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We create this topic for analyzing each complaint individually. To ultimately resolve all current misunderstandings and false "scam alert".  I wanted to deal with each punkt and eliminate the negative impact. If I missed something - please complete me.

P2PB2B Signature campaign: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5203715.0

P2PB2B Announce: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088392.msg48823121#msg48823121

P2PB2B official account - p2pb2b.io:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2509426

P2PB2B bounty account - P2PB2B Bounty Manager: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2719262

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1.  JollyGood started this topic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5192497.0
2.  JollyGood  - minus trust: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088392.msg51834549#msg51834549
1 fact:
In this list more than 20 exchanges that have a similar volume: https://coinmarketcap.com/rankings/exchanges/

2 fact:
Here P2PB2B provide 1-4 non fee accounts for Market making program. This allows to do more trading volumes: https://listing.p2pb2b.io/?_ga=2.149711985.692397089.1575240258-1493963687.1575240258

3 fact:
Some of P2PB2B clients have special conditions that motivate them to trade and make various kinds of transfers using P2PB2B exchange, but unfortunately the legal department points on the NDA.

4 fact:
All accusations in these two topics have no evidence or facts, only words.

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3. Minus trust from logfiles and Pamoldar for konungbarber  topic: http://archive.is/DjmMe
4. konungbarber started this topic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5166605.0

This person wrote that the problem has been solved.  But if he has problems, we can contact the user through his personal email and we will make every effort to solve it.  After unlocking the user account, there were no more messages, so we can assume that the problem is solved. Also we wrote anser earler in this post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5166605.msg51959750#msg51959750
In any case we wrote him: https://i.imgur.com/VIFS9kX.jpg

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5. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5172443.0 - minus trust from Royse777. Started by dopey
6. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5163367.0 - minus trust from dopey. Started by dopey

As Mr. Dopey mentioned in the topic-starting post, the withdrawal request was freezed due to divergence between the withdrawal amount and our financial records.  P2PB2B Security Service has initiated an investigation on this matter - unfortunately, we found that amount of THC, which was sold to this user was acquired in a non-legal way by the seller. Therefore, we rolled back the first deal of Mr. Dopey and all other deals.  The assets, which Mr. Dopey spent during these deals were fully returned to the main balance and already withdrawal.

We deeply regret that this incident occurred and acknowledge the difficulties that have been caused. In any case - this person received his money back

https://i.imgur.com/swcpYYW.png https://i.imgur.com/9fj890K.png https://i.imgur.com/IqVufti.png

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7. Joe Public started this topic:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5190513.0

At first, he should write to the p2pb2b.io support service. Then we can solve his problem.
Before considering this allert relevant, let him provide at least some proofs.

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8. DENDOGODNED started this topic:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5160442.0

Even considering the fact that this is his mistake, we can help him. If this person will provide his registration mailbox for support services, we can help him with returning. I would like to quote the words of one smart user. It's hard to add something here
https://i.imgur.com/jhtZqCN.png

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9. vejonkaren started this topics:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5166081.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5166049.0

He send 50 sem (minimum deposit) but there was still a commission of 0.005 sem. He make mistake and didn't count commission. And it's turned out that he make deposit with the amount that less than the minimum deposit and coins didn’t enter his account.
And after 32 hours we returned him 50 sem.

This user get back moneys - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5166049.msg51946092#msg51946092

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10. vejonkaren started this topic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5169364.0
  
This accusation is based only on his assumption

This Russian-speaking person is a terrible boor, we will post screenshots of how he interacted with the support service. It is impossible to speak adequately with him.If you're interested, here is the translate:

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11.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5202319.msg53106551#msg53106551

 He did not indicate any proofs of what had happened. Similar issues are resolved through the support service.
This topic posted from hacked account, more over - with negative trust:
https://i.imgur.com/1EZXkCK.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/JacDtnY.jpg

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12. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5209604.0

At early stages both exchanges were developed by one team - so the initial conception and solutions maybe quite similar. But it was long ago. Now platforms are separate, P2PB2B is absolutely independent projects.

Estonia is transparent and stable EU jurisdictions with cryptocurrency regulation. And it is good choice for cryptocurrency exchanges.
More over, companies have different directors, here you can see for yourself:

https://coinsbit.io/
https://www.teatmik.ee/en/personlegal/14828702-ITEcosystem-O%C3%9C

https://p2pb2b.io/
https://www.teatmik.ee/en/personlegal/14572266-Partida-Services-O%C3%9C

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13. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5209604.msg53669195#msg53669195

There is absolutely nothing strange here, because the company is registered in Estonia as PARTIDA SERVICES OÜ, accordingly, the e-mail adress shown on www.e-krediidiinfo.ee derived from the registered name PARTIDA SERVICES OÜ.

On the official website p2pb2b.io of the P2PB2B company, you can find the email address in accordance with the domain p2pb2b.io.

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14. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5209604.msg53700251#msg53700251

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PS:

vejonkaren -  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=11725
It looks like an account that is bought or hacked:

Date Registered: May 08, 2011
Password changed: August 15, 2018 https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=vejonkaren
Date first post: August 15, 2018

Context for this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5192497.msg53203883#msg53203883. Watching.

I am too watching the thread. Will active the notification after making this post.

Here what I found again your exchange: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5172443.msg52068416#msg52068416

Good to see an initiative. Let's see where it goes.

Good luck.

By looking at the accusations against your exchange, I think it would hardly take you some years to solve this all or probably never.

Just a good luck from me for your fake fight !

The same can be said for pretty much any exchange; don't let your bias cloud your judgement and let them try to resolve their issues rather than attacking them for trying.

I can understand insane volume on exchanges that operate with 0% fees for regular trades as these are my favorite to trade and even I can put down insane volume on them, but this exchange is claiming 0.2% fees on all trades, and $1,281,749,865 in volume per day, and therefore raking in a massive $2.5MM in revenue per day?

Is this true? Or are you allowing some users/bots to trade with no or very low fees?
Is their some explanation for this or are you claiming that you are actually making $2.5mm per day in trade fees and it is all legit charged volume?


Good plan, nice quote..

I am glad they are trying to address the issue here rather than rebirthing again with another project. But they are engaged in showing fake volumes of cryptos on there exchange which is simply not common for any decent exchange.

surprising what the people can do to force an exchange to really comply and answer the accusations and fix it. i wouldn't say if it weren't for the bounty campaign they are planing to do here, they wouldn't be doing all these but i think P2Pb2B somehow is serious about rebuilding the reputation they have. maybe its time to also ask about the IEO in their exchange, are you OP the right person to ask related to projects doing IEO?

That's commendable.  I'll go through the list and lend my opinion, for what it's worth.



I must admit, this looks pretty shady.  I had never heard of your exchange before these scam accusations started popping up.  I find it hard to believe you've got the trading volume that the screenshot suggests.  Personally, I don't think it's worthy of a red-tag or a flag.  It does however suggest that you may be manipulating information that's passed on to CMC.  If that's the case I suggest you don't.  No exchange can be trusted if they are suspected of manipulation and false advertising.



I suspect JollyGood thinks your response is a lie?  It sounds like a made up excuse to me, but again, I wouldn't red-tag over it.  Coinsbit definitely looks like a Ponzi, and it wouldn't be good if you were proven to be affiliated.  Having said that, I don't see any solid proof of such.



It's an archive link, it points the same post as number 6 on your list.

Numbers 5 through 11 are the concerning part for me.  That's a lot of dissatisfied customers, and if it were my business I would want them happy with the way I handled adversity.  I'm looking forward to seeing how these situations are handled, and I'll look through them more carefully as I have time.

