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Title: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Boristhecat on November 18, 2021, 04:35:16 PM https://i.imgur.com/yyuuBbS.png
6 days left before the start of the championship battle between the reigning champions Magnus Carlsen and the winner of the Candidates Tournament Ian Nepomniachtchi. There is a rather long distance ahead - at least 14 matches, if they do not reveal the winners, then a tie-break will take place (the previous time Magnus defended his title in a tie-break, since all the classic 12 matches ended in a draw). Carlsen looks like the most obvious favorite, and the odds of his victory (in classic games, excluding the tie-break) look abnormally profitable: 1.9 Nepomniachtchi odds 3.3 and draw odds 4.0 Will anyone be placing bets on this event? Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: finaleshot2016 on November 18, 2021, 06:01:30 PM It's the first time I've seen a chess post in the gambling section, or perhaps I've missed one.
Well, if you bet on Nepomniachtchi, you'll make a quick profit. We all know how amazing Carlsen is at chess; he's a God who has won numerous championships. But considering how you can earn money for an easy 3.3 odds since Nepomniachtchi won't reach the final if he's not that good right? According to my research, Nepomniachtchi and Carlsen had a great recent match with 40 draws. So I'm suggesting that if there's a possibility with a big odd, we shouldn't pass it up. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: poldanmig on November 18, 2021, 06:36:03 PM Honestly, I don't know what I can say in this thread, even though I can play chess, but I personally don't even follow the existing chess matches, because for me personally, playing chess is more fun than watching other people play, but I'm interested to see the match for the world chess champion between Nepomniachtchi and Carlsen, and I hope someone will share a streaming link to be able to watch the match, because in my place there is not a single local television broadcasting chess matches so far.
Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on November 18, 2021, 07:12:13 PM first time i see chess on this part of the forum too
would be really interesting to have more discussions about gambling on chess games are there active platforms to bet on chess games? where is the best place to watch these? Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: wheelz1200 on November 18, 2021, 07:16:15 PM first time i see chess on this part of the forum too would be really interesting to have more discussions about gambling on chess games are there active platforms to bet on chess games? where is the best place to watch these? Yeah I haven't seen chess lines but sheesh I don't know maybe it's just me but there is no way I could watch a full match. When I bet on something I need to be able to cheer it actively on. That seems like too much sitting and watching someone think for me to get into betting it. With that being said I probably will now be laying some down on this one 😅 Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: eaLiTy on November 18, 2021, 07:40:43 PM 6 days left before the start of the championship battle between the reigning champions Magnus Carlsen and the winner of the Candidates Tournament Ian Nepomniachtchi. It is great to see a thread related to chess. I like the game play of Magnus Carlsen and i have viewed some of his rapid chess matches and the only comment i can tell is that he makes careless moves especially in rapid chess. If he is focused and stress free he will win the championship.Since we have a thread, who do you think is the greatest player of all time. For me it is always Garry Kasparov and Bobby Fischer. For people who really love chess, check out game plays of Mir Sultan Khan who was a legend but not that known to the outside world because he was active during late 1920 who won major championship in England during his short reign and his game plays are extraordinary. On a side note, if we have more chess lovers, we can conduct an online chess tournament for bitcointalk users. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: South Park on November 18, 2021, 09:09:12 PM first time i see chess on this part of the forum too would be really interesting to have more discussions about gambling on chess games are there active platforms to bet on chess games? where is the best place to watch these? Yeah I haven't seen chess lines but sheesh I don't know maybe it's just me but there is no way I could watch a full match. When I bet on something I need to be able to cheer it actively on. That seems like too much sitting and watching someone think for me to get into betting it. With that being said I probably will now be laying some down on this one 😅 Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: dothebeats on November 18, 2021, 09:44:37 PM Carlsen is a god in chess, no doubt. But Nepo sometimes outplays the god during unofficial chess matches on stream, and kid you not the guy can play superior chess over Carlsen on a good day. Though on this World Championship, there is no doubt Magnus Carlsen is in top form, and would likely to defend his title against the challenger Nepomniachtchi.
It's a breath of fresh air to see chess being discussed on this forum section. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: AmoreJaz on November 18, 2021, 09:47:27 PM first time i see chess on this part of the forum too would be really interesting to have more discussions about gambling on chess games are there active platforms to bet on chess games? where is the best place to watch these? maybe the reason why this is not being actively discussed in this forum is because even top bookies here are not listing chess in their list. but you can check these sites - cryptobetting.net (https://cryptobetting.net/sport/chess/) & bitcasinosreviews (https://bitcoincasinosreviews.com/bitcoin-betting/chess/) for possible bookies that may list chess but already checked at stake and they dont have this event yet. however, you can check cloudbet (https://www.cloudbet.com/en/sports/chess/outrights/international-t6d1e-world-chess-championship/7089059/2021-winner) with odds of 1.27 vs 3.55, in favour of carlsen https://i.imgur.com/IGDsXW2.png Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: DoublerHunter on November 18, 2021, 10:08:02 PM ~snip~ ^ I have never seen before that there are bookies that will accept chess games in sports betting. Are there other casinos that have a game like this where we can bet? A chess game is not so fan and sometimes it is boring waiting for the opponent that will move, probably those who have timer are quite exciting but if don't have, I don't think if that is interesting. But I have known chess poker players that have a big name in this industry and the number of them is Magnus Carlsen and Hikaru Nakamura. They are good and look like they are legendary in this game.however, you can check cloudbet (https://www.cloudbet.com/en/sports/chess/outrights/international-t6d1e-world-chess-championship/7089059/2021-winner) with odds of 1.27 vs 3.55, in favour of carlsen Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: blockman on November 18, 2021, 10:16:22 PM ^ I have never seen before that there are bookies that will accept chess games in sports betting. Are there other casinos that have a game like this where we can bet? A chess game is not so fan and sometimes it is boring waiting for the opponent that will move, probably those who have timer are quite exciting but if don't have, I don't think if that is interesting. But I have known chess poker players that have a big name in this industry and the number of them is Magnus Carlsen and Hikaru Nakamura. They are good and look like they are legendary in this game. Me either but with the popularity of chess, it depends on the bookies if they'll add it. As long as there are interested bettors, they'll go easy on it and might add the best matches which will get the attention of many chess fans and bettors.So far, they're very limited to listing but if some of the bookies found success in having chess then for sure that they're going to list it for the other popular bookies. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Baofeng on November 18, 2021, 11:06:48 PM Isn't it Nepomniachtchi hold the numbers against Nepomniachtchi? So I think it's good to bet on the underdog here. Perhaps I just biased but wanted to see Wesley So agains Carlsen in this years World Championship.
Anyhow, this is a long match. Take note though that as Nepomniachtchi is a Russian, but he won't carry the flag due to WADA sanction on Russia. So instead he will be carrying a neutral FIDE flag. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Oshosondy on November 19, 2021, 06:13:31 AM I am novice to this and my post may not be absolutely accurate. Nepomniachtchi was the last champion but Magnus Carlsen has been a champion before, this will make me not to go for this match when the odd for the last champion is very high, that means it is possible Magnus Carlsen might win, but what if he is taken but Nepomniachtchi defended the title again.
1.9 Nepomniachtchi odds 3.3 and draw odds 4.0 I think you mean the odds are like thisWill anyone be placing bets on this event? Magnus Carlsen 1.9 Draw: 4.0 Nepomniachtchi: 3.3 I do not know about chess championship but I think it is a game that will be very hard to predict. For this reason, I will just prefer to seat down that day and just watch how it goes. I will still prefer to look for football clubs to bet instead. But if I will have to choose who to win, I will prefer Magnus Carlsen. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: davis196 on November 19, 2021, 06:26:47 AM Chess is probably my favorite game,even though I'm not a very good chess player.It's good to see other forum members,who are interested in chess. ;D
I would never place any bets on chess games.This seems too weird to me.Chess is not gambling,even though people are betting money for other players. Magnus Carlsen is the obvious favorite and I'm 99.9% sure that he will win.There's no point of placing bets for Nepomniachtchi or a draw. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: BitcoinAccepted on November 19, 2021, 09:04:13 AM These are really good and profitable odds I was planning to place bet on Carlsen but even though he is a defending champion we shouldn't underestimate Nepomniachtchi also I think the odds you gave is wrong. May I ask what bookies offered that odds that's really a good odds to be true.
Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: AicecreaME on November 19, 2021, 11:10:49 AM I'd always bet for Magnus Carlsen. I'm a fan since I watched his match against Kasparov (which is my idol) because Kasparov is just amazing. Magnus Carlsen is a very talented player who is continue growing even better. I always watch his matches and even videos in his youtube channel which is very entertaining and a lot of knowledge can be acquired while watching.
Betting on Carlsen whether he lose or win will be a win win decision for me. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on November 19, 2021, 03:46:17 PM first time i see chess on this part of the forum too would be really interesting to have more discussions about gambling on chess games are there active platforms to bet on chess games? where is the best place to watch these? Yeah I haven't seen chess lines but sheesh I don't know maybe it's just me but there is no way I could watch a full match. When I bet on something I need to be able to cheer it actively on. That seems like too much sitting and watching someone think for me to get into betting it. With that being said I probably will now be laying some down on this one 😅 it would definitely be a bit boring to watch a full normal game on TV but maybe on internet in 2x or a "best moments" video forgot that real life chess is not like "the queen's gambit" on netflix really good series by the way... Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: qwertyup23 on November 19, 2021, 04:27:13 PM Finally someone posted a discussion about the WC match this year!
I am so eager and excited to watch this match especially that Carlsen is a bit motivated to beat Nepo (he mentioned it during his interview with David Howell) as a revenge in their previous match (link in the video below). I am curious as to what openings would Carlsen use in his repertoire given the fact that Nepo is a very aggressive player. Though the match favorite is on Carlsen's favor, I still think that Nepo will make this WC interesting. Hoping for some wins and not just draws! Video Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eC1BAcOzHyY Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Boristhecat on November 19, 2021, 04:49:38 PM first time i see chess on this part of the forum too would be really interesting to have more discussions about gambling on chess games are there active platforms to bet on chess games? where is the best place to watch these? I think the World Chess Championship deserves to be here - a rather rare event with millions of fans around the world. And this match is a great betting opportunity - 14 consecutive games between one pair of players, and the fact that we know that in each game the probability of a draw is maximal - all this allows you to develop different strategies. It is great to see a thread related to chess. I like the game play of Magnus Carlsen and i have viewed some of his rapid chess matches and the only comment i can tell is that he makes careless moves especially in rapid chess. If he is focused and stress free he will win the championship. Since we have a thread, who do you think is the greatest player of all time. For me it is always Garry Kasparov and Bobby Fischer. For people who really love chess, check out game plays of Mir Sultan Khan who was a legend but not that known to the outside world because he was active during late 1920 who won major championship in England during his short reign and his game plays are extraordinary. On a side note, if we have more chess lovers, we can conduct an online chess tournament for bitcointalk users. Each champion was special (and those players who dominated before the official World Cup and the introduction of the World Champion title), but considering the time of dominance and the degree to which the champion was above all other players of his time, Kasparov looks like an undeniable leader. Can we even watch a full game of chess on TV? I mean I play chess and it can be an entertaining game but it is going to be difficult to fill hours of air time when most of the time nothing happens, the commentators would have to fill the time with endless variations about what each player could do in response to what is on the board and that would be incredibly boring Yes, but only on specialized channels - classical chess games last many hours on average. I know that most of the chess youtube and twitch channels will broadcast this event and plan to watch these games there. however, you can check cloudbet (https://www.cloudbet.com/en/sports/chess/outrights/international-t6d1e-world-chess-championship/7089059/2021-winner) with odds of 1.27 vs 3.55, in favour of carlsen https://i.imgur.com/IGDsXW2.png Thanks for the links! These are the odds considering the 14 classic games and tiebreaks. I indicated the odds, excluding tie-breaks, in the first post. Chess is probably my favorite game,even though I'm not a very good chess player.It's good to see other forum members,who are interested in chess. ;D I would never place any bets on chess games.This seems too weird to me.Chess is not gambling,even though people are betting money for other players. Magnus Carlsen is the obvious favorite and I'm 99.9% sure that he will win.There's no point of placing bets for Nepomniachtchi or a draw. In the previous draw of the chess crown, there was a similar situation, but Magnus was able to win only in tie-breaks. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: nakamura12 on November 19, 2021, 04:55:37 PM I am not a pro chess player but I do know how to play a little and I want to see how they play and calculate every move. I guess many people will bet once the match begin and I think most will bet on carlsen. If I have time to bet then I would bet on carlsen too. Given the odds, it's kind of small compare to the challenger.
Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: bekti3 on November 19, 2021, 05:02:03 PM this is unique, because this is the first time I see a thread about chess matches because I really like this game and I am interested in discussing a lot about this.
On the other hand, regarding this match, if you look at a survey conducted by chess.com some time ago, around 84% support the defending champion and the remaining 16% want a new champion. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: qwertyup23 on November 19, 2021, 05:22:33 PM this is unique, because this is the first time I see a thread about chess matches because I really like this game and I am interested in discussing a lot about this. On the other hand, regarding this match, if you look at a survey conducted by chess.com some time ago, around 84% support the defending champion and the remaining 16% want a new champion. To be honest, this is to be expected given the experience of Magnus in the pressure of facing the WC matches. Imagine, you are fighting for the WC title against the arguably the best chess player ever to touch the board. Given also the age of engines and computers, the fact that Magnus can still convert drawish positions to a win speaks a lot about his natural talent and instincts on the game. Like what I previously mentioned, while Magnus is definitely favored to win, I am sure Nepo has prepared tons of preparation under his sleeve given that he is a very aggressive and unorthodox player which might caught Magnus off-guard (though I highly doubt so). Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Zilon on November 19, 2021, 05:36:57 PM I have never followed a chess tournament up before I think this would be my first time discussing chess on the forum thanks for the update. Nepo is having a higher odd while Magnus is been favoured to win and since it's gambling both side isn't safe to bet on so I just take the risk and go for Nepo while I wait the outcome
Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: mm2543363580 on November 19, 2021, 06:05:12 PM Honestly, I don't know what I can say in this thread, even though I can play chess, but I personally don't even follow the existing chess matches, because for me personally, playing chess is more fun than watching other people play, but I'm interested to see the match for the world chess champion between Nepomniachtchi and Carlsen, and I hope someone will share a streaming link to be able to watch the match, because in my place there is not a single local television broadcasting chess matches so far. Since there is no aspect of life where we don't have gambling that's why we are seeing this thread. Few days back I saw a thread where person was looking for a site that support betting on French elections. AFAIK, chess is very lengthy game and there is no time limit for this game. So you have to spend your complete day in watching and betting on this championship unless there is time limit for the match. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: 7788bitcoin on November 19, 2021, 11:59:14 PM Since there is no aspect of life where we don't have gambling that's why we are seeing this thread. Few days back I saw a thread where person was looking for a site that support betting on French elections. AFAIK, chess is very lengthy game and there is no time limit for this game. So you have to spend your complete day in watching and betting on this championship unless there is time limit for the match. If users are interested to wage a bet, the punters will be happy to open the odds for the match and i have not watched a world championship chess match live and i never placed a bet on chess but it would be interesting. Even if you want to wage a bet, it is not necessarily important for you to be glued in the match all the time and i do not have the patience to watch long matches. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: TravelMug on November 20, 2021, 02:46:31 AM Honestly, I don't know what I can say in this thread, even though I can play chess, but I personally don't even follow the existing chess matches, because for me personally, playing chess is more fun than watching other people play, but I'm interested to see the match for the world chess champion between Nepomniachtchi and Carlsen, and I hope someone will share a streaming link to be able to watch the match, because in my place there is not a single local television broadcasting chess matches so far. Since there is no aspect of life where we don't have gambling that's why we are seeing this thread. Few days back I saw a thread where person was looking for a site that support betting on French elections. AFAIK, chess is very lengthy game and there is no time limit for this game. So you have to spend your complete day in watching and betting on this championship unless there is time limit for the match. What do you mean no time limit? Yes, this might be a lengthy game, but eventually they have to settle the game, either by a win by Carlsen the favourite, or a if Nepomniachtchi can salvage a draw (good odds). Well, you can just put your bet on it without watching the game itself and just check the results at the end of the day if you are a very busy person but love to bet on chess game. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: mm2543363580 on November 20, 2021, 09:19:58 AM What do you mean no time limit? Yes, this might be a lengthy game, but eventually they have to settle the game, either by a win by Carlsen the favourite, or a if Nepomniachtchi can salvage a draw (good odds). Well, you can just put your bet on it without watching the game itself and just check the results at the end of the day if you are a very busy person but love to bet on chess game. Just like in cricket and football there is a time limit in which game must finish, is this also the case in chess or players can take as much time as they want? If it has no time limit then very few can watch the complete game. May be this was reason why not many are interested in live streaming of this game. I don't know much about these players but I can place bet if I see the odds. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: MrcMrc on November 20, 2021, 09:42:28 AM first time i see chess on this part of the forum too would be really interesting to have more discussions about gambling on chess games are there active platforms to bet on chess games? where is the best place to watch these? maybe the reason why this is not being actively discussed in this forum is because even top bookies here are not listing chess in their list. but you can check these sites - cryptobetting.net (https://cryptobetting.net/sport/chess/) & bitcasinosreviews (https://bitcoincasinosreviews.com/bitcoin-betting/chess/) for possible bookies that may list chess but already checked at stake and they dont have this event yet. however, you can check cloudbet (https://www.cloudbet.com/en/sports/chess/outrights/international-t6d1e-world-chess-championship/7089059/2021-winner) with odds of 1.27 vs 3.55, in favour of carlsen https://i.imgur.com/IGDsXW2.png Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: bekti3 on November 20, 2021, 07:02:08 PM this is unique, because this is the first time I see a thread about chess matches because I really like this game and I am interested in discussing a lot about this. On the other hand, regarding this match, if you look at a survey conducted by chess.com some time ago, around 84% support the defending champion and the remaining 16% want a new champion. To be honest, this is to be expected given the experience of Magnus in the pressure of facing the WC matches. Imagine, you are fighting for the WC title against the arguably the best chess player ever to touch the board. Given also the age of engines and computers, the fact that Magnus can still convert drawish positions to a win speaks a lot about his natural talent and instincts on the game. Like what I previously mentioned, while Magnus is definitely favored to win, I am sure Nepo has prepared tons of preparation under his sleeve given that he is a very aggressive and unorthodox player which might caught Magnus off-guard (though I highly doubt so). even though nepo is a good chess player and his style is distinctive but Magnus is a level above with calculations and natural talent that he has. but it's really worth watching because it's something good especially when it comes to fighting for a pretty prestigious title Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on November 21, 2021, 10:16:51 PM I am not a pro chess player but I do know how to play a little and I want to see how they play and calculate every move. I guess many people will bet once the match begin and I think most will bet on carlsen. If I have time to bet then I would bet on carlsen too. Given the odds, it's kind of small compare to the challenger. these calculations and surprise plays are the most amazing things I'm always impressed how pro players can calculate all the possibilities and even more than 5 stages ahead, when I play my max is 2 or 3 movements but more than that starts to make entanglements on my brain Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: 24Kt on November 21, 2021, 10:31:01 PM I am not a pro chess player but I do know how to play a little and I want to see how they play and calculate every move. I guess many people will bet once the match begin and I think most will bet on carlsen. If I have time to bet then I would bet on carlsen too. Given the odds, it's kind of small compare to the challenger. these calculations and surprise plays are the most amazing things I'm always impressed how pro players can calculate all the possibilities and even more than 5 stages ahead, when I play my max is 2 or 3 movements but more than that starts to make entanglements on my brain These chess players have been doing this activity most of their lives, so they are used to think 5 steps ahead and beyond. This is not for people who has short temper as you will really get a headache thinking about the moves. But the game will be interesting once there are only few pieces left on the board. If you have strong notion with Carlsen, you can bet on him, and just wait for the day to be over to see the results. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: qwertyup23 on November 21, 2021, 10:47:23 PM I am not a pro chess player but I do know how to play a little and I want to see how they play and calculate every move. I guess many people will bet once the match begin and I think most will bet on carlsen. If I have time to bet then I would bet on carlsen too. Given the odds, it's kind of small compare to the challenger. these calculations and surprise plays are the most amazing things I'm always impressed how pro players can calculate all the possibilities and even more than 5 stages ahead, when I play my max is 2 or 3 movements but more than that starts to make entanglements on my brain These GMs have a different calculation speed on their own- like it is really out of this world on how they can calculate 5-6 moves ahead than any of normal players, even 2000+ rated ones also. The difference between a 2600 rated GM against a 2700 GM is staggering. This has been continuously witnessed on Agadmator's channel on FB where the top 20 chess players went again 2600 GMs and the latter got completely destroyed. Magnus Carlsen, on the other hand, has a different feel in chess- like it is his natural instincts to play those moves. I really suggest that you watch him play bullet chess in lichess (tons of videos on YouTube) where you can see their calculation speed and pattern recognition. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Alisha-k on November 21, 2021, 10:54:00 PM I am not a pro chess player but I do know how to play a little and I want to see how they play and calculate every move. I guess many people will bet once the match begin and I think most will bet on carlsen. If I have time to bet then I would bet on carlsen too. Given the odds, it's kind of small compare to the challenger. these calculations and surprise plays are the most amazing things I'm always impressed how pro players can calculate all the possibilities and even more than 5 stages ahead, when I play my max is 2 or 3 movements but more than that starts to make entanglements on my brain Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: alegotardo on November 22, 2021, 12:02:31 AM It's the first time I've seen a chess post in the gambling section, or perhaps I've missed one. It's also the first time I've seen it, and I love watching these tournaments. At school I was always the boy who preferred to be in a corner playing a game of chess than playing or doing some physical exercise. It's a game that captivates me a lot and professional players like Magnus Carlsen have always been my encouragement. Obviously my bet will be on Carlsen. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: aoluain on November 22, 2021, 11:08:00 AM I have seen a few Chess tournaments, the level of skill these players are at is mind blowing.
I can play Chess but at a "hobby" level and certainly not regularly enough to improve my skills. To be able to think many moves ahead is one thing but to be able to calculate potential moves your opponent has and be ready to counter them is another. Serious skills needed. Interestingly the winners prize payout is only $110,000, i thought it would be more than that. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: molsewid on November 22, 2021, 02:44:18 PM It's also the first time I've seen it, and I love watching these tournaments. At school I was always the boy who preferred to be in a corner playing a game of chess than playing or doing some physical exercise. It's a game that captivates me a lot and professional players like Magnus Carlsen have always been my encouragement. Obviously my bet will be on Carlsen. I'm maybe sole person here in this thread who were not that passionate about this game, I mean I didn't even try to play this game, I don't know the basic rule about this game and yeah this is also the first time I have read a thread that was created intended for Chess Game solely, and even I am not that fan of Chess it's nice seeing this kind of thread here in forum. I know this type of game is for intelligent and critical thinker that's why I think I'm not belong to this game, kidding aside. However, upon researching about the player involve I do also think that Carlsen has the advantage over Nepomniachtchi. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: qwertyup23 on November 22, 2021, 05:33:34 PM It's also the first time I've seen it, and I love watching these tournaments. At school I was always the boy who preferred to be in a corner playing a game of chess than playing or doing some physical exercise. It's a game that captivates me a lot and professional players like Magnus Carlsen have always been my encouragement. Obviously my bet will be on Carlsen. I'm maybe sole person here in this thread who were not that passionate about this game, I mean I didn't even try to play this game, I don't know the basic rule about this game and yeah this is also the first time I have read a thread that was created intended for Chess Game solely, and even I am not that fan of Chess it's nice seeing this kind of thread here in forum. I know this type of game is for intelligent and critical thinker that's why I think I'm not belong to this game, kidding aside. However, upon researching about the player involve I do also think that Carlsen has the advantage over Nepomniachtchi. It is not that chess is for 'intelligent' and 'critical thinkers' as anyone can play the game as long as you know the moves of each pieces! The advantage of playing chess stems from your cognitive abilities and concentration as it really is mentally tiring to calculate 4-5 moves ahead from your next move. While most sports are physical in nature, chess is the game of mental strength and fortitude as chess players play more than 7 hours per game depending on the time format (e.g. classical, rapid, bullet, etc.). I have been playing chess ever since I was still in grade school but I still consider myself as someone who is still a newbie at the game due to its complexity and techniques involved. The fact that chess has been getting its recognition slowly over the years is definitely a step forward on its community. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Boristhecat on November 23, 2021, 11:37:59 AM Interestingly the winners prize payout is only $110,000, i thought it would be more than that. Where did you see this information? In fact, the prize money is much higher: Quote The prize fund is US$ 2 million split 60% vs 40% between winner and loser. If the match is tied after 14 classical games, the prize fund will be split 55% vs 45% in favor of the tiebreak winner. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Chess_Championship_2021So, about 24 hours before the start of the first game. I studied many bookmakers (including fiat ones) and was surprised that none of them (even the largest ones) offer bets on the outcome of the first game. It is possible to place bets only on secondary indicators such as the number of moves, whether a check will be announced, etc. Does the outcome of separate games look so unpredictable to the bookmakers that they don't offer any odds? Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: aoluain on November 23, 2021, 07:16:54 PM Interestingly the winners prize payout is only $110,000, i thought it would be more than that. Where did you see this information? In fact, the prize money is much higher: Quote The prize fund is US$ 2 million split 60% vs 40% between winner and loser. If the match is tied after 14 classical games, the prize fund will be split 55% vs 45% in favor of the tiebreak winner. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Chess_Championship_2021So, about 24 hours before the start of the first game. I studied many bookmakers (including fiat ones) and was surprised that none of them (even the largest ones) offer bets on the outcome of the first game. It is possible to place bets only on secondary indicators such as the number of moves, whether a check will be announced, etc. Does the outcome of separate games look so unpredictable to the bookmakers that they don't offer any odds? You are correct, I checked it on > https://www.chess.com/article/view/world-chess-championship-2021 Quote Prize Fund The prize fund will be $2 million euros. The winner will earn 60 percent of the prize fund, and 40 percent will go to the runner-up. If the match ends in a tie after 14 games and a tiebreak will decide matters, the winner receives 55 percent and the runner-up 45 percent. Before the start of the match, each player receives two hundred thousand euros as an upfront payment of his eventual prize money. If the match is played in the country of one of the players, then the foreign player receives one hundred thousand euros of the prize fund and the remaining prize money is shared as stated above. That would make more sense the current prize fund, I think I was looking at Wikipedia 2019. It sounds like the bookies possibly cannot cover all the possible bets. Would it be bizzare for someone to walk in to a betting shop and place a bet on the World Chess Championship? Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on November 23, 2021, 08:16:48 PM I am not a pro chess player but I do know how to play a little and I want to see how they play and calculate every move. I guess many people will bet once the match begin and I think most will bet on carlsen. If I have time to bet then I would bet on carlsen too. Given the odds, it's kind of small compare to the challenger. these calculations and surprise plays are the most amazing things I'm always impressed how pro players can calculate all the possibilities and even more than 5 stages ahead, when I play my max is 2 or 3 movements but more than that starts to make entanglements on my brain These GMs have a different calculation speed on their own- like it is really out of this world on how they can calculate 5-6 moves ahead than any of normal players, even 2000+ rated ones also. The difference between a 2600 rated GM against a 2700 GM is staggering. This has been continuously witnessed on Agadmator's channel on FB where the top 20 chess players went again 2600 GMs and the latter got completely destroyed. Magnus Carlsen, on the other hand, has a different feel in chess- like it is his natural instincts to play those moves. I really suggest that you watch him play bullet chess in lichess (tons of videos on YouTube) where you can see their calculation speed and pattern recognition. will search for that thanks for the references never thought i'd talk chess on bitcointalk I understand how bullet games can be useful for improving but I feel like they're almost a different game when compared to slow ones useful to see the difference between fast thinking and slow thinking Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: nakamura12 on November 24, 2021, 04:16:02 AM will search for that You can also watch carlsen playing chess being blind folded and against more than one player and does have a time limit. I'm sure you and the others know it how a player run out of timr lose the match. I am more amazed when carlsen beat all the players. Even they are not GM but still carlsen have to play against three players at the same time with blind fold on.thanks for the references never thought i'd talk chess on bitcointalk I understand how bullet games can be useful for improving but I feel like they're almost a different game when compared to slow ones useful to see the difference between fast thinking and slow thinking Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Davidvictorson on November 24, 2021, 08:58:19 AM will search for that You can also watch carlsen playing chess being blind folded and against more than one player and does have a time limit. I'm sure you and the others know it how a player run out of timr lose the match. I am more amazed when carlsen beat all the players. Even they are not GM but still carlsen have to play against three players at the same time with blind fold on.thanks for the references never thought i'd talk chess on bitcointalk I understand how bullet games can be useful for improving but I feel like they're almost a different game when compared to slow ones useful to see the difference between fast thinking and slow thinking Nepo is way more stronger then Magnus no doubt .In tactically & imbalance position Magnus sucks but in positions where nothing much happening he can outplay you with his masterful technique . Nepo gonna give hard time to Magnus with sharp play throughout matches. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on November 24, 2021, 06:35:11 PM will search for that You can also watch carlsen playing chess being blind folded and against more than one player and does have a time limit. I'm sure you and the others know it how a player run out of timr lose the match. I am more amazed when carlsen beat all the players. Even they are not GM but still carlsen have to play against three players at the same time with blind fold on.thanks for the references never thought i'd talk chess on bitcointalk I understand how bullet games can be useful for improving but I feel like they're almost a different game when compared to slow ones useful to see the difference between fast thinking and slow thinking next level yes, I know about the clock/time rules the level of knowledge they have of the board and skill needed to have the full board with moving pieces on their heads is really amazing I've heard about people playing in their heads without physical boards before, but never playing multiples like that Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: aoluain on November 24, 2021, 08:11:39 PM The press conference from today, the opening day is up on youtube now, link >
https://youtu.be/gkO3Ms9djf4 It seems to me that the mind games have started already before the first game in 2 days time, both players are asked about comments they previously made about their opponent, they are not positive comments it seems like boxers facing off each other pre-match but with words. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Boristhecat on November 24, 2021, 09:25:47 PM Today the draw took place and now it is known who will play in which game with which color.
