting the IRS against another coin maker. teeGUMES is a liar. :)BPIP is ready to help in any way it can. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: Vod on October 13, 2019, 08:01:50 AM For a point of clarity. The quoted statement is not a lie if we are to believe numerous posts you have made on the subject. Wrong. I'm not currently involved in anything. I made a report on a person who claimed to have shipped thousands of coins, but never paid taxes on them, and that was months ago. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: yogg on October 13, 2019, 08:28:19 AM For us, the best would be to make only one serialized item, unregardless of the user rankings, etc.
Or several, for user ranks, but distributed at random. (Much like our "Special Coldkeys") I do not feel comfortable issuing some kind of shop coupon based on the rank, and sending it to whomever it involves. That would allow to aggregate some user data based on rank and I'm against that. I would not care in the least if shipping was free--I'd be more than happy to pay for shipping myself to defray some of the costs involved in distributing whatever gets made. The more funds that go into making a quality commemorative, the better. Thanks for voicing your opinion about this matter. :) Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: Vod on October 13, 2019, 09:23:51 AM For us, the best would be to make only one serialized item, unregardless of the user rankings, etc. I agree. Twenty years from now, no one will care that one was a Hero Member and one was Legendary . Just the Grey Cup / Superbowl (and most other) rings just have year and not the position. At this point let's concentrate more on the design, and less on who will get them. I'm sure something fair will be proposed based on the last ten years, and not recent events. :) Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: Welsh on October 13, 2019, 03:53:28 PM An idea that I had was if there was a way of going about getting users to fill in a form (with no personal information) stating that they would be willing to accept a coin without knowing that they'll be getting a coin we could create the serialized numbers equal to their forum url ID which I think would have made a real neat touch.
However, that form could be abused, and trolling could occur. At the moment no manufacturer on the forum has gotten back to me saying they're interested except for Denarium. However, they are yet to confirm if they would be 100% interested, and just told me they would have to get back to me. Which either means, we wait for another significant date of the forum, and plan well in advance this time or we look elsewhere off the forum which in my opinion takes away from the whole community coin philosophy. I'm hoping Yogg's project will be a significant effort, and will hopefully plug the hole if this doesn't materialize. ;) Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: El duderino_ on October 13, 2019, 03:56:18 PM I would go for 100 coins, (I wouldn't say no to coin 21) 8)
Designer difficult, Kialara would be my choice from the given ones (no offend do love the others as well) But bitcoinpenny would be awesome as well as a few others I came across with, very difficult to select one .... Maybe a thread where they can all make a prototype or something, pick the best and most dedicated one to the forum from there.? I would spread them unfunded, with option to fund if one pleases... I would suggest a certificate of authentic, but not a personal one. If one wants or gets select, I would suggest to be paid for by the buyer himself... Design chosen by a majority, not by one man, keep it decentralised :-* I think this could lead to an awesome BTCT community collectible coin, what would be an honour to be of owning one... I do hope the design would refer to some specific of BTC as to the forum (this will be a non easy job) Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: El duderino_ on October 13, 2019, 04:05:17 PM I reeeeallly love this idea and everything behind this, but like have a few suggesh: - 300 users are kinda a little too less, anyone who has received idk like 100-200 merits should have a chance to grab one of these coins if they were to be available. 500 should be kinda justified. It's not really that epic an achievement to get that many merits and you can manage it without being a particularly stunning or established member. I think it would be better kept for the proper OGs. There'll always have to be a cut off somewhere and opening it up to people who might have only been here for a year or less doesn't make much sense. I do think the same as gentlemand, and keep the amount of coins low like 100 to keep them special. Maybe a user must be a bit OG older (damn speaking against myself here), but as well a good trusted and positive active user could maybe have a chance to get hands on a coin? ;) ;D Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: Welsh on October 13, 2019, 04:15:11 PM Limiting this coin to older users isn't the way too go that's not what I'm suggesting when I say greatly contributes to the forum or an historical figure within the forum. In a hypothetical example;
