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Stay far away from this shady ass site.

Fortunejack robbed me over 5.25 BTC. Got on a hot streak one morning earlier in the week and went to withdrawal a couple BTC. I go to withdrawal and it says to contact customer service. A day later I get an email accusing me of Multi-accounting with some random ass username.

They are refusing to give me any additional info on how they came out with this BS accusation. What benefit would I have to make another account? I have never taken any bonuses.

Funny how when you deposit and lose they have no issues but the second you win they claim some bs to not pay you. They are some sorry ass losers who are just mad that I took them for over 50k.

I am not going to give up and will continue to slander them until they pay me.

https://i.imgur.com/7ydxDGx.png

Just saying...

Provide more evidence (pictures, conversation with support, games, wins, loss, back up all your words with proofs) or this is FUD.

There can be no smoke without fire and you clearly know what you did only that you are probably feeling bitter about it. It's written clearly in the terms and conditions that having multiple accounts is prohibited so by the time you deposit you money, you know what you are getting into.

You are not the first person to try to withdraw lots of money from fortune jack. How come the other withdraws from other people were not stopped?

@ JeromeTash

Are you the operator of FortuneJack or how do you know that OP has multiple accounts?

Ok maybe slander isn't the right word but I am going to make it well known to the community on many websites the shady shit they are pulling. What kind of evidence do you want me to post? Their live chat CS is crap they just tell me to send an email. Their emails are even worse with 0 information provided besides 'you are multi-accounting we are not paying' and they take over 24 hours to respond.

 I withdrew .2 btc from one established sportsbook that I've been verified on for 8+ years to my wallet to FJ. In about a week to two weeks I turned that into 5 BTC. When I went to withdrawal they emailed me accusing me of multi-accounting with a user acct 'PatDugan'. Idk who the F that user is and I have never made another acct. They didn't provide any additional info or evidence of why they are making this bs accusation. When emailing them back they provided once again 0 additional info and are refusing to pay.

I signed up at FJ almost a year ago and from day one verified my email and phone number. My email address has my name in it and I have offered to send a cell phone bill with my name on it. They not once have ever asked me to verify my identity. I'm confused as to what gain I would have by making multiple accts? I haven't taken any bonuses or used any freeplays in 10 months.

I'm curious if this other user they are claiming me to be has ever been verified and what kind of bs they are putting them through.

Every single claim of this type brought against FortuneJack has been false AFAIK. Therefore, please provide evidence or close the thread.

What evidence do you want me to post proving that I only have 1 acct? I think it’s on them to post the evidence of their claim...

https://i.imgur.com/w99GTvR.png

No one saying about accounts or any thing just post all details and give solid proof as @bL4nkcode give you link please post in this format then members can understand better and give you better response about your scam as you post here no one can help you in any thing you are wasting your time.

This is cool. Can you post the detailed conversation between you and FJ support. So that we can evaluate your situation. I have same issue before when I won some good amount of BTC. They hold my withdrawal because I have another account which I didn't use already for 3 years since I don't remember the password and email before. They release my funds after I explained that I don't used the account for a long time ago. It's funny that they do background check everytime a user win huge amount of money.  ;D

I will post in the correct format when I am able to get on a computer. There is no detailed convo to post as they refuse to have any convo. I’ve simply received two emails from them claiming I have another acct and they aren’t paying me my winnings. No further details besides that. 

Great, here we go again. Degen posts a complaint about unfair practices by casino and accounts wearing accused casinos signature pop up to defend it. Only on bitcointalk. 

I don’t see how the op can provide proof here. He is the one being accused of breaking FJ’s rules and terms. The burden of proof is on FJ.
Yes, some gamblers cheat, but books are also known to be scummy too and will not payout if they can get away with it.
 
It would be great if FJ chimes in and show proof why they think the op broke their rules, otherwise players should stay away from FJ and casinos that arbitrarily decide to keep players funds and winnings.

