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Just thought it might be fun to make a thread to create an organized list of all the blatant lies from BFL. I am talking about things that can be factually proven to be inaccurate/misleading/bullshit. I would like this to be a civilized discussion so please attempt to keep the trolling to a minimum.

Updated last: May 4 2014

http://www.butterflylabs.com/images/public/bfl/logo.png

List of Lies
1. (monarch) The fastest and most power-efficient Bitcoin miner yet
2. Butterfly Labs has shipped more ASIC products than all competitors combined
3. Our facility in Kansas has the largest production capacity of all Bitcoin hardware manufacturers.
4. The Competition at least $ 17.50 /GH
5. 65nm ASIC chip is now powering the majority of the bitcoin network
6. The bottom line is that BFL is the only 28nm chip manufacturer on its 2nd generation ASIC
7. All manufacturers in this space have experienced some degree of delay with their first generation ASIC
8. 28nm products won't begin shipping til year end
9. (monarch) plan to begin shipments in February, 2014
10. Orders are shipped in order date priority so any order placed now should be expected to be delivered in March.
11. We are pioneers of the industry - having manufactured the first commercial Bitcoin mining hardware.
12. November / December    Initial Shipping
13. still on track for December/January
14. As we enter the 28nm era, we're the only competitor with a proven ASIC design in the field.
15. Tape out August 2013
16. Gen1 65nm asics will be around 1w/gh
17. BTC mining, being a zero sum activity, makes it viable and profitable to get as many people to cancel their orders as possible, so your position improves
18. We are so confident in our power consumption that we are offering up 1000 BTC to charity if we miss our power consumption targets by more than 10%
19. Everyone should be aware of the fact that you are allowed to upgrade 1, 2, 3 or 4 Jalepeno's to 1 Single and keep your place in line
20. Individual orders that are less than 6 months old and that paid for the reduced price 600GH or 300GH Monarch will likely not be delayed past the expected delivery date
21. We have developed the most technologically advanced, most power efficient mining chip on the planet by a factor of two.
22. KnC's new 20nm chip isn't even close to our 28nm chip in terms of performance.
23. I have spoken with Theymos, the operator of Bitcointalk, about this and I have his full knowledge and permission to perform this experiment
24. plan to begin shipments in March 2014
25. However, this is our second generation, so we have much greater clarity on the process
26. meaning the deployment of the Monarch will be delayed about 5 weeks from now
27. it is possible we will begin shipping limited quantities by the end of the week of the 21st(april), it's more likely we will begin shipping the following week, assuming no blocking issues arise.
28. our mining chip is more than 2x efficient than any other chip out
29. The Monarch product line is essentially 3x - 5x more efficient at any comparable hashrate than the competition
 
Forecast:
- (monarch 600GH) 350w (0.6w/GH conservative estimate)
- Orders are shipped in order date priority so any order placed now should be expected to be delivered in June.
- Refunds will be issued in 30 to 45 days from the date of request of refund. Refunds will be in USD.
- We plan to begin shipping within the next 10 - 12 days, but that timeline is still in flux as we adjust the board components to best utilize the chips.

Bonus:
- Josh/Inaba of BFL has now resorted to paying shills to boost his own trust rating and defaming critics by leave false negative trust.
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=549403.msg5979745#msg5979745



Sources:
1. See KNC, Avalon, Bitfury, Bitmain, Bitmine, Cointerra, Hashlast, Spondoolies, Dragon/lightning
2. Obviously not talking about hashrate because that would be absurd. I assume # of products which is still untrue considering the amount of asicminer/bitfury usb miners sold.
3. If largest production capacity means shipping out hardware in a timely manner, I would say they fall in dead last. (maybe hashfast is slower in shipping products)
4. Competition is actually as low as $3/GH. See bitmain
5. Obvious lie. Unless less than 5% of the network is now considered a majority.
6. See KNC.
7. See asicminer/bitmain
8. Already 3 months past years end and this statement is still not removed. *unless they mean this years end which would probably be accurate
9. Misleading. They have planned to ship every month since October of 2013.
10. Devices confirmed to not be shipping march.
11. See asicminer
12. Still have yet to ship anything.
13. See 12.
14. Was said literally months after KNC gave us a proven 28nm design.
15. Tape out September 2013
16. Actually around 3.5w/gh
17. Absolutely ridiculous to believe anyone would think this.
18. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=197050.0
19. Jalapenos intentionally sent out first.
20. March was expected delivery date for all orders before march.
21. Bfl 28nm chip is estimated to be 0.45 w/gh. Knc is estimated around 0.35 w/gh.
22. See 21
23. "He asked me whether he could demonstrate that the Trust system is broken. I said that he could, though I didn't know exactly what he was planning, and I don't like what he's doing" - theymos
24. March has officially passed. No products shipped.
25. Delays from gen1 were 8 months. Delays from gen2 are currently 6 months.
26. past 5 weeks since announcement.
27. past 2 weeks since announcement.
28. 2x better than bitfury would be below 0.2w/gh
29. see 28.

Pretty much sums it up!!!

So....how you makin out there Ole Joshman ??? Any news on the awesome power specs...& delivery dates ???

Didn't think so  ::)  :D

C'mon guys, nearly three years later and everyone's still bitching about BFL?

What happen to your beef with Zhou? Pirate? Shtylman?

Add the middle vowel, and we'll be able to spell ZIPS.  ;D

I swear that list is longer.

Where should I start and stop the list?
11. The only functioning 28nm implementation.

There's one major thing missing from this list... a timeline as to when each comment was written.  The OP seriously seems to think that these are current claims, when several of them were made months ago.  Call it was it really is, a lack of updating the website with current information.

I challenge the OP with this:  Show me an ASIC company that has not told ANY lies.  Let's not focus on one, let's put them all on the table.  Otherwise, this is simply another hate thread intended to incite riot because the OP is just another troll.

There is ample current and past evidence posted right here in this forum for BFL their shills and spokesmen lying. This is not the only thread for that. The news would be where they have told the truth. There seems to be a real disconnect here if anyone is denying that BFL has lied, continues to lie and will lie in the future.

https://www.scu.edu/ethics/publications/iie/v6n1/lying.html

"List of Lies"
(so the grammar of the title of that page was fine :D)
Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #OolBzHSs2U6hoq0D

A timeline is irrelevant because most of these statements were made after KNC shipped and began working on their next gen chip.

Please don't pretend the lack of updating the site with accurate information is anything but deceit. They seem to have no problem updating other parts of the site and are incredibly active on these forums and their own.


Challenge accepted and completed: Bitmain.

We don't need to put them all on the table because this is a thread to focus on BFL. I am not going to argue that every asic manufacturer is perfect in fact most are the complete opposite.

I think just about everyone would agree BFL is competing for worst asic manufacturer. (tied with hashfast currently)

I challenge you to argue that any specific point I made was inaccurate. Otherwise it is you who is the troll.

Source? Don't see that on their site.

Check the quotes... surely you can find MORE "inconsistencies".

http://www.coindesk.com/butterfly-labs-coo-responds-to-detractors-amid-company-struggles/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLsT2jFxSsc  Josh Zerlan Interview... PLENTY of Points to PONDER here.

