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Since I believe there are still some moral human beings with good intentions left on this forum, I would like to address the following statements to everyone and especially to the attention of theymos, to Darkstar_ (because he has been entrusted as the gatekeeper of Chipmixer bounty), and to the organization ChipMixer because the millions of dollars they spend on this forum are being manipulated for the financial nepotism of a few members who have entrenched themselves with deep DT voting power, and who influence everyone and everything going on in this forum through their asymmetric sMerit privileges and endless trust system abuse via constant intrigue and drama they propagate on the Reputation boards...

First of all some objective facts (please correct me if there are minor mistakes on the exact figures, they are mostly extrapolated from this graph: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5218863.msg53662262#msg53662262) )

Chipmixer Campaign Representation on Local Boards (as of today):

German: 3-4

Arabic: at least 3

Indonesian: at least 3

French: 3-4

Russian: 2-3

Spanish: 1-2

Turkish: absolute 0


Going by the latest statistics, Turkish board is the 3rd most active local board coming right after the Russian boards and in a close race with Indonesians, and Turkei in general is known as a very crypto enthusiastic culture with tremendous amount of capital pouring into crypto activities.

And yet, for mysterious reasons, anytime there is a Chipmixer application by an influential Turkish member, especially around the time when there are open spots on this campaign, character assassins emerge from their holes to come up with some of the nastiest and most ludicrous false accusations against the applicants.

Case in point, our most recent example, just take a look at some of the libelous threads opened against me exclusively only in the last 3 days:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219538.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219981.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219960.0


My friends and I naively responded to each and every one of similar libelous accusations in the past, and the people who came after us were even facetiously declared untrustworthy by the general community; however it's very easy to see for anyone paying attention to forum dynamics that practically it led to no improvements...

The reputations of the useful trolls used for hit jobs are quickly restored (sometimes even with "counter! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1016855)" trust ratings in the silly games the Chipmixer mafia plays...), but even though most rational people in the larger BTT community agree that severe injustices are being committed, they cannot bring themselves to openly defy the wrath of the DT mafia, and so gradually all the outside members lose their DT influence and selections, and the core echo chamber continue their fascistic abuse of all forum dynamics.

I would like to ask Darkstar_ and ChipMixer, why do they let well documented manipulators like suchmoon and marlboroza remain on the most respected campaign in the forum, and worse yet, how can their blatantly biased opinions have such a strong influence on your selection criteria ? Are they writing the checks of your bounty awards every week ?..

If you are the CEO of a company, and your employees are actively working in shadows to prevent your brand from spreading into a very large sector (here the Turkish, Eastern European and Middle Eastern Markets), do you let them stay employed, or do you penalize them ?

If it's all a little game to you to reward some of your close friends and staff members, then drop the circus act altogether, don't open Chipmixer applications, don't shamelessly deceive people.

If it's really a meritocratic selection and you are an ethical man working for an ethical company, then reward the people who are acting professionally adding substantial original content to the forum and who have undeniable influence both in their local sections & in general.

And penalize those who conspire in the shadows (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219538.msg53678789#msg53678789) to disenfranchise entire groups of the forum for their own personal spiteful or money driven reasons...


If you are unable to break free from the chains of the DT mafia influence in your selection criteria, then I can assure the Chipmixer organization, and any other group interested in advertising here, there are many capable people on this forum, myself included, who are brave enough to take on this task with top class professionalism and fairness.

All the Best

You should Move this to the Reputation Board - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=129.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=129.0)

Has nothing to do realy with the Forum !

Because its Darkstar_  that have his reason for allow or accept the Users he want and what Users are not !

He has his Opinions and Rules what Users are get there and who not !

No my friend, the topic is exactly where it should be.
He is not talking about Darkstar or his choice. He talks about an attack on almost everyone in the Turkish community when there is an improvement in such critical positions in the forum.

You can see if you look at it closely and objectively what he is talking about. He talks about the CM campaign because many Turkish members have been baseless and unsubstantiated accusations since the launch of the campaign.

What is a “local board representative”? I’m pretty active in the Portuguese board, AFAIK. :'(

Anyways, I doubt anyone has a problem with “Turkish users”, and people keep saying this, but you keep using the same argument. The issue is the user and its personality and not its nationality. This obvious isn’t going to change anything if you keep using that card. You are basically calling the same discussion that there is every time.

And thats why the thread should be in the Reputaion Board !

Its not going against or about the Forum !!

Its going about the CM campaign

Why do you think that chipmixer campaign needs to be represented on Local Boards?

Chipmixer is a private company, the guy who is responsible as a campaign manager chooses whoever he likes.

I sent an application to the campaign as well but I know exactly why I am not accepted (because I am a WO addict) Thanks god I haven't lost my senses completely to throw the "It is because I'mma Turkish ha" card.

The whole Turkish local looks like that in my eyes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q79jZG-UGxk

TryNinja, if you can't stand the word "Turkish" replace it with "Humans" or "Wolves" or whatever you like  ;), the fact remains the same, a huge influential section of the forum has no Chipmixer banners on it primarily because of the shameless nepotistic behavior of a couple of vile members entrenched in the DT system.





I believe it belongs in Meta because the Chipmixer mafia is using every single dynamic that the forum has rewarded them with, from Merit distribution to abusive Trust ratings,

to bring about nepotist outcomes in the Chipmixer selections, which is undeniably influencing Darkstar_ as I presume he wouldn't want to create an unfavorable political wind

for himself in the forum so as not to lose his other non-Chipmixer related privilieges...

I fully agree with what Vispilio says.
Whenever something good happens in the Turkish local forum or one of people applies for a campaign, their reputation were damaged by several shooters.
They all look like respectable members because they abuse the trust system with their network.
In this way, they have an endless reliable account pool.


the Turkish community in Bitcointalk is extremely intellectual and liberal. Stop that.

Before writing this message, I would have waited for Darkstar to name the last 2 lucky ones who will join the CM campaign.
Because I'm not sure that this topic will help the turkish community, on the contrary.

Again it Looks like a personal problem between you and a lot of Turkish Users with Chipmixer and Darkstar_ !!
The Forum or the Admins have nothing to do with it because Chipmixer is privat Company .


I guess that too !

One of us don't want to try misunderstanding.
He mention about CM campaign because we are facing same problem all important events and activities in the forum. Haters coming out the surface and puke their badly intentions on this forum!

he is mentioning CM campaign because it is the last example we can talk about it. So not just this campaign, we've seen this attempt before it. Ok?


It is pitty. We are know who you are really.
Another looser who denies his own identity and opposes the society he comes from.
And we have some saying those behaving and talking like in our (you an me both!) country! And I am sure you that you already knew.

Hold on, the candidates are chosen by personal qualities. What it has to do with the Turkish community? DarkStar just recently announced that he will focus more on the Local boards, and since then only 2 candidates were elected and there are 2 more open slots to be filled. Hold your horses and wait until it's you know the final results.
In addition DS_ announce that there will be more slots open next weeks.

Wrong again. I am a Turkish patriotic beyond your imaginations but I also hate morons.

If the society I came from acts like a moron, then I don't see any problems with opposing it at least till they gather their shit together.

I am yet to see a Turkish poster posts just because he likes to be here. No, It is always the damn signature camps. Signature camps are not jobs. Some of them may pay a lot but as long as your only aim to join sig camps then you'll never be seen as a legit member.

...And I thought vispilio was one of the smarter guys guys there...

This is a message of racism. Nazis
Ban this man

It's not up to you to decide who the fuck comes here for whatever motivation, you deeply confused little man. 

You need to ask yourself this mindrust: if you are disliked by every single person you come into contact with from your home country, how can you call yourself a patriot ?..

You can only call yourself "Damat Ferit" or "Ali Kemal". You know with your attitude, you would get lynched on the streets of Turkei, so you hide in the shadows, secretly boiling in your bile, and hating the country that rejects you.

Yes Turkiye has a lot of problems, but something about you unites even the divided Turkish society in positively rejecting you in every way. Does that tell you anything about yourself  ;D ?

Do you believe even for a moment that when even your own country men can't stand you and your deeply unbalanced nature, would foreigners like you ?..
So you float in the world lost and confused, heimatlos, always hateful, always bitter, anyways this thread isn't about your problems, so don't bring your shit here anymore. I hope you get much better.

Good luck.

I said that we have some saying for your situations already.

Mevlana said (%100 match with you!);

Translate won't be %100 same mean but as much as I can;

I am not disliked by every other Turkish people. Why are you are making up stories?

Anyway keep it up, you are great at digging your own grave.

Likewise.

The very opening of this thread, and the presented "case" pushes me into agreeing what others think about OP. Disappointed.  :-\

Did you intentionally write the complete opposite of the actual situation? No "extremely intellectual" person screams racism when criticized in any way.

