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As you all know Mitchell topic is dedicated only for updating the table and local rules prohibit discussion.
However, sometimes there is grey zone where discussion should occur to alert from possible scam running campaigns, protesting on low payments campaigns or some (hidden) rules imposed by other ones (KYC) and so on...

Campaign: Kardiachain Signature Campaign | Accesible Blockchain for Millions (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5343702.msg57228989#msg57228989)
Manager : Coin_trader (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=807453)
Who can participate : Sr.Member (5), Hero/Legendary (10), total 15 slots.
Payment : Sr.Member - 20$/week, Hero/Legendary - 40$/week, payment is made to your Binance Pay account.
Rules:At least 20 posts per week, at least 5 posts in Altcoin boards, at least 3 merit in 120 days.
Posts are not counted in: Off-Topic, Games & Rounds, Bounty/Signature threads and threads in which the signature is not visible.

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On this campaign they are also not require any KYC directly. But the site or payment method they will use to send the payment require kyc as binance, bitsler and many more sites require KYC to make higher transaction on their website. So, I do not think they are doing something different than this.

Adding campaign details:


Well, you are basically saying that you can participate the campaign without doing any KYC. But if you want to get paid, you need to do KYC. Lol

this is different from past campaigns i have seen...

Well, you are basically saying that you can participate the campaign without doing any KYC. But if you want to get paid, you need to do KYC. Lol

this is different from past campaigns i have seen...

I totally agree with you ralle14. I can understand the relectunace to add 1xbit, but we have the red asterik exactly for that reason. The whole point of this topic has always been to link all Bitcoin paying campaigns. In the end, it's up to the person to decide if they want to join or not. Not listing them won't prevent users from finding them (especially not now, since people have mentioned them in this topic).

Thank you for bringing up the situation though, that is very much appreciated and should warn people (at least to some extend).

Update for the kardiachain campaign

Another suggestion is maybe @Mitchell can link this thread in the MAIN (1st post in overview of sig camps) so it won't be easier to miss?

1xbit knows we have limited tools and knowing that they are taking the advantages of it. When we are listing their campaign, then we are giving the users a false impression that this is a legit campaign (at least for long time I used to think that whatever we have in the list are controversy free and legit to join). We all know they are proven scammers. Let's not give them much exposure by listing them on this prestigious table.

* means scam accusations against the campaign. Participants could receive negative red trusts for promoting it.
* means that the campaign is currently having some trouble. Joining is not recommended.

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oh, just in time, by the way, since this topic is open here, I would like to discuss a little bit about 1xbit.com's campaign. What do you think about the people who participated in the promotion for 1xbit? At first I saw that they offered too high payout, I thought they would scam into not making payment. But apparently, 3 weeks on, it seems the payments are still being made. However, it is bad to advertise a scam platform, so do people who participate in advertising receive negative feedback?

There is a new campaign [OPEN]BETJA Signature Campaign | Hero/Legendary only ($50 Per Week) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5344729.0) and immediately the topic was closed. A strange situation, the manager wrote that it is possible to submit applications, but the topic is closed, and there is no explanation anywhere.

This is the first time I've seen this.  :-\

I remember seeing a situation in the past, I might confused it with another topic but I recall it was a signature campaign also and it was a mistake where OP forgot to unlock the topic. BetJA appears to be a new service but Little Mouse is running the campaign and holding the funds. Until now I don't see red flags at least for the campaign. I will send pm to Little Mouse to inform him about this.

There is a new campaign [OPEN]BETJA Signature Campaign | Hero/Legendary only ($50 Per Week) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5344729.0) and immediately the topic was closed. A strange situation, the manager wrote that it is possible to submit applications, but the topic is closed, and there is no explanation anywhere.

This is the first time I've seen this.  :-\

I had a quick chat with Little Mouse earlier, and he said they are updating the sig code design. So there are no red flag and sorts of things. It's very usual in my opinion.

A small advice @LittleMouse: Just create the thread in Archival (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=59.0) first and test everything there and then post it/move it to the appropriate section. Good luck with your bounty campaign!

Round 36 Payments have been sent out (https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/c009b518eac335d0825597d1f7761b401bcd0dcd91438d6ebbc3987b29eee3d2)!

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Thank you all for yet another great week, keep it up!

We have 1x Sr. Member position open, apply now!

Round 37 Payments have been sent out (https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/2135156cecbfa1bf41e03534307ac5fc38133a99a7ca5a8f7623fe92b5c50008)!

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Thank you all for yet another great week, keep it up!

No new positions have opened up.

As for the red tags, I noticed that everyone I saw under the auspices of 1xbit.com received their red tags even before applying for this campaign.

I remember there's a couple of users that received negative feedback for the first time after joining the campaign. And even if they're paying out for a long time they still need to clean their reputation.

It's also hard to judge who is wrong in this matter. But I remember very well, when people promote Yobit, all the promoters get negative trust, so in this case perhaps the same would apply, or not? I'm curious to see how the DTs will act  :D

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I feel quite doubtful about the word "almost", why not all people join that campaign? Basically 1xbit is a scam platform and the people promoting them are scammers so I think all participants should be tagged, instead of most, because without any exceptions. Even people who are not accepted should be tagged, I mean people who submit their application there (and worn the signature).

I said "almost" rather than "all", not because I am aware of someone or a part of them escaping from the negative trust but because I didn't check all participants there and whether they were tagged red or not.

You can create a topic, if there isn't already one, to report these people once you detect them wearing 1xbit signature..

I mean, it should be all, to be fair to everyone, right? if a person there is tagged, all other participants should also be tagged. It's just a personal opinion  :D
Personally I will never participate in any such war again, I myself am a person who bought an account and used it, therefore, I feel that I am not really qualified to file a complaint, report anyone else  :D I just want to discuss a bit with you here  :D

I mean, it should be all, to be fair to everyone, right? if a person there is tagged, all other participants should also be tagged. It's just a personal opinion  :D

Signature campaign name: Xive.io
Overview topic link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615953.msg57480573#msg57480573
Signature campaign link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5349727
Problem (title): "Cloud" mining service detected!
Problem (discussion):
Well I don't know if you have the same itching that I have when I see some cloud mining service popping up. I don't have a problem with the campaign itself since it is managed by yahoo which is a reputable member but with the lack of information I got trying to figure out details and reviews about the service. I didn't find also a topic here about it, if anyone could find it, you can share it with us. Basically you can buy a contract from many options provided, cheaper ones for less than 7 days are sold out and the others start from +$400 for 1-2 years.. Site created 3 years ago? Service is in Kazakhstan? Should it be trusted? Should members here support a cloud mining service and wear its signature? I am raising a red flag until I have a clearer vision of the situation..

You can also tag any person you see doing something wrong. The task is not necessarily meant for only DT members.  ;)

Well I don't know if you have the same itching that I have when I see some cloud mining service popping up.

Their website is about 3 years old. There are a lot of red flags on their website. They don't appear to have any presence on bitcointalk, but appear to occasionally market themselves here.

I posted in the sig campaign thread, asking yahoo about his due diligence, but he has yet to respond.

site:xive.io

site:xive.io refferal

Honestly, I almost feel that the feedback I can leave will be useless. Feedback from people like me only works when the user clicks on someone's profile and looks at all the responses. But it can't show the warning elsewhere, namely here. You might think I was wrong, but it's really what I feel.

Just wanted to confirm that this really exists? I don't think there are any cloud mining platforms that are practically profitable, as far as I know, all of them are just scams for newbies who don't have a lot of knowledge, am I wrong? And yes, I get really annoyed when I see some people talking about how they can make money through cloud mining. And with cloud mining being a scam, I believe this campaign should be countered  ???

Using criteria from ▁ ▂ ▄ ▅ ▆ Cloudmining 101 (ponzi risk assessment) ▆ ▅ ▄ ▂ ▁ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=878387.0), there are few red flags. But i would advice strong precaution.

1) No public mining address / no user selectable pool.
No?. Looks like you can choose any mining pool, but i can't verify it without buying/rent something.

2) No endorsement from any asic vendor
Yes.

