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A look back at 2019 and a look forward at 2020. Join us as we look back at the exceptional progress Bisq made in 2019, analyze where Bisq is now, and plan for its future.

This call is particularly important for current contributors, prospective contributors, and stakeholders—it details a number of key organizational changes (effective immediately) that affect day-to-day work, compensation, and priorities.

It's a lively night on the Bisq network, especially in BTC/USD.

There's a whole WALL of offers that will **get you signed** so you can finally trade >0.01 BTC.

Take advantage!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESpD8F3VAAErVJv?format=png&name=small (https://twitter.com/bisq_network/status/1236875902266396673)

Congrats on the new ANN page! Been using Bisq for nearly a year now & can't fault it.

This is the future of exchanges - the beginning of the end for scammy centralized exchanges - great work!

It's very good that someone finally created a Bisq announcement thread! The community of this decentralized exchange should increase in order to increase the volume on this exchange. It meets all the most important features for exchange, but unfortunately liquidity makes me rarely use it. I hope this thread will improve this situation!

targets for this week -->
1000 offers going online through thursday
200 trades completed

results -->
762 offers went online
129 trades completed

05 march 2020
Market          Volume  # trades
AUD                0.03    3
BRL                0.145    3
BSQ                1.3223    13
CAD                0.0985    3
CHF                0.05    1
DASH            2    1
ETC                0.023    1
ETH                0.035    2
EUR                1.6414    38
GBP                0.2646    7
LTC                0.025    2
USD                1.2121    48
XMR                4.9722    7
Total           11.8191    129

apparently, bisq averaged 100 trades per day in february 2020 for the first time ever.  8)

please note, the Bitcoin2020 conference, where Bisq will participate is now delayed to Q3 due to the ongoing global corona virus situation.
Full details can be found in this article: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/postponed-bitcoin-2020-is-moving-to-q3-2020

I want to say that educating people is needed as first, to improve liquidity, and the volume will increase over time.

Deal alert, USD buyers.

0.0623 BTC up for sale at 0% spread.

That's 6,230,000 sats for $352.

via US Postal Money Order:
- no account signing required
- no bank suspicion risk
- no chargeback risk

If you haven't tried USPS money orders yet, they're a breath of fresh air.

FYI, USPS money order is actually the 2nd-most common form of payment on Bisq for USD

fyi -- there was an issue with bitcoin node detection in today's v1.2.8 release,
so we've recalled v1.2.8 and will release v1.2.9 soon to fix.

if you're not having any issues with v1.2.8, feel free to carry on using it.

Read that this decentralized exchange supported national fiat currencies. Could you provide me the list and does the exchange support bank transfer (i mean if i sell my crypto for fiat on there will i be able to withdraw the fiat into my bank account)?

hi, not sure what country are you from?

you can first check on the Bisq website if your fiat currency is supported:
https://bisq.network/markets/

in general, you can sell your crypto for fiat, another person on Bisq is buying from you and pays for it into your bank account, and after the money arrived you send the bitcoins.
it all depends on your bank and your country/fiat currency. many countries and banks or payment services are supported. so you may be able to receive payments.

Ok but despite the exchange is said to be decentralized, i dont feel quite easy with the part of trading with another person which may somehow have my bank information or that not how it works?

Does anyone know if it's possible to start the client specifying a different location for the user data?  I'd like to use a different location than the standard C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Bisq in windoze.

Thanks.

hi, i am not 100% if you can do that but it sounds not too much of an unusual thing someone might want to try.
i suggest to maybe search the Bisq forum (https://bisq.community/) or join the keybase channel (https://keybase.io/team/bisq) to ask more questions, as mentioned above on keybase is a #support sub-channel where some volunteers could answer your questions. when i had more specific questions or problems it was always the best place to go and ask.

Hi layer1gfx, thanks for the answer. I searched through the forums but didn't find anything relating to it, I should probably join the forum & ask. Keybase won't load for me, probably due to my security settings, but I'd rather not lower them so will try the forum as I said.

Thanks anyway.

hi, If bisq is decentralized, so is it possible to add a token like on ForkDelta? Or does it require some registration or confirmation as on IDEX?

