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This is the reality nowadays, but I don't know if you agree or not.

As what I have observed since last year, lots of ICO investors are more excited and making some noise when a crypto startup announced that they will be listed in some exchanges.

I have browsed a lot of Telegram groups coming from various ICOs, IEOs and other forms of token sales. When they announce their partnership with a "XXX" company or they have launched their v2.0 of their product, it seems that the community are kind of less impressed and not excited about that.

Last year, there's an ICO where until now, they haven't listed in an exchange as they focused more on product development. It's like almost 2 years and they haven't listed their token yet in exchanges but they only give us a quarterly report on what they're doing with the product. It results for most investors to become impatient and demand their money back or getting listed to exchanges at least.

This is what I've been observing for now, the behavior of most investors who are expecting their returns or gains after the ICO is complete. What do you say guys? Agree with this or not?

Well if they raise enough fund why not listing it in exchange ?
I mean there is no sense for the update if the coin/tokens is not tradeable it will not create hype .they are just telling what they are doing and doesnt help the community and investors , besides we dont know if that project is really willing to list it .
Other reasons is  investors want to convert what they have invested any time they like .If you cant sell the coin/token you are just holding a coin/token  that you dont know if there is a real value.

This kind of behavior makes these aspiring companies that makes their new product hopeless. The impatience of some, who does not believe in the product, but rather just wants to get it immediately listed on exchanges, hurts the userbase of the product and would be the cause of their fall. I agree to your stand and only if people really pay attention to the efforts to make their platform secure and better, and having some patience up their sleeves, then they may get a solid product that would guarantee them some profit/returns.

most investors are no longer interested in ICO, because many projects that ultimately disappoint and even fail, I participated in several projects that looked good in the future, but the fact is that everything doesn't match reality, most ICO tokens are worthless, even the value is far below the ICO price.

Absolutely right. The majority consider investment in IEO/ICO as a fast money making mechanism. When something goes wrong, the "ban" process starts. That is why there is a great need for IEOs in bigger exchanges such as Binance. Binance is one of the most important mechanisms of this system. Product and targets are no longer important factors. The important thing is that in which exchange IEO will be.

In fact, it often happens that some of their ICO projects always postpone the launch of their tokens on the exchange, I often even see the team saying they will soon enter the market in the next few weeks, but it is true that this is nonsense until this project takes investors' money away.
Investors now know better which ones will be invested in the future, no longer choose ICO because it is considered a scamer if there are projects holding ICO.

That is true. It is because ICO investors are treating ICOs as investment opportunities rather than projects that they will truly support. Although they are also making reviews and researches on the projects and their potentials, they do not have any plan to really make use of the products that the projects will release soon. They are only expecting that when these projects will reach the success that they are pursuing the prices of their coins or tokens will also gain price. And they will make profit.

Basically, all they want is quick profit and don't care about the product though ideally, they should be as their investment will be nothing.


I would agree and investors are smart enough to identify the potential projects. While some will just buy after the crowdsale as it surely be gonna one hell dump.

It's develops mistake and not a mistake from investors because developers showcases a different raodmap at the time of pooling in the investors and later when they say they are more focused on product development it does not make any sense and shows the incapability on developers to stick to their words and moreover it doesn't make a difference to list the token just including the further development concept in white paper and website as no altcoin isb100% at the time of listing. I don't agree with my this post.

The only thing most investors are worried about is the exchange listing not about the product development.  It's a 2 ways analysis and you can't blame investors for that. Most of the projects,  tends to kill the products even before listing on exchange. A blockchain project is to solve problems according to what the whitepaper presents, sadly a lot of these projects doesn't even make up for what the product is all about. I wouldn't blame investors who cares about exchange than product developments.

I agree with this because I have personally experienced it. The investors are looking for a simple and quick profit without bothering what the company wants to do and what they are going to achieve for the future, a project that gives their investor hype and exchange news made more noise compared to a project that gives their investor a working product and partnership. Investors do not care about it because they think cryptocurrency is only created for a short time and intended to double their money as soon as possible. This is the latest of our investors mindset, they care about getting rich overnight without understanding the process.

those aren't "investors" that you are talking about. it seems like you are talking about the "owners" or in other words the "creators" of the ICO. and it is apparent that they don't want their token to be dumped to oblivion and the only thing that they cared about was receiving the money they raised through their ICO scam. which is why they no longer do any meaningful work apart from making false promises and fake news.

You cannot blame investors because in the past year reaching the exchange for new project is the best that most projects can do because lots of good projects have failed because of lack of investors on their project its because trust on ICOs or IEOs decrease a lot.

ico scam is not only detrimental to investors, but we as bounty participants are also affected, I think the cryptocurrency world today needs an independent organization to regulate the implementation of ico or ieo regulations instead, as does the SEC organization in America, so that the way will be able to minimize the occurrence of fraudulent projects Moreover, we know that the velocity of money in cryptocurrency is quite large so that it makes many people tempted to commit a fraud.

Agreed, and i think that this is the reason why people are into IEOs, so they can flip their investment instantly. And somehow if the price dumps, they want another exchange, as like that would fix anything. People want quantity of exchanges instead quality of the project.

that's why we need to be smart enough in development of the product it will be better if the team will already have a support from known companies before they conduct ICO so it will have sure success even less investor participate since once they listed and their product is developing and seem to have a good progress, investors will definitely start investing.

They are interested in exchange listing because they are afraid the market will be dumped before they can sell the tokens. It happened with many projects before, when the investors were participating in the ICO, the market was in a bull. After the ICO ended the investors needed to wait for several months before the project listed on the exchange. The market constantly changing every day and after several months, the market turned into bear causing the investors to lose some of their capital because of the dump.

