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I claimed 0.1etc and got lucky on crash and won 1etc. When I tried to cash out, lol they asked me to deposit 0.1etc and roll over 3 times. This is nowhere mentioned in their original thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5375243.0.

Below are the proofs:
https://i.ibb.co/PFzFXQZ/cashout.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)


https://i.ibb.co/VvnDN4X/sdf15sadf46e41r5we-chatt.jpg (https://ibb.co/BgWjPM8)

I am waiting for my cash out and I will soon open a scam accusation against them if I have to.
I suggest you to stay away from this casino who is not even willing to pay 37$, guess what can happen if you play and win big there.

Edit: I got my cash out but I am sure I got it because of this forum.

Let me ask you.

Did you claim the bonus freely without a deposit or not? every bonus is always have some wagering section and deposit you should finish first before can't be withdraw not in this casino is always on every casino. I also claiming no-deposit bonus on fortune jack, guess what get balance 300$ and need to wagering 40x times + is also still need to deposit and wagering with real balance as well.

I think would be good, If you can ask them where is the rules of the bonus.

maybe their rules have changed ,just try to deposit 0.1 ETC and follow their rules ,if you are right and follow the rules but they don't pay your winnings ,you can complain to community about them ETC.casino of scam ! get a bonus there should be rules that you have to do it as I have seen many times ,it is small chance that free money from the casino can always be withdraw without a deposit !

Maybe you violated their rule or the rules have changed you may try depositing to see if you are rightly qualified for the bonuses and also try to follow all the rules.

Most casinos have wager requirements when you receive bonus before you can withdraw it all. If you have claim bonus with deposit then you are right that they are scam but if not then it's not a scam. Based on their ann thread, they have promo to claim 0.1 etc without a deposit so my guess is you claim. It without deposit therefore the site ask you to deposit 0.1 etc to wager it and withdraw the amount. They have it on their rules that bonus balance cannot be withdrawn if no deposit and wager requirement.

You only need to typw the promo code to receive 0.1 etc. See it in their ann thread.

This is already a scam accusation! You just need to move it to Scam Accusations (http://Scam Accusations) board.

The wagering requirement is something you would expect on any winning from bonuses and it's a common practice for all casinos.
The only problem here is that they didn't mention this 3x wagering requirement in their ToS. But there is this:

I already wager 10x as it is the minimum cash out possible. So everybody who got a bonus has to roll over 10x, I completed that. There was no rule mentioned in their original thread. I guess they don't have funds they just want to lure some big fish with these scammy promotional attempts. I will ask them to provide proof of enough funds, if not get paid.

I don't trust them a bit now. They allowed me to cash out and it showed waiting so there was no inbuilt system rule which was there, its only after I approached them via live chat they pull up this rule. They will pull up some other tricks after that do not even deposit a single cent.

You are right that there is no where they say about the deposit requirement + 3x wager to cash out the winning from the promo but it does not mean a scam. The site is still new and I do not think they will risk their reputation for such small amount of money because I believe they have spent a lot of money to build the casino.

You can say they are scam if you have made the 0.1 deposit and complete the 3x wager requirement but they do not process your withdrawal. What I can say about this case is, etc casino did not give complete information about the promo and you as the promo taker did not ask about it earlier before taking it.

You can withdraw but it won't be processed unless you complete the wager requirement. Anyway, you said you wagered 10 times but I have a question to ask you, what did you use to wager in their site?. Is it the bonus or the funds you deposited?. If you only use the bonus to wager 10 times then you didn't met the wager requirements needed to complete the process of your withdrawal. You must deposit and wager 3 times as what is shown on the image. Most casinos have that requirement where you deposit and wager a total of wager then your withdrawal will be completed and you will receive the funds yoy requested to withdraw.

Solved.

IMO, there has some miss communication or lack of information about the bonus code. I believe the manager or owner not telling the support assistance about the bonus code "bitcointalk" without need deposit and wager.