More stuff for you to reference.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1kkffk/bfl_announces_new_28nm_pci_mining_blade_600ghs/

Here you go:

It all depends on how you interpret the quoted statement, but in either interpretation, it is still false.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1kkffk/bfl_announces_new_28nm_pci_mining_blade_600ghs/

Here is a highlighted sample of various lies [in red], half-truths, debatable white lies, or just misinformation [in yellow] (on just one page):

http://s21.postimg.org/83p3so9jb/A_troubled_series_of_half_lies.png (http://postimg.org/image/yns9edfol/)

Posted with the intentions of facilitating discussions and under FAIR USE.

Please click the thumbnail above to see the full image.

What about the 1000BTC bet about power efficiency that was supposed to go to charity that Josh conveniently forgot about after the BTC value spiked last year.

They didn't forgot about it, they created an ad-hoc charity for the goal of receiving the donation.
Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #fJtMAvQG9VRqL7gJ

So, you're saying KnC shipped in mid-August?  Damn, I must have missed that in all the Avalon whining in the KnC thread.

Deceit is intentional, meaning it was originally posted with the intent to deceive.  Procrastination/laziness is a more accurate description and is hardly deceit.  It is a bad business model, but you and so many others seem to think everything needs to be perfect.

Yes, I can see it's 'purpose' is to focus on BFL, couldn't use one of the 50+ threads already out there, had to create another to add to the mess.

As to the trolling part, #1 This one is a tough call, as your examples didn't have existing product (except for Avalon) when it was made, but the problem comes about with companies underpowering chips to reach those power specs.  Until there is a fully working Monarch in hand running at the stated 600GH to see actualy power specs, you technically cannot claim this a lie.  They were shooting for .7W/GH at the time of conception and now it looks like they will beat that, but you nitpick other statements to call it a lie.

#2, I can technically give this to you as ASICMiner had thousands of those little USB stick toys they sold.  Considering they were pfft for hashing power and vastly overpriced (2BTC back in May and would have earned less than .7BTC as of today.)  Discounting AM though, the statement was true when made.

#3, On one of my visits to KC, I noticed their board noting a record 1 day shipping of over 1000 units and the weekly record was over 4000.  At that point in time, there was NO other ASIC manufacturer that had that much production capability, and unless you again count the little USB sticks, which wouldn't be put together in a workplace like BFL has but in a much bigger/vastly automated place, it's doubtful any of the current companies could match this output.

#4.  Your failing to account for time means that you think this is still accurate to this day, but Bitmain was not around posting about a $3/GH claim back in August.  What was true in August is no longer true today, if the statement had read: "The Competition at least $ 17.50 /GH, AND WILL NEVER GET LOWER", then you could indeed say it was a lie.

#5, back in August, 65nm technology WAS powering the majority of the bitcoin network.

#6, So, back in August KnC had a working 1st gen ASIC was was developing a 2nd Gen?

#7, AM, really?!?  Wow.  You love to throw Bitmain out there, but you can only point to Nov when they started posting on the forums.  Considering they were 'founded in 1Q 2013' and nothing was heard until November, you cannot in truth say they had no delay, you can only state that they worked out their delays BEFORE announcing anything.

#8, Technically a lie because they were overly optimistic about their foundry/testing timeline.

#9, You missed the word plan.  True, they suck at timelines, but that isn't lying.

#10, Until you have a fully working 600GH monarch in hand, you cannot call this a lie.  While you pulled the .6 number from their product page, their forum posting says:
.45 at chip level = 270 watts which leaves 80 watts available to reach their 350W listing on the product page.  So much for your 'chips alone are .6w' statement.

I think Avalon wins as worst myself, but that's a judgement call due to the 800k chip fiasco.  

 
Challenge accepted and completed.

In addition, if you want to be technical (and I know you guys love being technical), Bitmain initially promised 0.68 J/GH on chip, which is meaningless.  Joules is an energy measurement and is usually referenced over time, and there's no time measuement included.  ANY manufacturer out there could make the same claim and it would not be a lie.  While it might take 1 manufacturer .5 sec to reach .68J/GH, it might take another manufacturer 3 seconds.  But that's only misleading, so you'd probably discount it being an untruth.

KNC prototype working at the time of statement. And since they were comparing preorders you need to include hashfast/cointerra.



It is clearly intentional when the monarch page is updated multiple times yet they intentionally chose not to update the things that would make them look bad (being realistic).


Asicminer also sold something like 75,000 8GH blades along with those little overpriced usbs.


Correct.


Do you understand false advertising? That is like saying the ford model T is the fastest car in the world because at one point it may have been. You cannot use the argument "they never touched it since announcement" because they clearly edited the price of their monarch but forgot to update the price of the competition literally pixels apart.


You are right that I cannot guarantee it is a lie but I would be willing to bet on it. There is a 1% chance in my mind they meet 350W @ 600GH. I will add it to a separate section.


Fun fact: Avalon gave full btc refunds for a 2? month delay. BFL refused all refunds for an 8+ month delay along with failure to meet advertised specs.

That is simply not how it works.

1 Joule = 1 Watt/second

Don't feed the troll... They must be working in 24h shifts.
Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #oyjKTFht0rlEe1sx

You should keep facts away from bcp19. The two tend to react violently when mixed together.   ;D

Oct: "November / December    Initial Shipping"

Dec: "With that in mind, our current schedule is on track for shippments to begin towards end of year."

Jan: "However, this is our second generation, so we have much greater clarity on the process and plan to begin shipments in January 2014."

Feb: "However, this is our second generation, so we have much greater clarity on the process and plan to begin shipments in February, 2014."

These aren't just some quotes printed in some obscure website they have no control over. This is straight from their product page which is used to sell their products. They regularly update the webpage, yet they chose to not update some issues which no longer are true. That places them firmly in "lie" territory.

Let us not forget that "he who shall not be named" has the unmitigated gall to publicly call those of us that have been historically critical of their poor business practices, and bringing them to light as "liars" despite the facts presented here. Remember that 10 BTC bribe to silence a certain forums luminary ?

Thank God for Bitmain is all I have to say, and it's so incredibly sad that every OEM Bitcoin ASIC venture that has tried to launch off US soil has been fraught with problems, delays, and questionable business practices while Europe and China flood the market with attractive and timely options.

OMG the moron is still pushing the lie wagon around for BFL

BCP you are complicit in fraud ....

I have no energy for con men and their lackys anymore ..as it is plain to see what is  .... look in the mirror as you think its all fun and games ...these are peoples & families lifes you are messing with

May you rot in hell for the crimes you are committing against families and children as they prey on easy targets.... Is this your life BCP to help conmen by running diversionary/intaferance tactics so they can ripp innocent people off

Go play golf you retard ...you as a human disgust me... GET HELP :(

KnC shipped first week of September if i recall correctly so it's not such a big deceit. It's surely not as big as BFL's and retard Inaba aka Josh Zerlan who is a tard because he likes tards and he lives likes tards :) Inaba=tard

bcp19=shill for tards

How sad, you still don't understand how it works, it's WATTS * TIME = JOULES.  Joules as a reference in itself is meaningless without the time factor.