A historical figure could be a user who registered six months ago, but squashed one of the highest critical forum security bounties saving the forum from being compromised. As long as they're still active then they would likely be in the running to get a coin. As well as users who are clearly passionate about the forum, and have gone out of their way to make this forum a better place. Its these sorts of things which should be considered when selecting users, and not just based on activity or merit. I think a combination of the above, and BPIP's recognition system could potentially be combined to determine who has higher priority over others, but again I don't think I want to be involved in the selection process of who gets what coin. I do have users in mind for the coin as I'm sure everyone does. Plus, I'm doing a little historical project which involves the forum a little bit which definitely has brought up users that I wasn't aware of, but having the ultimate decision over who gets it is a very hard decision to make. Plus, its highly likely someone would find a problem with selecting users from the recognition algorithm if I'm in it or even if theymos is in it. I'd like to avoid conflict of interest as much as possible. If this was to become a reality, theymos would likely be the best option to pick. Whether he would want too would be another story, but he knows the inner happenings of the forum as well as been here a very long time. I don't think there's any decentralized way of selecting users without it being abused. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: El duderino_ on October 13, 2019, 04:15:18 PM Facepalm..... The whole logistics of something like this is a nightmare... speaking from experience with the Zepher coins distribution. That was hard enough and those were FREE...... I would say that Bitcoin Penny is the BEST candidate to produce something like this. And limit of 300?? there are thousands of forum members...... Yes thousands, but handfuls of true BTC'ers, lot of turds floating around as well, 100 would keep this coin very special and something real forum users would please to have as an extend of there BTC collection, or even for dedicated forum-addicts it would be a nice office piece to hold on and treasure. 300 would already be a bit to much imo, if my STRONGhands get a grip on one, then better belief it ain't gonna be redistributed any day soon :) @Janemil, one gold coin in a raffle among the silver buyers would be madness, people would do accidents for that 1 gold piece ::) :o Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: asche on October 13, 2019, 05:36:38 PM Hey guys,
Just became aware that this discussion re opened, thanks to Welsh. Thank you for taking the initiative to take this great idea further. I believe 100 coins are not nearly enough. 300 would be about right. Maybe we should decide on the formula first and then use a statistical approach to decide the amount of coins? Also if the amount is too low, it could turn in something really valuable really fast. And I don't like the idea of such a commemorative coin to be turned into a speculative asset. Like once we have the scoring, take the top xx%. 10th percentile or somthing. As for the funding, I believe it should, even if it was only a non substantial amount. Reason for this? People hang longer to stuff that has an actual facial value. This means less of these coins would get lost over time (hopefully). Finally regarding the payment, at least the funding should be paid for by the member (and low enough that any member receiving it can actually afford it). Same goes for shipping (I guess). Depend on the price of making it would be nice if the price was supported by the forum as a "gift" to said members. It would also differentiate this coin to other collectibles you can just "buy". It would make it even more special IMHO. @yogg, I thought about you the moment I read this, but I must admit, for this particular event, I think a coin would be better than a card. It really reminds the first "coins" made by already mentioned members (within the poll). Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: MoparMiningLLC on October 14, 2019, 12:18:20 AM being relatively new here - just at almost 2 years - I would find it a shame if there was not a way someone like me could get one. I see the coin as most importantly commemorating the forums not to recognize any member or set of members, especially not based on their status or merit as we all know accounts are bought each and every day and merit is easily farmed by those nefarious to do so.
Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: philipma1957 on October 14, 2019, 01:06:57 AM I picked funded and unfunded.
If awarded a coin winner should have the choice of funding it. I picked 300 coins. Give out 100. Auction 200. Or give out 150. Auction 150. The awarded coin is free to the winner unless he want to fund it. But funding it is winners choice. The auction coins could be a mix of funded or not funded. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: Lydian on October 16, 2019, 08:24:28 PM The coin, or medal, should also have a material value. For example, made of gold or silver? Maybe even 1 ounce?
But I am curious how this project will develop. I hope I will also get a exemplar :) cryptocurrency + numismatics = cryptonumis:) Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: Welsh on October 30, 2019, 08:33:23 AM One manufacturer on the forum has got back to me. However, they are not one of the options in the poll. I have yet to respond to their message as I'd like some community input into this.
The coin would not be ready this year. I think this was always going to be the case. If I could possibly get a concept made up, and presented to the community this year it would be nice. However, these are the figures they've come back with: Time requirement: 2-6 months Custom hologram: +1 month Precious metal: + 3 months Of course, they can't guarantee there won't be any hiccups along the way. I guess, my question to the community is if we could make this work, would you guys be interested in receiving a 10th anniversary coin almost a year later? I would have to work out the finer details with them, but at least they've said they are willing to do it. I'm assuming that theymos would not brand this official if its a year later, but I would have to ask that question if the quality is good enough. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: asche on October 30, 2019, 11:53:26 AM Quality takes time.
