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The user mhanbostanci (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=434984) has left me the following rating:


I have tagged the user with the following before this has happened (therefore proving the above to be a retaliatory rating):

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My reference is the discovery from Timelord2067:


Please click on the post to read the remainder if you are interested. Claims about their alt connection go back to 2015 with this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1247502) in a trust rating on altcoin_trader (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=559459).

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I do not know how I missed that before. Not commenting on the linked thread from 2015, the wallet connection seems very solid. Opinions?

If the wallet doesn't belong to a shared service like an exchange (doesn't seem so) then the connection is solid. I haven't looked at the bounty abuse part of it.

Did mhanbostanci provide any excuse as to how "different people" used the same wallet?

There is signed message in that post, you know...I could probably check loyceV's trust viewer to see this user's trust inclusion and bpip.org for merit transactions:

https://i.imgur.com/mwsZXkr.png

Do I need to examine loycev's trust viewer?  :)

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Edit: I countered both feedback on timelord's and lauda's profile for now and left few -ve, I hope this will be resolved within DT1 system, @lauda, can you edit topic with "for DT1 members:....."?

Of course, I am expecting retaliatory "you are racist" -ve  :D

Edit2: as for counter on timelord's profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5239415.msg54442708#msg54442708

LOL indeed.

And looks like the alt farm was busted a long time ago here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1247502.0

Added that part too, an error on my side to snip out too much of the post.

Lauda, this crypto-era version of Vlad the Impaler, is now an official enemy of the baboons. If they will ever catch you they might impale you lol.

Being serious now, I see that things escalated a lot since wolwoo's revolutionary topic and I think we'll see more and more Turks involved in this war. Whatever their purpose is, I think none of them should have official positions on the forum anymore, no matter if we talk about being a mod on Turkish section, DT member or merit source.

Ironic how all the claims of abuse always end up showing the true motives behind the accusers. To be called an abuser of trust, and then to get tagged by the same people for "racism".  ::) Reminder: Turkey / Turkish people =/= race. The accounts mentioned in the OP mutually added themselves into DT2 via Vispilio and others.

Does mhanbostanci or the other accused came with explanation or anything, except this info they left in the negative feedback?
The signed message is pretty strong evidence, you can't go around.

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I got a PM from mhanbostanci, quoting below:


I don't see anything stopping mhanbostanci from posteing an answer here.
I request Lauda to not moderate posts from the accused ones that are not off topic.

I got another PM, I'm posting them here, because I want everything to be cristalclear.


Then mhanbostanci, please explain that link > https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/77c871196035420a/addresses
https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/77c871196035420a/addresses

In the Turkish thread from 2015 mhanbostanci claimed that one of those accounts belongs to a relative, they shared a computer, and accidentally posted from the relative's account. Unfortunately in some other thread mhanbostanci also pretended to not know the alleged relative and even attempted to do a lending deal with said relative. A classic busted sockpuppet story.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1247502

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1206095

I wonder which "different wallet" does this:

https://i.imgur.com/MfCZmXJ.png

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/cf3ea5bed78e14832d4e43665a607712c72e026edff0f256420e5e28c3c7defd

 :D

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What is mhanbostanci still doing in DT, user is merit/giveaway/trust/default trust abuser and he is trying to convince people that blockchain proof is not solid one, which is malicious claim itself.

edit

Oh, more retaliations via trust:

https://i.imgur.com/k9Vu02a.png

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edit 2 This address is snipped in quoted post, but timelord mentioned it:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2838618.msg29226783#msg29226783

The same address is here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=318348 , so eth and btc connection

The accused members are free to post fully and whenever they want to. Self-mod is not for me to take away the power of the accused to defend themselves, but to protect myself from the usual trolls.

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Reminder, all three accounts are apparently in DT2.

I would prefer to continue the conversation here instead of in PMs but... Let's try again to have a normal discussion.

Really, does he think he is the smart user around here and everyone else is stupid?

There is no doubt between: altcoin_trader (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=559459) & mhanbostanci (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=434984), they are one-person Alt accounts.
Transaction ever sent.

