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Its not a about Medical issue.

Its just smoke and mirrors.

Its a about Economic issue.
Becouse the strongest covid restrictions are in places where debt is highest.
But the government had to hide this otherwise If they would telling the truth the more panic would occured!!

The covid smoke and mirrors is not bad idea :)
The rulers who run world are smart like me :)
But they are much more smart If I would run the World I wouldnt not know to use this covid fake Thing

I Wonder how they Got that idea covid 19 to hide their Economic debt bubble and liqutity problem?

So, the country with the world's largest external debt, the United States, has the strictest lockdown measures? Keep in mind that US had the least measures and for that reason has the most cases and most deaths also. Which also increased their debt now.
Seems to me like you've got things exactly backwards...

Covid19 is going to save the economy by killing lots of people that's for sure.

It is all around a well put solution. Burst the debt bubble, kill most of the elders and relieve the social security system, possibly change the banking system to a new one along the way...

It is the full systemic reset that everybody has been waiting for years.

You discovered it all by yourself? You better watch out because "the rulers who run world" will surely come after you for exposing their conspiracy.


What do you mean "least measures"? The US government has recommended its people to wash hands and cover their faces and not go out if they don't feel well and that's already violating their constitutional right to get sick and to infect others. Land of the free. We choose to die rather than be oppressed by a face mask.

Edit: /s because idiots.

Bs conspiracy theory that you can't back with numbers.
Japan and Greece who have the highest debts also had very lax laws for quarantine, Romania which has a low debt to GDP ratio took also tough measures while Sweden which is at the same debt/GDP ratio did almost nothing.


You're right about this one, we're seeing one of the worst generation of leaders in the last centuries.


Just like the HIV was supposed to do, then H1H1, chemtrails and 5G  ;D
I can't stop laughing thinking of these guys who assumingly control the world and are trying for a century to limit the world's population and they keep failing with all the acces they have to reptilian technology and logistics.

World rulers have database they know about Everybody allready.
I don't worry about them Everybody who gone trhu in Something done things what maybe not for average people those people are all ready known
for them and everybody who have no life experince will not belive anyways and those who will undestood my point are the ones who all ready gone trhu some eye opening experiences.

They know the world rulers and i know :)
As long as the Information is not told by publick known and trusted person the world rulers dont care.
As im not publick known person and not have some title as doctor financial guy or economisist.

The World rulers knows that nobody Don't belive me anyways only those who got education from their life experiences will undestood what im talking about.

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I think and im sure its likely not as much population Control its a sustainable about system.
The borders will be closed to Control trading Economic and manufactories.
Its like there is a lot problems in the world Main problem is how to maintain sustainable production.

If there is 2 factories in France and Germany wich produce Same product its not rational and smart way to use resources.

The best way is to close factory in other Place and Open Up bigger factory in other place wich will sadisfy production needs much more smarter way without wasting so many resources.

It can be not done by other way then placing border restrictions to direct work and labour resources who are the people to the most sustainable way.

Belarus is good example of this :)

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The sustainable development is like this.

Country and community has one purpose.

The purpose to provide one kind of Service or produce Something.

And Country wich has no purpose at all and not sustainable need to be closed and most or all population to move other location as labour force or other Type of Service purpose.



Its all about sustainable way to use resources.

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And greece bubble was popped all ready so greece not good example.


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I kinda agree with you because a country tends to have a greater debt when they can't control the virus. Without a strong restriction, more cases will occur and the economy will be affected that's why they will need to borrow money to help them. I'm not sure if I can consider it strong or not when it comes to restrictions since my country still has huge daily cases of COVID and we are all aware that our debt is increasing. The government keeps on borrowing money yet the situation does not seem to improve.

So do you think that overpopulation is the main problem in every part of the world?

Look at China, they have a strong and stable economy even if they have the largest population globally, I'm not saying that their system is good, but they are just taking advantage of overpopulation to strengthen their labors and manufacturing. Overpopulation is not the problem they just know how to adapt depending on the situation.


That's why some people are saying that this Covid-19 is a financial reset. They said that this is good for businesses and the economy, but based on my observation, most of the economies are crashing and struggling.

Resources are limited, people are increasing day by day. The born to died ratio is always in favor of the born. People who are born every second globally is higher than the people who are dying so in short, overpopulation is happening.

I still remember the prediction of Stephen Hawking regarding the overpopulated Earth. One thing more is China isn't the same as the other countries. Yes they have a strong economy right now because they know how to handle it but look at India. One of the most over populated country but they aren't as strong as China.

In order for the world to balance, things like this must happen in order for the economy to be saved. Like I said, resources is limited in the world so we need events like this for the economy to be saved. Its hard to think but that is the truth in this cruel world :).

I don't think that a global pandemic that kills millions is a necessity. Official death toll is I think just short of 1 million, and for obvious reasons countries are under-reporting, so the actual total will be higher... but likely not orders of magnitude higher. The world population is 7.6 billion. Just how high a death toll would be needed in order to 'save economies'? Even 80 million deaths, ~100x the official figure, would only reduce the global population by 1%... which is about the same as (https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/) current world population growth rate. So by this logic we'd need the equivalent of 100 CV19 pandemics every year just to maintain the population at a constant level.

Of course this ignores the fact that far from saving economies, CV19 has had (and will continue to have) a hugely detrimental effect on jobs, wealth and wellbeing.

Overpopulation is indeed a very big problem. China is not really in a good shape neither. I can guarantee you that you wouldn't want to live in China. Have you heard of their social credit system (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System)? You might wanna check that out. China is so fucked up.


That's true. Somebody had to pin the bubble and that's it.

Actually this is a fairly good point. Based on the death numbers world wide the reaction is too high.