They do not need to provide you with proof of anything here, nor elsewhere publicly. You are confused as to what you and others are entitled to. Should they choose to, it is sufficient for them to show one of us.

To be fair, he just said "it would be great if FJ chimed in".

I don't see how OP could provide any proof: if he's lying (historically, the most likely scenario), he'll just repeat that the accusations are baseless. If he's telling the truth, there's not much he can do to prove it, either.

The only ones able to provide clarity are FJ, and if they choose to, they'll probably post information on IP address, browser timestamps etc which will convince anyone with half a brain that the accusations here are baseless. If they don't, however, I don't see how this thread can become anything else than a waste of time.

LOl, that didn't take long, you couldn't resist could you? Since when did you become their official spokesperson? Thankfully, the negative you left me means fark all to me and is the worst you can do. Try harder stupid shill.

And I guess that by “one of us” you meant yourself? A known FJ shill? You must think everyone here is as dumb as you’re? Why hide the evidence, if any, when it would be best practice showing it publicly to reassure players?


@FJ, how did the op break your terms? Why have you decided not to pay him?

Please tell us, so that some of us that play on your platform or that are considering it, will rest assured, knowing that when we win fairly we won't get stiffed out of our winnings. It's ok to ask, right?



 

First you need to consider the gravity of your accusation, you are ruining the reputation of a well established gambling site, I suggest you put all the necessary evidence you have in order to make this thread more interesting, if not, then you have no business here.

it's easy to accuse without evidence, you have to remember that, it's a lot of money, if you can't do it by yourself, go seek some help to get the money they robbed in you, according to you.

Not really sure what evidence you want me to post to prove that I don't have multi-accounts on FJ?

Summary of what occurred:

Randomly came across FJ just reading about BTC sportsbooks on various forums. Signed up in April 2019 at FJ confirmed my email (which is my name @gmail.com) confirmed my cell phone number. Even my username on FJ has part of my name in it. Deposited a very small amount in BTC $100 at most to check it out. I lost it within a few weeks placing sports bets. Got some bs bonus spins in the casino and maybe a small free play. They all lost. Never played in the casino besides the free spin bonus bs they give.

I didn't login again until about 2-3 weeks ago. I was getting sick of my current site Heritage where I have been a verified user for over 8+ years. They changed the layout of the site recently. Withdrew .2 btc to my personal wallet. Deposited that same BTC on FJ from my personal wallet.

I started placing some sports bets immediately. Both normal wagers and some live action. I started winning...a lot. Once I got up I started playing aggressively with house money and worked my way up to 5.25 BTC in a matter of 2-3 weeks. Never accepted any bonuses or free play. Never went near the casino. It was all just sports bets in-game and pregame.

I go to withdrawal a couple BTC and get an error message to contact customer service. I posted the screenshot in a previous post. At this point in the 10 months I've been on the site not once have I ever had any communication with FJ. I go to live chat and ask why I am being contacted to contact CS and they say you will receive an email. No additional info. The next morning I receive an email:

"Hello amelik2,
Your account has been found to be associated with multi-accounting and/or association with PatDugan which in and of itself is considered illegitimate use of the website. As this is in direct and explicit conflict with FortuneJack's Terms & Conditions, any winnings garnered during illegitimate website use shall be void.
Any subsequent Games or Services that you participate in with funds obtained from illegitimate website use shall also be void.
Further, since you have been found to have actively participated in illegitimate multi-accounting activity for the purpose of monetary gain, which is in direct violation of FortuneJack's Terms & Conditions, your account has been terminated.
 Any future dispute or accusations will be met with similarly strict measures, and possible legal action.
The amount you deposited was credited back to you account.
You are able to log in to your profile and proceed the withdrawal.
As soon as the withdrawal is released, your account will be disabled.
If you believe this was sent in error, please reply to this email or reach out to our customer service team directly."

I login to the site and they did in fact adjust my balance to my original deposit and blocked me from accessing the sports section of the website.