Check your wallet, If you confirm the withdraw should change the tittle thread.

Bitcointalk does hold the power to make or break a crypto gambling site almost always with exceptions(1xbit etc). Have observed so many sites become successes or failures in this forum over time.

Anyway, congratulations on recieving your winnings op. Honestly, the team shouldn't have messed up processing such a small amount since it's in its initial stages. They need to get their act together if they wish to compete with the big boys.

^ Definitely right but I don't think if there is no effect on the target audience, once your gambling casino has been painted red here, most of the gamblers will probably stay away or never visit your gambling casino. A known scam casino is free to operate here because the forum does not moderate scams but DT members can tag and flag them as a warning. If your casino has dozen of negative issues it will surely affect your PR.
So once a casino was here to try to promote their casino, they should not ruin their reputation, and congrats to the OP he got his withdrawal.

Although I have not read the promotion terms, I believe this deposit requirement should be clearly stated as part of the offer. Otherwise, it is misleading advertising.

From their ANN topic:

It's great to hear a success story and know that this forum provided you with a voice to be heard and rectified.  You usually hear stories of people being scammed here, so knowing that some good came from your posting your experience here is a great thing.  Thank you for sharing the end result and I'm glad that you were able to get your money that you fairly earned and rightly deserve.  What a great story of using a claim to earn some decent money.  You sir just lived the best case scenario.  Make sure you don't toss it all back in another casino.  :)

From your thread, many commented on not trusting you. Although it is realized that there are indeed many scams that occur in forums like this. If I can give you advice, make sure there are things you can trust before making a purchase or deposit.

Bonuses always have the kind of requirements so expect something that you might have to deposit or keep wagering. Why withdraw 1ETC when you still can make it grow. You got it out of nothing, make it bigger this time.

ETC.casino seems new, they are yet to establish thier rep, if they've been here enough already, they may be ever checking for multiple accounts. Case solved anyway. This is still going to be a warning about this ETC.casino though.

Good to hear you can withdraw your profit now.

Honestly this forum doesn't help you anything with your problem, because it's pure from the casino itself. But if you create a legit accusations and if they care with their reputation here, pretty sure they will solve it ASAP or they will get negative trust and flagged.

We've seen so many casino doesn't care with their reputation e.g. 1xbit. So, make sure you play a casino which have a good reputation or still no reputation (not the bad one).

OP, I support your complaint against the gambling site (ETC.casino), you are professional at heart, I like the challenges you face, not directly to the target/casino owner, I hope your case doesn't get to the fraud accusation board, hope it can be finished in this thread, if they want to keep their reputation in this forum and In case of any issues later on, great it's all done in this thread.

Indeed gambling sites are mushrooming now, do not know the motive behind the proliferation of gambling sites, whether it's easy to cheat players and a lot of money / income or other things, it is very important to be advised to play and choose a gambling site that is responsible and fair.

It seems to me that it's like the Wild West, there are many opportunities. The crypto gambling sites, especially the new ones that come out of nowhere can make a lot of money with little investment if they do things half right, especially compared to fiat sites, let alone those that do everything right and buy a license in each country where they accept players and are required to have a license for it.

As I commented in another thread, some crypto gambling sites don't even have a license, or have a license from a tax haven, which means that they don't pay taxes in practice. They may offer a better HE (less) which translates into better short term profits for the players.

The main problem they have, with the proliferation of so many sites (competition) is to maintain a flow of players to ensure a cash flow with which to maintain the business, and if they do not get it, some try to cheat, destroying their reputation.

maybe, maybe not. anyway, I'm glad your issue got resolved, and congrats.

it looks like the issue has been resolved. according to the post, ryzaadit quoted there was confusion regarding what bonus OP has. not sure how true their reason is, but at least they resolved the issue.

Good to hear some success stories and to see that the forum contributed to the recovery of your funds, unlike others who are scammed but will never attain success in the quest to get redress. Congratulations ops.