Posted by Steve Jain on 8 April 2020

About 24 hours ago, we discovered that an attacker was able to exploit a flaw in the Bisq trade protocol, targeting individual trades in order to steal trading capital. We are aware of approximately 3 BTC and 4000 XMR stolen from 7 different victims. This is the situation as we know it so far. The only market affected was the XMR/BTC market, and all affected trades occured over the past 12 days.

Bisq v1.2, released in late October 2019, updated its trade protocol. It improved decentralization by removing arbitrators with a 3rd key in the multisig escrow used for bitcoin trading funds. These arbitrators were replaced with 2 new roles: mediators and arbitrators with no keys in the multisig escrow. With no more trusted third parties, the new trade protocol also required that trade parties move bitcoin trade funds to a Bisq “donation address” after a hard time limit in order to solve dead-locked trades.

This donation address is set by the Bisq DAO and approved by DAO stakeholders. Bisq software did not verify that the payout address for trades was actually the Bisq donation address set by the DAO before signing and sending the time-locked payout TX to the trade counterparty. In plain words, this exploit was the result of a flaw in the way Bisq trades are carried out, not in the way funds are stored (i.e., there is no honeypot since Bisq is P2P).

As soon as this attack was discovered, Bisq developers used the alert key to disable all trading on Bisq. The flaw in the trade protocol has been corrected in Bisq v1.3.0, now released (https://github.com/bisq-network/bisq/releases/tag/v1.3.0). Bisq is properly peer-to-peer, so alert key functionality can be bypassed by users, but this is highly discouraged.

A proposal will soon be created in the Bisq DAO, Bisq’s funding mechanism, that will aim to repay the 7 victims from future trading revenues.

Security has always been a top priority for Bisq, but this incident shows it wasn’t perfect. The project is evaluating several approaches to strengthening security reviews and practices even more, and will detail them soon.

In the past 4 years of operating on mainnet, Bisq has never had to use the alert key to enable “safe mode” on Bisq nodes, and this is an unprecedented case for the Bisq DAO. The Bisq developer community sincerely apologizes for this security failure.

One more release for you today.

v1.3.1 fixes a bug that marks valid trades as failed trades, and it also improves delayed deposit transaction verification.

To prevent further issues, we're requiring everyone to update to v1.3.1 to continue trading.

https://github.com/bisq-network/bisq/releases/tag/v1.3.1

Didn’t know bitcointalk haven’t had a thread about bisq. So thank you so much for opening this one.
I haven't used it for a long time. But I can remember that the number of direct trades for Fiat (Sepa) <-> BTC was very small. Is it still like that?

Bisq will work to implement support for Liquid as a base layer and become a Bitcoin Layer 3 Network on top of the Liquid sidechain. For those who wish to keep using Bisq as a Bitcoin Layer 2 Network on top of the base layer Bitcoin blockchain, this option will still be available.

This is a follow-up release that adds the latest Tor version (v0.4.7.8) to improve Tor connectivity.
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Improvements

• Create new XMR subaddress for each trade
• Improve XMR proof service
• Reset Tor directory when a new release is downloaded
• Adopt economyFee recommendation from Mempool rate provider
• Add chart series for total trade fees
• Show changes in BSQ Supply over time
• Prevent account creation for banned Revolut GBP sort code 040075
• Improve wording & appearance of trade shutdown dialog
• Prevent shutdown if trade is in process of being taken
• Mark user's own offers in Market -> Offer book
• Attempt self-ping 3 times before reporting error with connectivity

Bisq exchange is working on big update for their new version 2.0 with massive UI changes and improvements.
This is not released for public yet, current version is 1.9.2, but according to screenshots I saw this looks amazing and it improves privacy.
There is a new welcome screen, Nym profiles are available, and you can simply navigate with clicks and sliders, Lightning, Liquid, etc.
It appears to me they hired some new people to help them make it very easy to onboard new users to Bisq.

I'm anxious to play with it, and hopeful we'll see a beta release in the next few months.  Unfortunately there isn't a set timeline for 2.0 release, but I expect some of the features will be implemented in minor version updates of 1.9.x as they get validated.

I would like to see more people using Bisq, and not considering it as some complicated boogeyman exchange.

Bisq is currently available for desktop os (with mobile notifications), but it would be cool to have some basic mobile exchange version as well.

The first improvement they should work on is with the software itself, instead to work on features and alike.

I don't know about you guys but to me, the software is really hard to use. I don't mean how to use it because a kid can do it. But it takes all the memory of my OS. Up to the point, I can not do anything else, not even keep a browser open. I often need to shut down the machine or software and try again and again...