I wrote back to the email saying what? this is bs...please provide evidence of this accusation and offered to verify my identity. I would post that email but it contains my personal info. There wasn't much more to it than what I stated.

The next morning I get a response from them:

"System has flagged your account alongside with PatDugan , since you have been found to have actively participated in illegitimate multi-accounting activity, security team blocked the account.
Your deposit has been credited, you can withdraw your deposit after which, the account will be terminated.
Decision is final and will not be changed."

I wrote back again the same thing I wrote the first time. Asking why they are making this bs accusation. I dont know who the F 'PatDugan' is. This was Friday morning and I have yet to receive a response.

Not once has FJ ever asked me to verify my info. They have yet to provide any reason/evidence as to how they came to this conclusion.

What benefit would I have from making another account on FJ? Clearly limits were not an issue since I turned .2 into over 5 BTC. I never touched a FP or Bonus. If I wanted to have another account I would have just gone back to Heritage, 5Dimes, Bookmaker, or Nitrogen all places that I have had accounts on with 0 issues.

I have no reason to lie I won fair and square and they know it. You all should be concerned that 5 BTC is leading them to pull this BS. They are slow as hell to respond and when they do there is lack of any additional info.

 

Ahem Ahem

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3463720.60 (This claim of shady act on part of FJ was TRUE and they did give the guy his money back, but after much pestering.) Looks like the sign wearers also hv to sell der soul.

@OP see this and do provide more proofs.

My statement holds true. Read it again and take some English lessons. OP has no case until proven otherwise.


Cheers.

I’ve submitted the case to AskGamblers but they won’t take it as the play was all sportsbook and they only deal with online casinos. The case isn’t really about the nature of play so not sure why they wouldn’t, but I’ve still been in contact with them.

Once again I ask how am I suppose to prove I only have made one acct there? The ball is in their court to prove their accusation to hold my 50k hostage...

Looks like they verify users via Skype KYC but they haven’t bothered to reach out to me to do that.

What more proof can he possibly provide? Its difficult as its FJ's word against the op's.

Just saw on the FJ thread that they are not denying the op is a player on their platform nor are they saying his accusations are baseless. The only discrepancy I see is the amount involved. Op claims its 5.25 btc, but according to FJ’s screenshot his balance is 4.74 btc.




I’m confused as to why FJ posted that screenshot in the first place. It clearly proves nothing as both IPs are in two different states. One is in Maryland and the other Virginia. Two different states with over 250 kilometers between them.

FJ must know something we don’t know, some kind of evidence that proves the op was multi accounting. But they’ve posted, just like Lauda above that, they will only show their smoking gun - detailed proof - to official representatives. Who are these official representatives? Who made them representatives? What are they representatives of? Wouldn't it be much easier to present the op with the said evidence and get it over with?

I'm open to giving FJ the benefit of the doubt, but this stinks badly. What is multi accounting anyway? What benefits could be derived from owning more than one account on a sports betting website? Does it make any difference to how much we lose? Wasn't it multi accounting when he was losing?

Hopefully this all a mix up and the op gets paid soon. Pull your fingers out FJ. My 2¢.

I never said OP had a case, read again I said present more proofs if possible.

But yeah your statement that none such claim has been True is a lie clearly, since I presented a claim that was TRUE.


P.S.
My English is far better than yours, so suck it.

The registration date and the time they login somehow show that they are connected considering they have same ip. AFAIK having same public IP is common when using a vpn which maybe the OP will used as reason. But the proof is no doubt that the 2 account is connected.  :'(

Copying from the other FJ site thread:

I reviewed the "shared" IP address and discovered this IP belongs to my my work office wifi. Once I got that info I was able to confirm that 'PatDugan' (not his real name) is a coworker of mine. We both signed up on the same day in 2019 when another coworker told us about the site (possibly explains why there are 3 users?). We are different people who happened to login at the same IP at one point, but we should not be considered multi-accounts.  This is just an excuse for FortuneJack not to pay me for my big win a couple weeks ago.

