📝[Discussion topic] Overview of Bitcointalk Signature-Ad Campaigns📝

[ChuckBuck]

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I feel quite doubtful about the word "almost", why not all people join that campaign? Basically 1xbit is a scam platform and the people promoting them are scammers so I think all participants should be tagged, instead of most, because without any exceptions. Even people who are not accepted should be tagged, I mean people who submit their application there (and worn the signature).

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[snipie]

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I feel quite doubtful about the word "almost", why not all people join that campaign? Basically 1xbit is a scam platform and the people promoting them are scammers so I think all participants should be tagged, instead of most, because without any exceptions. Even people who are not accepted should be tagged, I mean people who submit their application there (and worn the signature).

I said "almost" rather than "all", not because I am aware of someone or a part of them escaping from the negative trust but because I didn't check all participants there and whether they were tagged red or not.
You can create a topic, if there isn't already one, to report these people once you detect them wearing 1xbit signature..

[ChuckBuck]

I said "almost" rather than "all", not because I am aware of someone or a part of them escaping from the negative trust but because I didn't check all participants there and whether they were tagged red or not.

I mean, it should be all, to be fair to everyone, right? if a person there is tagged, all other participants should also be tagged. It's just a personal opinion 

You can create a topic, if there isn't already one, to report these people once you detect them wearing 1xbit signature..

Personally I will never participate in any such war again, I myself am a person who bought an account and used it, therefore, I feel that I am not really qualified to file a complaint, report anyone else  I just want to discuss a bit with you here 

[snipie]

I said "almost" rather than "all", not because I am aware of someone or a part of them escaping from the negative trust but because I didn't check all participants there and whether they were tagged red or not.

I mean, it should be all, to be fair to everyone, right? if a person there is tagged, all other participants should also be tagged. It's just a personal opinion 

You can create a topic, if there isn't already one, to report these people once you detect them wearing 1xbit signature..

Personally I will never participate in any such war again, I myself am a person who bought an account and used it, therefore, I feel that I am not really qualified to file a complaint, report anyone else  I just want to discuss a bit with you here 

Got it
Personally, if I find someone wearing 1xbit without having a negative trust, I will ask DT members who tagged the other participants to treat him like them, or else to remove his negative trust from all of them. So far, this didn't occur

[snipie]

Signature campaign name: Xive.io
Overview topic link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615953.msg57480573#msg57480573
Signature campaign link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5349727
Problem (title): "Cloud" mining service detected!
Problem (discussion):
Well I don't know if you have the same itching that I have when I see some cloud mining service popping up. I don't have a problem with the campaign itself since it is managed by yahoo which is a reputable member but with the lack of information I got trying to figure out details and reviews about the service. I didn't find also a topic here about it, if anyone could find it, you can share it with us. Basically you can buy a contract from many options provided, cheaper ones for less than 7 days are sold out and the others start from +$400 for 1-2 years.. Site created 3 years ago? Service is in Kazakhstan? Should it be trusted? Should members here support a cloud mining service and wear its signature? I am raising a red flag until I have a clearer vision of the situation..

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I mean, it should be all, to be fair to everyone, right? if a person there is tagged, all other participants should also be tagged. It's just a personal opinion  

If you see anyone who's advertising a 1xbit signature and has not yet been tagged by me. You can just post the username in one of the threads talking about the 1xbit scam in reputations board. I will surely see it. You can also alert me via PM.

JollyGood has so far tagged anyone who wanted to advertise them, whether accepted or not. I was a little lenient by only tagging those who continued to advertise them, but our goals are all the same, identify and mark scam advertisers.

You can also tag any person you see doing something wrong. The task is not necessarily meant for only DT members.  

[Quickseller]

Signature campaign name: Xive.io
Overview topic link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615953.msg57480573#msg57480573
Signature campaign link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5349727
Problem (title): "Cloud" mining service detected!
Problem (discussion):
Well I don't know if you have the same itching that I have when I see some cloud mining service popping up. I don't have a problem with the campaign itself since it is managed by yahoo which is a reputable member but with the lack of information I got trying to figure out details and reviews about the service. I didn't find also a topic here about it, if anyone could find it, you can share it with us. Basically you can buy a contract from many options provided, cheaper ones for less than 7 days are sold out and the others start from +$400 for 1-2 years.. Site created 3 years ago? Service is in Kazakhstan? Should it be trusted? Should members here support a cloud mining service and wear its signature? I am raising a red flag until I have a clearer vision of the situation..