When I have a transaction to confirm, if I need to do it before tonight, better I start to try early in the morning! I can not stay behind my screen all day long! I know, my specs are not huge (4+2 GB ram) but I believe it should be far enough. No idea what others use, I started to wonder if it could be better to run a VPS (considering you manage the security of the server efficiently or move your coins once finished)

I don't know what to say. Perhaps making a light version or something around. In a release not long ago, it was nicely improved but then in the next version, the problems start again. (usually the DAO synchronization).

I remember when I talked in PM with someone here, he told me he can't use it properly with less than 16gb RAM.

By the way, with the mobile application, you only receive notifications right? You can't do anything else (i.e. confirm a TX)

Bisq is currently available for desktop os (with mobile notifications), but it would be cool to have some basic mobile exchange version as well.

I would too.  It's interesting that I don't see much advertising done by Bisq.  I guess since it's not really a "business" in the traditional sense of the word, the expectation is that it'll grow organically by word-of-mouth advertising.  I've been doing my part, lol.

I would too.  It's interesting that I don't see much advertising done by Bisq.  I guess since it's not really a "business" in the traditional sense of the word, the expectation is that it'll grow organically by word-of-mouth advertising.  I've been doing my part, lol.

I played around with Bisq some years ago, but never really used the service in earnest until around 8 or 9 months ago.  Since then it's been my favorite ('hehem, to borrow n0nce's term) on/off-ramp.  But it's also my favorite way to exchange BTC/XMR.

I'm in front of a PC most of the day, so I likely wouldn't get much use out of a mobile app, but I agree that would help draw more users.

I don't know how it would be supposed to work with Bisq's current architecture, though. It requires at least the trade offer 'maker' to be online at all times, which is going to be hard on a mobile phone.

Atomic swaps would be best for this purpose, but I don't know what happened with project that offered easy BTC/XMR atomic swaps.

They would have to change a lot of things for sure, but some lightweight version could be created, at least for atomic swaps.
Misq is Bisq next-generation trading protocol, so I am expecting some nice surprises with new release.
There is one video about that release on their youtube channel with more information:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOarJpbg4EY

As far as I know, the challenge with Monero swaps was that it doesn't really have a scripting language which allows for what basically are simple smart contracts.
However, they started to work on a dedicated (as in 'not just using existing technology such as a scripting language') atomic swap 'feature' a few years ago and apparently it's live since August 2021.

But I'm considering designing myself a Bisq profile picture in the future.

Thanks for that; I have to check out what all this Bisq 2.0 fuzz is all about! ;)

Nice avatar you got there, n0nce.  It suits you.

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I'm interested to see what Misq offers as well.  I've heard there'll be a social trading platform, and possibly some a lending platform as well.  Another P2P exchange has implemented a lending platform, but I haven't played with it.  Recently I've been avoiding any services that employ custodial wallets, and especially ones that request my identification.  That's one of the reasons I'm so pleased with Bisq.

I have heard that the bisq team is in desperate need for Java developers, so I'm assuming the Misq will be programmed in Java just like Bisq.  I'm not huge fan of Java, but if it's a stand-alone program it's less of a security risk than java web apps. 

Thanks! I made it myself, promoting a few services that I find important to get more exposure, for free.

Interesting. Do you remember what that other P2P exchange is called?

That's a pity. Rust is becoming more and more standard for important projects, especially in the Bitcoin space. I don't code in Rust myself, but I find its features and safety guarantees extremely useful.

I've avoided using these exchanges because AFIK they do require KYC.

Why do you avoid exchanges that require KYC? What's bad about it? What are you afraid of? Why do tens of millions of users have passed KYC and don't think about anything?

One of the reasons is some exchanges Block users from certain countries using their services by identifying them from KYC. So they can't use such exchanges to buy or sell Bitcoin. Platforms like Bisq are a great option.

Another reason to use p2p options whenever available is because that's how bitcoin was intended to be used.  The premise of institutional commercialization and  KYC requirements is the antithesis of the philosophy behind bitcoin.  It's meant to, and capable of freeing us from the Surveillance Sate.  Whenever people comply with KYC requirements they are only enable the SS to march on.