As you posted on the prior screenshot with the two IP's logging in 18 minutes apart one was in VA and one was in Baltimore. Everyone knows it is impossible to travel from VA to Baltimore in under 75 minutes. Clearly we are two separate people.

"Pat" (again not his real name) has been frequently depositing and withdrawing without a problem. When we just spoke, he told me that he just received a withdrawal today!
  
'Pat' told me that FortuneJack performed a KYC check via skype a few weeks ago.  Why was one not requested for me? Maybe I'll ask him for a screenshot of the payout you sent him this morning...Why would you continue to pay one user and not the other if you think we are scamming you by making multiple accounts? That makes a lot of sense.

As I previously mentioned multiple times from day one my account has been registered to my email which is my name and phone number. I have offered to send a copy of the phone bill. I've offered to send additional documentation as well. Since you have all the IP's you will see the IP with only 1 user accessing it is my house in the town near where I live. I have no problem sending a mortgage statement and additional documentation showing that I live near that town.

Since you verified 'PatDugan' you should be able to easily determine that we are 2 separate users. I'm sure many people on this forum have a friend or coworker that also has an account on the same gaming site they use.

FYI for everyone on here FJ has not responded to my emails, they only seem to want to post here regarding the issue. This should be a private discussion but since they don't want to respond they have left me no choice but to come here and other sites. I am not going to give up or stop until I get paid...

Usually it is brother/sister/friend/aunt/uncle/25th-removed cousin, but this works too.

'PatDugan' forwarded me the email regarding the payout they received this morning from FJ. 0 issues. Funny you would think if they are accusing this user of multi-accounting with myself they wouldn't pay them...

I guess only 50k warrants them to make up some bs to get out of paying.

https://ibb.co/2sJLm9C

The plot thickens further 🧐🧐🧐

 
Thank you very much for choosing transparency FJ, but how do you explain this?

Also curious to know why you paid the PatDugan account, knowing fully well he is a cheating multi accounter and then refusing to pay his other account?

Thanks!
 

https://i.imgur.com/yeK30bB.png

Once again I am not a cheating multiaccounter. I made 1 account and logged into the site on the same IP as my coworker. I guarantee you 98% of the logins we are accessing the site from different IP's. I'm sure there have been times where we have been logged in at the same time on different IP's. We probably even have opposite wagers here and there. They posted a screenshot of us in different cities 50 miles apart logging in 18 minutes apart!

I work for a top 100 company in the world with most of the work force males between 25-60. 75%+ of us gamble online. Unfortunately we are in a state where sportsbetting is not legal yet so we are forced to use shady offshore sites like FJ.

I know for a fact that other coworkers here use the same offshore books and have 0 issues (5D, Heritage, Bookmaker, Nitrogen etc...).
Only FJ has a problem with me and my $50k+ winnings. Hell they even paid my coworker this morning that they are accusing me of being! WTF...

If you can prove this, sure if not you need to drop this. Thanks.

Actually he has some valid ground now , if FJ considers he's using another account , "PaDugan"  , then why would they process the withdrawal for the other account they're accusing him of owning .

Do you want me to post a screenshot of him getting $50 billion from FJ? Screenshots of alleged email conversations are evidence of nothing - faking email conversations is beyond trivial. Time to get educated, we do not live in the 90s. Until FJ confirms this has happened, he has no valid ground.

It is quite interesting that in your initial remark in the FJ thread you "have no idea who the F this patdugan is and that IP is so far away from where I live" but then when FJ further solidified their claims against you, it all became clear and apparent.

I've been gambling for the better part of my life and sometimes this is just how it goes. When I lived at home me and my brother played at a casino once (different PC same IP), we both used the welcome bonus and while I lost and he won they wouldn't let him withdraw due to multi accounting abuse. If you accept any type of bonus and you are on the same IP (whether it's home or work) you've fucked up. There is no other way around it, their terms and their rules state this when you make an account.