Sorry about the archive that does not load. It was basically of this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5166605.0 like someone stated above.

As you can see my feedback, it's about a number of accusations that were raised against you recently and you acted too stubborn to resolved them. If resolve the issues. I will remove or change my tag to neutral.

I believe if you acted this way from the beginning, things would be different by now.

Sorry dear, Volumes prevent you from trading there? I do not quite understand your charge! why does it bother you so much? With this approach, you can make a list of all exchangers and blame them.

Tell me which exchange does not engage in fake volumes, or are you that naive?

I will welcome their initiative to resolve all accusation against them. I am not sure how they will do it, but something is better than nothing. If at least few accuser get respond from them and resolve the issue that's good for us. Because we can't help them ourselves except red tag. If we see deeply then we will found few trouble on most of exchanges. But finding solutions if more effective way to resolve such as issue. Lots of exchange accused here, but sadly they do not responding to solve. In that angle OP is better than them. We can't prevent them promoting their platform here, its quite difficult to tag all participants. So let's try to resolve some issues those are pending.

Binance (https://www.binance.com/en).


At least it's proved that the visitors on P2PB2B land on exchange for a very less time compared to a normal exchange.

You're a funny and naive one indeed. No worries, you'll learn how the real world works soon enough.

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Seems they have updated the thread and handled accusations 7 though 10.

I forced them to start an escrowed campaign. (Still waiting)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5203715.msg53170993#msg53170993

That was the only thing I could do, to ensure that participants will be paid. And I guess they found Lauda as an escrow, which means 100% safe campaign. There are a lot of scam accusations and some People think that this exchange is a scam (Including me). Exchange representatives are denying accusations. So, let potential traders read what is mentioned in scam accusations, study supporting evidence and make up their own minds.

Yeah, it should start any day now and that's the very least that I can do.

You forced them did you?
I'm not sure what to think about "forcing" them to escrow anything.. Escrow is an option and not something that should be "forced" I think..  



How convenient.. Surely it will be 100% safe now...


It is suddenly OK to advertise scams as long as they are using escrow?


So you would have tagged participants if they didn't escrow? Or, you won't tag if they do use escrow?
WTF does them escrowing campaign funds have anything to do with it being a scam or not?

Are you some sort of authority who can "force" them to escrow and give them the "go ahead" to advertise a scam?


Well no shit bounty hunters are eager to make some scratch by spamming advertising no matter if it a scam they are shilling or not.. They/many don't care as long as they can get their piece of the action..


So, does this set the precedent that DT is going to allow the advertisement of scams as long as they escrow their advertisement funds?
All these poor bounty hunters should be able to make some coin by advertising scams and ponzis as long as it is escrowed for the sake of protecting these poor bounty hunters from the scammers that they are advertising for?



This could be interpreted as facilitating a scam or at the very least now a conflict of interest..



Hmm....

There is no conflict of interest other than you trying to attack me for calling you out on your bullshit virtue-signalling on everything.

There is absolutely no proof of this inasmuch there is no proof of other exchanges doing this. Only half-baked accusations, of which there are plenty for pretty much every exchange.

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What's the point of this system if you don't encourage accused parties of resolving their misdeeds or "claimed misdeeds"? Oh right, if someone else was to escrow this you'd keep quiet as always. ::)

More proof of this scam:

https://twitter.com/AngryBeur/status/1191416253564571650

It's been said & proven many times by numerous forum members & web researchers that this is a copy paste exchange scam by Valerii Solodovnyk - anyone promoting this scam will be disappointed.

I won’t be surprised if this is a JollyGood account ;D

Their is conflict of interest in your opinion of their scamminess now that you are in business with them..
I'm still trying to decide if it is a "scam" that should not be advertised, or not, and now your opinion on the matter is possibly biased because you jumped in bed with them..
mosprognoz seems to still think it's a scam..

I was mostly interested by the "forced" part TBH is why I ended up making the post..

They were trying to start a Sig campaign without escrowing the funds. I "forced" them to find a reputable escrow for securing funds. Because in the Sig campaign thread there was not a single word about escrowing promised payments funds. After that, they found Lauda, who is one of the most trusted forum users and they are about to reach an agreement. The meaning of all this is that, any bounty campaign of any project even with one scam accusation must be escrowed via any reputable member, who offers such services. Is that project scam or not, must be decided by potential customers themselves after reading all related information. (Scams are not moderated on this forum.)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5203715.msg53174942#msg53174942

They would run that sig campaign WITH or WITHOUT escrow. So now they are forced to escrow funds. WHICH one is better?

I just do not understand, why did you get involved in this conversation with some "smart statements" and ruined your legendary account with a red tag?

This is incorrect..

You should never "force" anyone to escrow.. They rightfully can choose not to escrow..

If you look here in the  Overview of Bitcointalk Signature-Ad Campaigns [Last update: 01-Dec-2019] (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615953.0) thread you will find that roughly half of the current Bitcoin paying signature add campaigns are not escrowed..

You very well should recommend escrow or warn participants that their is no escrow, but you don't "force" escrow..

If they are a scam then escrow is the least of your worries because then you red tag every participant for advertising scams.. Which is done ALL THE TIME..
And, I'm not sure a reputable escrow would escrow a signature campaign for a scam..
Would you escrow a signature campaign for a ponzi?
 


That has come to my attention and I have been thinking about it so thank you for bringing that up for me..

My "legendary account" and greater identity are in no way "ruined" by Lauda's comment..
If it diminishes me in any way it would only be to those who are ignorant..

In fact, it does Lauda more harm than me.. Or will do..
If you are in the know around here, when you see it, you will immediately realize that it is abuse of default trust, and basically just nonsense..

This will make Lauda look very bad for doing it, to anyone who's opinion I care about..
If you think it is right, you may want to think about it again..

I may mount a full defense if I have to, but it is so blatant that I'm thinking, I might not even have to mount a full defense myself..

Go ahead and get some talk going on about it before Lauda has a chance to rethink their decision here to save face..


I think @Lauda the sooner you remove it, the better it will be for you, before I, or anyone else, takes a stand against it..

Nope. Double-standards in forum escrowed forks, and the same is happening yet again here against me. Once you stop being a lying cunt and stop selectively applying your "values" depending on who the target is, then I might consider you to be non-malignant.

Again, it's a double standard. They'd scream and shout for the option that can cause less damage, assuming that I was not the one who was asked/was about to help them. ::)

I'm not in business with anyone. You are lying yet again whilst pretending to try and do good, yet again. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Watching this discussion.

the fact is that almost all the accusations are coming from Newbies and they are not properly posted. Most of them complain to locked account and impossibility to withdraw funds, mainly low-level tokens or altcoins. I contacted once his support about withdrawal and I got an answer that they are doing it manually, so I'm not sure why they have a problem and lock accounts.


I think, escrow, in this case, is a minor problem. They will use Lauda's as an escrow and it solved, but the safety of his user funds is a much more serious topic.


I find somewhere, only a 15 exchanges report "almost" real volume. if they blow up, it is 10-15% while p2pb2b report $250k+ volume even if they have less than $200 (example: check Dogecoin)
I would like to hear from P2PB2B Bounty Manager (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2719262) what they will do about it?

This exchange had a lot of scam accusations and they tried to start a sig campaign. Because all that accusations, there was a big possibility that sig campaign participants could be scammed. That's why I interfered and demanded to escrow the campaign via reputable member and provided a list of such users. They found Lauda, who is one of the most trusted forum members and now it's up to them, if the agreement will be reached or not. I am not planing to investigate all cases regarding that exchange, but at least I made sure that sig campaign participants will not be scammed. THAT IS DONE ! ans now I am out of this thread and discussion.