Getting it 1 year late won't have any importance 10 years from now :) All in for me. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: Halab on October 30, 2019, 11:54:29 AM I guess, my question to the community is if we could make this work, would you guys be interested in receiving a 10th anniversary coin almost a year later? I'm a patient person, so it doesn't bother me to wait a few more months. And for the 20th anniversary, we will now know that we have to do it several months before the deadline :). Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: error08 on October 30, 2019, 02:35:08 PM 300 coins, so we have a bigger chance to get 1
Made by Kialara or smoothie, the first thought is casascius as he is the first who starts it, but both of them have better coin design imo. funded, obviously, we need something precious inside not just an empty coin. With personalised certificate Design chosen by community competition Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: Steamtyme on November 01, 2019, 10:03:47 PM If I were to receive one I would be fine waiting for as long as it takes to get them done right. It's not receiving and having them in hand at the 10 year that matters, it's purpose is to represent the milestone. Thanks for keeping up the legwork Welsh.
Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: pugman on November 08, 2019, 01:12:23 PM One manufacturer on the forum has got back to me. However, they are not one of the options in the poll. I have yet to respond to their message as I'd like some community input into this. What's theymos's say on all of this? I mean the community wouldn't really mind, generally speaking. And of course, people who would want to wait and eagerly receive this will do so, but some of them would probably even reject it, knowing how conscious they are when it comes to privacy(don't @ me,I am not attacking you :))The coin would not be ready this year. I think this was always going to be the case. If I could possibly get a concept made up, and presented to the community this year it would be nice. However, these are the figures they've come back with: Time requirement: 2-6 months Custom hologram: +1 month Precious metal: + 3 months Of course, they can't guarantee there won't be any hiccups along the way. I guess, my question to the community is if we could make this work, would you guys be interested in receiving a 10th anniversary coin almost a year later? I would have to work out the finer details with them, but at least they've said they are willing to do it. I'm assuming that theymos would not brand this official if its a year later, but I would have to ask that question if the quality is good enough. How's the funding gonna work for this? I haven't read the entire thread yet :/. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: Welsh on November 08, 2019, 03:42:56 PM What's theymos's say on all of this? I mean the community wouldn't really mind, generally speaking. And of course, people who would want to wait and eagerly receive this will do so, but some of them would probably even reject it, knowing how conscious they are when it comes to privacy(don't @ me,I am not attacking you :)) I still haven't received a reply off the manufacturer since they said they were interested so I'm still in the dark whether this is actually possible, and the more time that goes along the more unlikely this will be to happen. Although, you can bet your buck that I'll be wanting to help organize the 20th anniversary one with a little more time to plan, and get things done. Anyway, before committing to anything I'd be asking the communities feedback on the choice of manufacturer, and of course the nitty gritty details. How's the funding gonna work for this? I haven't read the entire thread yet :/. I've thought about ways of distributing it, and having a poll where users can say that they would be willing to send their address/PO box, alternatively shipping could be handled by the manufacturer if a deal can be worked out. Ideally, I want to know who would be willing to send their address (or I would recommend a PO box), but without guaranteeing they would get a coin. I would like the announcement of who gets a coin to be a surprise somewhat, but obviously I'd need to know users who would be 100% okay with providing a shipping address as I don't want to be announcing users who won't, and then having to find someone else for it. Its a complex situation, but that's a long time down the road from now. All coins would likely be able to be funded by the user, but a majority of the coins will be made unfunded with maybe a few with a small amount on it. Nothing big. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: asche on November 09, 2019, 08:42:31 AM Giving my adress to a single trusted person (manufacturer for instance) is perfectly fine for me, and for most people doing trades here on the forum I think :)
Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: cabalism13 on November 09, 2019, 08:53:32 AM but obviously I'd need to know users who would be 100% okay with providing a shipping address as I don't want to be announcing users who won't, and then having to find someone else for it. Its a complex situation, but that's a long time down the road from now. As long as this addresses are being kept privately just on a single person then I guess there shouldn't be any problem on us users here. AFAIK, all of the users who wants this coin will be able to provide that needed address and other infos necessary for delivery. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: TMAN on November 09, 2019, 09:10:56 AM if its Max then he has the dox of almost every collector on the board anyway - if people aren't happy with that I know MJ offers the most reliable reship service out there.
Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: Halab on February 18, 2020, 06:54:13 PM Friendly bump, don't ban me :)
I don't want to put pressure on you Welsh, but has the project made any progress ? Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: GazetaBitcoin on February 22, 2020, 05:35:29 PM Hehe I was thinking also about this topic lately.
Well, as the 10th anniversary already passed, maybe he is thinking to do this for a future anniversary. Maybe the 20th one? [...] the more time that goes along the more unlikely this will be to happen. Although, you can bet your buck that I'll be wanting to help organize the 20th anniversary one with a little more time to plan, and get things done. And about users's concerns for shipping (see the above replies), there are good news, as theymos came with a good idea (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5226333.0). It is currently tested (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5226618.new#new) by mocacinno. If things go well, maybe Welsh can use it too. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: ChiBitCTy on February 23, 2020, 09:48:13 AM Friendly bump, don't ban me :) I don't want to put pressure on you Welsh, but has the project made any progress ? I know Welsh was excited to do this project (& theymos want's this to come to fruition)..if it hasn't been mentioned ..I'm guessing theymos might even post a coin sale Ad on the front page for a week or so, unless this will be limited of course. Us nerds in collectibles got ya all covered either way.. let me know if I can be of any help Welsh. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: TheBeardedBaby on September 27, 2022, 06:42:19 AM Bumping this to keep up the good spirit and hope for this endeavor will come to success.
... and of course we want an update.... Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: Sandra_hakeem on September 27, 2022, 05:19:25 PM I'm happy to realize that an idea of this nature was planned. Atleast it has some certainty et possibility for a second trail.
20th anniversary? I pray we stick together cus certainly, again, Hades' may screw some six-deeper. unless yunno the better. Sandra 👩🦱 Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: aoluain on September 28, 2022, 09:31:51 PM Whatever happened to this idea?
From reading Welsh's posts here it seems like there was trouble getting it manufactured. It might be nice to get it restarted for a 15th anniversary. If I could make a suggestion of making contact with MrCryptHodl if it comes to pass that the project is resurrected. He is very active making coins or at least releasing coin projects and he may be able to help! Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: Welsh on September 29, 2022, 10:22:01 PM Whatever happened to this idea? Yeah, finding someone willing to do it, with the required quantity was difficult. I can't remember all the specifics now, but I imagine theymos had similar concerns when thinking it up. If it was ever to be done, I'd think a 20th anniversary would be more fitting. However, it would probably need to be organised well in advance, since last time we didn't really give the manufacturers much notice to actualy be able to do it in the required timescale. From reading Welsh's posts here it seems like there was trouble getting it manufactured. It might be nice to get it restarted for a 15th anniversary. If I could make a suggestion of making contact with MrCryptHodl if it comes to pass that the project is resurrected. He is very active making coins or at least releasing coin projects and he may be able to help! I wouldn't say it's completely off the table, but I imagine theymos will have cooked up an idea for the 20th too. If we find a manufacturer the whole process could go pretty smoothly giving it's done in time. So, if anyone knows of anyone then they can give me a message. I like the idea, but there's also the issue of sending it. Since, in the past there's been a ton of competitions with physical prizes, but the majority pass on it. So, I can't imagine there would be a ton of users here willing to give up their personal details, which is absolutely fine, and probably a good idea. However, it kind of defeats the point of giving a collectible coin to specific users, since you'd need multiple back up plans. The list would probably be as long as my arm. I think I was more naive, and hopeful last time out, plus this is something that should be given a lot of thought before implementing it. So, in a way I'm kind of glad that I didn't find a manufacturer. Although, if something can be thought up to mitigate the above issues, I'd still be interested in doing something along these lines. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on September 30, 2022, 02:54:11 AM Glad you bumped this thread, bro! I remember it when it was started, and this is part of what I had to say at the time:
Bitcointalk means a lot to me, as do things like the Zepher coin and the silver skull I bought that he owned, and the bitcoin pennies I got from minerjones. I'd even be more than willing to pay for a coin if the price was reasonable (I don't have a lot of discretionary income right now). In 2022, all of those things I mentioned above still hold meaning to me and I still have them all. In fact, I was just looking at the Zepher pennies about a half hour ago by coincidence. Minerjones was gracious enough to send me some capsules, so I keep them all encapsulated and in a dollar coin tube.Whatever happened to this idea? Yeah, wow! I think I tuned out after I saw Theymos's first reply and then the back-and-forth between members who could get a project like this done--at that point I realized there was nothing constructive I could possibly add.From reading Welsh's posts here it seems like there was trouble getting it manufactured. I will say that I'd love to see this come to fruition, and it doesn't matter if the coins are giveaways or for sale. Like I said in 2019, I'd be happy to buy one. There aren't any bitcointalk collectibles out there that come to mind, and I think there's a need for one like this. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: OgNasty on September 30, 2022, 06:58:46 PM Whatever happened to this idea? Yeah, finding someone willing to do it, with the required quantity was difficult. I can't remember all the specifics now, but I imagine theymos had similar concerns when thinking it up. If it was ever to be done, I'd think a 20th anniversary would be more fitting. However, it would probably need to be organised well in advance, since last time we didn't really give the manufacturers much notice to actualy be able to do it in the required timescale. From reading Welsh's posts here it seems like there was trouble getting it manufactured. It might be nice to get it restarted for a 15th anniversary. If I could make a suggestion of making contact with MrCryptHodl if it comes to pass that the project is resurrected. He is very active making coins or at least releasing coin projects and he may be able to help! I wouldn't say it's completely off the table, but I imagine theymos will have cooked up an idea for the 20th too. If we find a manufacturer the whole process could go pretty smoothly giving it's done in time. So, if anyone knows of anyone then they can give me a message. I like the idea, but there's also the issue of sending it. Since, in the past there's been a ton of competitions with physical prizes, but the majority pass on it. So, I can't imagine there would be a ton of users here willing to give up their personal details, which is absolutely fine, and probably a good idea. However, it kind of defeats the point of giving a collectible coin to specific users, since you'd need multiple back up plans. The list would probably be as long as my arm. I think I was more naive, and hopeful last time out, plus this is something that should be given a lot of thought before implementing it. So, in a way I'm kind of glad that I didn't find a manufacturer. Although, if something can be thought up to mitigate the above issues, I'd still be interested in doing something along these lines. I don't think it's really an issue with time or anything like that. I could bring a coin from idea to shipping in under 90 days without much effort. I could probably do it in 60 days if people had designs ready. Once you have an established process and the right contacts, it's really not difficult. I think it's a farce that coinmakers need a long preparation time. Typically when I see claims of coins taking a long time, it's because the coinmaker took preorders in BTC hoping they'd make money on the exchange rate, and then the rate went down leaving them holding the bag with not enough money to pay for the manufacturing. So they make excuses and hope people believe them. There are multiple coin projects going on right now in the Collectibles section where makers are giving excuses while they try to figure out how to move forward without losing a ton of money on their gamble to take preorders in BTC. In short, it wouldn't be difficult to get this coin made now and in people's Christmas stockings. The issue is that nobody wants to pay for it and there's no design. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: GazetaBitcoin on October 03, 2022, 09:13:06 AM If I could make a suggestion of making contact with MrCryptHodl if it comes to pass that the project is resurrected. He is very active making coins or at least releasing coin projects and he may be able to help! With all due respect to MrCryptHodl and other manufacturers, I believe that no other coin can have the reputation of (in this order) Casascius, Lealana or Kialara. These were also Welsh's suggestions from OP, if you take a look. And, for such an emblematic event, like a 15th or a 20th anniversary, a special coin is needed, if the idea gets traction... Everybody can print a coin at a 3D printer. But it's something to have a Casascius coin, as example, compared to a coin made by me or by you... Yeah, finding someone willing to do it, with the required quantity was difficult. I can't remember all the specifics now, but I imagine theymos had similar concerns when thinking it up. If it was ever to be done, I'd think a 20th anniversary would be more fitting. However, it would probably need to be organised well in advance, since last time we didn't really give the manufacturers much notice to actualy be able to do it in the required timescale. Welsh, by seeing how many users keep asking for these collectible coins, perhaps it would be time to talk to theymos about this subject... Maybe there is a chance to have this on the 15th anniversary... maybe for the 20th... but if he (you two) decide it could be done for the 15th anniversary, there is enough time to do it... There are still 2 years until then. I remember that on the 10th anniversary you started working on this idea with about 10 months before the event, and that amount of time was not enough. Perhaps two years would suffice...? I wouldn't say it's completely off the table, but I imagine theymos will have cooked up an idea for the 20th too. This is also what I had in mind: considering that, most likely, theymos would come with a fabulous idea for the 20th anniversary, perhaps the idea with a collectible coin can come to fruition for the 15th...? If we find a manufacturer the whole process could go pretty smoothly