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I've been visiting Somerset in the van for a few days, and last night I stayed in a picnic area and truck stop. This morning I went into the cafe for an early morning coffee, and I was offered a bottle of hand sanitiser, and asked to use some. This is obviously as a result of the Coron Virus appearing in the UK. I had no problem with complying, but I'm not sure how useful it is. Far more of a problem could be the communal use of the 'loos in my opinion.

i can understand truck stops have truckers from different regions and even abroad stopping by. but some places just go over the top when their local news says their is suspected cases nearby

most of it is media. talking about how some schools in that area had kids sent home sick.
where some students had recently been on a school trip to italy

i wouldnt mind using hand sanitiser if im shaking peoples hands or touching things a random group of people would also touch. but i would hope that the truck stop chef atleast had a high grade hygiene certificate himself. and was not wiping his sweat and snot into his hands before then touching burger buns (gordon ramseys kitchen/hotel renovation shows really highlight the real risk to getting sick)

id be more concerned with ecoli and/or getting run over by a truck in said truck stop than i would be of corona

but things get a little over the top when you start seeing people rub alcohol and hand sanitiser on their steering wheel when they are the only ever driver of their own car.

im just waiting for project immigration fear to start treating asian tourists as terrorists.. i can already sniff this sort of crap happening

The cafe has a local council rating of 5 - which is the highest rating.

The food is basic, and a bit expensive, but it saves cooking if I'm not in the mood. It has an associated picnic area, so most of their business comes from tourists, as well as travelling business people.

I think this is an example of a broad brush approach that can look stupid and pointless in certain cases, but is valuable in others.
It's far easier for the government to say something like 'all businesses open to the public must make people use hand sanitisers' than it is for them to stipulate exact type of business and specific circumstances. So whilst it may seem over the top, it leads to less confusion and ensures it is implemented in places where it needs to be (as well as some of those where it doesn't need to be).

Agree that other things can be more of a problem - regarding public toilets, having hand operated taps - faucets for US friends :) - is an obvious issue. Come out of the toilet with dirty hands, touch the tap to make that dirty as well, clean your hands, touch the dirty tap again to turn it off before leaving...

Did they have toilets and were they nice? If not I can understand it.

If a trucker is taking a pee or a dump in a truck you don't want their hands coming straight onto your cafe tables...

On an extra note, things like this add a psychological factor its like the cafes trying to scream "we're clean!".

That was your spouse doing the same thing he/she does every morning before you handle food and cookware he/she might have to handle or eat.

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+1 to the psychological factor of things here. People don't notice but that's a large majority of what people do-- to make themselves look like they're a certain way, even when they know that they're not.

But honestly I don't think it's that much of a problem. People are scared because of what the media is going to blow this whole thing out of proportion. People don't understand that while the problem is pretty big, the coronavirus still isn't as deadly as something like the Flu. But the Flu isn't news, so the media can't run with it. This is why they're running with the coronavirus.

Media loves panic, and they're going to run with this until they cant.

The hand sanitizer is a protective measure, more effective than masks.

@Kuffy that’s an excellent practice from a reputed place, and I’m glad you didn’t create a scene and simply complied with their request. Furthermore if you’re travelling then using sanitisers is a good option, but if you’re at home then use soap or liquid hand wash as those are more effective against coronavirus.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/02/hand-washing-or-hand-sanitizer-whats-more-effective-against-coronavirus/

Most viruses spread by contact.  Being airborne is just a trait - you can still get an airborne virus through contact.

Viruses can live on surfaces a lot longer than they stay airborne too.   If this virus scare makes more people aware of sanitizing their hands, that is a good thing about it.

I read a meme last night,mask can save us from corona virus but 90% of masks were produced from China. ;D

To OP, using hand sanitiser helps you really because it can wipe off virus if it presented on your hands then you will be less likely affected.

But corona is turning into more disastrous than everyone thought.

Sadly in this part of the world where I found myself in, a lot of people are just opportunists, imagine a hand sanitiser that used to be sold for 1$ being sold as high as $60, and they all hide under the umbrella of scarcity of the product when we all know its a big fat lie, I wish I had bought enough before the break out!

The active ingredient in hand sanitizer is Alcohol. Alcohol in abut 70% concentration is highly effective in destroying virus.

^^^ But the REAL question is, How long do you continue to spread the virus after you die from drinking too much alcohol?

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Only if you continue coffin. :)

The silly part about this sanitisation is that they don't use a sanitising spray on the serving counter. They spray the tables in between customer use, but not the counter that everybody leans on to pay.

Lol maybe it's just that the restaurant of coffee shop does it generally? If they don't, then it's really concerning how the public is fearing the virus... Maybe in few days we will have to wear masks everywhere :/ let's hope it gets eradicated quickly.

Right! If the restaurant workers have to wear hairnets, patrons should at least have to wash their hands!