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Public side note: Don't lash out with the racism nonsense, many of the people that I've worked with over the years come from various backgrounds including Turkey (i.e. were turkish).
Public side note 2: I don't think most of the Chipmixer people like me at this point in time.

oh we are not digging graves they are flower beds :), it's a personal hobby of mine to hunt ex-Turkish traitors like you across the globe (and have a nice friendly chat with them ;D)...

Pray to whatever pagan God you picked up in foreign lands that you don't ever get to meet me in real life. Bye.

Now I am a traitor and a pagan god worshipper? Those are some quite serious accusations. Where are your evidences?

And also a real life threat. Good good. Keep it like that.

Anything else?

What does theymos have to do with tihs? Theymos tries to keep this forum "as free as possible", so he's not going to get involved in who gets into a signature campaign.

DarkStar_ has to choose 4 out of 150 participants, many of those 150 users have very good post quality. There's a strong competition, and it's entirely up to DarkStar_ who he chooses.
So far, I can only say he's picked strong candidates, and from what I've seen, ChipMixer trusts his judgement on this.

The analogy fits perfectly.

Vispilio couldn't get what he wants, and starts throwing "allaah ackbars" randomly like the guy in the video.

If you don't think you are like him, then there is no need for you to be offended.

I strongly believe, and a lot of people agree with me via PM's and social media but are positively afraid to voice their opinion here, that theymos should get involved.

Can you imagine a libertarian forum where I'm getting tens of messages congratulating me for honesty and bravery, and yet very few people can reflect this with positive trust ratings and trust list inclusions because they are afraid of getting stigmatized ?..

Precisely why admin should get involved, 2-3 people should not be able to exert a fascistic influence that decides the fate of all DT1 and most Chipmixer selections, it's insane, you know it I know it, thousands of people know it, but they can't even come here to agree with me because they don't want their reputations instantly destroyed, have 3-4 threads opened against them by the NPC trolls and all the other bullshit we have been discussing for days...

It's time to smell the coffee  :), wake up and make BTT fair & great again.

Since most of you support him, then the picture looks exactly like how I described.

*I didn't have any problems with him till he made it personal a few posts ago.

I am writing here about how malicious people initiate propaganda against the Turkish community at all critical decision stages. I don't care about the Chipmixer campaign. I didn't even apply for that campaign. But Darkstar_ announced that he did not accept me in a campaign that I did not apply for.

I just wrote that;

and;
Still, I personally don't blame Darkstar_ for anything anyway. His campaign and his call...

But why are we seeing nonsence accusation when starting from this campaign people acceptance?
As I said above, I am not interesting chipmixer campaign because I know I won't be accepted. But hostile behavior can not be accepted. That's why my objection. Mass attack, in particular, is very unethical.

Do you think he is right about his claims?

@forumalacali @mindrust

Sorry but, please stop that.

Guys please keep your personal debates to yourself, it's completely off topic, I responded to mindrust briefly because of his endless hate against his own nation,
and I really believe it can help him a lot as a person,

no more issues regarding mindrust. Good luck to both of you.


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for the benefit of all future readers, the last meaningful msgs on this thread are here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5220060.msg53681661#msg53681661) and here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5220060.msg53681695#msg53681695) please continue from there

The sense of entitlement is just astonishing.

And the whole pseudo-patriotic bickering would be defeating your whole case if you had one.

So your position is that theymos should have the final word in all the campaigns and he should dictate who is selected in which campaign and hope you understand that is what you are implying here :P.

You cannot have a situation where everyone is happy and that is life, i have seen race card thrown around as if someone is targeting certain individuals, we are Netizen here and no one is representing any race or country and so is the reason you and me use an alias.

DT selection is another topic altogether and i am not going to comment on that but selection on a signature campaign is the discretion of the campaign manager and Chipmixer is just another signature campaign for theymos.

As for the drama we had many in the past and still many more to come as there will be conflict of interest as this is a diverse forum with different ideas and cultural background, if you think you will be targeted you have the option to decide whether to get involved or not.

PS: i am not here to trash your opinion, just made my point as the race card is thrown around many times.
  




  

Hey, I've prepared 2 gifs for your return but I've only seen that the thread is locked just after I finished them so I'll reply them here, I don't want that my work to be in vain:
How do you think it went when you came back :
https://i.imgur.com/Yq7ZjAl.gif
How it actually went:
https://i.imgur.com/gP4kJ7B.gif

First thing is, theymos has nothing to do with signature campaign.

Second thing is, if a company or chipmixer think that they don't need to advertise on Turkish board or any other specific boards then we have nothing to do. Its their choose they could assign their representatives accordingly. Always there is some requirements from the team and campaign manager work accordingly. It wouldn't be granted if a participant complained why he were not accepted. As stated on the campaign rules, Darkstar reserve all the right as below,


So whoever will apply they should read all the rules very well. Complain about not accepted isn't appropriate on this case. Should everyone blam to CM who had not accepted? If say I am quality poster bla bla bla then it will not change the fact. A manager know very well what kind of participants he need. It's just not for chipmixer, I believe every manager look for participants according to his requirements.

There's no coordinated attack in progress against the Turkish community--that's all in your head, sorry to say.  Nor is this some sort of case of racism/nationalism/whatever on the part of DarkStar_ or Chipmixer or anyone else.  The campaign is extremely competitive and there aren't that many slots.

Blue-blooded native English speakers get turned down from Chipmixer all the time.  It doesn't have anything to do with where you're from, because I can almost guarantee you DarkStar_ doesn't even know in most cases.  It all has to do with how good your post quality is and a secondary consideration is how trusted on the forum you are (as I understand it). 

This thread reeks of jealousy and playing the race card, even though there isn't exactly a specific race involved that I know of.

You have to update topic with TRUE INFORMATION https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219538.msg53682169#msg53682169, don't just post lies!

I have no idea what Vispilio is talking about, I don't have any voting power. I asked to be blacklisted from DT long time ago and as I am aware I am still blacklisted. I literally asked forum members to exclude me. There are 2 of my threads mentioning this.

I will always counter which I think is wrong -ve feedback, especially if it is wrong retaliatory feedback.


On side note, I wonder if behavior of certain individuals is somehow related to some tagging in the past, because something reminds me so much of Tokensuit's team member rants(please read posts inside these topic):

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5138319.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5138273.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5138312.0

And they actually asked theymos to ban account! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5138319.msg50859238#msg50859238) Sound familiar (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219569.0)?


This topic is black PR and defamation.

Would it be racist if I suggested to Vispilio that it's time to unbunch her panties and lock the thread?

It must have been that Kalemder pretended to be turkish all this time but he is actually not. I’m sure he PM’ed DarkStar with his non-turkish KYC otherwise he wouldn’t have been accepted. What other explanation would there be?

And do what, exactly? Theymos allowed hundreds of bounty campaigns to spam the forum while paying participants in made-up tokens. If he didn't stop that, there's no way he's going to interfere in a Bitcoin paying campaign that doesn't break forum rules.

From what I've seen, "the Turkish community" is something that only people inside that community see as something that separates them from the rest of the forum. I couldn't care less which country you live in, and I'm pretty sure most forum users think that way.

If you didn't apply for the campaign, your post was off-topic. DarkStar_ assumed you applied, and rejected you. Since you didn't even want to apply, I don't really see what the problem is.

Agreed!

So you're saying you can't call it racism if you don't get selected for a job that 150 other people applied for too?

I actually tryed to emphatise with you in the beginning , and understand why it has come to this thread and maybe there was some truth behind it .
But seeing this last post you've just made ....  You're a complete waste of oxygen . You speak of discrimination , "racism" , but this post you made is the exact same thing , if not worse then what you're accusing Darkstar of .
You sir are an retard .  And I'd suggest to stop watching action movies , and focus on a hobby that actually has a connection to reality , and not your fanatic , turkish version of Liam Neeson wannabe.

ohhhh shame on me for making a minor tone inflection and showing a little bit of emotion, otherwise the pure sensitive angels of this forum would have obviously done the right thing and spoken up against the glaring injustices being committed daily here, what a missed opportunity for us  :)


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oh after 3 days of stressful ruminations, and about 100 slanderous messages against me dominating the Reputation section, did the "famiglia" finally let Darkstar_ include 1 Turk ?.. Wow what a provably fair outcome  ;D

Even going by the bare minimum statistics, Turkish boards should have already had at least 2 members representing Chipmixer, before Darkstar_ was begrudgingly convinced that it would be the "politically correct" strategic move to include one...

I'm disappointed that my application was rejected, but I can't seem find any factors on which to deflect any blame.

1. I'm of Arab ethnicity, but that doesn't mean anything.  There are plenty of Arabs in the campaign, ones who actually post in the Arabic local boards (hmmm?)
2. I'm on DT1, but other DT1 members applied and got rejected.
3. I have earned a bunch of merit.  Again, like others who've been rejected.
4. I like DarkStar_, and consider him a friend and mentor.  I would like to think he likes me as a human also, yet I still got rejected.
5. I have DarkStar_ included in my trust settings, and he's included me in his.