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Not to stray to far off-topic; but this one of the reasons I'm opposed to alts in general.  For the most part they've been largely (by volume) scams, and the ones that aren't have largely failed to live up to promises.  There are notable exceptions, of course.  However, they have also served yet another sinister purpose that may or may not have been anticipated: Alts have largely become a mechanism for "legitimate exchanges" to get rich while selling out our privacy to regulatory agencies.

As this pertains to bisq; it is a very bitcoin-centric platform, but it does provide for convenient trading of XMR and it does offer provisions for trading many other alts.  So, even alts can be traded p2p and without KYC.

P2P cannot give as much money as a crypto exchange can. For example, Carl The Moon has more than a few hundred million dollars and never hides from anyone. Why should an ordinary citizen be afraid of someone with a maximum of 0.10 BTC in their wallet?

UST has been on the crypto exchange since the beginning of May. And in order to withdraw it to another wallet from the exchange, the exchange requires a huge commission. So I am locked with UST on the crypto exchange forever - when placing a sell order for 1 USDT order, they don't execute it, and they don't allow to withdraw it to exchange it with other users

That's a pretty stupid statement. Satoshi could send an email to Adam Back tomorrow, negotiate a P2P trade with him for 1 million BTC, at a price that satoshi wants and Back can pay; they will meet and make the trade P2P. No problem. He could also do the same with an untrusted party through Bisq. One million BTC would be pretty high volume, and there's no technical reason Bisq can't do that or would do it worse than a centralized exchange. Remember Bitcoin transactions don't care about amounts; those are just numbers. Everything that works with small amounts (multisig contracts in Bisq, for example) also works the same with large amounts.

Besides the fact that your first statement ('P2P trading can't have as much volume as a centralized exchange') has nothing to do with your second one (something about hiding how much you own):
There are very legitimate reasons for not wanting everyone to know how much you own. For instance, not wanting to be attacked, killed and robbed.

Besides, P2P trading is not only about minimizing the amount of people that know how much you own. Here's an excerpt of things that decentralized P2P exchanges like Bisq generally do better than centralized ones.

• No KYC required. Read: [Why KYC is extremely dangerous – and useless] (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5221497.0). Your documents can be stolen or 'lost' and used in actual crimes.
  
• Less trust required. Centralized exchanges can and do freeze funds, so every time you deposit money you cannot know if it will be credited to your account or deemed 'illicit' (even though you did nothing wrong) and just stolen from you. You also don't need to trust them to keep your KYC documents safe.
  
• It is decentralized. This means a variety of things, but some of them: [1] Censorship-resistant - governments or other powerful entities can't just shut it down. [2] No central point of failure (hacking attack / hostile company takeover etc.). [3] No business behind it that may be interested in exit-scamming their users. List goes on...
  
• No exit scam. As just alluded to; there's a huge list of exchanges that went off the radar or claimed being hacked of all of their funds, where it's clear they effectively stole those funds.
  
• No insane withdrawal fees. Related to above point: Centralized exchanges always try to make you leave your coins with them. It is often extremely expensive (e.g. $20 withdrawal fee) to actually get those BTC you bought into a wallet you actually own; or they try to convince you by offering dividends ('staking Bitcoins etc.'). As long as you don't withdraw, the exchange could go offline, it could geo-block your country, it could block your IP for 'illicit reasons' (something that can always be claimed, no matter if you did something illicit or not - keep this in mind), the exchange could claim your funds came from a crime, it could claim it was hacked and lost your funds, and other ways that would lead you without access to your money. Not being able to cheaply withdraw (read: actually get what you paid for) is a HUGE issue with centralized exchanges. Keeping funds on them should be seen as an 'optional service' and not the encouraged default.
  

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Edit: You were a fool to shitpost in here. This made me aware of your scam attempts and got you another Flag Support. I still hope my post helps someone else.
Funny though, that you're experiencing the downsides of a centralized exchange and come here telling everyone how somehow centralized exchanges are better than P2P decentralized ones...

How do buy the suggested first 0.002 BTC (two millibitcoins) to start?

I already posted in the particular subforum marketplace where I am looking for someone to buy a small amount via Paypal Friends/Family (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5409084.msg60730914#msg60730914) but without luck yet. In case I get to my first 0.002 BTC I would really like to download, install and use Bisq. Looking forward to any assistance.

There is someone in here who is doing escrow service, I also got referred to him in one of my very first posts here. Have to search for it (him).