If only we can see the bonus terms prior to the creation of this thread, we can make a conclusion already. Maybe you are not really aware that there's an investment required on that bonus as I don't see any unusual to that.

Moving forward, I'm glad that you got your winnings. Next time, please read anything about the Terms so your accusation will be more solid. Maybe there's a chance they got pressured that a thread was created for awareness here in the Bitcointalk forum.

Congratulation buddy you get it at least.

That is the reason why we have a community here to get the awareness of others if there's a casino that has shitty moves against their player. Good to know either the casino didn't let their reputation ruin just because of that small amount you have won. They are here having a business and maybe they don't let this happen losing reputation here in the forum.

By the way, since your issue has been solved, you may now lock this thread, just scroll down and find lock thread option below.

That's really great to know that they paid you off. It is really important to screenshot any proof like their rules, etc. whenever you are participating on games since we are not sure about their real motive or if they are trying to make advantage of you and the forum is really helpful since they could badly hurt their own reputation if they show their real colors.

Good luck with your future bets and that was a great profit you have there.

ya.ya.yo!

They will potentially lose a lot of patrons if ever this escalated even further. As I read on this thread, it appears that there were just some misunderstanding between you two, and it could have been solved rather easily if the agent knows about the code. And you're right, bitcointalk's community may not be the best, but people still rely on this forum for their gambling habits and places on where to spend their crypto. One wrong move from the platform and they'll see their revenue gone.

you really familiarized this way right? because your Gambling site(Or the casino you are advertising) is expert in this Violated the Rules and will ban the account taking all His funds ?  ;D

actually he already edited the topic mate and mentioned that he had claimed His funds (37$ LOL)

but this is alarming attitude of the site, they first told OP that it is His right to file scam accusation but why they given His funds?

meaning they are hiding something here.

This is miscommunication and ETC.casino not giving a comprehensive rule on how to claim the bonus, they do not want to be in the spotlight so they allow you to withdraw but still, they are in the spotlight now, the casino operator should make it clear the requirement of the bonus, it's premature to call them scammer since OP got his withdrawal, it could be that this is the first time to run a casino and they have little knowledge on creating bonus and announcing it clearly to players, they should change the rule now.

If they told you about this rule before hand, maybe you weren't going to do what you did. Maybe you would see this as a waste of time.

But on the other hand, it really doesn't make sense to do a give away and reward the winners right away.

Obviously the casinos purpose was to attract more players, not looters.

But you are right, they should have informed everybody about this hidden rule. Gz on your win. You deserved it.

edit: I see the earlier posts mentioned that they had a rule about this so... I don't know. Now it looks like you got your winnings without a valid reason. That's not good.

Seems to me that this kind of things come regularly but you cannot really call it deception or a scam if they mention that this is how they do it in their rules. It just looks like you did not bother reading up on that before you used their services. So really, this thread has nothing to do with them paying you, but rather this is a thread about you complaining about something because you did not read the rules.

I also think that there has been a miscommunication here, as stated by the others as well, and shortcoming from the end of both parties. Nevertheless, if it really was an honest mistake of the casino then this gives them a chance to prove and still develop their reputation. But, once that something like this comes up again, I doubt that there is much to salvage since it will affect their image given this as a history. In addition to that, this thread, forum rather, is powerful in the sense that larger audience are served of the information and collective action is empowered in standing against issues.

There is a miscommunication between the live support and the one who manage the bitcointalk thread.
It happens in some casinos because there is no good communication between the staff.
In the case of iamwithyou, he took a special bonus which is announced in this forum by the representative of the casino then iamwithyou asked about the promo to the live support.
High likely live support works and answer as what they know only and it seems the bitcointalk representative did not tell about the special promo to the live support.

Despite the rise of social media and how popular it has become during the last years, the truth is this forum still has a lot of power, most of the reviews you can find online about casinos are either sponsored or are posted by the casino themselves.

However in the forum even if there are some accounts that may try to shill for a casino a great deal of the reviews you can find here are real, and if a casino garners a bad reputation here then they are bound to lose potential customers so many casinos try to solve whatever issue that appears here in the forum against their service as soon as possible.