So why did I get rejected?  Could it have been a business decision that isn't influenced by my ethnicity, DT status, merit earned, how friendly I am, or my trust settings?  If DarkStar_ thought that my participation would benefit ChipMixer's advertising campaign, I'm sure I would have been selected, but obviously that wasn't the case.  That's the only factor I can imagine would lead to the decision, and I have no reason to suspect any other.


There are three things that really bug me about this thread:

1. A sense of entitlement.
2. Cries of racism.
3. Inability to accept business decisions for what they are.

@Vispilio, we've had our disagreements, but I don't have anything against you.  I'm sure you're a very helpful member to the Turkish local board, at least it appears that way to me.  But this kind of thinking isn't helping you or the other members of the Turkish board.  Stop trying to make nationalistic or ethnic war out of it.  By doing so you are only adding to the perception that you are incapable of being rational, and indeed it demonstrates poor judgment.

I agree wholeheartedly with both of these statements, suchmoon.  I have never seen a more nationalistic community than the Turkish one--or at least they have the most members loudly vocalizing such sentiments.  But the truth is that I don't think anyone in power on this forum is against members from Turkey.  I certainly don't have any problems with them because of where they live or what religion they practice. 

It's the behavior of some of these members that disturbs me--it's almost radically nationalistic and not just a little bit paranoid, too.  And as I said previously, the issue in this thread is about the Chipmixer campaign and I'm not sure some folks realize just how competitive it really is.  Hell, I got rejected once and I know other members who've been rejected multiple times.  You just have to roll with it and not take it as an affront to 1) you, personally; 2) your nationality; or 3) your religion or political affiliation. 

Railing on about the unfairness of it all is simply ridiculous.  We're all dealing with the same world and the same unfairness and many of the same problems.  Why bitch to people who've got their own fucking problems?

Are you going to provide evidence to back up your words or not?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5220060.msg53682633#msg53682633

I'm pretty sure that even if some members are spreading false or even true accusations to those turkish applicants Darkstar's decision would remain unbiased and he will just accept the best members of the forum applying for their campaign. Darkstar would still personally check each applications and do some background checks but mostly the one who will get that spot will be about who posts the educated and of high quality posts here in the forum. And maybe it is the main reason why the Turkish board isn't having any members part of ChipMixer.

Apologies for the mistake. My method of going through applications has been to use my alt account, and put anyone who I am not accepting onto that account's ignore list temporarily. Most likely, I saw your post in the thread, took a quick look through your posts, decided that you didn't particularly meet what I was looking for (I had other "better" Turkish members apply) and denied the "application", even though it didn't exist.

Sit back and relax and think for yourself, is it not excessive when there are users here wanting to have a dedicated board while we only have 20 local boards and one skandinavisk local board which includes users from Sweden, Norway and Denmark and we have 195 countries and here you are trolling about the unconstitutional selection procedure in a campaign that only one Turk is selected in the campaign  :D.
Chill out mate have fun once in a while rather than taking things personally  :-*.

No, you don't start post like that. OP is lying. He posted bunch of words which have no connection to reality and is trying to make people believe in them:


"Well documented manipulators like suchmoon and marlboroza" literally opposed flags against Turkish members, if you want to know, including account Vispilio:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5181603.0

I would really like to know where is manipulation well documented.

No need to apologize. I am not offended. I am aware of you have a hard job. And it is not easy thing to choose limited person from a lot of appliers. I didn't apply because I knew I was not suit for your positions. Because I am sure that everyone on this forum wants to work with you anyway.
Our concern about people behaviour. So many needless accusations has been created and some of member acting without justice.

If you truly believe that's what's going on then I don't know why you would even want to be in that campaign.

And saying that Kalemder is a "politically correct" hire is quite unfair to him.

The OP has been throwing the race card around. It is a morally repulsive thing to do, it is disgusting.

The premise of this thread is just another case of misdirection and hoping to get some sympathy along the way.

Everybody else already explained the obvious:  Why Vispilio is wrong.  You just hit the deeper implications.

A warning to business owners and managers:  Avoid Vispilio (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=982288) like plague.  He has hereby clearly demonstrated that if he does not get the deal he wants from you, then he will wage a defamatory public smear campaign screaming that you are “racist” (!), and demanding that theymos intervene in your private business affairs (!!).  If you are ever approached by Vispilio for a deal of any kind, please read what he himself says in this thread—and then decline all contact with him as firmly and cleanly as practicable, for your own protection!

I will be red-tagging Vispilio again for this reason, with this post as the reference.  I suggest that others do the same.  I will further consider tagging some of his supporters on this thread, for the same reason.

When time permits, I will update my active Reputation thread about Vispilio (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219981.0) (q.v.) with appropriate quotes and cross-references.

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ChipMixer does not deserve this.

DarkStar_ does not deserve this.

They are both good, honest people.  A despicable cretin is opportunistically exploiting the moment of a scandal which does not involve them (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219538.0), and attempting to drag them as innocent bystanders into a crossfire with his own addition of smear-job accusations against them.  Said cretin’s transparently malicious motive:  Revenge for not being given a business deal.  The whole situation is not only wrong:  It is sick and sickening.

I say this as someone who has no interest in joining the paid ChipMixer signature ad campaign.  If DarkStar_ were to offer me a slot today, then I would politely decline it for the reason that I do not wish to take a paid signature at this time.  As I have stated before in public (and in private communications with several different campaign managers), I don’t absolutely promise that I will never take a paid signature—I am not rich; it would be imprudent of me to totally foreclose that opportunity.  But I am very reluctant to ever take a paid signature; and nothing will foreseeably change that.

I have nothing against good posters who take paid ads.  I thank DarkStar_ for running the ChipMixer campaign in a way that benefits the forum by paying top money for top quality—and I appreciate that ChipMixer is essentially funding good forum contributions as part of its advertising model.  I just want to avoid a paid ad myself; and besides, if I were to take a signature ad, then where would I put my beloved PGP identity-key fingerprint (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3107429.0)?

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This space is reserved for any edits that in the future may be necessary to add information supporting my forthcoming new negative trust feedback on Vispilio.  If I substantively edit this post, then I will first archive it, and also add the archival link here for versioning purposes.

Well said! I completely agree with you and everything in that post. They don't deserve this!

This topic is just disgusting. Vispilio should put himself on ignore.

You must have a PhD in geography :), but it goes a little bit deeper than that, of the 195 countries you mention, Turkish section ranks at number 3 and gaining fast on number 2 on local boards in hits and engagement,

and this despite the fact that most people access this forum via VPN in Turkei because it's banned by the primary Internet provider...

Imagine the level of crypto enthusiasm originating from Turkish sources then, and decide for yourself whether it's a good business decision to include some Turkish members on a mixer campaign,

so unlike what the experienced schemers will keep telling you, the rational move here is to question the judgement and motives of at least the campaign manager,

who, if I'm not mistaken, also wears the hat of forum treasurer, which poses a conflict of interest for a number of political reasons...  

The number of users now accusing others of being racist or prejudice is astonishing. In recent times it stemmed from just two users that monopolised themselves as representatives of the Turkish language board when they had no such mandate.

Since then others have jumped on the bandwagon and say what they want, when they want - if they cannot get what they want.



The main protagonists behind the negative PR should lower their heads in shame



;D

And her response is.......

The thread which suchmoon linked was started by my fans without my involvement.  From page 5 thereof, here is some fan art to answer your question:  I am a “WANTED” man, a “smartass, threatener, Bitcoin wizard, and politically incorrect Copper Member”.  Credit:  Regana.  Oh, and I have a “cult following (http://bitcult.faith/)”.

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Indeed.  That is why I put talk about myself up top here:  It’s wise to smile a bit before addressing Vispilio’s latest version of his crackpot argument.


Perhaps he took your advice, but he still lack self-discipline (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219538.msg53679891#msg53679891)?

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Assuming the grounds of Vispilio’s latest post arguendo, just to save time quibbling over irrelevant bits of incorrectness:


Boldface supplied.  Why, what an apparent change of tune from accusing DarkStar_ and/or ChipMixer of “racism” and demanding that theymos somehow dictate their business!


Or maybe not.  That is a paranoid ideation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219538.msg53679226#msg53679226) which makes no sense in the manner of, “It’s not right!  It’s not even wrong!”

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I hear that there is this place called “Cryptotalk” which “pays for every post”.

...and I have a small conspiracy theory that it was founded by élite Bitcoin Forum members, for the purpose of protecting the Bitcoin Forum by siphoning off all the spammers.  It would work best if they “pay for every post” in Yodollars; do they?  I have not checked.

So, what do you say, wolwoo?  The Bitcoin Forum is not paying off for your quality of efforts; perhaps you and your friends should try “Cryptotalk” instead? ;-)

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For my part, I can and will tell him whatever I please.