24,105,584/8,000,000,000 = 331 to 10,000 catch it

824,406/8,000,000,000 =  9703 to die from it.

even a bad stat country say the usa

is 5,956,661/330,000,000  or a  55 to 1 shot to catch it
and 182,449 die or a 1808 to 1 shot to die from it.

So if you are living in the USA   55 to 1 to get it and 1808 to die from it.

and USA buried its economy

look at Sweden 87,072 caught it and 5,817 died from it.

compare to New Jersey USA 195,854 caught it and 16,058 died from it.

Sweden and New Jersey both have about  same people 10,300,000 for Sweden 8,940,000 for New Jersey
but area varies 20x
area NJ = 8729 Sq Mi
area Sweden = 173,890 Sq Mi

So Sweden did no shutdowns to speak of
New Jersey had really strong shut downs

google stats say:

New Jersey debt load is  7,500 usd per person state debt plus 80,000 federal total of 87,000 a person
Sweden debt load is  17,885 euro that is 21000usd per person

So Sweden worked  and they did not die much compared to NJ. Sweden did not shut down.


So the low debt place works and lives.
the high debt place stays home and dies.

We're nowhere near that point, people have been saying this for centuries and here we are and there are still plenty of resources left.
It all started with Malthus and his theory of people dying from hunger as the Earth can't feed us all, but Malthus died in 1834, the first steam tractors appeared in 1860s.

Here is a collection of a few of those non-sense doom predictions:
https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/18-spectacularly-wrong-apocalyptic-predictions-made-around-the-time-of-the-first-earth-day-in-1970-expect-more-this-year-3/


The Earth can even right now feed 10 billion, we're throwing so much food we could feed Europe on it, half of the world lacks proper agricultural machines, even Eastern Europe does, there is also a lack of efficiency in a lot of other manufacturing areas, and there is one more important fact.
Population growth is slowing down, we might now even reach 10 billion at all, look at what's happening in Asia  (https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.TFRT.IN?locations=IN-BD-VN-KR-PK) or South America (https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.TFRT.IN?locations=BR-AR-CO-PY-PE-VE)

Yes I think you are right :)


I think the Next debt bubble will pop off in Finland.
Finland have world one of the most hidden debt wich will come to the day light soon!

Do we have the figures to at least give this conspiracy theory a little support? Otherwise, this is just another addition to the rising number of conspiracy theories surrounding COVID-19 which are totally baseless or at least backed by what seems to be coincidental figures and data.

But it's still far from over in the US and those are really horrible odds, considering that a lot of people (elderly, obese, etc) have a much higher chance of bad outcomes.


I bet population density and other factors (such as said population being woefully undisciplined and/or unhealthy) are to blame here. You can't seriously suggest that New Jersey was targeted because of debt. Why not West Virginia, since the debt (the federal part) is nearly the same?


This sucks. I was planning an ICO to build a Dyson sphere.

You can't connect the dots?  

I am yet to see the ''figuring out'' that you have done in this case because it seems this is purely some connecting the dots which is something anyone can come up with just by simply watching the news and following the narratives without necessarily doing any research of sort. Most huge economies of the world are built on debts and that is not new to any one. And those economies are the most advanced which makes them more susceptible to the virus because of the level of intercountry trades that happened. So its a direct relationship that should not give room to any form of controversy.

I'm not that knowledgeable about that Social Credit System but I will spend some time to read about it.

And it is true that even if China is the number 1 manufacturer of those PPEs that is being used to fight the Covid-19, they are still having some struggles in their economy. But to be frank, they have the power and ability to control their economy because they are a business-minded community.

Think about If You have to rule world :)

Not easy,  If You make Good life for everyone it Will be mess!!

We need to do some sacrafices in world to sacrafice many to save few.
If anybody Will earn good money then nobody will work anymore.



People spend What They Don't have....
Middle class who is mostly brainless credit card chunkies....  Using mostly luxury and wealth what They Don't have.

I do undestood its not easy to rule world world is full of idiots and parasites

No wonder I haven't caught the virus, it must've seen my latest bank statement and saw that my bank account is almost full. Gonna have to open a new one soon.

Btw. Politics and Socienty called, they want their daily Covid-19 conspiracy thread back.

I beg your pardon but I cannot even see a lot of dots. I can only see that there is COVID-19, which is simply a different coronavirus strain. There is also the fact that COVID-19 has quickly become a pandemic due to its being very infectious, with all countries in the world--rich and poor, powerful and weak, thickly populated and otherwise, buried in debt and not, and so on and so forth--having their domestic transmissions.

However, despite the spread of the virus all over the world, the mortality rate is very low. But this did not stop countries from implementing strict measures to put a check on the spread. And these measures are enough to cause a massive economic slump not just in selected countries but all over the globe.

they have the power and ability to control their economy because they have slavery in China. You may see this as the perfect form of capitalism but like I said, you wouldn't want to start a new life from stratch in China.

Lots of people go to the US with nothing and can get a well paying job and a few smarter of them can even become millionaires in a few years. There are plenty of jobs in the US if you are a hard worker. Most homeless people in the US have chosen to be a homeless.

Good luck with trying to live like a human being in China. They won't give you that.

I'd suggest you to watch some documentaries about China. You'll get the picture pretty quickly.

***Don't get me wrong, the US is pretty fucked up in its own way but if I had to choose between them...***

The people who are telling that Covid is smokes and mirrors should pay a visit to the nearest COVID ward and should roam inside it without wearing any mask and then I can believe that it is just a hoax and I will support you too.
Covid is as real as any other disease and should not be taken lightly, ask those families who lost their loved ones who were fighting the COVID and the healthcare workers who are in danger every day working in the Covid-19 wards. You can see the fear in their eyes that they can get infected at any time, yet they are helping others.