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Mate, get used to it already because that is just the beginning actually. Don't be alarmed, I'm sure that Corona virus cases in the Europe region is not yet as as bad as the SEA. Here in our country, even we only got few cases of infected people, safety measures are still exercised. In ports, airports and even in the hotel I checked in few weeks ago, we are required to get scan by body temp. analyzer and ask us whether we have recent travel history outside the country. Most of establishments also have a hand sanitizer dispenser and most of the people you will encounter along the street wear face mask. It is my first time to experience such kind of scenario, everyone around you is cautious which is a little bit disturbing but well I can't blame them because the stigma was in there already.

Honestly, I have a dry cough at this moment but nothing to worry about ;D. It was due to lack of sleep and change of weather during my review for board exam lol. My immune system fall down but I'm now working on it since our exam was already finished.

In my opinion, disinfectants should really help control the spread of the virus. I think it’s important to keep track of this yourself and use disinfectants more often.

Time to start a restaurant for the folks who don't want to wash. If government regs make this impossible, make it a Private Membership Association, so that gov regs don't apply.

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Its more a media hocks-pocus than anything else. All kinds of cancellations, quarantines but basic precautions are overlooked.
Viruses spread easy with something lots of people touch, like touch-screens. They are everywhere like ticket-machines, self-service checkouts, cash deposit machines and restaurants like Mc. Its a bad joke, in-competed people in charge.
https://metro.co.uk/2018/11/28/poo-found-on-every-mcdonalds-touchscreen-tested-8178486/

My girlfriend is working in a call center and they just announced that everybody must wash their hands right after they arrive at work, which isn't stupid at all, everyone should do that just because of the hygiene reasons. I used to work there for couple months and it was a terrible experience to write on the keyboards filled with leftovers from food, or touched with greasy fingers, awful thing, so it might change also, people are becoming more and more aware of the risk. All in all, the virus disease might be good for the future.

People should observe sensible hygiene and sanitation procedures, and that is nothing to do with the virus. Lack of sanitation caused many of the plagues in the past, and that is why I am shocked that the US allows people to defecate in the main streets of San Francisco.

It also annoys me to see restaurant staff using the 'loos, and leaving afterwards without washing their hands. That can cause a lot of other health problems as well as the propagation of CV.

They should rather change the lights to UV and turn off AC because we know bacteria love AC filters and pipes. This is turning into a mass hysteria like most Chinese people wear face masks, even though they don't help if you're healthy. Only the sick should wear masks.
Also, hand sanitizers won't help if you keep touching things like steering wheels and door knobs. You'd have to keep washing your hands every time you touch a pen in the office or a computer keyboard.

The CV virus is not an aerosol, but it spreads via droplets, and they fall to the tables within a few feet if people cough in public. That is why it is stupid to see people wearing face masks, and not wearing gloves.

UV is a fairly new idea, the uses are not all thought out yet. As an example, if everyone carried one around and on, no matter how thick the crowd was, the disinfecting properties would scale.

Virus does not survive that long, something like 24 hours in cold winter and < 1 hr in summer.

Were they wearing plastic gloves when they handed you the sanitizer? Did they replace their gloves after handing the sanitizer to you? Did they sanitize their hands before they put the new gloves on? Do they hold their breath so as not to infect their hands, gloves, and sanitizer? Do you think that Sanitizer is effective against much of anything?

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They are just trying to prevent the virus from spreading it is better to be safe than sorry and besides it is for their employee's safety.
No one wants to be caught with this virus since it is a very dangerous and we don't know if we are still safe from it,
And I think there is no need to be offended by it instead we have to be thankful for their generosity for offering sanitizer for their customer.

The best part is the hand washing. Washing and washing, all clean now so lets touch the virus infested tap to turn off the water.  :D

I think that it is the correct measurement that is taken from coffee shops and restaurants.
It is not the way that Corona virus is going to be eliminated but it is a way to make a routine to use hand sanitizers and keep our hygiene levels at their highest.

Hygiene levels at highest, right
https://metro.co.uk/2018/11/28/poo-found-on-every-mcdonalds-touchscreen-tested-8178486/

Viruses spread easy with something lots of people touch, like touch-screens. They are everywhere like ticket-machines, self-service checkouts, cash deposit machines and restaurants like Mc Donald's...
They also dry and a bit warm so close to perfect temperature for the Virus.

On that note, (cough, cough)
https://gfycat.com/delightfulunhappyaracari-facepalm-corona-funny-edit-wow-wtf-omg-lol

Just to clarify things. It wasn't a McDonalds, it was this cafe.
https://cartgatelodgecafe.co.uk/the-cartgate-lodge-cafe-yeovil-picnic-area/

Contrary to popular belief, McDonalds is not the only provider of WiFi that I use, and I don't eat McD food.