Investor of ICO coin are happy if hear announce from ICO team to list coin on new exchange market, volume transaction of ICO coin will increase more than 50% and price can be up, but depend which one exchange listing for ICO coin, if shit exchange market like idex or hotbit maybe less investor are happy and they will waiting with big exchange for listing like Binance and Kucoin or bittrex.

I agree, and if we talk aboit ICO's they are more popular last 2017 but as tine goes by we know that early investors profited from it. Afterwards newly projects came out in the market the tendency is the old ICO projects will have less interest and the money will go into the new tokens or coins.
Another reason was the partnership thingy. It is not that too big play or big news as partnership are very common nowadays. Time is changing so the people's interest as well.

As it is difficult to get support from large companies, the project now only relies on the products they run with products that are hard to believe by investors, ICO sales are less interested because of the many scamers that occur, not because of support from exchanges or companies.

I think most of the investors are also feel that way! Like me i was participated in numerous ICO, I accept that all i care is when the token will be listed so i can get my investment plus the profit, But i say it today all that assumptions are change today, sense after it was listed you cant expect profit specially when the token was listed on the sleepy exchange, But way back 2017-2018 profit after listing was usually times three, but now its been a different story.

First of all investors are here for profits not to get anything developed so asking them to wait without any specific time period is more likely scamming them.

And from the project's point of view its definitely good to get the final product to list on the exchange but is there really need for it? Even after than this is going to be another bump and dump coin or token.

if the project token is using ETH, it won't matter if the team decides not to add their token to the exchanges and promise their investors to deliver products, the ERC token will still be added to dex. there was a project last 2017 like the Reality-Clash, today RCC token isn't added to any exchange just to DEX. they already released their project to many countries, price is still at its lowest low and ICO investors ain't excited to it.

What's more making them more eager, was having lots of money from trading exchanges and not those non sense ICO projects, because they thought it's just a headache. Looking back what happened last 2018, most projects was not gaining positive outcome that's why they've been falling down on particular issues like scam and fraudulent developers, and worst was not listed on any exchanges to have trading.

Actually I agree with you since I lose huge money for believing on one ICO coin telling that there exchange will come out and the price will boom way back 2018 that's why i'm so skeptical by now and want to get out with those token if there's a chance since I don't want to get the same outcome since it's so stressful when you see the tokens you hold is dumping to much and the only choice you have is to hold since you are afraid to lose if you sell on low price.

That I know of projects like ICO that are able to list on well-known exchanges, means the project / product is clear and has a lot of interest. Every exchange must conduct a token voting event first. so that it can be registered, and all of that must have a limit or a minimum of tokens must be reached before being listed on the exchange. A good project will definitely choose to be quickly listed on a well-known exchange, and that is also a form of promotion to get to know the product more broadly in my opinion.

Those are some reasons investors want to know how big the project is and on average investors want to know the profit generated. so it's appropriate, sometimes investors are also in a hurry because of the daily needs / fulfill their economic life.

Many scam project able to list on Big exchange so that investors will stop complaining about the price. Investors has zero interest on the development but the profit only. Just like Walton chain. They are listed on big exchange lile binance but they have plagiarized code of ETH when they recently show there code.

Majority who invest their money in these ICO wants to earn the profit as soon as they get listed in exchanges and majority dump the coin when they get the desired profit.

What kind of project takes two years to develop and list the tokens in exchanges, everyone will loose their patience if they invested their money and to wait for two years without any result is not the way they wanted and hence people will be demanding the investment to be returned.
 

Agree, investors only want to get a return on their investment, the sooner the better. Then why did the project keep them from exchange for more than 2 years? Do they not have enough money to list or are they unfit or? What did they promise? Most of it becomes bullshit.

Most of the investors in crypto are the ones that came seeking quick profit. There are several investments that could yield profit but with the last bull run, investors got an idea that crypto would yield a massive profit in just short amount of time, buy low in ICO and sell high when it gets listed. Such thinking are still prevalent.

Investors are more focus on making a profit even a small percentage from their own investment, they don't even try to maximize making a profit since most of the successful projects nowadays becoming a failure in the long run.

A legitimate project should have taken a lot of progress within 2 years, listing tokens in an exchange won't take that long.
This kind of project is like letting their investors lose their patience and it's possible that the developers are already gone.
 

I agree with your point above that right now we are talking about facts. most project investors and project promoters (prize hunters) prefer exchanges, where the project token is already listed on the exchange after the project is completed. so don't get bored or wait too long to trade their tokens, if the tokens already have their own exchanges.

I personally also have the same opinion with you, that indeed most investors invest to be able to get a quick return of the money they have invested so they do not care too much about the product and the development of the project. Investors do not care too much and are impatient because they only want a greater return than the amount of money they have invested, even though it requires a process so that all can be equally benefited, both the team behind the project and the investors who provide funds to develop the project.

I've seen a lot demanding their money back in telegram when the team are delaying everything. Investors wants profit and if possible in a short period of time, if they can't provide a milestone in their roadmap while the token isn't in the market investors might as well just get a refund. There are some who really believes to the team that even when the team only adds their token a a single exchange they still trade with it.

Yes they prefer to have an exchange immediately but it is not because they do not want development. Maybe they want to have it right away because they are afraid it will be a scam and they will not be able to sell their purchased token right away. And another one also of biggest fears of investors is that bounty hunters are also hurting the value of the token, as it is sold on decentralized exchanges for less than the original price.

generally its not only about investor. but in this case, i think rhe investor divide in two type: 1. investor that actually want to profit in short time (immediately after listed on exchange), and sell his asset. but this investor also act angry and crazy when the price not expected what they want. especially when below ico price. ;D
2. investor believer. this type is they invest that actually want to support the project, involved, waiting final product, etc.