Therefore, bookmakers' quotes for separate games began to appear. Game one: Nepomniachtchi plays with white pieces. Bookmaker quotes: 3,8 - 1,43 - 7,3 1.43 for a draw !? How is this possible? Let me remind you that in the previous world championship match all 12 classic games ended in a draw. Is this really easy money? Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on November 25, 2021, 12:27:18 PM <...> 1.43 for a draw !? How is this possible? Let me remind you that in the previous world championship match all 12 classic games ended in a draw. Is this really easy money? sometimes, it is remember when Trump had clearly no more chances of winning the elections but people could still bet on it using FTX or some other websites? that was just free alpha, capitalizing on the inefficiencies of the market. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Cling18 on November 25, 2021, 02:02:37 PM Honestly, I don't know what I can say in this thread, even though I can play chess, but I personally don't even follow the existing chess matches, because for me personally, playing chess is more fun than watching other people play, but I'm interested to see the match for the world chess champion between Nepomniachtchi and Carlsen, and I hope someone will share a streaming link to be able to watch the match because in my place there is not a single local television broadcasting chess matches so far. I've been looking for resources to watch their match as well. I used to play chess before and I find it so fun and entertaining but it would be more exciting to watch chess champions in a single match. I would put my hope in Carlsen on this match but I guess it would really be tough for both of them. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: qwertyup23 on November 26, 2021, 04:57:47 PM So game 1 just ended and it is expected that it would end up with a draw. It was an interesting match though especially around in move 10-13 where Nepo was surprised with that rook to b8 move. He definitely fell into the preparation of magnus where they played the Spanish opening with black a pawn down. But the pawn structures of black were connected and strong.
Like what they always say in end games, it is the quality of pawns (vs quantity) that wins games. But Nepo managed to draw the game due to a three-fold repetition. I definitely can't wait for game 2 tomorrow! Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: South Park on November 26, 2021, 11:09:37 PM Can we even watch a full game of chess on TV? I mean I play chess and it can be an entertaining game but it is going to be difficult to fill hours of air time when most of the time nothing happens, the commentators would have to fill the time with endless variations about what each player could do in response to what is on the board and that would be incredibly boring it would definitely be a bit boring to watch a full normal game on TV but maybe on internet in 2x or a "best moments" video forgot that real life chess is not like "the queen's gambit" on netflix really good series by the way... Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: TimeTeller on November 26, 2021, 11:26:38 PM Can we even watch a full game of chess on TV? I mean I play chess and it can be an entertaining game but it is going to be difficult to fill hours of air time when most of the time nothing happens, the commentators would have to fill the time with endless variations about what each player could do in response to what is on the board and that would be incredibly boring it would definitely be a bit boring to watch a full normal game on TV but maybe on internet in 2x or a "best moments" video forgot that real life chess is not like "the queen's gambit" on netflix really good series by the way... Many people are not interested in this sports because of its slow pace. However, you are right, if we have the same scenario like the Cold War before, a lot of people will get their interest to this sports. In this digital age, hard to get the attention of millennials now. Their attention is getting short. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: aoluain on November 27, 2021, 09:12:38 AM Ah its definitely a niche sport but I would say it would be the pinnacle of the Gaming world,
would I be correct in that theory even though it might not be the most popular? The first game ended in a draw > https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/nov/26/magnus-carlsen-ian-nepomniachtchi-world-chess-championship-game-one-news-report As with most sports the difference between #1 to say #5 is not massive, this championship could be a close fought affair. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Boristhecat on November 27, 2021, 11:49:04 AM So game 1 just ended and it is expected that it would end up with a draw. It was an interesting match though especially around in move 10-13 where Nepo was surprised with that rook to b8 move. He definitely fell into the preparation of magnus where they played the Spanish opening with black a pawn down. But the pawn structures of black were connected and strong. Like what they always say in end games, it is the quality of pawns (vs quantity) that wins games. But Nepo managed to draw the game due to a three-fold repetition. I definitely can't wait for game 2 tomorrow! It really was easy money (I wish I could find a crypto bookmaker who would accept a bet on this event), 1,43 - these are crazy draw odds in classical chess. As for the rook move to b8, this is a normal move and this is only a consequence of Nepo's mistake (bishop f4), after the exchanges Magnus could win the game with an unobvious move a5, but he could not find it and the game ended in a draw. Today's odds of the outcome of the second game are no less crazy: 3.60 - 1.43 - 10.0 Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on November 27, 2021, 02:25:02 PM if anybody is interested on checking the PNG of the game found it on yotube in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFThQFRZJNs Code: 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 O-O 8. h3 what is the prize for the 2nd place? or is it a winner takes all? by the way if anybody here is on lichess message me here and I can tell you my user there, I've been playing some correspondence games with friends now and then and it's a lot of fun with 24-48 hours to make each move. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: qwertyup23 on November 27, 2021, 04:59:09 PM Game 2 just ended and like what David Howell said, this game was just a roller coaster of emotions all throughout!
Magnus got the perfect opening by transitioning from Queen's Gambit Declined to Catalan, in which he had a very strong white bishop. Though at the middle game, Nepo was able to cement his knight at d3 which somehow made Magnus uncomfortable. Magnus was also down on the exchange when two of the knights infiltrated and got the winning exchange (knight for a rook). But it all changed on move 25 when Nepo almost instantly pushed his c3 pawn which gave Magnus some breathing space to win his pawn back. That was definitely a roller coaster of emotions. I really thought Magnus was going to lose this game but the slightest inaccuracy made by Nepo dictated the pace of the game which ultimately ended in a draw. As always, looking forward for game 3! Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: alpamar99 on November 27, 2021, 05:04:50 PM Nepo is way more stronger then Magnus no doubt .In tactically & imbalance position Magnus sucks but in positions where nothing much happening he can outplay you with his masterful technique . Nepo gonna give hard time to Magnus with sharp play throughout matches. I don't understand why you say nepo is better. but talking about statistics of course now magnus is very superior and this we are talking about facts because indeed magnus is now in the top position with elo 2855 while nepo is at number 5 with elo 2782.on the other hand he has now won this world championship 4 times and it has been 8 years he has defended this title, and even if I'm not mistaken his achievements have equaled the record of chess legend Wilhem Steinitz. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Boristhecat on November 28, 2021, 12:32:33 PM A few minutes before the start of the third game, and it seems that the bookmakers are beginning to understand the real odds of the outcomes, but they still allow bets to be made at very favorable odds:
5.70 - 1.36 - 6.10 Those who bet on a draw in the first two games have already doubled their deposit. I hope today's game will be no less exciting than yesterday's when both players alternately got an advantage but could not convert it. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: qwertyup23 on November 28, 2021, 03:15:27 PM Game 3 just ended and the result was to be expected- another draw from two (2) of the greatest chess players in the world.
It is noteworthy to mention that they played again the Spanish opening, which is similar to what happened in game 1. Upon the discussion in chess24, the commentaries mentioned that on November 26, someone on the cloud database in chess studied the actual position, hinting that it may either be Team Nepo or Team Magnus who forgot to make the analysis 'private'. Though this is not that impactful in the game, any slight advantage that gives either team the advantage of knowing their respective preparation is beneficial. Tomorrow is a rest day and I am looking forward for game 4, in which Magnus will play white! Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: aoluain on November 29, 2021, 05:31:38 PM Yes another draw, both players able to get into a small bit of trouble and get out
of it too. I believe the first pawn move from each player was played by a guest but both Nepomniachtchi and Carlsen refused and played their own pawn positions. Is this a normal start or is it just a symbolic gesture to invite guests to start the match? Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Magicalking on November 29, 2021, 09:29:17 PM I wouldn't bet against Carlsen even if he's down a queen. Magnus Carlsen style of play is so unarthodox that it took the world by surprise when he became world champion. He has held that position since. His openings, middlegame and endgame are so articulate you would think you're playing a bot from the future. I enjoy watching chess games and studying old GM games and I can say I have never seen anyone play like Magnus. Maybe Paul Morphy came close idk
Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Boristhecat on November 30, 2021, 10:08:56 AM It seemed to me that in the third game both players decided to take a break (just before the rest day) and played a rather simple game (perhaps I got this impression after the second game, which was really nervous).
Today is game 4 and bookmakers continue to gradually reduce the odds for a draw (although they continue to be super profitable). 3.77 - 1.34 - 13.50 Besides, I don't understand such an insane odds on Nepo - in the second game when he played with black he had chances to win, why can't this happen today? Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on November 30, 2021, 11:17:55 PM Yes another draw, both players able to get into a small bit of trouble and get out of it too. I believe the first pawn move from each player was played by a guest but both Nepomniachtchi and Carlsen refused and played their own pawn positions. Is this a normal start or is it just a symbolic gesture to invite guests to start the match? never seen that before but find it really weird even though i'm not the one who watches most of chess games anybody else knows about it? would like to know that too Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: qwertyup23 on December 01, 2021, 04:00:05 PM Game 5 just ended and that was truly an intense match to watch!
The opening and middle game went in favor of Nepo where Magnus back was pushed against the wall. The preparation made by Nepo is just truly incredible but one tempo changed the outcome of the game when he moved his rook to D1 on move 21. That gave Magnus the opportunity to remove the white Bishop and liquidate the pieces which contributed to the attack. The fact that Magnus withstood the immense pressure, with the black pieces and with the preparation of Nepo is a testament to his name. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: tokeweed on December 01, 2021, 04:41:54 PM ^ I watched some of it earlier today live at YT. It was good. But there comes a point in the match when the decisions take a bit longer... But overall good for any chess enthusiast. I kinda played a bit during elementary school but was never really any good... But I tried. :D
Anyway where can we bet this per match? It’s been ending in a draw for 5 matches now. One of them is prolly due for a win. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: LUCKMCFLY on December 01, 2021, 10:41:10 PM if anybody is interested on checking the PNG of the game found it on yotube in this video Thank you very much for bringing it, I recreated everything on my board, and they really have master moves that it is still difficult for me sometimes to decipher the reason and the construction that they do, it is something really great what these people think, I think that I still have a long way to go. to learn, I play chess since I was a child, but wow the combination of these strategies are incredible, even so there are some movements that I do not understand but that in the end make a lot of sense, I think that the strategic position is what defines them the most, the funny thing is that It is very difficult when they are wrong.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFThQFRZJNs Code: 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 O-O 8. h3 what is the prize for the 2nd place? or is it a winner takes all? by the way if anybody here is on lichess message me here and I can tell you my user there, I've been playing some correspondence games with friends now and then and it's a lot of fun with 24-48 hours to make each move. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Boristhecat on December 02, 2021, 10:17:21 AM Yesterday I had certain problems with access, so I did not have time to post here the odds from the bookmakers for yesterday's game, so I am doing it now:
6,00 - 1,30 - 7,20 The odds for tomorrow's game are: 4,70 - 1,28 - 12,5 Based on how the games play, I continue to think that betting on a draw is easy money (the odds drop too slowly on this outcome) and betting on Nepo is profitable with such huge odds. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: AicecreaME on December 02, 2021, 11:49:17 AM Yes another draw, both players able to get into a small bit of trouble and get out of it too. I believe the first pawn move from each player was played by a guest but both Nepomniachtchi and Carlsen refused and played their own pawn positions. Is this a normal start or is it just a symbolic gesture to invite guests to start the match? never seen that before but find it really weird even though i'm not the one who watches most of chess games anybody else knows about it? would like to know that too It is one of the openings in chess. I always see it from Carlsen especially if he is playing against someone who is too good. I don't know the right term but yes, it is normal. If I'm not mistaken, they are gonna move both knights and then a little opening by moving a pawn then they will position their higher pieces slowly to tighten up the game to execute the checkmate as soon as possible. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on December 03, 2021, 12:10:50 AM <..> Thank you very much for bringing it, I recreated everything on my board, and they really have master moves that it is still difficult for me sometimes to decipher the reason and the construction that they do, it is something really great what these people think, I think that I still have a long way to go. to learn, I play chess since I was a child, but wow the combination of these strategies are incredible, even so there are some movements that I do not understand but that in the end make a lot of sense, I think that the strategic position is what defines them the most, the funny thing is that It is very difficult when they are wrong. oh, glad it was useful for you! I still didn't have the time to put it on lichess and study the game but it's nice how you can learn a lot by studying the games of these grandmasters cool @AicecreaME thanks for the information! Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: tokeweed on December 03, 2021, 01:47:28 PM Yesterday I had certain problems with access, so I did not have time to post here the odds from the bookmakers for yesterday's game, so I am doing it now: 6,00 - 1,30 - 7,20 The odds for tomorrow's game are: 4,70 - 1,28 - 12,5 Based on how the games play, I continue to think that betting on a draw is easy money (the odds drop too slowly on this outcome) and betting on Nepo is profitable with such huge odds. What crypto sports betting site are you using? And by the looks of it, most of these chess matches end in a draw? How do they determine the winner? And how did the line at game 5 almost even for each player and then right now at game 6 it’s 12.5 for the other guy? This guy Magnus is prolly the bet now at 4.70 now, right? Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: qwertyup23 on December 04, 2021, 12:35:34 AM In my opinion, game 6 is definitely the best game yet in this WC tournament where we were able to witness both Magnus and Nepo missing the winning idea in their respective moves.
In the opening, Magnus dragged Nepo away from opening theory in which they just wanted to play pure chess. But around move 18, the former had his back against the wall on that queen exchange and Nepo just missed the winning idea of Bb2 which could have at least given him the advantage of being two pawns up. This is also the longest game so far which lasted for 136 moves in which Magnus still tried winning the endgame. Nevertheless, it was an exciting match to see where it was a roller-coaster of emotions! Game 7 ended fairly quickly especially that Nepo was with the white pieces this time. I was somehow expecting him to push harder and try a new opening in order to bounce back from his loss last night. Then again, we saw another Spanish opening by Nepo in which Magnus replied with similar moves which happened on Game 5. Like what was mentioned on the commentary on chess24, do you guys think that the loss of Nepo in Game 6 substantially affected his confidence in the entire match? While I do understand that it is too early to conclude, but do you think that Nepo would be able to win a match against Magnus this WC? Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Boristhecat on December 05, 2021, 11:31:45 AM In my opinion, game 6 is definitely the best game yet in this WC tournament where we were able to witness both Magnus and Nepo missing the winning idea in their respective moves. In the opening, Magnus dragged Nepo away from opening theory in which they just wanted to play pure chess. But around move 18, the former had his back against the wall on that queen exchange and Nepo just missed the winning idea of Bb2 which could have at least given him the advantage of being two pawns up. This is also the longest game so far which lasted for 136 moves in which Magnus still tried winning the endgame. Nevertheless, it was an exciting match to see where it was a roller-coaster of emotions! Game 7 ended fairly quickly especially that Nepo was with the white pieces this time. I was somehow expecting him to push harder and try a new opening in order to bounce back from his loss last night. Then again, we saw another Spanish opening by Nepo in which Magnus replied with similar moves which happened on Game 5. Like what was mentioned on the commentary on chess24, do you guys think that the loss of Nepo in Game 6 substantially affected his confidence in the entire match? While I do understand that it is too early to conclude, but do you think that Nepo would be able to win a match against Magnus this WC? The 6th game is a typical win for Magnus (I mean the last stage if I may say so about a few hours of endgame play haha) - he got a minimal advantage, and in a situation where most of the players would have already agreed to a draw, he tortured his opponent to the last. And even in a draw position (the computer showed that Nepo could get a draw) he was able to win. As for Nepo's chances, I am sure that this defeat did not change much (one game is unlikely to decide the outcome of the match) - I am sure that he has a lot of preparations for this match and given such a long distance he will be able to successfully use at least one. I am confident that he will win at least one game against Magnus. The odds for today's game are as follows: 4.90 1.30 9.30 I still think that betting on a draw is easy money and betting on Nepo is profitable with such a huge odds. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on December 05, 2021, 02:20:00 PM for those interested on seeing the games in an interactive way, where you can go back and see comments on each move lichess has this published article with the 7 games and the interactive board
it's really usefull https://lichess.org/blog/YaqhUBEAACIAu7T1/carlsen-versus-nepomniachtchi-fide-world-championship-round-6 example of Game6 moves + comments: (on the website it's a bit better because you have the board too) Code: 1.d4No 1.e4 today. Magnus wasn't impressed by his play against the Petroff Defense and decides to return to 1.d4.1...Nf62.Nf3d53.g3e64.Bg2Be75.O-OO-O6.b3!?Catalan without Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: qwertyup23 on December 06, 2021, 06:26:18 AM Game 8 was just heartbreaking for Nepo. I mean, I do understand that people blunder their moves but in this level of competition where the next World Champion title is at stake, blundering a pawn can really turn the tide of the battle. Unlike in game 2 where both players had the opportunity of having the winning advantage, game 8 is another story where someone blundered and the other capitalize on it.
Some mentioned that the commentators (e.g. Caruana, Ashley, etc.) were somehow harsh on the comments against Nepo but again, in this kind of competition, accuracy and patience are the winning key. With two (2) games down to Nepo, I do think that the title is decided already. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: aoluain on December 06, 2021, 01:32:02 PM First to 7.5 points wins I believe, its now 5-3 to Carlsen, looks like its an uphill task
for Nepo. Could he possibly be suffering still from that 8 hour game in #6, mentally drained perhaps and Carlsen to be more aggressive in game 8 to push his opponent knowing the previous game 7 was gruelling and 6 a marathon? Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: coco23 on December 06, 2021, 05:19:40 PM First to 7.5 points wins I believe, its now 5-3 to Carlsen, looks like its an uphill task Nepo will really have to come forward and play offensive in the remaining games. Looks like it's a sure win for Carlsen, payout for him is now 1.25for Nepo. Could he possibly be suffering still from that 8 hour game in #6, mentally drained perhaps and Carlsen to be more aggressive in game 8 to push his opponent knowing the previous game 7 was gruelling and 6 a marathon? Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Boristhecat on December 06, 2021, 09:23:43 PM First to 7.5 points wins I believe, its now 5-3 to Carlsen, looks like its an uphill task Nepo will really have to come forward and play offensive in the remaining games. Looks like it's a sure win for Carlsen, payout for him is now 1.25for Nepo. Could he possibly be suffering still from that 8 hour game in #6, mentally drained perhaps and Carlsen to be more aggressive in game 8 to push his opponent knowing the previous game 7 was gruelling and 6 a marathon? Where did you find these odds? I see that those bookmakers who still accept bets on the outcome of the whole match are ready to give only 1.02 for Magnus. 1.25 is easy money and just a gift in this situation. The odds for tomorrow's match are: 5.50 - 1.40 - 5.40 As before, I believe that the draw is profitable, besides, I believe that Nepo should win at least one game, so the 5.5 odds when playing with white looks attractive. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on December 07, 2021, 06:54:25 PM <...> Some mentioned that the commentators (e.g. Caruana, Ashley, etc.) were somehow harsh on the comments against Nepo but again, in this kind of competition, accuracy and patience are the winning key. With two (2) games down to Nepo, I do think that the title is decided already. I can't even imagine the pressure of battling for more than 7h in a game must be really hard for them and energy consuming but why so many games? I'd would understand 5 or 7 games but having 10+ is really necessary? Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Boristhecat on December 08, 2021, 10:59:11 AM I can't even imagine the pressure of battling for more than 7h in a game must be really hard for them and energy consuming but why so many games? I'd would understand 5 or 7 games but having 10+ is really necessary? Yes, this is necessary because it is not a lottery here, but an exact determination of who is stronger in chess. Judging by your surprise, you have never heard of the first Karpov-Kasparov match (when there was still no limit on the number of games and draw games were not taken into account). Look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Chess_Championship_1984 48 games in a row! The odds for today's game are: 3.20 1.50 9.80 Nepo is really demoralized, but the odds of a draw and his victory are still very good. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on December 08, 2021, 01:40:12 PM totally agree it shouldn't be a lottery @Boristhecat
I just thought it would be possible to have reliable results with less games, but well, if before we had 48 games in a row (didn't know that), and now we have 14, we came a long way! ;) Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Cnut237 on December 08, 2021, 06:25:37 PM Nepo is really demoralized, but the odds of a draw and his victory are still very good. It was a draw, but the last few days have definitely demoralised him. He has no chance of winning the championship, but if he plays conservatively and keeps drawing, then he's lost by three points without winning even one game. I wondered if he might play a more risky strategy from now on, in the hopes of getting just one win on the board. Losing by four points is no different to losing by three points, but getting even one win at this stage might mean something to him. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on December 09, 2021, 12:03:08 PM Nice Draw, that was a really clean game,
Lichess blog post is updated with all the games up to game number 10, linking it again for those who may want to check (https://lichess.org/blog/YaqhUBEAACIAu7T1/carlsen-versus-nepomniachtchi-fide-world-championship-round-6). here are the moves of Game 10 with comments but it's much better to check it on the website with the interactive board. Code: In the press conference after game 9 Magnus was asked, when he had just a 1 game lead, if he picked solid and sound continuations (Like move 10 Qe1 in Game 8). Now, when he has a 3 games lead, what shall we expect in the following 5 games in terms of the style of play? On this, Magnus replied it's more up to Ian.1.e4e52.Nf3Nf6Petroff Defense.3.Nxe5 Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Boristhecat on December 10, 2021, 10:39:26 AM The odds for today's (11th game in the series) are:
6.30 1.50 3.90 Nepo plays white, but his chances are estimated to be about twice as bad as Magnus, and the draw has an amazing odds of 1.5. In my opinion, a bet on either of the first two outcomes or both at once looks like super profitable. It seems to me that Nepo has already come to terms with the defeat in the match, calmed down and is now able to play some good games, at least he will not allow such catastrophes as after the first defeat. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: LUCKMCFLY on December 10, 2021, 03:39:34 PM for those interested on seeing the games in an interactive way, where you can go back and see comments on each move lichess has this published article with the 7 games and the interactive board it's really usefull https://lichess.org/blog/YaqhUBEAACIAu7T1/carlsen-versus-nepomniachtchi-fide-world-championship-round-6 example of Game6 moves + comments: (on the website it's a bit better because you have the board too) Code: 1.d4No 1.e4 today. Magnus wasn't impressed by his play against the Petroff Defense and decides to return to 1.d4.1...Nf62.Nf3d53.g3e64.Bg2Be75.O-OO-O6.b3!?Catalan without Thank you very much again, in some plays it is sometimes difficult to understand their origin, but as the game unleashes it is where each play begins to mesh that sometimes when analyzing it at the beginning you do not understand the reason for the movement, the best all is that these chess players have a very high vision of the game, I know they are good at predicting many possible scenarios and if there are 4 or 5 possible scenarios according to the other's play, they are filtering the best option to play, some people They only focus on making the best intro, or the best defense, perhaps some seek as a strategy to position themselves well to attack, but these people sometimes do not even use those theories. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: eaLiTy on December 10, 2021, 06:58:34 PM So the tournament is finally over at Game 11 and we do not see the rest of the matches because Magnus Carlsen won comprehensively with 7½ points and i did not expect much from Ian Nepomniachtchi as he made blunders in this match which gave Magnus Carlsen the opportunity to finish him and it was a great game, but i missed some of the matches and i need to see those game play and replicate that to understand the game.
Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: bekti3 on December 10, 2021, 07:02:26 PM So the tournament is finally over at Game 11 and we do not see the rest of the matches because Magnus Carlsen won comprehensively with 7½ points and i did not expect much from Ian Nepomniachtchi as he made blunders in this match which gave Magnus Carlsen the opportunity to finish him and it was a great game, but i missed some of the matches and i need to see those game play and replicate that to understand the game. Nepo played pretty badly and I think this is a pretty fatal blunder.Actually in the previous matches I still expected a new champion here but after this match I feel Magnus will still be in control and hold the record as a chess master who has successfully defended his title in recent years. I am now completely on Magnus' side Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: babygun on December 11, 2021, 12:10:18 AM In the end, it was an easy win for Carlsen (7.5 vs 3.5). Nepo made some blunders in 3 games and this has proven to be fatal for him. I did expect that Carlsen would retain his world title but couldn't really imagine that it would be so simple for him to do it.
Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Kemarit on December 11, 2021, 12:33:57 AM In the end, it was an easy win for Carlsen (7.5 vs 3.5). Nepo made some blunders in 3 games and this has proven to be fatal for him. I did expect that Carlsen would retain his world title but couldn't really imagine that it would be so simple for him to do it. Yes mate, I thought it will go down the wire or even a draw. But Carlsen took the advantage of every Nepo blunders in their game. It was one of the lopsided match and it was a complete meltdown for Nepo. So now, we have no doubt that we is the best chess player in the world in the last couple of years. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Obito on December 11, 2021, 05:37:56 AM In the end, it was an easy win for Carlsen (7.5 vs 3.5). Nepo made some blunders in 3 games and this has proven to be fatal for him. I did expect that Carlsen would retain his world title but couldn't really imagine that it would be so simple for him to do it. You can't make any blunders when you're up against the World Champion, Carlsen will have a way to exploit that weakness and capitalize on it. At the least, he played like a contender for world champion. Carlsen would probably hold the title for a long time because I think that he is still unparalleled when it comes to chess so far.Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Boristhecat on December 11, 2021, 06:21:53 AM So the tournament is finally over at Game 11 and we do not see the rest of the matches because Magnus Carlsen won comprehensively with 7½ points and i did not expect much from Ian Nepomniachtchi as he made blunders in this match which gave Magnus Carlsen the opportunity to finish him and it was a great game, but i missed some of the matches and i need to see those game play and replicate that to understand the game. This confrontation reminded me of some boxing fights when, before the first knockout, there is complete equality in the ring, and after one of the boxers is knocked out, he can no longer recover and the remaining rounds become a formality. After the first defeat, Nepo disintegrated and ceased resistance. It's a pity. Apparently Magnus has a few more years before a new generation of players like Firouja gain strength and dethrone him. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Davidvictorson on December 11, 2021, 06:32:48 AM In the end, it was an easy win for Carlsen (7.5 vs 3.5). Nepo made some blunders in 3 games and this has proven to be fatal for him. I did expect that Carlsen would retain his world title but couldn't really imagine that it would be so simple for him to do it. Yes mate, I thought it will go down the wire or even a draw. But Carlsen took the advantage of every Nepo blunders in their game. It was one of the lopsided match and it was a complete meltdown for Nepo. So now, we have no doubt that we is the best chess player in the world in the last couple of years. Carlsen really took his time to calculate everything when he had a winning position. Meanwhile, Nepo blitzed out moves in critical moments. Before c5, there was the option to play b4 instead of bxa3, but Nepo just instantly grabbed the pawn. He played c5 with some 50 mins on the clock vs 15 for Carlsen. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: qwertyup23 on December 11, 2021, 10:40:11 AM In the end, it was an easy win for Carlsen (7.5 vs 3.5). Nepo made some blunders in 3 games and this has proven to be fatal for him. I did expect that Carlsen would retain his world title but couldn't really imagine that it would be so simple for him to do it. Yes mate, I thought it will go down the wire or even a draw. But Carlsen took the advantage of every Nepo blunders in their game. It was one of the lopsided match and it was a complete meltdown for Nepo. So now, we have no doubt that we is the best chess player in the world in the last couple of years. Carlsen really took his time to calculate everything when he had a winning position. Meanwhile, Nepo blitzed out moves in critical moments. Before c5, there was the option to play b4 instead of bxa3, but Nepo just instantly grabbed the pawn. He played c5 with some 50 mins on the clock vs 15 for Carlsen. As someone who is a big fan of Magnus, I am personally saddened by the state of Nepo in the WC 2021. After game 6, he somehow went downhill especially that in yesterday's games, he blundered which gave Magnus a +4.6 advantage which he slowly raked through the game and converted it to a win! Magnus retained his 5th WC title but props to Nepo for the brilliant games he played. He definitely challenged Magnus and put up a good fight but at the end, the champion still reigned. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: aoluain on December 12, 2021, 01:38:05 PM In the end, it was an easy win for Carlsen (7.5 vs 3.5). Nepo made some blunders in 3 games and this has proven to be fatal for him. I did expect that Carlsen would retain his world title but couldn't really imagine that it would be so simple for him to do it. Yes mate, I thought it will go down the wire or even a draw. But Carlsen took the advantage of every Nepo blunders in their game. It was one of the lopsided match and it was a complete meltdown for Nepo. So now, we have no doubt that we is the best chess player in the world in the last couple of years. Carlsen really took his time to calculate everything when he had a winning position. Meanwhile, Nepo blitzed out moves in critical moments. Before c5, there was the option to play b4 instead of bxa3, but Nepo just instantly grabbed the pawn. He played c5 with some 50 mins on the clock vs 15 for Carlsen. As someone who is a big fan of Magnus, I am personally saddened by the state of Nepo in the WC 2021. After game 6, he somehow went downhill especially that in yesterday's games, he blundered which gave Magnus a +4.6 advantage which he slowly raked through the game and converted it to a win! Magnus retained his 5th WC title but props to Nepo for the brilliant games he played. He definitely challenged Magnus and put up a good fight but at the end, the champion still reigned. Yes it seemed that in the early games it was going to be very close between them with the title possible to go to either oponent but when Carlsen won that 6th game it seems that he broke the deadlock and was able to beat Nepo's game plans. Thinking back to the first 5 games, Carlsen arguably learned more about Nepo's play than the other way around. would that be a fair assesment? https://en.chessbase.com/post/world-championship-2021-g11 Quote Then came game 6, the turning point of the confrontation. In a marathon game, which will be repeatedly analysed in the near future, Carlsen came out on top after a rollercoaster battle. The game lasted almost 8 hours and, in hindsight, had a major impact in Nepo’s psychological shape. What followed was nothing short of a disaster for the Russian, who lost three games after horribly blundering simple tactical tricks — especially for players of the highest level. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Boristhecat on December 12, 2021, 09:01:28 PM At the moment, a scandal has erupted in Russia due to the fact that Magnus published the list of his team members and there was a grandmaster from Russia - Daniil Dubov. Dubov has been cooperating with Magnus for a long time and in fact it was expected, but for some reason many Russian grandmasters (and officials) assessed this as a "betrayal" and attacked Dubov with criticism.
An interesting situation, but it seems to me that the main reason is that they are only dissatisfied with the result of the Magnus-Nepo match and this is just a way to pour out their emotions. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: aoluain on December 13, 2021, 07:31:57 AM That seems a bit bizzare, who wouldnt given the chance want to work with Carlsen
after all he is the number 1. This happens all the time in all sports, there is a mix of nationalities in any team even national teams the manager might be from a different country and ends up playing against his or hers native country. Was this an issue before the tournament started? I agree that the Russians are just venting their emotions. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: coco23 on December 13, 2021, 12:16:03 PM That seems a bit bizzare, who wouldnt given the chance want to work with Carlsen Yea I also find this weird. I didn't know nationality is such a big thing in chess. It is mostly pictured as a competition between individuals, at least more so than other sports....after all he is the number 1. This happens all the time in all sports, there is a mix of nationalities in any team even national teams the manager might be from a different country and ends up playing against his or hers native country. Was this an issue before the tournament started? I agree that the Russians are just venting their emotions. Was this "complaining of the loser" such an issue in the past? Seems to happen more frequently nowadays... Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: qwertyup23 on December 13, 2021, 04:00:06 PM At the moment, a scandal has erupted in Russia due to the fact that Magnus published the list of his team members and there was a grandmaster from Russia - Daniil Dubov. Dubov has been cooperating with Magnus for a long time and in fact it was expected, but for some reason many Russian grandmasters (and officials) assessed this as a "betrayal" and attacked Dubov with criticism. An interesting situation, but it seems to me that the main reason is that they are only dissatisfied with the result of the Magnus-Nepo match and this is just a way to pour out their emotions. Sergey Karjakin tweeted a jab against Dubov for supporting Carlsen but he forgot about the fact that he used to train in the UK and later on pledged his loyalty to Putin. Again, this is not an issue about patriotism as chess is an international sport with two people fighting for the world title. It should not be political (although the history depicts it as such) and should only focus on talent of the players. If that were the case also, then Kasparov should be under scandal when he trained Magnus when he was young, also Karpov. I really do think that the Russians are going too overboard on this issue especially that they tackled on the topic about 'patriotism' when such is not the case. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Boristhecat on December 14, 2021, 09:20:29 AM At the moment, a scandal has erupted in Russia due to the fact that Magnus published the list of his team members and there was a grandmaster from Russia - Daniil Dubov. Dubov has been cooperating with Magnus for a long time and in fact it was expected, but for some reason many Russian grandmasters (and officials) assessed this as a "betrayal" and attacked Dubov with criticism. An interesting situation, but it seems to me that the main reason is that they are only dissatisfied with the result of the Magnus-Nepo match and this is just a way to pour out their emotions. Sergey Karjakin tweeted a jab against Dubov for supporting Carlsen but he forgot about the fact that he used to train in the UK and later on pledged his loyalty to Putin. Again, this is not an issue about patriotism as chess is an international sport with two people fighting for the world title. It should not be political (although the history depicts it as such) and should only focus on talent of the players. If that were the case also, then Kasparov should be under scandal when he trained Magnus when he was young, also Karpov. I really do think that the Russians are going too overboard on this issue especially that they tackled on the topic about 'patriotism' when such is not the case. I am from Russia myself, so I can say that this scandal has many layers and is actively developing - a large part of the Russian-speaking chess community has already been drawn into it. In fact, I am shocked by the opinions of many respected chess players who are now showing aggression towards Dubov, demanding his exclusion from the national team, etc. This is not patriotism, but some kind of cave-like emotions, I am surprised that intellectual people show them so clearly. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: aoluain on December 14, 2021, 07:12:35 PM At the moment, a scandal has erupted in Russia due to the fact that Magnus published the list of his team members and there was a grandmaster from Russia - Daniil Dubov. Dubov has been cooperating with Magnus for a long time and in fact it was expected, but for some reason many Russian grandmasters (and officials) assessed this as a "betrayal" and attacked Dubov with criticism. An interesting situation, but it seems to me that the main reason is that they are only dissatisfied with the result of the Magnus-Nepo match and this is just a way to pour out their emotions. Sergey Karjakin tweeted a jab against Dubov for supporting Carlsen but he forgot about the fact that he used to train in the UK and later on pledged his loyalty to Putin. Again, this is not an issue about patriotism as chess is an international sport with two people fighting for the world title. It should not be political (although the history depicts it as such) and should only focus on talent of the players. If that were the case also, then Kasparov should be under scandal when he trained Magnus when he was young, also Karpov. I really do think that the Russians are going too overboard on this issue especially that they tackled on the topic about 'patriotism' when such is not the case. I am from Russia myself, so I can say that this scandal has many layers and is actively developing - a large part of the Russian-speaking chess community has already been drawn into it. In fact, I am shocked by the opinions of many respected chess players who are now showing aggression towards Dubov, demanding his exclusion from the national team, etc. This is not patriotism, but some kind of cave-like emotions, I am surprised that intellectual people show them so clearly. OMG some people need to relax, its just a sport, it isnt actually war games, it isnt Russia against some other power. Indeed its two players pitting their skills against each other with a team of their choosing. Actually its similar to tennis in that its an individual sport but a big supporting team in the background, usually of different nationalities. This thing now is very idealistic Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on December 15, 2021, 02:06:26 PM <..> This is not patriotism, but some kind of cave-like emotions, I am surprised that intellectual people show them so clearly. well, maybe we can go deeper on the subject and realize that patriotism is in reality a cave-like emotion that after all doesn't make a lot of sense... I agree with @aoluain that people need to relax Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: South Park on December 15, 2021, 08:13:04 PM So the tournament is finally over at Game 11 and we do not see the rest of the matches because Magnus Carlsen won comprehensively with 7½ points and i did not expect much from Ian Nepomniachtchi as he made blunders in this match which gave Magnus Carlsen the opportunity to finish him and it was a great game, but i missed some of the matches and i need to see those game play and replicate that to understand the game. This confrontation reminded me of some boxing fights when, before the first knockout, there is complete equality in the ring, and after one of the boxers is knocked out, he can no longer recover and the remaining rounds become a formality. After the first defeat, Nepo disintegrated and ceased resistance. It's a pity. Apparently Magnus has a few more years before a new generation of players like Firouja gain strength and dethrone him. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: qwertyup23 on December 17, 2021, 02:28:54 PM Did you guys learn about the recent news on Magnus, announcing that he would not participate in the next WC championship if his opponent is not Firouzja? What are your thoughts on his statement about it?
In my opinion, the preparation of the WC title is too demanding especially that it takes around months of preparation and focus needed. Maybe Carlsen does not have to prove anything as he is considered the best player in today's generation. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: babygun on December 17, 2021, 04:05:58 PM Did you guys learn about the recent news on Magnus, announcing that he would not participate in the next WC championship if his opponent is not Firouzja? What are your thoughts on his statement about it? In my opinion, the preparation of the WC title is too demanding especially that it takes around months of preparation and focus needed. Maybe Carlsen does not have to prove anything as he is considered the best player in today's generation. I also read the news and lets hope that he still wants to defend his title even if his opponent is not Firouzja. I can understand Carlsen, as you say, a preparation for the WC title is very demanding and time consuming but it would be a pity if he doesn't participate. Also for his opponents it would be bad news as you always want to win against the best. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on December 17, 2021, 10:56:29 PM Did you guys learn about the recent news on Magnus, announcing that he would not participate in the next WC championship if his opponent is not Firouzja? What are your thoughts on his statement about it? In my opinion, the preparation of the WC title is too demanding especially that it takes around months of preparation and focus needed. Maybe Carlsen does not have to prove anything as he is considered the best player in today's generation. I also read the news and lets hope that he still wants to defend his title even if his opponent is not Firouzja. I can understand Carlsen, as you say, a preparation for the WC title is very demanding and time consuming but it would be a pity if he doesn't participate. Also for his opponents it would be bad news as you always want to win against the best. yes, agree with babygun here I haven't read these news yet, but would be nice for his opponent to have a chance against the best though we don't know their personal goals and life besides career too, maybe he wants to pursue other things Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: alegotardo on December 17, 2021, 11:43:11 PM Did you guys learn about the recent news on Magnus, announcing that he would not participate in the next WC championship if his opponent is not Firouzja? What are your thoughts on his statement about it? In my opinion, the preparation of the WC title is too demanding especially that it takes around months of preparation and focus needed. Maybe Carlsen does not have to prove anything as he is considered the best player in today's generation. It takes a lot of nerds to create certain snags and disagreements like that. I like chess a lot, but for me it was never more than a hoobie and honestly I can't understand what would make a high level athlete like that not to win a world tournament because he doesn't agree that his opponent is any other. Have you ever thought if something similar happened at the FIFA World Cup? It would be completely insane! Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: qwertyup23 on December 18, 2021, 06:23:48 AM Did you guys learn about the recent news on Magnus, announcing that he would not participate in the next WC championship if his opponent is not Firouzja? What are your thoughts on his statement about it? In my opinion, the preparation of the WC title is too demanding especially that it takes around months of preparation and focus needed. Maybe Carlsen does not have to prove anything as he is considered the best player in today's generation. It takes a lot of nerds to create certain snags and disagreements like that. I like chess a lot, but for me it was never more than a hoobie and honestly I can't understand what would make a high level athlete like that not to win a world tournament because he doesn't agree that his opponent is any other. Have you ever thought if something similar happened at the FIFA World Cup? It would be completely insane! I somehow agree with your post but I think we have to consider the amount of preparation that these players go through every time they participate in the WC championship. As Magnus had mentioned, it took him months and months of intense focus and preparation but he feels like he does not have to prove anything to anyone in classical format. Though Carlsen mentioned that he was looking forward for the blitz and rapid championship with motivates him further. In addition, he also did mention that his next goal would be to break the 2900 rating barrier. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: aoluain on December 18, 2021, 08:08:54 AM Did you guys learn about the recent news on Magnus, announcing that he would not participate in the next WC championship if his opponent is not Firouzja? What are your thoughts on his statement about it? In my opinion, the preparation of the WC title is too demanding especially that it takes around months of preparation and focus needed. Maybe Carlsen does not have to prove anything as he is considered the best player in today's generation. I also read the news and lets hope that he still wants to defend his title even if his opponent is not Firouzja. I can understand Carlsen, as you say, a preparation for the WC title is very demanding and time consuming but it would be a pity if he doesn't participate. Also for his opponents it would be bad news as you always want to win against the best. yes, agree with babygun here I haven't read these news yet, but would be nice for his opponent to have a chance against the best though we don't know their personal goals and life besides career too, maybe he wants to pursue other things Yes I agree too, it is always exciting to see the top players play each other, especially numbers 1 and 2, but it doesnt always work out like that and it is not a guarantee that it would produce the best matches, and this is true for all sports really. Does Carlsen mean he wants to play Firouzja at some stage in the tournament or in the final? surely he cannot make demands like that? Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on December 19, 2021, 06:13:22 PM Did you guys learn about the recent news on Magnus, announcing that he would not participate in the next WC championship if his opponent is not Firouzja? What are your thoughts on his statement about it? In my opinion, the preparation of the WC title is too demanding especially that it takes around months of preparation and focus needed. Maybe Carlsen does not have to prove anything as he is considered the best player in today's generation. It takes a lot of nerds to create certain snags and disagreements like that. I like chess a lot, but for me it was never more than a hoobie and honestly I can't understand what would make a high level athlete like that not to win a world tournament because he doesn't agree that his opponent is any other. Have you ever thought if something similar happened at the FIFA World Cup? It would be completely insane! you are right,but I'd compare it with sports with one athlete maybe like tennis instead of team sports, because it's easier to know the opinions of 1 person than team ones, I wouldn't see so many situations happening like that with big teams, makes sense? Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: qwertyup23 on December 20, 2021, 06:32:58 PM Yes I agree too, it is always exciting to see the top players play each other, especially numbers 1 and 2, but it doesnt always work out like that and it is not a guarantee that it would produce the best matches, and this is true for all sports really. Does Carlsen mean he wants to play Firouzja at some stage in the tournament or in the final? surely he cannot make demands like that? Carlsen wanted to play against Firouzja in the next WC classical championship match since he sees the potential of him being the next world champion. If you would see the games that Alireza played, he performed exceptionally well especially that he became the youngest player to break the 2800 rating. Of course, Carlsen CANNOT make any demands like that but he certainly may inspire Alireza to perform better so that the latter could participate in the next candidates next year. Like what Magnus mentioned, he is undoubtedly looking forward to play against him. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: ajochems on December 20, 2021, 06:50:05 PM https://i.imgur.com/yyuuBbS.png 6 days left before the start of the championship battle between the reigning champions Magnus Carlsen and the winner of the Candidates Tournament Ian Nepomniachtchi. There is a rather long distance ahead - at least 14 matches, if they do not reveal the winners, then a tie-break will take place (the previous time Magnus defended his title in a tie-break, since all the classic 12 matches ended in a draw). Carlsen looks like the most obvious favorite, and the odds of his victory (in classic games, excluding the tie-break) look abnormally profitable: 1.9 Nepomniachtchi odds 3.3 and draw odds 4.0 Will anyone be placing bets on this event? Chess is wonderful gave with huge tactics. The person who doing the first mistake will be loser at the end. Once the opponent use the wrong move correctly.With this the person who taken the next person queen will be the winner for 90%. This two players game was unique and watched by all chess lovers.Even I was addicted to chess and don't miss those people matches at anycost. You will win, if you keep on learning by playing chess. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on December 21, 2021, 12:16:39 PM <...> I remember a friend telling me that usually in basic games the one who makes less mistakes will win but when you get to more advanced level there are strategies and tatics to develop, so it's not only about avoiding mistakes but also about having a good strategy I agree that chess is a fascinating and challenging game Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Boristhecat on December 21, 2021, 01:56:40 PM I think these words of Magnus about the next world championship and Firouja are still a joke. Magnus has always behaved as adequately as possible and it is difficult to expect that he will insist on such an absurdity. But even for this joke, Magnus received a lot of criticism from the entire chess community (and I must admit it was fair).
The only thing that worries me about the next world championship is that no one wants (at least I don't see any serious movement in this direction) to change the tournament formula. The format when the reigning champion remains above the fight and waits for a single contender has long outlived its usefulness. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on December 21, 2021, 07:43:44 PM I think these words of Magnus about the next world championship and Firouja are still a joke. Magnus has always behaved as adequately as possible and it is difficult to expect that he will insist on such an absurdity. But even for this joke, Magnus received a lot of criticism from the entire chess community (and I must admit it was fair). The only thing that worries me about the next world championship is that no one wants (at least I don't see any serious movement in this direction) to change the tournament formula. The format when the reigning champion remains above the fight and waits for a single contender has long outlived its usefulness. which way you think it would be better? champion competing from the beginning so we'd have the possibility to see totally new players on the finals, past champion wouldn't have a guaranteed spot? (I'm not fully sure on how it works nowadays, just had an idea from your comment) Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Boristhecat on December 22, 2021, 09:24:43 AM I think these words of Magnus about the next world championship and Firouja are still a joke. Magnus has always behaved as adequately as possible and it is difficult to expect that he will insist on such an absurdity. But even for this joke, Magnus received a lot of criticism from the entire chess community (and I must admit it was fair). The only thing that worries me about the next world championship is that no one wants (at least I don't see any serious movement in this direction) to change the tournament formula. The format when the reigning champion remains above the fight and waits for a single contender has long outlived its usefulness. which way you think it would be better? champion competing from the beginning so we'd have the possibility to see totally new players on the finals, past champion wouldn't have a guaranteed spot? (I'm not fully sure on how it works nowadays, just had an idea from your comment) Any system where the reigning champion will not have privileges and where he will start the fight for the crown from the same stage as other contenders. It can be a round robin or cup system, or a round robin with the transition to elimination matches. Any system will be better than the old one, which has already lost its relevance for 50 (or more) years. Imagine that in football, the reigning champion is waiting for his opponent in the final. This is complete nonsense, but in chess it is a reality. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: LUCKMCFLY on December 22, 2021, 10:11:42 PM https://i.imgur.com/yyuuBbS.png 6 days left before the start of the championship battle between the reigning champions Magnus Carlsen and the winner of the Candidates Tournament Ian Nepomniachtchi. There is a rather long distance ahead - at least 14 matches, if they do not reveal the winners, then a tie-break will take place (the previous time Magnus defended his title in a tie-break, since all the classic 12 matches ended in a draw). Carlsen looks like the most obvious favorite, and the odds of his victory (in classic games, excluding the tie-break) look abnormally profitable: 1.9 Nepomniachtchi odds 3.3 and draw odds 4.0 Will anyone be placing bets on this event? Chess is wonderful gave with huge tactics. The person who doing the first mistake will be loser at the end. Once the opponent use the wrong move correctly.With this the person who taken the next person queen will be the winner for 90%. This two players game was unique and watched by all chess lovers.Even I was addicted to chess and don't miss those people matches at anycost. You will win, if you keep on learning by playing chess. I don't know if the chess21 site still exists, but it was one of the ones I frequented the most when I was in college studying engineering, and one of the things I liked the most was playing soccer, going to play chess and of course going to college. classes, but many times due to chess fever I missed some classes that were not so relevant to the career, it is that I am really passionate about chess, and even so there are moves that these athletes make that I still do not understand, I only understand them when I analyze them many times. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on December 23, 2021, 01:29:55 PM <..> Any system where the reigning champion will not have privileges and where he will start the fight for the crown from the same stage as other contenders. It can be a round robin or cup system, or a round robin with the transition to elimination matches. Any system will be better than the old one, which has already lost its relevance for 50 (or more) years. Imagine that in football, the reigning champion is waiting for his opponent in the final. This is complete nonsense, but in chess it is a reality. makes sense and I agree with you only thing is that I dont think it's valid to compare chess with team sports like football since it's really different realities better to compare it with solo games like golf or tennis, but even then there are differences too Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Shamm on December 23, 2021, 01:42:37 PM <..> Any system where the reigning champion will not have privileges and where he will start the fight for the crown from the same stage as other contenders. It can be a round robin or cup system, or a round robin with the transition to elimination matches. Any system will be better than the old one, which has already lost its relevance for 50 (or more) years. Imagine that in football, the reigning champion is waiting for his opponent in the final. This is complete nonsense, but in chess it is a reality. makes sense and I agree with you only thing is that I dont think it's valid to compare chess with team sports like football since it's really different realities better to compare it with solo games like golf or tennis, but even then there are differences too Chess is not just easy game you need to practice a long time to be a chess player cause if you play this game you need to think higher how you can defense and offense some in other games but you can not compare the skills one to a mind one football, basketball, softballs these are the example of physical games but chess is different from them your mind was your best partners if you play chess game. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: South Park on December 23, 2021, 08:05:17 PM Yes I agree too, it is always exciting to see the top players play each other, especially numbers 1 and 2, but it doesnt always work out like that and it is not a guarantee that it would produce the best matches, and this is true for all sports really. Does Carlsen mean he wants to play Firouzja at some stage in the tournament or in the final? surely he cannot make demands like that? Carlsen wanted to play against Firouzja in the next WC classical championship match since he sees the potential of him being the next world champion. If you would see the games that Alireza played, he performed exceptionally well especially that he became the youngest player to break the 2800 rating. Of course, Carlsen CANNOT make any demands like that but he certainly may inspire Alireza to perform better so that the latter could participate in the next candidates next year. Like what Magnus mentioned, he is undoubtedly looking forward to play against him. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: paxmao on December 24, 2021, 02:15:47 AM I think that the odds favour Carlsen, but not as much as to give the advantage that some of the bookies are giving. Nepomniachtchi (heck... let's call him Nepo) is particularly good at beating Carlsen, while only being the number 4 officially, he is the one that can actually cause trouble to the all powerful guy Magnus (has anyone noticed that the name means "overly great" in Latin. Well, the show seems to be over now with so much advantage from Magnus, but that is perhaps when the best may be more interesting and rewarding.
Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: famososMuertos on December 24, 2021, 04:38:23 AM <..> Any system where the reigning champion will not have privileges and where he will start the fight for the crown from the same stage as other contenders. It can be a round robin or cup system, or a round robin with the transition to elimination matches. Any system will be better than the old one, which has already lost its relevance for 50 (or more) years. Imagine that in football, the reigning champion is waiting for his opponent in the final. This is complete nonsense, but in chess it is a reality. makes sense and I agree with you only thing is that I dont think it's valid to compare chess with team sports like football since it's really different realities better to compare it with solo games like golf or tennis, but even then there are differences too I think that no sport has a comparison in the equivalent, it is the science sport say out there, but some do not consider it a sport, although it is officially recognized as a sport. When chess is played for entertainment or as a board game as such, it does not occur to anyone to call it a sport, but when you spend 10 hours sitting or more playing and the consequent mental effort it requires, then you end up understanding that it can be considered a sport, in the equivalent that we could usually tie to it is badminton, which has even been an Olympic sport. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Boristhecat on December 24, 2021, 03:22:21 PM I think that no sport has a comparison in the equivalent, it is the science sport say out there, but some do not consider it a sport, although it is officially recognized as a sport. When chess is played for entertainment or as a board game as such, it does not occur to anyone to call it a sport, but when you spend 10 hours sitting or more playing and the consequent mental effort it requires, then you end up understanding that it can be considered a sport, in the equivalent that we could usually tie to it is badminton, which has even been an Olympic sport. This is an ordinary sport in my opinion, but of course there are many curiosities associated with chess - for example, when Carlsen became world champion for the first time, in Norway they could not give him an award as the best athlete of the year, since in Norway chess was not considered a sport at that time and was not particularly at all popular. I personally knew a chess player (now he is an international grandmaster) - he went to the gym along with fitness fans because he said that in order to sit 10 hours a day at the board, you need a lot of energy. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: coco23 on December 24, 2021, 03:44:46 PM I think that no sport has a comparison in the equivalent, it is the science sport say out there, but some do not consider it a sport, although it is officially recognized as a sport. I guess the same can be applied to many e-sport games. Chess is probably the most similar to e-sports of the "traditional" sportsWhen chess is played for entertainment or as a board game as such, it does not occur to anyone to call it a sport, but when you spend 10 hours sitting or more playing and the consequent mental effort it requires, then you end up understanding that it can be considered a sport, in the equivalent that we could usually tie to it is badminton, which has even been an Olympic sport. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: wildan88 on December 24, 2021, 05:16:07 PM Chess is also available on many sites to bet on. It seems that the Norwegian is just too good. Have also read that he owns all titles in the chess circuit. That Russian isn't that bad, is it?