The admin of the casino prefer to pay him instead of arguing or defending their rules, but there's a possibility that this thing could happen again, very important for a casino to make sure that their rules are clear or they will be a victim of their own rules, OP use this forum to threaten the admin that is not good if the forum is not meant to scam people, you can use this forum provided that the admin break their own rule but in this case, it's not.

^ As the part the I bolded above was I agree with, it is better to trust a review that comes from the community because we know they are truly experienced their review that they gave than comparing to a review service platform which is a self-review by the author and which we don't know if all statement is true. In this forum, we know about the legitimacy background check per review and it is surely authentic.
However, if you have been scammed and the casino did not have to appear here, that is how hard to find who is responsible for the fraudulent activity, the only thing is the awareness to other gamblers to avoid that casino.

It is great to hear that finally you have received the withdrawal from the casino. But I think it could be scammed if you were not aware about the forum and did not post on the forum. Also, there might have another reason that the amount of you is too small. 35$ is nothing to a casino but they tried to not give that small amount too. But they were forged by posting on the forum as a result they gave you the payment.

Congratulations for you because you got the money ;D

It is a lesson from your experience so I hope you will not get the same experience. You can use many other reputable casinos to play gambling so you can move to the other casino and feel the other experience. We do not have to play on that casino after that experience and do not repeat to deposit because we do not know the future. But the casino needs to gain trust from the users so they will not risk their reputations by not giving the withdrawal.

Good news and congratulations on you winning I guess the site admin on this forum will learn some lessons most especially as a new platform such action should be avoided in other not to scare potential customers away from their site.
And am more glad to see that the efforts of the members of this forum paid off in helping recover and cash out your winning.

You are days late congratulations op but it's wrong to do that. The funds that op withdrawn is not the funds that op deposited but won from wagering the funds got for free using the promo codes. You can find the promo code on their ann thread. The link is provided by op when op complain about not getting paid.

Exactly , if you did not shake their Heads because of this thread ? they will never make any good movement towards your case.

and with this i think they only prove how shady their site is and how incompetent they are to serve Bitcointalk gamblers.

Thanks for sharing mate and i will look into this and will surely take my distance from the said site.

Try and find out if depositing before withdrawal is a requirement,  if it is then you have no choice than to do it . Get to know if other people have experience same thing thing. If its not a requirement to deposit before withdrawal , then you can follow up to get back your money.

I see you didn't read at all that the money was withdrawn!
It wasn't about the deposit, but the casino comes up with additional conditions just to discourage users from withdrawing their winnings.
This is very unethical behavior, but I am glad that Bitcointalk has the power to criticize and eliminate such behavior.

It's probably got nothing to do with your forum post..that solved the problem. The casinos are not too worried about people posting "complaints" like this on a public forum, because they know most of this is butthurt gamblers that lost money and then they are fabricating issues like this to lash out.

In most cases problems like this is resolved in a few days.. but people do not want to wait.. they think Support staff are just there to attend to their one problem. (The smaller casinos are worts, because they have less staff)  ::)

For a well-established casino, it's not but for a new casino it is a big deal, they do not want to be put in the spotlight in the early stage of their campaign here in Bitcointalk it will derail their roadmap and all their plans here so they will attend to it and try to solve it as soon as possible, for a well-established casino people will continue to play and will just consider it as normal sometimes miscommunication.

Seems to me that this kind of things come regularly but you cannot really call it deception or a scam if they mention that this is how they do it in their rules. It just looks like you did not bother reading up on that before you used their services. So really, this thread has nothing to do with them paying you, but rather this is a thread about you complaining about something because you did not read the rules.