Definitely interesting, but not surprising. If I wud hv stuck 5BTC I wud hv def tried to inquire in my circle as to who others shared same site and ip. maybe he hadn't inquired prior to this day.



I think FJ needs to really put up some convincing things and not just whims... It's quite a plausible story infact if FJ conducted a Skype KYC for the other person, they shud do so for him too..


P.S. We can simply ignore the sell your soul sign wearers on the forum.

Yes, you can always ignore logic and facts for whatever reason you see fit.

Putting up IP's that are linking accounts together is not convincing? Even after the fact that the user in question says "Uhm yeah me and some buddies at work all registered on the same day, whaddya know"..

Again, you seem to be one of the people that want these companies to do what YOU think is right and just. If you register from the same IP and sometimes login from the same IP then the abuse is obvious, it doesn't matter what you think or how you feel about it. Companies and especially gambling sites are not in the marketplace of feelings.

EDIT; If you tell me that my opinion can be overlooked due to me wearing a sig then the same thing might as well be said for you since you have for years now followed FJ and tried to discredit them, right?

This was left by you in 2018:
https://i.imgur.com/VAvtq6n.png

"Will remove once solved", press the Reference link and the title says "[SOLVED]" and the thread is locked.

OP withdraw your claim and read the ToS again.

Amelik just don't care about what others said, sites like these are forced to prove you are having an another account not otherwise, they have the resources which you don't.

As I am a person that travels a lot, for me it's normal and usual to connect from a public mcdonalds or starbucks when I am away to check what games are on. When I am being asked by bet365 my last public ip's, it's not my job nor obligation to provide them with such things. Each time after 1 rush call speaking with the manager, he gets soft and things get back to normal.

Crossing at a moment an IP with someone can be so easily, more if you live in a state where online gambling is not legal yet and maybe you're using a VPN.

I am advising FJ that no further time needs to be wasted on this. If you break the ToS, then you can go home.

In what way does this post make trading with allahabadi high-risk, as per the red trust reference? Even assuming OP's claim is frivolous - he/she isn't being red-trusted but someone discussing the claim in the thread is. That paints a sad picture of FJ signature campaign.

Are you asking me or someone else? I've not left any red trust for allahabadi and just said that if he thinks my opinion can be overlooked due to the sig I wear than his opinion an be overlooked since he jumps at every chance to shit on FJ.

I'm asking you and Lauda (who red-trusted allahabadi using your post as reference). allahabadi may have a bias against FJ just like you and Lauda may have a bias favorable to FJ. Do we need red trust for that or just a "~" and move on?

I wouldn't even red trust the OP so that's where my opinion is. I accept all opinions but will challenge them accordingly.

I guess this should serve as a lesson to all gamblers out there that do not gamble with Bookmakers/Casinos who have poor TOS. I'm kinda disappointed TBH how the crypto gambling industry is handling the multi-account situation there are far better ways to detect multi-accounts than merely IPs ^{( which I have explained here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=774929.msg53906271#msg53906271) )}. UIDs are far better at detecting multi-accounts and have a very low rate of false-positive scenarios. If a solo developer like me could implement a UID verification system and would outright block the registration of a new account if the user's UID matched someone else, preventing the loss of time and money for both me and them, I expect these casinos to go above and beyond.

I do understand this is one of the ways these casinos make money and one could argue all day about reading TOS before you put your money in these casinos but TBH I believe they don't need to rely on these practices. Like if the OP had lost the bets etc the casino would have gladly swallowed the losses but when its time to pay up, they go through all this verification and stuff, TBH its shady behaviour in my opinion and this isn't just limited to FJ, I have seen a couple of other casinos which have similar TOS. What you as a gambler can do is stop gambling at these casinos and demand better TOS. Otherwise, why not just burn your private keys/seed?