I believe leaders of every country are smart and has a lot of plans and ways to sustain the economic status as well as the community during this pandemic. They will not allow their country to be destroyed by pandemic. Also that's why there is a leader on every country to lead the people and the economy so that their country will run with a purpose.

I completely agree with you, because if people continue to take covid-19 so lightheartedly, then we will have even more problems and even more people will lose. The fact is that not all people who are carriers of this virus can get sick with it. Some people are simply carriers of this infection and they can cause illness and death of other people, while unaware that their ignorance of basic safety rules is doing so much harm.

It indeed not easy at all. and base from your statement rulers are doing what they've think will going
to make things better for them to the point of sacrificing.
Hard job but it's realities that's happening right now, there are lots of fools and idiots who tend to be
smart but act like different at all.
You have to keep adjusting if you wanted to have a better world, if you are rounded of fools you need
to be more wiser and stronger to eradicate this foolishness.

sorry..  I don't really like opinions that are only based on assumptions, please provide valid data because right now we are in a period of "hard to trust anyone"..

This is why some people suspected this pandemic to be unnatural because of this view. Some says that it was designed to lessen the world's population without firing a single missile or bomb, and without any country to blame. Covid is killing the economy at the moment, but once we gone through this the positive effect will be seen in the long run.

ohh this is a good point, the coronavirus are prone to elders, in fact in our country the median of deaths by age is 65 which is appropriate age for having a social security pension.

I guess whether it comes naturally or not, this will be the gate of opening a new system especially in healthcare systems coz the poor healthcare system from different side of the world is proven to be ineffective in a catastrophic events.

Are you one of those guys that also say that the virus is just a hoax created by the liberals to tank the economy? lol.
So, how do you think this is helping the government to hide the "economic debt bubble" (not even sure if you exactly know what an debt bubble is) from the people/world? And you are saying people are *not* dying from this "covid fake Thing"? Please add more to your conspiracy theories. Start telling people that those who are dying are faking their death and is getting paid by the government to do so.. ::)

It's not really killing people at a rate that was seen during the influenza pandemic of 1918, and I think the media really hypes up the death tolls to make it seem like COVID-19 is deadlier than it is.

Now, I'm not a conspiracy theorist by nature, but this pandemic certainly did a good job of taking everyone's attention away from the Trump impeachment discussion.  If I recall correctly, that was being talked about quite a bit right before the media got fixated on coronavirus.  And hell, it's put pretty much every other important news story on the back burner, including the rampant money-printing and debt accumulation.  As I said, I'm not into conspiracy theories, but it was pretty damn convenient.

Just for the record, I don't think COVID-19 is a hoax or was manufactured by China (or anywhere else) for nefarious purposes.  I just think the world's reaction to it has been way overblown.

yes i belive it is so :)

Conspiracy theories are usually stupid and this one is not an exception.  The US is suffering a widespread outbreak because it won't undergo strict lockdown procedures, and as a country with a massive debt load it fails the very correlating test you propose in your conspiracy theory.  Further, shutting down economic activity to try and stem the flow of the virus makes it even more difficult to service the debt loads a country carries as tax revenues drop as a direct result of lower economic activity, so your theory that the countries with the highest debt load have purposely introduced lockdowns as a means to hide their debt problems doesn't even make logical sense.  It would actually make the debt problems all the more apparent as the share of debt-to-GDP would skyrocket.

debt is not bad thing without debt we would not have our dollar bills in our hands every money is someones debt:)
more debt is more money we just borrow from future.

but yes bigger debt places are  in europe the france  other continents   the number one debt is in australia and i think finland will follow..
usa is doing pretty good as usa dollar is still reserve currency.

i think the money was just going out of circlelation due to high prices coused by inflation ....but the old game is over in many places now new cards and and new game.

old debt can be deleted erased its not a problem

i dont think usa will suffer much of this debt since usa will print money yes and a lot the inflation will hit yes but its not that big i think usa is still one of the greatest countries.

but this all not the point here...the point i made was that the covid is just economic smoke and mirror for real problem wich is debt bubble.
same was happening 2008  when crash was not that big so they did not need to hide this crash with some smoke and mirrors scheme.
but every 10 years the economic circle will start and will end so everytime the end of the bull martkets and starting of the debt p´bubble will be more and more painful.

we have more credit and loans then actual money is existing the next 10 years  i dont think the covid 19 smoke and mirrors idea can even hide the problem. 2030 will be painful coz by that time the smoke and mirrors covid cant hide anymore i guess so.

This prove out that he do lack up some research before making any claims about those countries which do had the largest debts had the most strictest lockdown measures.

To think that ive been living on a 3rd world country but the measures were indeed too strict way more than on other countries which i can totally say that these are just baseless presumptions
that arent happening as of this moment.

They can possibly make use of covering it up but people wont really be that blind or they cant still escape on what they had owed.They might be on excuse for now but they would really still
had that obligation.

I think you deserve a Nobel Prize for this Revelation? Don't you? USA and China are two biggest Economies of the world US had almost no lockdown while China already is COVID free. Alternatively do you realize that stopping of economy using lockdown can instead pose problem this debt bubble as the circle of money would instantly stop. This was the prime reason why most of the countries suspended lockdown even though the cases count didn't go South. Because they knew that liquidity problems will begin if they didn't restart the Economy. Tell me the truth you posted this because you were bored and wanted someone to make fun of you right?

but first you should know that where the money come from?
money come from the banks banks get them from money printing factories, money printing factories such us federal reserve get commercial paper in return from the banks with ...paper and signature and money factory will send money to bank and bank will lend out this money to person who apply for loan thats why the loan process will take usually like 3 -5 working days.
the loans is given out to people as longes the loan giving plan is full filled the money does not exist before someone will borrow this money.
to pay back principal with intrest % is what gives value to money  for example  JOE NEEDS 10 k  from bank bank will give him 10k joe have 10k but he must pay back 10k plus 1000   so all together 11k   but the bank has only giving out 10k the rest of the  1000 JOE must find himself to pay back.

higher intrest rates gives higher value to money but will take down economy and will make more debt slaves who will fight with each other to survive and find money ...if the intrest rates are up it means now people competing with each other to pay NON EXIXISTING MONEY.