I don't want to make an opinion whether it's based on this forum or not but what is certain is actually something like this can't be predicted that the casino pays or not if you look at the time in minutes, I feel they need time to make your withdrawal or transaction processed .
if it's only 1x24 hours you have to wonder if they pay or not.
However, there is nothing wrong with creating a complaint forum, but you must first see how long your transaction takes to process.
Btw congrats on your claim

The truth is sometimes as victims we need to speak out and seek help from other forum members as the site will get to resolve the issue on time because they will not want to tamper with their reputation or lose the interest of the members of this forum.

Most casino that just starting do tend to use manual transaction for withdrawal processes and that's a fact but if it takes longer than expected from what they said then you should really wonder. If you don't want these kind of hassles then better to use casinos that are already fast enough on this kind of transactions or services.

Why would really be stressing out yourself on dealing with no known or less popular sites? If you dont like headaches then better to mind off on sticking with those popular or known sites.
Issues and complaints would be always present and it is just on matter on how they would be resolving those problems and able to maintain their good reputation but if it turns out
that they arent really putting up attention on resolving issues then you should anticipate that you might be dealing with a bad or a scammy site

Thank you for sharing this here mate, I checked the site and it looks like a not so trustworthy site.

Lets prevent from playing in sites such this.
and because you created a Thread here in Bitcointalk that they respond quickly? (Because they knew how large  player they can lose if this comes long) but they are something to stay away , gamblers knows what is the behavior of legit and scam site.

Yes. Sometimes the pressure that's being put on them makes them easy to move and solve it as soon as possible since there's the community that tackles about their issue.
But if there's no noise from those users that have been experiencing sort of confusing rules about their bonuses and promos. They won't take an action on it as if they've already decided and no one can change it.

Know what happens regularly ? that is People like you who are not reading the whole Post and replying as If he knew everything  because the OP clearly mentioned that he already received His funds so what is he did not Read from the rules?
The site pays Him after creating this thread here in Bitcointalk , meaning the team acknowledge the importance of their reputation here in forum , because if OP really made a mistake surely the team will depend their side and will never give Him his funds.

From my experience with many crypto casinos, you have been very lucky to cash out a win from a free bonus claim. Whether it was due to the forum or not. Of course a post here generates some publicity which can be helpful, but many casinos also ignore this very often.

You are right forum is a powerful community but sometimes a mistake can lead to a disaster just like what happened in Best Exchange project which is now a reputable project. Well in regards with that gambling site I think that's a bad move that they try first to not give you the payment and only pay after you posted it here. I think some users here would already have a bad impression to it which is not good

Indeed. That will only make us not want to play on their site and search for the other casino that wants to care for their members. They do not care about their members until they make a thread and tell us how bad their services are. At least, it is our lesson to be more careful to deposit or use their bonuses, especially when we want to play on the new casino because we do not know if they have a good effort to grow their casino or they only want to scam people.

I just visited their official thread and it seemed like their reason was they "mistook" OP's withdrawal request for something else, OP might want to quote that at the end just to make sure that everyone is in context of what happened after they paid him. Still, as OP has said, who knows, his withdrawal may not have gone through without posting it here. Or maybe who knows, the mod may have just made a mistake after all, to err is human after all.

Although it is odd, I just visited their site and it seems like their help page is down or something though, it's not linked to anything.

it is a choice regardless of what you say it is the right thing but on the other hand actually things like this can be anticipated by choosing a casino that is really tested and not fake or not well known.
regardless of sending or not about the casino back to their reputation of course, they may not pay but they should rethink their reputation because it is impossible to sacrifice reputation in exchange for a small fee

Good to hear that, some gambling site does not want to mess with the big community in the forum as one mistake, whether big or small, that would put their reputation at risk and when they have a bad reputation, that means goodbye to their business. If some gambling sites invest thousands of dollars advertising in the forum, that means they trust that the forum could help them grow their business.

This forum is a big help if you have a good case against a casino, but if you are banned because of cheating and manipulation and you open an accusation, I doubt if this forum will help you the forum is fair and will not let anyone get scam and cheat its players, glad that you got your cash out it just proves that you have a case.