According to the rankings from the world. Still, Carlsen won with great force majeure. In chess, there is only 1 game played. A big advantage for the reigning world champion, who only has to defeat 1 opponent in this way. Weird format actually, if you think about it. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on December 28, 2021, 08:47:08 PM I think that no sport has a comparison in the equivalent, it is the science sport say out there, but some do not consider it a sport, although it is officially recognized as a sport. When chess is played for entertainment or as a board game as such, it does not occur to anyone to call it a sport, but when you spend 10 hours sitting or more playing and the consequent mental effort it requires, then you end up understanding that it can be considered a sport, in the equivalent that we could usually tie to it is badminton, which has even been an Olympic sport. totally makes sense since chess can be really demanding for the mind and even for the body, focusing 10h+ on a game is probably really tiresome Chess is also available on many sites to bet on. which sites? any of these are crypto only? Chess is not just easy game you need to practice a long time to be a chess player cause if you play this game you need to think higher how you can defense and offense some in other games but you can not compare the skills one to a mind one football, basketball, softballs these are the example of physical games but chess is different from them your mind was your best partners if you play chess game. it's hard to compare different games but chess is definitely hard these Grand masters can see 5 or more plays and calculate a lot in terms of future possibilities it's really impressive Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: aoluain on December 30, 2021, 07:37:41 AM I think that no sport has a comparison in the equivalent, it is the science sport say out there, but some do not consider it a sport, although it is officially recognized as a sport. When chess is played for entertainment or as a board game as such, it does not occur to anyone to call it a sport, but when you spend 10 hours sitting or more playing and the consequent mental effort it requires, then you end up understanding that it can be considered a sport, in the equivalent that we could usually tie to it is badminton, which has even been an Olympic sport. totally makes sense since chess can be really demanding for the mind and even for the body, focusing 10h+ on a game is probably really tiresome Chess is a strange one as regards calling it a sport. Every other sport involves a degree of physical activity but Chess requires mental strength and agility. I'm sure players physically work out to condition the body as well as their mind because I'm sure it has been proven that a healthy body can benefit a healthy brain. Aside from the skill levels required to play top level Chess there is no physical challenge. The nearest sport I can think of which requires only skill and not a physical advantage is Darts. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on December 30, 2021, 01:54:34 PM <...> Chess is a strange one as regards calling it a sport. Every other sport involves a degree of physical activity but Chess requires mental strength and agility. I'm sure players physically work out to condition the body as well as their mind because I'm sure it has been proven that a healthy body can benefit a healthy brain. Aside from the skill levels required to play top level Chess there is no physical challenge. The nearest sport I can think of which requires only skill and not a physical advantage is Darts. you are right I'd say chess is a game and not a sport I know many don't agree with it, but when I think about sports I think about effort and sweat there's effort in chess, of course, but it's way more about the mind than about the body Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: famososMuertos on December 31, 2021, 04:09:02 PM I think that no sport has a comparison in the equivalent, it is the science sport say out there, but some do not consider it a sport, although it is officially recognized as a sport. When chess is played for entertainment or as a board game as such, it does not occur to anyone to call it a sport, but when you spend 10 hours sitting or more playing and the consequent mental effort it requires, then you end up understanding that it can be considered a sport, in the equivalent that we could usually tie to it is badminton, which has even been an Olympic sport. totally makes sense since chess can be really demanding for the mind and even for the body, focusing 10h+ on a game is probably really tiresome Chess is a strange one as regards calling it a sport. Every other sport involves a degree of physical activity but Chess requires mental strength and agility. I'm sure players physically work out to condition the body as well as their mind because I'm sure it has been proven that a healthy body can benefit a healthy brain. Aside from the skill levels required to play top level Chess there is no physical challenge. The nearest sport I can think of which requires only skill and not a physical advantage is Darts. That is the point, I think you have to live it to understand it, the fact of sitting for a few hours makes you think that there is no physical exhaustion and maybe if you do it from time to time it may not affect you, but it exhausts, the Poker is a sport in some countries, for example Brazil and that allows us to compare it, in fact, many professional poker players have switched to professional poker. Today's professional players in the chess world have a different preparation even if you compare them with past champions, their physical condition is very different. But whatever the definition of sport has to be redefined to new times, because driving a drone is considered a competitive sport today, I think that in the end it is a matter of how it is practiced and under what healthy competitive conditions it is performed. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: qwertyup23 on December 31, 2021, 05:11:51 PM I think that no sport has a comparison in the equivalent, it is the science sport say out there, but some do not consider it a sport, although it is officially recognized as a sport. When chess is played for entertainment or as a board game as such, it does not occur to anyone to call it a sport, but when you spend 10 hours sitting or more playing and the consequent mental effort it requires, then you end up understanding that it can be considered a sport, in the equivalent that we could usually tie to it is badminton, which has even been an Olympic sport. totally makes sense since chess can be really demanding for the mind and even for the body, focusing 10h+ on a game is probably really tiresome Chess is a strange one as regards calling it a sport. Every other sport involves a degree of physical activity but Chess requires mental strength and agility. I'm sure players physically work out to condition the body as well as their mind because I'm sure it has been proven that a healthy body can benefit a healthy brain. Aside from the skill levels required to play top level Chess there is no physical challenge. The nearest sport I can think of which requires only skill and not a physical advantage is Darts. I think chess can be one of the most brutal sports compared to any other sport that is recognized. While it does not involve any physical activity, the mental and psychological torture is beyond incomprehensible to us mere mortals. Imagine, playing 9-15 hours of straight chess which needs continuous concentration and focus where one mistake in your calculation can result to a loss. That is why it is definitely heartbreaking if a player lost a very long-game. That is also the reason on why classical chess is the pinnacle of any other chess mode (e.g. rapid, blitz, bullet, etc.). Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: South Park on December 31, 2021, 07:03:45 PM I think that no sport has a comparison in the equivalent, it is the science sport say out there, but some do not consider it a sport, although it is officially recognized as a sport. I guess the same can be applied to many e-sport games. Chess is probably the most similar to e-sports of the "traditional" sportsWhen chess is played for entertainment or as a board game as such, it does not occur to anyone to call it a sport, but when you spend 10 hours sitting or more playing and the consequent mental effort it requires, then you end up understanding that it can be considered a sport, in the equivalent that we could usually tie to it is badminton, which has even been an Olympic sport. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: LUCKMCFLY on January 07, 2022, 04:25:31 AM I think that no sport has a comparison in the equivalent, it is the science sport say out there, but some do not consider it a sport, although it is officially recognized as a sport. I guess the same can be applied to many e-sport games. Chess is probably the most similar to e-sports of the "traditional" sportsWhen chess is played for entertainment or as a board game as such, it does not occur to anyone to call it a sport, but when you spend 10 hours sitting or more playing and the consequent mental effort it requires, then you end up understanding that it can be considered a sport, in the equivalent that we could usually tie to it is badminton, which has even been an Olympic sport. Well I can attest that when you play chess for many hours a day you come out very tired, very hungry and wanting to sleep, in fact when I was in college that sport kept me very alert and with my thoughts at 1000%, and It really is a sport that wants to practice and practice many plays all the time, in fact there are many chess players who have so much theory that from the beginning they make very strange starts and the truth is that the strategy is very broad, it covers many strategies. What happens is that my chess technique is very traditional, there are already many master moves that are really very advanced moves. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on January 07, 2022, 01:59:17 PM <..> That is the point, I think you have to live it to understand it, the fact of sitting for a few hours makes you think that there is no physical exhaustion and maybe if you do it from time to time it may not affect you, but it exhausts, the Poker is a sport in some countries, for example Brazil and that allows us to compare it, in fact, many professional poker players have switched to professional poker. Today's professional players in the chess world have a different preparation even if you compare them with past champions, their physical condition is very different. But whatever the definition of sport has to be redefined to new times, because driving a drone is considered a competitive sport today, I think that in the end it is a matter of how it is practiced and under what healthy competitive conditions it is performed. I agree with you that chess can be quite hard and I understand many consider it a sport, for me it's a game since sports would have sweat and more physicality as an example, I don't consider eSports as sports since they're computer games but here I'm talking a bit more on my personal definitions than the general consensus Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: romero121 on January 07, 2022, 02:41:41 PM <..> That is the point, I think you have to live it to understand it, the fact of sitting for a few hours makes you think that there is no physical exhaustion and maybe if you do it from time to time it may not affect you, but it exhausts, the Poker is a sport in some countries, for example Brazil and that allows us to compare it, in fact, many professional poker players have switched to professional poker. Today's professional players in the chess world have a different preparation even if you compare them with past champions, their physical condition is very different. But whatever the definition of sport has to be redefined to new times, because driving a drone is considered a competitive sport today, I think that in the end it is a matter of how it is practiced and under what healthy competitive conditions it is performed. I agree with you that chess can be quite hard and I understand many consider it a sport, for me it's a game since sports would have sweat and more physicality as an example, I don't consider eSports as sports since they're computer games but here I'm talking a bit more on my personal definitions than the general consensus Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: bittraffic on January 07, 2022, 03:03:36 PM <..> That is the point, I think you have to live it to understand it, the fact of sitting for a few hours makes you think that there is no physical exhaustion and maybe if you do it from time to time it may not affect you, but it exhausts, the Poker is a sport in some countries, for example Brazil and that allows us to compare it, in fact, many professional poker players have switched to professional poker. Today's professional players in the chess world have a different preparation even if you compare them with past champions, their physical condition is very different. But whatever the definition of sport has to be redefined to new times, because driving a drone is considered a competitive sport today, I think that in the end it is a matter of how it is practiced and under what healthy competitive conditions it is performed. I agree with you that chess can be quite hard and I understand many consider it a sport, for me it's a game since sports would have sweat and more physicality as an example, I don't consider eSports as sports since they're computer games but here I'm talking a bit more on my personal definitions than the general consensus Watching games like this is boring for someone not interested. I was once among the kids to represent my grade level to compete within our school but eventually lose. I think I'm the only one who knew chess in the 4th grade that time which I only learn because my father needs someone to play with. After showing him I'm not very interested in the game, he was very disappointed. He started to just play with the chess hustlers, I think chess players has to mess up with chess hustlers on parks in preparation to compete, its where they real game is. More pro than olympics. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: qwertyup23 on January 07, 2022, 04:21:24 PM What you said is true. Myself too have the same definition when it comes to chess. Maybe we can call it a mind game, because the win is much associated with the thinking and not about the physical acts. As said eSports were just a resembling of real sports, and not real sports. But the naming is done in a right way adding "e" to the sports. I find it also amusing that chess indeed is the sport that involves mentally and psychological battle between you and your opponent. The slightest mistake could definitely cost the match that may have lasted for several hours depending on the game format (e.g. classical, rapid, blitz, or bullet). Though many have argued that chess is not considered as a "real sport", I do think that suffering a loss here can be brutally painful. I am just thrilled that this sport has been widespread recognized and its popularity is steadily increasing. I just hope that more people would try it out as it is definitely enjoyable! Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: South Park on January 09, 2022, 06:44:44 PM What you said is true. Myself too have the same definition when it comes to chess. Maybe we can call it a mind game, because the win is much associated with the thinking and not about the physical acts. As said eSports were just a resembling of real sports, and not real sports. But the naming is done in a right way adding "e" to the sports. I find it also amusing that chess indeed is the sport that involves mentally and psychological battle between you and your opponent. The slightest mistake could definitely cost the match that may have lasted for several hours depending on the game format (e.g. classical, rapid, blitz, or bullet). Though many have argued that chess is not considered as a "real sport", I do think that suffering a loss here can be brutally painful. I am just thrilled that this sport has been widespread recognized and its popularity is steadily increasing. I just hope that more people would try it out as it is definitely enjoyable! But in chess this is no possible, as nothing on the board is up to chance and the one to win is simply the one that plays the best. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Boristhecat on January 09, 2022, 07:29:30 PM By the way, did anyone watch the World Rapid and Blitz Championship which ended at the end of December?
First, Magnus, due to additional indicators, took third place in rapid, and then, after he was very indignant about this, he showed an even worse result in the blitz - 12th place. This once again shows that it is high time to change the formula for playing the chess crown, and in fair conditions the reigning champion will feel much less comfortable than now. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: STT on January 09, 2022, 08:03:34 PM Quote Chess is a strange one as regards calling it a sport. Every other sport involves a degree of physical activity but Chess requires mental strength and agility. Its a sport, if people can call computer games sports with leagues and all kinds of parallels its definitely as much a sport. I get the point but the reason why it qualifies is the competitive element and the requirement to be 'fit' for the competition. So there is a degree of training and good fitness in mind at least, if you are a mess tired or just not right in some way it will mean you are no longer competitive and able to play. For these reasons I do think it is a sport. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on January 10, 2022, 12:53:05 PM Quote Chess is a strange one as regards calling it a sport. Every other sport involves a degree of physical activity but Chess requires mental strength and agility. Its a sport, if people can call computer games sports with leagues and all kinds of parallels its definitely as much a sport. I get the point but the reason why it qualifies is the competitive element and the requirement to be 'fit' for the competition. So there is a degree of training and good fitness in mind at least, if you are a mess tired or just not right in some way it will mean you are no longer competitive and able to play. For these reasons I do think it is a sport. so, trading is a sport? it also has a competitive element and it's mental imo it's not my point is that computer games are not sports either, even though people call it eSports it's a term that makes no sense let's take the definition of sports Code: Sports physical + skill not only mental, you need your body too... anyways, being a bit picky here, not sure if this matters that much but games are games, sports are sports Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: qwertyup23 on January 10, 2022, 05:07:54 PM By the way, did anyone watch the World Rapid and Blitz Championship which ended at the end of December? First, Magnus, due to additional indicators, took third place in rapid, and then, after he was very indignant about this, he showed an even worse result in the blitz - 12th place. This once again shows that it is high time to change the formula for playing the chess crown, and in fair conditions the reigning champion will feel much less comfortable than now. Unfortunately, that is where he stands right now but you also have to consider that Magnus was also preparing for the WCC 2021 while the other players are busy preparing for rapid and blitz championships. I do think that Magnus performs exceptionally well when his back is against the wall- like he is on the verge/edge of defeat. That is what sparks his interest and competitiveness that unleashes his inner instincts more compared to preparation. I do think that he will be getting his revenge by next year given that there is something that he has to prove. Being at the top can definitely make someone lose their motivation and the fact that Magnus was not able to snatch rapid and blitz championships this year, he will definitely be hungry for next year. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Boristhecat on January 10, 2022, 05:36:33 PM By the way, did anyone watch the World Rapid and Blitz Championship which ended at the end of December? First, Magnus, due to additional indicators, took third place in rapid, and then, after he was very indignant about this, he showed an even worse result in the blitz - 12th place. This once again shows that it is high time to change the formula for playing the chess crown, and in fair conditions the reigning champion will feel much less comfortable than now. Unfortunately, that is where he stands right now but you also have to consider that Magnus was also preparing for the WCC 2021 while the other players are busy preparing for rapid and blitz championships. I do think that Magnus performs exceptionally well when his back is against the wall- like he is on the verge/edge of defeat. That is what sparks his interest and competitiveness that unleashes his inner instincts more compared to preparation. I do think that he will be getting his revenge by next year given that there is something that he has to prove. Being at the top can definitely make someone lose their motivation and the fact that Magnus was not able to snatch rapid and blitz championships this year, he will definitely be hungry for next year. I follow many chess players (more precisely, I watch how they play on YouTube and Twitch) and I know for sure that most of them did not really prepare for this championship. Well, or we can say that they prepared for the championship every day - time control when playing on the Internet from a minute to a maximum of three. I think the reason for Magnus's defeat lies in his age - the advantage of young chess players in small time control is growing and after a year Magnus is unlikely to have more chances. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on January 11, 2022, 10:41:24 AM interesting, I've been playing some blitz (5 min) and rapid games (10-15 min)
It's much harder to make good decisions on the really short time frames I see it as a good way to prepare for long games but they probably play all ranges of time the habits are usually underestimated if you have a good routine of training you are always prepared for tournaments. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Boristhecat on January 12, 2022, 08:21:45 PM The strongest bullet chess championship in history ended yesterday (the time limit is 1 minute per game and you can take a berserk). By the way, the prize fund was one bitcoin.
After the first day, Carlsen was 15 points behind the leader and was in third place, and for some reason the whole second game day he played a moronic opening (king F2 for white and king F7 for black) and eventually finished outside the top ten. It looks like he is in a crisis, but is trying to pretend that everything is fine. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: babygun on January 13, 2022, 12:27:47 AM I follow many chess players (more precisely, I watch how they play on YouTube and Twitch) and I know for sure that most of them did not really prepare for this championship. Well, or we can say that they prepared for the championship every day - time control when playing on the Internet from a minute to a maximum of three. I think the reason for Magnus's defeat lies in his age - the advantage of young chess players in small time control is growing and after a year Magnus is unlikely to have more chances. I don't agree, his age has nothing to do with it. Yeah, there are a lot younger players having massive talent, but Carlsen can still beat this guys. He didn't play great in the blitz but that's how it can go sometimes. Everybody can have a bad day. I think chess is one of the only sports that an older player can still play on the top level and win championships. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on January 14, 2022, 12:14:11 PM The strongest bullet chess championship in history ended yesterday (the time limit is 1 minute per game and you can take a berserk). By the way, the prize fund was one bitcoin. After the first day, Carlsen was 15 points behind the leader and was in third place, and for some reason the whole second game day he played a moronic opening (king F2 for white and king F7 for black) and eventually finished outside the top ten. It looks like he is in a crisis, but is trying to pretend that everything is fine. who organized this championship? I'd like to read a bit more on that found only this one: https://www.chess.com/article/view/2021-bullet-chess-championship but it was last year was the prize really distributed in BTC or you converted the dollar value of the prize? curious here ;) Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Boristhecat on January 16, 2022, 08:19:25 AM The strongest bullet chess championship in history ended yesterday (the time limit is 1 minute per game and you can take a berserk). By the way, the prize fund was one bitcoin. After the first day, Carlsen was 15 points behind the leader and was in third place, and for some reason the whole second game day he played a moronic opening (king F2 for white and king F7 for black) and eventually finished outside the top ten. It looks like he is in a crisis, but is trying to pretend that everything is fine. who organized this championship? I'd like to read a bit more on that found only this one: https://www.chess.com/article/view/2021-bullet-chess-championship but it was last year was the prize really distributed in BTC or you converted the dollar value of the prize? curious here ;) The tournament was organized on the lichess platform, here is the link: https://lichess.org/tournament/qzRBGPLN As I understood from the description, the sponsor was CakeDeFi and the prizes were distributed in cryptocurrency: Quote Hello everyone and welcome to agadmator CakeDeFi Christmas Arena! I don't stream often but I like to join in now and then. Hope everyone has a great time, both watching and playing. May the fastest and most accurate player win. Flagging is of course encouraged. 1st PRIZE - 1 BTC 2nd PRIZE - 2500 DFI (about $10k) 3rd PRIZE - 500 DFI (about $2.5k) (no sharing of prizes!) Winners will be contacted after the tournament via Lichess for prize distribution. IMPORTANT : To receive the prizes, winners must have verified accounts on cakedefi.com/ as they are sponsoring and distributing the prizes. As usual, I will be streaming and showcasing your games. Enjoy :) Look at the list of participants, I think you can easily find streams of this tournament from many players (Nakamura, Nepo, Dubov, Penguin, Carlsen, Firuja, etc.) who took part, personally I watched it here: https://crestbook.com/node/10310 but there is Russian, so it is unlikely that it will be convenient for you. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: qwertyup23 on January 16, 2022, 06:44:35 PM I do not know if this is the appropriate board to discuss but earlier was the Day 2 of Tata Steel Chess where several games were interesting.
Before the games, the match between Karjakin and Dubov was really interesting as there was an ongoing feud between them during the WCC 2021 when Magnus revealed that Dubov took part on his team preparation. Though the game ended on a draw, I definitely see the friction between the two (2) players. The game between Magnus and Anish was also an intriguing one where Magnus was able to capitalize on Anish's inaccuracy. He won the game and basically forced an ending where the former would be able to win an endgame since Anish was down two pawns at the end. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on January 17, 2022, 11:31:22 AM <...> that's awesome thanks a lot for the information you are right, we can find the players on the link you provided too and check their game history and strategies as well this is the 1st place person: https://lichess.org/@/TSMFTXH and yes, russian would be hard to read here, maybe one day I'll learn it but not yet Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: South Park on January 18, 2022, 09:23:06 PM interesting, I've been playing some blitz (5 min) and rapid games (10-15 min) Time is a huge factor when taking decisions not only in chess but in almost any other activity, this means that a move that in a traditional game a player will not make because eventually his opponent will find the best line and eventually beat them can become a very strong move with the time limitations of a blitz tournament, so while in a regular game your overall ability to play is the most important factor, when it comers to blitz games your ability to trap your opponent and be quick on your feet is more important.It's much harder to make good decisions on the really short time frames I see it as a good way to prepare for long games but they probably play all ranges of time the habits are usually underestimated if you have a good routine of training you are always prepared for tournaments. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on January 19, 2022, 12:22:43 PM <..> Time is a huge factor when taking decisions not only in chess but in almost any other activity, this means that a move that in a traditional game a player will not make because eventually his opponent will find the best line and eventually beat them can become a very strong move with the time limitations of a blitz tournament, so while in a regular game your overall ability to play is the most important factor, when it comers to blitz games your ability to trap your opponent and be quick on your feet is more important.yes, that is really interesting I have a much better rating on slow games than blitz ones the strategies change a lot too blitz games sometimes ends on who are faster to avoid the clock to end, so it's not a lot about technique 100% of the times, sometimes it's fast-clicking and reaction Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Boristhecat on January 19, 2022, 03:48:02 PM <...> that's awesome thanks a lot for the information you are right, we can find the players on the link you provided too and check their game history and strategies as well this is the 1st place person: https://lichess.org/@/TSMFTXH and yes, russian would be hard to read here, maybe one day I'll learn it but not yet This is Hikaru Nakamura. He played the lichess for the first time. As I understand it, he has a contract with chess.com and he only plays there, but for the sake of this tournament he changed his principles. And I think he did not regret it - one bitcoin is an excellent prize by the standards of chess. In addition, it was an online tournament and the players did not spend money on travel, hotels, etc. I do not know if this is the appropriate board to discuss but earlier was the Day 2 of Tata Steel Chess where several games were interesting. Before the games, the match between Karjakin and Dubov was really interesting as there was an ongoing feud between them during the WCC 2021 when Magnus revealed that Dubov took part on his team preparation. Though the game ended on a draw, I definitely see the friction between the two (2) players. The game between Magnus and Anish was also an intriguing one where Magnus was able to capitalize on Anish's inaccuracy. He won the game and basically forced an ending where the former would be able to win an endgame since Anish was down two pawns at the end. Of course it will be ok to discuss all tournaments here. Chess is not very popular, so one topic is enough for them. I also follow this tournament, but classical chess takes so much time that I don't watch all the live broadcasts, mostly I watch reports about the most interesting games. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on January 20, 2022, 12:57:29 PM really cool, thanks for all the information @Boristhecat
we'll probably see more and more online chess tournaments if this trend keeps going, it's different than physical ones but you are right, players save so much with hotels, flights, etc... are there tournaments that big on all game styles? including rapid ones like 5-15 minutes? First time I hear about a prize so big for an online chess tournament Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: LUCKMCFLY on January 21, 2022, 01:07:21 AM I follow many chess players (more precisely, I watch how they play on YouTube and Twitch) and I know for sure that most of them did not really prepare for this championship. Well, or we can say that they prepared for the championship every day - time control when playing on the Internet from a minute to a maximum of three. I think the reason for Magnus's defeat lies in his age - the advantage of young chess players in small time control is growing and after a year Magnus is unlikely to have more chances. I don't agree, his age has nothing to do with it. Yeah, there are a lot younger players having massive talent, but Carlsen can still beat this guys. He didn't play great in the blitz but that's how it can go sometimes. Everybody can have a bad day. I think chess is one of the only sports that an older player can still play on the top level and win championships. Well, I also support this motion, because I have seen that many chess players in recent times are very young and have great potential, even when I was at the University there were many children who always came and played in the chess club, under which they had a great level for their age, that is why I also assume that age does not matter much here, the intellectual level, strategy and plan that they can establish is unique, and each person thinks differently, and anyone from a young age he sees clearly what he will be as an adult and more so in any sport. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: babygun on January 21, 2022, 06:27:33 PM Well, I also support this motion, because I have seen that many chess players in recent times are very young and have great potential, even when I was at the University there were many children who always came and played in the chess club, under which they had a great level for their age, that is why I also assume that age does not matter much here, the intellectual level, strategy and plan that they can establish is unique, and each person thinks differently, and anyone from a young age he sees clearly what he will be as an adult and more so in any sport. I think over time, your game will also evolve. Look at Carlsen for example: when he was young, he was a much more attacking player (sometimes maybe too attacking) but now he is more an allround player. It all comes with experience. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on January 23, 2022, 04:48:34 PM Well, I also support this motion, because I have seen that many chess players in recent times are very young and have great potential, even when I was at the University there were many children who always came and played in the chess club, under which they had a great level for their age, that is why I also assume that age does not matter much here, the intellectual level, strategy and plan that they can establish is unique, and each person thinks differently, and anyone from a young age he sees clearly what he will be as an adult and more so in any sport. I think over time, your game will also evolve. Look at Carlsen for example: when he was young, he was a much more attacking player (sometimes maybe too attacking) but now he is more an allround player. It all comes with experience. this is amazing, since chess have a huge amount of games that are recorded somehow (even if just text notation) one can observe how a player style evolve and change over time quite good material for studying and learning Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: S A KHAIR on January 25, 2022, 03:39:14 PM Well, I also support this motion, because I have seen that many chess players in recent times are very young and have great potential, even when I was at the University there were many children who always came and played in the chess club, under which they had a great level for their age, that is why I also assume that age does not matter much here, the intellectual level, strategy and plan that they can establish is unique, and each person thinks differently, and anyone from a young age he sees clearly what he will be as an adult and more so in any sport. I think over time, your game will also evolve. Look at Carlsen for example: when he was young, he was a much more attacking player (sometimes maybe too attacking) but now he is more an allround player. It all comes with experience. this is amazing, since chess have a huge amount of games that are recorded somehow (even if just text notation) one can observe how a player style evolve and change over time quite good material for studying and learning Chess is actually a very popular sport and its popularity is often overlooked. Actually, if you open twitch right now, you can see 35000 viewers watching people play chess right now. And this is also a really good way to learn and study. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Shamm on January 25, 2022, 03:45:45 PM Well, I also support this motion, because I have seen that many chess players in recent times are very young and have great potential, even when I was at the University there were many children who always came and played in the chess club, under which they had a great level for their age, that is why I also assume that age does not matter much here, the intellectual level, strategy and plan that they can establish is unique, and each person thinks differently, and anyone from a young age he sees clearly what he will be as an adult and more so in any sport. I think over time, your game will also evolve. Look at Carlsen for example: when he was young, he was a much more attacking player (sometimes maybe too attacking) but now he is more an allround player. It all comes with experience. this is amazing, since chess have a huge amount of games that are recorded somehow (even if just text notation) one can observe how a player style evolve and change over time quite good material for studying and learning Chess is actually a very popular sport and its popularity is often overlooked. Actually, if you open twitch right now, you can see 35000 viewers watching people play chess right now. And this is also a really good way to learn and study. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: LUCKMCFLY on January 25, 2022, 10:41:59 PM Well, I also support this motion, because I have seen that many chess players in recent times are very young and have great potential, even when I was at the University there were many children who always came and played in the chess club, under which they had a great level for their age, that is why I also assume that age does not matter much here, the intellectual level, strategy and plan that they can establish is unique, and each person thinks differently, and anyone from a young age he sees clearly what he will be as an adult and more so in any sport. I think over time, your game will also evolve. Look at Carlsen for example: when he was young, he was a much more attacking player (sometimes maybe too attacking) but now he is more an allround player. It all comes with experience. this is amazing, since chess have a huge amount of games that are recorded somehow (even if just text notation) one can observe how a player style evolve and change over time quite good material for studying and learning Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Minecache on January 26, 2022, 09:35:29 AM Chess game is one of the best indoors sports even though this is not that type of physical but mental is the best weapon to defeat our enemy this sports also is the best way of trained our mental health and develop our strategy. That's why I salute all the chess players cause they are have a higher critical thinking . That is true because in chess you have to think about every step that you are going to make. One wrong move can be in the game in an instant. And it takes an unbelievable amount of patience to play chess and also the view as need to be patient who wants to learn and get good on this game.this is amazing, since chess have a huge amount of games that are recorded somehow (even if just text notation) one can observe how a player style evolve and change over time quite good material for studying and learning Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on January 26, 2022, 02:13:05 PM <...> Chess is actually a very popular sport and its popularity is often overlooked. Actually, if you open twitch right now, you can see 35000 viewers watching people play chess right now. And this is also a really good way to learn and study. yes, it's quite impressive to check number of online players on lichess too, usually it's never less than 50 thousand people sometimes reaching 115 thousand connected users ready to play (or playing) Chess game is one of the best indoors sports even though this is not that type of physical but mental is the best weapon to defeat our enemy this sports also is the best way of trained our mental health and develop our strategy. That's why I salute all the chess players cause they are have a higher critical thinking . That is true because in chess you have to think about every step that you are going to make. One wrong move can be in the game in an instant. And it takes an unbelievable amount of patience to play chess and also the view as need to be patient who wants to learn and get good on this game.this is amazing, since chess have a huge amount of games that are recorded somehow (even if just text notation) one can observe how a player style evolve and change over time quite good material for studying and learning on lichess you can run your games through an AI after they happened so the AI can show you what were your mistakes, blunders serious errors, it's quite nice and you can learn a lot with it you can even see how the advantage of each player changed during the match, sometimes you move a pawn that looks like something that won't hurt at all and this simple movement makes you lose 6 points in advantage (because you put a rook or queen at risk, as an example) Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Boristhecat on January 26, 2022, 07:02:58 PM really cool, thanks for all the information @Boristhecat we'll probably see more and more online chess tournaments if this trend keeps going, it's different than physical ones but you are right, players save so much with hotels, flights, etc... are there tournaments that big on all game styles? including rapid ones like 5-15 minutes? First time I hear about a prize so big for an online chess tournament The situation with the virus blew up the world of online chess, many tournaments have already been held online and new ones have appeared: Magnus Carlsen launches online chess super-tournament (https://chess24.com/en/read/news/magnus-carlsen-launches-online-chess-super-tournament) Quite a spectacular format and a large prize pool: Quote The Magnus Carlsen Invitational The $250,000 event starts on April 18th and ends on May 3rd, with the following format: 8 players first compete in a single round-robin over 7 rounds Each match features four 15+10 rapid games, where the winner gets 3 match points & the loser 0 If the match ends 2:2 an Armageddon game (5 vs. 4 minutes) is played, with the winner getting 2 points and the loser 1 The top four players after Round 7 enter the Final Four knockout - if match points are equal, game points are the first tiebreaker The semi-finals, and final use a similar 4-game match system, except a 2:2 draw will be followed by two 5+3 blitz games, and if still drawn another two 5+3 games, and only then Armageddon It was a whole series of tournaments with a different (arbitrary) set of players, so even not the top grandmasters had a chance to prove themselves. Now the situation with the virus is calming down and we see the return of classic tournaments (like the one that is going on now), but I think online tournaments will not disappear anywhere, as they attract a huge audience due to the spectacular format. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: South Park on January 26, 2022, 07:28:35 PM <..> Time is a huge factor when taking decisions not only in chess but in almost any other activity, this means that a move that in a traditional game a player will not make because eventually his opponent will find the best line and eventually beat them can become a very strong move with the time limitations of a blitz tournament, so while in a regular game your overall ability to play is the most important factor, when it comers to blitz games your ability to trap your opponent and be quick on your feet is more important.yes, that is really interesting I have a much better rating on slow games than blitz ones the strategies change a lot too blitz games sometimes ends on who are faster to avoid the clock to end, so it's not a lot about technique 100% of the times, sometimes it's fast-clicking and reaction Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on January 27, 2022, 01:06:32 PM <...> exactly @South Park! I'd say it's a different kind of skill, not only about chess knowledge and execution but also about being able to think and react fast the clock is a totally different opponent than real people Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: LUCKMCFLY on February 01, 2022, 05:23:11 AM <..> Time is a huge factor when taking decisions not only in chess but in almost any other activity, this means that a move that in a traditional game a player will not make because eventually his opponent will find the best line and eventually beat them can become a very strong move with the time limitations of a blitz tournament, so while in a regular game your overall ability to play is the most important factor, when it comers to blitz games your ability to trap your opponent and be quick on your feet is more important.yes, that is really interesting I have a much better rating on slow games than blitz ones the strategies change a lot too blitz games sometimes ends on who are faster to avoid the clock to end, so it's not a lot about technique 100% of the times, sometimes it's fast-clicking and reaction Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on February 01, 2022, 06:48:25 PM yes, the faster the clock the more it'll happen