giving it's done in time. So, if anyone knows of anyone then they can give me a message. I am still thinking that one of these three manufacturers should be chosen: Casasciuns, Smoothie (Lealana) or Kialara. And, if possible, Casascius... If you want I can try to ping them and see if they would be interested in this event and also offer us some information about necessary time, costs etc. I like the idea, but there's also the issue of sending it. Since, in the past there's been a ton of competitions with physical prizes, but the majority pass on it. So, I can't imagine there would be a ton of users here willing to give up their personal details, which is absolutely fine, and probably a good idea. However, it kind of defeats the point of giving a collectible coin to specific users, since you'd need multiple back up plans. The list would probably be as long as my arm. I already addressed this issue (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5191127.msg53891132#msg53891132) once... Can't we use theymos' method (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5226333.0) for shipping? Additionally, krogoth also has a method (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5413960.0), using privnote.com. I did not study it very well, but I think we can do something also about the shipping method. In the end, I think there are much more users willing to own such a coin, than the ones not willing to, therefore, for this reason, I believe that the idea of such a collectible coin should not be abandoned. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: aoluain on October 04, 2022, 06:26:05 AM I will say that I'd love to see this come to fruition, and it doesn't matter if the coins are giveaways or for sale. Like I said in 2019, I'd be happy to buy one. There aren't any bitcointalk collectibles out there that come to mind, and I think there's a need for one like this. I don't think it should be a giveaway but a 'not for profit' project would be a possible idea and having it as a limited edition would increase the demand so Welsh or whomever wouldn't be left with surplus coins. Additionally, krogoth also has a method (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5413960.0), using privnote.com. I did not study it very well, but I think we can do something also about the shipping method. In the end, I think there are much more users willing to own such a coin, than the ones not willing to, therefore, for this reason, I believe that the idea of such a collectible coin should not be abandoned. Over in the Collectibles board everyone is encouraged to use Privnote.com to share an address when buying items. And I think there are a lot of members who would like to see this through. Would it be an idea to move this thread to the Collectibles board? or maybe start a new one there when it's decided on the project being started up again? Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: GazetaBitcoin on October 04, 2022, 09:23:50 AM Over in the Collectibles board everyone is encouraged to use Privnote.com to share an address when buying items. Then we have already a tested (and working) option... And I think there are a lot of members who would like to see this through. Yes, there are certainly very many which would appreciate such a special coin. Would it be an idea to move this thread to the Collectibles board? or maybe start a new one there when it's decided on the project being started up again? No, this thread certainly does not belong there, as it's not a simple raffle, nor an ordinary giveaway. This is an event concerning an important date for the forum, which regards all its users, therefore it belongs to Meta. It's not a simple user offering a (more or less) particular collectible item. It is a special moment, concerning forum's 15th (or 20th?) anniversary... Furthermore, if you remember 10th anniversary art contest (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5193860.0), theymos also posted it in Meta, not in a particular board, no matter that, among other prizes, he also offered prizes in BTC. Would you have expected that topic to be posted in Games and rounds board? :) Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: Welsh on October 05, 2022, 10:04:48 PM Welsh, by seeing how many users keep asking for these collectible coins, perhaps it would be time to talk to theymos about this subject... Maybe there is a chance to have this on the 15th anniversary... maybe for the 20th... but if he (you two) decide it could be done for the 15th anniversary, there is enough time to do it... There are still 2 years until then. I remember that on the 10th anniversary you started working on this idea with about 10 months before the event, and that amount of time was not enough. Perhaps two years would suffice...? I'm assuming theymos had good reason to abandon the idea in the first place. Although, I imagine theymos could potentially pick this up again in the future if they deem it appropriate to do so. They've definitely got the pulling power that someone like myself wouldn't have. I just liked the idea, and thought it would be cool like everyone else. However, I'm not very involved in the collectibles section, so having the contacts like OgNasty mentioned just wasn't there. Maybe, that's something that could be established by the time the 20th anniversary comes though. I am still thinking that one of these three manufacturers should be chosen: Casasciuns, Smoothie (Lealana) or Kialara. And, if possible, Casascius... If you want I can try to ping them and see if they would be interested in this event and also offer us some information about necessary time, costs etc. I did contact some of these, but some of them