Their website is about 3 years old. There are a lot of red flags on their website. They don't appear to have any presence on bitcointalk, but appear to occasionally market themselves here.

I posted in the sig campaign thread, asking yahoo about his due diligence, but he has yet to respond.

[ChuckBuck]

You can also tag any person you see doing something wrong. The task is not necessarily meant for only DT members.  

Honestly, I almost feel that the feedback I can leave will be useless. Feedback from people like me only works when the user clicks on someone's profile and looks at all the responses. But it can't show the warning elsewhere, namely here. You might think I was wrong, but it's really what I feel.

Well I don't know if you have the same itching that I have when I see some cloud mining service popping up.

Just wanted to confirm that this really exists? I don't think there are any cloud mining platforms that are practically profitable, as far as I know, all of them are just scams for newbies who don't have a lot of knowledge, am I wrong? And yes, I get really annoyed when I see some people talking about how they can make money through cloud mining. And with cloud mining being a scam, I believe this campaign should be countered 

[ABCbits]

Signature campaign name: Xive.io
Overview topic link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615953.msg57480573#msg57480573
Signature campaign link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5349727
Problem (title): "Cloud" mining service detected!
Problem (discussion):
Well I don't know if you have the same itching that I have when I see some cloud mining service popping up. I don't have a problem with the campaign itself since it is managed by yahoo which is a reputable member but with the lack of information I got trying to figure out details and reviews about the service. I didn't find also a topic here about it, if anyone could find it, you can share it with us. Basically you can buy a contract from many options provided, cheaper ones for less than 7 days are sold out and the others start from +$400 for 1-2 years.. Site created 3 years ago? Service is in Kazakhstan? Should it be trusted? Should members here support a cloud mining service and wear its signature? I am raising a red flag until I have a clearer vision of the situation..

Their website is about 3 years old. There are a lot of red flags on their website. They don't appear to have any presence on bitcointalk, but appear to occasionally market themselves here.

I posted in the sig campaign thread, asking yahoo about his due diligence, but he has yet to respond.

Using criteria from ▁ ▂ ▄ ▅ ▆ Cloudmining 101 (ponzi risk assessment) ▆ ▅ ▄ ▂ ▁, there are few red flags. But i would advice strong precaution.

1) No public mining address / no user selectable pool.
No?. Looks like you can choose any mining pool, but i can't verify it without buying/rent something.

2) No endorsement from any asic vendor
Yes.

3) No relevant pictures of their hardware and datacenter
Yes? There's no relevant image found using this keyword on Google/DDG image search.

Code:

site:xive.io

4) Open ended IPO / fractional reverse mining risk
Yes?, although there's limit of available ASIC/contract, but there's no way to verify it since i didn't find any relevant picture of their hardware and datacenter.

5) Referral programs and social networking
No? There's no relevant page found using this keyword on Google/DDG.

Code:

site:xive.io refferal

6) Anonymous operators
Yes. I can't even find "About us" or "Legal" page.

7) No exit strategy
Yes? The FAQ doesn't mention it's possible to sell the contract/ASIC.

8) Bonus point for "guaranteed profit"
No. All i can find is Bitcoin Mining Profitability Calculator.

[icopress]

Honestly, I almost feel that the feedback I can leave will be useless. Feedback from people like me only works when the user clicks on someone's profile and looks at all the responses. But it can't show the warning elsewhere, namely here. You might think I was wrong, but it's really what I feel.

Let me dispel your skepticism ... If you see unfairness, or want to warn someone, you should write about it in similar threads, but in order for the DT members to leave red tags, you should always go first, thereby showing an example. It takes a long time for your feedbacks to start showing up by default, but that won't happen if you don't take such small steps. Anyway, good luck in your endeavors, and be optimistic.

[snipie]

Well I don't know if you have the same itching that I have when I see some cloud mining service popping up.