Have a nice day
Alex

Guys I don't know why you are fighting each other here? If someone from exchange come here for resolution then bring up here all the problems related that exchange. And we can see how they are going to resolve all accusation and its reasonable or not. On the other hand, they are not forcing anyone to join their campaign either escrow fund or not. Were we able to prevent Yobit & Livecoin campaign previously? Even reputed managers left their campaign they ran from their own panel/account. If you visit all exchange you will find something wrong everywhere. There is thousands users and it will continue. What we did when Exchange CEO skip with cold wallet? Nothing. Since OP encourage to resolve issues let him do, please stop blaming each other.

Why does it have to be JollyGood?
Look at the posting histories and patterns of both accounts and you will realize that your judgement is totally wrong.

This thread? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4895354.0
I didn't even post in that thread..


Did you not take the position of escrow for them?



When Cryptsy was crashing and screwed us all many of us, including me, came here as Bitcointalk noobs and at first were accused of just trolling/fudding Cryptsy..
At one point in time I was that noob coming here because I was being fucked by an exchange.. So it does happen..

We gave answers to all alarms. Now we hope on the community. What we should do next?

Yeah, that's true this is a good opportunity for those with issues with P2PB2B  to bring it on as the exchange representative is very much willing to settle the issues, they ask for Escrow and they contact Lauda to be their escrow, and so far they are addressing their issues if anyone who has other issues this is his opportunity to ask to get it to resolve.
Hopefully, Lauda agreed to escrow if they proceed with the campaign.

Reading all the conversation and how you are trying to resolve the issue then you are good to go and if there's an additional concern from other members then continue resolving it, but I agree on the escrow, and congrats of your choice if Lauda is willing, Livecoin and Yobit launched a campaign also but did not go this way in resolving those issues.

With all the twisting, turning, excuses, and reality called out as lies it is hard to know ... but it looks like it is going down like this...

So just to recap... Lauda's known gang have BULLIED a project to use LAUDA's escrow service?  is this correct?

Because someone said this should not have happened then Lauda gave them red trust??

Is this correct?  I smell some nice EXTORTION going on here.

So they were being called a scam and getting flack but if they use laudas escrow ( and pay him some funds) they can go ahead??

Are these cliff notes correct? Seems like  some " possible"  new material for my BLACKMAIL and EXTORTION thread in meta.

Now lauda says if you stop saying things I do not like I may consider you non-malignant.... is this like benign ?? hmmm very tasty.

No, mosprognoz just asked them to use any escrow not Lauda specifically.


Sadly, YES !

Yes, so merely a co-incidence they chose laudas escrow, one of mosprognoz's best pals I guess.  Funny that.

How much is it going to cost them? what is lauda's cut?

Always comes down to money with lauda. You say ANYTHING, however true or correct and he does not like it.  He immediately reaches for red trust to silence or seek to control the person.

Looks a some nice material for the old blackmail/extortion thread.

So

1. moronpigsnoz laudas pal feels the project looks like a scam

2. FORCES them to use escrow ( how does he force them)? that sounds like extortion/blackmail right there.

3. The project then randomly select laudas escrow?? lauda was not part of the "enforcement" previously with moronpigsnoz was he per chance ??

4. Eddies says

a/ you should not FORCE people to use escrow
b/ the escrow will not stop it being a scam


5. Lauda feels eddies words are not in LAUDAS best financial interests so gives him red trust

6. Lauda then says if you stop saying things I do not want you to say I " may " removed the red trust

just trying to get the cliff notes without reading pages of laudas scum gangs excuses, lies, perverted reasoning, and tourettes laden sexually deviant garbage.

I see lots of separate stages here that exceed the alice/bob phone stealing threshold for blackmail/extortion.

I wish that were the case, would have definitely been more fun. Sadly it isn't. Good luck with your theories, stay creative!

We are ready to solve all user issues arising in the process of using our exchanger. Since we have already raised this topic, this should signal that we have chosen a truly professional support and are learning from our mistakes. We ask users who set the flag and the red trust to treat this with understanding and give us the opportunity to prove that we deserve positive feedback.

We have fulfilled our agreement and are ready to launch a signature campaign with escrow, so that there would be no contentious issues among DT. We hope that bitcointalk.org community will earn money on this campaign. And no one will be marked with red trust.
We are ready to start the campaign, and bring more than $1000 every week thrue escrow. But, negative trust must be deleted from P2PB2B Bounty Manager and p2pb2b.io as the trust greatly affects on the participants.

You know what? you cannot please everybody here you can try that's all you can do if you want to resolve the issues no one should stop you, if you want to start a campaign and you meet the requirements, just do it or forever hold your peace.   :D

you can ask them to remove but i doubt they will though. those guys are known to have been marking users doing sketchy activities. but you can go ahead with your signature campaign even with the negative rep, it doesn't affect the campaign as long as you have the escrow and also not a moderated thread because that one is also a sketchy activity. the only who do that are the ones who has plans to delete posts.

oi princess, stop punching above your weight and demanding things. This is a community and the community will decide not you!

I can't believe my eyes what I am reading in this thread  :o

First thing first, @p2pb2b
Address this https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/dz4snw/i_think_p2pb2b_exchange_scammed_nearly_3000_from/f86sx19/ here. I am interested in Svitlana - Valerii  relationship and his role in Coinsbit ponzi exchange (for now).

Don't waste it buried in some thread if it turns out to be true..



Some stuff..

Like i said before, I am more than willing to remove my negative trust if the complainant's issues have been resolved (I mean the scam accusations that were raised in the scam accusations board of you locking out people's money)

I haven't seen any owner of the threads come out and say that the issue has been resolved. Maybe what you should do it tell those people to comment here and confirm that they have been helped

Some of them do not have proofs to show at all, like this idiot that just posted without showing proof and how are they going to answer when they are not log in anymore and just here to ask for loans and post baseless accusations
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5202319.msg53106551#msg53106551

profile of this idiot
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1035779

trust rating of this idiot
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1035779

By marking in red, you have assumed the responsibility of a judge.

It turns out that you draw conclusions based on the evidence of the prosecution, and the fact that the accused party provided you with reasoned evidence with screenshots of transactions and support dialogs is not a weighty fact for you to revision the charges.

You have a strange justice.

Let me introduce you to One-Above-All mentally sick troll and paranoid schizophrenic.

Here is his trust page https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2580400

Here are some more interesting details about him. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5138419.0

Strongly believes in conspiracy theories, devils and ghosts. Thinks that everyone on this forum are his enemies and especially DT members. I recommended him to visit a doctor many times, but he is refusing of doing so.

Just check the topics started by him.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;threads;u=2580400;sa=showPosts

Btw thanks for recommending an escrow I'm thinking of joining a campaign but I read that there's a possibility of yobit refilling the wallet or not,
it's hard decision, but if the manager is honest and there is escrow, like all the other bounty, are doing. I might weigh my option, the holiday season is coming and this is a good choice of signature.

We turned for escrow. This man advised us to create a topic in order to refute the red trust and safely launch a signature campaign, so as not to expose the participants to risks as last time.
That's actually, we wrote a responce on each  red trust point, even more. But those who put red trust are in no hurry to drop the charges. You wrote wise thing:  


A lot of guys write me in PM with questions: "when you start the campaign, holidays are coming", "we need money for happy holydays :)" etc... We are interested in launching the campaign as soon as possible. We will bring more than $ 1000 to the forum, every week. But, still waiting for the problem with the trust to be resolved so as not to expose participants to the risks. That's the reason for this delay.

mosprognoz, can you give one more good advice on how to speed it all up?