50 watts for .25 seconds = 12.5 joules

50 watts for 2 seconds = 100 joules

How am I complicit in fraud?  Can you point to a single instance where I advised people to buy from them?  I can point to several where I told people NOT to buy due to the money spent never making a positive ROI.  You and the other fail-trolls fail at understanding just exactly WHAT it is I am saying (Bickski, this means you above all others).

You guys basically spend your time and energy going after "Number one on the ten most hated list" while ignoring numbers 2-10.  Every ASIC manufacturer has presented themselves in the best possible light, yet they aren't No. 1, so it's ok for them to get away with it.

Maybe you are the one who needs to play golf, actually, on second thought don't... you sure get bent over minor stuff on these forums, I hate to see you get bent over hitting a golf ball into the woods, you'd paint the whole community in a bad light.

You make correcting you so much fun, I just can't resist. The "fime factor" is missing because it cancels itself out. The two terms use miners love to reference are "watts" and "gigahashes per second". Look what happens when you combine them.

.68 W / (GH/s)

multiple both numerator and denominator by s

.68 Ws / (GHs/s)

simplify (Ws) and (s/s)

.68 J / GH

Tada!

But Inaba NEVER lies...  :o ::)  :-\

BURNAGE AGAIN!

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7749853696/hAD01B201/

Maybe you need some bandages...


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sup cocksucker.

your lips' not on josh's dick?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         

KnCminer and ASICMiner had hidden the truth, but so far I am aware they never produced blatant deceptions like BFL to sell products.

Your "everyone lie so it is fine to lie" argument is pretty much pathetic.

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h148/Bigblock462/Boldlygo.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/user/Bigblock462/media/Boldlygo.jpg.html)

BFL told me straight up that upgrading from Jala to Single would not delay my order. Then, people with Jala orders 8 months after mine got their devices before I did. Needless to say, I didn't ROI.

Once I meet some BFL guys in a convention.

I would like to hit one of them, seriously.

They were pre-selling the Monarchs.

Such liers.

I saw Zerlan at the conference in Austin. I wanted to heckle him, but it would have reflected badly on my organization. I was amazed he had the balls to show his face there, though. They had a table with some half-fabbed circuitboards, I didn't see anyone show interest.

Well I have an email from BFL that I WILL get a refund for my april 2013 orders (ie 65mm bricks would have arrived thanksgiving nov 25th or so ) that due to no refunds i forced upgraded....thought until this email that was without a doubt the dumbest thing I ever did had to give them 2K to pull that off..anyway out to BFL more or less 8k if they give me back 5k for this 1st batch monarch and/or i get the 2nd 300gh unit and sell it asap on ebay...I may only be in the hole for 2k more or less (most of that was the 10% bullsh*t on upgrading fees of various notes on the products as they strung me along..

yeah i got took i admit it (i was  a noob thou my only defense)

So anyway here is the email i got below

Hello,
We're sorry you do not wish to remain in the Monarch order queue. Due to our recent delays you qualify for a refund. ​​This refund process will take from 30-45 days since we are offering your position in the queue to potential buyers. ​We appreciate your understanding for ​the extra time​ this takes. If we are unable to sell your order we will, nevertheless, refund your money.  Thank you for sending us your repayment information.

Dennis
The BF Labs Customer Service Team​​

Why do when I read that get the impression if EVERYONE asks for a refund and they don't sell my order (or others) as stated above....I"m gonna get screwed...

but this is the LEAST wishy washy email I've ever gotten from them if that means anything.

knock wood

anyway for you alls info FYI

Searing

Congrats, you did pick up on what I missed.  Unlike the trolls on here, I am man enough to admit when I made a mistake.

BFL :)
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bfl

Typical BFL shill, calls us trolls for being able to do basic physics. Straight out of the Zerlan playbook.

Typical troll, calling anyone with intelligence who makes a mistake a shill ::).  Straight out of the troll handbook.

Research and development using your own (or VC) money is not a delay.  A delay is when you take money from a customer and don't deliver the product on time.  Bitmain ships their product within 2 days of receiving the customers money, and you get your miner within a week.  That is an in-stock business model, and practically speaking Bitmain has no delay.

As anyone checked bfp19's log in times and compared them to josh's? Bet there never on at the same time!

I meet josh in Jan 2012 in London at the conference and that's when I realised I made the mistake. Obviously he was suffering from the crack sweats and just rambled about stuff that didn't actually mean anything useful or informative. That's when I realised my July 2011 order was not going be with me for a long time. True that, it came august 2012, 13 months after ordering and 11 months over due!

 I warned people on bfls forums including xian01 and many others and got ridiculed and banned. I told people on here about them and found very little support and eventually thermoflask locked my old account which was useful for many people as I helped back in the day with oc'ing and general help with x y and z because...... Because bfl was paying a lot of money to advertise here and thermoflask is just a big a con man as josh and bfl. Thermoflask ran glbse and closed it and ran with everyones investment! Thermo flask runs this site btw!

You see, when you realise a few control everything that happens (worldwide) they have scummy cronnies like josh, thermo flask and the other convicted criminal at bfl who know how to play the system and stay safe because they know its all a mirage and play the game. They use your money to research and produce the item then sell a few so it looks (kinda) legit and then put all the hardware in a pool (eclipse mining) and get people to pay again for hardware thats already been paid for (and mined with it themselves).

Back in the day they sent mini rigs to a few people that found some info on them and blackmailed them so they would get a load of gh earlier than anyone else. These people did well out of that as i have spoke to one (who i will never name) so you can bet  million dollars bfl have done REALLY well out of this scam which is still been dragged a long. It must still be making them $$$$!

I cant believe that this con is still persisting and that people like bcp19 even have the balls to stick up for josh the cockroach and co

JOSH, YOUR A MOTHER FUCKING DIRTY FILTHY COCKROACH!

My condolences to people that have been/are been con'd  by these people but I erdge you to drop your loses, realise NOTHING will happen to these people through court,FCC or any other bullshit institute because there just designed to LOOK like they meant to do something! Its all smoke and mirrors. Monsanto own the FDA, what more do I need to say!

These are professional con men, not stupid! YOU CAN NOT WIN LEGALLY AGINST THESE PEOPLE! Just like the banksters and governments around the world!

I'm sick of telling/warning people who have devised these little boxes that they keep themselves in because they don't like reality they see and there 'comfy' box is all they want! Well, to make one of my favourite quotes....

Those who seek security over freedom deserve neither!

BTW, bcp19 only posts in bfl specific threads and as provided what i see as no helpful advice to the community in any shape or form. His account shows he is paid by bfl or a bfl employee. Id go with employee or josh himself tbh. Pro con men are good at fud! You need to start asking yourselves what are the motives behind some people and there house of cards come tumbling down! That's true in every aspect of your lives!