Just wanted to confirm that this really exists? I don't think there are any cloud mining platforms that are practically profitable, as far as I know, all of them are just scams for newbies who don't have a lot of knowledge, am I wrong? And yes, I get really annoyed when I see some people talking about how they can make money through cloud mining. And with cloud mining being a scam, I believe this campaign should be countered 

The campaign is currently listed in the table in PNYC. Of course there isn't any reason to not list it just like 1xbit..
Cloud mining is a pure scam and not sustainable business, I just remember one "company" posting its miners (Genesis) few years ago and AFAIK the amount earned is extremely low comparing to the contracts and the ridiculous fees. ROI required months/+1 year if I am not mistaken! Their topic is no longer updated here BTW and there is scam accusations against them.
If they have enough money to run a mining farm and mining is profitable for them, why would they share revenue with us? Assuming there is a legit cloud mining service then the purpose of contracts is to finance new units, repair old ones, paying for electricity for them...in exchange we get few cents at the end of the day, no thanks!
I warned about cloud mining several times here and IRL. Imagine the campaign was managed by a newbie or unknown manager, will it be listed? without a warning at least? Can we ensure campaign participants that they will not receive negative trust in the future?

[Quickseller]

Signature campaign name: Xive.io
Overview topic link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615953.msg57480573#msg57480573
Signature campaign link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5349727
Problem (title): "Cloud" mining service detected!
Problem (discussion):
Well I don't know if you have the same itching that I have when I see some cloud mining service popping up. I don't have a problem with the campaign itself since it is managed by yahoo which is a reputable member but with the lack of information I got trying to figure out details and reviews about the service. I didn't find also a topic here about it, if anyone could find it, you can share it with us. Basically you can buy a contract from many options provided, cheaper ones for less than 7 days are sold out and the others start from +$400 for 1-2 years.. Site created 3 years ago? Service is in Kazakhstan? Should it be trusted? Should members here support a cloud mining service and wear its signature? I am raising a red flag until I have a clearer vision of the situation..

Their website is about 3 years old. There are a lot of red flags on their website. They don't appear to have any presence on bitcointalk, but appear to occasionally market themselves here.

I posted in the sig campaign thread, asking yahoo about his due diligence, but he has yet to respond.

Using criteria from ▁ ▂ ▄ ▅ ▆ Cloudmining 101 (ponzi risk assessment) ▆ ▅ ▄ ▂ ▁, there are few red flags. But i would advice strong precaution.

1) No public mining address / no user selectable pool.
No?. Looks like you can choose any mining pool, but i can't verify it without buying/rent something.

2) No endorsement from any asic vendor
Yes.

If they have hundreds of miners from bitmain, I would think bitmain would have announced some kind of partnership. Also, they were previously quoting specific dates that mining contracts would start, but I don't think bitmain was shipping miners at a pace with that level of precision.

3) No relevant pictures of their hardware and datacenter
Yes? There's no relevant image found using this keyword on Google/DDG image search.

Code:

site:xive.io

4) Open ended IPO / fractional reverse mining risk
No, there's limit of available ASIC/contract.

You don't actually know this. Their site says there is a limit, however you don't know if they are actually updating the number of available miners when someone purchases a contract.

Bonus point for "guaranteed profit"
No. All i can find is Bitcoin Mining Profitability Calculator.

The prices they are offering appear to be below market. I would expect a legitimate cloud mining company to be charing a markup. There is a global chip shortage right now, so existing hardware should be sold at a premium.

[ChuckBuck]

Imagine the campaign was managed by a newbie or unknown manager, will it be listed? without a warning at least? Can we ensure campaign participants that they will not receive negative trust in the future?

Hmm, I believe this is entirely possible, since there are no experienced managers here, they can choose other people who register themselves with them, in this case, the signature campaign will definitely begin, and the manager certainly won't care about the reputation level. In this case, I think the posters themselves have to judge for themselves whether they are participating in the safe campaign or not, this is necessary, because they participate to make money, they cannot say a irresponsible way that they don't know they are promoting a scam platform 

[icopress]

I bet you can talk this concern on this thread instead here to avoid unnecessary discussions as per the local rules Re: [Discussion topic] Overview of Bitcointalk Signature-Ad Campaigns

My 2 cents ... I bet that FatFork's answer was more appropriate than yours, since his message is "on the topic" with the only difference that he added a small comment, while your rebuke is already creating a flood. So if you're really worried about the cleanliness of the thread, PM or up the discussion thread. 

[bL4nkcode]

My 2 cents ... I bet that FatFork's answer was more appropriate than yours, since his message is "on the topic" with the only difference that he added a small comment, while your rebuke is already creating a flood. So if you're really worried about the cleanliness of the thread, PM or up the discussion thread. 

One of the local rules

Discussion about campaigns are strictly forbidden (unless it's really relevant, which in 99% of the cases, it isn't).

And I'm talking on the quoted post not the total post of him though.

Welp, (I guess) its okay to post there, it will be deleted soon as well but could be better if it just bring the whole discussion on this thread same thing like you did to notify me here, didn't thought that.