never got back to me. I believe I remember vaguely one getting back to me, but that burned out pretty quickly. Forgive me for not remembering specifics, I've slept since then :P. I may have the message still, but may have deleted it since. In the end, I think there are much more users willing to own such a coin, than the ones not willing to, therefore, for this reason, I believe that the idea of such a collectible coin should not be abandoned. I'd like to think so, but these sort of ideas always get a lot of attention, and then when it comes to fruition that interest dies down simply because of the privacy issues. I personally, wouldn't even like to receive the data, and would probably want the manufacturer to handle shipping, but then that introduces its own concerns. This is why I said earlier that I'm kind of glad it didn't work out, since I think this should be thoroughly planned instead of being rushed. Have everything pinned down, actually get the numbers down on who would be interested, and what their concerns with the process would be. How to handle shipping etc. Ultimately, it's a coin for the community, and therefore the community should probably have a large influence on these specifics. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on October 06, 2022, 06:49:17 AM I don't think it should be a giveaway but a 'not for profit' project would be a possible idea I would buy one, no questions asked (assuming I could afford it, and even then I'd most likely find a way to afford it); I'm not looking for a freebie. I strongly think a 15 or 20-year anniversary coin or just a general bitcointalk commemorative coin ought to be made, because there are a lot of members to whom this forum means a great deal--and I'm one of those, and that's the reason I'd buy one. It'd be for keeps, not for resale.and having it as a limited edition would increase the demand so Welsh or whomever wouldn't be left with surplus coins. I am still thinking that one of these three manufacturers should be chosen: Casasciuns, Smoothie (Lealana) or Kialara. And, if possible, Casascius... You all know I'm not a regular in the Collectibles section, and my knowledge of the creators of physical bitcoins and such is lacking, but I definitely recognize Casascius and Kialara as being top-notch. Smoothie I recognize by name but not reputation--but in any case I agree that if a bitcointalk coin gets made it should be done right, and your suggestions are probably spot-on (with the sliver of uncertainty based on my aforementioned ignorance).In the end, I think there are much more users willing to own such a coin, than the ones not willing to, therefore, for this reason, I believe that the idea of such a collectible coin should not be abandoned. Agree(1000)21millionTitle: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: GazetaBitcoin on October 06, 2022, 03:23:40 PM I would buy one, no questions asked (assuming I could afford it, and even then I'd most likely find a way to afford it); I'm not looking for a freebie. I strongly think a 15 or 20-year anniversary coin or just a general bitcointalk commemorative coin ought to be made, because there are a lot of members to whom this forum means a great deal--and I'm one of those, and that's the reason I'd buy one. It'd be for keeps, not for resale. True! I also share same thoughts here. Perhaps it would be a good idea -- if the collectible coin would be made -- to make a few coins which would be distributed through a raffle and some more, which can be bought... Thus, depending on the demand, more users could have the chance of owning such a precious gem. You all know I'm not a regular in the Collectibles section, and my knowledge of the creators of physical bitcoins and such is lacking, but I definitely recognize Casascius and Kialara as being top-notch. Smoothie I recognize by name but not reputation--but in any case I agree that if a bitcointalk coin gets made it should be done right, and your suggestions are probably spot-on (with the sliver of uncertainty based on my aforementioned ignorance). No worry about lack of knowledge regarding coin manufacturers, nor about not being a regular of Collectible coins. I mentioned these names as (1) (almost) everybody would know them; (2) Welsh himself mentioned them in OP; (3) Casascius must be well know for everybody as being the very first BTC coin creator -- his reputation precedes him by far. I, for one, would love to have such coin created by Casascius. But it's not up to me... It's not even (only) up to theymos or Welsh, as Casascius should be also contacted (as well as the other two manufacturers). Everything also depends on their time, on their willing to be involved in such event... But it would be nice if things could be done this way... In the end, I think there are much more users willing to own such a coin, than the ones not willing to, therefore, for this reason, I believe that the idea of such a collectible coin should not be abandoned. Agree(1000)21millionPerhaps, then, to wait for Welsh's input here...? Perhaps after he talks to theymos about this matter... I am willing to bring a hand of help, my any means, if the idea for such coin would be decided. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: Welsh on October 07, 2022, 01:09:35 AM If there's no official plans or other substantial community effort I'll likely revisit the idea, and determine how viable it is closer to the time. I think I'd be more interested in doing something like this for the 20th anniversary as opposed to the 15th though. No other reason than I think it's more significant, due to it being the second decade. Hence why I would've liked to seen something like it for the 10th anniversary.