They're afraid of a flag but check livecoin flag https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2650265, but they still manage to push with the campaign and it was a long campaign, I hope they can include junior member been out of bounty, I can't even remember the last one  :D

You missed this post and answer to it. I'm also interested in your side of the story here.

I am not sure about Lauda's position regarding this. Did they reached a deal regarding escrow of the funds? If yes, then open a new topic and start your sig campaign. Nobody can stop you, even if your exchange is an obvious scam, because due to forum politics scams are not moderated.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0
 

Regarding all that scam accusations. As I stated here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5205331.msg53232333#msg53232333

"Let potential traders read what is mentioned in scam accusations, study supporting evidence and make up their own minds."

If you ask me, I am still considering it as a scam due to connections with coinsbit scam exchange and other facts posted by Jolly in his thread.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5192497.0

If we will start to talk about the ethical side of advertising such exchange, that will lead us very far, because there were a lot of campaigns, advertised by some reputable members and at the end they turned out to be scams or at least failed projects.

The dev has set up this thread because he believes things will be resolve here
I hope the other party knows this issue so he can come forward and bring his issue here, it's her opportunity, so while resolving the issues, there should be no hindrance on campaign if they want to, it's a good continuity, resolving the issue plus running a campaign win win situation for all the concern parties, this is just my two cents worth of thought.

Cool story. You missed this:

That is a very silly excuse. If only one neg tag from DT member is stopping you from starting of this bloody sig campaign, than buy a new legal copper member account and start the promised campaign. I will wait for couple of days and if nothing happens, I will consider this promised sig campaign as a scam and will stop any communications with them. I tried to do almost everything to help them regarding mentioned campaign, but it seems to me, that I just wasted my time.

Now you are suggesting he evade red trust by using multi accounts?

Why do you want this campaign to run so badly?
How are you so ignorant of proper business etiquette here?

You don't "force" escrow..
You don't advertise for scams, escrow or not..
You don't just create a new account to evade red trust..
"Legal" is not a descriptor of legitimacy..
LEARN

You trying to step up as some position of authority to "resolve" anything is laughable while stating so many utterly distasteful propositions..
I am almost in disbelief..

I think he is implying buying a copper membership, it's cheap than buying an account, buying account will cast doubts on the character so it is buying copper membership

what's the point of buying a new copper element?
What would JollyGood leave a new review again?
there is such a thing as a “agreement is more expensive than money”

Anyone can buy a copper member account any time. That is completely legal.


p2pb2b bounty campaign manager is very concerned about red trust and mentioning it as a reason for delay. I really do not know what will Jolly do, but you can ask him yourself. I just offered a solution for that situation.

"Legal" is not a thing!!!
Making a new account does not let you escape your feedback..

What a preposterous proposition from someone supposedly trusted..

I suggested that, because p2pb2b is trying to use a red tag as an excuse for the delay of their sig campaign. If that is the real reason than that is the only way out of this situation, if Jolly will not tag the account again. All I am trying to do is to convince that dudes starting a new escrowed sig campaign, but it seems to me that I'M JUST WASTING MY TIME.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5201132.msg53074902#msg53074902

Please stop posting off topic related posts, you can be banned for that. This threat has nothing to do with your relationship with Lauda and with a freedom of speech.

That's my signature.. lol

BTW. That is another good reason for a ban.

I think you are incorrect once again sir..

The system automatically recognized suspicious activity. Platform security team is checking this right now.
We are very careful about it. And all suspicious transactions are automatically blocked for safety.
P2PB2B trying to secure users. The situation is already under consideration and is nearing completion.
If we are going to raise here every question that concerns the safety of users - this can last forever, these are working questions that concern every exchanger daily and P2PB2B is no exception. The bottom line is that they are all decided by the support and security service, unfortunately, not at such temp as users want, but we must do everything according to the security service regulations.
https://i.imgur.com/M8MHtXY.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/Su29GJP.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/AvjrePZ.jpg


 P2PB2B is an independent self-developing exchange. The people indicated there are not familiar to me. We think that some people, maybe competitors have personal unfriendly relationships with this people and want to do harm for P2PB2B in incomprehensible way.

Let the mods decide if someone can use a quote from another user's post as his signature. I am out of this thread till Tuesday. I hope that time will be more than enough for p2pb2b to resolve some issues, start a sig campaign and show us some credibility.

Like we haven't heard this one before...


Ok, I don't take your accusation of interference personally.. I understand how you could think that..

The truth is, mosprognoz has done you an utter disservice consulting/representing you here because it is showing that they have absolutely no idea what they are talking about..
Their suggestions and actions on how to handle your situation are piss poor, some outright unethical, and your escrow Lauda hasn't even come to straighten it out, who I damn well know does know better..

I suggest you find a better, more educated, and unbiased consultant.. (No, not me)

Are you suggesting that these information are not true:

Coinsbit:
https://www.teatmik.ee/en/personlegal/14438036-EXRT-Services-O%C3%9C
https://twitter.com/c0insbit/status/1051157909030227968

P2PB2B:
https://www.teatmik.ee/en/personlegal/14572266-Partida-Services-O%C3%9C

Is it Valerii Solodovnyk https://creditreports.ee/partida-services-ou you are not familiar with or?

I am the account holder that is trying to withdraw my XTZ for almost 2 weeks. There is NO suspicious activity, your security team are wrong or are lying!! I deposited XTZ 2 weeks ago to participate in VIAZ IEO. I exchanged XTZ to VIAZ but VIAZ IEO got cancelled and i received XTZ back in my account. But after a while i tried to withdraw and i couldn't. XTZ deposit and withdrawal was disabled. These messages to support are mine!

Support messaged me again 2 days ago and said "Dear user, we double check all the information, please reload the page and check your account" so then i tried to withdraw again and got confirmation email, i confirmed and then it linked me back to the website saying " Queueing withdraw confirmation. Wait for few seconds" now its been 2 days and i dont see my XTZ in my wallet. I have never traded on p2p and there is no suspicious activity. I have been long time in crypto, don't try to blame it on "suspicious activity". Give my XTZ back, its worth $3000 dollars!! I see it in my account but they don't let me withdraw it. A scam is happening right now here or it is a big mis understanding from p2p, proof everyone you are not a scam exchange and transfer my XTZ, thank you!

Here you can see my account with my XTZ still there! Can't believe this mess!

https://i.imgur.com/jh42BDJ.jpg

They think people will forget their scams just because they are offering a bribe under the guise of a bounty program. I am astounded how gullible some users in this forum have become just in order to make some money by jumping on-board the bounty program.

They are trying a new approach of indirect bribing just in the hope of repairing their irreparable reputation. Their bounty program / bribe technique will be a futile attempt ending up in inevitable failure.

I'll definitely support you on all your investigations and findings of any project that looks dubious, but P2PB2B offers a different approach this time, they want to resolve the issue in a transparent manner, by creating this thread, looks valid and good chance for those issues, who would not have want to get the issues to resolve so let's give them a chance to resolve these issues and other those with scam accusations can follow this lead also.

That link posted some weeks ago but is a convenient reminder about the low-life scammer from Ukraine called Valerii Solodovnyk who is behind multiple fake exchanges.

Don't be stupid, look at the date when i wrote the feedback and then cross-reference with the accusations i was basing on. You can also use OP to make reference before you come here commenting aimlessly.