You've got to understand that most investors you see complaining and publicly demanding their money back are retail investors which typically invest based on good publicity in front of them or FOMO. They forget that they are not trading, but investing. Investing is usually on long term & investing in a start-up is similar to a start-up. The product can be successful or not depending on the management and developers and the market of course.

So in my view people who complain about their investments in ICO are mostly newbies that are looking fot a fast buck.

There was a project that I've moderated before that is similar with this. Since it's an erc-20, some hunter listed it on etherdelta (and I think even forkdelta) but it hasn't been officially listed by the team yet. In this particular group, there are only a handful of ICO investors who complains about listing and asking for refund, contrary to the claim that most investors aren't interested with product development.

You can't blame them it's on the roadmap that they are going to get it in exchanges, some even promised top exchanges, no investors will invest in a project where their money is sleeping for months, they want to see the potential of the coin in the market, they want to know if they are right in investing and they want to know if the dev is honest and true to their words that they will see the coin in the market as soon as possible, products and exchanges are two elements that investors wants to see.

the effect of many ICO's is a scam. investors no longer trust ICO. besides that the ICO which lasts for 2018 is only for pumps and dumps. so that many Investors are only eager to register. they don't care about the growth of the project, as long as they can sell and profit, investors will do that, and look for a new ICO / IEO. There is no original product or idea that can impress investors and hold their coins. on the other hand it is the effect after market listing. because 90% ICO is having prices fall after listing.

Because they are excited to earn than to use whatever products the projects are offering or launching. They invest in ICOs that have the most potential to give them profit rather than on the ICOs that would offer the best product. It is very obvious why. They invest to earn. And once they earn enough profit from their investment, they will leave the project just like that.

because they want to get tangible benefits like when their ico project has been completed and tokens can be traded in exchange, on the other hand there are a lot of good ico projects but the product doesn't work well.

Well what is the point of all going hard work when they wouldn't be in any of the exchange. They got excited because they got motivated with such announcement. To think of it they are already half way of becoming successful. I may be not part of it but I will be happy as well. In addition rest assured that they will be working harder after that.

Maybe if everything balanced, any problem can be avoided. Because for me, maybe 2 years is very long time if no listed in exchange, and usually a lot of investor already tired to wait. And about what happen recently if investor only ask to listed in exchange, i think maybe 1-2 exchange first as long developers keep update with the project will be good. For now after listed, usually developer look not really care anymore.

This was the first thing I thought when I read the op.

I'm not a bounty hunter and don't follow all the ico projects that have cropped up in the past few years, so I wasn't aware that *any* of them were doing what op described.  Not getting a token listed on an exchange seems like a perplexing move at best and something scammy at worst.  Are bounty hunters getting paid in tokens that don't get listed for a long time or what?  If that's the case it would be yet another slap in their faces by the project devs.

Can't think of a good reason why a project wouldn't try to get their token listed.  'Working on the technology' sounds like an excuse, because no team has to do choose between doing one or the other, and it isn't like there aren't exchanges out there that wouldn't leap at the chance to list a new token.  Maybe they don't want to see how badly the token is going to perform on the market?  I think by delaying listing it only delays the inevitable selling wave that's going to happen once it does get listed. 

I don't know, this sort of practice seems very shady to me.

It doesn't make sense when a project successfully raise fund and refuse to list on exchange, it can't be trusted, the only projects that wait that long are those who failed to meet their target, they surely will find it hard to proceed with development

Sadly, that's how it is nowadays. People's only concern now is when the token/coin hits the exchange.
They don't really want to know what the development of the project or whatsoever, they only want something profitable. Who doesn't, right?

With how many scammed ICOs, they're kinda scared that if the project doesn't come to an exchange sooner, then the project will be considered a scammed one.
And it's also in their roadmap, about when it goes to exchange and all, but if it's out of schedule, then people started to questioning them.

Naturally,  we could say that listing token in an exchange is always part of the plan in every project, so why do they have to let their investors to wait for a long time before listing in an exchange, dumping of coins will always happen even if they delay it. Investors are after for making a profit, it's only natural to become excited upon listing once they have already make a profit.

do exchanges like binance have tokens or scam coins?
of course not right?
big exchange is the dream of a project, because this is also a form of product promotion that is marketed. if their products are favored by investors, this is certainly a feature of the project to be successful. Of course the project being developed will be more advanced, this is more preferred by people and supply is increasingly in demand, in fact this makes prices soar. so investors also feel the profit. You are right, in fact, investors are only looking for profit, but investors also need project development so that prices will also increase.

at the moment I think no one really supports the new project. because investors are currently only profit oriented. so it's normal if they are more interested in the market than developing the project itself. I don't blame them because that's the best. wholeheartedly supporting the project will only make you lose at the end. time, Dana, your feelings are just a waste, because sooner or later the project will just die.

Its complicated thing in crypto world, especially when we talk about ICO. Investors are more exicited when their token already on exchange because they can liquidates their own. I think its short term investment, but its have high risk if we are late just an hour to exchange it.
Then they don't really care about roduct developments because they afraid to be scammed, because didn't use 'free' money, and don't know exactly about the project.
Every decision have reason to make sure what we choose is the best, may be that is conditions what they feel.

Investors do not just look at it from an ordinary exchange place because at this time many places of exchange are created but do not have a good development even they cannot get a lot of capital because I think investors have not dared to invest capital in large amounts because they have too many scams by several projects.