[snipie]

I bet you can talk this concern on this thread instead here to avoid unnecessary discussions as per the local rules Re: [Discussion topic] Overview of Bitcointalk Signature-Ad Campaigns

My 2 cents ... I bet that FatFork's answer was more appropriate than yours, since his message is "on the topic" with the only difference that he added a small comment, while your rebuke is already creating a flood. So if you're really worried about the cleanliness of the thread, PM or up the discussion thread. 

It needs only one off topic reply or sentence in the Overview topic to start a wave of off topic posts regardless how relevant they are. Dunno if Mitchell will delete them or not but it would be better to move them here.
Now for 777 campaign, we all know how old it is and the structure of payments there. People joining there know well what they are doing so personally I will not criticise the campaign.

[FatFork]

Now for 777 campaign, we all know how old it is and the structure of payments there. People joining there know well what they are doing so personally I will not criticise the campaign.

777Coin i Bitvest campaigns deserve the utmost respect for their longevity, no doubt about it. Regarding the tier-based payment system, I have my reservations, but that wasn't the point of my remark.

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You are wrong to call this campaign the worst paid. The forum has much lower pay per week than 777Coin.

Ratimov, I appreciate your opinion, but I think you misunderstood what I meant. I was referring to the payment per post, not the total possible earnings.

I compiled a short list of the currently active signature campaigns to put things in perspective. To simplify comparisons, I only included Legendary member payments.

	Campaign	posts	payout	pay per post
	777Coin (Tier D)	60	$15.6	0.26
	777Coin (median)	60	$24.6	0.41
	Arcona.Space	20	$20	1.00
	CoinDragon	20	$20	1.00
	BestChange	25	$100	4.00
	Betcoin.ag	20	$50	2.50
	ChipMixer	50	$300	6.00
	Chips.gg	20	$60	3.00
	Crypto.Games	25	$75	3.00
	Duelbits	20	$60	3.00
	Freebitco.in	25	$75	3.00
	OWNR Wallet	20	$50	2.50
	Playbetr	20	$50	2.50
	Rollbit	25	$80	3.20
	Roobet	15	$60	4.00
	Stake.com	25	$56	2.25
	Xive.io	25	$40	1.60

[pealr12]

I think it's good idea to open discussion topic and keep Overview thread for updates only.
About KYC to get payment from campaign - personally I would never joing signature campaign which would require KYC in order to get paid. But if some people are fine with such rules, then it's OK. I saw that some people are ready to sell their sensitive private data for much less money. But it's good to read kardiachain campaign decided to change rules for payment after getting negative opinion from community.

It is not selling, it is called verification which anyone who have nothing to hide should do without having any problem regardless of online or offline work, you just saying this for the sake of it, tell me what is the difference between the kyc done online and offline? Your information is still in the hands of unknown people, besides people freely display their pic on Facebook and twitter which to me is more dangerous than some few information about name, age and address (this can be easily changed depending on your location)
You verify your identity all the time whenever you use any offline services, schools, hospitals, workplace etc, to me they appears same, but each to their opinion.

[joker_josue]

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The point here is that right now there are many users available to rent your space. And there haven't been many new campaigns, and the campaigns that pay better hardly have new openings.

[LTU_btc]

It is not selling, it is called verification which anyone who have nothing to hide should do without having any problem regardless of online or offline work, you just saying this for the sake of it, tell me what is the difference between the kyc done online and offline? Your information is still in the hands of unknown people, besides people freely display their pic on Facebook and twitter which to me is more dangerous than some few information about name, age and address (this can be easily changed depending on your location)
You verify your identity all the time whenever you use any offline services, schools, hospitals, workplace etc, to me they appears same, but each to their opinion.

I think that it's not correct to compare KYC verification and identity verification on government institutions or workplace.
I'm actually talking about cases when people are looking for websites which pay for registration and verification - various online banks, crypto exchanges and etc. People give all their personal data with easy hand for few bucks. And there is no guarantee that they will sell your data to third party with bad intentions or it simply may be hacked and sold on dark web or websites like Raidforums. How likely that such thing with your data will happen in hospital for example.
Having your profile picture on social media is something dangerous because it's not secret information. But if you put whole your life into social media, it can make you into target of people with bad intentions. Especially if you live fancy.
Sorry if I went a bit off-topic, but I think it's still related with KYC on campaigns, even if question is already solved .