No, you have strange thoughts

When multiple people come out complaining about the unfairness of the exchange then it implies there is some truth to the accusations and not just a coincidence. My conclusion came as a result of multiple accusations and i said i would remove my feedback or change it to neutral if the said accusations were resolved... simple as that.


Whoever you are trying to hide behind the sockpuppet shill accounts, what you are trying to do in this thread is bringing more harm than good towards P2PB2B's efforts of trying resolve this issue.

I will leave this here for future reference

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/07/19/naEhw.png  https://talkimg.com/images/2023/07/19/naI09.png

Last online time interval of both @ataArt  and @pilosopotasyo is just 10 minutes and are seen commenting one after the other in the thread a couple of times

- ataArt Profile Archive (http://archive.md/CnerL#selection-359.0-359.30)
-  pilosopotasyo profile Archive (http://archive.md/oF9u7#selection-359.0-359.30)
- Thread Achive (http://archive.md/B4vnp)

I stand by that claim...

Just because a scammer runs one bounty campaign using an escrow from a member of this forum does not negate all the facts including the multiple fake exchanges and multiple sending of fake data to CMC and all the cases of selective scamming.

Reading the excuses from community members who should know better as they want to jump on-board this bounty campaign is extremely disappointing as there is no justification to promote a scam or scammer. Reading posts containing things like "other exchanges send fake data to CMC" and "other exchanges inflate their volumes" does not make it right. Anyway, not all exchanges selective scam users and not all exchanges participate in fake IEOs using fake teams and promote them aggressively since they will be the ones to pocket the cash.

Not all exchanges are run by a criminal group headed by Ukrainian scammer Valerii Solodovnyk who is behind many fake exchanges.

As an example, if someone operates 100 fake exchanges stealing USD$ millions on a yearly basis but decides to operate one scam-free genuine exchange, that exchange cannot be promoted because it cannot negate his other scams. As far as p2pb2b is concerned it is not a scam-free enterprise, on the contrary it is a scam that recently claimed to be the biggest exchange in the world but their Alexa rankings show it as a complete lie  ::)



Thank you for the post.

I also would support any action of resolutions offered by p2pb2b but only after they make an admission of guilt on the following facts including but not limited to:

- they are sending fake trading volume data to CMC and will stop doing it from now onwards
- they will list all the exchanges Ukrainian scammer Valerii Solodovnyk is behind
- they will pull the plug on promoting all fake IEOs taking place across all their fake exchanges
- they will list all the fake IEOs they were a part of using fake teams just to steal from investors
- they will explain in clear detail how much money they made from the JewelCoin pump and dump a couple of months ago

If they continue to multi-scam on one hand and then try to improve their reputation on the other hand, that paradox speaks for itself.

If they want to come clean and own up to their previous misdemeanours and truly want to change their ways then I will be happy to read about it but using a bounty campaign to bribe users under the guise of rehabilitation along with promises of half-hearted resolutions with the intent of dividing the community is definitely not a good way to start.

I've advised OP to ask others to escrow it (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=276897.0) because I have no time to read into all of the bullshit accusations any-more. To make this worse, the selective enforcement of consequences against this exchange is clearly evident. What they're being accused of, is what most exchanges are doing themselves or of that what is happening on most exchanges. Data and metrics clearly show this, with only a couple of exchanges having near 100% real volume. Sadly, this is also done by people who have excellent track-records for busting down actual problems (whether this one turns into or or not I don't care after this post). Can't be arsed to fight with misguided good doers, nor will I teach them.
I wish OP the best if they are truly genuine in resolving all of their issues, and as well as their escrow of choosing. My rating on eddie13 is stays up until he stops posting lies and starts apologizing. Mission accomplished. Any and all false counters (wrong references, reasoning, etc.) will be countered unless theymos PMs me to withdraw the rating. As a courtesy to you, I'm not going to threaten you with consequences (similarly to how I'm being threatened here and there) for supporting a fraud and liar like eddie.

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This is not the old trust system any-more. Learn and adapt and don't waste your time. Thanks.

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Missed this segment:
I have not ever been in business with these people, nor did I know anything about them before I was approached. I have delayed accepting it while I looked into it. Delaying accepting or rejecting is not "being in business with somebody".

I do not want to harm anyone and do good
expressed his position in this case
and about the last activity ... oh yes, you have phenomenal investigative abilities .. no offense

Lacks imagination how many browsers do we have, we have at least eight  browsers and people can open Bitcointalk on those browsers and login from their alt accounts simultaneously, so if we have 8 browsers and you have 8 you can log all your accounts simultaneously, why the hassle of login one by one when you can log all your accounts at one time  :D

I agree with you dude, they are now offer a transparent investigation on this matter. For me let give them a chance to explain and to prove to the community that they have a credibility to run the bounty and also to show to everyone here that they might be a one of the (at least) trusted exchange. For me the best thing to resolve the issue, why not if the management give all the lost money from the accuser.  ;D  ;D

No one yet had confirmed about the issues to be solved but this bounty manager demanded red trust to be removed before starting the campaign. He's got to be laughing while he gained support from you guys. I don't think he should bargain that because the moment he attempt to scam there will be a chance that he will be doing it again. Not to mention the IEOs being done in this exchange.

So should i contact police of Tallinn in Estonia? This guy from p2p claims my account is blocked because of "suspicious activity" which is utter bullshit. They have $3000 of my money, held hostage. While i never traded there before. Only thing i wanted to do is get into an IEO which got canceled and they decided to block my withdrawal and are now blaming me. What a bunch of scamming cunts! p2p exchange is blatantly STEALING their users money.

You need to try again, and if there is an error - you need to make screenshot and send it for the support service. Also put screenshots of here, so that everyone would see what you get.


It is strange that after a long period of inactivity you changed your password and wrote a negative review! Proofs:

1. https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=BitcoiNaked

2.


Even more strange is that you do not have a red trust, and it should be, because you are an account seller! Proofs:

1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1909355.msg19016634#msg19016634, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1886794.msg18740873#msg18740873, Perhaps this  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=350569)account was also sold, because there was a large period of inactivity and there was a password change 

2.

Yes, i have been inactive for a long time from bitcointalk. Someone on REDDIT messaged me after my topic on reddit about P2PB2B not letting me withdraw, and linked me to your post about me and lying about "suspicious activity", then i had to make a new password in order to post because i forgot my old password. IF YOU DONT BELIEVE ME, I CAN COME TO P2PB2B CHAT RIGHT NOW AND TALK TO SUPPORT, i will screen this for everyone to see. YOU HAVE MY DAMN XTZ, WORTH $3000, I REQUESTED WITHDRAWAL, SO GO AND SEND ME MY MONEY OR ELSE YOU ARE STEALING IT AND EVERYONE WILL KNOW. Stop emberassing yourself and your exchange! I leave this as long as you don't send my money to my wallet.

Are you claiming that he is impersonating an account holder with a stuck account balance? Or that he is outright lying about his exchange account?
Because other than that, his character does not matter if he has been scammed..

Is that the way to treat your customers or you are 100% sure person behind that account it is not your customer?

Can you address this:

Friend, carefully read this post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5205331.msg53278921#msg53278921
there are no statements, the manager asks this user to take screenshots from the history of conclusions or errors that the user does not allow to withdraw money, and send screenshots to the support and here.
with such an approach as yours this question is definitely not resolved

I'm the one from Reddit who contacted you and pointed to this thread. I know you are posted here a few minutes after my Reddit post, I guess the same person.
Some other accusations against p2pb2b, they say it is solved but we can't get a confirmation is it problem really solved.


is it really necessary to raise the noise to push you to resolve a problem with your service?


completely irrelevant fact in this case or you only solve problems to active Bitcointalk users?