Archive: http://archive.is/wip/GbxHf
Archive: http://archive.is/wip/2n90a

https://zizihub.com/b774.jpg

TX; https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/c40a15b4226b52f48fe3233d95f5e489312f74f8fa35f1c31b65bf0fcd4970de

The address that both of them use.



Nothing is 'not' solid, they are very accurate Alt Accounts.

Dear forum members,

I do not deny anything. I write openly.
I know these account holders.
altcoin_trader was once my nephew's account.
Zz  is a student I teach Linux system administration.
Everybody knows this in Turkish forum.

altcoin_trader
was once my nephew's account.
when I realized that this account is my nephew,
I forbade him to use the forum. (He was 13 years old at the time.)
This is known in the Turkish forum and it is no secret. You can query this situation from Turkish users you know.
my nephew did not use the account again. (Maybe it sold, I don't know.)

In a nutshell,
These accounts belong to different people I know.
these accounts are not my sub-accounts.

lauda and her gang may think they want.

yours sincerely,

mhanbostanci

Did the nephew also use your Bitcoin wallet without your knowledge? And the Linux student too. Makes no sense.

You forbid your nephew to use this forum? Wait, you forbid your nephew to make monez online? GTFO LOL!

Please scroll up and elaborate connected addresses from different wallets, I am in a good mood today and I want to hear more "dog ate my homework" excuses  ;D

He has a point. I recently made the mistake of posting in a self moderated thread without knowing and It drove me nuts getting all my posts deleted.

I don't **usually** post in any self mod threads neither.

Tbh, theymos should remove that shit.

Valid point.

Another thing attracted my attention.

Some of these guys keep telling that everybody in the Global forum and participate in the chipmixer campaign are multi accounters. This statement has been being pushed several times and in several topics. They keep telling it again and again yet of course can't provide a single evidence.

Yet... timelord, lauda and others keep busting these morons' alt accounts day and night.

https://i.imgur.com/h0jHm52.jpg
Being half smart... Worse than being dumb.

This caught my attention:


To the contrary.  When properly applied, blockchain heuristics are frighteningly precise.  With the relatively simple-looking transactions shown in this thread, the only ways that the heuristics generally will give a false positive in connecting addresses are if evidence is misinterpreted as to an unusual exchange wallet (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5239178.msg54209445#msg54209445), or if people are taking sophisticated active measures to confuse the heuristics (something that I know because I am studying how best to do this).  Obviously, neither of those is the case here.

mhanbostanci admits that the accounts are somehow related to him.  In my technical opinion, the blockchain evidence is very strong—and the blockchain evidence contradicts mhanbostanci’s story.  When the evidence is considered in its totality, it clearly demonstrates that the accounts are (or at pertinent times, have been) controlled by the same individual.

But worst of all is mhanbostanci’s attempt to blow smoke with technical jargon, whereas he is not even sufficiently knowledgeable to make up convincing nonsense.  At the portion that I have highlighted, I almost suspect that mhanbostanci read and misinterpreted my recent post on this subject (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5238497.msg54329744#msg54329744).  Of course, two different addresses for the same script type cannot be produced from the same Bitcoin private key (!); and inverting SHA256 is irrelevant to inverting HMAC-SHA512 and somehow separating the tweak from the EC public key exposed on the blockchain (the latter part of which I did not mention in that other post, because it seemed irrelevant in the context).

When he gets to the point of claiming that blockchain evidence is unreliable because you can’t invert SHA256, mhanbostanci is clearly just making stuff up as he goes along.


Yes.  Case in point:  mhanbostanci.


Yes.  Case in point:  mhanbostanci.

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Re self-mod:  Nothing that I have ever seen from Lauda gives even the slightest hint that she would unfairly prevent an accused individual from speaking in his own defence in a thread against him.  Whereas if this thread were not self-moderated, I expect that it would be already on page 3 with mostly troll gibberish and garbage insults.

Despite my general reluctance to post in self-moderated threads where I do not know OP’s policy or whether my post may be unexpected deleted, the case for self-mod here should be quite clear to anybody who has followed all the time-wasting idiot-drama on other threads.

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The big problem here:

Weird how all of these endless accusations against anyone even mildly related to any Turkish members need to be self moderated all of a sudden. It is almost like the posters aren't at all willing to have an open discussion about it and instead prefer to erase anyone who disagrees with their opinions or makes any valid points in order to give the impression everyone is in agreement.

