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I reeeeallly love this idea and everything behind this, but like have a few suggesh:
- 300 users are kinda a little too less, anyone who has received idk like 100-200 merits should have a chance to grab one of these coins if they were to be available. 500 should be kinda justified.
- Doesn't matter if the collectible is funded or not, it still would be a pretty cool thing to own, it could be worth millions one day you never know.
- The coin should have a satoshi quote on its edge, that'd be one of a kind for sure, and a signature of some kind by theymos. There should also be a logo on one side of a coin like a no bank symbol and the classic bitcoin logo on the other. That would be pretty fucking cool.
- Point is, if this coin is to ever be a real thing, make it rare, make all of it a worthy process overall, and just make it count.
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Welsh- I have an idea I want to run by you that I think the community would absolutely love. Something very very unique. I had been planning on using this idea for my own coin, but have been a bit too busy to bring it to life, plus it's a bit of an expensive project ( wouldn't be bad at all w/300 coins or more however..even if it's less than 300 it's not too bad). Regardless of who makes the coin, I think implementing this idea would work for everyone. I don't want to share the idea publicly quite yet, but I really think everyone would absolutely love it! I'll reach out to you soon to see what you think.
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CoA, yes. Just don't make the design look like those 1-cent "physical bitcoin" stock photos. Keep it user-funded or just unfunded.
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I reeeeallly love this idea and everything behind this, but like have a few suggesh:
- 300 users are kinda a little too less, anyone who has received idk like 100-200 merits should have a chance to grab one of these coins if they were to be available. 500 should be kinda justified.
It's not really that epic an achievement to get that many merits and you can manage it without being a particularly stunning or established member. I think it would be better kept for the proper OGs. There'll always have to be a cut off somewhere and opening it up to people who might have only been here for a year or less doesn't make much sense.
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October 11, 2019, 06:05:10 PM Last edit: October 11, 2019, 06:20:30 PM by Welsh |
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- Point is, if this coin is to ever be a real thing, make it rare, make all of it a worthy process overall, and just make it count.
Although, I'd love to offer this to as many users as possible it starts to lose its sentimental value as soon as we start increasing the amounts of coins. In my opinion, and I know there's going to be a difference of an opinion on this matter, but only those that have contributed greatly to the forum or are of historic value to the forum should be eligible. If I can make this work then I'd be more than willing to organize other significant dates such as 20th anniversary. This could be an ongoing thing, and therefore an encouragement to the newer users who might not be eligible yet. - The coin should have a satoshi quote on its edge, that'd be one of a kind for sure, and a signature of some kind by theymos. There should also be a logo on one side of a coin like a no bank symbol and the classic bitcoin logo on the other. That would be pretty fucking cool.
The satoshi quote idea is a good one, and hopefully if it comes to the community designing it some users will keep that in mind. I've just got to find a manufacturer which is open to the idea. Unfortunately, I don't have the pulling power of theymos to begin with, and the fact that its starting off as an unofficial project I feel has been an issue, because the only criteria I can give to them is if its good enough theymos might bless it as official. I've already come to terms with the fact that this isn't going to be readily available for the anniversary, but if we can get it announced, and development started that's something. I've had some users come to me with some good ideas, and some with a little advice. All I need is to find a manufacturer which has the same passion for the forum as myself, and other users who care for the community. Also, I think its worth mentioning that I'm not just going to go with someone just because they are up for it. I want quality, and I want to incorporate as much as the communities input into the coin as possible, and the right person for this will support that. I wished I opened this thread a little after theymos' initial idea proposal. According to BPIP Bitcointalk.org currently has 132,815 users which are active (logged in within 3 months). Over half of them probably fall into these groups: Registered this year, red trust, bounty hunters, lurkers, and non English users. Although, ideally I don't want to limit this to those who speak only English so it might be worth contacting moderators of the local section to see if there's anyone eligible. Apart from that most of the users will not be eligible for this coin. We want this coin to be something which is sought after, and to reward the highest contributing users as well as some historic users of the forum. I feel like 500 coins would probably be the sweet point in terms of not too rare, and not just handing them out. Although, I haven't done enough research yet to see how many users would be eligible compared to my criteria. Manufacturers might be more willing to make higher quantity coins obviously too.