IMO, it's natural that investors want to see that these tokens have a high price, cus the price of the token illustrates how useful the product they are making. no matter they develop product 2.0 or who they work with, most investors want results, not just unnecessary developments.

yes, on the one hand, it is not entirely a mistake of development, but investor awareness. Investor awareness is also needed to make coin prices because the development of a product cannot be done like turning the palm of the hand. it requires quite a long time. if Team has a new product for development, an investor must be an awareness that Team has worked hard to for upgrade the price and work hard from the team needs to be appreciated

in this case, investors and developers have their own shortcomings. it's just that I feel that investors need to be careful choosing a project and know everything about the product that will be produced by a project because sometimes things don't work out easily like what we think.

in fact if projects able listing in reputable exchanges such as binance or huobi they consider as if all roadmap finished developted.exchanges reputation could bring hype in market ,roadmap and product be second number.investors thinking if developers team able bring project to binance or other good exchanges ,they are serious  with their projects.and now many presumption ,exchanges representated developers team seriousness .

Unfortunately it is a fact that we often see and we find in every moment after ico is finished. Such behavior continues to occur and investors continue to demand that tokens can be immediately listed on the exchange, they want return for their investment and do not care about the development and future of the project itself. But sometimes some new projects promise to be immediately listed in exchange after the sale of tokens is complete and this is also often listed in every road map that makes investors claim their rights that is profit.

I have also participated in projects that have not yet been listed on any exchange. The reason they are not listed in any exchange is to keep their coins from being dumped and discarded by participants who follow their bounties. But it greatly affected investors who bought coins at the beginning of the ICO. eventually there will be a lot of speculation, ranging from scams, fraudsters and others.

i totally agree with this, many investors get excited when the coin listed on big exchange than product development

in my humble opinions, this is very reasonable. when coins listed on big exchange, the price is often pump so hard

most of investors just wanna take a short profit from their investement. that's why listed on exchange make them excited rather than product development

I definitely agree with you, most investors are more concerned with exchange listing update rather than product development or other remarkable milestones achieved. The truth is that everyone in crypto space is also in for the money, even if you are a tech savy or also concerned about what will happen to crypto in coming years. Personally, I prefer product news before exchange listing update since it will even help build confidence in holders not to dump in a hurry. Also, for me it's better a project doesn't list at all than listing on a crappie exchange with almost negligible liquidity, forcing the price down with great margin. We just have to be patient about exchange listing if a project is cool with development, even though exchange listing is very important.

This is in terms of money making that's why ICO investors are too excited to dump their tokens because it happens all the time, when the developers are also the one that you have to blame for automatically dumping when the tokens got listed on an exchange. If there would be some kind of rules or codes that could stop them from dumping those tokens when listed that they are allowed to sell it on a period of time. That would be so helpful for the project.

Its the time for you make a decision whether you come out with some amount of loss or waiting to get the price boomed,it may not even happen so act smart and invest that money from token into coin like bitcoin where you have high hope of getting returns in the long run which is comparatively better than holding a shit coin with no hope.

This will of investors is justified. Developers and organizers of the ICO project are obliged to follow their roadmap or whitepaper. If this does not happen it gives a hint that the organizers are not coping with their task. People feel sorry for their money because they believed in the project in vain and spent personal funds on it.

Yeah right, even after the tokens are listed on the exchange, they are still angry because the price is very far different from the ICO. If like this, they should not choose to become an investor, but rather become a short trader after the token is listed on the exchange. Because basically, an investment requires a long period of time to return the capital and get a profit.

Why won’t they be? Most projects are always giving early-bird investors huge discounts; after buying, they try to sell quickly in order to make profit. Many of recent investors are not too interested in the project’s product development. And that is not good for the blockchain community.

This is something complex. Naturally, if investors want their capital to return soon, especially after several years have passed. Supposedly, if the development team is really consistent in developing the product, especially if it is always actively communicating the development of the project, that's actually a very good thing, right? We also need to realize that market conditions are still less conducive, so why not rush, let them work and investors need to be patient, hopefully when listing everything can be happy.

investors are just afraid of being trapped in the same pattern because 2018-2019 is full of ico that does not keep its promises. ideally after ICO, the projects they offer are already working transparently, no longer in the form of raw projects. In other cases, most developers also prioritize revenue team as a result of their hard work, and put investors in second place after project development. Not a few developers who really triggered the sale of their own tokens from the start. So investors have their own trauma.

Most people who venture into cryptocurrencies are in for the money and not technology. That is the real fact for most investors, for product development and the technology that comes with the various projects crypto enthusiasts especially investors are not interested since that is seen as a long term thing.

Right, I'm supposed that the creators or the owners knows that listing their tokens right away will cause a massive dump on prices of their products, so they want to hold as much so that they can create more money out of it. And then when they got listed, majority of them are the first people who are going to dump it right away, win-win for them. And don't bother to create any enhancements because they are moving forward on another project, rinse and repeat for those scammers.

It's an easy money. What else do they want? To be honest, people are buying ICO for one purpose only. To get quick money. They grab token as much as they can and dump it when it hits an exchange. That's natural here in cryptocurrency market. You have to be fast. So you won't be left behind. Some ICOs after hitting an exchange doesn't recover after massive dump. So better dump it before it's too late. Investors doesn't care much on the development. That's why in this environment only the best project survives and weak projects dies.

We can't do anything about that. Investors doesn't care that much about the full potential of the project. I can't blame them because it makes you quick money. It's a chain reaction. When people dumps huge amount, the price is likely to call and that's what's other investors is fearing about. The fear of left behind. But there are few out there who are still waiting for the development because they knew that could make huge gain if they wait for the finished product. But that's risky also. It could book or not. So what else do they do?

That is the harsh true , yes :(. Investors care nowadays to list on good exchanges like " When binance ? when moon ? " and this can only hurt the project because those investors who are asking for good exchanges without a working product are those who are looking to get rich quick or over night spamming " When lambo ? ". What they don't know is that good exchanges won't list them even if they pay the fee in order to be there as they don't have a working product that have tested and already ready to be implemented.