3) No relevant pictures of their hardware and datacenter
Yes? There's no relevant image found using this keyword on Google/DDG image search.


4) Open ended IPO / fractional reverse mining risk
No, there's limit of available ASIC/contract.

8) Bonus point for "guaranteed profit"
No. All i can find is Bitcoin Mining Profitability Calculator.

Imagine the campaign was managed by a newbie or unknown manager, will it be listed? without a warning at least? Can we ensure campaign participants that they will not receive negative trust in the future?

I bet you can talk this concern on this thread instead here to avoid unnecessary discussions as per the local rules Re: [Discussion topic] Overview of Bitcointalk Signature-Ad Campaigns (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5343776.20)

My 2 cents ... I bet that FatFork's answer was more appropriate than yours, since his message is "on the topic" with the only difference that he added a small comment, while your rebuke is already creating a flood. So if you're really worried about the cleanliness of the thread, PM or up the discussion thread.  ;)

Discussion about campaigns are strictly forbidden (unless it's really relevant, which in 99% of the cases, it isn't).

My 2 cents ... I bet that FatFork's answer was more appropriate than yours, since his message is "on the topic" with the only difference that he added a small comment, while your rebuke is already creating a flood. So if you're really worried about the cleanliness of the thread, PM or up the discussion thread.  ;)

Now for 777 campaign, we all know how old it is and the structure of payments there. People joining there know well what they are doing so personally I will not criticise the campaign.

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You are wrong to call this campaign the worst paid. The forum has much lower pay per week than 777Coin.

I think it's good idea to open discussion topic and keep Overview thread for updates only.
About KYC to get payment from campaign - personally I would never joing signature campaign which would require KYC in order to get paid. But if some people are fine with such rules, then it's OK. I saw that some people are ready to sell their sensitive private data for much less money. But it's good to read kardiachain campaign decided to change rules for payment after getting negative opinion from community.

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It is not selling, it is called verification which anyone who have nothing to hide should do without having any problem regardless of online or offline work, you just saying this for the sake of it, tell me what is the difference between the kyc done online and offline? Your information is still in the hands of unknown people, besides people freely display their pic on Facebook and twitter which to me is more dangerous than some few information about name, age and address (this can be easily changed depending on your location)
You verify your identity all the time whenever you use any offline services, schools, hospitals, workplace etc, to me they appears same, but each to their opinion.

There is some confusion about the Stake.com Signature Campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5291820.160). The BM changed the Thread to [FULL], but it still says there are two available slots.


I guess the remaining slots were filled.

Yes this is right, it is not even a particularly high payout. Then why those poor risk their reputation in such a fraudster campaign? I can't think that they all don't know about 1xbit reputation or how to use the forum.
As anyone joining the campaign got tagged by just joining the campaign, the manager has no option but to accept those users. I don't know if he accepts users tagged from other accusations.
When i see some of them have no trade activity and their trust page is neutreul but for the negative feedback they received from joining 1xbit signature campaign, i can conclude how much ignorance plays important role for those poor users.
Do you really think it's worth adding to OP list of honest campaign ?

Do you really think it's worth adding to OP list of honest campaign ?

but their campaign isn't scam. Participants get paid for their posts. It's same like we had Yobit and some other services with bad reputation listed.
Users get red tag for joining campaign and I couldn't care less about it. Maybe they didn't knew about such penalty - but it's their fault. They have to make research before starting to advertise something.

Users get red tag for joining campaign and I couldn't care less about it. Maybe they didn't knew about such penalty - but it's their fault. They have to make research before starting to advertise something.

The main point is that the folks behind 1xbit are scammers, so they should not get any sort of publicity at all. Anyone who has been around knows how much of a scam the casino is. Let's not try pretending like the mods that turn blind eyes to scam threads regardless of how many times they are posted.

We can make the decision not to publish their campaigns. It's not like members are tied up by the no scam moderation policy like the forum mods and admins.

I can't get your point here. If scams are not moderated by the forum, why you accuse mods that they turn blind eye to topics promoting scams?  The only time i remember admins interfered was in Yobit signature campaign which had all participants had temporary signature ban but this was because The campaign set a strange rule of counting endless limit of posts and the campaign was paying per post basis; those who were banned had at least one report for one of the posts he mad while wearing Yobit campaign. I remember Yobit campaign hired manager Yahoo to run the campaign without any issues for all the users who joined it. Why it's not the same with 1xbit casino especially as the signature campaign isn't a scam itself ?

- write where you want (well, maybe with the reasonable exception of some sections, like off-topic, bounty section)
- total freedom for locals participants (some campaigns only accept English posts)
- no mandatory weekly quota for the minimum number of posts
- no mandatory posting in specific sections (as is often the case in gambling campaigns)
- the presence of both a full-fledged campaign (signature + avatar), and just an avatar campaign, recently there have already been 2 such campaigns, including yours, and this is a good option to attract additional good posters.

So guys.

Within 24 hours I will announce a campaign that will last four weeks in test mode, (rather large and on behalf of a fairly well-known brand). I would like to hear from you guys what, in your opinion, the conditions of the campaign should be in order for it to be ideal. Please be objective because we live in the real world.

I ask because if we can build easy and trusting relationships from the very beginning, then the action will last for a long time.

So guys.

Within 24 hours I will announce a campaign that will last four weeks in test mode, (rather large and on behalf of a fairly well-known brand). I would like to hear from you guys what, in your opinion, the conditions of the campaign should be in order for it to be ideal. Please be objective because we live in the real world.

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Actually, I make exceptions for such nuggets ... for example, for n0nce, when he was a full member, the designer created an individual signature.

Also, if you know names that I should look out for, feel free to post them here.

What's more, I'm currently reviewing other campaign spreadsheets and adding names to my draft to send out invitations. I don't think there are many managers on the forum who care so much about the prestige of the campaign.

Within 24 hours I will announce a campaign that will last four weeks in test mode, (rather large and on behalf of a fairly well-known brand). I would like to hear from you guys what, in your opinion, the conditions of the campaign should be in order for it to be ideal. Please be objective because we live in the real world.

So guys.

Within 24 hours I will announce a campaign that will last four weeks in test mode, (rather large and on behalf of a fairly well-known brand). I would like to hear from you guys what, in your opinion, the conditions of the campaign should be in order for it to be ideal. Please be objective because we live in the real world.

I ask because if we can build easy and trusting relationships from the very beginning, then the action will last for a long time.

I otherwise think bonuses for most merited participants would be an interesting dynamic, rather than those who max out the campaign getting paid the most, in order to encourage quality of posting not just quantity.

Good campaigns should be longer term, and I would accept lower payment if manager can guarantee that campaign will be active for few months.

Relying on most merited alone can get boring and sometimes unfair.

We do have users here who could just make a few lines or a meme in the Bitcoin wall observer thread, and that would be enough for them to earn 20-30 merits per week, while someone who made constructive posts in other threads could get just 10 merits or even none.

Relying on most merited alone can get boring and sometimes unfair.

That's not what I was suggesting. I was suggesting a bonus for most merited participants. This could be a user who only posted 10-20 times in a week, and even with a bonus would be rewarded less than a participant who made 50 posts per week. So it wouldn't be relying on most merited to be rewarded the most what so ever, it would be equally rewarding quality not just quantity.

Looks like the bear market has reached the signature campaigns as well.  :-[

Then why?
Fewer new campaigns coming up, or less forum activity?

Looks like the bear market has reached the signature campaigns as well.  :-[

Guys I have a question... is 1 mBTC a normal offer for renting an avatar?

Let's say it's a long-term partnership. Now it's only $21 but when Bitcoin returns to its previous rate, rent will cost $40-50 per week.

Guys I have a question... is 1 mBTC a normal offer for renting an avatar?

Guys I have a question... is 1 mBTC a normal offer for renting an avatar?

Let's say it's a long-term partnership. Now it's only $21 but when Bitcoin returns to its previous rate, rent will cost $40-50 per week.

Guys I have a question... is 1 mBTC a normal offer for renting an avatar?

Let's say it's a long-term partnership. Now it's only $21 but when Bitcoin returns to its previous rate, rent will cost $40-50 per week.