And the best part is that this not only applies to casinos, it applies to any service that deals with cryptocurrencies, after all the community that uses the forum comes from all the world and uses all kind of different services as each one of our needs is unique.

This means that there are bound to be a lot of reviews from the most popular services, and even if there are not you can always ask the community and see if someone has something to say about a particular service you wanted to use, by doing this you reduce significantly the chances you could be scammed as you will stay away from those service providers which are not up to the standards of the community.

This would have been a wrong suggestion IMO because whether rules changed or not they should keep up with information to users who are patronising them so that it will be a choice to play or not and you know what you are going in for but not to keep mute on certain rules is looking like a trap.

Making out changes without letting know those players would really be not appealing on most peoples eyes which its true that it is somewhat like a trap.Good for those who do make out wins but for those

who experience losses would really changed up their impressions if  they do know those sudden changes but without having a word.Speaking of those free coins and able to make out withdrawal without

having to deposit then its odd or a bit surprising that there are casinos who do really make out such rule but i do still highly doubt on that.

Well, I think gambling casinos should have a forum discussion where to update announcements and promos. Changing rule is very crucial to the players and it could be a trap to them --this should be announced in public like if they had an announcement thread on this forum but if they don't have, that is intended just because of their own benefits. OP was right, a good thing we have a forum where we could patronize those gambling casinos regarding their updates and changing rules because when rules were implemented it should be a rule.

I think the case is close already and Op got his small winning amount. Although, it's still questionable if he did something wrong or the casino did something wrong because someone claimed that the rules are changed or perhaps the Op didn't read rules that's why there's a little misunderstanding.
But the way the casino asked some deposit first is like a scammers would do although the casino did pay Op at the end. So it means that the casino really care about their reputation over to a small amount.

Thats what matter most is that the issue had got been resolved and not left on hanging when someone do really make out some complaints.The most important thing that it had been settled or fix.

Doesnt matter on which one is fault and its just worth that casino owner would really settle things up over on messing up their sites reputation.They arent that dumb on messing
up something on a small amount.

Glad to know that you finally can cash out your reward and get it for yours.
But in relation to the rewards or bonuses in certain gambling platforms, commonly, the platforms will ask us to make certain deposit in order to be able to cash out or do the withdrawal. Without any deposit, the step may be little bit difficult, moreover if there is in their Terms & Condition.

But if this is not exactly stated or explained in their sites, thread, channels, or other Terms & Condition, you should get your rights to cash out without depositing.

And about the help from this forum, yeah, I personally also acknowledge how powerful this forum is and the fear felt by some platforms or developers if they are accused of being scammed on this forum. of course they will do various things to keep their reputation good. And I also appreciate those platforms ETC.casino who has dared to complete their responsibilities.

You are right, and that is the reason why a withdrawal can be totally delayed, however, being from the forum it is natural that sites feel the pressure not to look bad, because a bad comment or thread on the site can be disastrous for the platform, if we take into account reputation, in the forum it represents everything, I think he was very lucky indeed, but for this it is always better to read the terms and conditions well, I was a person who did not read that and I clicked accept at once.

If that casino is new, it will be good if they show a good response to us because they need to gain trust from us and one of those ways is by processing the withdrawal and will not take too long. Maybe it is okay if the process will take 1 hour to finish but if the confirming needs too long because the network has high traffic, the casino can not do anything. But if the process needs 1x24 hours, we can ask them why it takes so long, especially if we only want to withdraw less than $100.

Yes but still some people will going to test and try their site but they won't get the full trust of the people and players because of what they have done before. The people never forgets that's why it is important that the site is transparent and honest since the start of their launch if they are really serious about building up a reputation in gambling industry.

This is why we are spreading the News mate because we wanted all the people inside this forum and even those people that we know to prevent from using such site.

Yes they may show interest but upon hearing from Us? they will run away and never play or deposit in this kind of sites.

Actually OP is Indeed good in sharing this because surely if he did not put threat in His message and did not put thread here? maybe he will not getting any amount from the site.

