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Title: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: nutildah on December 21, 2019, 10:08:55 AM
User korner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1096223) is a banned Russian troll who owns over 50 accounts, the most famous of which is Bitcoin SV (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2371095).

His korner account was banned for ban evasion, with the first banned account being wex.nz (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1156057).

This thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5155000) details how korner is connected to wex.nz. Unsurprisingly, a lot of behavior by korner is carried over to the Bitcoin SV account, most notably, creating a bunch of self-moderated threads then systematically deleting replies (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5149062.msg51447606#msg51447606) which he does not care for.

Another post by Veleor lays out a slew of 31 accounts that all changed their password on the same day, which connects wex.nz with korner and Bitcoin SV:

Accounts Bitcoin Cash (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1432181), binance.com (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2363428), Alfabank (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2447673) which opposing the warning (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=60) in the Bitcoin SV (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2371095) profile most likely belong to one massive farm rig.

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01) October 27, 2018, 01:59:01 PM - password changed [BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=mtgox.com)] mtgox.com (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2361340)
02) October 27, 2018, 01:53:41 PM - password changed [BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=binance.com)] binance.com (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2363428)
03) October 27, 2018, 01:51:11 PM - password changed [BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Anti%20Bitcoin)] Anti Bitcoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1521189)
04) October 27, 2018, 01:26:38 PM - password changed [BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Ethereum%20Classic)] Ethereum Classic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1432278)
05) October 27, 2018, 01:06:47 PM - password changed [BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Bitcoin%20Gold)] Bitcoin Gold (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1432220)
06) October 27, 2018, 11:42:41 AM - woke up                [BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=ne0n)] ne0n (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=33376)
07) October 27, 2018, 11:05:10 AM - password changed [BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Bitcoin%20Cash)] Bitcoin Cash (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1432181)
08) October 27, 2018, 10:49:31 AM - password changed [BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Bitcoin%20SV)] Bitcoin SV (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2371095)
09) October 27, 2018, 10:20:58 AM - password changed [BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=WEX_OFFICIAL)] WEX_OFFICIAL (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1431855)
10) October 27, 2018, 10:11:35 AM - password changed [BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Sakasara)] Sakasara (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2337989)
11) October 27, 2018, 09:38:44 AM - password changed [BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Kryptoart)] Kryptoart (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1475031)
12) October 27, 2018, 09:25:20 AM - password changed [BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=anna.mayzus)] anna.mayzus (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1128672) banned
13) October 27, 2018, 08:19:41 AM - password changed [BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Sara%20Parker)] Sara Parker (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2361932)
14) October 27, 2018, 08:13:20 AM - password changed [BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Scamer)] Scamer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2385454)
15) October 27, 2018, 08:06:58 AM - password changed [BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Skammer)] Skammer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2395097)
16) October 27, 2018, 07:58:00 AM - password changed [BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Anti Scam)] Anti Scam (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2385464)
17) October 27, 2018, 07:41:01 AM - password changed [BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=CKAMEP)] CKAMEP (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2385529)
18) October 27, 2018, 07:29:56 AM - password changed [BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=ERC-721)] ERC-721 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2362089)
19) October 27, 2018, 07:17:01 AM - password changed [BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=ERC-223)] ERC-223 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2362422) banned
20) October 27, 2018, 06:57:46 AM - password changed [BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=WORLD_EXCHANGE_SERVICES)] WORLD_EXCHANGE_SERVICES (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2360533)
21) October 27, 2018, 06:48:59 AM - password changed [BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=wex.com)] wex.com (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1165027)
22) October 27, 2018, 06:42:42 AM - password changed [BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=WEX-UNOFFICIAL)] WEX-UNOFFICIAL (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1345226) banned
23) October 27, 2018, 06:35:59 AM - password changed [BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=btc-e.nz)] btc-e.nz (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1132201) banned
24) October 27, 2018, 06:26:43 AM - password changed [BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Alfabank)] Alfabank (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2447673)
25) October 27, 2018, 06:07:34 AM - password changed [BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=RACIB)] RACIB (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2418010) banned
26) October 27, 2018, 05:58:26 AM - password changed [BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=novacoin.org)] novacoin.org (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2443585)
27) October 27, 2018, 05:36:46 AM - password changed [BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Trollface)] Trollface (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2386160) banned
28) October 27, 2018, 05:28:53 AM - password changed [BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=wex.nz)] wex.nz (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1156057) banned
29) October 27, 2018, 05:24:02 AM - password changed [BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Anti-Bitcoin)] Anti-Bitcoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1521198) banned
30) October 27, 2018, 05:15:23 AM - password changed [BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Polizei)] Polizei (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2389671) banned
31) October 27, 2018, 05:08:48 AM - password changed [BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=korner)] korner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1096223)
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I looked through them one-by-one and a lot of accounts are created on the same days; a few more are now banned (including korner, which is the oldest of the accounts).