I've seen those special UV lamps in hospitals. They are fit into normal ceiling lamp holders and there's a switch in every corridor that allows them to disinfect the area. The lamps are very powerful, so the switches require a key and the area has to be cleared before you can turn them on. Your normal UV lights (the ones used to check cash) won't work.
If itt really survives only 1 hour in hot areas this would answer the the guy who said that there's almost no cases among black people so they have to be immune.

This is the myth busting page about the virus that has been produced by the WHO.
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/myth-busters

You really need to use as much hand sanitizer as often as you can. Why? Because the sanitizer chemicals introduced into your system through your hands, just might neutralize the poisonous Covid-19 vaccine they are coming out with.

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I think for now you just have to follow the advice (using masks and hand sanitizers) this "PANDEMIC" is really making we obliged to comply with it.  in my city, in almost all restaurants, supermarkets, cafes and public toilets every visitor is required to use hand sanitizers and masks, we as citizens are not a problem with this rule (though not necessarily useful), but this is only the best way I can do to prevent the spread of the Sars-Cov-2 virus is slowing down..

see what would have happened if the rules of using masks and hand sanitizers were not enforced, there would be far more positive sufferers than now. At present governments in all countries and health workers are at the forefront of fighting this virus, we as citizens can only help by wearing masks and hand sanitizers.. 

Washing hands are much effective way of keeping your hands virus free. Sanitizers are better used in things you can't wash.
Personal hygiene and not puting hands and things on your face and holes would also help.

Washing hands is an effective way of keeping them chapped.     ;D

I don't see any problems with that. I'm a heavy sanitizer user when away from home even before this pandemic. Weird but I actually felt somewhat happy with this, that I'm seeing people actually clean their hands before entering premises.


Would it be safe to turn on a UV lamp while there are people around though? I haven't bought one but seen review vids and they pretty much vacate the room after turning it on.

Wash hands for 20 minutes at least once every 20 seconds.      ;D

That's the best you can do in order to keep your hygiene.
But the rest of us work on jobs that you are not able to leave or stop your job and go to wash your hands. Even if this happens, we should avoid touching our face with the dirty hands though.

Note that, hand sanitizers have all kinds of poisons in them. These are absorbed into the body through the skin. Even if we found a cure for CV, by the time it's over, people will be in  the hospital for cancer, etc., cause by the poisons in hand sanitizers.

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Sanitizers are far better for being shielded from viruses you're right, it's not right to the touch the face using sanitizer It contains tons of alcohol so it is often very harmful to the mouth. But it's excellent news that I used to be asked to use hand sanitizer within the office. Great for shielding your health.

So I can tell you that sanitizers are completely useless. We had an outbreak in one of the hospitals (central Europe) and I had second hand information from someone who works there.
They were being tested every week for covid and were wearing full protective gear at all times with all patients that included double gloves, face mask s with eye protection, double suits with disposable outside covers and so on. The dictoirs did not even touch patients they always kept safe distance and only nurses were doing everything under supervision.
One week they found out that half of the staff was infected, they didn't even know about it, had no fever, nothing. They were sent to quarantine for 3 weeks and came back feeling fine. This was about a month ago.
IMO a sanitizer doesn't work at all, just like face masks. You might already be infected and not even know it.
From what I've heard they had 37*C so not even a real fever and felt tired for 2-3 days, like you are when you catch a cold.

Wash your hands with sanitizers more often, so that you absorb more poisons into your body through your skin, so that your immune system becomes weak trying to find off the poisons, so that you can catch Covid more easily.

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In my country the hand sanitizer are a must in every market or caffe. I'm not saying that it doesn't help but it just kill few bacterias on your hands. I don't think it will actually stop the virus or something, but I think it is a personal thing if you are going to use it or not. On the other side, someone with really dirty hands can cause some new disease or something. So, I'm not really sure what should I think about that. ???

Thats how we are advised to wash hands almost all the time and use alcohol,social distancing 1meter away from each other.We will take the necessary precautions to keep our life and family safe from those deadly virus.

They have it all wrong. We're supposed to gargle with it.     ;D

Here in our country hand sanitizer is available in all establishment. I also bring hand sanitizer when I go out to buy food and go to ATM. You will never know when you will be infected by the virus. Its better to be safe than sorry.

You're right, we usually come in contact with a lot of things when we go out a lot without our knowledge in which case hand sanitizer plays a very effective role  this enables us to simply disinfect our hands. And be ready to affect the infection of the virus we should always all take this precaution and everybody should be advised to use it it is a good idea to remain safe Everyone will use hand sanitizer to stop the virus keeping in mind themselves and their families.

Why do we use hand sanitizers? Because they supposedly poison Covid to death.

Is there anybody else the hand sanitizers are poisoning to death.

Go ahead. Use them. Weaken your immune system with them. You will never be able to avoid all the Covid. When your immune system is weakened from the hand sanitizers, you will catch Covid a lot easier.

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