Looks like the bear market has reached the signature campaigns as well.  :-[

Guys I have a question... is 1 mBTC a normal offer for renting an avatar?

Let's say it's a long-term partnership.

Guys I have a question... is 1 mBTC a normal offer for renting an avatar?

Let's say it's a long-term partnership. Now it's only $21 but when Bitcoin returns to its previous rate, rent will cost $40-50 per week.

Let's say it's a long-term partnership. Now it's only $21 but when Bitcoin returns to its previous rate, rent will cost $40-50 per week.

Yes, 1 mBTC per week without any obligation.

Guys I have a question... is 1 mBTC a normal offer for renting an avatar?

Let's say it's a long-term partnership. Now it's only $21 but when Bitcoin returns to its previous rate, rent will cost $40-50 per week.

I think that gold bitcoin standard for renting avatars is Foxpup's Merit Cycling Club, but you can't get into this club unless you are really intimate with LoyceV and you need make a blood sacrifice :D

Guys I have a question... is 1 mBTC a normal offer for renting an avatar?

Let's say it's a long-term partnership. Now it's only $21 but when Bitcoin returns to its previous rate, rent will cost $40-50 per week.

Hey! Fun fact... 63 forum users think that Hhampuz continues the dynasty of managers.  :D

What's the current consensus on participants applying for spots in multiple campaigns at the same time?

From the managers' perspective - it's probably a major inconvenience if accepted participants are actually not interested as they went with a different campaign

What's the current consensus on participants applying for spots in multiple campaigns at the same time?

Is it frowned upon or acceptable?

I could argue both ways:
From the managers' perspective - it's probably a major inconvenience if accepted participants are actually not interested as they went with a different campaign.
From the participants' perspective - applying for one at a time could mean available spots in other campaigns can run out while they're patiently waiting for a response from campaign manager (which can take ages, or they could not respond at all) - which also doesn't sound very fair.

Thoughts?

What's the current consensus on participants applying for spots in multiple campaigns at the same time?

Is it frowned upon or acceptable?

What's the current consensus on participants applying for spots in multiple campaigns at the same time?

Is it frowned upon or acceptable?

I could argue both ways:
From the managers' perspective - it's probably a major inconvenience if accepted participants are actually not interested as they went with a different campaign.
From the participants' perspective - applying for one at a time could mean available spots in other campaigns can run out while they're patiently waiting for a response from campaign manager (which can take ages, or they could not respond at all) - which also doesn't sound very fair.

Thoughts?

What's the current consensus on participants applying for spots in multiple campaigns at the same time?

Is it frowned upon or acceptable?

I could argue both ways:
From the managers' perspective - it's probably a major inconvenience if accepted participants are actually not interested as they went with a different campaign.
From the participants' perspective - applying for one at a time could mean available spots in other campaigns can run out while they're patiently waiting for a response from campaign manager (which can take ages, or they could not respond at all) - which also doesn't sound very fair.

Thoughts?

It's probably would be best if managers themselves would tell what's their stance on it. We can only speculate. Personally, I think it's not big deal. It's inconvenience for managers if users who applied to that campaign got accepted into another. But probably not the major one.
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I agree, if it's a major problem for campaign manager, they could just add an extra rule in the campaign post. But I vaguely remember from the past that some managers would auto-disqualify applicants who applied for other campaigns simultaneously. I was away from this forum for a few years so just wanted to check if there are some unwritten rules nowadays.

If they did, I don't think it was fair!
A user, when applying for another campaign, is just trying to get a better appreciation of his work. This does not mean that he wants to stop working on the current campaign, just that he wants to improve his conditions.

If a campaign manager starts to see that many of his current users are signing up for other campaigns, this is a sign that his campaign is no longer competitive with others in the market. Then, he should evaluate this with the sponsor and see what can be done to insure users.

What's the current consensus on participants applying for spots in multiple campaigns at the same time?

Is it frowned upon or acceptable?
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Thoughts?

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It's fine. Happened to me a lot of times especially when a new campaign with better rates pops up, participants tends to jump in immediately to those new campaigns.
What's annoying would be not informing the bounty manager about it.
If you are moving to another signature campaign or wants to revoke your own application/reserved slot, do inform your bounty manager. Best to do that through private message here on Bitcointalk, don't do it anywhere else like on Telegram, discord. That'll help the manager to properly make changes on his campaign.
Yes, it is a bit of an inconvenience especially for signature campaigns with limited number of slots but then again, it's understandable.

But that kind of brings up another question should participants get paid if they completed the campaign period (usually a week) and met all the posting requirements, but switched campaigns and changed their signature before the payment date? I would say so, provided they can somehow prove that they wore the signature till the end of the period.

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But that kind of brings up another question should participants get paid if they completed the campaign period (usually a week) and met all the posting requirements, but switched campaigns and changed their signature before the payment date? I would say so, provided they can somehow prove that they wore the signature till the end of the period.

As ChipMixer has been seized, the campaign is now ended. Outstanding payments will be made later this week.

I just found out that CM has been seized, and that consequently, the campaign has ended. I guess some of you may not have heard about it yet, so I bumped this thread which I think is the appropriate one to comment on.

I just found out that CM has been seized, and that consequently, the campaign has ended. I guess some of you may not have heard about it yet, so I bumped this thread which I think is the appropriate one to comment on.

ChipMixer.com has been seized. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5445014.0)

It's really unfortunate to see Chipmixer campaign was ended, I think almost user in this forum have a dream to become a Chipmixer participant. However we've already see few mixer services got seized in the past, but now it's Chipmixer turn. But I will not be surprised if we will see a new mixer comes up sooner or later, it's might created by the same owner of Chipmixer.

However it's a good time for the other campaign to add Hero/Legendary rank slots because all of Chipmixer participants are high quality posters.

However it's a good time for the other campaign to add Hero/Legendary rank slots because all of Chipmixer participants are high quality posters.

The only thing is, I don't know how many participants represent Stake campaign.

55 participants. ChipMixer was in 3rd place in terms of the number of slots, only the Roobet campaign (60 participants) and Duelbits campaign (112 participants) are larger. The only thing is, I don't know how many participants represent Stake campaign.

R.I.P. ChipMixer

What a bummer. They had probably the most prestigious signature campaign in the history of this forum.
But there's no mention of operators getting arrested, so who knows, maybe we'll see a ChipMixer 2.0 at some point...

And probably most of active campaigns would like to see Chipmixer participants wearing their signatures. So, they would need to raise their budget a bit if they want some quality advertising.

SinBad and YoMix campaigns have increased their slots for some participants who have high post quality, currently Royse777 has selected some participants from Chipmixer campaigns.

It is possible that other campaigns will also add a bigger slot with the budget provided.

Increasing budgets maybe in terms of increasing number of slots, but increasing pay rates because new members from a previous campaign are available? I doubt. I don't think they can do that. In fact, some members have already been taken up with the current rates.

Livecasino.io are also considering a possibility of reshuffling the campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5401996.msg61924998#msg61924998) and probably adding some more extra spots

Coinomize is happy to welcome all Chipmixer customers :)

You can use this thread: EVOLUTION OF SIGNATURE AD CAMPAIGNS (BEGINNING DAYS TO THE PRESENT) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5246103.0)

The data is presented there until August 17, 2020, the rest, alas, you will have to look for yourself among a bunch of topics in the section Services (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=52.0). I don't know how long it can take to analyze such data, but I don't think it's worth spending time on it. In any case, one thing is clear: the coolest campaign in terms of payouts was ChipMixer, and the longest campaign in the history of the forum is Crypto.Games (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1082477.0)

Not surprisingly, a large and well-known player has left the mixer market, and now many are striving to occupy a promising niche. So far, it's too early to talk about the contender for the title of the new Chipmixer. I wish at least one of these mixers replicated the duration of at least a Blender campaign.