You are right, they have a strategy to try to divide the opinions of the community by using bounty/bribes as a tool.

Everything related to p2pb2b has been a disgrace so yes they must be very happy gaining a little bit of support from a tiny minority of people falling for their games.

.... Meanwhile thanks to Ukrainian super-scammer Valerii Solodovnyk the p2pb2b sister company coinsbit exchange scam thread has been pumped to 108 pages of trash by sock-puppets: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5185065.0;topicseen

1. Perhaps you will never get them, because half of them are fake.
2. In this case, we have no problems with the service, I just asked him to provide everyone with a transaction history screen. is he weak?
3. You are right, this fact has nothing to do with the withdrawal of funds.
But the fact remains.



1. Judging by the fact that he has already withdrawn money and continues to accuse the exchange - this one may be a dummy person. I’ve been in such situations several times and I talked only with the support service, since only they can help solve such situation.

2. I do not quite understand how these people are associated with the P2PB2B . It’s also not clear how Coinsbit is connected with P2PB2B.
Can you give more information to relate these facts?
 

So i finally received my funds into my wallet, i do feel like i had to go through so many steps and accusations to get my money. Nontheless fair play to them to deposit my money. I can't say now that i have been scammed since they returned my money, so for me now they seem incompetent, since a withdrawal for me took 3 weeks and tons of running after my funds to get a withdrawal. Hope you fix these issues, because people like me think you are trying to scam when the communication is poor en delay is so long. Thanks anyway for letting me withdraw.

Glad to hear that you get your money back. I hope you haven't lost much in the last three weeks.
Still can't understand, why is community pressure necessary for solving ordinary thing for one exchange like enabling withdrawal. Why it takes three weeks? How many more cases like this exist in p2pb2b users which not come to complain on Bitcoitalk?

Well, congrats you could not get your money back if they have not plan to launch a campaign, so far so good let's see the rest, but I still want them to launch their campaign in other forums, this is one hostile environment, altcoins, bitcoingarden and hey Cryptotalk is moving forward
https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/cryptotalk.org#trafficstats 69,651 only after two months.

So, just to clarify:

After 3 weeks of being refused withdrawal of your funds for no reason you were then ignored, then they publicly accused you of being a fake account, then they publicly attacked you for trying to sell your account (which is not against forum rules) - until they finally they agreed to let you withdraw your funds after you published your issues here - & you thank them?

Thanks is not the word I'd use. I'm glad you got your funds back, but it is only because you (rightly) made such a loud noise about it - it also begs the question how many others they have done this to?

I hope this serves as a warning to anyone else who's thinking of using or promoting this scam exchange - DON'T!

My sentiments exactly.... just because funds were returned after the negative publicity does not make it a non-scam issue.

The coinsbit and p2pb2b scammers must have selective scammed hundreds of users but only a fraction found their way here to this forum seeking help.

I think BitcoiNaked removed the trust he left for the OP after he had access to his funds but I see now reason why it should have been removed.

I completely agree with you, nobody should ever use this p2pb2b trash scam exchange or any other operated by Ukrainian scammer Valerii Solodovnyk: https://twitter.com/AngryBeur/status/1191416253564571650

Feels good to see bitcointalk users has the power to make the exchange accountable for what they have done in the past. Congrats to BitcoiNaked you finally got your funds back.  Fixing the errors done in the past whether a scam attempt or not will have to be addressed, you wouldn't find it an expensive price to pay after all, the money isn't from the exchange owner's pocket. If you have fixed it all, your exchange will gain the trust. No pain no gain they say. Hope the campaign will continue afterwards.

Guys, can you stop shilling about his campaign? p2pb2b signature campaign has not a priority. One or two solved cases with a lot of struggle don't mean that is everything okay.
I don't think they can provide confidence in one day or two.
In any case, they can run a signature campaign even if they have negative feedback.

You summed it up very elegantly. Some users are getting excited for literally nothing.

They are scammers, that has been established long ago. They made no apology to the community for inflating their figures and sending them to CMC and they never apologised for all the known and unknown cases of selective scamming.

They think they deserve a pat on the back for refunding a couple of users they scammed and returned their rightful funds just because the victims came here to this forum to expose p2pb2b? No, p2pb2b and Valerii Solodovnyk deserve no such credit because they have no intention of doing anything except saying what needs to be said to simply apease the community while always trying to selective scam users.

I would never ever promote this p2pb2b trash or coinsbit trash or any other trash that was owned or operated by Ukrainian scammer Valerii Solodovnyk: https://twitter.com/AngryBeur/status/1191416253564571650

I still wonder if P2PB2B would have decided solve the issues if they had no plans to run a campaign around the forum. After reading through the OP, i ask my self... why now?
Is this attempt to resolve them in good faith?

We have people who brought out issues here more than 3 months ago, but they decided to turn a blind eye on them. So why the sudden interest to resolve them after a number of months?

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Moving forward because of spammers?  ;D
Good luck to them

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/14/blob37822204bfd55b7c.png

If you want to speed it up, start campaign and accept users with neg trust. They don't care if they get one more neg comment.
Later when you resolve problems will join users with neutral trust.
This is not a very elegant solution, but there is always one..

That's self-serving you have a red  trust and you will have doors open to you as members with red trust, no bounty manager will allow their project promoted by scammers of the forum, that's the first time we read a campaign for red trust, what will be the result of the campaign if that is the case.

So that you can get a chance to enroll your negged accounts?

I wonder what kind of signature campaign it would be given that i would be promoted by only red trusted accounts. I don't think it would help bring positive results to p2pb2b like they would love it to be.

I am not saying to allow everyone with a negative trust to join the campaign. There are many accounts that have red trust from users who have not been in this forum for a long time and the situation cannot be explained. There are also accounts that have red trust just for asking for the price of the account during the auction. And from many other trivial situations. I think they are not scammers and they should always have a chance. Of course, I am against accepting typical and proven scammers.

Ps. Talking about trading accounts, or my trust is not for this thread, so please leave it.

Bottom line is nobody is going to trust a negative tagged account and in most cases whatever it advertised and individuals with trusted accounts would be reluctant to join for fear of risking losing reputation. So the effect would be  negative rather than positive.

Nobody talked about trading accounts just as yet.

Agreed. There is now no way p2pb2b will ever get a good reputation. Look at the cheek of these scammers trying to use a bounty campaign as a way to bribe users in to promoting their trash.

p2pb2b are owned by a Ukrainian scammer called Valerii Solodovnyk who has multiple fake exchanges: https://twitter.com/AngryBeur/status/1191416253564571650

Anybody thinking of promoting this trash fake exchange should kindly reconsider and refrain from associating themselves with it.

Do not forget his London offshore^(fake) office, where are 826 Companies registered in the same address: W1U 6TU, 120 Baker Street, London

https://suite.endole.co.uk/explorer/postcode/w1u-6tu


https://i.ibb.co/X8tdCrF/p2p.png (https://ibb.co/X8tdCrF)

it looks like they didn't do anything right, of course, we won't get an answer to this misunderstandings.

They've just got a copper membership, there's a possibility that the campaign is going to push through I hope if there is a campaign launching they will continue to resolve all the other issues that are not yet resolved.

I am watching.

The very first picture I searched for (Max - Head of Listing/IEO) turned out to be a reversed fake stock image:

https://yandex.com/images/search?url=https%3A%2F%2Fp2pb2b.io%2Fimg%2Fabout%2Fmax.png&rpt=imageview&cbir_id=2339956%2FBT7zy9qeDYe7ZP0VQzcTEw

I've not bothered looking up the other guys on their site, no point. One fake team member says enough for me - it's a scam alright.