I definitely wouldn't leave it so late, and I'd probably get the communities input once again well in advance. It would be properly planned, and thought out if I were to pick it up in the future. All I can say for now, is hopefully :P. However, it's a little bit too soon at the moment. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: ChiBitCTy on October 07, 2022, 10:53:02 PM If there's no official plans or other substantial community effort I'll likely revisit the idea, and determine how viable it is closer to the time. I think I'd be more interested in doing something like this for the 20th anniversary as opposed to the 15th though. No other reason than I think it's more significant, due to it being the second decade. Hence why I would've liked to seen something like it for the 10th anniversary. I definitely wouldn't leave it so late, and I'd probably get the communities input once again well in advance. It would be properly planned, and thought out if I were to pick it up in the future. All I can say for now, is hopefully :P. However, it's a little bit too soon at the moment. I hope we can make this come to life before the 20th anniversary. I've got a lot of ideas and can certainly help out in any way needed. Not sure if Casascius or Kialara would be interested. I'm actually chatting w/Kialara right now, so I will send him this thread to see what he thinks. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: aoluain on October 09, 2022, 08:51:23 AM If there's no official plans or other substantial community effort I'll likely revisit the idea, and determine how viable it is closer to the time. I think I'd be more interested in doing something like this for the 20th anniversary as opposed to the 15th though. No other reason than I think it's more significant, due to it being the second decade. Hence why I would've liked to seen something like it for the 10th anniversary. I definitely wouldn't leave it so late, and I'd probably get the communities input once again well in advance. It would be properly planned, and thought out if I were to pick it up in the future. All I can say for now, is hopefully :P. However, it's a little bit too soon at the moment. I hope we can make this come to life before the 20th anniversary. I've got a lot of ideas and can certainly help out in any way needed. Not sure if Casascius or Kialara would be interested. I'm actually chatting w/Kialara right now, so I will send him this thread to see what he thinks. Surely some maker like Kialara would be interested in getting on board with this, it should be a very inviting project to work on and I think there is enough support already for something to happen. I can only guess that as the project developed it will gain more interest. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: GazetaBitcoin on October 10, 2022, 09:28:28 AM I definitely wouldn't leave it so late, and I'd probably get the communities input once again well in advance. It would be properly planned, and thought out if I were to pick it up in the future. All I can say for now, is hopefully :P. However, it's a little bit too soon at the moment. No worry, this thread will certainly not go silent and it will remind you -- even if you'd forget :) -- about what we talked here. Just remember to keep an eye on it (or to check your name mentions). Indeed, if we talk about the 20th anniversary, we are too early now. But time flies... Not sure if Casascius or Kialara would be interested. I'm actually chatting w/Kialara right now, so I will send him this thread to see what he thinks. Surely some maker like Kialara would be interested in getting on board with this, it shouldbe a very inviting project to work on [...] Perhaps, another great thing would be -- and this idea just crossed my head now -- to have all three kind of coins (Casascius, Kialara and Lealana) distributed at 20th anniversary. That is, of course, if the manufacturers would like to be part of and if there can be made a deal with them. I guess that having most important coin manufacturers involved would give more chances to users to get a coin but also: it would also give more prestige to the event. Title: Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote Post by: aoluain on October 10, 2022, 08:41:20 PM ^
That is a wild idea for sure, The collectibility of that set of coins from the triad of Bitcoin coin makers would be enormous. There is nothing to stop the coins being organised and minted well in advance of a 20th anniversary and just released then! they could be ready in 2 3 years time, even next year and held in storage for the commemoration! |