At first beggining of economic circle intrest rates are always low ...and at the end the intrest rates will go slowly higher.
this game been on 10 years 2020 is just when the bubble popped and people realised there is more debt if actual money in circelation if thats the situation then the solution is bankcrupty.
money is sucked out from circleation slowly before the bubble will pop then many people realise that they dont have money and banks dont led either.

its not some science or university education knowledge its just simple knowledge what everybody should know how it all works.
thats why there is law that every debt can be erased after 10 years.
and covid is just way to hide that shops dont have money banks are run out of cash also and people dont enough money.


its all just a game and business nothing personal its a commercial business some lose some win.

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usa is restarted economy and china did also.

and usa made restarting ecxacly what i said with huge money prinitng and debt more debt but this debt is joke after 10 years you dont have to pay back debt anymore.

i belive the lower or nagive intrest rates will save the economy for longer ....the inflation its a problem only that you get less for your money and cheaper labour wages but inflation is good for investors higher inflation means good bullish markets for gold and btc and stocks.
and if there is too much money in the world and in order to protect money value....what the goverment must do???...to rise up taxes off course!!
and if taxes rise the consumer prices and real estate everything will go up.

and thats all shows that covid is way to hide debt bubble and reason to start next 10 years with even bigger debt.




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Actually Trump's impeachment was the real distraction. It was a bluff, it would never happen not in these times when America is so divided. Right now the US is having a civil war looks like the gang wars that happen in Africa.

Look at this shit:

https://i.imgur.com/dGwoSLZ.png (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVNjwHylxbk)

A 17-old kid comes from another state with a rifle shoots 3 people. 2 dead and another will be a cripple for life. (no biceps for him)

This is America right now. Completely fucked up.

Now imagine what would happen if Trump was kicked out from the White House.


The world's reaction was quite poor actually.

The situation get much worse because of those who don't take it seriously. Right now all hospitals in my city are full. They just give you a few pills in a plastic bag and send you home.

I'm constantly laughing lol 😹 I think you did a PhD on conspiracy theories lmao. Inflation and fiat abuse is not a new subject. Dig more you'll learn hopefully.

Although the coronavirus has spread to most of the countries in the world, no drug has been developed to destroy the virus or any antidote to prevent it. If you are infected with coronavirus, it will be a common illness for most people. In that case it is possible to cure this disease by resting at home, drinking paracetamol and plenty of water.

It seems that the OP is right, because the US is the country with the most foreign debt, but the problem is that they are not doing serious things to deal with this pandemic, or have the government made maximum efforts but its citizens are not obeying protocol and regulations.
we just hope this case is fleeting because it concerns the whole world.

This only some part of USA in Manhattan nyc and Los Angeles Hollywood Beverly hills miami south Beach are Still good spots!

This is what I believe to what will mostly to happen with covid-19. This disease will be a common disease in the future even we have a vaccine, it will be added to inject on the babies to help fight from getting the virus. But there are a lot of people especially in the USA, who got a lot of covid cases that does not believe on vaccines lol.

The mortality rate is low, you can treat yourself at home obviously.

You mean the places where people can afford to pay $10m for a flat?  ;D Damn right.

Let them get fucked those who earn $2k-5k/monthly. Them miserable poor losers don't deserve to live a happy life.

the poor people can be envy and not happy about beverly hills and nyc manhatten super rich ....but what they can do ???


nothing !! just simply nothing.  they cant change the rich guys life worse but they can improve their own lives

Do we have anything more than this one anecdote to go on?


Fear of the unknown is a powerful thing. When the lockdowns were put into place, the mortality rate was thought to be much higher, transmissibility was not understood, etc. So a "better safe than sorry was approach" was taken, although it didn't do much good containing the virus in the US anyway.


Conspiracy theory 101 over here. :P

Agree, this what happening right now isn't a fake thing because many are affected here. There are economic wars happening right now and we already knew that China is already gaining a lot and taking advantage of the current pandemic. Third world countries are suffering, they even loaned a lot of money in the world bank which we don't when the government will pay for it.

This pandemic is obviously caused by a country who seek growth in the economy and want to dominate the others. It's not just a simple virus that spread out because of natural changes, it's impossible.

Every country wants to do the best for its people. In this pandemic, the government allocated a large part of its budget for public health and welfare. almost all countries have the same problem, namely a declining economy that forces the government to make loans to other countries. It's sad but it has to be because that's the best they can do.

If each government mean this virus to Hide their Debt then they are stupid letting their economy fell more and load all over the world just to Help their people because of the situation?
What you mean here is those Countries smoked this Covid just to make their economic status break more and continue to fall badly?
Do you realize How much money is being spent just to fight this Covid and how many people Dying in every nations?
Dont be stupid looking for Story that did not really comply to the real situation.

I agree on everyone OP. Maybe you are now confused due to the series of unfortunate events but dude everything is real. So slap your face and wake up, the spread of this virus is not intended only just to hide the debt of certain country/s. I think a more believable story would be "manmade virus as a biological weapon" ;D (but then again, it was only a conspiracy as well lol).

Everything is all about science, the numbers and effects on one's body don't lie. If you keep your belief then that's fine as long as you are not doing dumb things which makes the situation worse. Keep wearing mask and maintain social distancing at all times. God bless.