Let's try it - post some valid on topic points and we'll see what happens. You can always re-post it in a REEEEE thread if the evil cat deletes it.

Self-moderating has its issues. The major one being that then people can easily obfuscate and behave like they have been wronged which implies they were "righteous" in the first place and the "authorities" fear their truth, whatever it was.

Translation:

He is not the accused, and thus his stories are of no concern of me. If he can provide evidence for his claim, then he can post and it will remain where it is.

I wrote this (it was deleted by La):

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mhanbostanci:

I'm 41 years old (I'll not write which company that he works for).

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Zz:

We built a PC at February 2017 with school friends when the schools were on holiday.


The school hasn't started yet.


We discussed about Bitcoin with the math teacher at school yesterday.

It is known by the community that both users are different person.

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Nobody has to explain whether they really know someone in the forum or if they have a relative. You talk about the importance of staying anonymous but trying to reveal users's personal information by digging Bitcoin addresses (lmao). Bitcoin is an P2P Electronic Cash System, it's very funny to try to detect the connections between users' Bitcoin addresses. Satoshi would spit on your face if he saw that.

As a few clowns, you continue to make forum members laugh (there is not a race card, but is the CLOWN CAR.)

DT gangs are driving into the high-paid sig campaings.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0c/90/3c/0c903cff249eea971843e7a7ffecbf40.gif

It's pretty much the opposite. Bitcoin transactions are public but don't reveal personal information. All this "digging" shows is that multiple addresses are controlled by the same person but doesn't show anything specific about that person. Unless by "personal information" you mean sockpuppeting, which is what's going on here. Sockpuppeting, attempting to do a fake trade, getting busted, lying about it - such a trustworthy person you all decided to put into DT1.

There are plenty of other people here chiming in who are "not the accused" either, but they agree with you, so they count right?

Do you agree with blockchain connection https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5247998.msg54430075#msg54430075 ?

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Seems mhanbostanci can't decide which feedback to use:
https://i.imgur.com/3zxEi0I.png
https://i.imgur.com/QVSgPhs.png

I am still trying to figure out "slander" and "controversial data" parts.

I write on one of my accounts that I am Atatürk, and in other alt account I write that I am Nietzsche. They get connected to via wallet evidence using chain analysis tools. Will you say that this is definite proof that the other is not my alt account? You believe every word these two monkeys write and take it as evidence, while doing the opposite with people who you do not like (not even for valid reasons). Stupidity at its finest.

Skipping some possibilities is also stupid.

For example; as can be seen below, besides my own investments, I also manage the investments of my brother, mother, aunt and uncle.

26 May 2019 [IMG1] (https://i.imgur.com/dh8h8HX.jpg)
Blacknavy: Aunt X, if I sell them now it costs 5000 Euros. When the Stex exchange opened for testing, the price jumped up to $0.7 then the trade closed. Token will be on the new exchange soon. If it is $0.2, the market cap is only 13.5 million. Instead of selling, you should stake them.
Aunt: You know. The decision is yours.
Blacknavy: The price may increase when it listed a good exchange. If you want me to sell my uncle's share, I will sell it.

3 April 2019 [IMG2] (https://i.imgur.com/Oq2CtkF.jpg)
Blacknavy: I like Doge. It is raising now, aunt X, please send me a USDT address. Do you have an exchange account that you can buy Doge?
Aunt X: Kraken.
Blacknavy: I'll send you USDT to buy it.
Aunt X: I wrote the USDT address to your Telegram.