By the way, against the backdrop of good conditions and payment for the new whirlwind.money mixer, there were suggestions that this was just a chipmixer restarted under a new name. :D

It's really crazy how we're seeing a lot new mixers run a signature campaigns after Chipmixer was been seized by SEC, we currently have: Coinomize, Sinbad, YoMix, Whirlwind, and MixTum. The longest mixer campaign is Sinbad since they're ran since November, 2022. Do you think there's will be a new mixer campaign comes up? maybe the longest mixer which run signature campaign can be the next Chipmixer ;)

Yes, there have been many campaigns for mixers in the forum. It seems as if there is a crazy race to win the first place. I do not know if this is a good thing for the forum or not.

According to what I read in one of the posts, Forum administration asked the staff team not to participate in the signature campaigns of the mixers. Perhaps there was a fear from the administration that there would be some kind of legal responsibility.

can you share here I just want to know in which post that staff should not participate in mixer campaigns.

We (staff) were asked to stop advertising mixing services.

Now I wonder, if the staff aren't allowed to advertise such kind of services, then it is highly likely that we as forum members will eventually become restricted as well. It's just a matter of time where other mixing services will start to withdraw one-by-one  :-\.

Now I wonder, if the staff aren't allowed to advertise such kind of services, then it is highly likely that we as forum members will eventually become restricted as well. It's just a matter of time where other mixing services will start to withdraw one-by-one  :-\.

Was it from theymos statement that as administration? But I see he didn't say that, can you share here I just want to know in which post that staff should not participate in mixer campaigns.

We (staff) were asked to stop advertising mixing services.

Not until theymos publicly announce it. Until using mixers is declared as illegal by the authorities. Since its on the forum rules, of promoting illegal is not allowed then it will not be allowed.

Makes sense but the question still stands: why would he ban forum staff from advertising mixing services? Obviously there must have been some legal concerns, so the question is, if those concerns are not applicable to the forum users as well.
It's possible that he was just overly cautious and that there may be some legal grey areas. My guess would be that staff can be seen as official representatives of the forum, so anything endorsed by them could be seen as officially supported by the forum (and its owner).

My guess would be that staff can be seen as official representatives of the forum, so anything endorsed by them could be seen as officially supported by the forum (and its owner).

Theymos could be just very cautious for bitcointalk not getting directly linked and direct way promoting mixers, since staffs are directly paid by theymos — from forum funds far from getting message from a legal bodies.

YoMix and Sinbad just bumped up their weekly pay to up to $205 and $350 respectively, just as we thought that whirlwind.money was going to be the highest paying sign campaign at $150. There was a huge exodus of applicants from Yomix and sinbad to whirlwind just a few days ago, I wonder if we will soon see the prodigal sons and daughters return :D

It looks like the race to be which mixer replaces chipmixer's top spot is still very much on

I think it's an April Fool joke.

Time will tell, we are just a few hours away, but I personally don't think it's an April Fool's day Joke

Why would the CM who is currently managing the two signature campaigns risk completely destroying the trust he is trying to rebuild, especially after a few past rough months just for a joke?
I don't see any reason

https://i.ibb.co/bQzqK4n/Fooled.png
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434037.msg62016010#msg62016010

Another nice April Fool party :-P

We are back to the regular mode :-)

I do not expect it to be just an April joke, there are large numbers of applications already submitted and applications are still in progress, so this is unlikely.

I suspect the mixer campaigns on the forum are trying very hard to fill the void left by Chipmixer, and things seem to be going very well for Sinbad so far to fill the void. It seemed clear from the start that they entered with full force and continued.

Good game lmao. I think most people we're at least wondering if they were true or not lol. Some people who were leaning towards april fools also applied. In conclusion, nice marketing strategy lololol.

Everyone has fallen in love with this prank game on april fools maybe some thought it was real but when you think about it it was an april fools so their skepticism disappeared a bit after seeing the tempting payment,

I don't know how you see how the movement by Mix Turn campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615953.msg62658538#msg62658538). They are offering the same pay per post as CM did, with the difference that it pays for a maximum of 35 posts per week instead of 50 that CM paid. This makes it in fact the highest paying campaign.

I see that the competition is still open to fill the void left by CM's exit from the market. All mixers so far have not been able to fill the CM void, so I see that the competition will continue by raising campaign wages in the first place.

I expected whirlwind.money or Sinbad.io to be in the lead, but today I was surprised when Mix Turn tried to pull the rug out from under the mixers by increasing the pay per post and also increasing the maximum number of posts per week.

From the thread I see that most of the good posters have applied to reserve seats on the Mix Turn so now the rest of the mixers will have to either increase the pay or increase the maximum number of posts to try to cover the shortfall that will happen.

A slight correction MixTum is not Mix Turn

New signature campaign managed by the great icopress:
CoinRoyale - Bitcoin Casino | Sig Campaign | Up to 0.0025 BTC/W looking for Sr/Hero/Legendary members.
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Link to signature thread : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5465743.0

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New signature campaign managed by the great Little Mouse:
COINS.GAME | Most Rewarding Crypto Casino | Signature Campaign Up to $100 looking for 15 forum members.
-snip-
Link to signature thread : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5465782.

Anyway, it looks like Bitcointalk is still a great place to run ad campaign. Based on this discussion currently there's 32 active signature campaign paying bitcoins (if I'm not mistaken). I can't imagine there are many online gambling casino companies doing this sort of thing. Hopefully, this will last for a long period of time just like many others.

There are 28 active ones as per the Overview thread.
Are you guys aware of any other forum in the world that would have similar campaigns?
It's pretty crazy to think that there are people from poor countries making their living just by posting on bitcointalk. The highest-paid campaign currently pays $6/post, which converts to around $910/month. Not enough to survive in "the West" but there are plenty of countries you could live a comfy life with that kind of money.

Guys, since you're talking about signing campaigns, I would like to know what conditions are most acceptable for campaign participants? We would like to launch a campaign, but we are still thinking about which manager to choose and what campaign conditions will be most suitable for participants.

Guys, since you're talking about signing campaigns, I would like to know what conditions are most acceptable for campaign participants? We would like to launch a campaign, but we are still thinking about which manager to choose and what campaign conditions will be most suitable for participants.

I'm currently participating in a campaign managed by julers12 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=950662), very solid and trusted guy who can provide all-round services including signature/avatar designs. His service advertisement topic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2522224

Guys, since you're talking about signing campaigns, I would like to know what conditions are most acceptable for campaign participants? We would like to launch a campaign, but we are still thinking about which manager to choose and what campaign conditions will be most suitable for participants.

Thank you. As far as I can tell this person is careless with money, so we'd rather choose someone else.

Royse777, icopress and Hhampuz are all good managers and they are most active at the moment.
If you ask me what terms and conditions I would like to see in campaign, than I can say that I like to have freedom to write as I usually do, without limitations for minimum and/or maximum number of posts.
Long term campaign with reasonbale amount of escrowed funds would probably attract more quality members, but you can always offer members individual deals without involving third party ;)

I don't think you should base only on the opinion of the campaign participants. There are only a few rules for them. Number of posts they can/should write, payment rate and limitation in which boards it is desirable to be present or not. The Signature campaign serves the owner in building and promoting the business, and the brand and adapts to it.
It is best to contact one of the managers (why not more of them) and ask for specific suggestions based on their experiences. I noticed that Royse777 and icopress do some kind of analytics and monitor the final effect of the campaigns, so I believe they already have some conclusions about it.

The first guy you mentioned we probably won't connect with as he has negative feedback

Thank you for your advice. The first guy you mentioned we probably won't connect with as he has negative feedback and we don't like that in the campaign thread he also advertises his services. We spoke with the second one recently and he advised us to follow the trends of the forum, including current rates that will allow us to attract high-quality posters, so we will probably go with him.

What are your thoughts about this campaign in the long run?

Bitvest and 777coin signature campaign is one of the oldest campaigns. I have been a part of this campaign back in my early forum days. They used to pay this little amount at that time too. Well, $40 max pay for Legendary seems low though. If I'm correct, I used to get around $35 for 60 posts per week back in 2019/20.

Bitvest Plinko Signature Campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5470622.0;all) is now open again. The campaign is paying very little, even before its reopening, with no limit on the number of campaign participants. Member rank to Legendary can join. You can also post a maximum of 60 local posts since local posts are counted. However, even if you post the maximum of 60 your earnings will still be lower compared to other campaigns.