Edit: Archive of team, before they remove them....

https://archive.is/h2geC

And even after all the evidence that was presented against these p2pb2b scammers they actually had some members in this forum interested in promoting them  ::)

... criticism, they were still stupid enough to leave something like that up..

This is not a stock image, but information from a search. Any reasonable person will follow the link and see that you are a liar. How much do you get paid for looking for dirt on this campaign?

https://yandex.com/images/search?url=https%3A%2F%2Fp2pb2b.io%2Fimg%2Fabout%2Fmax.png&rpt=imageview&cbir_id=2339956%2FBT7zy9qeDYe7ZP0VQzcTEw


Pathetic low-life scammers are employed at p2pb2b because they have imaginary staff using stock images either royalty free or for purchase  ::)

Add to that they are selective scamming users...

Add to that they have no real business, the exchange was set up with the sole purpose of long-term scamming...

Add to that they are inflating their trade volumes and sending it to CMC...

Add to that they are owned by a Ukrainian scammer called Valerii Solodovnyk who has multiple fake exchanges: https://twitter.com/AngryBeur/status/1191416253564571650



https://i.postimg.cc/HLQ79nx0/p2pb2b-fraud-stock-images-Copy.png

Can you explain this? The search takes us to the other side of your exchange.

Also, why is on about us page, three people from the team only have a first name or its nickname written? Why not full name?
Is it Max Head of Listing/IEO the same person like Aлeкceй Уткин from here: https://www.weblancer.net/projects/sistemy-upravleniya-cms-34/izmeneniya-sajta-na-netcat-945472/

https://i.ibb.co/T8hTqTb/p2pb.png (https://ibb.co/6PsZJZ1)

its like seeing this before on a scam accusation thread where team had some fake members.

lol looks like they buried themselves deeper into the mud with all these images. there'd be more scam to happen, this exchange had supported a lot fo IEO which are probably even created by them as well just to scam more people in crypto. it's really good to see people bringing down an almost mtgox to be scam. its a scam waiting to be activated.

Really? A liar?

https://i.postimg.cc/ZqDLPPpk/Alexey-Max.png (https://postimages.org/)

The name of the person pictured on your website is Alexey Utkin who works for (or owns) Mindsell.ru. He has two vk.com profiles:

https://vk.com/stavtime
https://vk.com/mindsell

He is nothing to do with your scam - you simply stole his picture from the webz & reversed it. Maybe I should contact him?

As you seem to think I'm a liar, I guess I'll make a bit of time & look into the other profile pictures on your site.

More to follow.......

The p2pb2b scammers are compulsive liars. They are denying the facts even though the facts are looking at them directly.



The p2pb2b scammers continue to lie and claim ignorance even in the face of evidence upon evidence which exposes them as compulsive liars.



Can you believe what you are reading from the p2pb2b scammers? They have been exposed and their reputation has been left in tatters but they counter-claim your evidence and call you a liar which is shocking.

I guess their plan to bribe forum users under the guise of an escrow bounty has collapsed...

The third guy listed on their website as Head of Business Development - Dimitrius is actually someone called Ruslan Prizov.

https://vk.com/prizovruslan
https://topdb.ru/prizovruslan
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQEEDweRl37r3YYiGv26ASA/videos

Which exchange would dare to put fake team members (or at least fake names) on their front page? Certainly not a legitimate one...

P2PB2B... Fake Profiles? Really?
How are we going to believe that you attempt to make things right was a genuine move when you are not even honest about the appearance of your team members?

So this has hit rock bottom...even for a scam.
They've used fake photos?
An exchange claiming they have traded 30 billion (!!!!) in the last month have just grabbed some pictures from the net and said, this is us?

Seriously this is beyond stupid, I simply don't get it why they do this.
They could have simply called a friend or a guy who is not spending a minute online, told him to shave his beard, give him 100$ and nobody would have discovered it. But this way is simply stupid, stupid stupid!

https://i.imgur.com/uNTE5gw.png


Actually pretty hilarious IMO..

With all those comments let us not forget the title of this thread is:  P2PB2B - resolving "scam alerts" and misunderstandings

This shows how serious p2pb2b and its scammer owner from Ukrainian (Valerii Solodovnyk who has multiple fake exchanges including coinsbit) wanted to resolve issues. They decided to use bounty bribe to silence critics and to try to divide this wonderful community of ours - they failed.

you sit here on the forum and say nonsense, and they manage billions of dollars. who is stupid? 🙄

Do you have any evidence of specific bribes?

I even took a red tag for busting balls in this thread, and turns out, they are just lowlife scammers afterall..

How sad are these guys:

https://i.postimg.cc/gJjQtRyP/WTF.png (https://postimages.org/)

Oh noes, another tag by an outed scam....lol

The context of my post was related to p2pb2b creating a new bounty campaign specifically as an excuse to try to whitewash its history from the forum.

From its perspective, p2pb2b was hoping to get those that left negative Trust to promote the scam exchange via the bounty campaign therefore the participants would have to remove their negative Trust. The whole concept behind p2pb2b starting the bounty campaign they wanted to start in the forum here was a manner to simply divide the opinions against them here so those that wanted to jump on-board the bounty campaign knowing they will be working with scammers (ie the bribe comment) versus those that would never trust them and would never accept the dangling carrot of the bounty/bribe.

I hope that clarifies my earlier comments

Just received a message from that dudes and answered.


I am out of this thread. p2pb2b is a dead horse. I need to concentrate on a couple of scams, committed by some individuals that stole millions of dollars via some fake crypto projects. Sorry but I can not reveal any details now. 

this is first time that an exchange finally proven to be scam by the users in the forum. the exchange is currently operating as well, even rank up on CMC.

can't believe they managed to somehoe grow from the begining to bigger and doing IEO for projects but were actually a scam exchange.

JollyGood already highlighted the project in multiple threads as a scam con running with fake coins and exchange volumes on CMC, but still due to no exposure no one other than he himself tagged them from DT. It was only when some DT1 and DT2 started protecting it, the accusations were highlighted enough. It was just operating in the dark and it's still doing the same under this load of shit accusations and one more cherry on the cake is faking team members.

My first comment seems to still stand.


Yes, one should even see the community peoples like eddie13 risking there accounts to fight such scams. They need some support back from the community.

LULZ @ this exchange & it's fake team, I knew they were scammy con-men. I think the community should blast these guys out of the cryptosphere before they rip-off more users by leaving feedback on their profiles:

p2pb2b - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2509426

P2PB2B-CEO - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2722905

P2PB2B Bounty Manager - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2719262

...as well as supporting the (many) flags against them:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2509426;page=aflags;offset=0

Well done to all who helped expose these scumbags!!

Unsurprisingly p2pb2b have stopped pumping their propaganda in this thread  ::)

So much for the thread title: P2PB2B - resolving "scam alerts" and misunderstandings because they created more problems for themselves instead.

https://vk.com/stavtime do you think they are same person?
Photo uploaded in here : https://vk.com/id163258829?z=photo163258829_456239251%2Fphotos163258829 May 8, 2017 - Alexey Utkin
When you opened the web page? Also you rotated pic and named "Max", https://archive.is/h2geC
Can you explain why and how?

Btw, I read all threads. You need to submit requests the Coinmarketcap Also, they will review your requests if they found you right, They will remove their exchange on their service

It is strange... Someone stole picture from other.. Who was first?  ::)

The investigation is getting deeper and deeper, and I'm surprised that the manager of  P2PB2B is not yet closing thread or they are still not giving up on their hope to launch a campaign of their project.
Many more bad news is coming to this thread and it will become a popular topic about P2PB2B.