GTFO of here you scummy bastard bcp19 and advice to people here, ignore the filthy whore, nothing annoys them more than ignoring them. It really makes them mad so that's my advice to you all. Just realise this dudes a tool and forget about him

it looks you are right they are mining with our stuff since their pool speed went from 280th to 570 in no time just now. BFL will keep our miners as long as possible.

I've been right on everything for a long time now but I been questioning things since the 90's and knew the score a long time ago. Its not hard to see through the misinformation and disinformation if you put your own emotional and so called 'normal' way of thinking to one side and look at things for what they are!

I've tried tell people the truth but people don't want to hear it. The fact is I can't teach anyone no more than anyone else can because the only person that can teach you is yourself, and pro con men know this and play on peoples misguidance which this world is in a epidemic with controlled Mass media, monetary system, controlled governments, controlled food regulation, controlled medical institutes etc etc. Its all centralized/privatised so a few can control everything. Its one big giant ponzi scheme and as been for over 2 centuries! That's the big joke!

The only reason people selling spades and shovels to gold miners back in the day was because 1 person brought all the spades and shovels so he had a monopoly on them! Don't you see how they twist things so you sympathise with there agendas? you know the founding fathers were pro slave and black/asian people should be classed as 3rd world (a term coined by a level 33 mason) which actually means sub-human/animals! Your borders are 'farms' and you are the animals in that farm. There are more than 1 owner of these farms (illuminatti the most well known) and they collude with each other to keep us dumbed down and not question the important things and keep us dosile! Not many Jews were actually killed in world war 2 infact and most of it is pure fabrication. Jews always want to be placed as the victim but just look who owns everything from the banks to big supermarkets, its all the same! Now I'm not saying all Jews are bad, that's you jumping the gun and putting people into them boxes you make for yourselves. I call these 'Jews' Zionists just to not label Jews with the crimes of a few. Israel is the chosen land by the Rothschild's if you didn't know!

And that's how they work, devide and conquer. If your not informed its easy for them as it as been.

Thing is, the sleeping giant is awakening and bitcoin and decentralised systems are providing a backbone for people to start tofight back against generations of oppression. The truth is people have never had a free market EVER and all this is new and sScarry for most people!

Well I say stand up and take your place in history for now, 2014, we have a big chance to change things forever or end up losing humanity to freak shows like Google and there transuminist future with bill gates the eugenist! The man who gave all his money to his wife's charity and in a few years become the worlds richest man (again)! See the joke? The joke is the Rothschild's (goldsmith is another sirname they use) own 95% of everything. They back both sides in wars and the same in everything they do. A small fact people don't know, Kate Middleton's grandmother was a goldsmith (I.e Rothschild) who married to a Middleton. Kate then went on to marry the informous winsor royal family in the UK creating a blood line between the two families. That baby IS the Antichrist! Or will be made into it! Whichever way you think!

Not exactly the rags to riches the msm like to spread around the world is it!

And listening to people get mad over josh and his cronies is a joke when you see the bigger picture, as I'm sure josh and his cronies do. He's not stupid that boy, just a professional con man and all around cockroach!

See? When someone corrects you, you reach for the "troll" label.
You have consistently supported BFL in the face of massive evidence to the contrary.
You make statements that defy belief in your many attempts on these forums to legitimize BFL.
You were part of the junket trip to BFL where bitcoin and devices were handed out in return for unnamed services rendered.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill
A shill, also called a plant or a stooge, is a person who publicly helps a person or organization without disclosing that they have a close relationship with the person or organization.

You fit the bill for a shill.

Ha ha ha ha, bcp19 was involved in that little group that blackmailed them! Then it all begins to make sense to who bcp19 is. So he must know the person that told me the truth about what happened in that incident. That's really funny. Least the person I know about took it and ran instead of the continuous fud that bcp19 keeps shitting out of his mouth. josh's dick stuck up his arse or something.

What a shill! I'd just ignore this fruity cake from now on, busted and still spits out the shit, that's a class A cockroach right there!

I was part of a blackmail? Cool, where's my cut?

You seem to be the one who's hung up on male genitalia with as much as you spout it... are you a closet homo?.  Your inference that I am Josh has been tossed out there and disproved already, I am not Josh, but telling you means nothing as you are too full of yourself to believe the truth.

You must really not read much of what I have written, or you'd not be spouting lies about my trying to help people on here.  As I have said before, I have never told anyone to buy from BFL, have never recommended them to anyone, have even gone so far as to tell people that the purchase they were considering from BFL wasn't worth it in cost vs return.  If that is being a shill, then 90% of the people on this subforum are also BFL shills, including k9, Xian, you, PL, Bickerooski... the list goes on and on.

@k9, as with PG, there were NO conditions placed on the miner I was given during the tour he and I did of their facilities.  It was a gesture of goodwill, similar to the spoondoilies rig that was sent to dogie and all the other free miners given to Sr members of this forum, however, unlike the people on here who receive a free unit, I was not asked to post anything about it.  I've been running that 24gh miner for 6 months now on the 'dangerous' power supply that came with it and it's still chugging along.  My Jalapeno has been runing for almost 4 months now, again on a 'dangerous' power supply that came with it.  I must have someone up there looking out for me considering how much Bickski claims they are death traps waiting to explode.

Oh, also, I only threw out the troll bit cause you were so quick to throw out the shill bit...  Basically that was troll-bait and you ate it up, hook, line and sinker.  Thanks for Playing!!!

Did someone hear something? I thought I heard a load of bullshit been dropped off!

Except you are actually a shill, according to the definition supplied. I am sure all the gifts BFL has given you are just like donations given to Congresscritters. No official quid pro quo, but BFL sure would appreciate it if you could white knight them on the forums. I am sure the PR department at BFL was very kind to you and you are just returning that kindness by tirelessly championing them on these forums. After all, if you had gotten an early release Monarch, that would be a very lucrative "gift" and would make all this effort on your part pay off.

The only evidence you have presented for me being a troll is that I bring up facts that are inconvenient to your task of BFL white knight.

As for the power supply, just because BFL gave you one that works does not mean they gave everyone a power supply that works. Apply Occam's razor:
a) Your BFL power supply does not contain the manufacturing flaw that others of it's type do.
b) BFL gave you a high quality power supply, but some others received lower quality power supplies.
c) Bicknellski has organized a group of people from around the world to falsely represent their experience with BFL on various internet forums.

I love how I have "THE MORON" on ignore ..as i just get to read a proper and balanced conversation

You keep using this white knight thing, but it still falls flat.  Show me one instance of me telling people that BFL is great, show me one instance of me telling someone to buy from them, show me one instance of my saying they are better than all the rest.  Sadly, you can't, because I have done none of these.  In your definition of a shill, I fail miserably.

@BFLrCONmen: m3sSh3aD, you are the one who has the multiples accounts and the load of BS you smell came from your own mouth.  Kind of like the following:
Always nice to claim to know about illegal activities and then use this as an excuse:
So... why are you "grassing" now?  You *now* claim *I* am one of these people who blackmailed BFL, yet you're earlier comment says you *don't* grass.  Since you are lying about my involvement in this, as I didn't know about it until you brought it up before, you're just as likely lying about the fact that it happened.  Since you have to hide behind the fact that you *cannot* provide proof in order to protect the guilty, I'd say that means you have no proof to bring.