have you tried playing this 1 minute games on lichess? almost impossible to predict all possible scenarios so fast. Lichess has some good analysis tools too, quite useful for studying openings and game development Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: South Park on February 03, 2022, 07:59:38 PM yes, the faster the clock the more it'll happen I have tried to pay games that fast, not on lichess but against computer software, and I can say that it is a nightmare, even if play at a regular speed there are positions so complex that it is very difficult to see the right movement, and when you have such a time restriction you are playing basically out of instinct, as soon as your opponent makes its movement you need to be prepared to do yours otherwise time will pass and soon enough you will find yourself with even more problems to manage the time you have left.have you tried playing this 1 minute games on lichess? almost impossible to predict all possible scenarios so fast. Lichess has some good analysis tools too, quite useful for studying openings and game development Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Boristhecat on February 04, 2022, 12:03:39 PM I have tried to pay games that fast, not on lichess but against computer software, and I can say that it is a nightmare, even if play at a regular speed there are positions so complex that it is very difficult to see the right movement, and when you have such a time restriction you are playing basically out of instinct, as soon as your opponent makes its movement you need to be prepared to do yours otherwise time will pass and soon enough you will find yourself with even more problems to manage the time you have left. If you do not have a lot of gaming experience, then you should not play on such a short timer - there is no need to think, you need to make moves based on experience. And if you have seen games on the Internet, many players, even having a completely lost position, win the game because they make very fast moves (or pre-moves) and the opponent simply does not have time to checkmate them. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on February 04, 2022, 01:56:03 PM yes, the faster the clock the more it'll happen I have tried to pay games that fast, not on lichess but against computer software, and I can say that it is a nightmare, even if play at a regular speed there are positions so complex that it is very difficult to see the right movement, and when you have such a time restriction you are playing basically out of instinct, as soon as your opponent makes its movement you need to be prepared to do yours otherwise time will pass and soon enough you will find yourself with even more problems to manage the time you have left.have you tried playing this 1 minute games on lichess? almost impossible to predict all possible scenarios so fast. Lichess has some good analysis tools too, quite useful for studying openings and game development what helped me was reducing the time slowly over many plays... now I can play 5 minutes games without stressing so much, still better to play slower ones but I find them enjoyable, lower than that is still hard and I find it the faster the game the more addicting it gets too Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: qwertyup23 on February 04, 2022, 03:53:30 PM yes, the faster the clock the more it'll happen I have tried to pay games that fast, not on lichess but against computer software, and I can say that it is a nightmare, even if play at a regular speed there are positions so complex that it is very difficult to see the right movement, and when you have such a time restriction you are playing basically out of instinct, as soon as your opponent makes its movement you need to be prepared to do yours otherwise time will pass and soon enough you will find yourself with even more problems to manage the time you have left.have you tried playing this 1 minute games on lichess? almost impossible to predict all possible scenarios so fast. Lichess has some good analysis tools too, quite useful for studying openings and game development what helped me was reducing the time slowly over many plays... now I can play 5 minutes games without stressing so much, still better to play slower ones but I find them enjoyable, lower than that is still hard and I find it the faster the game the more addicting it gets too Lichess is a platform where it is a game of memorization and familiarization of opening repertoires and traps. Mostly, people who participate in lichess are skilled in knowing and recognizing patterns from the games they have played. That is why whenever I participate in lichess tournaments, I always blunder my pieces due to the time format of playing only under a minute. Compared to players like Magnus, Alireza, and Andrew Tang where they can instantly play at any time format due to their skill, us beginners and normal human beings will most likely blunder every single time. By the way just a recommendation, will it be possible if we could create like a "Chess Discussion Board" where we put all the relevant matches that were played instead of plaguing this board. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on February 07, 2022, 04:20:51 PM the idea for a new topic about chess is good @qwertyup23 but since it's so niche and not a lot of people post about it it's probably better to concentrate discussion here
but I don't think it's such a big problem to create a different topic for chess discussion only instead of using this one too many possibilities Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Boristhecat on February 09, 2022, 10:27:17 PM the idea for a new topic about chess is good @qwertyup23 but since it's so niche and not a lot of people post about it it's probably better to concentrate discussion here but I don't think it's such a big problem to create a different topic for chess discussion only instead of using this one too many possibilities Yes, if someone creates a new topic, then no problem (most importantly, do not forget to invite me there hehe). But for convenience (and due to the fact that the audience for discussing chess is rather narrow) I can simply rename this topic. By the way, I now tried to edit the first post of the topic and could not find the "add poll" option. Probably still worth creating a new topic, since this option is in demand and it is interesting to conduct different polls from time to time. What do you think? Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: rijaljun on February 09, 2022, 10:34:41 PM Carlsen proves unbeatable. This time he gave Nepomniachi quite a beating. You can also ask yourself whether this formula is still so fair. The winner only needs to play a final, while other players have to qualify through a tournament and beat multiple opponents. The setup should be about the same as in other sports like tennis. A tournament, and the best one to win is a champion.
Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on February 10, 2022, 01:08:11 PM the idea for a new topic about chess is good @qwertyup23 but since it's so niche and not a lot of people post about it it's probably better to concentrate discussion here but I don't think it's such a big problem to create a different topic for chess discussion only instead of using this one too many possibilities Yes, if someone creates a new topic, then no problem (most importantly, do not forget to invite me there hehe). But for convenience (and due to the fact that the audience for discussing chess is rather narrow) I can simply rename this topic. By the way, I now tried to edit the first post of the topic and could not find the "add poll" option. Probably still worth creating a new topic, since this option is in demand and it is interesting to conduct different polls from time to time. What do you think? yes, unfortunately you can't add a poll to an existing topic, you'd have to create a new one for that. I think it's worth to create a new topic too, who'll pull the trigger and make it happen? Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: South Park on February 11, 2022, 07:34:27 PM the idea for a new topic about chess is good @qwertyup23 but since it's so niche and not a lot of people post about it it's probably better to concentrate discussion here but I don't think it's such a big problem to create a different topic for chess discussion only instead of using this one too many possibilities Yes, if someone creates a new topic, then no problem (most importantly, do not forget to invite me there hehe). But for convenience (and due to the fact that the audience for discussing chess is rather narrow) I can simply rename this topic. By the way, I now tried to edit the first post of the topic and could not find the "add poll" option. Probably still worth creating a new topic, since this option is in demand and it is interesting to conduct different polls from time to time. What do you think? Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: passwordnow on February 12, 2022, 07:39:41 AM A general thread regarding all things chess would be fine, we have one of those with the NFL and the few members that care about it keep it alive and the discussion there is quite nice, from time to time someone else creates a thread, like right now that there are a few due to the Super Bowl being so close, but they fail to gain any traction, so I think that would be the best choice due to the size of the bitcointalk community that care about it being so low. Someone who's really fond of Chess professional scene is the ideal one to make that general thread for everyone to keep the discussion going. Whether it's the World Championship, there will be a continuous discussion about it. I've started to play Chess again online and that's why that general thread would be helpful for me to dive in to see those grandmasters and professionals that have been in the competition. I have a source to look out time after time but I think it's still good to have a conversation from those who know more.Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: coinism on February 12, 2022, 08:36:26 AM Someone who's really fond of Chess professional scene is the ideal one to make that general thread for everyone to keep the discussion going. Whether it's the World Championship, there will be a continuous discussion about it. I've started to play Chess again online and that's why that general thread would be helpful for me to dive in to see those grandmasters and professionals that have been in the competition. I have a source to look out time after time but I think it's still good to have a conversation from those who know more. Not only for Chess for every sports there must a general thread where every event about that sports is discussed. For instance, there is general thread about cricket T20 format. Now everything related to T20 whether its World Cup or some other tournament it's discussed there. This Chess match between Carlsen and Nepomniachtchi was played back 2 months ago. Still we have an active thread about that match. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: passwordnow on February 12, 2022, 12:25:10 PM Someone who's really fond of Chess professional scene is the ideal one to make that general thread for everyone to keep the discussion going. Whether it's the World Championship, there will be a continuous discussion about it. I've started to play Chess again online and that's why that general thread would be helpful for me to dive in to see those grandmasters and professionals that have been in the competition. I have a source to look out time after time but I think it's still good to have a conversation from those who know more. Not only for Chess for every sports there must a general thread where every event about that sports is discussed. For instance, there is general thread about cricket T20 format. Now everything related to T20 whether its World Cup or some other tournament it's discussed there. This Chess match between Carlsen and Nepomniachtchi was played back 2 months ago. Still we have an active thread about that match. And that's what everyone is talking about. Having a general thread for Chess related discussion but I think there are only a few bookies that includes it in the book.Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: qwertyup23 on February 12, 2022, 02:01:35 PM Someone who's really fond of Chess professional scene is the ideal one to make that general thread for everyone to keep the discussion going. Whether it's the World Championship, there will be a continuous discussion about it. I've started to play Chess again online and that's why that general thread would be helpful for me to dive in to see those grandmasters and professionals that have been in the competition. I have a source to look out time after time but I think it's still good to have a conversation from those who know more. Not only for Chess for every sports there must a general thread where every event about that sports is discussed. For instance, there is general thread about cricket T20 format. Now everything related to T20 whether its World Cup or some other tournament it's discussed there. This Chess match between Carlsen and Nepomniachtchi was played back 2 months ago. Still we have an active thread about that match. I do agree with everything you guys mentioned. With the increasing popularity of Chess compared before, it is starting to evolve from a niche sports to something that is widely recognized. I think this is due to the fact that after the release of Queen's Gambit on Netflix, it sparked the curiosity of many to actually try chess for the first time. While not everyone can be good at chess, it certainly is enjoyable especially when you beat your opponent. But to be honest, I do think that creating a separate board for Chess would be beneficial in the long-run. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on February 13, 2022, 08:01:05 PM I'm not sure if a board is needed, seems like there is not enough demand for that, but for new topics should be ok
you are right about the series, after watching it I also became more interested on playing and learning more chess techniques. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: LUCKMCFLY on February 18, 2022, 04:32:06 PM I'm not sure if a board is needed, seems like there is not enough demand for that, but for new topics should be ok you are right about the series, after watching it I also became more interested on playing and learning more chess techniques. Good to learn chess techniques it is always good to have a board and practice the moves of some masters, but for everything to be better understood, it is preferable to learn the basics, perhaps some techniques used by experts, some defenses, with the knights , the exits, with pawns, with knights, what are the vulnerabilities, what is the advantage of going out in the form of an attack or establishing a solid defense, these types of techniques help to better understand, when we start to see it is better to make this start basic than trying to understand what they do in tournaments, because in tournaments plays are made at a very high level and sometimes they are difficult to understand. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: South Park on February 20, 2022, 06:24:40 PM I'm not sure if a board is needed, seems like there is not enough demand for that, but for new topics should be ok Long time ago there was a software called ChessMentor, as its name implied it was not really a software in which you played against the computer like so many other commercial chess software but instead it gave you lessons about how to play chess and quite honestly I found it to be great, I heard that it was eventually integrated into the chess.com website but I do not know if it is free or if you need to pay a subscription, however if it is still available and free you should take a look at it as it was really good.you are right about the series, after watching it I also became more interested on playing and learning more chess techniques. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Vaskiy on February 22, 2022, 12:27:03 PM History created by the young 16 year old R Praggnanandhaa defeating the world number one chess player Magnus Carlsen 39 moves on the Airthings Masters online rapid chess tournament. Praggnanandhaa have mentioned “Beating him once is my biggest dream,” and now this have been achieved so earlier. Now he have become the third Indian, after Viswanathan Anand and P Harikrishna to beat Magnus Carlsen. This shows his ability to the world and the emergence of a new champion from India.
In the same event Praggnanandhaa have lost all the previous seven games and for Carlsen it is the first defeat in the Airthings Masters online rapid chess tournament. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on February 22, 2022, 09:29:17 PM I'm not sure if a board is needed, seems like there is not enough demand for that, but for new topics should be ok Long time ago there was a software called ChessMentor, as its name implied it was not really a software in which you played against the computer like so many other commercial chess software but instead it gave you lessons about how to play chess and quite honestly I found it to be great, I heard that it was eventually integrated into the chess.com website but I do not know if it is free or if you need to pay a subscription, however if it is still available and free you should take a look at it as it was really good.you are right about the series, after watching it I also became more interested on playing and learning more chess techniques. nice! I think I even heard about ChesMentor before on some youtube channel, maybe sound cool I'm not that big into chess, just an occasional player doing it for fun... the AI analysis on lichess are already enough for me but if it changes in the future and I decide to study it in a deeper way I'll look into it. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Mauser on February 23, 2022, 08:34:55 AM I just read this morning that an Indian 16 year old teenager Rameshbabu Praggnanandhaa managed to beat Magnus Carlsen in a Blitz Chess tournament. He is only one of three Indians grandmasters who managed to beat Carlsen. Blitz chess and normal chess games are very different, the players don't have the time at hand to think too deep about moves ahead. It is much easier to make mistakes. In a traditional tournament Carlsen would have probably won. But still, such a big win at such a young age his a pretty big boost for his self esteem. I hope he will keep training and maybe go for a world championship match vs Carlsen at one point. Now I am wondering how this Carlsen loss will impact betting on matches in the future. It is just a matter of time until we have a new world chess champion.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/22/sport/rameshbabu-praggnanandhaa-magnus-carlsen-chess-spt-intl/index.html (https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/22/sport/rameshbabu-praggnanandhaa-magnus-carlsen-chess-spt-intl/index.html) Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: pinggoki on February 23, 2022, 03:17:18 PM I just read this morning that an Indian 16 year old teenager Rameshbabu Praggnanandhaa managed to beat Magnus Carlsen in a Blitz Chess tournament. He is only one of three Indians grandmasters who managed to beat Carlsen. Blitz chess and normal chess games are very different, the players don't have the time at hand to think too deep about moves ahead. It is much easier to make mistakes. In a traditional tournament Carlsen would have probably won. But still, such a big win at such a young age his a pretty big boost for his self esteem. I hope he will keep training and maybe go for a world championship match vs Carlsen at one point. Now I am wondering how this Carlsen loss will impact betting on matches in the future. It is just a matter of time until we have a new world chess champion. That's actually pretty cool, you've got a bragging rights that you've beat the World Champion. Ramesh will definitely be a big player if he continues and pursues chess and becomes a competitive player, this win easily gave him a spotlight and people are going to expect, now that you mention it, I'd love to see him fight Carlsen in a standard match.https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/22/sport/rameshbabu-praggnanandhaa-magnus-carlsen-chess-spt-intl/index.html (https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/22/sport/rameshbabu-praggnanandhaa-magnus-carlsen-chess-spt-intl/index.html) Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on February 23, 2022, 03:26:47 PM these kids are probably born different, it's really impressive to see 16 years old people becoming grandmaster at such an young age
kudos to them would love to see some data on distribution of grandmasters per age group and as % of total chess players. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: seoincorporation on February 23, 2022, 04:27:32 PM these kids are probably born different, it's really impressive to see 16 years old people becoming grandmaster at such an young age kudos to them would love to see some data on distribution of grandmasters per age group and as % of total chess players. You can find that information in the International Chess Federation, there you will find the rating with all the data for each GrandMaster. https://ratings.fide.com/ And I agree with you, Carlsen Magnus is a really impressive chess player, and he proves how good he was when he play vs Kasparov at the age of 13. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: joeperry on February 23, 2022, 04:57:18 PM I just read this morning that an Indian 16 year old teenager Rameshbabu Praggnanandhaa managed to beat Magnus Carlsen in a Blitz Chess tournament. I read this too and was surprised about it that a Indian teen managed to beat Carlsen in Blitz Chess tournament although just like what you have said it is different with normal chess since it is Blitz still you won't be able to beat Carlsen if you are not that good. I tried that Blitz before and that's true that I always made a mistake and wasn't able to think well because of the time pressure. Anyway, congratulations to Nepomniachtchi for defeating Carlsen in Blitz Chess! Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: KennyR on February 23, 2022, 04:57:40 PM these kids are probably born different, it's really impressive to see 16 years old people becoming grandmaster at such an young age In his interview to a news paper he said he was completely drained and was in the urge to sleep, but everything happened something as a miracle. With that one of his dream have come to reality. Maybe these kids are born different, but the way he grew up is a like a common Indian citizen. If this is some other game, now he could've been Known to the world. The game got over days back and now only slowly the world is getting to know about the 16 year old kid Praggnanandhaa.kudos to them Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Mauser on February 23, 2022, 06:00:33 PM And I agree with you, Carlsen Magnus is a really impressive chess player, and he proves how good he was when he play vs Kasparov at the age of 13. Yeah I remember that video from YouTube were you could see the nervous young Carlsen play Kasparow, and after the match you would hear how impressed he was with him. Magnus got a lot of support for his family, they took him out of school for a year and travelled with him through Europe. So he could play many tournaments against a lot of different players. Now with the rise of online chess and blitz chess apps, everybody can play against each other from home. The potential to train against grandmaster from the other side of the earth should help all players. Even Magnus offers now the chance to play Blitz games against him on his own website. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on February 24, 2022, 01:40:31 PM these kids are probably born different, it's really impressive to see 16 years old people becoming grandmaster at such an young age In his interview to a news paper he said he was completely drained and was in the urge to sleep, but everything happened something as a miracle. With that one of his dream have come to reality. Maybe these kids are born different, but the way he grew up is a like a common Indian citizen. If this is some other game, now he could've been Known to the world. The game got over days back and now only slowly the world is getting to know about the 16 year old kid Praggnanandhaa.kudos to them yes, it's amazing I used more as an expression, I think it's a mix of training but there's probably a genetic component too that makes chess calculation easier seeing more studies on that would be quite cool too Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: qwertyup23 on February 26, 2022, 11:04:24 AM The game between Magnus and Nepo in Airthings Masters Finals 2022 was just a privilege to watch!
We get to see an action between the former candidates challenger Nepo and Magnus battling each other in rapid format. Though 4 games ended in a draw, there were missing chances on both players on all of those games. As you can see, Nepo clearly wants to play chess and avoid any classical variations as he is exploring different opening repertoire to his disposal. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: qwertyup23 on February 27, 2022, 09:15:27 AM So Magnus was able to win the entire Airthings Master Finals 2022 when he managed to beat Ian Nepomnaitchi in the final day of the match.
Surprisingly, Magnus won two (2) games both as white and black. On the first game, Ian terribly blundered/sacrificed his horse which costed him the match. On the second game, however, Magnus was able to produce winning ideas in which Ian failed to spot. A lot of people are saying that Magnus was not in shape in this tournament, but the fact that he won shows his continued dominance throughout. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: South Park on February 28, 2022, 06:45:36 PM these kids are probably born different, it's really impressive to see 16 years old people becoming grandmaster at such an young age In his interview to a news paper he said he was completely drained and was in the urge to sleep, but everything happened something as a miracle. With that one of his dream have come to reality. Maybe these kids are born different, but the way he grew up is a like a common Indian citizen. If this is some other game, now he could've been Known to the world. The game got over days back and now only slowly the world is getting to know about the 16 year old kid Praggnanandhaa.kudos to them yes, it's amazing I used more as an expression, I think it's a mix of training but there's probably a genetic component too that makes chess calculation easier seeing more studies on that would be quite cool too Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: babygun on February 28, 2022, 07:13:18 PM I just read this morning that an Indian 16 year old teenager Rameshbabu Praggnanandhaa managed to beat Magnus Carlsen in a Blitz Chess tournament. He is only one of three Indians grandmasters who managed to beat Carlsen. Blitz chess and normal chess games are very different, the players don't have the time at hand to think too deep about moves ahead. It is much easier to make mistakes. In a traditional tournament Carlsen would have probably won. But still, such a big win at such a young age his a pretty big boost for his self esteem. I hope he will keep training and maybe go for a world championship match vs Carlsen at one point. Now I am wondering how this Carlsen loss will impact betting on matches in the future. It is just a matter of time until we have a new world chess champion. https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/22/sport/rameshbabu-praggnanandhaa-magnus-carlsen-chess-spt-intl/index.html (https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/22/sport/rameshbabu-praggnanandhaa-magnus-carlsen-chess-spt-intl/index.html) It is not because Carlsen looses one match that we will get a new world champion in chess. He currently only holds the title in normal chess and lost his titles in blitz and rapid chess earlier this year. Even the greatest players can make mistake or have some lapses in concentration causing them to loose matches. It is a very nice win for the Indian teenager but this doesn't really mean a lot right now (in my eyes). Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on March 01, 2022, 12:08:03 PM <...> According to some research that I read long time ago chess depends heavily on pattern recognition, for example we use pattern recognition to distinguish one person from another due to their distinctive features, however not everyone is as good as this and there are people that never forget a face while there are others that cannot remember even their own face, so it is likely that the best chess players are great at this and if to this we add their training then this explains why they can become so good at such a young age.really interesting and makes sense I find it that memory also plays a role on being good at it and math/calculations, it's really mathematical too when it comes to memorizing and checking future possibilities of how the game may develop Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: LUCKMCFLY on March 04, 2022, 06:18:24 PM And I agree with you, Carlsen Magnus is a really impressive chess player, and he proves how good he was when he play vs Kasparov at the age of 13. Yeah I remember that video from YouTube were you could see the nervous young Carlsen play Kasparow, and after the match you would hear how impressed he was with him. Magnus got a lot of support for his family, they took him out of school for a year and travelled with him through Europe. So he could play many tournaments against a lot of different players. Now with the rise of online chess and blitz chess apps, everybody can play against each other from home. The potential to train against grandmaster from the other side of the earth should help all players. Even Magnus offers now the chance to play Blitz games against him on his own website. I didn't know that Magnus had that option on his website, I heard a long time ago that he had the option to do some blitz on his site, but never against him, this is something that is very fun and at the same time educational, I think that every teacher of Chess should have its own site and share your thoughts, there are many chess fans worldwide, and every thought, every plan that is generated is something that may be new for those of us who have always been playing, particularly I am going to visit the site , I am struck by having an encounter with this master.. By the way, Kasparov is a strong opponent of Putin, and it seemed to me that he was being taken away by the Russian authorities for demonstrating against him, a noble and courageous gesture. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on March 05, 2022, 12:57:41 PM must be hard to live only out of competitions too, would probably be a good idea for chess masters to boost their income with online trainings, coaching sessions and classes/courses
I know bit tournaments pay you well but what about off-season when they are just practicing and studying for it are there such thing like sponsors for chess too? Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: South Park on March 08, 2022, 08:54:37 PM <...> According to some research that I read long time ago chess depends heavily on pattern recognition, for example we use pattern recognition to distinguish one person from another due to their distinctive features, however not everyone is as good as this and there are people that never forget a face while there are others that cannot remember even their own face, so it is likely that the best chess players are great at this and if to this we add their training then this explains why they can become so good at such a young age.really interesting and makes sense I find it that memory also plays a role on being good at it and math/calculations, it's really mathematical too when it comes to memorizing and checking future possibilities of how the game may develop Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on March 09, 2022, 11:37:09 AM <..>Without a doubt there are many factors that make a particular person talented at chess, and like you said their memory also plays a huge factor, after all if a person can only remember a handful of openings while another one can remember more openings and their many variations then the second person has a huge advantage over the first one, as they will be able to enter the middle game in a better position most of the time and they will be able to get more wins as a result of this knowledge they have memorized. yes! completely true not only remembering the openings but how to defend from them, or how to play each opening from white or black pieces perspective I found out that openings will many times decide the whole game, sometimes you get a small advantage on the start like 1 or 2 pawns and then it's worth it to just exchange a lot of pieces, clean the board and turn pawns into queens, a pawn alone can totally change the game and decide who will win. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: LUCKMCFLY on March 11, 2022, 12:15:37 AM must be hard to live only out of competitions too, would probably be a good idea for chess masters to boost their income with online trainings, coaching sessions and classes/courses It is not very difficult, chess is one of the most beautiful sports but unfortunately it does not have sponsors like soccer, what each teacher does is study alone, at least that is the knowledge I have of them, there are clubs worldwide that they can do a simulcast and get paid there, although those are special events and on particular dates.I know bit tournaments pay you well but what about off-season when they are just practicing and studying for it are there such thing like sponsors for chess too? In the case of some friends, they have completed their specializations as chess masters, I understand that training is day and night, practicing each move and its multiple options, it is not easy at all really. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: qwertyup23 on March 14, 2022, 04:07:17 PM Congratulations for GM Richard Rapport for winning the 2022 Belgrade Grand Prix and also beating GM Dmitry Andreikin in their last match of the game. Though both had winning chances on the end, the last game is what sealed the deal for Richard in which he described his move as a a "leap of faith." The game should have ended in a draw but he managed to squeeze and somehow trick Dmitry into the end game.