(And I was obviously working on the above before you posted.)


Look in the mirror.

It's called "advice", which he can (and will) ignore.


Which ones are my sockpuppets?


Maybe start by sending theymos a PM then. Creating a bunch of threads just makes it look like another cryptohunter infestation and probably hurts your chances of getting across whatever it is that you're trying to say.

As hard as you might find it to believe, this thread has very little to do with you, the only relevant part being the completely irrational and bizarre influence you and your gang manage to exert on Chipmixer campaign's and Darkstar_'s decisions (particularly via your manipulative tactics in reputation),

it's because you feel compelled to involve yourself in every single decision or debate concerning this forum, naturally your name keeps coming up on many threads...

So... I don't need to be stopped then?

I love that it's my gang now. Cat's not gonna be happy. Do you know if I can use my bizarre influence (it's a Jedi (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219253.msg53681511#msg53681511) thing BTW) to get DarkStar_ to raise my pay rate to 1 BTC per post?

Get ready for your red trust!  Hiss!

....oh, fork, did I just inadvertently post this from my “nullius” account?


QUOTED, as PROOF that the DT Chipmixer Mafia is only here for the lucrative bounties!  1 BTC per post, you demand!  The DT Chipmixer Mafia is just that greedy!

Now, can I exercise a Nullian Bitcoin Wizard trick to psychically insert into people’s minds the idea that it’s best to locally ignore Vispilio here for awhile?  So, he has a smear thread against good people, and other good people have told him that he’s wrong, and he can keep talking to himself here if he wants to produce of his combined more delusions of grandeur and delusions of persecution.  It gets boring after awhile.  Whereas for those who may want to talk to him, or better yet, talk about him (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219981.0), other threads are probably more appropriate unless someone has something very interesting to say which is specifically relevant to this thread.

Note loophole that applies to me, too.  Not to be interpreted liberally.

Just my two satoshis—and I can’t afford more, because Darkstar_ is getting his piece of my signature for free.  I’m not like you, suchmoon, with your 1 BTC per post price plus whatever sarcasm is paying you for covertly sarcastic operations (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5218451.msg53634206#msg53634206).  Rich, spoiled mafia brat.

Another proof that the current Trust System is completely bugged and needs administrative intervention asap.

By your own admission, you should be blacklisted and your ratings should be ignored, and yet somehow you end up as arguably the most influential member on Default Trust feedback :).

Your ban requests and non-trust related drama / intrigue driven feedback are everywhere, and even though all of your ban requests get ignored, your reputation remains unsullied, while everyone you allude to gets frivolous red ratings & exclusions by NPC smear trolls listening to the chants of the gang...

It's the complete 180° opposite of what a just and decentralized system should be. Under a mildly sane system, you should be the one with some red ratings and exclusions, especially after your frothy spiteful attempts to get about 20 members "PERMA BANNED" got completely rejected,


where are the consequences of amateur hitman marlboroza's endless assassination attempts ? (note: this side question is obviously directed at staff members)

Uhm... You're in DT, why have you not red-trusted marlboroza for the frothy spiteful things?


Which forum rule does this fall under?

This rating on nullius is a lie, and combined with the OP you are way out of line. You're out of line for a normal member, let alone a DT1 member.

With the audacity to accuse me of his own sins, #982288 “Vispilio” (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=982288) left me negative trust feedback dated 2020-01-24 with my post condemning his financially motivated smear campaign against ChipMixer/DarkStar_ as the “Reference” link (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5220060.msg53685743#msg53685743):


In the referenced post, I promised forthcoming negative feedback that I have not yet made due to time constraints.  (Those who read my posts may guess how much time it takes me to squeeze a summary of the issues into a length limit unknown to me, which seems to have been recently imposed.)  It is obvious that Vispilio’s negative feedback is a sort of advance retaliation to preempt my promised new red-tag, and not the inverse.

I will later update the referenced post accordingly, after collecting some other relevant evidence.  Of course, I will first archive the unedited original.

Please direct any further discussion of this particular issue to my Reputation thread about Vispilio, where it is on-topic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219981.0).  This is a Vispilio issue, which properly should have nothing to do with ChipMixer and DarkStar_.  They are innocent parties whom Vispilio is trying to damage out of petty spite because they didn’t give him what he calls a “lucrative bounty” (https://web.archive.org/web/20200124111133/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219538.msg53678789#msg53678789); and I think it’s unfortunate that this thread needs to be bumped, to inform those watching it that Vispilio, a DT1 (for now), has chosen to up the ante by targeting me for calling him out on what he did here.  Thank you.


Edit:  P.S., thanks, Lauda.  I was preparing to post about this on the more relevant thread simultaneously (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219981.msg53689777#msg53689777), q.v., and you hit this issue faster.  The cat strikes with Lightning speed!

Apples and oranges.
May I remind you that you wrote "deep DT voting power" in topic and I corrected you. If you want to talk about apples and oranges, create thread about apples and oranges.

Quoted for reference and archived: http://archive.is/wip/asJZj

Please update topic with new information which you shared and one of your reasoning why you started this black PR campaign. Here is correct reference for update: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5210195.msg53365479#msg53365479.

Is it the truth in those threads which bugs you?

So you literally accused suchmoon because he is actively debating!!!  ??? ??? ???

It is disgusting!

Ok, that raises a few questions. Why did you dox marlboroza-the-hitman, and is that a gold-plated rifle in the picture?

After I started posting the truths about the vile nepotism, character assassination jobs and hypocrisy exhibited by the DT mafia on this forum,
it took less than 24 hours for me to drop from DT1, and my "trust rating" went from +8 or similar to -2...

(Please note that these are minor and mostly meaningless details  :), and yet it's the main reason why rational intelligent members are feeling pressured to remain silent on all these issues for years and even exclude me in some cases, despite the vast majority agreeing with me via pm's and social media.)

Such is the elementary school level circus that is now being masqueraded as the trust system on the once foremost Crypto forum, and it makes me wonder what secrets do these people have against the founders that even theymos does not have the power to put and end to their pure evil ways...

While one of their ranks (incidentally also an entrenched Chipmixer earner) leaves me yet another completely ad hominem trust rating (a lethal offense when committed by an "unsanctified" member by the way):

https://i.imgyukle.com/2020/01/24/VMcDyq.png



Another sniveling worm (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=976210) crawls out of his hole after years to bait me in his primitive tribal mind by even insulting one's deceased ancestors (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219981.msg53689777#msg53689777) whilst drowning in his own rabid bile;

Let this stand as probably one of the lowest points that any internet forum in history has sunk (and all for about 1000 USD / month the petty mafia members are extracting from the naive Chipmixer organization and its extremely malleable treasurer Darkstar_, the prince of political correctness and conflicts of interest  :) ),

and it's somewhat tragicomical to note that theymos tried to cast out one of their self-admittedly notorious ringleaders about a year ago, and not only did he categorically fail, but he was so openly chastised by the mafia that he himself hasn't been able to express a single comment on these issues for over a year now...


@theymos, it's very easy to find my real identity; whatever dirt they have on you or on the founding members, we can resolve your problems bro, please feel free to reach out to me in person, and I promise you we can liberate this forum in a very peaceful and effective manner. I believe if you do the right thing for once after years of being pushed around by petty criminals, satoshi himself would be proud of you.


All the Best

I hope I do not get banned for 7 days for exposing the double life of marlboroza-the-forum-member and marlboroza-the-hitman - I apologise to marlboroza

About the rifle, the scriptwriters got the idea for making the James Bond movie The Man With The Golden Gun after laying eyes on it  ::)

Huh, character assasination? No no, see, you really did this yourself by posting stuff like this:


What year is it again?... Also, i'm pretty sure these "disguised" threats of bodily harm actually break the forum rules. So, I guess you've got that coming for you.

Ad hominem.... How exactly can a trust rating be ad hominem? Someone's trustworthiness by definition is largely dependant on how one acts... Not to mention my measurement of your character is not meant to "refute" your argument that Chipmixer is somehow racist towards turkish people. My rating is simply that- how i see you. (someone who i would never want to deal with.)

Aside from that, i'd disagree, and stand by the rating i've given as it is supported by logic and facts. Your choice to promote a scam (Yobit), which can be objectively measured as such, and is admitted by yours truly.

and to announce that you're going to "hunt" someone purely because he disagreed with you, well, that just makes you even more "untrustworthy", and quite frankly, a complete maniac.


You're referencing... what exactly? I don't remember this. I'm curious though.

Going to link this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219960.msg53689508#msg53689508) and this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219960.msg53692278#msg53692278) post for "assassination attempt" purposes.

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I am going to put account Vispilio on ignore now and move out of this thread, I suggest everyone to do the same.

@AdolfinWolf

 ;D He will probably report you for trust abuse by challenging what your wrote on the basis it literally does not apply to him: lunatic





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunatic: Lunatic is an antiquated term referring to a person who is seen as mentally ill, dangerous, foolish, or crazy—conditions once attributed to "lunacy." The word derives from lunaticus meaning "of the moon" or "moonstruck". The term was once commonly used in law.