Hello everybody. I am 'kinda' new here and looking for a way to purchase BTC on a decentralized way. I do NOT want to register on any known centralized exchange and process KYC procedure for the reasons mentioned on that link (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5221497). I was referred to this great piece of P2P software called Bisq unfortunately I still struggle at the first hurdle --> How do buy the suggested first 0.002 BTC (two millibitcoins) to start? The FAQ link (https://bisq.wiki/Getting_your_first_BTC) is not really a help for me. I live in Germany and there is no bitcoin/ATM nearby where I could purchase a small amount by cash without KYC. I already posted in the particular subforum marketplace where I am looking for someone to buy a small amount via Paypal Friends/Family (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5409084.msg60730914#msg60730914) but without luck yet. In case I get to my first 0.002 BTC I would really like to download, install and use Bisq. Looking forward to any assistance, please reply either via PM or on my marketplace forum post. Thanks!

Man, that really sucks! BTW: The reason I changed my email address here on forum was because initially I didn't know if this forum is good or bad and if I would stay here so I used a one-time disposal email address. After I registered and realized that this forum is very frequently visited with lot of content and good replies from many pros I changed it to my correct email address.

Hello people
this is w000000t from the Bisq support team, I was notified there was some trolling going on in this thread so I decided I finally needed to get an account on THE forum, and here I am. I reckon the trolling has been cleaned already, but I suppose, since I'm here... AMA if you want.
I know more than the average, being a support agent and all, but not everything. There is actually a lot to learn about Bisq, and I'm not done so myself.

Could you verify that it's you by e.g. sending a screenshot of your post from w000000t's profile in https://bisq.chat/ and writing that that's you? Maybe simply in Random/Off-Topic channel.

Just posted a link to this post in offtopic at bisq.chat

View Source
Room ID: !ceotTUcgziBHsLNmxR:matrix.org
Event ID: $3Kw3UV7adbxcqDY6rEJXlHqHNB-gTnphjbcTbTo9dVc
Original event source

Howdy LoyceV,  I'd like to vouch for a new member; the_real_w000000t (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3496863)

Honestly we haven't talked extensively about this, yet, still we feel the pressure, no doubt.
Brief references to the possibility of choosing an alternative to github have been made, and if you notice how, under DAO > Governance, all proposals links do not point straight to github, but rather to a translation url that redirects to the correct issues on github thereafter, this was a possibility that had been put in code since the start.

More extensive discussion was entertained regarding the specifics of the FinCEN legislation, where Bisq, as a platform which doesn't get involved in the trades directly, not like TornadoCash (I reckon), it cannot really be considered a middleman acting as financial entity. The security deposit, and the rest of the trade protocol, is only "led" by the application, yet all the funds move exclusively between the trading peers, no middle step involved where Bisq manages the funds in any way.

we all know how desperate those Government Motherf*ckers have become

Improvements
P2P network status indicator
Prevent UI trading actions when there are no P2P connections
Prepare Bisq for bitcoin-core v23 compatiblity
Possibility to copy addresses / transaction ids
Send funds - don't use all available funds by default
Show Peer Info window only when left-clicking on avatar
Allow mediated payout signature message to be re-sent
Clear sensitive data from trade ProcessModel
GetBlocksResponse lower chunk size (was 6000 now 4000)

For those of you who are using bisq, I'm sure you've already seen the update notice informing you of version 1.9.5 having been released about a week ago.  The new P2P connectivity GUI indicator is a pretty cool feature.  At least now when you're browsing through offers, and one times out you'll know if it's your connection or the other party.  I haven't had one time out since the new version, and since I have a couple of instances running from time to time, I've notice that if one instance is having connection issues, the offers from that instance will not be visible to others.  So, I figure the issue with timing out once taking an offer shouldn't be as big of an issue anymore.

Still no Taproot address compatibility, I guess it was wishful thinking to interpret "Prepare Bisq for bitcoin-core v23 compatibility" meant taproot implementation.

I guess bitcoinj has no compatibility with taproot (yet?), and since that's the library Bisq uses for all bitcoin functions, that's a limitation we need to cope with

Implement BIP350 – Bech32m format for v1+ witness addresses.
Implement Taproot BIP341 – send to P2TR addresses. Receiving to and spending from P2TR addresses and chains will be implemented in a future release.