As of now, 2400 satoshis are only worth $0.68 according to CoinMarketCap (https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/satoshi/sats/usd/), which means a Legendary rank can only earn $40 per week. In my opinion, it's a bargain signature campaign.

What are your thoughts about this campaign in the long run? For sure, local boards will become active again.

Bitvest Plinko Signature Campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5470622.0;all) is now open again.

Maybe they will plan for the long term again, so it's good that Bitvest is back active on the forum after being off for a long time.

Bitvest Escrow Address: bc1q00pyv4twqzj88525e2pfypf4m4d9kmpkgyqpje
Current balance: https://bitcoindata.science/api/addressbalance.php?address=bc1q00pyv4twqzj88525e2pfypf4m4d9kmpkgyqpje

What are your thoughts about this campaign in the long run? For sure, local boards will become active again.

Bitvest and 777coin signature campaign is one of the oldest campaigns. I have been a part of this campaign back in my early forum days. They used to pay this little amount at that time too. Well, $40 max pay for Legendary seems low though. If I'm correct, I used to get around $35 for 60 posts per week back in 2019/20.

What are your thoughts about this campaign in the long run? For sure, local boards will become active again.

Oh, I just realized that I haven't saw their signatures for a while and that their previous campaign was closed. I agree with others that they barely can attract good posters with such low payment rates. Especially if you're in their lower tier. But where did you get that you can earn up to $40 week? I see that in tier A they pay 3500 Satoshi per post, it's almot $1 and if you will make 60 posts, you can earn $60.

Bump.

There's a sad news in Roobet campaign where they shrink their participants from 36 users to 10 users (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5233355.msg63152989#msg63152989), previously they removed 23 participants (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5233355.msg62896859#msg62896859), so it means they've remove 49 users.

Is Roobet lost their active gamblers? so they don't make a lot money than it was and resulting reduction in signature campaign? or they just want to try other marketing strategy?

There's still a big traffic in their social medias and they still launch art contest for almost every month too.

Bump.

There's a sad news in Roobet campaign where they shrink their participants from 36 users to 10 users (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5233355.msg63152989#msg63152989), previously they removed 23 participants (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5233355.msg62896859#msg62896859), so it means they've remove 49 users.

Is Roobet lost their active gamblers? so they don't make a lot money than it was and resulting reduction in signature campaign? or they just want to try other marketing strategy?

There's still a big traffic in their social medias and they still launch art contest for almost every month too.

I don't think so, there are still quite a lot of active gamblers on Roobet, maybe there is another reason why they reduced the budget to 10x Hero/Legendary which means their budget for campaigns is $700 per week.

My assumption is that Roobet's management might evaluate forum marketing or try other marketing it is still very possible, but believe that Roobet will not leave completely from the forum despite its reputation and large casino.

I don't think so, there are still quite a lot of active gamblers on Roobet, maybe there is another reason why they reduced the budget to 10x Hero/Legendary which means their budget for campaigns is $700 per week.

My assumption is that Roobet's management might evaluate forum marketing or try other marketing it is still very possible, but believe that Roobet will not leave completely from the forum despite its reputation and large casino.

I wish we had more diverse industries advertising via signatures, which is currently dominated by casinos/mixers and maybe some exchanges.

Is Roobet lost their active gamblers? so they don't make a lot money than it was and resulting reduction in signature campaign? or they just want to try other marketing strategy?

There's still a big traffic in their social medias and they still launch art contest for almost every month too.

It's simple, they achieved a certain goal that they planned through the signature campaign. Now they will maintain their presence with something smaller.
We have seen it before with some other casinos like Bitsler, Crypto-games etc... After the initial aggressive campaign and strengthening of the brand, a smaller number of users is enough to maintain their presence on the forum.

Is Roobet lost their active gamblers? so they don't make a lot money than it was and resulting reduction in signature campaign? or they just want to try other marketing strategy?

There's still a big traffic in their social medias and they still launch art contest for almost every month too.

Unfortunately the owner has had poor results from the campaign and has decided to end it early. All posts made up to this point will be paid.

Another great signature campaign is up: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5475372.60

Lets discuss. I think this is the best signature campaign right now here in BitcoinTalk for senior ranks member. Imagine you only need to post 20 post to qualify for the payment for 65$ per week 3.25$ per constructive post. I'm planning to participate but it doubted it will last longer compared to my current campaign. Your thoughts please .

Yeah the duration of the campaign is still questionable, I curious why they didn't open for new slots in the old campaign where I participated. There must be a reason, I hope the old campaign will not be paused lol.

Another great signature campaign is up: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5475372.60

Lets discuss. I think this is the best signature campaign right now here in BitcoinTalk for senior ranks member. Imagine you only need to post 20 post to qualify for the payment for 65$ per week 3.25$ per constructive post. I'm planning to participate but it doubted it will last longer compared to my current campaign. Your thoughts please .

Another great signature campaign is up: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5475372.60

Lets discuss. I think this is the best signature campaign right now here in BitcoinTalk for senior ranks member. Imagine you only need to post 20 post to qualify for the payment for 65$ per week 3.25$ per constructive post. I'm planning to participate but it doubted it will last longer compared to my current campaign. Your thoughts please .

Yeah the duration of the campaign is still questionable, I curious why they didn't open for new slots in the old campaign where I participated. There must be a reason, I hope the old campaign will not be paused lol.

The problem is when the campaign become long term, the competition to join turns really high than present.

Another great signature campaign is up: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5475372.60

Lets discuss. I think this is the best signature campaign right now here in BitcoinTalk for senior ranks member. Imagine you only need to post 20 post to qualify for the payment for 65$ per week 3.25$ per constructive post. I'm planning to participate but it doubted it will last longer compared to my current campaign. Your thoughts please .

The new campaign is more like a promotional/seasonal campaign for a new product introduced by the service. Such campaigns usually don't last long. I think I have seen this happen before with FortuneJack signature campaigns.

The old campaign will stay on unless otherwise.

These are a really good rates and this is currently the highest paid campaign out there. You could probably make a living out of it in many developing countries.
They're clearly aiming for the top quality posters with minimum 50 merits in the last 120 days requirement. I wonder if they'll keep the payments high permanently, or is it just to lure quality posters in.
I'm staying where I am, as I like the stability of my campaign, but it's good to see new campaigns coming in and payments going up.

For now, perhaps the $7 payrate is the highest. However, if calculated per week, the tumbler campaign only pays $175 per week. The sinbad sig campaign promises bigger payouts with a maximum payout of $225 per week, and the highest weekly payout is held by mixero with a maximum weekly payout of $250

For now, perhaps the $7 payrate is the highest. However, if calculated per week, the tumbler campaign only pays $175 per week. The sinbad sig campaign promises bigger payouts with a maximum payout of $225 per week, and the highest weekly payout is held by mixero with a maximum weekly payout of $250

If you look at the required post count and the payment rates for the traditional ranks (no merit ranks) then the Tumber.io pay rates are the real deal for someone who doesn't post much. I don't know how long the campaign will last, but most people obviously prefer longevity of the campaign vs. very high pay rates that could just last for a month.

Yes you're right. Their payrate is the highest for regular participants. If we look at the funds they have, perhaps the tumbler is planning to carry out promotions on a large scale, considering the high cost of their review campaign and they have also sent campaign signature funds to CM in the large amount (0.5 btc). I suspect their campaign will be long term, that's just an assumption. We'll see later

Indeed, Tumbler has the highest pay rate at the moment for regular posts but they are limited to 25 posts/week, in contrast to some other mixer campaigns even though they are below Tumbler the rate of pay per post is that they have a larger weekly post quota so participants can earn more. from $200+

Mixero upto $250
Sinbad upto $225
Yomix upto $200

Currently, the campaign managed by Royse777 has the highest payout.