I think as far as ratings go, Richard Rapport is now top 6 in the whole world, replacing Nepo and Giri on the standings. I do believe that he is capable of achieving greater heights, especially that he has now a chance to participate in the next year's candidates tournament! Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on March 18, 2022, 02:11:05 PM for those interested on new topics about chess on the gambling area of the forum there's a new topic with vibrant discussion here:
Chess online? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5238185.0) good to see more people talking about chess around here just posted it here because we talked about opening more topics on this thread a couple weeks ago Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: LUCKMCFLY on March 25, 2022, 02:29:16 PM for those interested on new topics about chess on the gambling area of the forum there's a new topic with vibrant discussion here: Yes, in fact the thread is very good, although for now I have seen many examples of what Artificial Intelligence is applied to games, but regarding this thread, I never thought that Richard would replace Nepo and Giri, I don't know as normally a person is able to rise in rank or ranking to be able to do geniuses.Chess online? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5238185.0) good to see more people talking about chess around here just posted it here because we talked about opening more topics on this thread a couple weeks ago I know that in order to prepare a person for any tournament they have to spend many hours training, watching each move and practicing which is the best, even doing many blitzes, time in chess is essential, I think that for these masters it should be something else. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on April 07, 2022, 02:59:45 PM idk, I believe in natural skill (talent) but also that hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard
so it should be possible to raise to a high level but will probably take years of practice the other topic is now closed for some reason.... Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Boristhecat on April 07, 2022, 04:02:56 PM idk, I believe in natural skill (talent) but also that hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard so it should be possible to raise to a high level but will probably take years of practice the other topic is now closed for some reason.... Yes, I also noticed that that topic was quite active, but now closed. Still thinking about the idea of opening a new thread, with a poll option. At the moment, I would be interested to know what the chess community thinks about Karjakin's ban. Personally, I am very impressed with the opinion of So who said that Karjakin just went crazy. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on April 08, 2022, 09:44:39 PM didn't even know about Karakajin's situation so went to google it
Russia’s Sergey Karjakin banned from chess for supporting invasion of Ukraine (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/mar/21/sergey-karjakin-banned-chess-fide-russia-invasion-ukraine) idk, even though I disagree with him I don't like the cancellation culture, I don't think a GM should be banned from playing because he supports the war and the president of his country, his ideology won't affect the way he plays and has no relation to chess so what is the point? everything turned into politics lately. Us vs them taken to the extreme. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: qwertyup23 on April 08, 2022, 11:54:02 PM didn't even know about Karakajin's situation so went to google it Russia’s Sergey Karjakin banned from chess for supporting invasion of Ukraine (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/mar/21/sergey-karjakin-banned-chess-fide-russia-invasion-ukraine) idk, even though I disagree with him I don't like the cancellation culture, I don't think a GM should be banned from playing because he supports the war and the president of his country, his ideology won't affect the way he plays and has no relation to chess so what is the point? everything turned into politics lately. Us vs them taken to the extreme. Along with any other sport, there are certain ethical standards that a player must follow. While people might have conflicting views regarding a certain topic, they must say so in a way that will not be disrespectful to anyone. The problem with Karjakin is that he made statements that are very disrespectful in this bloody and unnecessary war, in which judgement was served upon him. Russia has been using sport as a form of propaganda, stating that the war was necessary. Just to give you a concrete example, Sergei Shipov also made statements regarding the war. But compared to Karjakin, Shipov's statements were less provocative and different in character. As a caliber of a player Karjakin is, he must uphold himself with high status and responsibility as always. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Boristhecat on April 09, 2022, 10:07:59 AM didn't even know about Karakajin's situation so went to google it Russia’s Sergey Karjakin banned from chess for supporting invasion of Ukraine (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/mar/21/sergey-karjakin-banned-chess-fide-russia-invasion-ukraine) idk, even though I disagree with him I don't like the cancellation culture, I don't think a GM should be banned from playing because he supports the war and the president of his country, his ideology won't affect the way he plays and has no relation to chess so what is the point? everything turned into politics lately. Us vs them taken to the extreme. The point is that the war is going on right now. Everyone participates in it in one way or another - this is a global world, and it's hard not to see a direct participant in the war in Karyakin - he is a citizen of Russia and supports the war. If you took a side and participate in the war, then be prepared for the fact that certain measures will be taken against you. I think this is fair and logical. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: KTChampions on April 09, 2022, 07:50:05 PM didn't even know about Karakajin's situation so went to google it Russia’s Sergey Karjakin banned from chess for supporting invasion of Ukraine (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/mar/21/sergey-karjakin-banned-chess-fide-russia-invasion-ukraine) idk, even though I disagree with him I don't like the cancellation culture, I don't think a GM should be banned from playing because he supports the war and the president of his country, his ideology won't affect the way he plays and has no relation to chess so what is the point? everything turned into politics lately. Us vs them taken to the extreme. I would say that this particular case is not politics, but the normal behavior of people. What do you know about Karjakin as a racing driver or snooker player? I think nothing. Karjakin is a representative of the chess community. He has an opinion - no one takes away his opinion from him, but since he represents the entire chess community, this community does not want to be associated with him and therefore does not want to "play" with him while he makes statements that cast a shadow on the entire community. I think if you have a good opponent in your neighborhood to play chess or whatever, but one day you find out that he is a pedophile, then most likely you will stop playing with him, right? Although it seems like his sexual deviations have nothing to do with chess and "these are different issues." Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: acroman08 on April 09, 2022, 08:25:16 PM -snip just like what qwertyup23 has said "just like any other sports, there is an ethical standard a player must follow" the organization deemed his support of the war with Ukraine as unethical. I understand their views and agree with them. I would have disagreed with them if they banned Karjakin just for being Russian.Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on April 12, 2022, 09:43:05 PM <...> I would say that this particular case is not politics, but the normal behavior of people. What do you know about Karjakin as a racing driver or snooker player? I think nothing. Karjakin is a representative of the chess community. He has an opinion - no one takes away his opinion from him, but since he represents the entire chess community, this community does not want to be associated with him and therefore does not want to "play" with him while he makes statements that cast a shadow on the entire community. I think if you have a good opponent in your neighborhood to play chess or whatever, but one day you find out that he is a pedophile, then most likely you will stop playing with him, right? Although it seems like his sexual deviations have nothing to do with chess and "these are different issues." as much as I hate wars and think they're stupid and a waste/delay for human civilization, I don't think that we can compare individuals who support the war to pedophiles former have an opinion about something latter have a serious conduct deviation and are criminals/ill but still, take my opinion about Karjakin with a grain of salt since I didn't follow the full situation and just checked the article quite fast... Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Theones on April 12, 2022, 10:13:14 PM -snip just like what qwertyup23 has said "just like any other sports, there is an ethical standard a player must follow" the organization deemed his support of the war with Ukraine as unethical. I understand their views and agree with them. I would have disagreed with them if they banned Karjakin just for being Russian.But the way - what are you guys discussing? Is there any chess matches going on at the moment or it is just a forum to discuss something? Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on April 13, 2022, 02:58:14 PM -snip just like what qwertyup23 has said "just like any other sports, there is an ethical standard a player must follow" the organization deemed his support of the war with Ukraine as unethical. I understand their views and agree with them. I would have disagreed with them if they banned Karjakin just for being Russian.But the way - what are you guys discussing? Is there any chess matches going on at the moment or it is just a forum to discuss something? lol well, this is the only Chess thread left on the forum as far as I know we just started talking a bit about the war because of the situation with Karjakin being banned Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: South Park on April 13, 2022, 09:36:08 PM -snip just like what qwertyup23 has said "just like any other sports, there is an ethical standard a player must follow" the organization deemed his support of the war with Ukraine as unethical. I understand their views and agree with them. I would have disagreed with them if they banned Karjakin just for being Russian.Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on April 14, 2022, 12:36:33 PM -snip just like what qwertyup23 has said "just like any other sports, there is an ethical standard a player must follow" the organization deemed his support of the war with Ukraine as unethical. I understand their views and agree with them. I would have disagreed with them if they banned Karjakin just for being Russian.same opinion here, was just thinking about all the relations between chess and war, and the history of the game in the past... we can't even imagine how many battles were played... Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Theones on April 14, 2022, 09:51:31 PM -snip just like what qwertyup23 has said "just like any other sports, there is an ethical standard a player must follow" the organization deemed his support of the war with Ukraine as unethical. I understand their views and agree with them. I would have disagreed with them if they banned Karjakin just for being Russian.But the way - what are you guys discussing? Is there any chess matches going on at the moment or it is just a forum to discuss something? lol well, this is the only Chess thread left on the forum as far as I know we just started talking a bit about the war because of the situation with Karjakin being banned I just searched bout him- he is young and is a smart player. What will be his future now if the ban stays? I think the war has damaged Russia equally they have damaged Ukraine. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: wildan88 on April 14, 2022, 11:24:38 PM Russia is known for having a lot of strong chess players. These players play many tournaments abroad and possibly also competition in these countries to fund their income that way. I wonder how that goes, would tournament organizations still ask Russian players to play? the advantage of chess is that you can also organize games online, so you don't have to be physically present. If the world champion had come from Russia, the World Chess Federation would have had a dilemma.
Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Theones on April 15, 2022, 04:41:07 PM Russia is known for having a lot of strong chess players. These players play many tournaments abroad and possibly also competition in these countries to fund their income that way. I wonder how that goes, would tournament organizations still ask Russian players to play? the advantage of chess is that you can also organize games online, so you don't have to be physically present. If the world champion had come from Russia, the World Chess Federation would have had a dilemma. Russian have done an extra ordinary performance in every field. But I am not sure any sanction has resulted in putting Russia in the condition to stop war. Everyday we see more missile attacks on the Ukraine. Also I tied playing chess today in an online mobile app- I realized I forgot some of the rules. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: KTChampions on April 15, 2022, 06:19:22 PM I would say that this particular case is not politics, but the normal behavior of people. What do you know about Karjakin as a racing driver or snooker player? I think nothing. Karjakin is a representative of the chess community. He has an opinion - no one takes away his opinion from him, but since he represents the entire chess community, this community does not want to be associated with him and therefore does not want to "play" with him while he makes statements that cast a shadow on the entire community. I think if you have a good opponent in your neighborhood to play chess or whatever, but one day you find out that he is a pedophile, then most likely you will stop playing with him, right? Although it seems like his sexual deviations have nothing to do with chess and "these are different issues." as much as I hate wars and think they're stupid and a waste/delay for human civilization, I don't think that we can compare individuals who support the war to pedophiles former have an opinion about something latter have a serious conduct deviation and are criminals/ill but still, take my opinion about Karjakin with a grain of salt since I didn't follow the full situation and just checked the article quite fast... Okay, let's take out the pedophiles and replace them with war criminals and those who support them. Will you play with a neighbor who is a good chess player if he is a war criminal? Or with the same neighbor who is not a war criminal but who openly supports war crimes (or denies their actual existence when it is clear to everyone that they are taking place)? Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on April 18, 2022, 02:08:59 PM I would say that this particular case is not politics, but the normal behavior of people. What do you know about Karjakin as a racing driver or snooker player? I think nothing. Karjakin is a representative of the chess community. He has an opinion - no one takes away his opinion from him, but since he represents the entire chess community, this community does not want to be associated with him and therefore does not want to "play" with him while he makes statements that cast a shadow on the entire community. I think if you have a good opponent in your neighborhood to play chess or whatever, but one day you find out that he is a pedophile, then most likely you will stop playing with him, right? Although it seems like his sexual deviations have nothing to do with chess and "these are different issues." as much as I hate wars and think they're stupid and a waste/delay for human civilization, I don't think that we can compare individuals who support the war to pedophiles former have an opinion about something latter have a serious conduct deviation and are criminals/ill but still, take my opinion about Karjakin with a grain of salt since I didn't follow the full situation and just checked the article quite fast... Okay, let's take out the pedophiles and replace them with war criminals and those who support them. Will you play with a neighbor who is a good chess player if he is a war criminal? Or with the same neighbor who is not a war criminal but who openly supports war crimes (or denies their actual existence when it is clear to everyone that they are taking place)? I just don't like cancelation culture and think people end up mixing up things that doesn't make sense at all. If people commit crimes they should be punished/go to jail/whatever, this is common ground. Being a pedophile is disgusting and a crime (when they act, pedophilia, rape and any kind of sexual violence are crimes and horrible things but we can't put people in jail for crimes of thought like only thinking of something, as disgusting as their thoughts can be) that said, I think people in prison for commiting crimes can still be brilliant on their skills like chess, for example. so all I said is that imo makes no sense to forbid a player who supports war (or supports something else that I'm against) to play chess, since their opinions on wars, politics or religion won't affect their skill. of course it's easier to frame people who disagree with us as horrible people, but I think there's nuance, there's a gradient of things to consider on people's personalities to make the discourse more extreme: remove nuance. It'll probably get worse from here in terms of public opinion, mass media manipulation and xenophobia... here's a tl;dr: War is horrible and stupid there's people who support it I don't support them but I think horrible and stupid people should be allowed to play chess (and get good at it) hopefully learning and playing chess will even help to make them less horrible and stupid Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: LUCKMCFLY on April 20, 2022, 09:38:11 PM Russia is known for having a lot of strong chess players. These players play many tournaments abroad and possibly also competition in these countries to fund their income that way. I wonder how that goes, would tournament organizations still ask Russian players to play? the advantage of chess is that you can also organize games online, so you don't have to be physically present. If the world champion had come from Russia, the World Chess Federation would have had a dilemma. Well, the Russians have many very good players, in fact Kasparov is one of the best in the world, for me he has always been a benchmark, and it is not for nothing, but seeing the IQ of most Russians is very high, so that It is reflected in the majority of Chess players, for now I think that due to the problems that Russia has, the Chess Federation must also be affected. Normally, any person from anywhere in the world, whether or not they are in Russia, they can be good in the same way, I think that everything goes into the training that I give them, it is a matter of dedication. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Boristhecat on April 21, 2022, 12:51:56 PM War is horrible and stupid there's people who support it I don't support them but I think horrible and stupid people should be allowed to play chess (and get good at it) hopefully learning and playing chess will even help to make them less horrible and stupid But does anyone forbid them to play chess? The bottom line is that the disagreements with these people (who support the war) have reached such proportions that those who do not support the war simply do not want to play with them. Isn't this a basic human right - freedom of association? There is a community of people who love chess and don't like war. They don't want to play chess with those who support the war. Nobody forbids war lovers to play chess - they can do it with anyone (who agrees to it). Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on April 21, 2022, 10:28:07 PM War is horrible and stupid there's people who support it I don't support them but I think horrible and stupid people should be allowed to play chess (and get good at it) hopefully learning and playing chess will even help to make them less horrible and stupid But does anyone forbid them to play chess? The bottom line is that the disagreements with these people (who support the war) have reached such proportions that those who do not support the war simply do not want to play with them. Isn't this a basic human right - freedom of association? There is a community of people who love chess and don't like war. They don't want to play chess with those who support the war. Nobody forbids war lovers to play chess - they can do it with anyone (who agrees to it). well, the chess federation forbids them my point is exactly the idea that in a game like chess someone's values doesn't matter that much their skills matter. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: blockman on April 21, 2022, 10:33:25 PM War is horrible and stupid there's people who support it I don't support them but I think horrible and stupid people should be allowed to play chess (and get good at it) hopefully learning and playing chess will even help to make them less horrible and stupid But does anyone forbid them to play chess? The bottom line is that the disagreements with these people (who support the war) have reached such proportions that those who do not support the war simply do not want to play with them. Isn't this a basic human right - freedom of association? There is a community of people who love chess and don't like war. They don't want to play chess with those who support the war. Nobody forbids war lovers to play chess - they can do it with anyone (who agrees to it). well, the chess federation forbids them my point is exactly the idea that in a game like chess someone's values doesn't matter that much their skills matter. It's part of the sanction that they're getting but it's true that those that are not really involved should be allowed to play not because they're on this race or that because they also have their disagreement to what currently is happening. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Boristhecat on April 22, 2022, 03:30:37 PM But does anyone forbid them to play chess? The bottom line is that the disagreements with these people (who support the war) have reached such proportions that those who do not support the war simply do not want to play with them. Isn't this a basic human right - freedom of association? There is a community of people who love chess and don't like war. They don't want to play chess with those who support the war. Nobody forbids war lovers to play chess - they can do it with anyone (who agrees to it). well, the chess federation forbids them my point is exactly the idea that in a game like chess someone's values doesn't matter that much their skills matter. It is not true. The chess federation doesn't want to play with them. And these supporters of the war themselves can play with anyone and even establish their own chess federation. You confuse situations when someone's rights are violated with the actual case when the Chess Federation tries to defend its right. I do not want to play chess with someone - this is my right, and I do not violate the rights of this someone in any way. This is the principle at work here. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Theones on April 22, 2022, 11:58:22 PM It is not true. The chess federation doesn't want to play with them. And these supporters of the war themselves can play with anyone and even establish their own chess federation. You confuse situations when someone's rights are violated with the actual case when the Chess Federation tries to defend its right. I do not want to play chess with someone - this is my right, and I do not violate the rights of this someone in any way. This is the principle at work here. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: STT on April 23, 2022, 05:36:54 AM Russian players were banned from Wimbledon fairly recently though F1 racing has not specifically done so just the teams. Now I check it makes no difference as Russian racing license is refused as valid in some countries hosting races so its hard to compete globally.
I think the general take is the players should revoke that flag and qualify under a neutral flag or country if need be. That presumes they are able to do so but its hard to disagree with the actions taken when people are dying needlessly, some people are so ignorant of death and suffering of others they may only notice when their favorite sport is disrupted slightly. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Theones on April 25, 2022, 09:23:52 AM Russian players were banned from Wimbledon fairly recently though F1 racing has not specifically done so just the teams. Now I check it makes no difference as Russian racing license is refused as valid in some countries hosting races so its hard to compete globally. Your point is valid - but the powerful will keep surpassing the weak and this is going everywhere. I think the general take is the players should revoke that flag and qualify under a neutral flag or country if need be. That presumes they are able to do so but its hard to disagree with the actions taken when people are dying needlessly, some people are so ignorant of death and suffering of others they may only notice when their favorite sport is disrupted slightly. I would suggest - Russia to take a neutral stance on it and discuss things with dialogue rather then deadlock. But war not a solution. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on April 25, 2022, 11:12:15 AM But does anyone forbid them to play chess? The bottom line is that the disagreements with these people (who support the war) have reached such proportions that those who do not support the war simply do not want to play with them. Isn't this a basic human right - freedom of association? There is a community of people who love chess and don't like war. They don't want to play chess with those who support the war. Nobody forbids war lovers to play chess - they can do it with anyone (who agrees to it). well, the chess federation forbids them my point is exactly the idea that in a game like chess someone's values doesn't matter that much their skills matter. It is not true. The chess federation doesn't want to play with them. And these supporters of the war themselves can play with anyone and even establish their own chess federation. You confuse situations when someone's rights are violated with the actual case when the Chess Federation tries to defend its right. I do not want to play chess with someone - this is my right, and I do not violate the rights of this someone in any way. This is the principle at work here. cancellation culture at its finest. Russian players were banned from Wimbledon fairly recently though F1 racing has not specifically done so just the teams. Now I check it makes no difference as Russian racing license is refused as valid in some countries hosting races so its hard to compete globally. I think the general take is the players should revoke that flag and qualify under a neutral flag or country if need be. That presumes they are able to do so but its hard to disagree with the actions taken when people are dying needlessly, some people are so ignorant of death and suffering of others they may only notice when their favorite sport is disrupted slightly. interesting take! this brings us on a "sovereign individual" situation where people have incentives to be a citizen on some countries or even to stop being a citizen of other countries quite interesting to think about it Russian players were banned from Wimbledon fairly recently though F1 racing has not specifically done so just the teams. Now I check it makes no difference as Russian racing license is refused as valid in some countries hosting races so its hard to compete globally. Your point is valid - but the powerful will keep surpassing the weak and this is going everywhere. I think the general take is the players should revoke that flag and qualify under a neutral flag or country if need be. That presumes they are able to do so but its hard to disagree with the actions taken when people are dying needlessly, some people are so ignorant of death and suffering of others they may only notice when their favorite sport is disrupted slightly. I would suggest - Russia to take a neutral stance on it and discuss things with dialogue rather then deadlock. But war not a solution. was is always the worst possible outcome. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Theones on April 30, 2022, 10:00:34 AM was is always the worst possible outcome. That is not possible -the are one of the biggest oil producer in the world and banning Russia is banning the oil. this is not going to work? Has EU banned buying oil from Russia as well? Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on May 03, 2022, 09:01:38 PM was is always the worst possible outcome. That is not possible -the are one of the biggest oil producer in the world and banning Russia is banning the oil. this is not going to work? Has EU banned buying oil from Russia as well? until humans (specially the ones with power) don't realize that we are all dependent on each other we'll remain progressing much slower than we could... but well, maybe enough of war? would love to get back to chess on this thread. including discussing chess strategies and tactics, that would be interesting too Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: LUCKMCFLY on May 06, 2022, 08:01:17 PM Russian players were banned from Wimbledon fairly recently though F1 racing has not specifically done so just the teams. Now I check it makes no difference as Russian racing license is refused as valid in some countries hosting races so its hard to compete globally. Your point is valid - but the powerful will keep surpassing the weak and this is going everywhere. I think the general take is the players should revoke that flag and qualify under a neutral flag or country if need be. That presumes they are able to do so but its hard to disagree with the actions taken when people are dying needlessly, some people are so ignorant of death and suffering of others they may only notice when their favorite sport is disrupted slightly. I would suggest - Russia to take a neutral stance on it and discuss things with dialogue rather then deadlock. But war not a solution. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Theones on May 07, 2022, 12:51:44 AM Well you're right, although there is something I don't understand, what neutral point are you talking about? I do not understand very well in what area you are saying it, you mean that a neutral point is that Russian athletes must renounce their nationality to ensure their career, represent another country, because I think that in Belarus they will also have their ban, or if it is that he already has it, on the other hand, if they don't do anything about it, all the Russian athletes who are very good, not only in chess but in any sport, should give him a golden opportunity so that they don't lose all the effort of a lifetime training a sport. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Boristhecat on May 07, 2022, 10:38:30 AM Well you're right, although there is something I don't understand, what neutral point are you talking about? I do not understand very well in what area you are saying it, you mean that a neutral point is that Russian athletes must renounce their nationality to ensure their career, represent another country, because I think that in Belarus they will also have their ban, or if it is that he already has it, on the other hand, if they don't do anything about it, all the Russian athletes who are very good, not only in chess but in any sport, should give him a golden opportunity so that they don't lose all the effort of a lifetime training a sport. I think the more focus should be on peace. The world is surfing a lot. Earlier due to Corona and not these wars and sanctions. Which are affecting each and every domain. By neutral stance means they should not be aggressive and listen to other and help to reduce tension. Sooner or later this war will end, But of course soon the better. It's not clear exactly what you're suggesting. "By default" everyone is in favor of peace - even those who started the war, it's just that everyone sees the peace differently. I think after Russia sets foot on the path of peace, recognizes its crimes and starts paying compensation for them, no one will be against the fact that Russian athletes return to all competitions. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Theones on May 09, 2022, 01:16:32 AM It's not clear exactly what you're suggesting. "By default" everyone is in favor of peace - even those who started the war, it's just that everyone sees the peace differently. I think after Russia sets foot on the path of peace, recognizes its crimes and starts paying compensation for them, no one will be against the fact that Russian athletes return to all competitions. When its about peace in muslim country the whole is quiet and asleep but when it is white skin everyone would want to condemn the attackers -- Has there been any discussion done about Kashmir, Afghanistan, Syeria, Palestine? Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: alegotardo on May 09, 2022, 01:22:34 AM Correct but then again everyone nation has their own interests and their definition of peace. When its about peace in muslim country the whole is quiet and asleep but when it is white skin everyone would want to condemn the attackers -- Has there been any discussion done about Kashmir, Afghanistan, Syeria, Palestine? But there's a detail that makes a lot of difference, because in the countries you mentioned, the war is mainly caused by terrorist groups (forgive me if I'm saying something wrong due to my ignorance). In the situation between Russia and Ukraine, the war is being led by a country that until then had a certain reputation to uphold. It has nothing to do with white or black people. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Naficopa on May 09, 2022, 06:07:14 AM Correct but then again everyone nation has their own interests and their definition of peace. When its about peace in muslim country the whole is quiet and asleep but when it is white skin everyone would want to condemn the attackers -- Has there been any discussion done about Kashmir, Afghanistan, Syeria, Palestine? But there's a detail that makes a lot of difference, because in the countries you mentioned, the war is mainly caused by terrorist groups (forgive me if I'm saying something wrong due to my ignorance). In the situation between Russia and Ukraine, the war is being led by a country that until then had a certain reputation to uphold. It has nothing to do with white or black people. 20 years of invasion on Afghanistan. One country freedom fighter is other country traitors. So everyone has their definition for defence. But this is no justification. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Viscore on May 09, 2022, 07:49:37 PM I just read this morning that an Indian 16 year old teenager Rameshbabu Praggnanandhaa managed to beat Magnus Carlsen in a Blitz Chess tournament. He is only one of three Indians grandmasters who managed to beat Carlsen. Blitz chess and normal chess games are very different, the players don't have the time at hand to think too deep about moves ahead. It is much easier to make mistakes. In a traditional tournament Carlsen would have probably won. But still, such a big win at such a young age his a pretty big boost for his self esteem. I hope he will keep training and maybe go for a world championship match vs Carlsen at one point. Now I am wondering how this Carlsen loss will impact betting on matches in the future. It is just a matter of time until we have a new world chess champion. That's actually pretty cool, you've got a bragging rights that you've beat the World Champion. Ramesh will definitely be a big player if he continues and pursues chess and becomes a competitive player, this win easily gave him a spotlight and people are going to expect, now that you mention it, I'd love to see him fight Carlsen in a standard match.https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/22/sport/rameshbabu-praggnanandhaa-magnus-carlsen-chess-spt-intl/index.html (https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/22/sport/rameshbabu-praggnanandhaa-magnus-carlsen-chess-spt-intl/index.html) Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Cryptock on May 09, 2022, 08:32:35 PM I just read this morning that an Indian 16 year old teenager Rameshbabu Praggnanandhaa managed to beat Magnus Carlsen in a Blitz Chess tournament. He is only one of three Indians grandmasters who managed to beat Carlsen. Blitz chess and normal chess games are very different, the players don't have the time at hand to think too deep about moves ahead. It is much easier to make mistakes. In a traditional tournament Carlsen would have probably won. But still, such a big win at such a young age his a pretty big boost for his self esteem. I hope he will keep training and maybe go for a world championship match vs Carlsen at one point. Now I am wondering how this Carlsen loss will impact betting on matches in the future. It is just a matter of time until we have a new world chess champion. That's actually pretty cool, you've got a bragging rights that you've beat the World Champion. Ramesh will definitely be a big player if he continues and pursues chess and becomes a competitive player, this win easily gave him a spotlight and people are going to expect, now that you mention it, I'd love to see him fight Carlsen in a standard match.https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/22/sport/rameshbabu-praggnanandhaa-magnus-carlsen-chess-spt-intl/index.html (https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/22/sport/rameshbabu-praggnanandhaa-magnus-carlsen-chess-spt-intl/index.html) But since kids are more into online gaming it is getting more attention, the kids are smart and fast these days so they don't like wasting their time. They do so many things at one time :) Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Boristhecat on May 09, 2022, 08:41:02 PM It's not clear exactly what you're suggesting. "By default" everyone is in favor of peace - even those who started the war, it's just that everyone sees the peace differently. I think after Russia sets foot on the path of peace, recognizes its crimes and starts paying compensation for them, no one will be against the fact that Russian athletes return to all competitions. When its about peace in muslim country the whole is quiet and asleep but when it is white skin everyone would want to condemn the attackers -- Has there been any discussion done about Kashmir, Afghanistan, Syeria, Palestine? Let's not add watbautism to this topic, because then we will endlessly jump from one topic to another. At the moment, all countries of the world have a consensus on the crimes of Russia, some countries like the occupied Belarus support the war of conquest, but the majority have a clear position on the ongoing events. The longer this drags on, the more isolated Russia will fall, how many chess players or other athletes from North Korea do you know? Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: gagux123 on May 09, 2022, 09:59:35 PM Guys, I'm a total noob and inexperienced with regards to chess.