However, it's still not possible to send to a taproot address from the Bisq wallet.  Here's what I get when I try:

https://i.postimg.cc/9fcKzSth/image.png

Being the aforementioned issue with taproot addresses and bitcoinj present in any version of bisq, updating to 1.9.5 still warrants new exciting features like the status light at bottom right!  8) ;D

Regarding sending to taproot addresses; if one is careful not to spend locked or reserved UTXOs

Locked utxos cannot be spent as they are in a multisig where the trade peers has the other key

Can someone help explain why there are such high premiums on Bisq for BTC vs USD?
Why aren't people taking advantage of the price differences?
Could it be that there's a problem with the payment methods (Pardon me please, I have never used Zwelle  ;))? Perhaps cashing out is hard?
https://i.imgur.com/x2bkru3.png

Can someone help explain why there are such high premiums on Bisq for BTC vs USD?
Why aren't people taking advantage of the price differences?

Could it be that there's a problem with the payment methods (Pardon me please, I have never used Zwelle  ;))? Perhaps cashing out is hard?

Can someone help explain why there are such high premiums on Bisq for BTC vs USD?
Why aren't people taking advantage of the price differences?
Could it be that there's a problem with the payment methods (Pardon me please, I have never used Zwelle  ;))? Perhaps cashing out is hard?

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I've heard that this functionality is in the works. It will be pretty awesome to have Bisq running on a home server with the ability to access all it's features from a mobile app or a webpage.

Really? Where did you hear that, if I may ask?

That would be awesome, indeed. I envision something like Ride-The-Lightning (https://github.com/Ride-The-Lightning/RTL), which is accessible from any of your devices that runs Tor Browser. A phone app could connect to it, too, similarly to how SPV wallets (desktop or mobile) can connect to your full node's Electrum Server (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5366854.msg58233714#msg58233714) through Tor.

If there is interest for such functionality, I'd look into suggesting it to the Bisq development team or do some work on it myself.

It's interesting idea, but I would rather like to see some light version of Bisq exchange that could run on mobile devices.
Maybe you won't be able to use all features from desktop version, but you could make trades and do basic functions.
I am waiting to see what is going to happen when Bisq 2.0 comes out, and I heard some rumors release is not far away, and this will be a major change.
I would wait for this new release to come out before making any new suggestions to Bisq devs.

It's interesting idea, but I would rather like to see some light version of Bisq exchange that could run on mobile devices.
Maybe you won't be able to use all features from desktop version, but you could make trades and do basic functions.

I am waiting to see what is going to happen when Bisq 2.0 comes out, and I heard some rumors release is not far away, and this will be a major change.
I would wait for this new release to come out before making any new suggestions to Bisq devs.

Hi guys,

I'm looking for a recommandation.

I'm ready to give up to use Bisq. Each time it's a nightmare and I'm lucky when I finish a TX.
However, I'm ready to give a last chance and to try to use it with a virtual server. What specs should I buy to be 'safe' (RAM and CPU).
It will be based on KVM, so the ressources will be 'dedicated'

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Same here, I didn't find anything relevent about the minimum system requirements, not even a discussion, so I concluded there is no difference in this matter.

And yeah, I'm the guy who has always a problem with Bisq lol. I have 4 gb ram but in reality I have 6 gb. I think there is 2 gb used as like a swap file for Linux.
Intel I5 5200U CPU@2.20 Ghz It should be enough as a system basically because Bisq is not a software doing millions of computations per second, or a super super heavy video game.

I know using a server for this purpose is not a good security practice and I have listed the risks. Considering that I don't store funds, unless a person in control of the server clicks to confirm a transaction, releases the collateral and transfers it to his wallet.

So I'm only risking the collateral. Knowing that I don't do big transactions... I try to weigh the pros and cons but I don't see something else 'dangerous'...

edit:

off-topic, but how that comes above CPU @ 2.20 is linking to mailto:CPU@2.20
 ???

Are you trying to run Bisq on a headless server? What for? Can you interact with it on the command-line? I was actually wondering about that the other day...