Bcp19 do you admit that butterflylabs is either the worst, or competing for the title of worst bitcoin company in existence at this time?

I will admit they are far from the best, but I don't classify them as the worst.  While they need help in the calculation of time it takes to complete things, they have delivered or will deliver what they set out to do, which is more than a lot of companies/people have done.  While I do have an order with them (Hey, Bickski, how's that FRC treating ya?  I see it's plummeted a bit further and is now at $.019 each!  Hope you bailed on it to preserve some of that great profit you bragged about), I did not order until Black Friday so I'm still unclear as to how I fall into the scheme of things.  The email about the power specs and what they are giving to whom was a bit confusing to me, so I'll have to wait and see what I get.  They are kind of like the little engine that could, they seem to have to try and try and try, but in the end they've gotten there.

In overall terms, I'd give them a C-/D+. 

Yup, they banned that account because joshy boy didn't like been called a cockroach. How much are they paying you do this job on here? Any advertisement is good advertisement rigbt! Is that what you do on here? Look around to get attention? I pop back have a giggle at it all so keep going for all I care. Throw whatever accusations you want about me but people see the truth. I don't need prove nothing unlike you seem to have some want for attention.

I suggest you get out more and maybe talk to a female. I know, it must be hard for an ugly shill like yourself but if you don't try to be happy you never will. Thats probably to deep for sociopath like yourself. I bid you farewell child as the best thing EVERYONE can do is ignore you!

Truth hurts I know

Tar tar

Actually, what hurts is trying to understand your incoherent ramblings, I have yet to see truth come out of your statements.  You make false accusations and then hide behind some sick immoral code to explain why you can't prove them.  Good thing you're leaving, otherwise you'd get yourself banned again.  Course you'd just blame it on Josh again, as you fail to take responsibility for your own actions.

Man, can anyone smell that bullshit around here! Its like a bad smell that won't go away!

Although you might be DEAD ON about Josh and the management at BFL or the shills like BCP19 and BFL,BFLrCONmen your tinfoil hat racist conspiracy theories right out of RIGHT field don't give much credence  to what your saying you really need to focus on the facts about BFL. In fact now I have you on ignore as well as pretty much every remaining BFL shill and Josh. Welcome to my ignore club you racist ahole.

http://zcomm.org/zmagazine/debunking-conspiracy-theories-by-david-barsamian/

Here is a nice primer on why you are so brainwashed to think the Illuminati is a real thing. Educate yourself I know you can unlike BCP19 you could see the light, there might be redemption for you given you get how BFL operates.

Raciest! You know where the term 'racism' comes from and why its coined out like water these days! Obviously not someone who is English, married to an Indian and as friends in Japan, brother in USA and 'aquentancies' in many places from Italy to Australia. But I'm on your ignore now for whatever YOU found 'raciest'.

Get a clue! Just like the term 3rd world means inferior/animals that was coined by a level 33 mason and is dirogitive to anyone you call that! Try calling them developing countries. Raciest ha ha, your funny

As for 'illuminati' they are not around no! There are many 'groups' around the world that collude together like a band of criminals. There out for themselves and care little of anyone else. You can call them what you want but there just people taking the piss out of all of you sheeple! And that's there term for you, sheeple! Boarders are your 'farm'. You like been called that! Suppose its nice for you being in that 1 billion with access to whatever you like and doing what you want without thinking of the consequences! The rest of the world isn't so lucky!

As for conspiracy theorist, call me what you want but its all coming true isnt it or are you a pro NSA/GCHQ fan! I knew about that in the 90's when it was a 'conspiracy theory' but call it what you want, its all true! And worse than you even know! There is no hope for humanity, its truely been dumbed down to the point of being sacks of flesh and blood full of shit!

You keep those rose tinted specticles on son, keep walking right into it! The on my high horse holier than Christ got a dick stuck up his ass assumptinistic 'hero member'! Mother of all fuck ups that assumption you know!

Bfl are no different and run on the same principles and none of you see it. There's so many giggles to be found from these bfl threads. Its pure lolz

Just because I'm in your face and speak the truth and your head can't handle it doesn't make it any less true! 9/11 instilled so much fear (fictional events actually realised, I.e, NOT REAL) that people have handed over the last bit of freedom for security. I care not, what will be will be and will play my part. I do not fear death, I embrace it! You are all lost spirits!

I'd be interested to know who you classify as the worst.

I feel the worst are the ones who promise much and deliver nothing.  bASIC and Yifu fall into that category.  Hashfast made a foolish guarantee of BTC refunds which every greedy sod out there tried to cash in on when the price spiked so high which puts them into the running.  Speaking of greed, there's a couple who will remain nameless due to the mindless people who think they are so great, but fleeced people far worse than the ones the majority think are the worst.

So according to you, avalon with a few month delay on a single product and full btc refunds makes it less reputable bfl with an 8+ month delay on every generation product and no refunds?

You do understand why we all call you a shill correct?

It involves using incredibly flimsy arguments to support a company which has failed to deliver on every product it has offered.

Threads not about the worst... or faux race baiting theories of world domination. It is about how BFL mislead and lies to the community.

BCP is obviously part of the fabric of those lies as he continues to push company disinformation particularly how others are WORSE than BFL and he has attacked the person in failed attempts to discredit people in order cover BFL's failures as stated here by many who have felt those ad hominem attacks. Neither BFL nor HashFast and dare I say it Avalon really deserves our business given the propensity to lie to their customers.

Let us discuss the merits of purchasing a product that has not been designed and fully tested to people in general. BFL has yet to produce a product that functions to design or redesign specifications before asking for the money they are doing this purposefully. Given that they continually push out designs of unfinished or untested products that speaks volumes for their lack of credibility and a business model that is direct violation of a number of FTC regulations and given their use of false ads mail fraud.

If you want to talk about how to do things in a reasonably fair and consumer orientated way then check out

Bitmain (Ships out soon after you pay. The best right now and the EXACT antithesis of BFL)
Spondoolies (Pending but build chips without community funds)
Ben Turas One String (100% truthful 100% responsive to customers)
Marto74's offerings (Yes I know he is a bit shady)

...and a number of others have produced units and sold them in real time not on pre-order.

If you want to look at a list of reliability check out Dogie's imperfect and constantly revised post here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=456691.0

Clearly he gets it BFL is the BOTTOM of the barrel in his estimation and that is supported by a large number of the community given past polls on the subject.

Failed to deliver on every product?  So you're telling me there were no BFL FPGAs delivered and used?  No BFL ASICs delivered and used?  Who's throwing out the misinformation now?

Probably the only reason Yifu was able to give full BTC refunds is because he used the mining equipment to mine before finally shipping to customers.

Sadly while Bickski has it partially right, he forgot to include the rest of the ASIC manufacturers... none of them are really worthwhile in the long run, people keep throwing more and more moey into the wind and the manufacturers are the only ones getting rich.