Could anyone tell me which platforms or websites you watch these matches on? Is it on Youtube!!? Any other relevant information!!?? Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Theones on May 10, 2022, 03:58:10 PM It's not clear exactly what you're suggesting. "By default" everyone is in favor of peace - even those who started the war, it's just that everyone sees the peace differently. I think after Russia sets foot on the path of peace, recognizes its crimes and starts paying compensation for them, no one will be against the fact that Russian athletes return to all competitions. When its about peace in muslim country the whole is quiet and asleep but when it is white skin everyone would want to condemn the attackers -- Has there been any discussion done about Kashmir, Afghanistan, Syeria, Palestine? Let's not add watbautism to this topic, because then we will endlessly jump from one topic to another. At the moment, all countries of the world have a consensus on the crimes of Russia, some countries like the occupied Belarus support the war of conquest, but the majority have a clear position on the ongoing events. The longer this drags on, the more isolated Russia will fall, how many chess players or other athletes from North Korea do you know? The Russian are stealing their everything - which include food and pans as well. I failed to understand why they are doing that. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on May 10, 2022, 09:17:36 PM Guys, I'm a total noob and inexperienced with regards to chess. Could anyone tell me which platforms or websites you watch these matches on? Is it on Youtube!!? Any other relevant information!!?? I started playing a lot a couple months ago, my favorite website for chess is lichess.org you can play on computer or download the app and play on the phone, I prefer playing on the phone buy on the computer you can draw lines and points of interest so I know people who likes it more. lichess also has lessons and it's opensource another big one is chess.com you can find good videos and lessons on youtube too if you're up to playing together send me a dm and I'll tell you my username there I play mostly 5 minutes blitz and 10 minutes rapid games It takes a while to get used to the clock and it's normal to blunder when we're starting, but I like that lichess plots a chart with your mmr and you can check your progress, I raised my ranking from >950 to 1250 on blitz and 1300-ish on rapid it's fun and addicting! Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: qwertyup23 on May 11, 2022, 02:23:35 AM Guys, I'm a total noob and inexperienced with regards to chess. Could anyone tell me which platforms or websites you watch these matches on? Is it on Youtube!!? Any other relevant information!!?? There are tons of materials available in the internet but I would highly recommend watching videos from Daniel Naroditsky. He has courses on his YouTube channel that teaches opening techniques and theory. I also recommend chess.com and subscribing to their monthly promos. They also teach basic chess principle that would somehow give you an understanding of the fundamentals of the game. As someone who has been playing chess for more than 10+ years, I also recommend watching several games from Agadmator's channel. It really helped me observe tactics and understand the thinking of GMs in their respective field and games. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Boristhecat on May 11, 2022, 12:58:44 PM I started playing a lot a couple months ago, my favorite website for chess is lichess.org you can play on computer or download the app and play on the phone, I prefer playing on the phone buy on the computer you can draw lines and points of interest so I know people who likes it more. lichess also has lessons and it's opensource another big one is chess.com you can find good videos and lessons on youtube too if you're up to playing together send me a dm and I'll tell you my username there I play mostly 5 minutes blitz and 10 minutes rapid games It takes a while to get used to the clock and it's normal to blunder when we're starting, but I like that lichess plots a chart with your mmr and you can check your progress, I raised my ranking from >950 to 1250 on blitz and 1300-ish on rapid it's fun and addicting! I would not advise anyone to play with the computer (unless it's a problem solving or tactical assault on chess.com which is very funny and useful for developing tactical thinking) as the computer plays boring (and hard even if you adjust the difficulty level) - it beats everything mood to play. Playing with a person is always more adrenaline and entertainment. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Theones on May 11, 2022, 06:07:40 PM I would not advise anyone to play with the computer (unless it's a problem solving or tactical assault on chess.com which is very funny and useful for developing tactical thinking) as the computer plays boring (and hard even if you adjust the difficulty level) - it beats everything mood to play. Playing with a person is always more adrenaline and entertainment. THese board games were popular in 90's when friends and cousins used to get together and there was no distraction like mobile phones and TV. Chess is also dying game. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: KTChampions on May 11, 2022, 07:19:46 PM I am not sure it is the right time to learn playing board games. People do not have time to play board games. THese board games were popular in 90's when friends and cousins used to get together and there was no distraction like mobile phones and TV. Chess is also dying game. LOL. I would give you one excerpt from an interview with Garry Kasparov, but it is not in English. The bottom line is this: with the development of the Internet, chess has received a giant impetus in the development and the number of players and spectators has become much larger. You do not notice this because you are involved in other areas and against the background of other areas, chess may have developed less. But to call them a dying game is complete nonsense. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on May 11, 2022, 08:57:50 PM I would not advise anyone to play with the computer (unless it's a problem solving or tactical assault on chess.com which is very funny and useful for developing tactical thinking) as the computer plays boring (and hard even if you adjust the difficulty level) - it beats everything mood to play. Playing with a person is always more adrenaline and entertainment. THese board games were popular in 90's when friends and cousins used to get together and there was no distraction like mobile phones and TV. Chess is also dying game. the ~50-100k online users on lichess everyday would disagree with these statements @Theones I like to play board games... @Boristhecat you are right! It's really boring to play with the computer, on my original message I suggested playing using a computer but it's much better to play against a real human for the reasons you mentioned. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Shamm on May 11, 2022, 09:56:15 PM I would not advise anyone to play with the computer (unless it's a problem solving or tactical assault on chess.com which is very funny and useful for developing tactical thinking) as the computer plays boring (and hard even if you adjust the difficulty level) - it beats everything mood to play. Playing with a person is always more adrenaline and entertainment. THese board games were popular in 90's when friends and cousins used to get together and there was no distraction like mobile phones and TV. Chess is also dying game. Maybe in your country Chess game are slowly dying but in fact in my country young chess players has a chance to play or compete to other school because during our intramural which all the section of our school facing each other. And the winner of that is have a chance to compete against different place in our town/ even in my country. Board games are really good for enhancing our knowledge and strategy . Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: babygun on May 11, 2022, 10:02:29 PM chess is dying game? Maybe in your country Chess game are slowly dying but in fact in my country young chess players has a chance to play or compete to other school because during our intramural which all the section of our school facing each other. And the winner of that is have a chance to compete against different place in our town/ even in my country. Board games are really good for enhancing our knowledge and strategy . In a lot of countries, chess is getting put on the school program and I can understand why. It helps to think in a tactical and strategical way, stay focused for longer periods of time,... Thanks to Carlsen, chess rewon on popularity again so I agree that chess is not really dying, on the contrary. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: gagux123 on May 11, 2022, 10:28:38 PM (...) (...) wow thanks so much for this info @Lucasgabd and @qwertyup23I played chess when I was younger and nowadays I'm rarely playing chess (I even have a physical wooden board) I will study this content posted by you, thanks again guys! Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Cryptock on May 12, 2022, 09:57:36 AM I would not advise anyone to play with the computer (unless it's a problem solving or tactical assault on chess.com which is very funny and useful for developing tactical thinking) as the computer plays boring (and hard even if you adjust the difficulty level) - it beats everything mood to play. Playing with a person is always more adrenaline and entertainment. THese board games were popular in 90's when friends and cousins used to get together and there was no distraction like mobile phones and TV. Chess is also dying game. Maybe in your country Chess game are slowly dying but in fact in my country young chess players has a chance to play or compete to other school because during our intramural which all the section of our school facing each other. And the winner of that is have a chance to compete against different place in our town/ even in my country. Board games are really good for enhancing our knowledge and strategy . There are less people interested in the game, maybe different regions have different mindsets. But playing the board games in our area has decreased, to be honest. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: dimonstration on May 12, 2022, 10:59:46 AM I would not advise anyone to play with the computer (unless it's a problem solving or tactical assault on chess.com which is very funny and useful for developing tactical thinking) as the computer plays boring (and hard even if you adjust the difficulty level) - it beats everything mood to play. Playing with a person is always more adrenaline and entertainment. THese board games were popular in 90's when friends and cousins used to get together and there was no distraction like mobile phones and TV. Chess is also dying game. Maybe in your country Chess game are slowly dying but in fact in my country young chess players has a chance to play or compete to other school because during our intramural which all the section of our school facing each other. And the winner of that is have a chance to compete against different place in our town/ even in my country. Board games are really good for enhancing our knowledge and strategy . There are less people interested in the game, maybe different regions have different mindsets. But playing the board games in our area has decreased, to be honest. Chess is game for high IQ and most people has an average IQ ergo sports like basketball, baseball and other sports that more on physical talent is much favorite by students since people who's watching then can appreciate while on Chess, Only people with high IQ understand and appreciate what they are doing on that board games. I'm playing chess but just for fun and not in serious way. This thread should be lock or change the title to Chess general discussion since the 2021 championship is already over and Carlsen once again prove his dominance on this sports. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: qwertyup23 on May 12, 2022, 11:36:58 AM I would not advise anyone to play with the computer (unless it's a problem solving or tactical assault on chess.com which is very funny and useful for developing tactical thinking) as the computer plays boring (and hard even if you adjust the difficulty level) - it beats everything mood to play. Playing with a person is always more adrenaline and entertainment. THese board games were popular in 90's when friends and cousins used to get together and there was no distraction like mobile phones and TV. Chess is also dying game. I wholeheartedly disagree with your last statement saying that Chess is a dying game. In fact, it is actually the opposite of what you just said! Ever since the release of Queen's Gambit on NetFlix, the popularity of Chess has been steadily increasing over the years. With a lot of Chess GMs (Grand Masters) streaming on Twitch and/or YouTube, lots of beginners have started to watch them and learn the basics and fundamentals as explained by these players. Given also that our Chess World Champion is rather a cool guy who consistently communicates with people (Magnus Carlsen), the popularity of Chess has been off-the-roof compared to the previous years. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: LUCKMCFLY on May 12, 2022, 03:26:07 PM was is always the worst possible outcome. That is not possible -the are one of the biggest oil producer in the world and banning Russia is banning the oil. this is not going to work? Has EU banned buying oil from Russia as well? until humans (specially the ones with power) don't realize that we are all dependent on each other we'll remain progressing much slower than we could... but well, maybe enough of war? would love to get back to chess on this thread. including discussing chess strategies and tactics, that would be interesting too Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on May 12, 2022, 06:39:13 PM <...> The truth is that if strategies and types of moves were included in the thread, it would be very interesting, because not only would we be aware of a current global situation that burdens us in some way, but apart from the events of chess contests and tournaments, if at any time It goes into more technical matters, the analysis of moves and/or strategy would make the thread much more interesting for me, because I even look for the board that I have to make the moves physically, this is very interesting, besides, I have many years without chess game it would be interesting to play again or practice the possible moves according to a scenario played by experts.until humans (specially the ones with power) don't realize that we are all dependent on each other we'll remain progressing much slower than we could... but well, maybe enough of war? would love to get back to chess on this thread. including discussing chess strategies and tactics, that would be interesting too well, if you want to have a partner to play now and then I'm playing almost everyday some games on lichess just taking care to not play it for too long, I could stay playing for hours and as much as I love chess it's not the main thing I want to do with my life. I agree it'd probably be better to change the title of this topic for something more general about chess since it's the main topic about it on the forum. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Shamm on May 12, 2022, 09:22:31 PM <...> The truth is that if strategies and types of moves were included in the thread, it would be very interesting, because not only would we be aware of a current global situation that burdens us in some way, but apart from the events of chess contests and tournaments, if at any time It goes into more technical matters, the analysis of moves and/or strategy would make the thread much more interesting for me, because I even look for the board that I have to make the moves physically, this is very interesting, besides, I have many years without chess game it would be interesting to play again or practice the possible moves according to a scenario played by experts.until humans (specially the ones with power) don't realize that we are all dependent on each other we'll remain progressing much slower than we could... but well, maybe enough of war? would love to get back to chess on this thread. including discussing chess strategies and tactics, that would be interesting too well, if you want to have a partner to play now and then I'm playing almost everyday some games on lichess just taking care to not play it for too long, I could stay playing for hours and as much as I love chess it's not the main thing I want to do with my life. I agree it'd probably be better to change the title of this topic for something more general about chess since it's the main topic about it on the forum. Chess or board games is good to enhance our skills and thinking cause you need to depend your king all the time and attack your opponent as well. You must secure every move you made to prevent loss. Second Demotion change the title and make it general for those chess lovers or chess player cause it's better we have a topic like this to being updated in boards game as well. Cause nowadays physical activities such us ball games and boxing is very known and focus. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Cryptock on May 13, 2022, 12:40:32 PM Chess or board games is good to enhance our skills and thinking cause you need to depend your king all the time and attack your opponent as well. You must secure every move you made to prevent loss. Second Demotion change the title and make it general for those chess lovers or chess player cause it's better we have a topic like this to being updated in boards game as well. Cause nowadays physical activities such us ball games and boxing is very known and focus. Earlier we used to spend so much time on boards without distraction. Now I can not even concentrate on game for more than 5 mins. I think what I am lacking now is the focus and attention. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on May 13, 2022, 02:43:18 PM <...> Chess or board games is good to enhance our skills and thinking cause you need to depend your king all the time and attack your opponent as well. You must secure every move you made to prevent loss. Second Demotion change the title and make it general for those chess lovers or chess player cause it's better we have a topic like this to being updated in boards game as well. Cause nowadays physical activities such us ball games and boxing is very known and focus. Board games are great for making relationships stronger too and have conflict situations in a controlled envinronment it can teach you a lot about how others think and see the world as well as help you understand yourself better. it's truly amazing. regarding changing the title, we'd just need @Boristhecat to agree with it, I think it's probably possible to change it by editing the OP. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Shamm on May 13, 2022, 02:55:39 PM Chess or board games is good to enhance our skills and thinking cause you need to depend your king all the time and attack your opponent as well. You must secure every move you made to prevent loss. Second Demotion change the title and make it general for those chess lovers or chess player cause it's better we have a topic like this to being updated in boards game as well. Cause nowadays physical activities such us ball games and boxing is very known and focus. Earlier we used to spend so much time on boards without distraction. Now I can not even concentrate on game for more than 5 mins. I think what I am lacking now is the focus and attention. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Boristhecat on May 13, 2022, 05:21:30 PM I would not advise anyone to play with the computer (unless it's a problem solving or tactical assault on chess.com which is very funny and useful for developing tactical thinking) as the computer plays boring (and hard even if you adjust the difficulty level) - it beats everything mood to play. Playing with a person is always more adrenaline and entertainment. THese board games were popular in 90's when friends and cousins used to get together and there was no distraction like mobile phones and TV. Chess is also dying game. And what games do you think people have time for? Or do you propose not to play anything at all, but only to work? It's kind of weird to hear that chess is a dying game, because if I'm on the internet chatting with a person from another country/culture and we suddenly decide to have some fun, then chess is more likely to be a common place where we can do it than any other computer game. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Theones on May 13, 2022, 09:03:09 PM Chess is not just very easy to not just you can move and move your army you need to study it, and to play a chess you need more time, because like what I said above chess is the only game that you need to focus on in cause every single move you need to think widely what's the best move to take cause your opponent studying your moves to counter it with a perfect timing. so focus and let you mind think wants the opponent moves then counter It. There are TVs, Computer, mobiles, tabs mostly each members in house have 3/4 screens. This is so much distraction and I have noticed I now forget things very easily even while talking over phone I don't remember what I was talking about. I need focus and my chess game back. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on May 16, 2022, 07:14:03 PM this Tik-tok'fication of the culture where attention spans are getting smaller is both a negative point for chess (people can't focus) and a positive one (people who want to run away from it will find it cozy and nice exercise to play chess)
I bet that with computer chess we see way more blitz and fast-chess games than in the past but this is not bad per se Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: KTChampions on May 16, 2022, 07:41:22 PM this Tik-tok'fication of the culture where attention spans are getting smaller is both a negative point for chess (people can't focus) and a positive one (people who want to run away from it will find it cozy and nice exercise to play chess) I bet that with computer chess we see way more blitz and fast-chess games than in the past but this is not bad per se The main reason why we see the total dominance of blitz in online chess is cheaters. Given the fact that now the simplest program is capable of giving hints stronger than the best human players, it is very easy to cheat. But when you have a minute or two per game, then you obviously won't have time to cheat. Well, and to be honest, blitz is adrenaline, I like to have fun like that sometimes :D Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: gagux123 on May 16, 2022, 08:03:00 PM was is always the worst possible outcome. That is not possible -the are one of the biggest oil producer in the world and banning Russia is banning the oil. this is not going to work? Has EU banned buying oil from Russia as well? until humans (specially the ones with power) don't realize that we are all dependent on each other we'll remain progressing much slower than we could... but well, maybe enough of war? would love to get back to chess on this thread. including discussing chess strategies and tactics, that would be interesting too I believe we could improve the quality of this topic sharing videos, moves, tutorials and others relevants things... incredible as it may seem, I didn't know we had a topic focused exclusively on chess (which I found very interesting), because at the moment I'm learning to improve my skills in this "board game"! Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on May 17, 2022, 09:09:12 PM this Tik-tok'fication of the culture where attention spans are getting smaller is both a negative point for chess (people can't focus) and a positive one (people who want to run away from it will find it cozy and nice exercise to play chess) I bet that with computer chess we see way more blitz and fast-chess games than in the past but this is not bad per se The main reason why we see the total dominance of blitz in online chess is cheaters. Given the fact that now the simplest program is capable of giving hints stronger than the best human players, it is very easy to cheat. But when you have a minute or two per game, then you obviously won't have time to cheat. Well, and to be honest, blitz is adrenaline, I like to have fun like that sometimes :D do you know lichess (and probably chess.com too) has an anti-cheat mechanism? as far as I remember it's coded in python, you can find more information about it on their database. I agree that blitz is adrenaline, I stopped playing late at night otherwise I can't sleep well ;D too much dopamine but I think long games are also possible without cheaters. <...> how is your journey going? Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Cryptock on May 18, 2022, 10:35:55 PM And what games do you think people have time for? Or do you propose not to play anything at all, but only to work? It's kind of weird to hear that chess is a dying game, because if I'm on the internet chatting with a person from another country/culture and we suddenly decide to have some fun, then chess is more likely to be a common place where we can do it than any other computer game. Although many people are very loud is promoting board games but how many of us actually have time to get rid of screens? Time have changed a lot. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on May 19, 2022, 02:26:17 PM And what games do you think people have time for? Or do you propose not to play anything at all, but only to work? It's kind of weird to hear that chess is a dying game, because if I'm on the internet chatting with a person from another country/culture and we suddenly decide to have some fun, then chess is more likely to be a common place where we can do it than any other computer game. Although many people are very loud is promoting board games but how many of us actually have time to get rid of screens? Time have changed a lot. well, everyone has the same 24 hours in a day limiting screen time for children is a mission for their parents have you heard that on silicon valley most of the children of these parents that work at social media and tech company can't use screens at all or have very limited access to it? Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Theones on May 19, 2022, 08:19:45 PM well, everyone has the same 24 hours in a day I wonder how they avoid screens. Especially parent when during pandemic everyone was working from home and screen time increased drastically. limiting screen time for children is a mission for their parents have you heard that on silicon valley most of the children of these parents that work at social media and tech company can't use screens at all or have very limited access to it? Also I am not sure - what is point of playing chess online - it kills the concept of board game and family time. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: dbc23 on May 19, 2022, 10:22:52 PM well, everyone has the same 24 hours in a day I wonder how they avoid screens. Especially parent when during pandemic everyone was working from home and screen time increased drastically. limiting screen time for children is a mission for their parents have you heard that on silicon valley most of the children of these parents that work at social media and tech company can't use screens at all or have very limited access to it? Also I am not sure - what is point of playing chess online - it kills the concept of board game and family time. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Cryptock on May 20, 2022, 10:14:28 PM Screens serve as the major companion for most younger generation. Reason been that most parents don't have time to make their ward appreciate the beauty of board chess game. In the absence of family time this young ones improvise into playing video games and watching YouTube videos. In this time implementing things using a forceful measure might only be an end to a dreadful home. It boils down to parents to create time out of busy schedules to make their wards appreciate board games else it just fades away Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: qwertyup23 on May 20, 2022, 11:48:03 PM Screens serve as the major companion for most younger generation. Reason been that most parents don't have time to make their ward appreciate the beauty of board chess game. In the absence of family time this young ones improvise into playing video games and watching YouTube videos. In this time implementing things using a forceful measure might only be an end to a dreadful home. It boils down to parents to create time out of busy schedules to make their wards appreciate board games else it just fades away I think this depends on the rules and household set by the parents. Most of my friends have parents that are lenient in way that they let them hang or do anything to the kids. But there are certain rules to be followed (e.g. curfew by this hour, etc.). Though this may be the case, the wellbeing of these children are not that affected to the point that they become problematic in the future. Anyway not to deviate from this discussion, Chessable Masters ended with a bang with Magnus securing 8 points, defeating Jordan and and Grandelius in the process. What do you guys think of this tournament? Will Magnus certainly dominate again in this tournament like in all previous tournaments he participated in? Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: KTChampions on May 21, 2022, 11:22:23 AM Screens serve as the major companion for most younger generation. Reason been that most parents don't have time to make their ward appreciate the beauty of board chess game. In the absence of family time this young ones improvise into playing video games and watching YouTube videos. In this time implementing things using a forceful measure might only be an end to a dreadful home. It boils down to parents to create time out of busy schedules to make their wards appreciate board games else it just fades away Everything that requires artificial efforts to maintain "interest" should die out - why is it needed if it does not interest people on a voluntary basis? But this has nothing to do with chess, if you look at YouTube or twitch, then there are a lot of young streamers who play chess and I strongly doubt that their viewers are old, most likely this is also a young audience. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: KennyR on May 22, 2022, 03:43:49 AM Praggnanandhaa defeats World Chess Champion Magnus Carlsen for the second time. Amidst his eleventh grade school exam he have played Chess online and have marked the win. The second win have come within three months of the first win which was a big one. The match was towards draw, but the mistake at the end have costed Magnus Carlsen loss it. After the win Praggnanandhaa mentioned that he isn't happy with his play and he needs to improve himself to be more sharper.
Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: KTChampions on May 22, 2022, 09:32:04 AM Praggnanandhaa defeats World Chess Champion Magnus Carlsen for the second time. Amidst his eleventh grade school exam he have played Chess online and have marked the win. The second win have come within three months of the first win which was a big one. The match was towards draw, but the mistake at the end have costed Magnus Carlsen loss it. After the win Praggnanandhaa mentioned that he isn't happy with his play and he needs to improve himself to be more sharper. This is not classical chess, but rapid. Losses in rapid (and blitz) chess are common for any chess player. Although of course this is a big milestone for the Indian chess player. It will be interesting to see how he progresses - maybe he is the future champion and not Firuja (who seems to be a bit stuck in talented players and still can't make a qualitative leap)? Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Cryptock on May 22, 2022, 02:05:47 PM Screens serve as the major companion for most younger generation. Reason been that most parents don't have time to make their ward appreciate the beauty of board chess game. In the absence of family time this young ones improvise into playing video games and watching YouTube videos. In this time implementing things using a forceful measure might only be an end to a dreadful home. It boils down to parents to create time out of busy schedules to make their wards appreciate board games else it just fades away There is so much distractions - emails, voice message, calls, social media that screens has made us addicted, I miss the time where there were no mobile phone and we all use to play chess together with siblings and cousins. Gone are the good days. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: gagux123 on May 22, 2022, 06:43:31 PM how is your journey going? Well.... i'm Studying a little bit every day, not too seriously!!I'm learning some basic/intermediary moves and watching some videos on Youtube, and you!!? Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: yayayo on May 22, 2022, 06:48:28 PM It's hard to imagine how good those world champions like Carlsen and that Nepo are. They are of such a high level that normal people will not be able to understand their way of thinking. I did read that Carlsen has been the world champion in classical chess for a long time. Only Kasparov has dominated this sport before I think. Nowadays a lot is done with a computer, that used to be only with books and a chessboard.