Personally, I'm the guy who patiently waiting for the project to get a strong working product and deliver as much high-tech as they can and then focus in exchanges as some point they will receive tons of offers to be listed.

I totally agree with it. If you are investors, are you not happy when your investment will double in just few months or even more than that? That is why most of the investors didn't care about the project itself they only care for their return of investment.

Most of the investors are investing their money as they think that they can easily get a profit therefore a project that needs more development rather than focusing on marketing and exchanges it will be best that they should stop any fundraising or else they will receive lot's of complains from the investors. Raising a funds will help the development faster therefore if they are taking too long to develop the project it only means that they don't know how to use the funds that they gather in order to speed up everything.

Can't dwell with those people. Of course they wanted to see their money grows. I think most investors are like this, but of course there are people who believe in the project even for long term, but this is rare cases. Also noticed that investors now, wanted a get away quick rich scheme. So they tend to invest in IEO rather focus on product development. If its about product and services, I'll invest in huge firm such as Libra and Gram those two are probably big and has potential for long term.

Developers should understand the motivation of investors, they invited developers to support their project, they are not supporting it out of charity, they want to see it's potential in the market as well, the investors will always request exchanges because the parameters to see if the coin has a good future or will be supported, I will not be surprised if this kind of project will land a complaint in the scam section.

Most investors are investing in a project because of income and not in the product or project. That is why a lot of investors always ask for exchange listing when investing in a new project. I am not saying that listing a new project into an exchange right away is bad, but investors must understand that this would only slow down the project development because of the amount of money that would cost the team to get listed in a decent exchange which should have been used for the product development.

Hard truth but yes. Most of the ICO investors are in the project because they want a quick profit. I know a lot of people within my circle that are ICO hunter back in the old days when ICO was still a hype. They always look for ICOs and they don't do much research about it and they just invest their money and wait for the listing and sell their tokens at a 20-50% return.

Announce with exchange market fro ICO coin very excited for investor than ICO announce with their real product, give very positive effect price and increase higher than 50% if ICO announce new exchange market than publish with new product adopt by an altcoin, new product not give positive effect for price increase to higher and keep not interested with investor.

It's because those investors are the new breed of them, that don't really care about growing a product and a long term investment, they just want some quick profits from crypto, and having liquidity means easier profits.

Most of these investors are coming from the real market and are coming in with the mindset that crypto is essentially just free money in the current state, and they obviously get impatient when they don't get their way.

I agree with you, the investor prefers a quick profit when the ICO or IEO is finished so that their money continues to spin not on hold by the project's still growing party. So most ICO or IEO is now no longer in demand because their projects are rambling and very long to list on market exchanges.
Although the list on the exchanges is faster the price also often drops from investors forecasts and makes losses. It has been this way the crypto development today, we have to follow their flow or will be left later in the future.

Because they have no problem with listing on several exchanges anymore. That's worthy of a toast mate. Though I find it little bit complicated 'cause what if they failed after that right? Listing is more like just a waste. Nevertheless, they might be able to see more an inspiration to furthermore push through on their way to success though still a long way to go.

Yes, I agree, the fact is that investors are more interested in ICOs who announce their partnership with the  exchange, rather than with their products. ICO or IEO which has partners with well-known exchanges like Binance will surely be successful, because that's how investors assess ICO or IEO projects.

Most investors are all about the money there's no value anymore for the project to be fully developed, there's no time for them to wait but to liquidated the soonest that they can to gain profits. It's all about the money and how investors can make even little amount of benefits from the project that they've invested. There's no believers anymore who will wait for the full success of the project since the due to market situations  there's no longer confidence behind each new projects that being introduced, most turned to scam or unsuccessful and failed.

I agree with your observation here. I think the main factor is that by getting listed in exchange investors has an option to get their investment out of the project and nowadays we don't have hodlers like we used to have earlier keeping in touch with developments.

I think it's because most of investors are less confident nowadays when they invest in project. They are eager to take their money out. Perhaps they are mostly newbies. They only work according to hype and nothing else.

this is the reality that is happening right now. investors are indeed more interested in prices in the market, rather than the potential of project development. when they invest in IEO, they only have one expectation, that is, when the tokens have started to be traded in exchange the price rises. after that happens they will sell it and just leave. and in the end we will see a big dump after being listed on the exchange.

I am not one of those that only cares about the value of coins and tokens,i prefer to invest in projects with real working product for long term hold even if the price keeps falling there will always be a bottom since it is backed by a real life working product

I agree with you, but I also know how investors feel because I'm also part of them. last year I invested a lot in ICO projects, and many of them still don't have an exchange today. and there are some projects that have exchanges, not have volumes. I realize, I want my money back even though it's a little. the reason is because I've waited too long. this is normal if you have been waiting and patient for several years, and they always provide positive development information. but none of that talks about exchange.

and I don't blame them about this. but I really don't like it, if this is also done by investors who have only been a few days, investing and they keep demanding that they be listed on the exchange.

ICO investors are more interested in returns on their investment not what the project is about in most cases, hence, their excitement upon listing on exchanges. However, I do also think they are interested in project developments- especially those that can affect prices positively.

Yeah sure,  investors are really greedy nowadays, because its been a long time science a project that conducted a public ICO, made x10. Thats why nobody wants to wait for several years and give time to develop a product.

2 years of waiting is just too much if I am an investor and they have it in their roadmap and whitepaper, that they are going to list after two years, I would invest my money on Bitcoin and other top coins and not let my money sleep in their project, investors are impatient they want to see value and profit, you are not going to invest on something that is uncertain, they can do partnership but they should to their assignment and their duty to their investors by listing it to at least two exchanges.