Also if this is the industry standard, It looks like the most profitable business to me. Basically, in theory, one could run a casino with similar TOS and when the times come to pay up large sums and your bankroll is kinda running low, You create a fake IP log of sorts and bail yourself out by not paying the amount due and by returning the original deposited amount. No one would be able to argue against you since you will already have established your brand and one-off cases would be dismissed as trolls and shit. I will look around and see how many bookmakers and dice websites have these kinds of TOS and are going unnoticed. Looks like a quite lucrative business to me... hmm.

If your system is superior you really should go out there and sell it to big brand casinos (not only crypto ones) and you'd make a killing considering they'd save a lot on administrative fees.

As for the TOS this is how any larger legitimate casino operates. You can just go through all the big ones that you can find out there in the world and you will see.. It's nothing about "Avoid these poor TOS sites" - if anything you'd run a greater risk of losing money if you find the opposite (as they'll most likely be small-time nonamers).

Well to be honest I expected more from you reputable members , and DT or whatever .

Op is being accused of multi accounts ,  but in case FJ actually released yesterday a withdrawal for the other account their accusing him of being linked . Then this is extremelly fishy to say the least .    It's true that email might be fake as you say Lauda  , but as long as FJ haven't commented on this yet , Op's claim still stands , but you guys are literally on a witchhunt against the OP while ignoring some facts from an objective point of view .
Honestly I expected more from experienced members such as yourselves .

PS: I'm a regular player at FortuneJack , depositing regularly , withdrawing etc . Haid my fair share of issues with them regarding some higher amount withdrawals but it all got solved in a few days.

It isn't my system, this has existed for a very long time and I don't need to sell anything, It's literally a few lines of codes and you get a UID, you can then couple this with IPs if you want and you will have the ability to build a stronger case against multi-account users. But the way I'm starting to see it, they are shying away from this for the very reason I stated above. A way to bail themselves out.


How many have you gone through? Can you list a few? If it is the case I find it a very lucrative business... Also, everybody is a nonamer at some point but that shouldn't stop someone fixing the industry-standard...

It would be easier if you named the top 50 casinos and I could tell you on two hands tops (more like one) which ones I haven't played at.

I was asking about the TOS regarding multi-accounts. Anyway, I haven't gambled much in my life so 50 is kinda stretch... I can google it them for you if you want... But I have come across William hills and Bet365 and after doing a quick google search I found they have a similar rule of 1 account per person but I don't know yet how they enforce this. Gonna read more into this...

Since you all think I'm a photoshop expert. Here's a screen grab that 'patdugan' sent me of the withdrawal. If we are going to play the photoshop card who's to say that FJ didn't photoshop what they posted with the IPs?

https://i.ibb.co/7ksRyQp/screen.png

FJ has not responded to any of my emails. They have no problem posting private info of their users on a public forum but can't even have a private discussion? Nice way to operate an online gambling site...

They are also completely ignoring the fact that they paid out my coworker winnings yesterday. Please explain that?

Why don't they post the IP's of the users on the weekends or after 5PM EST? Have both users been logged in at the same time from different IP's in different areas? I bet they have...I'm sure they won't share that though because it will help justify my side even more. They already posted us logging in 18 minutes apart in different cities. If they really cared about doing what is right they would respond to my emails and do a more thorough investigation. I've offered to complete a KYC and send in doc's. They won't even respond to my offering. 

Just because we are coworkers who signed up on the same day because another person told us positive things about the site means they can refuse to pay? I'm sure many people on this forum have a friend or coworker who uses the same gaming site. They're refusing payment because we happened to connect to the same office wifi network a couple times?

How do they expect to grow their business by word of mouth if they don't allow friends or co-workers of users to get paid?

FYI myself and many of my coworkers are on a few established well known books (5D, Bookmaker, Heri) Not once have they ever given us a problem about logging in from the same IP. They have the same 'Terms and Conditions'. We are all verified users with 0 issues!