You are not the first, my friend, to suspect that the Corona virus is a lie and a game of governments. There, for example, in Germany, thousands protested about this issue, as some have exhausted themselves in research and investigation to prove that the Corona virus is nothing but a biological war launched by a superpower Others believe that there is a conspiracy theory about the existence of this virus, while others argue that there is an economic game led by great companies.
Unfortunately, all the data and numbers that come out to us daily indicate and confirm the existence of a real pandemic and we must confront it.

I can understand why many people think that the corona virus is not real, because pandemic like this come suddenly and also
everyone is not ready for reality. Therefore, various conspiracy theories emerged. I think the most sensible one is man-made
corona virus to be able to destroy the world economy, but because there is no evidence. So I don't trust that 100% either.
Instead of thinking nonsense, focus more on implementing health protocols to avoid the corona virus.

Hospitals in major cities of many countries have no vacant beds remaining for months;

death numbers / city compared to last year and this year month after month have seen huge spikes, this despite the fact that most traffic accident deaths were eliminated because of everyone staying home.

It's true that for people with strong immune systems, the covid virus can be unnoticeable or equivalent to / slightly worse than a common cold, which actually reinforces the theory that it is man made as a population control experiment...

I think the fact is not what government are doing for their people or economy .The government are hiding the genuine information about their economy .They are taking loan for overcome the situation but can't expose their capability on economics site .

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Not only the USA instead all of the country right now which has the number of the infected also in the other part of the world the same with the USA is the Philippine due to having to ignore at the first place the virus and now suffering from their number if the cases right now due to having mack if sources they need to make a loan to another country the USA is on the side of the other allies the Philippines is on the part of China.

Those debts are one of their biggest struggles because after this pandemic outbreak they need to pay all of that money and if they cannot they must need to allow other countries to control their own places

Yeah this is not intended to hide debt of countries that has large amount of credit,But if we have something to think about the spread
of this?is the Theory that China really made this virus to bring the world into crisis and they will offer hand to make those country
under His command since they have credits on them.
Look how easy they fought the Virus while the whole world is still suffering?
there is something to think about this
and for OP this is what he needs to Dig in deeper.
Maybe let us wait until He or one of His family member or friends be infected and for Him to realized what he was saying here.
Imagine He is accusing those country including mine that faking this Covid and just for the sake of debit?this is a serious joke man.

Everyone has right for opinion:)
Im not accusing anyone by the names.
Im not accusing anyone for murder here

Mostly I get entertained if I see person like You are You taking everything in so serious way for me its all just joke:) 

You aren't even honest with yourself.

Aren't you accusing people of murder ? just accusing them of letting / creating the covid-19 to let people die ::)

Using the non-argument "Everyone has right for opinion" is not an argumentation.

"I'm not accusing anyone by the names." that hypocrisy.... when you are targeting a minority of people that everybody know.

It I Say world ruler??  Who do you think by names?
Maybe I tought indiana jones or Some kind of reptile aliens?
So the aliens reptiles go court?  Lol....
Do They Come Here from Other dimension?
Or They send fax to court?

Dude?  What are talking?  You see you dont make sense!

I think what you have found out are just made out of your theoretical out view on how things are going on right now at this time of pandemic. Ever since right before the pandemic, there are already certain countries who have large debts from bigger countries most specially talking about the third world countries. The existence of strict implementation of health protocols are being executed to manage and control the inflation rate of the infected individuals and that cannot be relevantly related to the debts a certain country have.

In our country where which belongs to the third world, we are really pretty much aware of the existing debts that our country have and they cannot hide it duly because of the FOI (Freedom of Information) of the mass media which informs us of the latest happenings that our government is doing. This includes corrupt allegations and even those that have already proven and this also includes the debts our government is doing to support financial aid assistance to those that are needy and lack of capacity to earn because of the pandemic

The point is that such theory of implementing strict restrictions just to hide debts is somehow have no basis for the main reason why this was being implemented is to control the possible further spreading of the virus that can get worst into shutting down the whole economy for the man power will be lacking of capability to work due to sickness.

One thing which may hold true is that many countries are trying their best so that the need which is required to the lowest level person it reaches it, but unfortunately there would be corruption in between levels due to which that help would not be able to reach to all the required people and also in coming time the biggest challenge to all government would be the job creation so that unemployed people get back into the job and make a earning for themselves.

that is why every election we are taught to vote wisely not just vote if who gave you bribes because later on we will realize its difference . i feel sorry for those countries that has a corupt leader because people dont get or dont get enough help .

@op , people wont panic if they know the truth that covid is not real , government maybe are the one that will panic because people will attack them

When you say "smoke and mirrors" that connotes an intentional deception.  Maybe that's not your point?  Maybe you just mean it's a distraction.  That might be closer to a legitimate point, but I'd still disagree with it.  The two aren't related.

The 2008 crash was absolutely monstrous.  There was systemic collapse throughout the financial system and liquidity evaporated.  It would have continued to cascade had the government not stepped in to bailout financial firms.  You can take issue with whether that was the right call or not, but it's a fact that financial firms would have continued to go under with increasing severity if the situation was not stabilized with massive injections of new money, which came in the form of quantitative easing.

So, you are saying that all these people who are supposedly are "dead" are not dead?
All these masks are for nothing, the virus is a hoax and we could all go outside like nothing happened and we all would be fine?

Well, if that is the case please do go outside without mask and ask someone who has corona virus to sneeze on you, since he doesn't really have the "corona" virus because it doesn't even exists, you should be fine and you would be free to go home and you will get better. Hell just in case do this once a month until they say there is no more virus, that way you can prove people that you have been coughing distance of a corona patient once a month and tried to get it yet you are still fine, that would show them!! If this sounds too stupid to you, because it is, and so is what you said.

the OP needs to contemplate and revisit again the statements that he wrote. deaths can't be faked as you can see it everyday in the news. if this is not caused by the virus then what is? there are still individuals who up until now believe that this covid pandemic is a hoax. curious where they are living why they are not experiencing the effect of this pandemic? or just ignoring the facts and pretend that this is not happening?