If there is a connection between my aunt's USDT address and my USDT address, does that mean that my aunt and I are the same person? It is known to everyone that Bitcoin has grown via word of mouth. Many relatives and friends became members of this forum and invested in Bitcoin as a result of my recommendations [IMG3] (https://i.imgur.com/GJTlpMy.jpg) [IMG4] (https://i.imgur.com/Ty0DTlr.jpg). So how right is it to find a connection between the Bitcoin addresses of users we dislike and forget about all their trustworthy backgrounds (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=434984) and fuck them? Who is making up these ridiculous fake-rules? Case1, Case2, Case-million because we created a trust list (as Theymos recommended) and applied for some high-paying signatures? If you have a right to do this, why don't we have a right? This hypocritical behavior was the biggest proof that most default trust members are actually untrustworthy. It is very easy to become a default trust member, only 10 users need to trust someone, and there is no need to do grouping to do this. You just don't want users who do not respect current authority to be default trust member. There is no racism directly against the Turks here, you all have various reasons to give distrust/red trust. Some of them are racist attacks (The behavior of many default trust members are embarrassing and humiliating themselves. I'm saying this as a national socialist.), and some users trying to save their fake-authority. We don't care whether you or anyone else loves the Turks, but we know that the deliberate defamations against us are also ignored by many default trust members because we created a trust list.

Here is the real problem: the dirty tactics the fake and corrupt DT cult employs to control who gets to make any money on this forum (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5247288.0).

I don't know if you're really that dumb or just being deliberately obtuse.

This topic is not merely about a "connection" between two addresses, e.g. funds sent between them like in your little story above. mhanbostanci's addresses are linked as inputs to the same transaction, meaning the same person has control of their private keys. There are some other highly unlikely possibilities but it's safe to ignore them seeing how the only counter-arguments (if you can call them that) so far are focused on the "friends and family" excuse and on dismissing blockchain evidence altogether.

There's someone stupid here, I think it's you who try to twist my messages. Many investments of my relatives are in my hardware wallet (one seed includes milllion addresses in the same wallet as you already know). Have you managed any funds in your life? Do you know what a fund pool means, what does it mean? Or are you only interested in signature campaigns?

If you use the same accounts on the same hardware wallets for many of your relatives then you deserve to be tagged for stupidity sake and to warn others that dealing with you is a risk. ::) The same hardware wallet, being used with multiple accounts (1 account 1 relative, as it was designed to be) and used by an 10 000 relatives would never create a transaction like the one that OP and his alt did.

Do you really think you understand wallets better than I do? Facepalm. Was this situation the reverse, and the thread was Lauda & some other account you would be fighting to the death, given the same evidence, to prove it was indeed an alt. Time to stop lying, and time to stop defending abusers.

If there are 2 UTXO in the same Bitcoin wallet, why not?

Welcome to a new concept for your very limited knowledge about Bitcoin: Accounts in HD wallets (No, not the old accounts system from Bitcoin Core). See: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BIP_0032 or https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0032.mediawiki#Specification_Wallet_structure.

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/bitcoin/bips/master/bip-0032/derivation.png

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Hardware wallets have accounts trivially built in. If you accept deposits in m/0 for relative 1, and you use m/1 for your own money, then you will not be able to create a TX linking UTXOs from both accounts (m/0 and m/1). Not that you should ever pool coins from anyone.

I'm not using different path with my relatives. Maybe was he using Electrum?


I know what is derivation path.

You should be tagged as somebody as a risk to deal with then. You should never ever use crypto in the way that you are.

No (https://github.com/spesmilo/electrum/blob/master/RELEASE-NOTES#L663).

Wrong. You think you know, but you actually have next to no idea which is a terrible character flaw.

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Stop going around in circles asking trivially deniable questions as the above. If the next post is another useless roundabout charade way of trying to defend the accused without any evidence, then it will be deleted.

And yet you find this as rock solid connection https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219960.msg53689508#msg53689508

ekhem...
We have here 2 signed messages from 2/4 addresses connected in one wallet while mhanbostanci claim it is not the same wallet and I have no reason to think that iasenko made this story.

Off-topic (lmao). Managing relative's investments isn't wrong. It is an investment pool.


I don't think so, I need to have technical English to be able to speak about such technical issues. I have insufficient English to express myself here, but I am aware of what it means.


There is not only address connection, but also personality similarity, spelling characteristics and registration dates are similar. In this case, there are 2 different characters. Also, off-topic.


Maybe he had to lie because he knew you wouldn't believe him? There is always a possibility here.

"So how right is it to find a connection between the Bitcoin addresses of users we dislike and forget about all their trustworthy backgrounds (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=434984)?"

Ok, so mhanbostanci sent PM and lied to iasenko because he knew I wouldn't believe him? And he has telepathic abilities and he knew iasenko would post it here and I will read it? Yeah, makes sense.