Typical cowardly bully.  When you saw my “Full Member” rank, you assumed that I must be smaller than your “Legendary” status—so, you tried to beat me up.  Now, you got whipped bloody; and of course, you are whining about it.  Oh you, the poor victim!  It just couldn’t be that when you show the whole world your shameful true face, the world responds accordingly.  Look in the mirror.

And yes, I think this really is about me.  In JollyGood’s thread about your Yobit-pushing (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219538.0), your maudlin pseudointellectual pretenses, grievous unjustifiable insults, and poor lying skills instantly imploded into full-blown paranoia (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219538.msg53679226#msg53679226) about a “DT Chipmixer mafia” (https://web.archive.org/web/20200124111133/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219538.msg53678789#msg53678789) in reply to my sticking a fork in your fragile bubble of an ego.  (Sorry, DarkStar_ and ChipMixer!  I did not see that coming, especially whereas I am not even in the ChipMixer campaign (!).)

Thus if you have within your wretched little soul even the slightest shred of decency—or, as a practical matter, if you wish enjoy a public shaming and humiliation just a little bit lesser than that which you have already irrevocably bought yourself—I suggest that you lock this thread and carry on the drama elsewhere.  If you do not heed my suggestion, others may; and then, you can talk to yourself here.

I certainly will be carrying on the discussion about you, Vispilio, in the thread that I made for that purpose, q.v. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219981.0); and I suggest that others do likewise.  Transplant of divergent topics via quoting across threads is a great forum feature!

If you have any further crackpot wild allegations, “poor me” victim-mentality whining, or arbitrary insults, then for my part, I don’t mind either letting you have the last word on this thread, or replying to you elsewhere; and that is exactly what I will do, unless either others keep replying to you, or I somehow deem it beneficial based on quite unlikely reasons.  I will be gone for a few days anyway.

Cheers to the other folks here.

For the record: I disagree with red-trusting frothy-mouthed trolls like you. A neutral and/or a tilde is good enough.

As for DT1 - you might have overplayed that race card this time. This forum tends to frown upon stuff like that.

no one beat you up or called you out "nullius", you came slithering out of your hole of your own accord, beckoning to the flute of your evil overlords;

to think that this nullius account was once considered a legend around here because of his technical expertise (although 99.9% this is not the same guy, for this account is now a meaningless vitriolic vessel controlled by someone else, as discussed elsewhere) must be a small poignant nostalghia for what this place used to be...

And strangely enough, in all fairness, even a dishonorable mosquito like you has some surprising skill in eloquence, some of your writing is quite amusing :), if you had employed 1 / 10th of the mental energies you exerted trying to fight me against the DT gang haunting this forum for years, you would instantly gain the prestige that you so desperately crave by the larger crypto community...

Bye.




For the record, I have not used the word race or ethnicity in a long time, and yet it keeps getting brought up against me by every single Chipmixer and DT abuser and their trolls as a diversionary tactic it's really like speaking to a hive mind,

If theymos finally decides to take action against the mafia, and nullius is back for his further masochistic needs, we might next brush up on what is known to modern analytical philosophers as the "indiscernibility of identicals"  ;D and why even mafia henchmen need to have differing views sometimes, for their existence to make any sense...

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(a few small edits for typos and redundancies...)

Right, and if I stop saying "cunt" then you would magically stop being a cunt? Doesn't work that way.

When you say shit like this:


it sounds like the same old tripe about discrimination against "Turkish members", albeit without mentioning "the word race or ethnicity". This whole thread is predicated on some misplaced sense of national entitlement. Forget that and you'll have a much better time here.

whatever, it's nothing to do with nationality, it's a blatantly obvious pattern, but I admit it was a mistake on my part to spend so much time over the last 2 days over injustices on an internet forum.

You guys obviously have cultivated an easy profitable con job here with deep entrenched friendships built over the years, complete with many alt accounts and even loyal obedient henchmen...

And if your employers are ok with the masquerade, and administration is happy to remain silent on it and let a once great forum sink further into mediocrity, then that would be the end of that...

Good Luck

You are one seriously psychologically unbalanced individual suffering from delusions of grandeur which are rarely seen on such a scale within this forum. You elevate the word narcissistic to a whole new level and I say that with the seriousness it deserves.

One of the positive outcomes from all this drama from you and all this over-reaction from you is that thanks to your persistent illogical tantrums while being unable to justify your support for Yobit along with those who form part of your inner circle protecting it, shielding it from any form of criticism (and your downright unethical and morally repulsive attitude) it just might have helped expedite the end of Yobit from this forum. So many posts were made and a number of threads created regarding their scam that maybe it was the reason they announced they will end their signature campaign on 27th January 2020 - and that is a great thing for this forum.

My mass tagging of all members showing Yobit x10 banners will go ahead after around 1 hour from now if any users continue to display Yobit x10 banners and I will invite others to mass tag as well just in case Yobit are making false statements ending its signature campaign here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5220060.new#new

Who? The guy on the video or mindtrustmindrust?
If mindtrustmindrust 🤭then no can do, forums doesn't work like that.
You already know that don't you?

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As for this thread, I don't know what's wrong here, if I'm getting it right the OP is stating that the turkish section aren't treated nicely like they want to be,... And always being excluded to Big Campaigns like Chipmixer?... Am not seeing there's a big discrimination on the turkish section... It really is the users fault AFAIK, and the community has nothing to do about it. So nothing serious about that Local,... It is just you guys who feels being discriminated.

Also this, simply not agreeing with you...
Not every single, just pick the names. Almost half of them aren't giving any shits about issues.

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Seriously why the hell there are always issues with these campaign? Can't everybody just enjoy the whole entertainment?
Just don't be upset when you get rejected, instead let this be an inspiration to keep you up on the line. And seriously, no blaming!

With Yobit ending their campaign in this forum within days, amid the celebrations one question arises: why would Yobit want to keep the likes of Vispilio on their payroll?

Vispilio calls their business a scam yet keeps promoting it to pocket pennies.

Vispilio makes it clear he will drop their signature immediately if he got on to the Chipmixer campaign because the latter is "a coveted spot" but the former is "a scam".

I have to thank Vispilio for helping rid this forum of Yobit banners, he played his part in it.




Ladies and gentlemen this is another side to the imbecile that managed to underhandedly squirm his way on to DT before all this Yobit drama exposed his over-inflated ego and his sense of purpose.

It is not mindtrust, juss sayin.

Seems like a good time to lock this thread.

Is it more racist to prevent Turkish members from being accepted or to create a quota for Turkish members to be accepted?

What if Occam's Razor suggested that some people simply had better posts than others?

Occam is not of Turkish origin so obviously racist AF.

Everybody knows what's what here, but some are afraid to say it. It is clear that there is a group that took over the global forum. Some of them play good police and bad police, some of them the IT department, some of them provide funding, some of them support with fanatic applause. It is discrimination, but at the same time, and most importantly, money ... no one should deceive anyone.
You don't want us. You make various excuses and make our accounts dysfunctional. In the meantime, since you are the main sources of merit, you easily open new accounts and take all the good signatures with fake trust ratings and merit showers.

This thread is an great example of how mobbing could happen here on an mass level, and trust system is used as an tool for it even if the person in question is in no way an harm to the forum ecosystem financially or has scammed anyone, with real victims. Let alone critizing or questioning the bheviour of ChipMixer and it's participants made an openly speaking DT ruin down his repo to the level his own profile got painted in reds.

I think this has just made more people afraid of speaking concerns of not only ChipMixer but any other campaign containing DT powered members in that amount, as it could result in tearing down your own identity here later. Patahic approach.

The problem is that it does look like this to some who are not long time lurkers, but it is not the case, just a coincidence..

I tried warning Vispillo against this..

Maybe their should be more understanding and patience of this conclusion being presented by the less informed... Maybe not..

Come on dude, you already know the chain of events behind this hunts, if not ask wolwoo and Vispilio. Both speaking something against the political agenda here, and leading up as you see again. I am not a short term luckers if you think so, I have observed this chain of attacks hence speaking the same and even have gone through one by @JollyGood recently attacking me for speaking about both of the tags on there profile being unjustified in a manner. Truning it to something a mistake of mine which I have even apologise to him in the PM and even in the thread he linked in the feedback, but got nothing back in reply.

I don't see this as merge coincidences but rather blant curbing of freedom of speech here to the bottom of using trust system.

I'll try my best to explain why is this fuckery keeps happening around the Turkish forum:

First let me tell you this; as eaLiTy* (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5220060.msg53682047#msg53682047) earlier said, we are all netizens here. Your home country, your language, your real life friends we don't give a fuck about.