Again you are completely wrong. There are viable options shipping now and returning positive ROI (see bitmain).

And to clarify I mean they failed to deliver the product they advertised within even 8 months of ordering and refusing refunds for this unacceptable delay.

And avalon has learned from their lesson and is only selling in stock hardware.

The only reason BFL is taking preorders and not selling in hand hardware is because they had no confidence in their ability to ship on time and realized it is much more profit to bullshit your customers.

Let's quit pretending BFL is even near comparable to companies like knc/bitmain/asicminer/bitfury

Any attempt to rehab BFL's rep at this point is only going to happen if:

1.  BFL sells all it's products off the shelf and not via pre-order.
2.  They have a 100% refund guarantee before they ship anything as per FTC rules.
3.  They remove all their false ads and adhere to some basic ethical standards of practice for a business.
4.  Respond to complaints and queries across the board in a professional manner.

There is no way that any of these things are going to change and that is why BFL needs to be called out on its lies and why everyone and their mother needs to spread the word that BFL is a toxic investment for anyone at anytime.

You are so full of shit.
The only positive thing of reading your posts is thinking at what a bad job yours must be.
Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #BuVrK2EbVnf6856D

Between your lack of understanding what is written in front of you and the trolls who insist on reading nothing and just lobbing shit from the cheap seats (yes, bick, I mean you), this has just turned into yet another bash thread.  It's the same now as it was nearly a year ago, people have their blinders on or insist on seeing the world through rose-colored glasses.  While Bitmain is currently selling reasonably priced items, the positive ROI is not a given until you can look at it in hindsight.  You don't know what the future holds, so every purchase is a gamble.  I will agree some are much better risks than others, but unless you are offering a guarantee, don't tell me it's a given.

Both me and you know its your job to do that! Its not even cognitive disadence with you because you know what you are doing and why you are doing it! To me that makes you on par, if not worse than bfl/josh and co because you have next to nothing to gain from it (in comparison to them) and you still do it! You just do it to scratch your ego because your lonely fat arse only knows how to troll the net. You have probably done this line of work for most of your life! As I say, I come here for shits and giggles, it never dissapoints! Haha

You might actually be the most disconnected sociopathic troll I've everncome across so why would I miss out on your ramblingsto watch them go down in flames. its just so entertaining joules lol

In the end the jokes on you all, the monetary value does not matter at all and the bitcoin protocol as the POTENTIAL to make a cashless society with smart contracts, smart assets and a load of yet unrealised possibilities. You see, the protocol and block chain are good for a monetary system, but its not necciserilly the best implementation of it! I'd guess this is too over your head but hey, I might get a few people waking up to what possibilities are actually on the table here!

Bitcoin is no currency, and hopefully it will bring us away from such a stupid idea for society in the first place!

Why don't we accentuate the positive for a change?

Why doesn't BFL do business like Bitmain or say Ben Turas? Why do they insist on using flawed logic and basically come to market, so late that is it obviously intentional, every time they offer a product? Why don't they do it the right way? Say like Spondoolies self-fund it and then ship it? Hmm... maybe because they don't want to ship on time right? Doesn't baffle you that they have yet again messed up the chips on the latest offering? Somehow they are just not ready for market yet again?

Christsakes they put out a refund notice with a hook that someone else has to BUY your order... how do we verify that? Nothing in their order system is transparent and the FTC rules clearly state if you ask for a refund you have to give the refund before it is shipped no matter the terms BFL wants to illegally set. Ok so what is it? Failure or fraud? It is a pattern that is plain to see and we all know it as fraud. Don't buy from BFL they are scammers and remember to warn off as many people as you can we might be able to put these people out of business simply by letting the community know.

I thought bick ignored all bfl trolls/josh etc but he keeps replying! Just pointing out that small fact but he's ignored me for being 'racist' in HIS eyes showing a lack of understanding of where the term was coined and why its all apart of the divide and conquer just like religion and all the other bullshit man made crap! His assumption blinds him and he can't see it, probably because no one as ever questioned him, why would he think he's wrong if no one ever said, were all human, and falable!

Shame because I like the way he tackles things, especially his last post. But what he doesn't see is that bcp19's is searching for such retaliations just so he can continue his fud spreading. Bcp had a small payoff by butterfly labs which should say all you need about him. I myself own a 60gh unit (11 months late) and only posted on bfl threads with this account because I wanted to put MY opinions and try help people realise what's going on. Truth is though only YOU can teach yourself, no one else so stop making boxes for yourself and restricting yourself from what you can be. Once you see things in there true light you can see the truth! And its ugly!

Old account m3sSh3aD got banned due to thermosflask and josh not being able handle the truth. You see, Hess people attack when under threat! Its all they know and its a challenge on there cognitive disadence. Its not as complicated as people thing, its that they don't want to face it! I helped a lot of people back in the day on here and also love a good flame war but that's one of my evil things that I have a dark sense of humour with! I'm only human ;-) In the right circumstances even bcp19 may not be a lost spirit!

I don't actually believe humanity as gone completely but we are at a tipping point and people need to realise this!

Peace

You guys need one of those WWE cage matches to settle all this stuff out.

Don't be so barbaric.... ;-)

Did someone clarified what is "lifetime warranty" in terms of BFL? I am suspecting it is not the same as we used to mean in UK, 6 years at least of replacement parts on-stock.

Straight from their FAQ page:

I have seen that. Not the best place to put warranty terms IMHO. I even have the doc signed by BFL staff stating following:
In terms of BFL "lifetime warranty" does mean lifetime as they not customer wish to keep things running. So customers will get a little single coffins in hands very soon with no RMA as BFL does not produce them anymore.

Newest bullshit from BFL:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=549403.msg5979745#msg5979745

Unbelievable.

The fact Inaba has slandered me and others in the trust ratings and in the forums here before is going eventually land him in court. What needs to happen now is a perfectly timed court decision that freezes his BTC wallets ala the HF accounts. The idea he thinks he can play his psyops games without any consequences to him or BFL is just the level of hubris that will eventually bring this to a resolution against him in court. Lies and slander and now attempting to game the trust system overtly. Ethically challenged definitely the forum needs to protect itself from the likes of BFL and Inaba and I am very surprised they have not blocked or banned his account yet.

This is something that is NOT being reported on enough in some of online bitcoin news providers. http://www.coindesk.com/ really needs to pick up the ball and do a more in depth look at how BFL systematically lies and slanders bitcoin community members. They continually skirt the issue as much as bitcointalk.org has. We need to get the word out through the media on how Inaba and BFL are attempting to trash people's reputation and how their ads are deceptive to new buyers as well as a focus on the damage they have wrought by being late time and time again. Millions have been lost by members of the community due to BFL why is this not being reported openly beyond the threads here and in reddit?