Excuse me, but what the hell are you talking about?

Interesting, not sure if we had this excuse before. So to cover up what is already an unbelievable story he made up an even less believable lie? Yeah that sounds exactly like the type of person we want in DT  ;D

Just to make it clear, are you claiming that mhanbostanci managed an "investment pool" for his niece and his student?

Stop posting useless posts Blacknavy.

I think we need to add this to alt account bingo.

Seems you don't, you have loycev's trust viewer so you can check inclusions from both accounts. Here you go:

For account mhanbostanci http://loyce.club/trust/2020-05-16_Sat_05.03h/434984.html and for account ZZ http://loyce.club/trust/2020-05-16_Sat_05.03h/318348.html



And as for exclusions:

I won't even talk about including trust manipulator (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5246137.msg54370098#msg54370098) to his trust network last week and some other accounts, but I am glad that you at least agree on this part:
Actually, it seems that you agree that accounts are alt accounts:
Now do the right thing and exclude this abuser and his alts.

There are several possibilities that more than one person can use the same wallet.
Investment fons, laziness/indolence, lack of knowledge etc.


I've never added Zz on my trust list, but I trust mhanbostanci. Therefore, he will continue to be on my trust list.
Since this message has been deleted by Lauda, I will not reply on this matter. Also, i'm busy atm. I'm out of this topic now.

And? What is the case here?

So you trust liar(your words) and abuser(my words)  8)
You replied to my post but you ignored important parts of it because Lauda removed your post ???

Ok, more lies and fantasies then. Let me know when you're ready to tell the truth and stand by it. This obfuscation shit is getting old.

https://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/img/editorial/2017/05/23/104487411-jack-nicholson-a-few-good-men.530x298.jpg

to be part of a forum where proven criminals are playing the role of prosecutor, is probably the zenith of dystopia and totalitarian regimes,

however, even criminals deserve mercy, so I'll help terrorist ~lauda and her complicit DT apologists broaden their extremely limited intellect and worldviews:


ACQUITTING MHANBOSTANCI:

A senior computer scientist and academic likes to employ his students and nephew every once in a while on some errands / coding jobs for pay.

However he doesn't want his nephew to have access to the funds because he is a minor and he doesn't want him cashing out, buying drugs etc,

THEREFORE he shares only a BTC address from his own wallet which his nephew can then use to receive payments on some of the jobs he is taking online.

Riddle solved, I guarantee you ladies and gentlemen some of these DT cultists wouldn't be even offered a position at the counter on your local Burger joint...

That is definitely new excuse card.

mhanbostanci wouldn't agree!

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Maybe he lied to DragonDance as well?

Right, and also posts from his nephew's account (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1247502) and pretends to have a deal with him (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1206095). Such a great uncle.


mhanbostanci probably lied because we can't handle the truth.

Given his frivolous and unethical behaviour, he seems to be a very dumb academic if he is one (see tag on JollyGood and the endless pool of alts). ::)

Can you try harder at making up stuff? Definitely worth a bingo update.

also you mr.bastard won't talk about this trust abuser https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5248906.0
for hide your fucking skin

Never had and i never will , if i would abuse it  your Account and all your other playing buddys are would be already tagged !
Looks like you dont understand .

And the only Trust abuser are you here , you tried it an year ago sneaky and you failed .
Few weeks ago you tried it again on the hard pushing way with some others and failed again.

First you distrust all and a few days you trust all and few days laters after you got catched you distrust all again !
Sry mate grow up .

Back on Ignore again

@Lauda

Sorry for the off topic

DT1 please consider excluding the users mentioned in the OP, and the users who are seeking to exact revenge via the creation and support of a frivolous flag.


I am sorry too, I will not let peloso post anymore.  :-\

Lafu is really cool, exposing malware and stuff...
Flag is opposed so no worries about it but members who supported such flag shouldn't be in system. I see that account muslol67 is not DT any more (he was DT earlier today or it has something to do with my trust settings  :-\), troll and Bump are not DT anyway so only mhanbostanci left.