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Thank you everyone for the ideas that are emitted here. Still working on this, but shall be released soon. (This week)
I was curious, are we really going to go for 'paid by users' per coin? If yes, how much would it cost? Does it includes the shipment fees? Or are we gonna pay for it also? (P. S. I don't mind paying, but just want to know how much would be the cost) I dont know. We cannot make it basicaly free for everyone. Maybe if our offer pleases Theymos and he supports what we did, we will be able to create some "coupon" code that will apply a discount for some users on our shop. Free shipping can be considered, but without tracking. The tracked shipping will be available as our regular option.
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The principles of Bitcoin must be respected in allocation of collectible coins: equity, effectiveness and anonymity. Bitcoin is a digital currency that has to replace fiat money, so anniversary coin must also be digital, in my opinion, and every active valuable member of the forum should have the opportunity to get a collectible coin. Image sourceBitcointalk forum might award valuable members by sending them a jubilee digital coin to the BTC addresses indicated in their profiles, when they will reach a certain amount of Activity and Merit. For every earned 1000 Activity and 1000 Merit, forum users could get for instance 0.22112009 BTC, symbolizing the date of Satoshi Nakamoto's greeting message on the forum https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5.0Examples: 1. User A has reached 1000 Activity and 1000 earned Merit, then the Bitcoin wallet, indicated in user's profile, will be credited with 0.22112009 BTC by the forum. 2. User B has reached 2000 Activity and 2000 earned Merit, then this member will also could get 0.22112009 BTC. After receiving each jubilee digital coin, a certain notes could be added to users profiles also. I see the following positive points of such idea: - Anonimity, since receivers of the anniversary coin will not be needed to provide any personal data.
- The quality of the forum's content and it's attendance will improve.
- The distribution of Merit on Bitcointalk will increase in all sub-sections.
Thus, collectible coins will not be allocated among a handful of "chosen forum people", but all valuable members will have the opportunity to fairly earn a digital anniversary Bitcoin if they will be taking an active part in the life of the community.
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Do you mean that this would be an ongoing reward, as opposed to a 1 time thing on the 10th anniversary? It would be extremely limited as I believe only 41 people currently have the merit requirement for that, and I didn't check but then it's down around 30 or so that meet the activity requirement. It just wouldn't seem very inclusive all around. Honestly I just hope a coin gets produced and distributed to a nice range of users. Funded and with somethign custom would be amazing but that requires an extreme amount of time and dedication, although an error being produced would be just top notch imo. I'd hate to see them become to valuable as it would be disheartening to see these go up for sale after the fact. Either way looking forward to seeing how this plays out. I'm shit at designs but would love to see something like a silhouette of a BTC guy and an elderly grandpa figure from behind sitting on a mountain made up of Altcoin names/abbreviateions mixed in with special dates for BTC and the forum both good and bad, names from the past that that helped get us here . Gotta include some of the disasters like Mt. Gox in the mix.
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October 12, 2019, 11:23:21 AM |
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Bitcoin is a digital currency that has to replace fiat money, so anniversary coin must also be digital, in my opinion, and every active valuable member of the forum should have the opportunity to get a collectible coin.
May as well go for individually tailored crypto kitties instead. That's if the forum can afford the ETH fees these days. That looks like an extremely expensive and not all that meaningful option. It would be more profound to send everyone's UID in satoshis to the genesis block.
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1. User A has reached 1000 Activity and 1000 earned Merit, then the Bitcoin wallet, indicated in user's profile, will be credited with 0.22112009 BTC by the forum. 2. User B has reached 2000 Activity and 2000 earned Merit, then this member will also could get 0.22112009 BTC.
