[OFFICIAL] P2PB2B - resolving misunderstandings

[ataArt]

More proof of this scam:

https://twitter.com/AngryBeur/status/1191416253564571650

It's been said & proven many times by numerous forum members & web researchers that this is a copy paste exchange scam by Valerii Solodovnyk - anyone promoting this scam will be disappointed.

I won’t be surprised if this is a JollyGood account

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[eddie13]

There is no conflict of interest other than you trying to attack me for calling you out on your bullshit virtue-signalling on everything.

if someone else was to escrow this you'd keep quiet as always.

Their is conflict of interest in your opinion of their scamminess now that you are in business with them..
I'm still trying to decide if it is a "scam" that should not be advertised, or not, and now your opinion on the matter is possibly biased because you jumped in bed with them..
mosprognoz seems to still think it's a scam..

I was mostly interested by the "forced" part TBH is why I ended up making the post..

[mosprognoz]

I was mostly interested by the "forced" part TBH is why I ended up making the post..

They were trying to start a Sig campaign without escrowing the funds. I "forced" them to find a reputable escrow for securing funds. Because in the Sig campaign thread there was not a single word about escrowing promised payments funds. After that, they found Lauda, who is one of the most trusted forum users and they are about to reach an agreement. The meaning of all this is that, any bounty campaign of any project even with one scam accusation must be escrowed via any reputable member, who offers such services. Is that project scam or not, must be decided by potential customers themselves after reading all related information. (Scams are not moderated on this forum.)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5203715.msg53174942#msg53174942

They would run that sig campaign WITH or WITHOUT escrow. So now they are forced to escrow funds. WHICH one is better?

I just do not understand, why did you get involved in this conversation with some "smart statements" and ruined your legendary account with a red tag?

[eddie13]

I "forced" them to find a reputable escrow for securing funds.

any bounty campaign of any project even with one scam accusation must be escrowed via any reputable member, who offers such services.

This is incorrect..

You should never "force" anyone to escrow.. They rightfully can choose not to escrow..

If you look here in the Overview of Bitcointalk Signature-Ad Campaigns [Last update: 01-Dec-2019] thread you will find that roughly half of the current Bitcoin paying signature add campaigns are not escrowed..

You very well should recommend escrow or warn participants that their is no escrow, but you don't "force" escrow..

If they are a scam then escrow is the least of your worries because then you red tag every participant for advertising scams.. Which is done ALL THE TIME..
And, I'm not sure a reputable escrow would escrow a signature campaign for a scam..
Would you escrow a signature campaign for a ponzi?
 

I just do not understand, why did you get involved in this conversation with some "smart statements" and ruined your legendary account with a red tag?

That has come to my attention and I have been thinking about it so thank you for bringing that up for me..

My "legendary account" and greater identity are in no way "ruined" by Lauda's comment..
If it diminishes me in any way it would only be to those who are ignorant..

In fact, it does Lauda more harm than me.. Or will do..
If you are in the know around here, when you see it, you will immediately realize that it is abuse of default trust, and basically just nonsense..

This will make Lauda look very bad for doing it, to anyone who's opinion I care about..
If you think it is right, you may want to think about it again..

I may mount a full defense if I have to, but it is so blatant that I'm thinking, I might not even have to mount a full defense myself..

Go ahead and get some talk going on about it before Lauda has a chance to rethink their decision here to save face..


I think @Lauda the sooner you remove it, the better it will be for you, before I, or anyone else, takes a stand against it..

[Lauda]

I think @Lauda the sooner you remove it, the better it will be for you, before I, or anyone else, takes a stand against it..

Nope. Double-standards in forum escrowed forks, and the same is happening yet again here against me. Once you stop being a lying cunt and stop selectively applying your "values" depending on who the target is, then I might consider you to be non-malignant.

They would run that sig campaign WITH or WITHOUT escrow. So now they are forced to escrow funds. WHICH one is better?

Again, it's a double standard. They'd scream and shout for the option that can cause less damage, assuming that I was not the one who was asked/was about to help them.

Their is conflict of interest in your opinion of their scamminess now that you are in business with them..

I'm not in business with anyone. You are lying yet again whilst pretending to try and do good, yet again. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[examplens]

Watching this discussion.

the fact is that almost all the accusations are coming from Newbies and they are not properly posted. Most of them complain to locked account and impossibility to withdraw funds, mainly low-level tokens or altcoins. I contacted once his support about withdrawal and I got an answer that they are doing it manually, so I'm not sure why they have a problem and lock accounts.

They would run that sig campaign WITH or WITHOUT escrow. So now they are forced to escrow funds. WHICH one is better?

I just do not understand, why did you get involved in this conversation with some "smart statements" and ruined your legendary account with a red tag?

I think, escrow, in this case, is a minor problem. They will use Lauda's as an escrow and it solved, but the safety of his user funds is a much more serious topic.

Tell me which exchange does not engage in fake volumes, or are you that naive?

Binance.

You're a funny and naive one indeed. No worries, you'll learn how the real world works soon enough.
Seems they have updated the thread and handled accusations 7 though 10.