Bisq uses between 1.5 and 2GB of memory on my machine, so 4-6GB should suffice. Operating systems also have swap in case you fill your actual RAM completely. So that's not really a reason for software not to start at all, but heavy swap usage would be slower and degrade your SSD over time.

hi OP, what should I do because i can't update my Bisq app??

hi OP, what should I do because i can't update my Bisq app??

https://i.imgur.com/Y5iY1qO.png

I don't know what's the issue in your case, but you can try downloading Bisq directly from official website or github and install application manually.
OP is not active in forum since 2022, but you can contact Bisq support in other ways that can be found on their website:
https://bisq.wiki/User_support

Looks totally normal to me. Files were downloaded and verified. Just need to close the program, install the update (double-click Bisq-64bit-1.9.9.exe) and then delete those files (you don't need them anymore).

Since then, I tried it on another laptop and it's the same thing. But I'm not surprised since it has the same specs.
Bisq uses a little less than 2gb ram on my side, and Win 10 alone uses ~2gb ram

hi OP, what should I do because i can't update my Bisq app??

https://i.imgur.com/Y5iY1qO.png

The same problem happened to me a few days back, the file would download to around halfway and then all of a sudden fail. My network was not at its best, so it could have probably been the network, though some other apps could download and update without a single problem

I will try again and see if it can now update.

I was also having problems with the TOR network for a moment when I did a successful update, and I put a custom TOR network on according to the instructions from the app - I also restarted my PC and now everything is running smoothly.

So it's a new fresh day with my PC restarting a fresh, but I am still having the same problem, trying to download installer and Verify signature via the application.

Again it all seems like the download is almost successful, and then it pops up this error

https://i.imgur.com/4axoUHL.png
My internet speed is also now good

https://i.imgur.com/K544PdP.png

I guess I will just have to go the manual way.

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I happened to install Bisq once, but found it a bit complex and confusing to work with.

Overall, what do you guys think of Bisq?

I think it's a good solution to buy in P2P model without registrations and KYC?
In terms of privacy, how do you rate it?

What payment method do you usually use, to be as anonymous as possible?

I don't know why I have never think about this solution.

What a dumbass I can be  :D

The privacy features are second to none.  There's no KYC and they don't store any of your personal information on a server, not even the details of you payment accounts.  All that information stays on your local machine, and the only time any information is disclosed, it's only to your trade partner while the trade is open.  That means there are no servers to get hacked and no data breaches that can leak your info.

Once you set up an account on Bisq, the only identifier other peers will see is an onion address.  If you take or make a BTC to Fiat offer, the other peer will see your name and email address.  But again, the information is only visible to that peer during the time the trade is open.

Of course, there always has to be some sharing of information, but as you deal with other people directly, you are less exposed to information going to third parties.

I will install the application again and explore it further. And to realize in Europe how dynamic the platform is.

Payments with Amazon Gift Card, have you never used it or is it not common in your area? I remember seeing that option there, which I thought was interesting.

BISQ announced earlier today that they're soon going to implement the lightning network[1]. Maybe Bitcoin Ordinals is what we needed to push services to adopt LN.

[1] https://twitter.com/bisq_network/status/1654444075112865795

Improvements
Allow cloning offers (with different price, payment method, currency, and trigger price) while sharing its maker fees and security deposits
Don't process burningman accounting data by default
Speed up burningman and statistics view loads
Allow dispute agent to resend PeerOpenedDisputeMessage to non-resposive peer
Prefer Burningmen's custom receiver address
Burningman Accounting: Show total fees and total DPT
Remove Burningman activation code (1, 2)
Add gettransactions method to API
getoffers (API): Return all offers instead of the only ones with a matching accounts

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Improvements
Improve flow in create/take offer process
Add MercadoPago payment method
Add info popup about Argentinian Peso (blue) market prices
Update to latest Java 11 LTS runtime (1, 2, 3, 4)
Show Amazon gift card country in offer book
Randomly select dispute agent
Update mediators onion addresses
Add Bisq 2 bond roles names
Broadcast Arbitration DPT and dispute message in parallel
Allow arbitration tickets to be manually reopened

Bug fixes
Validate transactions after DAO state is ready
Fix: BTC maker/taker fee validation
Edit button/pen symbol stops working for altcoin offers
Fix cutoff UTXOs in Send Funds screen

Hello,
where can I find the 32bit version, the 64 bit doesnt run on my laptop?

multiple user profiles can be created in the same Bisq client with one Bisq node.

This is a huge upgrade, in my opinion.  Adding lightning functionality and submarine swaps will help maintain privacy also.  I plan to play around with it soon, learn the new features.  I'm looking forward to seeing it as the official release.