Lol. I don't want any sort of financial reward for those "achievements" on the forum, nor do I think Theymos would go for anything like that anyway. I would be honored if I were chosen to receive a nice collectible, physical coin whether funded or not. It isn't about money or even the value of the thing but about recognition--and as I said in my earlier post I don't necessarily think I'm as deserving of such an honor as a lot of other members. Free shipping can be considered, but without tracking. The tracked shipping will be available as our regular option.
I would not care in the least if shipping was free--I'd be more than happy to pay for shipping myself to defray some of the costs involved in distributing whatever gets made. The more funds that go into making a quality commemorative, the better. I think it would be better kept for the proper OGs.
I wouldn't disagree with you there, except that I think a lot of those OGs are inactive and might be hard to track down. Maybe not; maybe Theymos has a little black book of OG contacts.
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October 12, 2019, 01:16:14 PM |
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~ I would be honored if I were chosen to receive a nice collectible, physical coin whether funded or not. It isn't about money or even the value of the thing but about recognition--and as I said in my earlier post I don't necessarily think I'm as deserving of such an honor as a lot of other members. ~
I believe that forum with 2.7 million registrations will gain absolutely nothing when it will send round shiny things to 100 "chosen people". A physical coin is a vestige of a dying era, from which cryptocurrencies help to cure. Therefore, there is no sense in a physical collectible coin. This is a return to old habits, while a new generation need to look to the future. All I want to say that the forum from the creator of revolutionary digital technology could come up with something better than a physical anniversary coin to celebrate 10 years of the site.
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October 12, 2019, 06:37:56 PM |
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I believe that forum with 2.7 million registrations will gain absolutely nothing when it will send round shiny things to 100 "chosen people". A physical coin is a vestige of a dying era, from which cryptocurrencies help to cure. Therefore, there is no sense in a physical collectible coin. This is a return to old habits, while a new generation need to look to the future. All I want to say that the forum from the creator of revolutionary digital technology could come up with something better than a physical anniversary coin to celebrate 10 years of the site.
When we consider active users, banned, and those who are considered scammers by the majority then there isn't a whole lot of users left. No where near 0ver 300k let alone 2.7 million. A digital coin would not have the same impact, depending on how you're thinking this would be done if it was a coin on your forum profile then it just becomes a sort of badge. Which users are going to show as status instead of having something they're proud about. I'd be chuffed with a physical coin with the Bitcointalk.org seal of approval on. I don't know why it is, but I feel something for this forum, and its not just a forum or community that I'm a part of anymore. Its something which I'm passionate about, and believe has been a fundamental part of Bitcoin. I'd disagree, I feel like having a physical collectible to hang up on the wall or whatever you want to do would be better than something digital.
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It's not really that epic an achievement to get that many merits and you can manage it without being a particularly stunning or established member. I think it would be better kept for the proper OGs. There'll always have to be a cut off somewhere and opening it up to people who might have only been here for a year or less doesn't make much sense.
The only reason I used merit as a determining criteria is because that's one way of determining someone being a little contributive at least towards the forum, don't you think? I mean there could always be different types of coins for different cafeterias: Bronze coin for contributive posting, Silver for having a considerable amount of reports, and gold for being a DT member/for those helping the forum fighting the fight against the scammers, and a diamond for OG users. It shouldn't have to be necessarily like this, but you get my idea, right? Although, I'd love to offer this to as many users as possible it starts to lose its sentimental value as soon as we start increasing the amounts of coins. In my opinion, and I know there's going to be a difference of an opinion on this matter, but only those that have contributed greatly to the forum or are of historic value to the forum should be eligible.
If I can make this work then I'd be more than willing to organize other significant dates such as 20th anniversary. This could be an ongoing thing, and therefore an encouragement to the newer users who might not be eligible yet.
Fair enough, I somewhat agree with your points, but all of this would be pretty damn useless if there's no official word. The satoshi quote idea is a good one, and hopefully if it comes to the community designing it some users will keep that in mind. I've just got to find a manufacturer which is open to the idea. Unfortunately, I don't have the pulling power of theymos to begin with, and the fact that its starting off as an unofficial project I feel has been an issue, because the only criteria I can give to them is if its good enough theymos might bless it as official.