Been an excited of the project that has invested in and the developer or the admin came up with a good news about the project and it also working towards the road map of the project, that is a real deal and there is more hope and joy, without wasting your resource, Having say that, is a Good-news to be excited on way forward of the project which can yield more profit.

Yes because if you think about the short term than listing on a big exchange means quick money, while developing product could take years. Now, especially, when people in the market are uncertain about the crypto future, listings means more than working product.  :)

I like your sincere  opinion, many investors are scared of the fact that  ; if a token stays too long to list, it will dump hard upon listing. Also, everyone is interested to sell and make profit, that's the reality. Most crypto enthusiasts now prefer to hear listing on top exchanges than huge product updates, that's the irony. I really hope we put more interest in project development, even though exchange listing is very vital.

i'm kinda confused too. why investors wants the ICO tokens/coins get listed in some exchangers immediately. they want buy some ICO with hope they can get profit when his coin get listed with a good price in some exchangers. how can the coin price is pumped since the product isn't finished yet? if you want to buy some tokens and sell it immediately just do some trading, don't become an ICO investors.

Well, most of the people who invest into ICO just want an instant profit to flip their token immediately and dump their coin into exchange anyway. It's not a something that's hard to figure out, as you can see even some investors will be mad when the coin that they invested to failed to be listed into a popular exchange despite the fact that a project need to pay an exchange so much money just to be listed there. The project that start the ICO usually in dilemma whether they'll use some portion of the gathered funds to pay for the exchange or not. it is also a fact that most of people don't care about the product developments.

I don't believe that exchanges are the main thing that project teams should think about. To enter a good stock exchange is of course important, but not the most important thing to strive for.

all investors want their money back and get profit from investing in a project and therefore investors can't wait when the tokens will be listed on the exchange, not waiting for product development they don't care about that what matters is that they can get profits quickly for example buying on ico prices with 1 $ they will not wait patiently when it will be listed on the exchange and hope the token is more than the ico sales price as soon as possible, I also like that, bullshit with project development because there are still many good projects for what a long wait, that's correct?

It's true. Because investors don't have faith in new projects, so they try at the first opportunity to sell coins and not to remember more about it. Only a few of them have a perspective in the future.

Absolutely. The fact is that most altcoin investors right now are looking for quick profits, and not long term fundamental developments.

This is why you see a lot of coins that have no real value or substance per se but being able to turn extremely quick profits as they are listed on exchanges. Exchanges provide liquidity to investors, and listings are obviously extremely bullish news.

This isn't necessarily the optimal state of the market, but it's just how it is.

Exchange listing is one of the parameters that can be used to test the viability of the product. If an ICO gets listed in a major exchange such as OKEx, Binance, or Huobi, then the investors will feel confident about holding the tokens for long duration.  And it is not practical to blame the investors, as there is a lot of insecurity out there in the market. Large number of ICOs are turning out to be scams and naturally the investors will be worried about their hard earned money stolen by the scammers. Exchange listing will act as an assurance.

Thats a fact, many investors are only after money especially if they heard the tokens are going to be listed in popular exchanges. Thus if the progress of the project is not what most investors expected they will started to rant and will demand for money back, thats the reality.

I participated in a good project last year and the progress is continuous, the dev is updating about their plan and partnership. However the tokens value are low resulting for us to hold and wait. But despite of this seeing the team trying their best to follow their roadmap, whitepaper and keep on updating the investors are good traits that we can count on.

Yes. Due to the fact that many investors are afraid of losing their money when the project has not yet entered the exchange. When seen in plain view so far, an exchange is a fundamental requirement for investors now. Because they want a quick turnover of money. Not a product update that takes years. It can run both at the same time, isn't it? Unless the developer has a large investor who has a portion of their token, the project must still be thinking about the opinion of the big investor. But most projects delay entering the exchange for fear that their coin prices will plummet. And if they are afraid of falling prices, they just buyback and burn it for development. But that is a difficult choice for project finance as well. In the end, this is no guarantee at all for investors.

actually like that, because most projects today are ending in fraud. if investors focus more on exchanges rather than developing project products because investors worry about the money they invest in projects, besides that many products do not develop properly. so if the ico project is completed and has been listed on the stock exchange at least the investor is not worried about selling their investment if the token already has its own exchange.

Basically the investors want their profit of return immediatelly so if there is a project announce will soon listed to the exchange then they will so excited to wait so mostly they have no patience to wait a little longer because postpone projects usually makes them worried the projects will never appears to the exchange and i think this is the caused too why the current investors are more likely to interested joining the projects which already listing to an exchange

ICO investors are more passionate about exchanges than product development for several reasons including, if the project token has its own exchange, investors don't have to wait long to sell tokens when the project is complete and investors prefer short-term profits rather than taking risks with projects that focus on development product. because almost 80% ICO failed in product development.

Their investment is tied to price on exchange to me I feel if a project has collected ICOs or IEOs funds, they should deliver on their promises and return value to investors money the reason why investors are  more interested in exchange than project development.

New exchange market can increase of ICO coin price and new product adoption by an ICO coin do not give impact for altcoin price, many investor are excited when hear new update for ICO announcement with listing on new exchange market, they will happy waiting for and make price will increase higher, moreover ICO team announce for listing with big exchange market like Kucoin.

True, investors want their money back quickly. well, it shouldn't be difficult to list on the market exchange if the ico is (let's say) success.
whereas the project also has nothing to lose, right? the project already get enough money from investors to develop their products.
and yes, investors currently prefer projects that are already listed on the market (at least there are guarantees available in the market) rather than having to wait for obscurity from the project team

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the market is part of traders and investors.
I myself am also confused why many project teams always postpone market listing despite the big opportunity. what are they afraid hmmmm.... (I don't quite understand either) maybe they already spent all the investor money for party (we don't know that)  ;D

In my opinion, large exchangers will be in demand by investors because they provide large liquidity making it easier for them to carry out buying and selling transactions. Coins that are listed in large exchangers for investors will look legit because it is not easy listing in large exchangers because it is through strict verification

I agree and I'm one of those who wants to see the token I've invested and promote in a good exchange, this is the purpose why people are investing in a token they want to see how good it will perform in the market, platform and exchange are two things that you cannot separate, so expect people to ask for exchanges.

