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Here is what happened with LEDU.

They hired me to run their signature ad campaign.

Paid me for first month. No issues

They (Ledu team) Agreed to pay for the 2nd month & asked me to start asap.

I started the campaign & sent the payment address for 2nd month.

they sent the tokens for participants, when i asked about my payment. they stared giving excuse (Checking with team etc)

The CEO SAID they don't give a shit on Bitcointalk flags or Bitcointalk.

I paid the participants the tokens for 2nd month as they send the payment for participants & didn't get the my payment for 2nd month. which is 1k USD. The CEO sent some threating PM a few months ago & i blocked him. Now I really don't give a fuck about the payment now & the flag will stay after all of this.

But will Murat send tokens to participants before August 12, meaning the participants will be paid in full until now?

LEDU TEAM IS STRAIGHT UP SCAM, DID NOT PAID US FOR BOUNTY MANAGEMENT. We have the token for bounty participants & We will send the tokens soon Before AUGUST 12. Please REMOVE YOUR SIGNATURE ASAP

Why is the LEDU team doing this when this was a legitimate project when the bounty was launched and now they are breaking or leaving SCAM.

Maybe they weren't satisfied with the results, maybe they planned that from the beginning. Who knows...

What surprises me though is that such an experienced bounty manager accepted campaign without getting money up front, or at least escrowed it.

Curious also that his payment werent paid, but the team only give the payment for participants. Whats that? A test if he pass management, now people know how they deal with negotiation.

For 2nd month they sent only bounty pariticipants payment. when i asked about my payment they keep giving different excuses & they are not willing to pay me.
Pariticipant will be paid in full (Gas price from my own pocket).

What happened is they paid me full for First month.

For 2nd month they sent only bounty pariticipants payment. when i asked about my payment they keep giving different excuses & they are not willing to pay me. So I  closed the campaign (Not really interested to give them free Managment).

Pariticipant will be paid in full (Gas price from my own pocket).

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What surprises me though is that such an experienced bounty manager accepted campaign without getting money up front, or at least escrowed it.

damn, that was unexpected, seeing that they paid you for the first month. I wonder why they suddenly decided to get cheap and stop paying you that could badly affect their "project"

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Thats awful dude. Sorry for your loss. If its okay can you share here some evidence or any form of conversation that they really refusing to pay you for the works you did. This will be a strong cause for everyone to tag the project even more and warn that the team dont pay such due.

Also can I quote this message of you and add on the OP? for additional details on this case against Ledu.

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^{Supporting the flag}

I agree to provide evidence of some of their conversations or

Title should be changed to scam instead of possible scam because he scam manager Murat he worked with the project to maximize the promotion so it can attract investors then left him without acknowledging his effort, investors should be aware of this kind of action.

What surprises me though is that such an experienced bounty manager accepted campaign without getting money up front, or at least escrowed it.

That surprised me too that he didn't get paid upfront. Well, may be his payment was to be in two parts — Bitcoin and the project token, and they did pay him only the project token leaving out that of Bitcoin. But if at all they didn't pay him any, that will be poor negotiation on Murat's part. However, the good thing about the whole situation is the escrow part and this is why every BM should have projects' tokens escrowed to them as part of the negotiations. Good one, Murat. All isn't lost at all.

Update - Everyone Received their token (Deducted transaction fees)

Tx- https://etherscan.io/address/0x129e28db2bc5eae7454df8ba8e194929c52bbd72#tokentxns

Best Regards
Murat

Why do projects order bounty campaigns from third parties in 2020?  In the majority of cases, it ends badly for both of the parties.

Do you really need so much knowledge to do that? It’s easy, the project needs just one manager for that, and you can order bounty signatures from a freelancer.   

Then why would they hire a manager for temporary work if a freelancer can do all of the job?
Please reply with quotes.

It’s unlikely that an employee will go public with disagreements.   

I worked on many bounty campaigns for projects and didn’t have any problems with most of them!

As we can see from this topic, problems can take their toll both on a freelancer and a project. The point isn’t that you didn’t have problems with most of the projects you worked with, the point is that one disagreement can trigger so many consequences.

There won’t be any disagreements if everyone fulfills their obligations!

Why do projects order bounty campaigns from third parties in 2020?  In the majority of cases, it ends badly for both of the parties.

thousands of bounty hunters that basically join every single bounty campaign that manager hosts. Number of bounty hunters that they can attract is probably one of the arguments they use when negotiating with the poential client.

It’s not clear who is to blame in this case. Freelancers often act in bad faith and use fake accounts to get tokens. 

But Murat accuses the project of not fulfilling its obligations.   

Now, we can’t find out who’s to blame because a lot of users here support Murat, probably they are his friends or followers.     

Why do you think they are his friends?   

Then why did they hire a freelancer who has negative reviews? 

Freelancers often have nothing to do with bounty hunters and don’t know that they practise deception. Don’t baselessly accuse a bounty manager.

I actually don’t do that, I just express my opinion on the situation.

I believe that the projects need the help of bounty managers, and bounty managers shouldn’t be responsible for bounty hunters even if the latter violate some rules.   

I don’t agree, I believe the project should deal with it on its own.   

Maybe you’re right, but few projects have profound knowledge about how bounty programs work. 

I think one can learn about that quickly because a lot of bounty programs have been held over the last years.   

It may take you a lot of time to gain profound knowledge about how to hold a bounty program, and that can be bad for a project

However it’s better than to trust a stranger and then be attacked by the alts    

Probably it’s better to be attacked by the alts than to lose the most valuable resource in life – time.   

I would agree with you if you didn’t defend the alts that belong either to bounty hunters or bounty managers so vigorously   

I don’t defend alts, I just want to say that it’s not as bad as holding a bounty program unskillfully.   

It feels like you do defend them. Alts are the evil, Bitcointalk forum doesn’t need them.   

You haven’t been here on the forum long enough to judge what is good and what is not.   

You judge me by the number of messages? It’s no right.

I don’t get it why you’re so confident. It feels like you have just joined the forum and already try to decide what the forum needs and what it doesn’t need.   

Don’t judge by the number of messages. I read the forum for a long time, read may sections.   

Why didn’t you post messages?

Because I didn’t want to. I’m just surprised to see that someone still uses the services of bounty managers after the 2017-2018 wave of scams.   

Bounty managers have nothing to do with the 2018 wave of scam, they are just people who work with their brains without deceiving anyone.

The projects don’t think so.

Not all of them. Most of the projects held bounty campaigns without any problems