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I will probably create another topic because of retaliatory negative I have received, I am breaking my head for few days and I have no idea what author of that feedback tried to say, I might ask in Bitcoin Technical Support (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=4.0) about this input thingy :P

You either didn't read the referenced thread and supported the flag just because you don't like Lauda, or you don't understand what "high risk of losing money" means, both of which are good reasons for you to not be in DT.

I guess we need to thank cryptohunter for creating a flytrap for you guys. Any other disgruntled DT wannabes looking to settle their personal grudges via the trust system? Lets see if TECSHARE, patron saint of DT1 shithead guild will join in or will chicken out as usual.

I know very well what it is to lose money.
Examine the flag.
Lauda and his gang can be as hostile to me as they want.
Unlike those in Lauda's gang, I am conscientious.
That's why, I can make a neutral decision on this flag.
The victimization of the users is obvious.

Cut the crap
you abused everything
what you could possible abuse
and then
you start sending those fake retaliation ratings
you supported fake flag
there is nothing neutral in that

calling other users a gang
but you
and your fwiends
act like a gang.

you left logic behind

Would that be the same community that respects wolwoo and praises Vispilio for diddling the trust system? I don't think this carries as much weight as you think it does. Respect inside the community won't mean much outside of it until the community starts solving its own problems.

You believed the lies very quickly.
This has nothing to do with wolwoo.
the gang tried to humiliate me with false claims about this.

The Turkish community does not consist of a few DT candidates.

All you care about is dominating the signature campaigns.
all of you were unaware of my existence.
until you apply for a Signature campaign One day.

The global forum community when time is come will exclude people like you.

We have been warning people about this since the DT system changed.

This is the wrong place to claim that the blockchain is lying.


And yet new users routinely get accepted into campaigns and some others get removed without resorting to conspiracy theories. Have you ever tried to think this through?


They can do it right now. I don't mind.

Are these accounts still in DT ???

No way, I checked this account's trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=434984):
https://i.imgur.com/CHKjIdx.png

...and it seems mhanbostanci trusts blockchain (even in case of few ethereum transactions (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.msg52591214#msg52591214)). Maybe he tagged someone's pet?

I am thinking of some scenario when more and more accounts like those from OP will become DT members, users will be scared to tag abusers here because of visible retaliations and what will be purpose of DT then, to tag newbie abusers only?

Yeah.

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Short update:

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/a2d709473f9e8ba98d61e76d15a451bb4ecd705951ed50bfe8ec2e0fa769c320 (http://archive.is/YrT8h)

https://i.imgur.com/mPhe3Dr.png

2/4 addresses belong to mhanbostanci while he claims that other two connected address's are friends and family  :D

I just need to provide more proofs of connection(@moderator please merge if necessary). June 07, 2016. mhanbostanci has tried to sell account (http://archive.is/RZzMr):


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1502215.msg15114155#msg15114155

I did some research about Hero member in Second trade's campaign and I have found not-his-alt account Zz (hero member, activity 714) posting few months earlier:

http://web.archive.org/web/20160420003345/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=907271.5140

https://i.imgur.com/RMmWq4q.png



~mhanbostanci
~Zz

thank you.

I'm sure Blacknavy will be stopping by with some story about how he manages investments for his brother, mother, and goat, and once sold his aunt and his niece. Totally normal.

I've also sold my goats for internet connection.

When I banned the forum to my niece, I confiscated all her digital values. it was a move to motivate my nephew.
Unfortunately, It did not show the success we expected at school.
That's why I liquidated them all.
If you read the subject, you will see that the account has not been sold. ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1502215.msg15278126#msg15278126 )
You continue to make false claims on issues you do not know.
There is no account trade. I don't even remember what the account is.
But I can say this: This has nothing to do with my student's account.
Believing their own lies is a psychological condition.
I will pray to God for your recovery.

So you had another Hero account in the same campaign that your mhanbostanci account was in? And you don't remember what it was?

Would this list help you refresh your memory:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GaJPH0hdO_-WotV5bAbdWjX7PiiaogKOT3lfjoOXebw

That sounds like a lot accounts.
Oh, so there is also a niece. Nephew, niece, student...