Indeed, Tumbler has the highest pay rate at the moment for regular posts but they are limited to 25 posts/week, in contrast to some other mixer campaigns even though they are below Tumbler the rate of pay per post is that they have a larger weekly post quota so participants can earn more. from $200+

Mixero upto $250
Sinbad upto $225
Yomix upto $200

There's also MixTum (managed by Icopress) with the max payout of $210/week. So I believe we only have those 4 campaigns with max payment of $200 or above.
Still, I'd say that's pretty good.

I wish someone compiled the old data and made a chart of how the median campaign payment changed over time. If I'm not mistaken, we had pretty significant growth in USD terms over the last few years.

And do we have a list of campaigns that have already taken place?
It's just that scanning hundreds of pages with topics, looking for campaign topics since 2014 (or something like that), is very complicated.

There is a list of campaigns that have been carried out by @romero121. He has made a long list of campaigns that paid for BTC, but unfortunately that thread was last active in 2020, meaning it hasn't been updated for almost 3 years.

EVOLUTION OF SIGNATURE AD CAMPAIGNS (BEGINNING DAYS TO THE PRESENT) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5246103.0)

Would be very happy if this thread was updated again by the author.

Massive thanks. I completely forgot about that thread despite having it in watched.
This is good enough to get the historical data, as the "Overview" thread is missing a few years from 2014 to 2017. And, for the purpose of analysing earnings over time, we don't necessarily need data for every single campaign, just a sample of a few campaigns for, say, each quarter, would do the trick.

I'll try getting to it when I have more free time.

This topic makes things more interesting for an analysis of this type, without a doubt.

For analysis, we face yet another problem: the method of calculation for payment.
In the beginning, the calculation was mostly done in BTC, and in recent years the majority has been done in $ and occasionally some campaigns in BTC. Since the price of BTC has varied significantly since 2013, this makes the calculation more complicated. I believe that to build a more adequate analysis, the analysis should be divided into two, one for payments in BTC and the other in USD.

Fair point.
I'd be interested in comparing earnings in the actual value, which is best expressed in USD terms (ideally adjusted for inflation). If I was to take the lazy way, I could just take the BTC/USD exchange rate at the moment the campaign was announced, although that approach could potentially distort the results (if there have been big fluctuations in the BTC price during the campaign). So the best approach would be to take a monthly/quarterly snapshots of all (or major) active campaigns at that time and the USD equivalent of the payouts.
Definitely doable, but quite time consuming.

I don't think comparing pay rates in BTC would be meaningful at all though, given the huge swings of its value over the years.

The case is serious and I am considering not to touch any funds that is in the escrow address right now unless I speak to a lawyer. This means no one is going to receive anymore payments unless I have a direction from the lawyer. It's for the safety of everyone.

Thoughts?

Another mixer down. Sinbad.io

According to news reports. they have been linked to North Korean group Lazarus: https://www.techradar.com/pro/sinbad-crypto-mixer-used-by-north-korean-lazarus-group-seized-by-us-government

Not only the campaign is closed but Royse777 is freaking out (and I don't blame him):
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5419242.msg63245716#msg63245716

Thoughts?

I don't know what's going on right now with Sinbad but I am not very surprised to see that coming. Mixers should take on consideration the risks of running such service and where to operate it.

Not wanting to deviate too much from the main topic of the OP.
Do you think that a mixing service that only works on clearnet is less exposed to these types of problems?

Bitmixer at that time was extremely popular and their earnings were incredibly high, yet the owners saw that they should stop before being tracked down.
I don't know what's going on right now with Sinbad but I am not very surprised to see that coming. Mixers should take on consideration the risks of running such service and where to operate it.

Hi all!
Despite the huge profit we earn, we are closing our activity. Let me explain why.

I'm bitcoin enthusiast since 2011. When we started this service I was convinced that any Bitcoin user has a natural right to privacy. I was totally wrong. Now I grasped that Bitcoin is transparent non-anonymous system by design. Blockchain is a great open book. I believe that Bitcoin will have a great future without dark market transactions. You may use Dash or Zerocoin if you want to buy some weed. Not Bitcoin.

I hope our decision will help to make Bitcoin ecosystem more clean and transparent. I hope our competitors will hear our message and will close their services too. Very soon this kind of activity will be considered as illegal in most of countries.

It was a really very hard decision. Especially it was hard to drop this business because of incredible high income. But we never had any government or legal pressure, it is only my own opinion. I really believe in clean transparent Bitcoin. I really happy that Bitcoin legalized as payment system and currency in many countries, I actually didn't believe in this in 2011.

The government pressure doesn't work like "Oh man please close your service!". No way. They just come and arrest you for illegal activity. We are the privacy experts, it is hard or impossible to find out our location and personality, our servers are located in the country where Bitcoin is not considered as a currency, etc, etc. I could sell the business for our competitors for $5-6M, but I will not do this. It is important that you understand my position. I really revised my view about Bitcoin as a transparent system. Bitcoin has no future with drug/weapon traffic or any other illegal activity. This is my point.

Don't worry, we didn't keep logs, we deleted all used wallets, our servers never been seized, we had very strong mixing algorithm. We never collaborated with feds. All our clients are protected. We did our work honesty as described.

About "I'm not a criminal. Why should I mix my coins? (https://bitmixer.io/why.html)". I really believed in this years ago. But look, in 2016 we mixed about 1M bitcoins. What do you think what part of this sum was non criminal? I don't know, we provided just a tool and didn't ask from what source coins coming. But I guess not all of them was clean. I really don't want to earn helping criminals. It is not only personal. Bitcoin couldn't be accepted by general public and governments if it is a crime tool. No, no, no. Fortunately last years appeared special anonymous cryptocurrencies for this purpose. But Bitcoin has another big aims. It is a finance revolution, but not a crime finance revolution.

I received a lot of questions by PM, let's clear the situation.

1. We are not under feds control, all our users are safe, all logs and old wallets deleted. We had incredible multiserver custom written Bitcoin software and outstanding mixing algorithm. It is impossible find out even the fact you used bitmixer (it is possible only by logs of your provider if you didn't use tor version). We didn't had linked wallets, traceable ip addresses etc. Don't worry about your past transactions.

2. We do not sell the domain name nor our software nor methods we used for mixing.

3. All I wrote is true. I've changed the view of this business and Bitcoin future. About question "is a knife good or bad tool?". If you sell knifes and you know that most of your clients are murders, will you stop your business? My pastor suggest me it is not a business I should continue. Sorry for that.

4. The message to other mixers. If even btc-e considered as money laundering service, what do you think about your business? Don't be innocent.

Very important message for our investors who still didn't take money. Please take your principal using your investor panel.

Thank you.

A cryptocurrency mixing service is not necessarily illegal.

About "I'm not a criminal. Why should I mix my coins? (https://bitmixer.io/why.html)". I really believed in this years ago. But look, in 2016 we mixed about 1M bitcoins. What do you think what part of this sum was non criminal?

Mixers are a very risky business model and I believe this isn't the first time such thing happens. Back in the time, 6 years ago tho, circa 2017, Bitmixer shut down voluntarily after other services being seized by US government. Bitmixer at that time was extremely popular and their earnings were incredibly high, yet the owners saw that they should stop before being tracked down.
I don't know what's going on right now with Sinbad but I am not very surprised to see that coming. Mixers should take on consideration the risks of running such service and where to operate it.

No I don't think so because for many governments these type of services are equal to money laundering, tax fraud and illegal activities even though they are operating in clearnet. It is hard to convince these politicians, who are by the way doing the same thing with offshore companies, that all mixers aren't the same.
Personally, I find these services as a good way to keep your privacy and your money from being tracked by curious people. Governments think otherwise since they fail to track them.

Bitcointalk.org is not a darknet site. Linking to illegal services is not allowed. As mentioned in the law-enforcement press release, "a cryptocurrency mixing service is not necessarily illegal." But a seized mixer is rather different from just any old mixer. Sinbad, if still operating, is now clearly a darknet site, and therefore not allowed on bitcointalk.org.

The OP is banned. This topic is archived. The onion address is wordfiltered, and bypassing the wordfilter will get you banned.