I've offered to show FJ that my deposit came from my verified account on Heritage but they aren't interested. Nice shady operation they have going on...

Reposting it here for all who have seen this thread to be able to see FJ's much better response by clicking their link.

I also find it odd that FJ only removed the winnings from the OP's balance and left the amount he deposited and did not 'confiscate all monetary funds available' on the account as per the ToS... If they are so sure the OP was multi-accounting they would surely take all funds as per the ToS. As they havent it would lead to me to believe there is at least a case for the OP.

How he did damages to the site? They had enough evidence to block him earlier

I looked up the whois (https://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/107.77.204.49) for the IP address in question, and it appears to belong to AT&T wireless.

I cannot rule out this IP address being a hotspot for AT&T wireless customers, but I think this is pretty unlikely. If this IP address belonged to your office WiFi, I think it would probably be more likely to belong to AT&T Uverse, or whatever their trade name is for serving business customers.

If I am understanding correctly, FJ told the OP they didn't want him gambling at their casino anymore, and the OP subsequently used another account to gamble at FJ's casino, and won 5 btc. If this is true, FJ should allow the OP to withdraw his deposit if they haven't already, but they do not owe him his winnings.

I never imagined FJ has such stupid rules or that it such a site, I negative rated their account since I don't believe a crypto casino that promotes fairness and freedom could have such rules as holding users funds or prohibiting double accounts.

If you take this to court you will probably win btw.

 since they atleast repaid the initial deposit i changed my rating to a negative neutral one.

Well, believe it or not, this is the industry-standard... So there is no point in singling out FJ. Most of these casinos/bookmakers try to protect themselves against abuse of bonus offers / Promotions which they run. I was pretty shocked how these casinos/bookmakers have got away with it so far TBH... There are no regulatory bodies which protect the recreational punters... Given this is a multi-billion dollar industry I'm baffled why the governments haven't regulated them so far... I guess it has something to do with lobbying but I'm merely speculating at this point... Anyway, I started a discussion  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5229352.0)recently and unfortunately what I have learned so far is that there is a massive gap in the market and people usually don't give a shit about their privacy as they aren't informed enough about why their privacy matters...

For the benefit of non-US users such as myself:

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/10/m73RD.png

As a correction, it's possible to fly in 51 minutes:

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/10/m7k1f.png

For reference sake, just in case! FUTURISTIC PLANS FOR BALTIMORE 'Teleport' proposal (https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1991-03-03-1991062002-story.html)
(Note, if you're based in the present, this link may not work)


They don't want to accept documentation, instead attempt to control the narrative of discussion by refusing to post in this thread, instead only posting in their own ANN?
Yikes.

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/10/m7veZ.jpeg

Virginia is a big state. It borders Maryland very near Baltimore so it's quite possible to get from someplace in Virginia to Baltimore in under 75 minutes. But none of that means anything. Geolocation is never accurate enough to make conclusions like these. My IP is routinely geolocated hundreds of miles away from my real position.

Maybe it is because the OP accused them in their thread as well? Did you even bother reading this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5227531.msg53916764#msg53916764)? Looks pretty conclusive evidence to me, unless you are hyper skeptic of some sort then I can't help ya... Also logging in from two different IPs at the same time isn't even an issue these days... Jeez! why are we even trying to discuss this when the OP was allowed to withdraw his deposit and move on...

Ok, fair enough. But the fact they haven't responded to a scam accusations against their casino, in the correct thread, seems very shady to me. I appreciate that others have voluntarily posted this here, but the casino should really be responding directly here imo, if they have nothing to hide as it were.