Edit: Here is an updated list sent to me by a Russian board user:

55 Accounts Connected:

korner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1096223)                  banned
WEX-UNOFFICIAL (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1345226)  banned
wex.nz (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1156057)                  banned
Alex LZ Saver (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2620423)        banned
reckon (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2544811)                  banned
CKAMEP (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2385529)                banned
anna.mayzus (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1128672)         banned
btc-e.nz (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1132201)                banned
Kryptoart (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1475031)              
Anti Bitcoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1521189)          
Anti-Bitcoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1521198)           banned
Sara Parker (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2361932)          
ERC-721 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2362089)
tet8 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2337253)        
ERC-223 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2362422)               banned
Scamer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2385454)  
Anti Scam (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2385464)             banned
Trollface (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2386160)               banned
Polizei (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2389671)                   banned
Skammer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2395097)        
RACIB (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2418010)                   banned
Sorbent (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2618696)                banned
exp0it (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2621930)                  banned
Error13 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2673444;dt)                 banned
Alter7 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2688189)                   banned
Alexey Vlasov (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2495171)
KraftsHerz (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1101496)
frnk (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=16621)
Kurabye (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2542004)
ttom777 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1102270)
mtgox.com (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2361340)
binance.com (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2363428)
Ethereum Classic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1432278)
Bitcoin Gold (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1432220)
ne0n (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=33376)
Bitcoin Cash (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1432181)
Bitcoin SV (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2371095)
Sakasara (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2337989)
WORLD_EXCHANGE_SERVICES (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2360533)
wex.com (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1165027)
Alfabank (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2447673)
novacoin.org (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2443585)
Cause Rebecca (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2703147)         banned
infekted (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2705921)
Viva-E Official (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2667065)
Olga Buzova (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2580706)
STOP SCAM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2689162)              banned
KOPHEP (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2708940)
Bordijo (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2395536)
VIVA-E (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2677613)
WEX-SCAM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2710137)
Anti-DT Alliance (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2713201)
Virsec (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2624048)
Anti-Polizei (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2729009)
Alert! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2710446)

This post about korner sums up a lot of what is now happening in the Bitcoin SV ANN thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4985868.0):

He removes from their topics all messages but messages of his alt accounts. He talks to himself in his topics.

Another reason to ban the Bitcoin SV account would be that he is obviously running their ANN thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4985868.msg44980438#msg44980438) under the guise that he is employed by nChain, which surely constitutes some kind of impersonation attempt (whether it be Craig Wright or Satoshi or whoever at nChain).

Find a job nutildah. And we have a job already (At nChain)
...
Don't listen to anyone. Only BSV - is Original Bitcoin now. Satoshi Vision. We are friends with the authorities

I am Satoshi, fools

He's also been doing quite a bit of trolling as of late, infesting other threads instead of sticking in his own:

oh my god, offtop isn ot good

let's talk about mosprognoz.

oh my god,  mosprognoz is an antiworldcore propaganda paid agent

mosprognoz SCAM

BTC is not Bitcoin
Satoshi is not Nakamoto

Theymos, please help. Close this trolls topic, which did not pass the interview for job at BSV thread
We have received a lot of spam of them, they had offering his services of thread supporting

They brazenly demanded a paidable signature to wear it.
They threatened us to mark us and our associates, if we do not


Basically, I think Bitcoin SV should be banned for ban evasion as there's several factors that connect him with korner:

- password change on the same day as korner and same day as several other alts suspected to belong to korner
- regularly creates moderated threads then systematically deletes replies with which he does not agree
- has a habit of claiming to represent a certain company, exchange or coin that he does not work for (the WEX exchange is the best example of this)
- is prone to trust system and flag abuse (korner opened more than 50 flags)

If you have anything you'd like to add to pointing out the similarities between korner and Bitcoin SV, or other evidence linking the two accounts, please feel free to present it in this thread. Thanks.

Local rule: no posts by The-One-Above-All, TECSHARE, Quickseller or his alt(s).


Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: mindrust on December 21, 2019, 11:20:15 AM
This is getting interesting. I thought this was a random forum retard but now it looks like Craig is the funder behind these trolls/scammers.

Like Roger wasn't enough.


Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: LoyceV on December 21, 2019, 02:22:37 PM
it looks like Craig is the funder behind these trolls/scammers.
I've suspected financial motivations for some trolls for a while, and I'm seriously curious how much they get paid for this! Promoting Forkcoins can earn a lot of money for the creator, so it might very well be big business.


Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: suchmoon on December 21, 2019, 03:34:47 PM
it looks like Craig is the funder behind these trolls/scammers.
I've suspected financial motivations for some trolls for a while, and I'm seriously curious how much they get paid for this! Promoting Forkcoins can earn a lot of money for the creator, so it might very well be big business.

They're doing a shit job at promoting. If anything this is anti-promotion, these trolls are basically mocking BSV and CSW by creating a bunch of sockpuppets trying to impersonate other forum members etc.


Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: mindrust on December 21, 2019, 03:50:29 PM
it looks like Craig is the funder behind these trolls/scammers.
I've suspected financial motivations for some trolls for a while, and I'm seriously curious how much they get paid for this! Promoting Forkcoins can earn a lot of money for the creator, so it might very well be big business.

They're doing a shit job at promoting. If anything this is anti-promotion, these trolls are basically mocking BSV and CSW by creating a bunch of sockpuppets trying to impersonate other forum members etc.

We are not their target audience.

Other scammers are.

BSV and BCASH are competing against each other. Not bitcoin.


Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: o_e_l_e_o on December 21, 2019, 03:54:49 PM
They're doing a shit job at promoting.
Ach, succès de scandale, or there's no such thing as bad publicity, as the old saying goes. It's the same as we see with every single ICO/token that's launched on here; a thread full of sockpuppets isn't appealing to any serious user, but it will drum up interest among the idiots. Same thing with the Cryptotalk campaign; their endless spam just annoys serious users, but might pique the interest of newbies.