Good  morning :-D

Bitcointalk.org aims to allow about as much freedom as is reasonably possible. But this is not a darknet forum, and with mixers looking "grayer and grayer", it's no longer reasonably possible to allow linking to mixers. Even though "a cryptocurrency mixing service is not necessarily illegal," (https://www.fiod.nl/fiod-takes-large-crypto-currency-mixer-off-the-air/) a clear pattern has emerged where mixers pop up, last for a little while, and then get taken down by law enforcement once they get too big. Allowing mixers to be posted on bitcointalk.org before they seemingly-inevitably get declared illegal and seized is not sustainable. Therefore, linking to mixers will no longer be allowed, just the same as linking to darknet sites is already not allowed.

To avoid disruption, there will be a grace period: Nothing will change until Jan 1, 2024.

Starting Jan 1, 2024:
 - Existing mixer announcement topics (and a few topics that have no value without mixer-links) will be locked and archived.
 - Going forward, directing people to mixers in new posts/edits will be totally disallowed, and doing so could lead to a ban. Many mixer URLs will be wordfiltered-out, and if you bypass the wordfilter, then that'll definitely be ban-worthy.
 - Any remaining mixer signatures (etc.) may be deleted. Anyone persisting in advertising mixers will be banned.
 - In most cases, old posts will not be deleted. Nobody should be banned for old posts.

You do not need to go edit/delete your past posts. Links will be automatically wordfiltered-out as of Jan 1, or in a few cases mods will archive or delete posts, but you will not be banned for old mixer-related posts.

It will continue to be OK to discuss mixers in a general sort of way. Just don't direct people to mixers: don't link to a mixer, don't link to a directory with links to mixers, don't tell people to "Google ASDFmixer", don't link to a mixer's telegram, etc.

Definition of a mixer

For clarity, here is a detailed definition of what we mean by a "mixer". Most people know intuitively what a mixer is and don't have to read this.

Something is considered a mixer if it meets all of these requirements:
 1. It has a feature advertised for taking property, improving its privacy somehow, and then returning roughly the same type of property.
     a. Even though you can sometimes use non-mixers to mix coins by depositing and then withdrawing, this doesn't make it a mixer because this is an incidental use of the service; the service isn't advertised as privacy-enhancing.
     b. If a site is not primarily a mixer but has a mixer function, such as a mixer function on a gambling website, then the whole site is considered a mixer.
     c. If the site takes coins, gives you a possibly-transferrable IOU, and will convert this IOU back into mixed coins much later, then the temporary conversion into a different type of property does not prevent it from being considered a mixer.
     d. If the site internally converts your deposit into other things as part of its mixing, but ultimately the point of the product is to get your original type of property back, then that's a mixer, not an exchanger.
 2. It is possible for the mixer to steal property passing through it. Assume that the sender does everything as correctly as possible. Also assume that no miners/verifiers on the base-layer cryptocurrency are evil. But assume that every other actor involved is evil (everyone able to vote in a DAO, every coordination server, every counterparty, every member of a multisig, etc.). Ignore short-term software bugs which are expected to be quickly fixed.
 3. The service does not collect KYC-type info from all users.

Examples of things that are not banned mixers include exchangers (unless they have a mixing function), CoinJoin-supporting non-custodial wallets, and Monero.

This sucks big time. Signature campaigns will be effectively limited to casinos. And the less campaigns there are, the less activity on the forum, which makes it less attractive to advertisers. A down-spiral.
I think it's a bit of an overkill, but I understand there must be a pretty big risk for the admins.

This sucks big time. Signature campaigns will be effectively limited to casinos.

Examples of things that are not banned mixers include exchangers (unless they have a mixing function), CoinJoin-supporting non-custodial wallets, and Monero.

This sucks big time. Signature campaigns will be effectively limited to casinos. And the less campaigns there are, the less activity on the forum, which makes it less attractive to advertisers. A down-spiral.
I think it's a bit of an overkill, but I understand there must be a pretty big risk for the admins.

That means simultaneously there are 8 campaigns that will disappear from next January 1 and there will be no more advertisements about the mixer, I'm not sure a little forum activity will decrease even if they don't advertise it and I'm sure someday there will be campaigns that will come again, maybe after the mixer there is no more casino and it grows on the forum?

That means simultaneously there are 8 campaigns that will disappear from next January 1 and there will be no more advertisements about the mixer, I'm not sure a little forum activity will decrease even if they don't advertise it and I'm sure someday there will be campaigns that will come again, maybe after the mixer there is no more casino and it grows on the forum?

Even though the admin said there is no demand from any party about him having to take his decision even though it is hard, I think the best way is to take it. ;)

As far as mixer campaigns, I am sure some other kind of services will pop up to take their place.  Maybe well see more exchanges advertised on the forum, or who knows maybe some new type of service altogether.  I am hopeful we will continue to see all kinds of interesting things happening and some new services promoting on the forum.

I am thinking about a BTC to ETH or BTC to XMR type of Swap service with different features, since the mixer is no longer there then it is likely that the service will develop, but we never know what will happen in the future unless we believe there will be better growth and they can return to advertising on the forum to keep marketing here.

since "Mixers will no longer be allowed after Jan 1" 2024 according to theymos (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5476162.0), I think it would be better to remove these services from the table to avoid advertising them indirectly and forward Bitcointalkers or other people to them until the ban effect takes place.

On the plus side, as you posted in the coinomize signature thread, some mixer campaigns are starting moving to altcointalk, so it's not like they're gone forever. Hopefully the trend continues and all mixers would move there (together with the participants), creating more traffic and more competition, driving pay rates up.

I saw the thread on Altcointalks, their payrate is much lower than what was offered on bitcointalk. The top quality posters who were in such campaigns will think twice over going there to promote it unless the pay is compensated in some other form. I am sure the managers are doing well managing this and since I am not willing to add in another account to that forum, I will stay here and focus on the issues on this forum. :D

Not sure how some of the members can manage two forums at the same time. Kudos to those who can! ::)

I saw the thread on Altcointalks, their payrate is much lower than what was offered on bitcointalk. The top quality posters who were in such campaigns will think twice over going there to promote it unless the pay is compensated in some other form. I am sure the managers are doing well managing this and since I am not willing to add in another account to that forum, I will stay here and focus on the issues on this forum. :D

Not sure how some of the members can manage two forums at the same time. Kudos to those who can! ::)

Not only casinos. There are also exchanges that advertise on the forum, such as Best Change or eXch.cx, although they advertise much less than casinos.

Everything looks like a gentle introduction to KYC on the forum and limits it to only KYC services. Don't be surprised if you soon see a ban on advertising for NO-KYC exchanges, and even casinos.

Now we have an imminent ban of Mixer related signatures... What next?

I think crypto casinos are going to be banned next or paid signatures all together. This is a soft but progressive ban.

Mixer is always become a bad actor for government, that's why theymos want to ban mixer advertisement.

The only way for crypto casinos to be banned is when OFAC or SEC consider them as a threat, but I think it's only relate to smart contract casino where they don't ask KYC. For crypto casino which has KYC regulation, I believe they will be safe.

The forum lose it's stance against no KYC, so the next is relate to privacy.

Now we have an imminent ban of Mixer related signatures... What next?

I think crypto casinos are going to be banned next or paid signatures all together. This is a soft but progressive ban.

The only way for crypto casinos to be banned is when OFAC or SEC consider them as a threat, but I think it's only relate to smart contract casino where they don't ask KYC. For crypto casino which has KYC regulation, I believe they will be safe.

The forum lose it's stance against no KYC, so the next is relate to privacy.

I saw the thread on Altcointalks, their payrate is much lower than what was offered on bitcointalk. The top quality posters who were in such campaigns will think twice over going there to promote it unless the pay is compensated in some other form. I am sure the managers are doing well managing this and since I am not willing to add in another account to that forum, I will stay here and focus on the issues on this forum. :D

Not sure how some of the members can manage two forums at the same time. Kudos to those who can! ::)

I saw the thread on Altcointalks, their payrate is much lower than what was offered on bitcointalk. The top quality posters who were in such campaigns will think twice over going there to promote it unless the pay is compensated in some other form. I am sure the managers are doing well managing this and since I am not willing to add in another account to that forum, I will stay here and focus on the issues on this forum. :D

Not sure how some of the members can manage two forums at the same time. Kudos to those who can! ::)

I think crypto casinos are going to be banned next or paid signatures all together. This is a soft but progressive ban.