When a Turkish dude does something against the forum rules (could be merit trading, could be plagiarism or real life threat, spamming whatever), instead of taking action against that user, almost everybody (that includes the Turkish forum mod EFS) either chooses to ignore him (that's the best case) or supports him.

When you support a bad apple, you become no better than the bad apple itself. Some of those bad apples are real life friends of the other neutral apples (for now). In this situation you have 2 choices: You either kick the bad apple out, or you get kicked out with him.

Almost %99.9 of the time, the Turkish community choose to side with the bad apples.

It also happened months ago when there was a merit cycling crap happening there just like something similar is happening now. I was against that shit back in the day, as I am against this now. Nothing has changed. (Not for me, not for them)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5153507.0


As far as I see, the dt people here don't support scammers/account farmers etc even when they are their own countrymen as it should be. Similar thing happened with Bill Gator (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=370611) look what happened to his account after he admitted that he bought his account... Bam he is no more. What country he was from? Who was his friends? Nobody fucking cares. He is done.

Kenzawak (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1082600), somebody I liked much as by many people in WO. After his account got hacked multiple times, he is not trusted anymore. He is gone. He was from Europe. France? Maybe, I forgot.

Same logic.

Tldr;
Don't trust morons if you don't want to be seen as a moron even though you were always one. You can still hide your  own low IQ as long as you don't support scammers but even that was too hard for them.

You either do your own cleaning or somebody does it for you.

The problem here was that you slander all Turkish users over a mistake a person made. You are a Turkish citizen, but you are not Turkish. You're just a insidious trying to look like a good guy.

Take your 50 bucks to lick as you have been doing so far.

See? that's what I am talking about.

Quoted, and archived (http://archive.is/wip/UgDh0).

You just did everything I explained above in your 4 sentence post.

Bringing out the race card, check
Making it about signatures, check
Siding with the guy who did the mistake, check

You are the perfect example of what's going wrong.

And about your fourth sentence, I might be the most evil fuck ever existed but you can't know that. It is my past actions what make me trusted or not. Just like everybody else. I can't be held responsible for the shit I haven't done. But you and everybody else (including me) is responsible for what they (we) did.

When you receive the pathetic reply you just did after making that excellent post, it clearly demonstrates the lack of sense of morality and immaturity that some members have displayed throughout this process.

Somehow there is a sense of irony about all this recent flurry of activity which brought some of these users out of their shell.

The collusion between just a handful of users that resulted in them trying to become the sole representatives of the Turkish board has failed. None of them are trusted by the larger community, they have been removed from DT and with the exception a few users in their local language board - their reputation rightfully lay in tatters.

Before they started this campaign of collusion they manoeuvred themselves in to position trying to dupe the wider community that they had good intentions but their motive for personal gain was their own downfall. Greed drove them and as a result they failed so after they were rightfully tackled in the forum by all sorts of members they resorted to claiming they were racially targeted and played the role of victims instead. Again that was not an entirely unexpected reaction as they were in desperate need to try to deflect attention away.

Until or unless these members that brought so much negative drama to the forum reform their character they should not be trusted. It has to be mentioned that if it was not for their blind following and supporting Yobit they might not have been tackled for several months yet so the fact they failed in their collusion attempts plus with the majority of the community happy Yobit seem to be leaving the forum - it is a great result that should hopefully benefit this forum and change this toxic atmosphere created by a handful of attention seeking intellectually inept users.

 
There is more than enough evidence, observations and analysis on this thread for theymos to take decisive action and for ChipMixer to reconsider
some of their selections over the years as they are the primary financially damaged party here.

So for all the colluders or conspirators, you don't need to embarrass yourselves further by giving 20+ merits to childish low level content from a low-skill, low-info dilettante just because he has duped himself into supporting your own agendas for free.

Every other troll and wannabe assassin we observed on this thread like JollyGood and marlboroza can at least be understood on a human level in that they are doing what they are doing to be part of a broken corrupt system that promises them considerable monetary reward.

From that perspective, user ~mindrust might be the most miserable and dumbest individual ever encountered on an internet forum because he participates in evil not for any personal gain, but because in his warped self-hating broken psychology, he positively enjoys it...


My skin crawls when I have to expend even 1 sentence on such sub-human characters like mindrust, nevertheless I hope these revelations can help him start on a path of redemption and moral well being.

This point is most concern to members. This point need attention.

Chipmixers I don't think racist for Turkish. It just they prefer to select from group of people that are each friend of each other. If when look post history , merit, trust list a group of friends like to help each other gain merits, default trust and chipmixers signature. It not a problem   It not a worry if they do not red trust member for opinion. Chipmixers not only signature can find another. Let them keep it with their friends and just go another way.

If you think it bad not a fair way Contact chipmixers or bitcointalk owner to explain how change will be best way. Chipmixers signature manager can come and tell his ideas.

The first half of the OP, I think is a legitimate topic, but the second half is where it crosses the line. (maybe it isn't quite half).

It is, and should be perfectly legitimate to question why a large campaign is not being represented in a large local sub(if this was the case). I don't think it is legitimate to assume racism is the answer to this question. I don't know why no one in the Turkish local sub was not previously accepted into the CM campaign, but I do know there has been a lot of shady business and shenanigans going on among Turkish forum members for years. With the advent of the merit system, it has turned into something very similar to corruption and/or nepotism when they give eachother merit for questionable reasons, plus the acceptance of giving alts merit among Turkish community members.

The problem at one point was very likely because there was a group of Turkish members who apparently knew eachother IRL, and this may still be the case.

The OP does not exactly have a clean history himself. I don't necessarily agree with the text of some of the ratings he recently received, but I can't say I disagree with the OP having negative ratings in general.

Chipmixer can never be financially damaged just because imbeciles that manipulated their way on to DT failed in their attempt to get money for promoting them. I think it would be better for Chipmixer to avoid being associated with those that recently exposed their ulterior motives.


Though your intention is to allude of merit abuse between certain members that confronted those merit abusers, the truth is those members from the Turkish language board that have just lost their DT rank are the ones that your statement could be pointed at.


marlboroza and I are not "trolls and wannabe assassins"


mindrust is a user that contributes actively and positively to this forum. I fail to see anything positive you have brought to the global/English board though I have not looked through your Turkish language board posts.


Your choice of words make it very hard to distinguish between which member from the Turkish language board made it. It was made by you (evidently) but it had all the hallmarks of trash that could have been posted by Blacknavy, wolwoo, Vispilio and several others.

Even the criminal lawyer better call TECSHARE didn't come to their help this time. He must have been sick and tired of defending these absolute morons.

These users will need to be considered, and also likely need to be tagged & excluded for evident abuse and nepotism.

Dishonorable worm and self admitted "lauda ass eating newt" ~nullius lists 5 reasons why Turkish users should be disqualified on a pm to suchmoon:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5221450.msg53741173#msg53741173

The most dishonorable worm to have ever crawled this forum is having private discussions with the self appointed "nanny of the forum" as to why it would be in the best interests of everyone to conduct a purge on the Turkish section...

Maybe after this physical evidence Darkstar_ & ChipMixer can finally understand how easily they were played all these years and rethink some of their decisions.

The real reason why lauda and her masochistic gimp are so eager to defame every influential Turkish member:

it was incidentally a now banned Turkish member (olcaytu), who ran a successful bounty site (off forum) who provided mathematical evidence that Lauda was breaking many laws in her endless perverse quests of vengeance against the local section; she now understands that her very survival on this forum rests on the complete elimination of all veteran Turkish members...

~Lauda is the worst thing that ever happened on this forum, a pure evil, dysfunctional, nasty wretch who would be quickly apprehended and locked up in either a jail or a mental institution in real life, has managed to terrorize and even build a fake "cult following" on the once leading crypto forum...

For this forum to survive and flourish, petty criminal ~Lauda and her ass licker ~nullius should be blacklisted from the entire DT system,
not just DT1, which makes it meaningless, because in that case some dt1 mafia members simply add these useful trolls to their trust list from time to time to insure their fascistic control over all Trust decisions...  

Quoted for reference. Keep at it, log in more accounts.

do your worst, you and your ass licking zombie newt buddy are finished here, real life police investigations into your parasitic terroristic lives should follow.

By who, the corrupt Turkish police? :D

What this all comes down to is money. Lol

Excellent analysis by @Nadziratel, the wide-scope surveys he cites provide further mathematical support for this thread:

Hey, I have an astonishing idea that surely no one ever imagined before!

Instead of this:

• Argue out of both sides of your mouth to show that the Chip campaign is somehow anti-Turkish, and also show that the Chip campaign desperately needs Turkish people for Chip’s own good.
• Thereupon, insinuate the necessity of some sort of quota for Turkish users.

...why don’t you try this:

• Come to the forum for the purpose of discussing Bitcoin, make good contributions to the community, enrich your mind and spirit by engaging and giving your time and effort to good people and good causes, and then accept it as a bonus if DarkStar_ decides that ChipMixer should be proud to have its banner displayed beneath all your excellent quality posts!