Sure, natural resources are limited, but we aren’t really lacking resources that much to say that a global pandemic is something we need to control the overpopulation.

Remember that during the lockdown, many women conceived. Those additional lockdown babies would then just add up to the population. The deaths would just be ‘nullify’ because of the additional births that took place during the pandemic. This just contradicts your statement saying this event is necessary.

Another thing for resources is that companies are manufacturing food and other necessities for consumption. The only thing needed to avail these is money, which would be generated if the economy is in good shape. And right now, I don’t think the economic status of each country is at its stable and nice form.

This pandemic brought so much more struggle especially to those third world countries’ economy. The developed and soaring countries are the only ones benefiting from this since their economies didn’t take a hit that much, compared to the poor ones.

You can certainly try to develop this theory to throw evidence and form a full-fledged conspiracy theory to the delight of conspiracy theorists - but as we said above, you immediately have a fundamental error goes at least with the same result.
I think if you look and the rest of the country with large debts it is possible to see is the picture.
Only few people in the world care about debt if the economy is successful. This is a standard economic process and it is quite difficult for countries to live here and now (in some places) without it. Let me remind you that there are no countries in the world without external debt in principle.

I think that was certainly an allegation and no certain proof to support that covid-19 is being placed as a smoke to cover the debts that the government have. It is just that the strict implementation of the health protocols are being executed is to prevent the spread of the virus and to manage the rising numbers of the infected cases of individuals that a certain country is having for there is still no cure to end up this pandemic. There is no distinct and proven relationship that the debts of the government are being covered up by implementing strict health protocols. The strict implementation are done because it is in need and the call of the situation.

Maybe strict protocols are being held to manage the possibility of having more debts because if the infectious rate would be manage as early as possible, then there is no certain need to borrow money from bigger nations to support health related expenses. But that does not certainly intended to cover up the debts that the government have committed.

They are not totally hiding these problems.  Leaders are actually helping each other and looking for best solutions to fight the economic disaster brought by this covid19.
It's unexpected generally, because it was hidden on it's early stage.
Temporary solutions are to make works less people, so there are ones that are scheduled alternately. This will help the economy somehow to stabilized.

OP might be professing a conspiracy theory, while reading OP's post I got a stroke. In the first place, why hide your problems when your citizens can see the cracks slowly showing. The reason that we have this economic problem is that most of the countries do not have a very good emergency measure, my country for example is too incompetent to make an efficient measure regarding the current state of the country, they instead kill their critics and tolerate their corrupt personnel.

I am not understanding what you’re saying, what makes you so sure about what you’re saying here? Have you been to every country to see how the lockdown restrictions were carried out to know which one is strict or not? You can’t even prove what you have said here and someone else already made it clear that you’re wrong and you can check the second comment on your post.

Ugh... Killing lots of people? I don’t know for you, but an economy reset that’s going to be killing everyone is not what I’m looking for, so I wasn’t expecting that. Would be best if it happened in another way, you know anyone can be a victim of this, including you.

Let's get real, you can't fix the social security system in any other way. Millennials and the gen Z don't have that kind of income to support the older people's retirement payments and health expenses. There are just too many of them.

I know, this includes my parents too and I am not too far away to become one of those elder people but that's the truth.

The current population growth is  unsustainable.

It is like that Batman movie (with Joker)... We'll have to make a choice. It is either the older people die or else the youngsters will work for free.

This should also be an eye opener to everybody. Don't waste all your money on silly shit. Always save some.

The real shit will hit the fan when my gen become the boomers. Covid19 will look innocent when the time comes.

So this is the one you discovered? Or just your own theory?

The theory is realistic, I also believe that our leaders are not fully honest to us, running a country is like running a business, not everything is transparent but it's up to us to spot based on what we believe what would possibly happen in the future that most people aren't seeing it now.

So if we are seeing it, we are smart if we prepared for it.

Interesting thing to see people being able to think like this. I mean I knew that there are people who like tin foil hat type of thinking and why not, they are usually either not hurting anyone or they are just hurting other idiots like them so it is not really a big deal most of the time.

But, this is the same type of thinking that brought us the anti-vaccination people as well, it is a scientifically proven thing that vaccine doesn't cause autism and even if it does at a very tiny minor case, the otherside is death, so I rather have 50%!! (which more like 0.0006% even according to idiots who believe it, the reality is 0%) autism chance over 100% chance. So lets hope that these "covid is not real" type of people do not really start to hurt other people as well and cause more death.

This is the time, for the economy of some countries to be balance. Covid-19 has made some government to improve in their economy to be stabilize in massive profit in the future.
I notice something about some countries in the world in this pandemic, some of the country that fail to plan their economy well, they are the one crying about their lost in this covid-19 period.

You know what is sad about the real situation? When you ask democrats, they say that only thing that is needed is cops actually arresting people, not like they want them to be let go free, just taze them and handcuff them and put them back of the cop car where they can't leave, and they will be sent to jail and appear in front of a judge and get their sentence if they are really wrong. That is all, let's say they have a knife, well taze them?

Let's say they have a gun and pointing at you, shoot them at that moment. So as you can see just because someone is criminal doesn't mean cops could shoot them, there is NO justification, taze them, handcuff them and put them in the car, simple as that. Republicans on the other hand want to kill the protestors who want to protest the racial injustice, HOW IS THAT THE SAME?

Seems like you are saying that each government Let their people dies just to Hide their debts?
what kind of mind thinking is that?
you don't Know how valuable life is just to make something out like this to Give your hallucinations in words.
Corono Virus is killing people hour after hour or even Minute after minute and here you are making such post without even thinking how people feels.