I find somewhere, only a 15 exchanges report "almost" real volume. if they blow up, it is 10-15% while p2pb2b report $250k+ volume even if they have less than $200 (example: check Dogecoin)
I would like to hear from P2PB2B Bounty Manager what they will do about it?

[mosprognoz]

This exchange had a lot of scam accusations and they tried to start a sig campaign. Because all that accusations, there was a big possibility that sig campaign participants could be scammed. That's why I interfered and demanded to escrow the campaign via reputable member and provided a list of such users. They found Lauda, who is one of the most trusted forum members and now it's up to them, if the agreement will be reached or not. I am not planing to investigate all cases regarding that exchange, but at least I made sure that sig campaign participants will not be scammed. THAT IS DONE ! ans now I am out of this thread and discussion.

Have a nice day
Alex

[The Cryptovator]

Guys I don't know why you are fighting each other here? If someone from exchange come here for resolution then bring up here all the problems related that exchange. And we can see how they are going to resolve all accusation and its reasonable or not. On the other hand, they are not forcing anyone to join their campaign either escrow fund or not. Were we able to prevent Yobit & Livecoin campaign previously? Even reputed managers left their campaign they ran from their own panel/account. If you visit all exchange you will find something wrong everywhere. There is thousands users and it will continue. What we did when Exchange CEO skip with cold wallet? Nothing. Since OP encourage to resolve issues let him do, please stop blaming each other.

[logfiles]

More proof of this scam:

https://twitter.com/AngryBeur/status/1191416253564571650

It's been said & proven many times by numerous forum members & web researchers that this is a copy paste exchange scam by Valerii Solodovnyk - anyone promoting this scam will be disappointed.

I won’t be surprised if this is a JollyGood account

Why does it have to be JollyGood?
Look at the posting histories and patterns of both accounts and you will realize that your judgement is totally wrong.

[eddie13]

I think @Lauda the sooner you remove it, the better it will be for you, before I, or anyone else, takes a stand against it..

Nope. Double-standards in forum escrowed forks

This thread? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4895354.0
I didn't even post in that thread..

Their is conflict of interest in your opinion of their scamminess now that you are in business with them..

I'm not in business with anyone. You are lying yet again whilst pretending to try and do good, yet again. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Did you not take the position of escrow for them?

the fact is that almost all the accusations are coming from Newbies and they are not properly posted.

When Cryptsy was crashing and screwed us all many of us, including me, came here as Bitcointalk noobs and at first were accused of just trolling/fudding Cryptsy..
At one point in time I was that noob coming here because I was being fucked by an exchange.. So it does happen..

[P2PB2B Bounty Manager]

We gave answers to all alarms. Now we hope on the community. What we should do next?

[fortunecrypto]

Guys I don't know why you are fighting each other here? If someone from exchange come here for resolution then bring up here all the problems related that exchange. And we can see how they are going to resolve all accusation and its reasonable or not. On the other hand, they are not forcing anyone to join their campaign either escrow fund or not. Were we able to prevent Yobit & Livecoin campaign previously? Even reputed managers left their campaign they ran from their own panel/account. If you visit all exchange you will find something wrong everywhere. There is thousands users and it will continue. What we did when Exchange CEO skip with cold wallet? Nothing. Since OP encourage to resolve issues let him do, please stop blaming each other.

Yeah, that's true this is a good opportunity for those with issues with P2PB2B  to bring it on as the exchange representative is very much willing to settle the issues, they ask for Escrow and they contact Lauda to be their escrow, and so far they are addressing their issues if anyone who has other issues this is his opportunity to ask to get it to resolve.
Hopefully, Lauda agreed to escrow if they proceed with the campaign.

[pilosopotasyo]

We gave answers to all alarms. Now we hope on the community. What we should do next?

Reading all the conversation and how you are trying to resolve the issue then you are good to go and if there's an additional concern from other members then continue resolving it, but I agree on the escrow, and congrats of your choice if Lauda is willing, Livecoin and Yobit launched a campaign also but did not go this way in resolving those issues.

[The-One-Above-All]

I think @Lauda the sooner you remove it, the better it will be for you, before I, or anyone else, takes a stand against it..

Nope. Double-standards in forum escrowed forks, and the same is happening yet again here against me. Once you stop being a lying cunt and stop selectively applying your "values" depending on who the target is, then I might consider you to be non-malignant.

They would run that sig campaign WITH or WITHOUT escrow. So now they are forced to escrow funds. WHICH one is better?

Again, it's a double standard. They'd scream and shout for the option that can cause less damage, assuming that I was not the one who was asked/was about to help them.

Their is conflict of interest in your opinion of their scamminess now that you are in business with them..

I'm not in business with anyone. You are lying yet again whilst pretending to try and do good, yet again. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

With all the twisting, turning, excuses, and reality called out as lies it is hard to know ... but it looks like it is going down like this...

So just to recap... Lauda's known gang have BULLIED a project to use LAUDA's escrow service?  is this correct?