I don't anticipate the need for major new restrictions in the next couple of years, but it could indeed happen.

In the case of casinos I think it will depend: following the trajectory of the last few years, if they ask for KYC upon registration and collaborate passing data to the states that require it, which would surely imply having to change the current licenses of Caribbean countries for other more solid ones, I don't think there will be problems with them. But then they will have lost most of their attractiveness, and I don't think they will have so much to invest in advertising in the forum.

I think crypto casinos are going to be banned next or paid signatures all together. This is a soft but progressive ban.

Unless there's no huge changes in the gambling space like rampant/peak money laundering, another shitty level of KYC requirements needed. I guess it's good to say it won't happen anytime soon.

Think about this.

Online gambling, especially "unregulated" crypto casinos, are banned in so many jurisdictions already. All that needs to happen is Law enforcement turning on the heat on crypto casinos like they have done with exchanges and crypto mixers, and you will see how fast things happen here in the forum.

Think about this.

Online gambling, especially "unregulated" crypto casinos, are banned in so many jurisdictions already. All that needs to happen is Law enforcement turning on the heat on crypto casinos like they have done with exchanges and crypto mixers, and you will see how fast things happen here in the forum.

DDoS services along with signature campaigns and ANNs were banned in a snap (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5476162.msg63287304#msg63287304) a few days back.

About DDOS services, well, theymos should be strict to them in the very first place, because this forum is a victim of too many DDOS attack then accepting such services here is nonsense.

For theymos banning "unregulated" services here sooner or later will be a pain in the ass. When i say unregulated, it's not just about the exchanges and casino, it should be all of the services, virtual cards, online accounts, etc. will be affected and the censorship will be worst at that time.

In fact, governments are not even interested in casinos as long as they aren't used for money laundering - which is pretty much impossible since the majority of them use stringent KYC.

Right? I remember a thread regarding a casino asking street verification shit. That's a strict and shittiest KYC verification asking some player or you can say an excuse to confiscate their balance.

Online gambling, especially "unregulated" crypto casinos, are banned in so many jurisdictions already. All that needs to happen is Law enforcement turning on the heat on crypto casinos like they have done with exchanges and crypto mixers, and you will see how fast things happen here in the forum.

DDoS services along with signature campaigns and ANNs were banned in a snap (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5476162.msg63287304#msg63287304) a few days back.

That's because DDoS services were already being seized by federal governments, but who is seizing casinos? In fact, governments are not even interested in casinos as long as they aren't used for money laundering - which is pretty much impossible since the majority of them use stringent KYC.

Crypto casinos isn't just about KYC and KYC isn't that thing which makes them legitimate. Many of these casinos promoted on Bitcointalk isn't legal in different jurisdictions or goes into grey zone. Many countries just doesn't accept licenses issued in Curacao and other offshore countries.

A new signature campaign Joya.casino launched by a new campaign manager suzanne5223 for the first time,

..they said they are doing this for at least 3 months, and the campaign wallet will be topped up every week.

It's good to note that the funds are not escrowed by the manager or third party forum escrow (Or i'm wrong). Although it's claimed that the campaign will run for several months. The thing is with this setup, managers are tend to stop campaigns when the team stop communicating with a week debt for their participants because of the funds are not being held by them (or weekly topup) thus it make them look bad or compensating their participants out of their own pocket. Except if they will stop the campaign in advance if the escrow wallet doesn't have enough balance.
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While i can't see any note/disclaimer on the signature thread regarding this if the manager will compensate if the campaign stopped or not. Participants should be aware of this that they might not received any payments if this happens. Thus, managers should work always to get the funds escrowed for their participants.

10. No embedded NSFW images anywhere. NSFW content must be marked accordingly.

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That's the part of information a lot of managers seem to be neglecting and are potentially (unnecessarily) exposing themselves to a negative trust rating.

I'm not sure how the forum judge NSFW images, probably it's still fine since it just a lady that wear panties? not full naked or have a sex activity.

There's a new campaign comes up [OPEN] Ladies.de | Top Content from Real German Escorts | Sig Campaign | Sr.+ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5489143.0)

I never imagine that there would be this kind project want to be promoted in this forum and willing to pay with Bitcoin LOL, this is mind blowing.

I'm not sure how the forum judge NSFW images, probably it's still fine since it just a lady that wear panties? not full naked or have a sex activity.

I'm not sure how the forum judge NSFW images, probably it's still fine since it just a lady that wear panties? not full naked or have a sex activity.

bigbitmine and El Emperador's avatars are fine IMO.

It should be fine since Theymos gave an OK to bigbitmine's avatar which IMO is more suggestive, see: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=358121

I don't know if my memories recall something similar or confuse it with a project that I saw talk about it here years ago. Not sure, I have some flashback about Bitcointalk, theymos, reddit, nsfw, 2015-2016...then 2020-2021? a banned user presumably a lady that promoted something similar? If someone recall these or could fix it if I am mistaken?
Anyway, since these projects are legal in the country of origin and not against the forums rule, I suppose it will not be a problem, for the moment at least.

I see, even licking boobs is also fine. :P

https://i.postimg.cc/dV8zHDbD/vod.png

We have 10 avatar slots open - $1 per post / Payments for 35 week are on their way. ^{[Exchange rate: 66,350]}

Looks like avatar-only campaigns are back on the menu:


I don't think we've seen them in a long while (or maybe I was just unaware of that).
$1 per post sounds like pretty decent rate, given avatars do not even include clickable links and are more about building brand recognition than generating new sign ups.

Yes, I think it's first avatar campaign for very long time. In my early days here I remember there was more avatar campaigns, but can't say that it was big thing there.
$1 is great deal, probably you can't ask for something better, considering that's just image without clickable link. Not sure how many people will be interested in this offer, considering that most of campaigns already ask to wear their avatar.

Yes, I think it's first avatar campaign for very long time. In my early days here I remember there was more avatar campaigns, but can't say that it was big thing there.
$1 is great deal, probably you can't ask for something better, considering that's just image without clickable link.

Yes, I think it's first avatar campaign for very long time. In my early days here I remember there was more avatar campaigns, but can't say that it was big thing there.
$1 is great deal, probably you can't ask for something better, considering that's just image without clickable link. Not sure how many people will be interested in this offer, considering that most of campaigns already ask to wear their avatar.

In 2023, when mixer campaigns were at their peak, almost every mixer campaign had additional slots for avatar-only participants.
The campaigns of the manager who opened additional avatar slots are generally not exclusive to the mandatory use of an avatar, so in some cases, it is allowed to use a different avatar in relation to the signature.

We could potentially end up in a weird situation when people could be advertising two competing businesses simultaneously, in the avatar and signature.

I believe this is unlikely to happen. Campaign managers would evaluate this type of situation before approving a new user for their campaign. And even if it was accepted in both, the subscription campaign manager would most likely reevaluate keeping that user in the campaign.

Correct. If it doesn't pay in bitcoin it belongs elsewhere just like if threads don't pay in some sort of crypto at all threads are trashed.

Any thoughts on that?

I understand the logic, but I wouldn't be surprised if other major campaigns also decided to switch to stablecoins (due to the unpredictability of BTC fees), in which case, either Mitchell would have to change the policy for his Overview thread,

or we could need a new summary (perhaps in the Altcoins section) that includes all types of campaigns.

I understand the logic, but I wouldn't be surprised if other major campaigns also decided to switch to stablecoins (due to the unpredictability of BTC fees)

in which case, either Mitchell would have to change the policy for his Overview thread, or we could need a new summary (perhaps in the Altcoins section) that includes all types of campaigns.

Any thoughts on that?
I understand the logic, but I wouldn't be surprised if other major campaigns also decided to switch to stablecoins (due to the unpredictability of BTC fees), in which case, either Mitchell would have to change the policy for his Overview thread, or we could need a new summary (perhaps in the Altcoins section) that includes all types of campaigns.