ya.ya.yo! Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Cryptock on May 23, 2022, 04:30:21 PM It's hard to imagine how good those world champions like Carlsen and that Nepo are. They are of such a high level that normal people will not be able to understand their way of thinking. I did read that Carlsen has been the world champion in classical chess for a long time. Only Kasparov has dominated this sport before I think. Nowadays a lot is done with a computer, that used to be only with books and a chessboard. Chess is a wonderful game. We use to play it for hours during summer break when our cousin used to visit. ya.ya.yo! Those were wonderful days. Now due to distractions and screen - everything has changed. Even the kids play games on mobile and computers. Time has changed. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: LUCKMCFLY on May 24, 2022, 03:02:28 AM was is always the worst possible outcome. That is not possible -the are one of the biggest oil producer in the world and banning Russia is banning the oil. this is not going to work? Has EU banned buying oil from Russia as well? until humans (specially the ones with power) don't realize that we are all dependent on each other we'll remain progressing much slower than we could... but well, maybe enough of war? would love to get back to chess on this thread. including discussing chess strategies and tactics, that would be interesting too I believe we could improve the quality of this topic sharing videos, moves, tutorials and others relevants things... incredible as it may seem, I didn't know we had a topic focused exclusively on chess (which I found very interesting), because at the moment I'm learning to improve my skills in this "board game"! Yes Well, I'm very happy that you're improving your game, the truth is that this sport is very good, besides, it requires a lot of time to improve, I see it as analogous to swimming because if you want to lose time you have to train for many hours and chess you have to train a lot to improve, unless you are a genius and you understand everything quickly and see moves in a short time, which, that skill is taken based on more training, I do not know if you have seen a series called "Queen's Gambit"? It is an excellent series, it would be very good if you saw it so you get more motivated, they show it on netflix, I really recommend it. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: KTChampions on May 24, 2022, 08:48:30 PM It's hard to imagine how good those world champions like Carlsen and that Nepo are. They are of such a high level that normal people will not be able to understand their way of thinking. I did read that Carlsen has been the world champion in classical chess for a long time. Only Kasparov has dominated this sport before I think. Nowadays a lot is done with a computer, that used to be only with books and a chessboard. ya.ya.yo! Nepomniachtchi is not even close to Carlsen, while Carlsen approaches (or has already reached) the level of Kasparov. As for dominance, Karpov dominated in the same way before Kasparov, but he was able to hold the lead for less time. But you are right that now the times have irreversibly changed - computer analysis has become so deep that now people use it to understand chess, while before they had to figure everything out on their own. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on May 24, 2022, 10:03:13 PM <...> <...>Also I am not sure - what is point of playing chess online - it kills the concept of board game and family time. for me the coolest thing about playing online is being matched with people more or less my ranking, what makes the game more challenging in real life is a bit harder for me to find people who play chess often and are good at it. how is your journey going? Well.... i'm Studying a little bit every day, not too seriously!!I'm learning some basic/intermediary moves and watching some videos on Youtube, and you!!? amazing! I'm still playing a lot, almost everyday, but want to get back to study more, I should improve my midgame and endgame starting to get openings better lately I'm practicing most of the times with the same opening and same defense, as advised by a friend who's really into chess (ranked about 2000 on lichess) Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Boristhecat on May 25, 2022, 04:56:35 PM for me the coolest thing about playing online is being matched with people more or less my ranking, what makes the game more challenging in real life is a bit harder for me to find people who play chess often and are good at it. ELO/MMR matchmaking is one of the coolest features in any online game. If both sides are honest, then a competitive game is obtained that is interesting to both sides. It's funny that even here there are fans of cheating - they deliberately drain the rating in order to dominate weak players later. And many sites are banned for this (for example, Lichess, as far as I know). Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on May 25, 2022, 08:56:42 PM for me the coolest thing about playing online is being matched with people more or less my ranking, what makes the game more challenging in real life is a bit harder for me to find people who play chess often and are good at it. ELO/MMR matchmaking is one of the coolest features in any online game. If both sides are honest, then a competitive game is obtained that is interesting to both sides. It's funny that even here there are fans of cheating - they deliberately drain the rating in order to dominate weak players later. And many sites are banned for this (for example, Lichess, as far as I know). the cool part about chess too is that there's no pay to win at all, it's all about skills (if you don't cheat, of course) about the end of your message, you refer to users who lose on purpose only to be able to beat lower rank users? a bit lame if you ask my opinion but... who knows dopamine kicks are quite strong with online chess, specially for fast games. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: LUCKMCFLY on May 25, 2022, 09:41:51 PM And what games do you think people have time for? Or do you propose not to play anything at all, but only to work? It's kind of weird to hear that chess is a dying game, because if I'm on the internet chatting with a person from another country/culture and we suddenly decide to have some fun, then chess is more likely to be a common place where we can do it than any other computer game. Although many people are very loud is promoting board games but how many of us actually have time to get rid of screens? Time have changed a lot. well, everyone has the same 24 hours in a day limiting screen time for children is a mission for their parents have you heard that on silicon valley most of the children of these parents that work at social media and tech company can't use screens at all or have very limited access to it? This seems very good to me, but I think they do it as a protection measure for children and do not access pages that are potentially very dangerous for them, but it is good that children, parents encourage them to platforms or apps that are quite good As in the case of Duolingo, which teaches languages, or maybe you see a page that can teach them chess moves or that they play chess, I know that now everything in children's culture is digital because even the very tasks that they are sent in schools have to do with it, therefore children are now very expert looking for anything on the internet, so if these sites are encouraged with the respective guidance and supervision, everything can go well. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: gagux123 on May 26, 2022, 05:56:49 AM amazing! I'm still playing a lot, almost everyday, but want to get back to study more, I should improve my midgame and endgame starting to get openings better lately I'm practicing most of the times with the same opening and same defense, as advised by a friend who's really into chess (ranked about 2000 on lichess) Yes Well, I'm very happy that you're improving your game, the truth is that this sport is very good, besides, it requires a lot of time to improve, I see it as analogous to swimming because if you want to lose time you have to train for many hours and chess you have to train a lot to improve, unless you are a genius and you understand everything quickly and see moves in a short time, which, that skill is taken based on more training, I do not know if you have seen a series called "Queen's Gambit"? It is an excellent series, it would be very good if you saw it so you get more motivated, they show it on netflix, I really recommend it. Hmm....thanks for that info and the recommendation @LUCKMCFLY I'll check it out on Netflix. @Lucasgabd @LUCKMCFLY Just like in the most varied sports, for you to improve and gain skills and experience, you need to practice, practice and practice again!! I believe this is the best way for a player to improve in this sport. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on May 26, 2022, 09:28:43 PM <...> This seems very good to me, but I think they do it as a protection measure for children and do not access pages that are potentially very dangerous for them, but it is good that children, parents encourage them to platforms or apps that are quite good As in the case of Duolingo, which teaches languages, or maybe you see a page that can teach them chess moves or that they play chess, I know that now everything in children's culture is digital because even the very tasks that they are sent in schools have to do with it, therefore children are now very expert looking for anything on the internet, so if these sites are encouraged with the respective guidance and supervision, everything can go well. I don't think it's only that. Phones can be an amazing tool, of course, like when you mention duolingo but they can be addicting and destructive too there are some interesting articles and news on that, check it here: Silicon Valley parents banning tech for their kids (https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-48533999) amazing! I'm still playing a lot, almost everyday, but want to get back to study more, I should improve my midgame and endgame starting to get openings better lately I'm practicing most of the times with the same opening and same defense, as advised by a friend who's really into chess (ranked about 2000 on lichess) Yes Well, I'm very happy that you're improving your game, the truth is that this sport is very good, besides, it requires a lot of time to improve, I see it as analogous to swimming because if you want to lose time you have to train for many hours and chess you have to train a lot to improve, unless you are a genius and you understand everything quickly and see moves in a short time, which, that skill is taken based on more training, I do not know if you have seen a series called "Queen's Gambit"? It is an excellent series, it would be very good if you saw it so you get more motivated, they show it on netflix, I really recommend it. Hmm....thanks for that info and the recommendation @LUCKMCFLY I'll check it out on Netflix. @Lucasgabd @LUCKMCFLY Just like in the most varied sports, for you to improve and gain skills and experience, you need to practice, practice and practice again!! I believe this is the best way for a player to improve in this sport. another vote for the seris "Queen's Gambit" here, it's a great series, and also my favorite opening when playing whites. I agree that practice helps to improve, but studying and learning more strategies and techniques too! Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: gagux123 on May 27, 2022, 09:30:32 PM another vote for the seris "Queen's Gambit" here, it's a great series, and also my favorite opening when playing whites. Hmm... interesting! Thanks for your recommendation and shared with us.I agree that practice helps to improve, but studying and learning more strategies and techniques too! Talking about learning, yes, sure, because one thing complements the other! It is interesting to study, learn new strategies, see tutorials and strategies and put all this into practice. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: qwertyup23 on May 27, 2022, 11:31:59 PM another vote for the seris "Queen's Gambit" here, it's a great series, and also my favorite opening when playing whites. Hmm... interesting! Thanks for your recommendation and shared with us.I agree that practice helps to improve, but studying and learning more strategies and techniques too! Talking about learning, yes, sure, because one thing complements the other! It is interesting to study, learn new strategies, see tutorials and strategies and put all this into practice. The Queen's Gambit opening is considered one of the strongest opening for white due to its aggressiveness. There are lots of traps in that position where you can win a piece or even sacrifice a piece to checkmate the King in a specific move order, but I will highly recommend for you to master it! Another fun fact, that is also the reason on why the series on Netflix is named after such opening. It has been used by chess GMs over and over again to the point that they already know or encountered the same position repeatedly. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Cryptock on May 28, 2022, 01:25:03 PM another vote for the seris "Queen's Gambit" here, it's a great series, and also my favorite opening when playing whites. Hmm... interesting! Thanks for your recommendation and shared with us.I agree that practice helps to improve, but studying and learning more strategies and techniques too! Talking about learning, yes, sure, because one thing complements the other! It is interesting to study, learn new strategies, see tutorials and strategies and put all this into practice. The Queen's Gambit opening is considered one of the strongest opening for white due to its aggressiveness. There are lots of traps in that position where you can win a piece or even sacrifice a piece to checkmate the King in a specific move order, but I will highly recommend for you to master it! Another fun fact, that is also the reason on why the series on Netflix is named after such opening. It has been used by chess GMs over and over again to the point that they already know or encountered the same position repeatedly. Thanks to one who suggest it. Got a good stuff to binge watch NETFLIX now. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: qwertyup23 on May 28, 2022, 11:59:16 PM So the Champions Chess Tour just finished and a big congratulations for Ding Liren for winning the match against Pragg! I really thought that Pragg would win given that he has been dominating the tournament so far but Ding managed to beat him in a best of 3 series.
If Ding were to participate and win in the candidates, I do think that Magnus Carlsen would participate in the next WCC, since he had mentioned in the past that he would most likely not participate until he is against Alireza. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: gagux123 on May 29, 2022, 09:49:15 PM The Queen's Gambit opening is considered one of the strongest opening for white due to its aggressiveness. There are lots of traps in that position where you can win a piece or even sacrifice a piece to checkmate the King in a specific move order, but I will highly recommend for you to master it! wow, interesting, I confess I didn't know that! thanks @qwertyup23 Another fun fact, that is also the reason on why the series on Netflix is named after such opening. It has been used by chess GMs over and over again to the point that they already know or encountered the same position repeatedly. I confess that with each passing day I am more interested in chess, although I am a beginner, I need to learn several things, tactics and moves! When I see some chess pros playing I feel useless lol, I'm extremely impressed with what some people can do during a chess game Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Cryptock on May 30, 2022, 04:32:38 PM another vote for the seris "Queen's Gambit" here, it's a great series, and also my favorite opening when playing whites. Hmm... interesting! Thanks for your recommendation and shared with us.I agree that practice helps to improve, but studying and learning more strategies and techniques too! Talking about learning, yes, sure, because one thing complements the other! It is interesting to study, learn new strategies, see tutorials and strategies and put all this into practice. The Queen's Gambit opening is considered one of the strongest opening for white due to its aggressiveness. There are lots of traps in that position where you can win a piece or even sacrifice a piece to checkmate the King in a specific move order, but I will highly recommend for you to master it! Another fun fact, that is also the reason on why the series on Netflix is named after such opening. It has been used by chess GMs over and over again to the point that they already know or encountered the same position repeatedly. This is very beautiful series and I liked it so much - particularly how the game changes the life of little Hermon. Is it based on true events? Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on May 31, 2022, 07:53:30 PM The Queen's Gambit opening is considered one of the strongest opening for white due to its aggressiveness. There are lots of traps in that position where you can win a piece or even sacrifice a piece to checkmate the King in a specific move order, but I will highly recommend for you to master it! wow, interesting, I confess I didn't know that! thanks @qwertyup23 Another fun fact, that is also the reason on why the series on Netflix is named after such opening. It has been used by chess GMs over and over again to the point that they already know or encountered the same position repeatedly. I confess that with each passing day I am more interested in chess, although I am a beginner, I need to learn several things, tactics and moves! When I see some chess pros playing I feel useless lol, I'm extremely impressed with what some people can do during a chess game when I started I was really impressed with people being able to predict 3 turns ahead, lol now I can do it finally climbed back to 1300 ranking on blitz games still a long way to go but I'm having a lot of fun regarding openings with whites I keep using the Queen's Gambit, for some reason I prefer it that opening with e4, the most traditional way. another vote for the seris "Queen's Gambit" here, it's a great series, and also my favorite opening when playing whites. Hmm... interesting! Thanks for your recommendation and shared with us.I agree that practice helps to improve, but studying and learning more strategies and techniques too! Talking about learning, yes, sure, because one thing complements the other! It is interesting to study, learn new strategies, see tutorials and strategies and put all this into practice. The Queen's Gambit opening is considered one of the strongest opening for white due to its aggressiveness. There are lots of traps in that position where you can win a piece or even sacrifice a piece to checkmate the King in a specific move order, but I will highly recommend for you to master it! Another fun fact, that is also the reason on why the series on Netflix is named after such opening. It has been used by chess GMs over and over again to the point that they already know or encountered the same position repeatedly. This is very beautiful series and I liked it so much - particularly how the game changes the life of little Hermon. Is it based on true events? if my memory is correct the series is based on an homonymous novel, but not a true story, a fictional one still amazing :) I should watch it again one day now that I know a bit more about chess Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Cryptock on June 04, 2022, 04:56:40 PM if my memory is correct the series is based on an homonymous novel, but not a true story, a fictional one still amazing :) I should watch it again one day now that I know a bit more about chess But the heroine showed a strong character in the series but I am unable to understand the end. Why she missed he flight after winning in Russia. Is there a new series coming up? Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: STT on June 04, 2022, 08:00:11 PM about the end of your message, you refer to users who lose on purpose only to be able to beat lower rank users? a bit lame if you ask my opinion but... who knows dopamine kicks are quite strong with online chess, specially for fast games. Happens in just about every competitive game I've come across. Serious accounts to aim for high rank and then secondary accounts to 'warm up' where its often experienced players beating those new to the game or still learning etc. I cant do the fast games, some people are ace at bullet chess just not something I've ever been good at. Thats very popular for streaming I think. I just given a diamond account on Chess.com to try out, presumably because I dont play alot they trying to get me back into it :p The timing for this world championship was lucky for Ian despite the loss, I dont think they'd allow it to proceed with the current sanctions etc. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Cryptock on June 05, 2022, 08:24:17 AM The timing for this world championship was lucky for Ian despite the loss, I dont think they'd allow it to proceed with the current sanctions etc. I was watching a TV series and it showed there was a time people were crazy for chess in Russia. Is it still true? are People into chess in Russia or not? Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on June 06, 2022, 02:28:12 PM The timing for this world championship was lucky for Ian despite the loss, I dont think they'd allow it to proceed with the current sanctions etc. I was watching a TV series and it showed there was a time people were crazy for chess in Russia. Is it still true? are People into chess in Russia or not? I think it's still quite big but we would need someone from Russia to confirm. if my memory is correct the series is based on an homonymous novel, but not a true story, a fictional one still amazing :) I should watch it again one day now that I know a bit more about chess But the heroine showed a strong character in the series but I am unable to understand the end. Why she missed he flight after winning in Russia. Is there a new series coming up? not sure if there's a sequence coming... I think there's no big deal on missing the flight for a new chess game haha just her style, she could get another plane of reschedule later damn, we just gave a huge spoiler about the end of your message, you refer to users who lose on purpose only to be able to beat lower rank users? a bit lame if you ask my opinion but... who knows dopamine kicks are quite strong with online chess, specially for fast games. Happens in just about every competitive game I've come across. Serious accounts to aim for high rank and then secondary accounts to 'warm up' where its often experienced players beating those new to the game or still learning etc. I cant do the fast games, some people are ace at bullet chess just not something I've ever been good at. Thats very popular for streaming I think. I just given a diamond account on Chess.com to try out, presumably because I dont play alot they trying to get me back into it :p The timing for this world championship was lucky for Ian despite the loss, I dont think they'd allow it to proceed with the current sanctions etc. yes, when I started I didn't like 5 minutes games, they were too fast for me, now 10 minute ones seems slow but I suppose it varies from person to person I've been observing how too much online chess affects my mood and behavior, crazy stuff I took a day off from playing 2 days ago, and yesterday only one hard victory was enough to flood my brain with dopamine and make me so happy, though if I loose a lot I become grumpy hahahah will probably take more breaks from now on and try to limit my chess time to no more than 3 games a day (1 blits and 2 rapid or 2 blitz and 1 rapid) chess is cool but I'm not aiming to be a grand master or something Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Cryptock on June 06, 2022, 04:47:00 PM will probably take more breaks from now on and try to limit my chess time to no more than 3 games a day (1 blits and 2 rapid or 2 blitz and 1 rapid) chess is cool but I'm not aiming to be a grand master or something Chess really opens up mind and makes your mind and nerves strong. If you are good in chess - just take it to the next lever. Its real fun Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on June 07, 2022, 07:33:07 PM will probably take more breaks from now on and try to limit my chess time to no more than 3 games a day (1 blits and 2 rapid or 2 blitz and 1 rapid) chess is cool but I'm not aiming to be a grand master or something Chess really opens up mind and makes your mind and nerves strong. If you are good in chess - just take it to the next lever. Its real fun well, there are two things to comment about that miss Herman didn't play online, she played and studied it in person, I think it makes a really big difference for the brain. second one is that the lady had severe drug dependence, which is not my case I think it's good to have some balance between mental activities and physical activities but you're right, I don't want to be a grand master and probably won't compete in tournaments ;) just like to play for fun and to improve myself Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: LUCKMCFLY on June 09, 2022, 09:31:52 PM <...> This seems very good to me, but I think they do it as a protection measure for children and do not access pages that are potentially very dangerous for them, but it is good that children, parents encourage them to platforms or apps that are quite good As in the case of Duolingo, which teaches languages, or maybe you see a page that can teach them chess moves or that they play chess, I know that now everything in children's culture is digital because even the very tasks that they are sent in schools have to do with it, therefore children are now very expert looking for anything on the internet, so if these sites are encouraged with the respective guidance and supervision, everything can go well. I don't think it's only that. Phones can be an amazing tool, of course, like when you mention duolingo but they can be addicting and destructive too there are some interesting articles and news on that, check it here: Silicon Valley parents banning tech for their kids (https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-48533999) amazing! I'm still playing a lot, almost everyday, but want to get back to study more, I should improve my midgame and endgame starting to get openings better lately I'm practicing most of the times with the same opening and same defense, as advised by a friend who's really into chess (ranked about 2000 on lichess) Yes Well, I'm very happy that you're improving your game, the truth is that this sport is very good, besides, it requires a lot of time to improve, I see it as analogous to swimming because if you want to lose time you have to train for many hours and chess you have to train a lot to improve, unless you are a genius and you understand everything quickly and see moves in a short time, which, that skill is taken based on more training, I do not know if you have seen a series called "Queen's Gambit"? It is an excellent series, it would be very good if you saw it so you get more motivated, they show it on netflix, I really recommend it. Hmm....thanks for that info and the recommendation @LUCKMCFLY I'll check it out on Netflix. @Lucasgabd @LUCKMCFLY Just like in the most varied sports, for you to improve and gain skills and experience, you need to practice, practice and practice again!! I believe this is the best way for a player to improve in this sport. another vote for the seris "Queen's Gambit" here, it's a great series, and also my favorite opening when playing whites. I agree that practice helps to improve, but studying and learning more strategies and techniques too! I am glad that you liked the series, the truth is that she shows a special talent there, but the series also shows us that those who study the most also have the possibility of being very successful, I also like how they show the Russians, really always I have known that the Russians are very good at chess as well as programming, so what I did not know is that a large part of their success is that they work as a team and that is why they are so good, before I used to think that they were very lonely and that they were very individualistic, but in the series they show that the Americans at that time were the most individual. The fact of seeing 4 or 5 moves is already enough, since I was 5 years old I played a lot of chess, then I stopped and when I was that age I had the ability to see many moves but I got very tired, so what I developed the most was concentration, obviously from then on for me math and everything that had to do with the study was too simple for me, in fact it still is, but what I admire most is that everyone reads the books, the openings and is aware of the updates, that's what makes them better chess players. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Cryptock on June 11, 2022, 08:08:11 PM well, there are two things to comment about that miss Herman didn't play online, she played and studied it in person, I think it makes a really big difference for the brain. second one is that the lady had severe drug dependence, which is not my case I think it's good to have some balance between mental activities and physical activities but you're right, I don't want to be a grand master and probably won't compete in tournaments ;) just like to play for fun and to improve myself There is struggle in the everything. Only the focused one wins. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on June 14, 2022, 05:25:06 PM <...> There is struggle in the everything. Only the focused one wins. totally agree, she comes from a really hard situation and still can create a good life for her, it's an amazing series all this conversation about it makes me want to watch it again, maybe one day in the future <..> The fact of seeing 4 or 5 moves is already enough, since I was 5 years old I played a lot of chess, then I stopped and when I was that age I had the ability to see many moves but I got very tired, so what I developed the most was concentration, obviously from then on for me math and everything that had to do with the study was too simple for me, in fact it still is, but what I admire most is that everyone reads the books, the openings and is aware of the updates, that's what makes them better chess players. lately I feel that being able to master the finals is even more important then the openings, you can get along well with the same opening and the same defense until advanced levels, probably but knowing how to go to the midgame and checkmate when the board is almost empty is art! Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: South Park on June 15, 2022, 02:27:13 AM lately I feel that being able to master the finals is even more important then the openings, you can get along well with the same opening and the same defense until advanced levels, probably This is true, while openings are important even if you make a mistake you have the whole game to recover from it, so unless it is a terrible mistake you can still make a comeback, but when it comes to endings even the smallest inaccuracy in your play can be more than enough to produce a loss, also since the game is already on its latest stage any mistake is basically irreparable, and if to this we add that even if you have an advantage there are some endings in which if you did not took the time to study them you cannot pull off the win, like the ending of king, bishop and knight vs king, then this demonstrates the importance of studying end game theory.but knowing how to go to the midgame and checkmate when the board is almost empty is art! Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on June 15, 2022, 02:35:25 PM lately I feel that being able to master the finals is even more important then the openings, you can get along well with the same opening and the same defense until advanced levels, probably This is true, while openings are important even if you make a mistake you have the whole game to recover from it, so unless it is a terrible mistake you can still make a comeback, but when it comes to endings even the smallest inaccuracy in your play can be more than enough to produce a loss, also since the game is already on its latest stage any mistake is basically irreparable, and if to this we add that even if you have an advantage there are some endings in which if you did not took the time to study them you cannot pull off the win, like the ending of king, bishop and knight vs king, then this demonstrates the importance of studying end game theory.but knowing how to go to the midgame and checkmate when the board is almost empty is art! yes, much easier to end if you have pawns/towers/queen I want to dive into this and study it more. endings and tactics for the middle game it's impressive how many things there are to learn Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: LUCKMCFLY on June 23, 2022, 12:53:28 AM lately I feel that being able to master the finals is even more important then the openings, you can get along well with the same opening and the same defense until advanced levels, probably but knowing how to go to the midgame and checkmate when the board is almost empty is art! The truth is that I'm very bad at finals, I'm good at openings and keeping the game in dominance, but when I see that they start to beat me a lot, I don't know, I don't have that ability to recover like the others have, I don't know. if it is that I get tired of thinking or simply how my plans are knocked down, I can't think of another way to get out of trouble, that is why when I play I try to dominate the whole game so that the end doesn't have to think much, there are others who they are experts, who even losing and entering the final stage are capable of turning the game around, I say this because it has happened to me and it really makes me very angry, although I end up accepting that this is part of the game, my anger is with myself. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on June 23, 2022, 01:57:01 PM lately I feel that being able to master the finals is even more important then the openings, you can get along well with the same opening and the same defense until advanced levels, probably but knowing how to go to the midgame and checkmate when the board is almost empty is art! The truth is that I'm very bad at finals, I'm good at openings and keeping the game in dominance, but when I see that they start to beat me a lot, I don't know, I don't have that ability to recover like the others have, I don't know. if it is that I get tired of thinking or simply how my plans are knocked down, I can't think of another way to get out of trouble, that is why when I play I try to dominate the whole game so that the end doesn't have to think much, there are others who they are experts, who even losing and entering the final stage are capable of turning the game around, I say this because it has happened to me and it really makes me very angry, although I end up accepting that this is part of the game, my anger is with myself. it's crazy sometimes the player who has the advantage is not the one who wins because of silly mistakes or not knowing how to finalize the opponent with a clean board, I've played against people who couldn't finalize even with queen + rook against a lonely king, they ended up messing up and losing their rook of course this probably doesn't happen on higher ranks. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: South Park on June 24, 2022, 04:05:07 AM it's crazy While this does not happen at the higher levels, since checkmating with a queen or a rook is incredibly easy, there have been cases in which even a GM has failed to checkmate their opponent with bishop and knight vs king, some opponents are generous enough to resign and avoid getting checkmated, but there have been cases in which the opponent refuses to give up and basically dares their opponent to checkmating them on 50 plays or less, and since they have not practiced the proper technique for a long time they fail to do so and draw a game which should have been won by them.sometimes the player who has the advantage is not the one who wins because of silly mistakes or not knowing how to finalize the opponent with a clean board, I've played against people who couldn't finalize even with queen + rook against a lonely king, they ended up messing up and losing their rook of course this probably doesn't happen on higher ranks. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: vennali on June 24, 2022, 04:28:20 AM it's crazy While this does not happen at the higher levels, since checkmating with a queen or a rook is incredibly easy, there have been cases in which even a GM has failed to checkmate their opponent with bishop and knight vs king, some opponents are generous enough to resign and avoid getting checkmated, but there have been cases in which the opponent refuses to give up and basically dares their opponent to checkmating them on 50 plays or less, and since they have not practiced the proper technique for a long time they fail to do so and draw a game which should have been won by them.sometimes the player who has the advantage is not the one who wins because of silly mistakes or not knowing how to finalize the opponent with a clean board, I've played against people who couldn't finalize even with queen + rook against a lonely king, they ended up messing up and losing their rook of course this probably doesn't happen on higher ranks. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on June 24, 2022, 03:51:08 PM yes, checkmates with bishop and knight are challenging
any resources on learning it? stalemate is another funny situation where sometimes a person has a game on their hands but fails to win because of it. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: KTChampions on June 24, 2022, 04:41:33 PM yes, checkmates with bishop and knight are challenging any resources on learning it? stalemate is another funny situation where sometimes a person has a game on their hands but fails to win because of it. Try to look here: https://www.chess.com/terms/bishop-knight-checkmate But the best thing to do is practice. Probably in any chess simulator you can set the position you are interested in and try to make this checkmate against the computer. Do not forget that you must meet the 50-move rule, otherwise a draw will be fixed. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: babygun on June 24, 2022, 05:09:19 PM yes, checkmates with bishop and knight are challenging any resources on learning it? stalemate is another funny situation where sometimes a person has a game on their hands but fails to win because of it. A checkmate with bishop and knight will probably only happen in classic chess as you need to think carefully how to position them; in blitz or rapid chess it will rarely happen I guess. Lol stalemate can be funny sometimes but also frustating. I still remember one game I played years ago that I always should have won (2 towers vs 0) and still somehow my opponent managed to get a draw by stalemate... Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: KTChampions on June 24, 2022, 06:12:26 PM A checkmate with bishop and knight will probably only happen in classic chess as you need to think carefully how to position them; in blitz or rapid chess it will rarely happen I guess. Lol stalemate can be funny sometimes but also frustating. I still remember one game I played years ago that I always should have won (2 towers vs 0) and still somehow my opponent managed to get a draw by stalemate... For professional chess players, this checkmate is a common technical action. And if they are not in tight time trouble, they will easily realize the advantage. And as far as I know, in most tournaments, in order to avoid a "dirty" blitz, at least a couple of seconds of addition is given for each move. This allows you to play intelligently. Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Lucasgabd on June 28, 2022, 04:24:00 PM yes, checkmates with bishop and knight are challenging any resources on learning it? stalemate is another funny situation where sometimes a person has a game on their hands but fails to win because of it. Try to look here: https://www.chess.com/terms/bishop-knight-checkmate But the best thing to do is practice. Probably in any chess simulator you can set the position you are interested in and try to make this checkmate against the computer. Do not forget that you must meet the 50-move rule, otherwise a draw will be fixed. thanks for the information! interesting, didn't know this of the 50-move rule chess.com and lichess also have this kind of simulators where you can put the pieces you want on the table? never looked into it A checkmate with bishop and knight will probably only happen in classic chess as you need to think carefully how to position them; in blitz or rapid chess it will rarely happen I guess. Lol stalemate can be funny sometimes but also frustating. I still remember one game I played years ago that I always should have won (2 towers vs 0) and still somehow my opponent managed to get a draw by stalemate... For professional chess players, this checkmate is a common technical action. And if they are not in tight time trouble, they will easily realize the advantage. And as far as I know, in most tournaments, in order to avoid a "dirty" blitz, at least a couple of seconds of addition is given for each move. This allows you to play intelligently. even online you can play like that there's like 10+5 games where you have 10 minutes and get 5 seconds extra after each move not my favorite way to play but you're right, it gives you more time to breath Title: Re: [CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi Post by: Boristhecat on June 29, 2022, 04:57:26 PM Thanks everyone for a great discussion. I'm closing the topic as it is outdated and I suggest continuing the conversation in a new one: [CHESS] FIDE Candidates Chess Tournament 2022 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5404544.0).
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