Many* of the best, most active members of this forum community have categorically refused to wear a paid signature ad of any kind.  Some of those were eventually attracted to the ChipMixer campaign, because DarkStar_ built a reputation for rejecting bounty-chasers who don’t give a damn about the community.

(* “Many” is not “all”.  I observe this without any disrespect to some of the excellent forum contributors who see fit to advertise other campaigns they deem good, including some of my closest forum friends.)

In the past (long before any of this controversy), I have privately spoken to some Chip advertisers who said that they chose Chip because they perceive it as the cleanest, most reputable campaign:  They came to the forum because they are passionate about Bitcoin, and they want to engage with the community.  The ChipMixer signature lets them afford to spend less time at their dayjobs, and more time doing what they love on the forum—without looking like a bounty-chasing sigspammer!  That is a remarkable achievement by DarkStar_, and a win-win public benefit provided by ChipMixer’s generous budget for the campaign.

Indeed, it is ChipMixer’s excellent reputation that has attracted me to advertise them for free, to make a point about the importance of supporting privacy.

Now, let’s see what good you bring to the forum.  On a thread created by a whackjob who has launched a defamatory smear of Chip because he believes that a “DT Chipmixer mafia” is hoarding all the “lucrative bounties” that he so covets, you have made some exemplary contributions to the community:




Funny, that:  Lauda so happens to wear a non-Chip advertisement; and I have thus far refused paid advertising altogether.  But evidently, we must be the evil ringleaders of the ChipMixer Mafia.  MUAHAHAHAHA!

Anyway, as an outsider and a member of the public, I would be quite disappointed if your irrational thinking, low-quality vulgar writing, and raw greed as you hereby display were to be found consistent with the Chip ad’s reputation for being affixed to quality posts by caring members of the forum community.

My unofficial advice as an outside observer is that if you want a slot in any campaign with high standards, then you should renounce signature ads altogether for awhile, focus on building a positive community in the Turkish local forum, write good-quality posts because you want to, and otherwise be motivated to engage with others here for some reason other than being paid for it.  Who knows?  Maybe DarkStar_ will notice that!  Though the trick is, there will be nothing for him to notice if you’re just faking some good behaviour for the ulterior motive of getting his attention.  Plenty of people contribute to this forum for sincere reasons; and I observe that they tend to be the ones who get Chip ad slots.

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P.S., I am mildly curious about what “real life police” you are reporting me to.  As I pointed out in the other thread, you had better report me to all the police in the whole wide world:  You have no idea what country I am located in. :-)

Oh no...How can you say something like this?

Is it because after crypto talk campaign was closed down...
Vispilio (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=982288)  went from 6.6 posts per day to 0 since January 27?
or because
otto_diesel (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=951020;sa=showPosts) went from 5.7 to 0?
or
Aqualung89 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=831340;sa=showPosts) (positive trust <>vispilio) went from  5.7  a day to 5 in a week?
or
dannybrown (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=509189) from 5.3  a day to again 5 in a week?
or the merit source seeker forumalacali (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2151701) that wanted to be so involved in the forum but went missing on January 24?

Neah, it's a coincidence.
Just a how the most respected contributor, the one and only wolwoo went from 20 in two days on average in November December to 20 in twenty days.  :D

Read my lips!
Koh-in-si-duns!

forumalacali was a regular poster in Altcointurk telegram channel. He’s not sent any message since 23 January (https://i.imgur.com/gOi91zb.jpg) to the group. He seems to be busy these days.

Excellent post by stompix  ;D

The fact they failed to squirm their way on to the Chipmixer campaign hurt them a lot. These imbeciles are not representative of the Turkish board members, it is just a handful of them trying to become representatives. thankfully the Turkish board members are of a different thinking to this bunch that colludes with merit abuse and fake trust circles to manipulate their way to DT all with the purpose to go on to some sort of power trip and to get on to higher paying campaigns.

I understand the mafia needs useful idiots, but low skill, low value trolls like this are an embarrassment to any organization,

I wouldn't employ the likes of ~JollyGood even at a Starbucks, so please try to pick better peons, dear DT gang...

needless to say, all inane drivel from this butt-hurt loser is off topic & will be ignored, get better in every way JollyNPC.

Reading through the earlier posts in this thread, this makes perfect sense.

Exactly why utter low-life imbeciles such Vispilio and those that stay mostly silent but merit his every post (to show their approval whenever he uses profanities or insults or the usual illogical arguments that fail to make his case) feel the need that Chipmixer must allow one of them on the campaign because they are from the Turkish board is absolutely shocking. They are deluded.

As you mentioned, Chipmixer is a private company that can do as they please but not being selected for the campaign has given them the opportunity to play the race card and accuse others sabotage out of jealousy. The fact that they are part of a fake trust circle and merit abuse racket did not cross their mind? Maybe the fact they got caught out and exposed was what rattled their cage.

They use profanities at every opportunity and the ones that refrain come along and merit every post to show their approval. These imbeciles might be worth pity, I accept that but I cannot pity them any more.

Incorrect and misleading delusions from the scammer supporter JollyGood
I will direct you to read how he tries to defend and those who wish to work with scams he will punish if it suit him
Read this one to see what they find about him. He let you work with scam he finds if you his defaulttrust mate.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5229023.0


Chipmixer hiring a proven racist and clearly select from a small pool of mates that want to prevent outsiders or not supporting them on every view. Chipmixer hiring many that use trust abuse to destroy members accounts that may compete for their sig positions.
Chipmixer campaign manager will try for excuse their dangerous and racist behavior then make a excuse not to accept others. He tell to post in a new board first then chipmixer cheaters report this excellent post to prevent.
Not just race but any different views to this mates group darkstar create some excuses to say not suitable. He's a liar and cheat. He don't want the most trustworthy or valuable posters.


~JollyGood

Chipmixer hiring racist HugeBlackWoman hiding as ThePharmacist. Now says that no wonder that nobody from Turkish boards can be sponsored by chipmixer because posts must be in English. Clearly making broad biases claims that no member of the Turkish board have the required English level to form valuable posts. When the truth is several can demonstrate their standard of English is as good or superior to his own. They also demonstrate a deeper technical knowledge and produce exceptionally valuable posts above his own limit.

The only imbecile who was that worked-up for not getting on to the Chipmixer campaign was Vispilio.

Then you and truth or dare create accounts posting on the same subjects.

What is the connection between you all? Defending and protecting each other, all the hallmarks of collusion  ::)

By you saying that DarkStar_ is complicit with a group of friends to be racist is ridiculous. For you to call DarkStar_ a liar and a cheat shows you in the same light Vispilio and his side-kicks did. You are all part of the same merit abuse and fake trust circle and none of you deserve to be trusted.

Perhaps you should debunk those very simple and robust claims that are being made about you ?

They look to be truths that any member can verify for themselves by following the links  provided and researching for themselves.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5229023.0

I challenge you to debunk them.

The Nietzsche-abuser Vispilio and his allegedly extant supporters thus give inadvertent proof that Nietzsche was right:


The fact that Vispilio is able to foul up this forum with his words is empirical evidence supporting that quoted principle:  “Every one being allowed to learn to read, ruineth in the long run not only writing but also thinking (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5226757.msg53930672#post_classic_twitlibs).”

It is a serious problem that such small-minded mediocrities are taught to read!  Observe:  First, Vispilio abused Nietzsche.  He cherry-picked a misquote from the seminal masterwork in which Nietzsche, a Doctor of Philology, first went Beyond Good and Evil (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5221041.0) by separating the dichotomies of Sklavenmoral (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2876160.msg30171682#msg30171682) “good and evil” versus Herrenmoral (https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/Herrenmoral) “good and bad”.  Vispilio used his out-of-context misquote to rationalize dishonesty (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219981.0), which is bad.

Since then, he has been slinging arbitrary insults with all the refined verbal comprehension of a parrot who has “learned” an expectation that certain patterns of vocalization bring certain rewards.  But he does it in writing!  Rabble: 1; Gutenberg: 0.

There are so many parrots (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5221450.msg53800305#msg53800305) who learned to read and write.  Well, at least when TEChSHARE abuses Latin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5226757.msg53905122#post_philological_pedants), it is comically obvious that he does not know even the first thing about the language.  It is too bad that some fool taught him to read and write in simple English.  And what fool taught Vispilio to read and write?  Alas!

Quote from: Nietzsche, The Antichrist

What is happiness? — [...] ...not virtue, but efficiency (virtue in the Renaissance sense, virtù, virtue free of moral acid).

OP hereby:

Quote from: Vispilio on January 23, 2020, 10:46:32 AM

Since I believe there are still some moral human beings with good intentions left on this forum,

A filthy, ignorant, lying hypocrite rips Nietzsche grossly out of context:

Quote from: Vispilio on January 22, 2020, 04:08:49 AM

When you think about it, everything is an opinion when it comes to moral judgement.