Kinda amazing how you never commented when someone did something similar against Inaba... There's a word for that... HYPOCRIT.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=477645.msg5267956#msg5267956

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=280630.msg4354137#msg4354137

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136392.msg4351291#msg4351291

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=285659.msg4351144#msg4351144

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=281846.msg4351127#msg4351127

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=277901.msg4351030#msg4351030

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=372316.msg4351004#msg4351004

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=323857.msg4350972#msg4350972

That's incredibly childish behavior and stupidly reckless. He is really opening his company up to unnecessary legal action when he should just focus on delivering product to customers. They've just proven themselves to no longer be relevant if that is what they focus their energies on these days.

Sad day in Bitcointalk world... but do you expect anything less from a company and an employee without a moral compass? He has been doing this for over a year now it is just the first time he and his company have openly admitted it.

You have to understand them; HF is mining their leadership.
Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #k3iCYyhmfjOIU3IF

Coindesk is paid off and only cares about $$$ and getting traffic to there site! Ain't that the truth! Mr Jon law the dirt bag over there! And you ask why they don't report about cockroaches? Because they are!

People need to realise the amount of scum out there, its the 90% that are scum! Wake up sheep!

As for bcp19, whybdont you jump off a cliff and do everyone a favour, at least what I say is to help people! Explain your motives you dirty cockroach cock sucker!

Fuck your worse than them! Get a life you fat lonely fuck!

My dealings with an honest manufacturer BitMain has washed out all the negativity and resentment I have had for BFL and Josh the Incubus. My single and couple of Jalas are still mining since last autumn so no complaints there for robustness.  I was extremely lucky that the fiat value of BTC broke $1000 last year. It was sheer luck that I broke even and made some small profits with my 8 month late BFL orders.

Unfortunately all current BFL Monarch pre-orders are fucked each time BTC dives closer to $200 and further away from $500 keeping in mind the astronomical wall of hurt all the new hashing hardware will bring soon from the competition to the network.

rest in peace

I'm waiting for you to jump first!  I have to see if it's going to work or not before I commit myself.

Same here, I think my 60gh as paid back around 5-8 btc which I paid.... 74btc for so yes, the delays cost everyone who brought with btc expecting them when they said (11 months late!). Fiat customers are fine. Lessons learnt and I come here for the shits and giggles, this lol train is never going to stop is it haha.

Since then knc and cointerra have delivered flawlessly and there customer service as been fantastic. I don't own any bitmain but I would order from them from what I have seen. Bitcoin mining as left the home use though as the THash units are huge and hot and suck electric like there's no tomorrow. Not practical at all for the command Joe and knc have done it to scypt now with a 250mh unit! I got a load of gridseeds going and have a order with alpha and knc. Knc don't fuck about but with alpha I'm supporting a UK company so I made a punt at them (as I did with bfl back in June 2012) but used fiat to pay, as I said! Lessons learnt.

Cannsomeone smell cockroaches around here again? They fucking stink!

Now that it's April, I guess it's time to update the list:

Oct: "November / December    Initial Shipping"
Nov: "November / December    Initial Shipping"
Dec: "With that in mind, our current schedule is on track for shippments to begin towards end of year."
Jan: "However, this is our second generation, so we have much greater clarity on the process and plan to begin shipments in January 2014."
Feb: "However, this is our second generation, so we have much greater clarity on the process and plan to begin shipments in February, 2014."
Mar: "However, this is our second generation, so we have much greater clarity on the process and plan to begin shipments in February, 2014."
Apr:  "However, this is our second generation, so we have much greater clarity on the process and plan to begin shipments in February, 2014."

I'm not going to include all of those because it is more like the same lie repeated.

If I did that then they would have 100+ lies on the list by now.

Well...  just stop buying shit from them. The only killing bullet for a business is 'no customers'

well I have an email from BFL for what it is worth stating I will get a refund as I reguested from them stating if longer then 6 months they will refund...for my early order pre-order monarch (actually forced upgrade for non-show april equip) in 45 days..that was probably 10days ago? (ok ...I'll wait till everyone resumes normal behavior yeah I know its a big hoot what they said this with a straight face......cut down the catcalls pick up your chair so I can continue)

anyway with the IRS ruling and BFL having to pay for GH mining in the states for "gross income" we will see about the above email...likely i will find a monarch brick in the mail..

but hey was stated as 45 days not even the 45-60 days i heard about before the email...put a real name down and everyting.....(start horror music before the killer strikes)

( I have to step away now ...a unicorn herd is thundering past me as the flying pigs sky dive them.......and the blinding rainbow of impossibility is obviously blinding me to the truth to even mention this)

Searing

Latest LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shipping Schedule
This is a Pre-Order product which is not yet shipping.  If you're uncomfortable waiting until the development is complete and the product is shipped, do NOT pre-order this product. Perhaps undesirable, but this is a pre-order market.  Customers flatly demand to get in line for the new technology before it's finished development.  This has created a lot of drama for the manufacturers but it's something we simply have to deal with.  All manufacturers in this space have experienced some degree of delay with their first generation ASIC.  Every last one of them, so we're reluctant to give a specific delivery date.  However, this is our second generation, so we have much greater clarity  on the process and plan to begin shipments in March 2014.  Orders are shipped in order date priority so any order placed now should be expected to be delivered in June.

WOW talk about Lying to your FACE, NO Shame!

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTO8HHYpeZX12KkY1MIunkKEznLd2B7AF8HvGQzm31fAlb-P12k

https://products.butterflylabs.com/homepage-new-products/1-th-bitcoin-miner.html

heh almost the same wording for stuff i ordered april 2013 that they said i would get by MAY (yep got the email yet) and of course it was thanksgiving ..so i punted the bricks of them arriving then to the brick of monarchs this year..and they SAY i should be getting a refund for my orig early order monarch in 45 days or so ..that email was like 10 days ago..we will see..but i after the IRS stuff in USA these last 2 weeks and china ban and bitcoin tanking i fully expect them to NOT give me my refund with regrets....as they would say on the dodge thread " we sad we scam you...but we rich....you not!"

Searing

http://www.woodlaw.com/cases/butterfly-labs-and-bf-labs-inc-bitcoin-miners <--- Might want to add all your complaints here if you were a customer and jimmothy you can cross reference againt the claim here for your OP ---> http://www.woodlaw.com/sites/default/files/casedocs/2014-04-04%20Complaint.pdf

Time for our monthly update on Monarch ship dates:

Oct: "November / December    Initial Shipping"
Nov: "November / December    Initial Shipping"
Dec: "With that in mind, our current schedule is on track for shippments to begin towards end of year."
Jan: "However, this is our second generation, so we have much greater clarity on the process and plan to begin shipments in January 2014."
Feb: "However, this is our second generation, so we have much greater clarity on the process and plan to begin shipments in February, 2014."
Mar: "However, this is our second generation, so we have much greater clarity on the process and plan to begin shipments in February, 2014."
Apr:  "However, this is our second generation, so we have much greater clarity on the process and plan to begin shipments in February, 2014."
May: "However, this is our second generation, so we have much greater clarity on the process and plan to begin shipments in May, 2014."
Jun: "However, this is our second generation, so we have much greater clarity on the process and plan to begin shipments in May, 2014."

Now that we're in June, the expected ship date is last month.