I'm sure CSW is fully aware that trying to change the opinion of established bitcoin users is pointless - no one wants to touch his shitcoin. Brand new users though who don't understand the difference? They are prime material for being duped in to buying some bags. Ver has been preying on uninformed newbies for years, maybe CSW wants some of that action too.


Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: DireWolfM14 on December 21, 2019, 11:53:18 PM
They're doing a shit job at promoting.
Ach, succès de scandale, or there's no such thing as bad publicity, as the old saying goes. It's the same as we see with every single ICO/token that's launched on here; a thread full of sockpuppets isn't appealing to any serious user, but it will drum up interest among the idiots. Same thing with the Cryptotalk campaign; their endless spam just annoys serious users, but might pique the interest of newbies.

Very true.  The fact that BSV is discussed, and their thread gets replies regularly is good for their exposure.  That's all that really matters, not the content of the discussion.  Any attention generated here is good for them.

As for banning the troll, it would be more peaceful around here if we could definitively connect all trolls to banned accounts.


Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: suchmoon on December 22, 2019, 02:09:11 AM
They're doing a shit job at promoting.
Ach, succès de scandale, or there's no such thing as bad publicity, as the old saying goes. It's the same as we see with every single ICO/token that's launched on here; a thread full of sockpuppets isn't appealing to any serious user, but it will drum up interest among the idiots. Same thing with the Cryptotalk campaign; their endless spam just annoys serious users, but might pique the interest of newbies.

Very true.  The fact that BSV is discussed, and their thread gets replies regularly is good for their exposure.  That's all that really matters, not the content of the discussion.  Any attention generated here is good for them.

Are you saying it's an actual strategy? To me it looks like just some garbage generated by an unhinged sockpuppeting troll, and if someone gets fooled by that then I'd argue they would be sending money to a Nigerian prince if not for BSV.

I'd rather have them waste their time in that stupid thread than reading months of complaints in Meta if they get banned but maybe that's just me.

As for banning the troll, it would be more peaceful around here if we could definitively connect all trolls to banned accounts.

I'm not holding my breath for any serious enforcement of ban evasions now that we have ban-evading DT members.


Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: nutildah on December 22, 2019, 02:27:28 AM
I don't actually believe korner was hired by nChain or whoever to run the Bitcoin SV account, though I can't rule out the possibility completely. He's certainly not very knowledgeable about BSV, at one point claiming that half of Satoshi was a bunch of "barefoot Indian coders" (while the other half was Craig Wright, obviously).

I think what's more likely is he has a lot of fun roleplaying as the voice/community manager of different coins, exchanges, and companies. His long-standing goal is to be as disruptive to the forum as possible -- posters of the Russian local board will attest to this.

As far as complaints on Meta about it are concerned, I don't foresee that actually being a problem, but more like entertainment. What rational argument does a banned user actually have for being allowed to engage in ban evasion?

In this thread I'd like to build a solid case that Bitcoin SV is korner before reporting Bitcoin SV for ban evasion. I was kind of hoping some members from Russian local could chime in with something I may have missed before proceeding.


Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: hacker1001101001 on December 22, 2019, 04:46:47 AM
In this thread I'd like to build a solid case that Bitcoin SV is korner before reporting Bitcoin SV for ban evasion. I was kind of hoping some members from Russian local could chime in with something I may have missed before proceeding.

By comparing the posts history of Bitcoin SV and korner they don't look like the same person operating both the accounts. As Bitcoin SV has very less knowledge about crypto, atleast lesser than Korner. Hope you remember Bitcoin SV can't even sign a proper message from a BTC address here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4985868.msg52949831#msg52949831)

I think you would have more stronger case of Bitcoin SV being banned, by pointing his trolling in support of BSV and against BTC. All of his posts seems to be 100% trolling motivated and he could be banned for it.

3. No trolling.


Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: o_e_l_e_o on December 22, 2019, 08:57:43 AM
if someone gets fooled by that then I'd argue they would be sending money to a Nigerian prince if not for BSV.
I'm pretty sure that's BSV's core demographic.

I think you would have more stronger case of Bitcoin SV being banned, by pointing his trolling in support of BSV and against BTC.
The subject of the trolling is pretty much irrelevant. Being anti-BTC and pro-altcoin (even if that altcoin is a steaming pile of trash), isn't a reason to be banned. Indeed, if we banned everyone with a dissenting opinion, then what's the point of even having a forum in the first place. The trolling alone should be enough to warrant a ban, but given we have had to put up with cryptohunter/TOAA trolling the entire forum and derailing threads left, right, and center with walls of gibberish for over a year now, it seems that the "No trolling" rule is being firmly ignored.


Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: nutildah on December 22, 2019, 09:09:16 AM
The subject of the trolling is pretty much irrelevant. Being anti-BTC and pro-altcoin (even if that altcoin is a steaming pile of trash), isn't a reason to be banned. Indeed, if we banned everyone with a dissenting opinion, then what's the point of even having a forum in the first place. The trolling alone should be enough to warrant a ban, but given we have had to put up with cryptohunter/TOAA trolling the entire forum and derailing threads left, right, and center with walls of gibberish for over a year now, it seems that the "No trolling" rule is being firmly ignored.

One of the Russian moderators still takes it into consideration -- I'm not certain if this is the reason why the wex.nz account was banned, am trying to get some clarity in that thread about it:


Regardless, now that he's outside of the Russian section, I'll make an appeal to have Bitcoin SV banned using the same logic that korner was banned (both updated their password on the same day). However, Bitcoin SV has not admitted he is korner, guess he doesn't want to make the same mistake twice. That's why its tricky.


Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: Xal0lex on December 22, 2019, 03:53:55 PM
The subject of the trolling is pretty much irrelevant. Being anti-BTC and pro-altcoin (even if that altcoin is a steaming pile of trash), isn't a reason to be banned. Indeed, if we banned everyone with a dissenting opinion, then what's the point of even having a forum in the first place. The trolling alone should be enough to warrant a ban, but given we have had to put up with cryptohunter/TOAA trolling the entire forum and derailing threads left, right, and center with walls of gibberish for over a year now, it seems that the "No trolling" rule is being firmly ignored.

One of the Russian moderators still takes it into consideration -- I'm not certain if this is the reason why the wex.nz account was banned, am trying to get some clarity in that thread about it:


Look at the list (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1156057;sa=showPosts;start=0) of his posts and you'll see why he was banned.


Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: hacker1001101001 on December 22, 2019, 05:52:22 PM
Look at the list (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1156057;sa=showPosts;start=0) of his posts and you'll see why he was banned.

Did he just broke the very first rule which led him to a ban, doesn't looks like trolling to me either.

1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads. [1][e]



Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: DireWolfM14 on December 22, 2019, 06:05:00 PM
Are you saying it's an actual strategy?

I'm afraid it is a strategy.  The trolling coupled with deflection could convince a naive individual that the rest of us are really the trolls.


To me it looks like just some garbage generated by an unhinged sockpuppeting troll, and if someone gets fooled by that then I'd argue they would be sending money to a Nigerian prince if not for BSV.

Naivete and the lack of experience doesn't automatically mean someone is dumb.  It wasn't that long ago that I would have refereed to myself as naive and inexperienced, and I'd like to think of myself as "not dumb."


I'm not holding my breath for any serious enforcement of ban evasions now that we have ban-evading DT members.

I agree with Nutildah that the Bitcoin SV account is probably controlled by the same person as Korner, but I'm not sure I would ban the account based on the evidence presented here.  I would would want something more concrete.


The trolling alone should be enough to warrant a ban, but given we have had to put up with cryptohunter/TOAA trolling the entire forum and derailing threads left, right, and center with walls of gibberish for over a year now, it seems that the "No trolling" rule is being firmly ignored.

Unfortunately trolling is subjective.  At what point does a contentious debate turn into "trolling?"  

We can all agree that Bitcoin SV, cryptohunter et al, game-protect, and roach are trolls, and probably should be banned for trolling.  Almost any other forum I've frequented would have banned them for a fraction of what they've been able to get away with.  But those aren't this forum.  One of the reasons I love this forum as much as I do is because of the freedom allowed, and the tolerance of moderators.  I tend to believe theymos wants a forum with no restrictions on speech, with an emphasis on freedom.  I can get behind that.  If it means dealing with these shitbirds, that's a price worth paying in my opinion.


Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: Theb on December 22, 2019, 06:46:12 PM
Very true.  The fact that BSV is discussed, and their thread gets replies regularly is good for their exposure.  That's all that really matters, not the content of the discussion.  Any attention generated here is good for them.

As for banning the troll, it would be more peaceful around here if we could definitively connect all trolls to banned accounts.

The ANN thread for BSV was created in August 2018 were using fake conversations are very useful to bump the thread up that is why they create a lot of accounts just to do a fake conversation in that thread. Simply they are hoping for that bumps they have in the past can translate to more views for their thread.  Bitcoin SV on the other hand cannot be banned for trolling in the forum even if they are spreading false news against Bitcoin itself, so really the only way to permaban this account is to connect them to korner or one of the 50 accounts connected to him and be banned for ban evasion. But from the looks of it OP really doesn't have any concrete evidence to ban Bitcoin SV since there is no direct connection from what he have said since he only connected Bitcoin SV and korner to some kind of habits they have in the forum that are very similar and it would take a whole lot more for them to be directly associated to one another like using the same address, posting the same contact info or anything that can connect them as one person.


Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: ETFbitcoin on December 22, 2019, 06:53:13 PM
BSV and BCASH are competing against each other. Not bitcoin.

Competing on BTC forum? Sounds weird if you ask me


Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: mindrust on December 22, 2019, 07:19:18 PM
BSV and BCASH are competing against each other. Not bitcoin.

Competing on BTC forum? Sounds weird if you ask me

Nope it is not that weird.

Their target audience is scammers and there are lots of scammers in this forum.

The more scammers they add to their arsenal, the stronger their scam gets.


Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: o_e_l_e_o on December 22, 2019, 07:43:45 PM
Unfortunately trolling is subjective.
I completely agree with your points regarding freedom of speech, but freedom of speech doesn't include freedom to disrupt and derail. I'd never dream of trying to have posts deleted or users banned simply because they are expressing unpopular opinions. The whole point of freedom of speech is protect unpopular opinions; popular opinions don't need protecting. I'm sure you've seen the relevant XKCD which explains it well. However, CH/TOAA (as an example), has literally been posting the same nonsense regarding trust/merit/gangs/inner circles/etc. for over a year now. Any thread remotely related to merit or trust, he shows up with the same wall of nonsense, and the thread is rapidly derailed. I don't know of anyone who has reasonably defended that, or possibly could, as "not trolling".

Furthermore, the most commonly broken rule is subjective too. Who decides what is low value or uninteresting? Why enforce the spam rule but not the trolling rule?


Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: suchmoon on December 22, 2019, 08:10:50 PM
Furthermore, the most commonly broken rule is subjective too. Who decides what is low value or uninteresting? Why enforce the spam rule but not the trolling rule?

The way I see it trolling requires intent and moderators are reluctant to judge intent.

Low value post can still be low value even if the author didn't intend for it to be low value and that's easier to judge objectively. Trolling is only trolling if the troll intended to troll and not e.g. to express their opinion in an inflammatory way.


Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: Veleor on December 22, 2019, 08:42:05 PM
Unfortunately trolling is subjective.  At what point does a contentious debate turn into "trolling?"

There are some recommendations from admin to identify trolls.

<...>

Habitual trolls are not welcome because they disrupt real discussion. Here are the recommendations (not policy) that I wrote for mods regarding trolls:

Trolls should be banned because they disrupt serious discussion. Identifying trolls is often difficult, however. I like to think in terms of "troll score": the higher the troll score, the more likely it is that a person is a troll. Examples of things that affect troll score:
- Having crazy positions (racism, etc.): large increase
- Posting long, well-reasoned posts: large decrease
- High posts-to-time-online ratio: small increase
- Been around for a long time: moderate decrease
- Posting many images: mild increase
- Much discussion of illegal sites: very mild increase
- Requires more moderation than is typical: moderate increase
- Using vulgarity, insults, or memes excessively: mild increase
- Posting topics with undescriptive titles: mild increase
- Seems disdainful of the Bitcoin community in general: mild increase
- Bumping old posts a lot: mild increase
- Giving people bad advice: mild increase
- Poor spelling/grammar: slight increase
- Criticizing moderation: moderate increase
- Complaining about anything: small increase
- Uses ad hominem attacks with unusual frequency: moderate increase
- Lying: moderate increase
- Inconsistent positions: moderate increase
- Posting the same arguments over and over again without bothering to respond to arguments against them: moderate increase
- Posting topics that will obviously evoke emotional responses: slight increase
- Posting replies that are themselves on-topic but which will obviously tend to bring the discussion off-topic: moderate increase
- Bumping old threads with replies that are not really worthwhile: moderate increase

None of these things alone warrant a warning, but when they occur habitually or when someone does many of them, they indicate that the poster is a troll.

Warn people who are doing many trollish things. Tell me if that doesn't help.


Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: nutildah on December 23, 2019, 02:03:27 AM
One of the Russian moderators still takes it into consideration -- I'm not certain if this is the reason why the wex.nz account was banned, am trying to get some clarity in that thread about it:


Look at the list (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1156057;sa=showPosts;start=0) of his posts and you'll see why he was banned.

I'm going to guess it was the repetitive posting of a bitcoin address that didn't belong to him? Is that considered multiposting?



Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: DireWolfM14 on December 23, 2019, 06:18:03 PM
I completely agree with your points regarding freedom of speech, but freedom of speech doesn't include freedom to disrupt and derail. I'd never dream of trying to have posts deleted or users banned simply because they are expressing unpopular opinions. The whole point of freedom of speech is protect unpopular opinions; popular opinions don't need protecting. I'm sure you've seen the relevant XKCD which explains it well.

This is argument is purely academic, and may even be off-topic some.  It does pertain to the subject of trolling, and banning, and "banning for trolling," so I'll risk continuing with it.

While true, the first amendment (and similar speech protections) apply only to the governmental authority, that doesn't mean others can't adopt a comparable approach.  If you mean this XKCD (https://xkcd.com/1357/), then yes, I've seen it and I must admit I have issues with it.  The premise of the comic seems to argue that your protection to speech is only applicable to the government.  Well, what is a government?  Is it not a collection of individuals chosen to serve the common interests?  Frequently the common interest isn't commonly known or accepted.  Sometimes the minority voice is the only one speaking reason, which is why our laws protect that minority voice.  However, our laws only have the authority to protect the minority voice from the legal ramifications, not from the general public's reactions.

My main issues with that comic are cataloged in the forth pane.  The first thing written in that pane is factually wrong.  Yelling at someone can be deemed as a violation of their rights.  There are legal precedents that define it as "provocation."  Boycotts, censorship, and banishment aren't a violation of anyone's rights, but is it right?  Look at it from the perspective of someone with an unpopular opinion.  The majority starts calling for your ban, calling for a boycott of your products, forcing your publishers into cancelling your TV shows, radio shows, or podcost, and even threaten to boycott your sponsors.  Just because they don't like what you have to say.  Even if what you have to say is beneficial to the majority, or in their best interest, they don't like it and make a huge fuss to prevent you from speaking them again.

The reason I find such reactions destructive is because popular opinion has a way of becoming legislation.  It's a slippery slope.  People who react so vehemently to words with which they disagree are far more dangerous than any words ever spoken.

So lets take the discussion back to this forum; here we have a community that's common tie is financial freedom.  If you care about financial freedom you probably care about free speech, smaller governments, self reliance, and independence.  Maybe.  We have this opportunity to create a virtual civilization here on the internet where we get to put our principals to the test.  Exercise our convictions.  Can they pass the test?  As irritating and frustrating dissenting points of view can be, can we force ourselves to tolerate them for the overall benefit of liberty?


However, CH/TOAA (as an example), has literally been posting the same nonsense regarding trust/merit/gangs/inner circles/etc. for over a year now. Any thread remotely related to merit or trust, he shows up with the same wall of nonsense, and the thread is rapidly derailed. I don't know of anyone who has reasonably defended that, or possibly could, as "not trolling".