I agree. No government would like to hide their debts and will just let their people dies because I think even they are not a good leader, they will still do everything for their country's safety. The reasons why some countries have huge debts, so they could just provide the needs of every hospitals to cure their COVID-19 patients during the pandemic.

Yes. I think it is a must now for the government to secure the safety of the citizens from corona virus even if it means increasing their current debts just to provide the basic needs not just for the hospitals and their medical facilities but for all the citizens living in a country.

one point is right that is we are facing such a worst leader

At least you should have posted data about your finding you are blinded by your idea on how smart you are, CoVid is a medical issue and it will be solved by our scientist and not by our politicians and economist, there are divisiveness among politicians and countries but our scientist cannot be divided by politicians because they are united by facts on how to solve this CoVid.

I don't think so it's Fake.
Because I myself saw people from my own eyes dying from this pandemic.
They were helpless and have no no one around except medical staff to took care of them.
May be your point is valid but you are raising a wrong point here.

There are enough anti-vaxers to be wholly damaging. The Unites States is full of them, and the internet allows them to all find each other and live in an echo chamber of delusion where they all rule themselves up to believe vaccines are ineffective or a hoax or nefarious or any number of other untrue and stupid things they believe. There are enough of them to threaten to nullify hear immunity. I wish we could send them back to when polio was rampant and see how anti-vax they would be them.

I'm sure that covid exists because there's a pathogent that is killing weak and old people, there's no doubt about it. Was it orchestrated or natural, is a more important question.


Are you talking about the world leader? The one who rules from the shadows on behalf of the reptilians? ::)

There cant be 99.99% of people vaccinated. Some people cant vaccinate because that vaccine could even kill them or at least make them seriously ill. There is not that few people wit such conditions. All that need to take auto immune pills.  I read some old researched that claimed that for covid-19 much lower population have to be immune for virus to spread.  I am sure right now there are more accurate researched and virologists know how much of population will have to be vaccinated for virus to vanish. It is not 99% it is also not 90% but much less. Maybe 50%

Until now, the vaccine in my country has entered the third phase, for the second of the trial period. when the vaccine was tested in the first period the results were quite encouraging. the results of people who were injected with the immune vaccine grew to reach 90% so that they were able to fight the Covid-19 virus. So if the procedure is like that, we can be sure that the vaccine will be given to those whose immune system is down to increase their immunity within reasonable limits so they can survive the exposure to Covid-19. hopefully in the second period even higher and encouraging results.

I think government just did it to protect people from panic but in our country ,government are very transparent to their countrymen. Also government we do a lot to make sure that the economic status will be preserved and not going to collapse totally.

Sometimes it kills perfectly healthy people too. It is usually about your viral load. If you took too much virus in your first contact with the virus, you are probably going to get pretty sick.

IMO opinion COVID-19 was never a smokescreen on something but tbh it's the complete opposite. And what I mean about that is with this virus you will see what's wrong with our government as well as with our citizens. Before the pandemic even spread the governments of most countries have the chance to contain the virus earlier but what they did is they just let it pass like it was just nothing for them, now that everything worsened you will see a lot of their flaws when it comes to running their own country. For the citizens you will see a considerable amount of people violating quarantine protocols and even to the simple rule of wearing a facemask just for their protection. COVID-19 was never some kind of smokescreen it is the truth teller.

I think that in this moment of world lock-down, Governments dont have any other option than to increase debt in order to help economy survive and keep spinning. In the globalized world, each and every country will be strongly affected, without exemption

Totally agree with you. This pandemic causes will not be solved by politicians and economists, but by scientific progress. Everything else is just humbug. The task of politicians and economists is to minimize the consequences for the social cohesion of societies and the economy as much as possible.
That there are actors who pursue their own interests (e.g. banks or highly indebted states) is entirely conceivable and probably also the case.

I think this pandemic is not used to be a smoke and mirror to hide something that the government do and did no want the public to know about it. The implementation of the strict health protocols are actually done to certain countries with the most cases depending on the need to do so because the protocols are the ones who will take into managing and controlling the number of infected cases not to rise up. Yes, there are certain countries that implement very strict health protocols just like here in the country where I reside but that is because it is a need. Maybe it is also to save up money for our resources and funds is limited to support the health assistance needed for fight against this covid-19 pandemic.

I’ve doubt to what Op said the government was never a smoke and mirrors just to hide during this pandemic. Many citizen even in our country very well know the truth that the debt is huge just to survive the economy. People these days are smart with the use of this technology. That's true the government has no choice to increase debt and it's needed to help people during this pandemic.

People will talk about this for decades, it will not be over anytime soon. Don't get me wrong, covid will eventually get a vaccine and a cure and everything will go back to normal, you think swine flu doesn't exist anymore? It still does exist and it still kills people, hell even common flu kills people but in th end we are talking about insignificant numbers that will not make the world stop, it is life goes on.

No what I mean is the "talk" of covid will continue, all the things it caused, all the debt it created, all the places bankrupted, all the people whose lives were crashed. We are still talking about 2008 aren't we? Did we suddenly stopped talking about it? No. We still continue our lives though, we didn't just rolled over and die just because there was 2008, we won't after 2020 neither.

No country will use a pandemic just to smoke and mirrors their debt and other related problems, its like killing your own economy if you do that and having a debt during a pandemic specially if you're in a country who are not that rich or belong in the third world, debt is inevitable, it is a way of saving their citizens so the OP isn't smart, virus is a very dangerous thing and even the government will be pushed in its corner by the virus so thinking that they used it just to hide their debt is clearly not possible, OP's reason is to shallow.