Because someone said this should not have happened then Lauda gave them red trust??

Is this correct?  I smell some nice EXTORTION going on here.

So they were being called a scam and getting flack but if they use laudas escrow ( and pay him some funds) they can go ahead??

Are these cliff notes correct? Seems like  some " possible"  new material for my BLACKMAIL and EXTORTION thread in meta.

Now lauda says if you stop saying things I do not like I may consider you non-malignant.... is this like benign ?? hmmm very tasty.

[hacker1001101001]

So just to recap... Lauda's known gang have BULLIED a project to use LAUDA's escrow service?  is this correct?

No, mosprognoz just asked them to use any escrow not Lauda specifically.

Because someone said this should not have happened then Lauda gave them red trust??

Is this correct?

Sadly, YES !

[The-One-Above-All]

So just to recap... Lauda's known gang have BULLIED a project to use LAUDA's escrow service?  is this correct?

No, mosprognoz just asked them to use any escrow not Lauda specifically.

Because someone said this should not have happened then Lauda gave them red trust??

Is this correct?

Sadly, YES !

Yes, so merely a co-incidence they chose laudas escrow, one of mosprognoz's best pals I guess.  Funny that.

How much is it going to cost them? what is lauda's cut?

Always comes down to money with lauda. You say ANYTHING, however true or correct and he does not like it.  He immediately reaches for red trust to silence or seek to control the person.

Looks a some nice material for the old blackmail/extortion thread.

So

1. moronpigsnoz laudas pal feels the project looks like a scam

2. FORCES them to use escrow ( how does he force them)? that sounds like extortion/blackmail right there.

3. The project then randomly select laudas escrow?? lauda was not part of the "enforcement" previously with moronpigsnoz was he per chance ??

4. Eddies says

a/ you should not FORCE people to use escrow
b/ the escrow will not stop it being a scam


5. Lauda feels eddies words are not in LAUDAS best financial interests so gives him red trust

6. Lauda then says if you stop saying things I do not want you to say I " may " removed the red trust

just trying to get the cliff notes without reading pages of laudas scum gangs excuses, lies, perverted reasoning, and tourettes laden sexually deviant garbage.

I see lots of separate stages here that exceed the alice/bob phone stealing threshold for blackmail/extortion.

[Lauda]

So just to recap... Lauda's known gang have BULLIED a project to use LAUDA's escrow service?  is this correct?

I wish that were the case, would have definitely been more fun. Sadly it isn't. Good luck with your theories, stay creative!

[P2PB2B Bounty Manager]

We are ready to solve all user issues arising in the process of using our exchanger. Since we have already raised this topic, this should signal that we have chosen a truly professional support and are learning from our mistakes. We ask users who set the flag and the red trust to treat this with understanding and give us the opportunity to prove that we deserve positive feedback.

We have fulfilled our agreement and are ready to launch a signature campaign with escrow, so that there would be no contentious issues among DT. We hope that bitcointalk.org community will earn money on this campaign. And no one will be marked with red trust.
We are ready to start the campaign, and bring more than $1000 every week thrue escrow. But, negative trust must be deleted from P2PB2B Bounty Manager and p2pb2b.io as the trust greatly affects on the participants.

[pilosopotasyo]

We are ready to solve all user issues arising in the process of using our exchanger. Since we have already raised this topic, this should signal that we have chosen a truly professional support and are learning from our mistakes. We ask users who set the flag and the red trust to treat this with understanding and give us the opportunity to prove that we deserve positive feedback.

We have fulfilled our agreement and are ready to launch a signature campaign with escrow, so that there would be no contentious issues among DT. We hope that bitcointalk.org community will earn money on this campaign. And no one will be marked with red trust.
We are ready to start the campaign, and bring more than $1000 every week thrue escrow. But, negative trust must be deleted from P2PB2B Bounty Manager and p2pb2b.io as the trust greatly affects on the participants.

You know what? you cannot please everybody here you can try that's all you can do if you want to resolve the issues no one should stop you, if you want to start a campaign and you meet the requirements, just do it or forever hold your peace.   

[electronicash]

We are ready to solve all user issues arising in the process of using our exchanger. Since we have already raised this topic, this should signal that we have chosen a truly professional support and are learning from our mistakes. We ask users who set the flag and the red trust to treat this with understanding and give us the opportunity to prove that we deserve positive feedback.

We have fulfilled our agreement and are ready to launch a signature campaign with escrow, so that there would be no contentious issues among DT. We hope that bitcointalk.org community will earn money on this campaign. And no one will be marked with red trust.
We are ready to start the campaign, and bring more than $1000 every week thrue escrow. But, negative trust must be deleted from P2PB2B Bounty Manager and p2pb2b.io as the trust greatly affects on the participants.

you can ask them to remove but i doubt they will though. those guys are known to have been marking users doing sketchy activities. but you can go ahead with your signature campaign even with the negative rep, it doesn't affect the campaign as long as you have the escrow and also not a moderated thread because that one is also a sketchy activity. the only who do that are the ones who has plans to delete posts.