I've already come to terms with the fact that this isn't going to be readily available for the anniversary, but if we can get it announced, and development started that's something. I've had some users come to me with some good ideas, and some with a little advice. All I need is to find a manufacturer which has the same passion for the forum as myself, and other users who care for the community.
Also, I think its worth mentioning that I'm not just going to go with someone just because they are up for it. I want quality, and I want to incorporate as much as the communities input into the coin as possible, and the right person for this will support that. I wished I opened this thread a little after theymos' initial idea proposal.
According to BPIP Bitcointalk.org currently has 132,815 users which are active (logged in within 3 months). Over half of them probably fall into these groups: Registered this year, red trust, bounty hunters, lurkers, and non English users. Although, ideally I don't want to limit this to those who speak only English so it might be worth contacting moderators of the local section to see if there's anyone eligible. Apart from that most of the users will not be eligible for this coin. We want this coin to be something which is sought after, and to reward the highest contributing users as well as some historic users of the forum.
I feel like 500 coins would probably be the sweet point in terms of not too rare, and not just handing them out. Although, I haven't done enough research yet to see how many users would be eligible compared to my criteria. Manufacturers might be more willing to make higher quantity coins obviously too.
If you're having a hard time figuring out on who to give out these coins, just give it out to people sorted by bpip's most recognized. That'd help a lot to be honest, when it comes to the screening process.
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The only reason I used merit as a determining criteria is because that's one way of determining someone being a little contributive at least towards the forum, don't you think?
It's certainly the only immediate and obvious way of determining someone's worth but still you can get there and be a relative newbie and a bit colourless. I think it's best left to the discretion of the people issuing it and nothing else. It's their idea and they'll have the feel for who they'd like to include.
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Let me know if you need any statistical help deciding who gets their coins subsidized! ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) If you're having a hard time figuring out on who to give out these coins, just give it out to people sorted by bpip's most recognized. That'd help a lot to be honest, when it comes to the screening process.
The owner of the BPIP site is currently involved with contacting the IRS against another coin maker. I would not have the distribution of the forum coin based solely on a third party site ran by an unhinged user. Bitcoin wasn't created to appease the government nor the IRS. Don't taint these coins/celebration tokens.
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The owner of the BPIP site is currently involved with contacting the IRS against another coin maker.
teeGUMES is a liar. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) BPIP is ready to help in any way it can.
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Bitcoin wasn't created to appease the government nor the IRS. Don't taint these coins/celebration tokens.
This forum "appeases" tax laws. Using Mr. teeDUMBS logic, that means this "forum coin" was tainted from the start! Evil thermos appeasing the government! ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) The educated know why taint is on your mind and who's taint it is. EEWWW NASTY!! ![Shocked](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/shocked.gif)
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The owner of the BPIP site is currently involved with contacting the IRS against another coin maker.
teeGUMES is a liar. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) BPIP is ready to help in any way it can. For a point of clarity. The quoted statement is not a lie if we are to believe numerous posts you have made on the subject. That being said I don't see how that excludes BPIP from being an accurate source of statistics on forum users.
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For a point of clarity. The quoted statement is not a lie if we are to believe numerous posts you have made on the subject.
Wrong. I'm not currently involved in anything. I made a report on a person who claimed to have shipped thousands of coins, but never paid taxes on them, and that was months ago.
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For us, the best would be to make only one serialized item, unregardless of the user rankings, etc. Or several, for user ranks, but distributed at random. (Much like our "Special Coldkeys") I do not feel comfortable issuing some kind of shop coupon based on the rank, and sending it to whomever it involves. That would allow to aggregate some user data based on rank and I'm against that. I would not care in the least if shipping was free--I'd be more than happy to pay for shipping myself to defray some of the costs involved in distributing whatever gets made. The more funds that go into making a quality commemorative, the better.
Thanks for voicing your opinion about this matter. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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