"There are no moral phenomena, only a moral interpretation of phenomena" (one of the strongest quotes from Beyond Good and Evil)

OP hereby again:

Quote from: Vispilio on January 23, 2020, 10:46:32 AM

Since I believe there are still some moral human beings with good intentions left on this forum,

That is the essence of the Sklavenmoral.  I will hereby quote the book that Vispilio overtly claimed to have read, rather than the next step in Nietzsche’s same line of thought, The Genealogy of Morals:

Quote from: Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil, Aphorism 260

Let it at once be noted that in this first kind of morality the antithesis “good” and “bad” means practically the same as “noble” and “despicable”,—the antithesis “good” and “evil” is of a different origin.  The cowardly, the timid, the insignificant, and those thinking merely of narrow utility are despised...  The noble and brave who think thus are the furthest removed from the morality which sees precisely in sympathy...  It is otherwise with the second type of morality, slave-morality.  Supposing that the abused, the oppressed, the suffering, the unemancipated, the weary, and those uncertain of themselves should moralize, what will be the common element in their moral estimates?  Probably a pessimistic suspicion with regard to the entire situation of man will find expression, perhaps a condemnation of man, together with his situation.  The slave has an unfavourable eye for the virtues of the powerful...  Slave-morality is essentially the morality of utility.  Here is the seat of the origin of the famous antithesis “good” and “evil”...

OP hereby, yet again:

Quote from: Vispilio on January 23, 2020, 10:46:32 AM

Since I believe there are still some moral human beings with good intentions left on this forum,

Quote from: Nietzsche, The Antichrist, Preface

[My reader] must have become indifferent; he must never ask of the truth whether it brings profit [of “lucrative bounties”? —nullius] to him or a fatality to him... [...] Very well, then! of that sort only are my readers, my true readers, my readers foreordained: of what account are the rest?— The rest are merely humanity.— One must make one’s self superior to humanity, in power, in loftiness of soul,—in contempt.

Et cetera...  See also The Genealogy of Morals, Human, All-Too-Human, Twilight of the Idols, &c.

—Or rather, don’t.  Such books are not for the likes of those who should never have been taught to read.  Nietzsche said so!

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Object lesson:  It is a bad idea to misquote Nietzsche in my presence:  My response will be “evil” in its virtù.

Having so dispensed with the bad, we shall return more or less (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5225450.msg53957372#post_private_reading) presently to the principle that noblesse oblige.

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“Ye look aloft when ye long for exaltation; and I look downward because I am exalted.”  Also sprach Nullius.

μῆνιν ἄειδε θεὰ...  (← better than “In the beginning... (https://answersingenesis.org/)” stuff, by the way!)

But...

Quote from: Also sprach Zarathustra

Who among you can at the same time laugh and be exalted?

[...]

Not by wrath, but by laughter, do we slay.

Code:

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Quote from: JollyGood on March 03, 2020, 02:23:31 PM

Nobody takes you seriously, how can they with all the nonsense you spout  ::)

Quote from: bonesjonesreturns on March 03, 2020, 02:04:12 PM

~

I am named of Nobody, and I thus authoritatively endorse this jolly good message:  “Nobody takes you seriously.”  LOL.

On the upside, you don't have to hero-worship Nietzsche anymore nullius, you are quoting my aphorisms far more than his now  :),

"Den Dank, Dame, begehr ich nicht!" (now he'll spend the next decade masturbating over this one line as is his repressed fantasy of being overwhelmed by masculine guys while he licks the androgynous ass of a blacklisted criminal, but for all the intents and purposes of this thread, his further off-topic masochistic whimpers will be ignored as per usual)...

You have to create this fake account along with your truth or dare fake account just to troll and attention seek?

You are coming across as a real idiot

How can anyone see? Where is the proof?

Try again, this time write in legible English...

Nobody takes you seriously, how can they with all the nonsense you spout  ::)

If anyone wonders (no idea why anyone should) what the top-rated Chipmixer applicant of impeccable character and unblemished reputation is up to these days...


What's the problem with ordering something, you might ask (or you might not but I'll answer anyway). Well, the title of that thread is "Telegram promotion services: spam, inviting, fake subscribers and other services" and it sells services such as "Spam to private messages of your target audience or to the list of target groups" and "Automatic cheat of views (and optionally reactions) on your posts".

thanks to kind hearted soul suchmoon for the bump, I am indeed interested in the following services:

Yes, I know. Services that send spam. Unwanted shit hated by everyone except spammers (who probably hate it too when they're receiving it).

Yeah, I lol'ed at this:


I'm honestly completely ignorant as to why stuff like this is important, and I suppose that's a question for another thread, but I do understand that the service this member is providing is mainly to deceive people into believing a channel or account or whatever is way more active/important/popular than it really is.  

I don't know precisely what Vispilio is interested in getting from promotelega, but I see where suchmoon is coming from.  If you're using a service like this to trick people, you've lost the leg you were standing on as far as criticizing Chipmixer and/or its campaign participants.

Inflating the figures for interest in your particular section of the internet is very common, not even a crypto thing just people want to appear to have bigger 'clout' then they actually do.   View botting is most common one I hear about for videos, etc.     I  see that every week if not every day without realising, really genuine interest is hard to quantify.    

Where is Venezuela and Zimbabwe in that crypto survey at the top,  the most genuine users from where currency collapsed are also hardest to register I bet

The surveys you are referring to are conducted by ING & Statista, to gauge interest for its digital banking services, why would a for-profit bank inflate Turkish statistics ?..

Zimbabwe, Venezuela etc are bankrupt and considered to be failed states; Turkiye has its own share of problems, but it's a G20 economy...

I am lately here and seeing a huge dilemma created here under the battleground named - Turkish community v/s Chipmixer sig campaign. I think DarkStar does not have any personal grudges on these users and if they are not being selected, it is their failure not to make DarkStar convinced with the type of quality DarkStar is looking for. I am a nobody 'and I don't know them personally' but their personality. I don't think DarkStar ever dictated a specific language when they discussed in their campaign thread the preferences they have while choosing members for their campaign, and they will only choose, what they believe is better for the company and its marketing. So DarkStar needs not to revise their enrollment strategy but it is you, who needs to review yourselves.

The whole drama was orchestrated by scammer Vispilio in revenge to not being selected for the Chipmixer campaign.

In his attempt at creating problems he tried to make this a Turkish members vs Chipmixer and global board issue but he failed to divide the forum in to groups.

This is the same mentally disturbed Vispilio that claims "bosses are controlling theymos" and that "a company has purchased this forum long ago" so nothing he says should be taken seriously because he is a deluded attention-seeker:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5263008.0

Two different paragraphs, I wasnt implying that really.   My common point would be theres a margin of error in all statistics and apparent data, it can be deliberately biased or just imprecise in its nature like polls for an election dont always relate to results so there's varied levels of confidence in the data.    There is no view with perfect clarity and absolute accuracy, thats why people can describe statistics negatively because its sampling has a relation to degrees of probability though its also one of my favourite subjects.
   I've seen Turkey mentioned a few times as one of the most crypto involved countries.   I would have guessed Japan alot more then is stated because its the furthest down this road of QE progression by many years, however its also one of the oldest populations.  Anyway I'll not comment further.

CIA / FBI / INTERPOL and any other intelligence agency actively working on the Chipmixer case would be well served to do a deep dive on this thread, and investigate some very curious injustices troubling Bitcointalk for years,

where an inner circle (aptly descriped as the Chipmixer Signature cult) monopolizes the forum's most generous revenue stream (by far) by ramping up their own trust ratings and doing character assassination hit jobs against independent members who were vocal enough to point out something was askew (through mutual trust inclusions / exclusions, acting like a hive mind, etc.)...

The other post about this that can serve as a great starting point is referenced below for further guidance, there are also a few other threads where users have noticed corruption surrounding the Chipmixer campaign, all of them can be found by searching through keywords like Chipmixer bounty campaign / bounty abuse  / default trust abuse / signature cult and similar with a focus on the Reputation board, where these issues have been discussed at length a few years ago:


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5445038.msg61929091#msg61929091

It's cringeworthy how desperate the members of the Turkish community were to join the Chipmixer signature campaign and how embarrassing it was that they were prepared to collude with the DT 1 Trolls here to vote down certain unaffiliated members who aren't in any gangs.

I remember when that whole saga was unfolding. All of a sudden out of nowhere it was noticed several members of the Turkish community were involved in what can only be described as dubious merit awarding while they wanted to get to DT.

Thankfully it was down to just a handful of trolls who were unbelievably upset at not being selected for the Chipmixer signature campaign that went on to attack the campaign manager and spread rumours about the forum too: @theymos: False allegations made against theymos and BCT forum - by Vispilio (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5263008.0)

The far majority of the Turkish community were and are contributing to the good of the forum and are an important part of the ecosystem.