I agree with you since the exchange price listing is one of the key to know if the project will be successful or not, what product are you expecting from a project whose price have dropped over 500% from the ico price when listed or traded on the exchange ?

Product development is secondary since most ico presale are interested in dumping some of the coin they bought at high discounted price and move to another project, exchange listing shall bring happiness to them.

I totally agree with you. ICO investors are treating ICOs as investment opportunities rather than projects that they will actually support. Investors are looking for a simple and quick profit without minding what the company wants to do and what they will achieve for the future.

I am not saying that investor does not have the right to their money, but since the project is already giving them update on what they are doing, I think that the best thing would have been for them to be more patient with them, because establishing a project is really not an easy task and you see many of them that has rushed into an exchange, they have rushed out too when they got whales that were already waiting to dump the project on them.

If they enter an exchange now, and a big whale that has bought many of the coin dump the coin, would they not loose, so it is better that the project rather develop to the fullest and make their product known worldwide so that even when they experience dump, the project product would have already be speaking for them.

That one is even fair, I know of a project that raised over $7 million in their presale for almost 2 years now and has refused to even conduct an ICO or IEO, instead they use the raised funds to develop their perform, the platform developement is almost complete but the keep postponing the sale up till today.

Sometimes it's not that investors are more interested in exchanges than development but the fact remains that nobody likes their funds ties up for years without any way to liquidate the tokens they were given.

I do not agree with you. Currently, ICOs are losing interest among investors, most ICOs are worthless and there are many scammers around it.

This statement its not far from the truth.  I have also discovered that the news of new exchange listing drives more FOMO than that of mainnet or product development.  This issue can be traced back to 2018 durring the bearish market many investors bought tokens based on the product the project had to offer but on the long run they end up lossing big time due to dump in price,  most investors now learnt a big lesson from those incident and most are now just after the profit an ICO can yield and not the product development. But for crypto to gain more adoption and move to mainstream investors need to stop seeing crypto as only a profit venture but look at the real solution it can offer

if the investor asks the project to register the market list because they have funds for the project, and that is one of their rights. and when the market list is available they will find out whether their funds are safe or there is a decrease in funds (loss). when it happens they must be complaining because the price is not in accordance with the price when they invest, if the Developer does his job well that is able to make their real platform work and attract market investors then the price of the token can be offset but what happens a lot is the opposite in my mind Developers are unable hold the project when the sale ends

What use of their collect a hardcap and then didnt listing their token to any good exchanges. Projects that collect a lots of fund and didnt use it correctly most likely will vanished asap after they get the money from ieos or icos. Atleast when the token get listing in the exchanges some might can sell the token and make a fast profit from it.

You must know that getting listed into exchange requires massive amount of money even I heard that listing in exchange like binance takes millions. ICO currently have a rough time gaining investor and recklessly spending money for that is an unwise decision because it could take up all the allocation for the project development. It's like they got sandwiched, you spend money for listing your project will potentially running out of funds but if you don't spend money on listing people will rage over the project and ended up losing the investors. everything is just not as easy as it may look and yeah there are some dumbass developers that use money for party aswell ofcourse that is out of the question.

Of course the investor also needs to receive the profit he or she must earn, and the bounty hunter to receive the pay of their hard-earned work.
So now we see what the investor and bounty hunter need in the immediate exchange, which we can now see in IEO or Initial Exchange Offering.

it means you disagree with OP opinion. read the post carefully

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Exchange is important, development is important too.
remember that tokens/ coins wont have value if it doesnt have any good development. "who will buy shitcoin"
IMO many people more excited with exchange just because of "hype"

Well, they are right in some ways if you check. Any product that is not listed on an exchange is less likely to succeed.
Investors need something that they can trade at any time they want and when a product is not listed on an exchange it doesn't grow, so they are not going to still waste time with it.

You can take yourself as an example, I don't think you will like to be pouring thousands of dollars on a project that is not going to make you any profit. When things are not working you are sure going to quit and switch to something different, unless you're just someone that likes being a loser and losing your money on things that don't make any sense.

I think it's natural because some investors only want to get profit when investing their money in ICO or IEO. If they believe the project will succeed in competition and good development, i think there will be many investors will choose to wait for the product to be released compared to being listed on exchangers

Of course, investors and bounty hunter to be exact because we supported that particular project until the end especially when it becomes successful, the biggest event or happening that is awaited is to be listed in some exchange so that the token that investors bought is able to sell by them if that particular token has already a lot of volumes and value, because there are some projects that are being listed but the token itself doesn't have any value, so the investors and bounty hunters are waiting until that particular token can have a price.

For sure and in my opinion it is the right point. Generally speaking, investors are those who should rule the project, because there would be nothing without their money, so I usually do not get why team members are so stubborn from time to time.

Investors refer to their previous IEO track record. all exchanges initially experience uncertainty and the first IEO occurs due to positive reactions from their own users, eventually growing into the special trust of various other investors.

Other exchanges also apply equally, but on average those who fail will not be too desirable anymore, investors don't want to experience problems and even incur a second loss. Product development is no longer attractive to short-term investors/traders, I think people like this are still more dominant than loyal ones.

We can't blame those investors because some of them are just expecting quick returns from their investment and nowadays you can only see a few investors who really believe in a project and targeting long-term goals, maybe because of what happened in the crypto market wherein the bear market stays longer than the bull market which makes them think not to hold for so long and forget about the real worth of the project.