Last date in spreadsheet is 29.5. List of hero members:

Miiike https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=552299
kotofey https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=554840
Spacewalker https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=639327
daarul https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=672808
lenoli https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=447062
Za1n https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=529727
kvazimodo https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=505624
petahashminer https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=384041
KBH https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=505538
smigel https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=509253
tukinen https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=505236
Naoko https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=533874
daniahya https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=367891
rinhunter https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=475063
Pattart https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=132673
jetfox https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=158236
Begoods https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=452876
Blawpaw https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=146583
syndria https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=545104
7788bitcoin https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=395871

If I am looking at this correctly, petahashminer is only hero member posting in Turkish local. Activity was 476 in January 25. 2016 (http://web.archive.org/web/20160127014921/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=384041) so it is something around 588, correct? It's not really close to 770, while Zz was around 770 at that time, if not 770.


Your default trust accounts, mhanbostanci and Zz  :D

I have nothing to do with the new account you are trying to associate.
There are many members who trust me. is this a crime?
Zz is someone who does an in-depth analysis.
Usually, it examines the newly opened crypto money markets  in our country.
Therefore, many members rely on his analysises.
It is clear why you attack reputable members.
There's nothing you can't do for money.

Learn to read!
Your niece Zz is not able to talk or something? How...unusual. Why she doesn't want to talk here?

I,m repeating.
Believing their own lies is a psychological condition.
I will pray to God for your recovery.
my nephew is not in the forum. Zz is not my nephew.
I will no longer answer you.

Spend your energy to support your leader. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg54469714#msg54469714  ;D  :D

Oh, you are one of those people who see only when I agree with lauda and refuse to see when I disagree with him.

Probably because I agreed with him on your case, don't worry, I created my own topic about you and your alt account Zz, you are always welcome to discuss in my topic about this, but please use Zz account for discussion.

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This is my last post in this topic.

Help us out then. Which account were you trying to sell, or perhaps more importantly - was that account enrolled in the secondstrade campaign at the same time as your mhanbostanci account? That might be bounty cheating - you know, the crime that you and your Turkish colleagues are very concerned about.

Bump.

Accounts are excluded from DT but account miyav (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1687719) makes me wonder. In addition to this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5247998.msg54449122#msg54449122) (from last week):

Source: http://loyce.club/trust/2020-05-23_Sat_05.03h/1687719.html

New inclusions/exclusions (last change):

Source: http://loyce.club/trust/2020-05-30_Sat_12.05h/1687719.html

And, account mhanbostanci's distrusted users:

Source: http://loyce.club/trust/2020-05-30_Sat_12.05h/434984.html

According to https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=miyav, account is DT2. Another thing worth mentioning is that account has never sent any trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1687719):

https://i.imgur.com/L51fzJT.png

what problem if this user excluded lot of scammers and bad peoples?

Looks like Peloso was busy again today. What are you trying to achieve mate?  :D
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/07/19/n2ri1.png

Peloso appears 148 times in the DT1 Changes list  (https://bpip.org/r/dt1changes.aspx)since 22/Feb/2020  :o . Buddy, i think you should give it a break.
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/07/19/n2Lwm.png

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Fuck you, you are an asshole. I guess I wasn't such a "bad person" for removing my neg on after you begged me endlessly.  ::)

you can honestly fuck yourself I allow you)) you very bad person, you pet of lauda's gang and stupid idiot
so fuck yourself or go to fuck lauda

begged endlessly? you sick ?))

He's been gaming the dT for months - (it's been covered in other threads) and he's done another batch of DT manipulation again today.

when you post this shit please add "seems" or my IMO
or you have some proofs that  i GAMING ?

or distrusting you is gaming ?

[quote author=peloso link=topic=5247998.msg54559170#msg54559170 date=1591267081]
[quote author=Timelord2067 link=topic=5247998.msg54558847#msg54558847 date=1591262626]
[quote author=logfiles link=topic=5247998.msg54532314#msg54532314 date=1590880900]
Looks like Peloso was busy again today. What are you trying to achieve mate?  :D
[/quote]

He's been gaming the dT for months - (it's been covered in other threads) and he's done another batch of DT manipulation again today.
[/quote]

when you post this shit please add "seems" or my IMO
or you have some proofs that  i GAMING ?

or distrusting you is gaming ?
[/quote]

This is just in the last month since the last DT1 selection (May) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5117330.msg54362943#msg54362943):

https://bpip.org/r/dt1changes.aspx
(see below as well)

[img width=400]https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/17/blob9fd93d7a8ef9337d.jpeg[/img]
[img width=400]https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/17/blob632f6cab0dd8c35e.jpeg[/img]
[img width=400]https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/17/blob7485c29b601e8fac.jpeg[/img]

There are multiple-instances where you go from trusting someone to distrusting them without having gone to a neutral setting and within hours of someone distrusting you you then distrust that person in retaliation.