You won't catch me defending the methods, or what he has to say.  But I can't in good conscience, justify banning him for being an irritant and yes, a troll.  Speaking of CH, has anyone else noticed how quite it's been the last few days?

https://i.ibb.co/pWs5fmD/CH.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/KNrJGjB/TOAA.jpg


Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: suchmoon on December 23, 2019, 08:19:05 PM
Dipshit moved a Russian thread into Altcoins:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5152339

And locked the English BSV thread. This is typical korner shenanigans.


Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: DireWolfM14 on December 23, 2019, 08:55:52 PM
Dipshit moved a Russian thread into Altcoins:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5152339

And locked the English BSV thread. This is typical korner shenanigans.

The last post in the locked thread points to a new thread which shows up on the first page the altcoins board.  It must have received a super-troll-bump.

Or a super-shill-bump?  ???


Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: suchmoon on December 23, 2019, 09:26:29 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5152339

It's now in Off Topic (perhaps mods moved it) and all posts have been wiped. It had a few pages of Russian posts when I made that post earlier.

The last post in the locked thread points to a new thread which shows up on the first page the altcoins board.  It must have received a super-troll-bump.

Or a super-shill-bump?  ???

Yeah he replaced the aforementioned Russian thread with a new one. He's got a sockpuppet account with a decent amount of merits, probably enough to bump to the front page: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2708940


Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: nutildah on January 07, 2020, 03:48:03 PM
OK, so we have a banned user now claiming to be an nChain employee (for the second time):

Sorry, but my contract with nChain not expired.

I dunno, this guy purely exists to be disruptive here. He doesn't work for nChain as he knows almost nothing about Bitcoin or BSV. He just gets a kick out of trolling. There's a couple other members like that who exist and haven't been banned. Apparently the one thing they are good at is riding the line between what the mods consider trolling and not trolling, even though everybody else considers them to be a troll. Oh well. Just thought this thread could use a bump.


Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: nutildah on January 12, 2020, 01:43:53 PM
It would appear that the Bitcoin SV account has been temp banned as korner is now using another account, Alert! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2710446), to continue his trolling saga.

This is his first thread. Unsurprisingly, it is self-moderated:

[FAKE ANN] BitcoinFX - Thread Duplicator & Troll

Troll's profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=30

Duplicated ANN there: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5216304
Original ANN there: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5211986

Alert! was named as an alt of korner in the OP of this thread, and first identified by Ratimov as belonging to korner here:

Eщe oдин aльт кopнepa Alert! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2710446)

Кopнep, cкoлькo ты иx yжe нaклeпaл? :D

Please report him for ban evasion. I have reported him for ban evasion twice thus far. One report was marked "good" (which is encouraging) and the other is unhandled (but its been less than 12 hours, so...).


Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on January 12, 2020, 11:11:05 PM
@nutildah

Account reported for ban evasion. I got your back, my friend.


Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: Ratimov on January 13, 2020, 05:40:45 PM
Hi. My list is once again confirmed that I add all the alts correctly, even without direct evidence. My methodology is based on comparing korner and his alts behavior, and it is always the same. The nicknames change, and the behavior and thinking are the same.

Quote
57 Accounts Connected:

korner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1096223)                  banned
WEX-UNOFFICIAL (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1345226)  banned
wex.nz (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1156057)                  banned
Alex LZ Saver (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2620423)        banned
reckon (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2544811)                  banned
CKAMEP (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2385529)                banned
anna.mayzus (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1128672)         banned
btc-e.nz (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1132201)                banned
Kryptoart (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1475031)              
Anti Bitcoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1521189)          
Anti-Bitcoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1521198)           banned
Sara Parker (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2361932)          
ERC-721 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2362089)
tet8 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2337253)        
ERC-223 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2362422)               banned
Scamer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2385454)  
Anti Scam (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2385464)             banned
Trollface (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2386160)               banned
Polizei (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2389671)                   banned
Skammer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2395097)        
RACIB (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2418010)                   banned
Sorbent (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2618696)                banned
exp0it (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2621930)                  banned
Error13 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2673444;dt)                 banned
Alter7 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2688189)                   banned
Alexey Vlasov (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2495171)
KraftsHerz (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1101496)
frnk (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=16621)
Kurabye (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2542004)
ttom777 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1102270)
mtgox.com (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2361340)
binance.com (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2363428)
Ethereum Classic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1432278)
Bitcoin Gold (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1432220)
ne0n (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=33376)
Bitcoin Cash (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1432181)
Bitcoin SV (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2371095)
Sakasara (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2337989)
WORLD_EXCHANGE_SERVICES (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2360533)
wex.com (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1165027)
Alfabank (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2447673)
novacoin.org (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2443585)
Cause Rebecca (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2703147)         banned
infekted (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2705921)
Viva-E Official (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2667065)
Olga Buzova (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2580706)
STOP SCAM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2689162)              banned
KOPHEP (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2708940)
Bordijo (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2395536)
VIVA-E (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2677613)
WEX-SCAM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2710137)
Anti-DT Alliance (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2713201)
Virsec (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2624048)
Anti-Polizei (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2729009)
Alert! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2710446)
~DefaultTrust (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2526482)
ProfessionReporter (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2743400)

Sooner or later he still gives away his alts himself, for example by supporting his ridiculous flags. So today he gave away a bunch of his alts after a statement like that:

УPAA! Hacтaлo вpeмя apмии Кopнepoв!
Bce бyдyт  зaфлaгoвaны! Moe дeлo бyдeт жить вeчнo! He бyдeт вaм чиcтoты и пopядкa! Бyдeт тoлькo xaoc и paзpyшeниe! Moй пocлeдoвaтeли - я вaми гopжycь! Taкoй мoмeнт тpoгaтeльный, aж cлeзy пycтил!
ProfessionReporter - мoлoдeц!

http://archive.md/piYEJ#selection-1569.0-1577.29

translate:
Quote
EEE! It's time for the korner's army!
Everyone will be flagged! My cause will live forever! You will not be clean and orderly! There will only be chaos and destruction! My followers, I'm proud of you! It's a touching moment, and it's a tear!
ProfessionReporter - good for you!

After that for 2 minutes the korner's flag was supported by his alts:

https://i.ibb.co/dgSjw6D/64.png


WEX-SCAM, KOPHEP, Anti-DT Alliance, Olga Buzova, VIVA-E, Virsec, Alex LZ Saver, Alert!, Bitcoin Cash, binance.com, Alfabank

It's a korner's alts 1000%

korner's alts put many flags on different users. Check who supports them. That's basically the korner's alts, especially if they're from a list of 57 accounts, it's probably them.


Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: nutildah on January 13, 2020, 05:49:58 PM
Hi. My list is once again confirmed that I add all the alts correctly, even without direct evidence. My methodology is based on comparing korner and his alts behavior, and it is always the same. The nicknames change, and the behavior and thinking are the same.

...

korner's alts put many flags on different users. Check who supports them. That's basically the korner's alts, especially if they're from a list of 57 accounts, it's probably them.

Check this out, he's been talking to himself in the new Bitcoin SV thread.  :D

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5211986.msg53592925#msg53592925

What a nutjob.


Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: suchmoon on January 13, 2020, 06:04:46 PM
What a nutjob.

He's now attempting to dox Ratimov. This anarcho-communist approach of letting sockpuppeting assholes evade their bans (and generally do whatever they want) has some disadvantages to put it mildly.


Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: Ratimov on January 13, 2020, 06:17:15 PM
Check this out, he's been talking to himself in the new Bitcoin SV thread.  :D
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5211986.msg53592925#msg53592925

It's one of his habits, communicating with himself. All the more so in self-moderated topics. He deletes others' messages and leaves his own. All korne's alts do that. :D

He's now attempting to dox Ratimov. This anarcho-communist approach of letting sockpuppeting assholes evade their bans (and generally do whatever they want) has some disadvantages to put it mildly.

I do not understand at all, he is already making a mess on the whole forum with his themes and flags, why globes will not be banned him? It's clear to everyone that is korner  :-\


Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: suchmoon on January 13, 2020, 06:57:41 PM
I do not understand at all, he is already making a mess on the whole forum with his themes and flags, why globes will not be banned him? It's clear to everyone that is korner  :-\

I believe the theory behind the extremely lax rule enforcement is that it's better to have an asshole go unpunished than a good person punished unjustly, but given that (a) the punishment is just a ban, not incarceration or death penalty; and (b) the sockpuppeting here is so blatantly obvious - I'm with you on this one, I don't understand it either.


Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: Ratimov on January 15, 2020, 07:31:36 PM
korner's alt - Alert! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2710446) banned

https://i.ibb.co/N3yZWVw/567.png

This idiot is setting himself up, and nobody pays attention to him in the Russian locale. :D


Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: nutildah on January 16, 2020, 01:43:02 PM
korner's alt - Alert! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2710446) banned

https://i.ibb.co/N3yZWVw/567.png

This idiot is setting himself up, and nobody pays attention to him in the Russian locale. :D


What hasn't the KOPHEP account been banned yet? It literally spells "korner" in cyrillic, does it not?

I guess its because he's only created 4 bullshit flags, so far...


Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: hacker1001101001 on January 16, 2020, 01:47:05 PM
korner's alt - Alert! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2710446) banned

https://i.ibb.co/N3yZWVw/567.png

This idiot is setting himself up, and nobody pays attention to him in the Russian locale. :D


Good too see ban evaders are banned again without blockchain evidence. I thought it was just a thing of past.


Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: Ratimov on January 16, 2020, 01:49:41 PM
What hasn't the KOPHEP account been banned yet? It literally spells "korner" in cyrillic, does it not?
I guess its because he's only created 4 bullshit flags, so far...


It's true. That's 100% korner's alt. By all signs and behavior. But global moderators don't seem to have enough evidence to give him a ban...


Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: stompix on January 16, 2020, 02:01:36 PM
I dunno, this guy purely exists to be disruptive here. He doesn't work for nChain as he knows almost nothing about Bitcoin or BSV. He just gets a kick out of trolling.

Hmmm, so one of his alts is bitcoin cash with which he posts this:

BSV - Scam. This is not Original Bitcoin. It's a fork of BCH

and then start a whole discussion with his alts:

BITCOIN SV, BITCOIN CASH HALVINGS SPELL DOOM FOR THE MINERS
https://bitcoinist.com/bitcoin-sv-bitcoin-cash-halvings-spell-doom/
Look at this
Bitcoin Cash, Bitcoin SV prices soar, reach three-month highs
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bitcoin-cash-bitcoin-sv-prices-222447441.html
This is amazing. Coin Growth Can't Stop Now
In vain we delisted BSV. What a pity
Look how that turned out for the market.

to end with him arguing against himself...has he ever insulted himself with his alts?  :D

I've never bothered with the bch and bsv trolls and I don't frequent the altcoin section other than reporting bumper but...
Is there any reason why he is doing this?
Can someone point to the moment when all this madness started and what triggered it? Was a grudge behind a red tag or what?


Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: Veleor on January 16, 2020, 02:51:14 PM
<...> Can someone point to the moment when all this madness started and what triggered it? Was a grudge behind a red tag or what?

According to the message in the Russian section (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5191965.msg52747065#msg52747065), korner said that he used to be one of the clients of the WEX exchange and gone insane after he allegedly lost funds there.

But given a number of points (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4720640.msg50154749#msg50154749), I think that this is another lie from korner, who is acting like a victim.


Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: ~DefaultTrust on January 18, 2020, 08:38:52 PM
Hi. My list is once again confirmed that I add all the alts correctly, even without direct evidence. My methodology is based on comparing korner and his alts behavior, and it is always the same. The nicknames change, and the behavior and thinking are the same.

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57 Accounts Connected:

korner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1096223)                  banned
~
~DefaultTrust (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2526482)


As a DT member why did you still is not tag that user? Can't find the time? Do you think the moderators have more time?


Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: nutildah on January 25, 2020, 05:30:32 AM
It appears the korner army is crumbling as his accounts are being banned and nuked left and right.

Anti-DT Alliance (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2713201) - 1/15/2020 6:53:33 PM   Changed to Archived status   Autoban user

Alert! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2710446) - 1/15/2020 6:53:33 PM   Changed to Archived status   Nuke user

KOPHEP (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2708940) - 1/22/2020 6:07:05 PM   Changed to Archived status   Autoban user

VIVA-E (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2677613) - 1/23/2020 2:12:00 AM   Changed to Archived status   Nuke user

It would appear he still uses these accounts, but I'm not 100% certain they are both him:

~DefaultTrust (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2526482)
ProfessionReporter (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2743400)

In any case, I'm declaring Operation Kornout a success, at least until Bitcoin SV is unbanned. Then it will be touch-and-go.


Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: Ratimov on January 25, 2020, 07:47:43 AM
It appears the korner army is crumbling as his accounts are being banned and nuked left and right.

Another korner's account was also banned yesterday.
binance.com (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2363428)  -  1/24/2020 5:22:09 PM   Changed to Archived status   Nuke user (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?id=2363428)



Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: ~DefaultTrust on January 26, 2020, 06:54:02 AM
but I'm not 100% certain they are both him:

~DefaultTrust (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2526482)
ProfessionReporter (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2743400)


What is your formula for these percentages? I hope the application to the Nobel Committee has already been submitted?


Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: nutildah on January 28, 2020, 09:11:03 AM
Update

korner is currently using these accounts to once again troll the forum and sling mud:

Пocт,пocвящeнный глaвнoмy тpoллю и бecпpeдeльщикy py-лoкaли кopнepy;D

(Google translation: A post dedicated to the main troll and ruffler ru-lokali to the corner;D)

58 Accounts Connected:
...
Virsec (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2624048)
villain_Mr.Burns (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2752168)

but I'm not 100% certain they are both him:

~DefaultTrust (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2526482)
ProfessionReporter (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2743400)


What is your formula for these percentages? I hope the application to the Nobel Committee has already been submitted?

That's a trick question. Obviously I can't give away the formula because the patent on it is still pending, and it would ruin my chances for winning the Nobel prize if I did.


Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: villain_Mr.Burns on January 28, 2020, 09:23:00 AM
Update

korner is currently using these accounts to once again troll the forum and sling mud:

58 Accounts Connected:
...
Virsec (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2624048)
villain_Mr.Burns (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2752168)

You don't have any proof. You're lying.


Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: Ratimov on January 28, 2020, 09:27:32 AM
Update

korner is currently using these accounts to once again troll the forum and sling mud:

Пocт,пocвящeнный глaвнoмy тpoллю и бecпpeдeльщикy py-лoкaли кopнepy;D

(Google translation: A post dedicated to the main troll and ruffler ru-lokali to the corner;D)

58 Accounts Connected:
...
Virsec (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2624048)
villain_Mr.Burns (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2752168)

That's right. It's korner's alt. The idiot registered and immediately ran to hand out negative feedbacks, editing them many times. Typical korner's imbecile behavior.


Title: Re: The many accounts of korner (Bitcoin SV)
Post by: villain_Mr.Burns on January 28, 2020, 09:37:44 AM
Update

korner is currently using these accounts to once again troll the forum and sling mud:

Пocт,пocвящeнный глaвнoмy тpoллю и бecпpeдeльщикy py-лoкaли кopнepy;D

(Google translation: A post dedicated to the main troll and ruffler ru-lokali to the corner;D)

58 Accounts Connected:
...
Virsec (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2624048)
villain_Mr.Burns (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2752168)

That's right. It's korner's alt. The idiot registered and immediately ran to hand out negative feedbacks, editing them many times. Typical korner's imbecile behavior.

You blatantly lie.

First of all I wrote in the topic Russian reputation.
But my message was deleted.
After that I left you a neutral trust (for lying).
Then I created a topic called:
Ratimov - Лицeмepный и лживый merit source и DT1
Today at 02:34:53 AM

Then I changed the neutral review to a negative one and left a reference.