If you do invest into these projects and the team fail to list on any decent exchange then this is the downfall of the project.  I will use Davcoin for exchange, raised more than $20 million and the team couldn't list on any decent exchange and the project now is less than $200k in Mcap the last time I check, regretted not selling and cutting short my loss

Understand that investors are looking for profit. They will push the team to add the tokens to the exchange for them to dump already. The rise of IEO is a good chance for these  investors for they know the tokens that are for sale on exchange are assured to be listed on the same exchange and the only they need to know is when the market will be open and that is when they collect their profit by dumping.

The developers are mostly looking for profit by way of hit and run. They set aside ICO funds to enroll in market exchanges and the rest are carried away by him.
So most of their projects are nonsense and finally, investors lose. So I totally agree with your problem like this. That makes CRYTPO worse in investor's image.

Only few investors are interested in the product that a project is developing and this is the reason why they careless about it. What investor want mainly is a liquidity channel which they can use to liquidate their token and move on to the next project and it's only exchange that can provide such and that's the why many investors are more excited over exchange listing than product development.

How many times do we see such complains regarding to those developers who are not real, they are just so-called teams to attract investors and afterwards runaway with the funds. Most of the time risk investors are just waiting for the chance to see the project being listed to take the advantage
to sell quickly not knowing that the scam developers have their own motives dumping the tokens that they have before investors will.

It still happening till date, projects i promoted since 2018 failed to list on exchanges till today, they always postpone or complaining about the present market condition, the truth is most new projects of today are not here for what they want to offer but here for the gains

Why should any ICO not list if they have raised good funds? The major reason investors buy ICO is the hope of making a profit when it's listed in an exchange. However, it's very important to state on the road map if they won't be listing on exchanges on time so as to avoid unnecessary asking of questions about the listing. Even projects that refuse to list can be suspected like Flashmoni keeps coming up with several excuses that are unreasonable, denying investors of privileges.

That's the saddest thing we know in all projects that existed. they want users in crypto only to gain and for their self. 80% of crypto projects are failed or run as scam. only 2 to 5 project that survive in 2018 and some of them is more on reasons. well we can expect this to happen because we know that they want money and don't want changes. let's hope for a good one in upcoming 2020 or there is still a lot of reasonable project.

Its really not easy to hold new coins for a long time without listing on exchanges so if the news do come people will be excited about it for sure, to me many new projects are red flag, why have roadmap on their projects then if new developers are too worried about market condition?

I agree with this idea. ICO investors are getting excited when a cryptocurrency startup says so. The investors will be more excited and exchanged and the product more.

I think investors will not be interested in exchanging and developing products very much because the company says it lacks facilities. There is no relevant evidence that makes us believe.

unfortunately Yes. These are so called short term traders and want to get rich in a day or two. We must understand that the more we will wait the more good returns we will receive.
Without complete product development, there is no point listing on exchanges as will only create dump.

Investors who want to invest in the long term in my opinion are very few, generally prefer the short term. Waiting for new projects to produce good products sometimes takes years and for some investors are impatient and prefer to sell when there is a chance to profit

You are telling the real situation of the crypto market now. because all ICO projects are now scams and just want to get as much investor money as possible. after that, they only spent one-tenth of their money to list the exchanges and then they didn't continue to grow their business. because they have no motivation and no investors control them.

Most people do aim to invest in the ICO just to take advantage regardless of the market conditions in advance they assume under any circumstances will make a profit, in fact this is what makes them lose, and forget about the risk Invest in Crypto.


 so you think is there no more ico legit, actually there is still exist but hard find the good one.
so you need analyze first with carefully, if there no ico that mean develovment for blockchain already is complete and there will be no further development.

Agree and believe that we have a different start up picture. Developers should do their best to bring money back to their investors, but here everything works in another way. Investors are begging devs to list on a good exchange. It does not work like that.

It is not an ICO investor but a trader who is learning to invest. So what they are waiting for is not a product, but an exchange for the token
If the developer looks for investors the right way it should not happen

Well I agree with you to an extent, the truth is many invested have faced unfriendly behaviours from some of these projects thus caring nothing more than listing on exchanges. Also, most of these projects have used the line " we are working on our products" to deceive their investors, in such groups there is no platform updates, no sign of any admin, Instead the group has turned to a spam  group, news group and all manner of nonsense. So with this, can you actually blame any investor for clamouring for listing??
In the same way, there are projects which truly know what they want and are working head-on to achieve it.

In my opinion, actually not only ICO investors but most investors are more concerned with market performance than products. Most investors prefer short-term investments, therefore many investors prefer to care about price movements. Investors sometimes do not want to wait too long for the investment to be profitable because it takes a long time for a project to produce a product

precisely ;D! because many investors really don't cares about product or development but just price and this is the main issue crypto space is having, people lay so much emphasis on the price rather than what the project can offer, how useful it will be to people, even some project owners are aware of this so they take advantage of it and not bother to be serious about development or project utility.
people will invest in a project today and expect to be a millionaire tomorrow, how is that possible, especially when the project has nothing but worthless coins to offer ::)  

They are because they have been treated in ways not encouraging. Most projects till date have not delivered 1% of what they promised with many not working according to road map.  Those who claims to be working on the product have nothing to show for as proof so why won't the invest give up, why won't they desire listing above every other things. I just see it as, they are reacting according to the hand they are being dealth with.

I think it is because we misunderstand the cryptosystem. Frankly, the most valuable and easy money we can spend anywhere is paper money so, what we all look at is where this paper money is the more. And the volatile price of crypto is perfectly suitable for this. For the majority, including us, the product or something is nothing, wherever there is profit, we are there.