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20 hours after BPIP reported the monthly DT1 selection (June) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5117330.msg54550496#msg54550496) (probably when you next logged on) you have again gone on a GAMING THE SYSTEM spree:

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/17/blob048d93eb6dc1ddc7.jpeg

Even just in this handful of lines (ten in all) you have gone from distrusting one user to trusting them (asche), and gone from trusting another user to distrusting them (A-Bolt).

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Now compare it to my own DT trusts/distrusts in the last *two* months:

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/17/blob710719581f531823.jpeg

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So yes, you *are* gaming the system.

I don't think it is wrong to distrust those that distrust you if you know that you are trustworthy.
Clearly their judgement is impaired and they no longer are suitable for default trust.
You want those that demonstrate a good judge of character ?

I don't believe that this is gaming the system.

It is up to others to decide if a person is trustworthy.  @LoyceV would be the first to tell you there are far too many users using the trust feedback and default trust (and now Flags as well) for vendettas.


Agreed.  They should never have been on DT


Each person should make up their own mind, not go along with their gang members.


Your four sentences contradict each-other.

are you realy masturbating to this ?
where is game ?
i just add someone and remove someone
what s problem?
this is the crime ? where is game?

We call that the TECSHARE shuffle.  I feel like maybe he shouldn't get all the credit though.

Yeb he has and dont know if he doing it already again !

But i guess the last shown changes on Bpip was because he was added to DT1 List and got instant kicked out of the whole DT1 and DT2.
Because the most distrust him and i guess thats why there was the last changes seen on Bpip.
Dont know if that is right but i guess .
But its a waste of time to discuss that with him.

You retaliated with exclusions against two users (efialtis and A-Bolt) and they dropped out of DT1 as a result. Considering that you were including A-Bolt up to that point and switched that to an exclusion - doesn't seem like this was an actual "I trusted your judgement and now I suddenly don't" thing.

Then you included 4 users who have little support inside DT1 (2-3 inclusions). Again, one of them went from being excluded to being included by you, making it so much less likely that this is about your trust or distrust of their judgement and more likely that you're fishing for reciprocal inclusions.

A "crime"? No. A pattern of sleazy exploitation of your position in DT1. Gaming the DT1 voting system to benefit yourself.

you can  fuck off ) you trust abuser and i not want even to discuss with you


hey suchkamoon !
there is nothing some strange about efialtis and A-Bolt
i trusted them in the past and not trust now
what is problem?
why your ass so flaming for it i cant undestand

you and loycev ( and other morons of your gang ) colluding and manipulate trust system but you masturbate to my behavior

Seems to happen a lot. You're a bit... unstable.


I explained above what I think the problem is but I don't expect you to agree so carry on.

Weird how this kind of behavior is ok for you, but not for other people...


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5251037.0

False. It's not ok for anyone. If anyone thinks that I'm looking for reciprocal inclusions please exclude me instead.

Now that you here judging and all, what's your opinion on the sockpuppets busted in the OP? Still trust them? Weird that you include only one of them - what's wrong with the other one?

I'm only relying on google translate, but why is mhanbostanci discussing launching a DDoS attack in this post here (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=tr&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fbitcointalk.org%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D5140771.0)?

Archive [1a (https://archive.vn/TdPBa#selection-527.0-527.67)], [1b (https://web.archive.org/web/20200820094625/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5140771.0)]

Never rely on Google translate for Turkish translations.
You don't even know what we're discussing.
Registrar service of subject * .tr domains.
government employee IT specialists are not qualified.
Therefore, they are not able to quality way manage information systems.
It is a risk that such a critical service is managed by non-experts.
I wrote that we would be damaged in a possible attack.
You are as funny as you are ignorant.