Story between eddie13 and lauda is much deeper and it escalated in this thread. There is one part you missed:

What do you need more than their evasive answers?  :-\

I didn't miss shit..


I even quoted it..


Bullshit...
Either Lauda was escrow or I had no reason to believe that Lauda was not escrow and every reason to believe that they were after those statements..
Those statements clearly lead any sane person to believe Lauda was the escrow..

This is Lauda backpedaling, and is what you missed..
Aslo, Lauda failing to make me out to be a liar..

If what I said was technically incorrect, it was just as technically incorrect as their admissions that lead me to believe it..

I absolutely did not lie and don't even think I was mistaken..

Nice try..

Exactly my point, you'll figure it out, if you don't - send me PM  ;)

Let's just stay on topic which is about P2PB2B exchange, fake pictures, weird companies, connections, scam accusations, fake trading volume and so on, shall we?

Are you trying to give me the hint that it is perfectly correct for me to tag Lauda as a liar for lying about me lying? Or exclude them <which I haven't even done..

Well, I would agree with you, but I refuse to act in a way that could be perceived as retaliation on my part in this case.. I won't reduce myself to that level..
If I did tag Lauda, it would take an entire OP to mention and link all of my reasonings, lol..

Everyone can see, and I don't really even care to get the rating removed, because it is basically a giant billboard leading to many points I would make..
I don't think it hurts me at all anyway.. It just shows that I will stand in the face of such danger to do the right thing and question everything..

UGH...
Just let me quote my first response, which still stands.. So I try to not write too much.
My view of this has not changed..



WREKT or BTFO
either


Edit:

Hmmmmmmm.......
You may very well know or realize something that I don't..

Misunderstanding. I edited that part, can you please read it again? I also said this:

I am telling you to stop engaging in personal duels in "P2PB2B thread". There are much better ways to show someone that they might be doing wrong thing, if you have something to say direct it towards exchange and people will listen you. Or you don't have to say anything, there are more than enough users who will do that, and I don't see any one of them received negative ratting, guess why...

Probably "cowards" in simple language.

I recommend to everyone who speaks negatively about the P2PB2B company and is sure that it is scam - to come to any event with team members. You will be convinced that all team members are real people, and faces correspond to photos.

Of course, if you have the courage to do so. And of course, if you aren't paid shit posters.

In most cases, people understand themselves that they are not capable of anything more than an empty idle talk on the forum. Are you from these people?

This applies to those who consider the company a scam.

Good afternoon, dear forum users!

After a break, we return to sort through the remaining incomprehensible situations and give answers to unanswered questions. We congretulate all with the past and upcoming holidays!

We wish you strong health and profit!

There was no official investigation conducted, there is no reason even to think about it. This all just speculation and guesses of some user.

Information about Valery Solodovnik is in the open public sources. If he was a fraudster, shouldn't he hide his identity, structure of ownership and not to be so transparent?

How could a prudent person take seriously scam accusation based on the fact that initially the platforms p2pb2b and Coinsbit were partially developed by the same specialists? Is it serious?

You better show us your real trading volume instead of completely false one created by bots you scumbag.

First of all, there are no official investigations, accusations, charges towards P2PB2B company.
Of course, we understand that we can't avoid not satisfied users.

Very few claims are because of flaws of the platform - yes, the platform is not perfect. That is why many specialists each day improve and maintain it.
But most of the incidents reported here are because of factors the platform is not responsible for. It is the nature of crypto business (and in nature of transactions/holding in the sphere of crypto) that each mistake or negligence of user may cost. And it is human nature to blame others for things that go wrong.

We appreciate feedbacks including negative because they help us to improve (and, besides, to be compliant, as we are regulated and supervised). But we can't ignore the fact that we regularly face extortionist offering to cease public attacks on our reputation for a certain reward. And shouldn't we look interconnection between the above-mentioned offers with posts of some anonymous authors here?

How could a prudent person take seriously scam accusation based on the fact that initially the platforms p2pb2b and Coinsbit were partially developed by the same specialists? Is it serious?
Changpeng Zhao served as chief technology officer of OKCoin. In 2017, Zhao left OKCoin to start a cryptocurrency exchange called Binance. There were and there are numerous unsatisfied clients both of OKCoin and Binance. So these projects are Scam?
Have the anonymous "investigators" ever heard of moving specialists to other projects? Have they ever heard of selling the business, software, technologies? All these events are the "proofs of fraud" or normal things that happen from time to time?

Seems to be another scam site: https://homybit.com
Just checking

Exactly same web design just like Whitebit.com  ;D
More similar website
1. https://raubit.com/
2. https://faobit.com/
3. https://tradefry.com/
4. https://electrabit.com/
5. https://paubit.com/
6. https://iostbit.com/
7. https://glybit.com/
8. https://xtibit.com/
9. https://lokbit.com/
10. https://bifbit.com/
11. https://slibit.com/
12. https://kroxbit.com/
13. https://maubit.com/
14. https://talerbit.com/

These websites have nothing similar with p2pb2b.

Yes very hard to argue with scammers that keep posting here after months of absence in the hope to avoid answering questions about why they scammed users and instead post here in a sheepish way trying to win sympathy.

What's wrong with you people?
After six months you come here and you enter into a discussion about which website looks like yours. You still ignore many scam accusations here, a complete parody of subject on this topic. whether it is in question here negative advertising is still advertising?
Can you tell us when you plan to start with resolving "misunderstandings" here and why never?

Just let them be and sooner or later this exchange will close its doors when they do realize that it isnt already feasible for them to continue their operation.Unresolved issues will really be like a poison that will surely
kills if they dont pay attention.

Or maybe they are just trying to be like Yobit? in spite of shady activities and issues they do still continue just like theres nothing happened. :D

Since Estonia changed its laws which previously allowed anybody to open a cryptocurrency exchange without even visiting that country, they have tougher rules now which clearly state a real office where the trading takes place must be in Estonia and no virtual offices will do.

That means p2pb2b, coinsbit and other exchange scams operated by Ukrainian super-scammer Valerii Solodovnyk have no European licence. They still ask users to buy crypto by paying using third party visa/mastercard plugin but their cannot bank any more ;D

Ah well, as you said they will be gone sooner or later.

We have answered most of the questionsn this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5205331.0 , and we are continuing the proceedings.

If you have any questions that we did not answered - write here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5205331.0, we will discuss it.

In most cases all complaints its just misunderstanding, that can be and will be solved.

There are no misunderstandings: p2pb2b are scammers

Simple


https://i.postimg.cc/rss0NSdf/coinsbit-p2pb2b-scam.jpg

As always, your words are not supported by any facts. The picture is funny, not more. 5 minutes in photoshop?

It's all? You should be backed up by real facts,  before making such statements.

More like you get paid well to influence the P2PB2B company's reputation on this forum.

They are petty criminals, scammers nothing else.



Yes it is hilarious, they a bunch of fools trying to scam as many users as possible. They still try to fool people but they are scammers that have been exposed   ;D

They never made a press release about their getting kicked of of Estonia and losing their crypto banking licence did they  ;D

I can't find anything about this misunderstanding:


can you post here all the evidence of the legality of your business?
a reasonable explanation, why you pump trading volume? I witnessed for myself, fortunately, I was able to draw money from you. the coin I traded with it is not even implemented on your platform, but that doesn't stop you from reporting high trading volume with them.
the only thing I can think of is that you are falsely presenting data in order to deceive people to deposit funds there.