50% may be too low. Because I have read journal articles, which claim that the spread of the virus can be stopped only if at least 70% of the population is immune to it. This can be either through a vaccination program, or through herd immunity. One of the few countries which tried the herd immunity approach was Sweden. And they are doing relatively well nowadays, with very few new deaths and infections.

China can get over it very easily without just caring about it, we are talking about a nation who is run by propaganda all the time and even what you should think about is feed to you every single day, if you are someone who thinks differently something bad might happen to you, we have all seen the footage, people there think of CCP as the god or they die, we all know this.

So, why wouldn't they get back to work when CCP tells them to go back to work? Why would they think shares should go down when media tells them it is great time to buy? When you have sheep that follows you around, it is easy to tell them go off a cliff, as long as you are the shepherd they will do what you tell them to do and China is exactly like that, a shepherd at the top and bunch of sheep doing what shepherd tells them to do.

Look at their country,they are growing and growing becoming a great nation.

and don't just look at what media can give you,I thought youa re from china but it seems that you are only relying on what youa re watching and reading in news.
if that is for the great of the country then why not?as long as the people are living and not violated their rights so be it.

In other countries of the world these people are not working to maintain the social distance to protect themselves from the virus everyone is moving freely. Therefore adequate vaccination is their only antidote many sweden are aware that they have reduced the risk of contracting the virus in addition to other vaccines. So far no one was able to send in the perfect solution which is not strange behind in terms of vaccine discovery.

Somehow true. Actually, there's a lot of issues behind this covid-19 crisis. But, over thinking will only make us so depressed. So, we better left this issues behind, and think positively in order to survive. The virus is so deadly and I'm really scared about it. So, if we still want to survive, we just follow all the Governments guidelines and safety protocol. Its the least that we could do now, until the vaccine will soon be release.

usa is now world number one with covid cases...... also usa is one the biggest in debt country !
and cases in counries  wich is not so debted are lower......so ?   i think it has something do with debt and i do think its smoke and mirrors!

It's not smoke and mirrors and it has nothing to do with debt. India and Brazil both have a good chance to pass the US in number of cases. India due to population density presenting a giant risk to the country and the total population gives a lot more potential infections, and Brazil because they have an idiotic leader who downplays the virus and is more content to ignore it than try to prevent the spread of it (shares this in common with the US, but more at risk I would say due to economic and structural weaknesses in the government compared to the US).

ok if you say so we should ask here members who knows more then we do?  is any politic or economy society  experts here?

I am not sure which country you are from, but if you look at the debt according to the countries GDP Japan has the most debt and Greece and Singapore comes in the top ten. The data is available for everyone to cross check and can you very well tell one country that is not affected by the pandemic, every country is struggling from the pandemic and it is not smoke and mirrors but there will be smoke and mirrors in the sense that the politicians will blame their failed policies on the economic struggle entirely on the pandemic.

Brazil is the worst example. The president (Jair Bolsonaro) even refused to acknowledge the seriousness of the pandemic in the beginning. Even when the death toll crossed into tens of thousands, he refused to declare a nation-wide lockdown. On the other hand, India was among the first countries to declare a nation-wide lockdown. And it helped them in slowing down the spread (at least during the initial phase).

The thing about politicians is that they do not look for what is best for the country, they look what is best for their voters. I have been involved in politics in my nation and I can tell you that if something is bad for the country but gains votes, politicians will do that, if something is great for the nation but loses you votes, they will not do that.

So, that results with a nation being ruled with "what will gain me votes" and that is how they become amazingly popular politicians and when they become so powerful that they could do some failed stuff that will only gain them power but will lose them a bit of votes, they will still be high ahead enough to keep them at their position they start to do them more and more and turn iron fist dictators over time, some nations can prevent it, some nations can't.

Japan always had a very high debt-to-GDP ratio and there the economy is used it. The other countries that you have mentioned (Greece, Singapore.etc) doesn't even rank among the top-25 countries as far as GDP is concerned. And the high debt-to-GDP ratio forced an economic meltdown in Greece a few years back. None of the major economies apart from Japan and the US have such a high ratio.

Well you can add Trump to that list of politicians who haven't taken the pandemic seriously and has paid a price for it. Up until now, Americans have been paying the price for Trump's refusal to take the pandemic seriously, but the idiot has contracted it himself now as a direct result of not taking it seriously, which is some long overdue karma.

Agree to this, politicians aren't doing those achievements for their country, it's been done for their own good so their party will gain trust from the citizens. That's why we should research and should consider those achievements of a person before entering politics. The problem here also is those people aren't voting wisely, they're being brainwashed by simple things because they lack wisdom about it and easily influenced.

Here in my country, they're doing stuff that isn't related to the current pandemic and still being praised by their supporters. The millions of money that should've been spending in the health care system.

So true and the politicians use their people as vote bank which means they will only work for votes.

The leaders know they are in position for a few years and during this time they have to fill their illegal banks with loads of cash and also have to manage on how to win the next elections which means they never have the vision to work for the people.

China is a great example how a single leader can help develop the nation because they do not have to think about votes every few years and can actually work for the betterment of their people. I was impressed how they created so many hospitals in the awake of covid-19 and while every country was trying to avoid corona virus they were fighting with it.

One thing I have learned is that most of the leaders are uneducated and rather than following what they say I now like to follow what is the reality and how to prevent myself. I mean the government can force shutdowns and lockdowns for ages without actually knowing how much people are suffering.

I was recently reading an article where a family suicide together because they had no options left and rather than dying of crisis and starvation they decided to take poison. The government will never understand what people are going through because they are sitting down in their offices while planning how to win the next elections and how to fool their voters so that they can come into power again.

the next election kind of stuff are just some pointless circus lol:D

the trump biden show look like some real circus or comedy show with tax payers money:D
not wattching elections its just comedy and joke