Yup, this was the nail on the head for the red flag for me. Terms & conditions that don't consider their customers, hence the useful topic title "stay far away". That's fine they want to block multi-accounting, I really don't care what so ever. My concern is they are not willing to have an accused account prove their identity, which sounds ridiculous like they want that 5BTC quite a lot! Let's have a look at their T&C again:


If they wanted to protect their customers, then some guidelines would be useful; rather than this T&C that I don't think everyone using these casinos have the technological understanding to fully comprehend. For example; on the casinos games itself, it should be made clear;

• Don't use public wifi, hotspots, workplaces wifi or any other location that another casino user may also be using, or have used in the past.
• If you have moved house, make sure you are using a new wifi connection, or check that previous owner/tenants haven't used the casino in the past.
• Accused accounts will not have the opportunity to prove their identity of innocence, whether by KYC calls or IP proofs.
• Don't refer any of the following people to the casino, or risk being accused of multi-accounting and losing your winnings:

Obviously, there is a financial incentive here not to provide clearer guidelines to customers, again this is my concern, as well as willingness to accept a KYC call. Somebody tell me if the usual standard for casinos is to take people's winnings (if you don't lose it yourself). If so, then this is sad to say the least, and it's a shame a casino hasn't surfaced in the past 10 years that protects it's customers better. Whether the OP is a multi-accouter or not becomes irrelevant at this point, the customer standards of this casino appear very low to me. At minimum, they need to update their T&Cs to make things clearer, at best provide brief warnings/guidlines on each of the casinos games.


This isn't about "do they have the right to take the winnings", which is obviously YES because they have the right to take anyone's winnings by the looks of it, which a dose of IP correlations, or vague accusations. My concern: "is the casino acting fairly towards it's customers", I believe the latter answer is clearly NO, hence me claiming that this case raises red flags for me. Why am I bothering to say this? Because if the casino isn't willing to address this, then I will, for the benefit of any current or futures users.

I otherwise hope that FJ take on my constructive criticism to better protect their customers, but this doesn't seem likely. I'm otherwise grateful that this user brought this serious case to attention of users here, for the benefit or others (whether the OP was multi-accounting or not) - which for the record I still don't believe is conclusive what so ever.

Could be because people hardly visit this board? Why bother spamming the forum with the same responses on two threads? 


KYC can be bought as @Lauda mentioned. So even if the OP is willing to verify the 2nd identity it doesn't mean much... As the Betting behaviour is a dead giveaway considering that @amelik2's account was inactive for 8 months and the day he got banned on @PatDugan, he revived his alt-account and went about his business as usual. I can totally see why they denied a KYC to @amelik2...


Unfortunately, this is the industry-standard. I started a thread  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5229352.msg53934645#msg53934645)recently and it turns out your average punter doesn't gives a fuck about T&Cs or their privacy in general. Also, there are no regulatory bodies which protect them which I believe is due to lobbying. It's a pretty lucrative business in this day and age. You can pretty much bail yourself out in case you are about to go bust, all you need to do is insert some fake logs in your database and you are saved... There is a massive gap in the market and not everyone is informed about the subject, So there isn't much which can be done at this point except spreading awareness about decentralized betting exchanges and casinos...

FJ posted this:


Can you explain whats up with those bets?  I have no idea how their bonuses work or anything.  

Does a bet require manual approval, and then they just let you add whatever you want as a parlay or something, including promotional funds?

What will happen then to his winnings? Already a huge btc drop and $ lost.

The fact fortunejack are working with proven scammers like lauda and now even paying a member nutildah who is willing to assist scammers for a small sum is a big red flag.  

50k or less now is quite a big sum of winnings to refuse to pay out?

Perhaps they need that to pay scammers like lauda and sneaky scam facilitators like nutildah?

The excuses to not pay him out look bogus.
Combined with the proven scammers and scum like lauda tman and nutildah they work with it looks very shady.

I don't see same ip on logs for both accounts. I think FJ should ask both to make kyc and if both was from same house , then but only then should block the money, until then in my opinion FJ are just scammers.

And one more thing, i don't see what is wrong if me and one of my friends play on FJ, we are not on same house and even not have same name, this i think i don't see on any casino, i agree to not play on any other account than your own, but prohibiting people open accounts and lock their money because friends play there on their own is not good at all.