They just updated it:

However, this is our second generation, so we have much greater clarity on the process and plan to begin shipments in June 2014.  Orders are shipped in order date priority so any order placed now should be expected to be delivered in July.

Look again:

http://www.butterflylabs.com/monarch/

"plan to begin shipments in May, 2014."

For reference;

https://i.imgur.com/dihGtGG.png

https://i.imgur.com/XWiO20Y.png

Ok true, but here it says different:
https://products.butterflylabs.com/homepage-new-products/600-gh-bitcoin-mining-card.html

900 Amps? lol wtf

Render,

https://products.butterflylabs.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/b/u/butterflylabs-monarch.jpg

vs. reality

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee106/PFC4L1FE/Untitled_zps976cd675.png


vs. something that works, air cooled and ships out today 1.4Th/s for under 2$ a gh/s.


http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/spondoolies1.jpg

Just for BFL right now: http://www.sadtrombone.com

Any new additions to the list?

Must be a few now with the latest BS from BFL on the Monarch delays.

This just in:

http://www.woodlaw.com/cases/butterfly-labs-and-bf-labs-inc-bitcoin-miners

http://www.woodlaw.com/sites/default/files/casedocs/2014-04-04%20Complaint.pdf




vs. SLok


http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee106/PFC4L1FE/Untitled_zps4a08d457.png


Someone doesn't want Sonny to go back to the big house not the one he bought with pre-order money the one where the Judge will send him for breaking his probation.

Time for our monthly update on Monarch ship dates:

http://www.butterflylabs.com/monarch/

I want BFL's time machine.  Shipping things last month is just awesome service  :D :D

Don't forget the April Fools (2013) Luke Unit shipped before the deadline, whereupon Luke uploaded pics provided by Josh of the rig still at BFL's facility as proof of delivery.

The BFL "charity" page at BidtoinDF.org shows:

571 coins donated
 408 coin remaining, and no outgoing donations listed since August 2013.

Blockchain shows the address as having received a total of 1503 coins, with a final balance of 408 coins.
Initial funding of the donation address shows 3 lots of about 500 coins each going in in June 2013, and one lot of about 500 coins going out to an address that hasn't been touched since. Probably a BFL account.

BFL started this with the 1000 coins they promised to charity (*1) because the 65nm products didn't meet original power expectations.

(*1) At the time, most people assumed they meant a real charity, BFL set up their own non-profit entity purely for the sake of receiving this 1000 coins.

One of the latest donations (December 31, was that a tax avoidance move?) is 25 coins to the lifeboat foundation, which basically plans to HODL coins for future value, and their grand plan of surviving the computer singularity.    List of board members includes Josh Zerlan, no surprise there.

Stinky stinky pseudo charity.

You give BFL entirely too much credit. Bitcoindf.org has absolutely no charity/non-profit status whatsoever. It is owned and operated by BFL.

Sonny taught Josh well,didn't he ???   :D

My little collection of meme's I made way back when  :D

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h148/Bigblock462/Yodaconsume.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/user/Bigblock462/media/Yodaconsume.jpg.html)

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h148/Bigblock462/Refundisstrong_zpsf8294bd8.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/user/Bigblock462/media/Refundisstrong_zpsf8294bd8.jpg.html)

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h148/Bigblock462/Notthecutomers_zps81f5e96e.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/user/Bigblock462/media/Notthecutomers_zps81f5e96e.jpg.html)

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h148/Bigblock462/NOASIC.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/user/Bigblock462/media/NOASIC.jpg.html)

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h148/Bigblock462/BFLrobbedme.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/user/Bigblock462/media/BFLrobbedme.jpg.html)

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h148/Bigblock462/GingerASICs.jpg (http://s63.photobucket.com/user/Bigblock462/media/GingerASICs.jpg.html)

haha, look at that picture.  if these suckers are on water cooling right now you would need a bathtub and a jacuzzi pump to flush the 2.4KW of heat away - damn, I just gave BFL a new product.  BaFLuzzi - Bitcoin miner and jacuzzi in one.

Not to mention you wouldnt be able to fit 4 in that case with all the water cooling blocks etc and where would you put the radiators.

These are not going to be of any use in a rack.....

FTFY

FTFY2

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Hans Krebs: The enemy made a breakthrough.

They took Zossen and are advancing towards Stahnsdorf.

They're at the northern city border, between Frohnau and Pankow.

In the east, they reached Lichtenberg, Mahlsdorf and Karlshorst.

Adolf Hitler: If Steiner attacks, everything will be alright.

Hans Krebs: Mein Führer...

Steiner...

Alfred Jodl: Steiner didn't have enough men.

The attack didn't take place.

[Hitler pauses to take off his glasses]

Adolf Hitler: The following stay here: Keitel, Jodl, Krebs and Burgdorf.

(The four named generals, along with Goebbels and Bormann, remain in the room as the others leave. The door closes behind them)

That was an order!

Steiner's attack was an order!

How dare you ignore my orders?!

(Hitler's ranting is clearly audible outside the room)

Is this what it came to?

The military, everybody lied to me.

Even the SS!

The generals are no more than a bunch of disloyal cowards!

Burgdorf: Mein Führer, I can't permit you to insult the German soldiers-

Adolf Hitler: They are all cowards, traitors and failures!

Burgdorf: Mein Führer, This is outrageous!

Adolf Hitler: The generals are the scum of the German people!

(flings a pencil onto the table)

NO SENSE OF HONOUR!

You call yourself general because you spent years at the academy

where you only learned how to use a knife and fork!

For years, the military obstructed me.

All you ever did is thwart me.

What I should have done,

is had all the high officers executed, like Stalin did!

(pauses)

I never went to the academy.

But I conquered all of Europe on my own. (pounds chest; holds up fists like a gorilla)

Traitors!

I've been betrayed and deceived from the start.

Such enormous betrayal

of the German people. But all these traitors will pay.

They will pay with their own blood!

They will drown in their blood!

Traudl Junge: (To Gerda, outside the room) Gerda, please calm yourself.

Adolf Hitler: All my orders have been ignored.

How can I be a leader under these circumstances?

It's over.

The war is lost. (reaches for collar)

But if you think this means I'll leave Berlin...

you're wrong. I'd rather shoot a bullet through my head.

[sighs]

Do whatever you want.

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Asshole strikes again...
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/the-monarch-discussion/8688-july-20th-engineering-refund-update-2.html

Comedy Gold !

https://i.imgur.com/8ge48g0.png

http://www.woodlaw.com/cases/butterfly-labs-and-bf-labs-inc-bitcoin-miners

/me looks at his pile of A1 28nm, Bitmain 28nm, Bitmain 55nm, and BitFury 55nm gear

That's what MtGox used to say. How'd that turn out?

Since this is the lie thread, here's another. http://www.butterflylabs.com/monarch/


Outright lie. Bitmain and Spondoolies are also on their 2nd gen 28nm ASICs. Bitmain has even shipped, and Spondoolies is due to ship in days.

I recommend to follow that thread for a while, asshole is really on fire...

I wonder is he so insane that he believes the stuff he says?