I don't think you were paid because you made the publication here if you must tell us the truth. Have you done what they asked you to do before you were able to cash out? If you were able to cash out just because you made it public here then what will happen to those who are  not aware of this forum.

Have you read their terms and conditions? If it is indicated in their TOS that you have to wager and deposit to claim your winning prize from the free spins, then you have to comply to be able to get your winnings. Otherwise, you will not be able to get any of it because it is in their policy. You have to follow their requirements. If it isn't originally stated in their TOS, maybe they have updated it without prior notice and that's completely legal. You should have read the whole policies to avoid confusion because it was possible that they include a disclaimer that they can change without updating their clients. I know some companies which have the same policy, but most of the time the companies really update their clients that they have changed and updated their agreement and proceed to ask the permission once again.

As a player, we should do our part to read everything that is stated in the contract, agreement, policy, or terms of service, whatever you may call it. So that in the future, we will have something to hold on to because we just didn't click the "I accept and agree" button, but also read and understood everything of its content. I know most of the time people just carelessly click that button because they are too lazy to read everything. But trust me, reading that, despite the long content will benefit you in the future most especially if that something is related to money or finances in general. Make reading a habit, like they say to avoid ignorance and future troubles.

As long as they can be transparent and honest from the beginning, I am sure people will not have a problem because they can solve every problem that gamblers have. People will only see how they can solve the problem, no matter if they are new or old casinos because they will trust them so when the casino can resolve with good, I think people can trust them. Gaining trust from people is important and not many casinos can do that, even the first time they launched their site.

The one who processed withdrawal is not the owner and the owner did explained that the site's staff confused the code that op used. It is stated by the casino owner that those who created an account on their site and used the promo code "bitcointalk" and luckily won big time or decent amount will be able to withdraw the funds without having to deposit a fixed amount. You can see the image provided by op that you must deposit 0.1 ETC and wager it three times. In the "Bitcointalk" promo code, that deposit and wager requirements is not applied or exemption from the requirements.

Have you gone through their rules, terms and condition to be sure that it isn't indicated or is indicated there??

If it is then you have to abide by it to be able to get your winnings..
It's a good thing anyway that you got your cash regardless, just ensure to read through websites next time so you don't get into confusion.

Most probably he's right here and that's why the site processed his withdrawal, though its not that big but at least they make it right and hopefully not just because of this forum but also because they are really a legit. Though usually the site really ask first for you to wage some amount before you withdraw money, maybe this is just part of the rules but its good that OP was able to get that free money. Waiting for more experiences about this site and some reviews, I might try as well.

Almost all gambling sites are required to have wager requirements, but some casinos like ETC.casino read their users' inner feelings and implement them through their promotional programs. For belonging to this forum, there is no wager or additional requirements to withdraw our winnings. I really appreciate that.

ETC.casino dev confirms as well.

The same thing happened to me. Through this post, I expressed my gratitude: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5375243.msg58772186#msg58772186

congratulations to you for getting your winning money without having to deposit as they require. this forum has become the biggest supporter for those who are in the crypto ecosystem, you are using a nice trick by mentioning this forum in your conversation with the admin of etc.casino

Our forum serves as a platform where more cryptocurrency related promotion takes place. When something goes wrong automatically this will destruct the reputation of the respective business. Thats the major reason why these gambling sites give the best support to its users when something is brought to the forum for discussion through scam accusation.

Forum is very powerful, and small mistakes from the gambling platform will affect the long term growth. The investors doesn't want this to happen, because the loss is being faced by them.

This is one of the things that makes this forum so powerful, when it comes to other platforms it is impossible to get any kind of long lasting effect on a service that scammed you because your voice very quickly is drown by many others that praise the casino, and in may instances those people are being paid by the casino to be promoted on social media.

But here in the forum it does not matter if you are a newbie, if you can present a solid case against a casino the rest of the community will back you up and the casino will have no option but to solve the issue or see their reputation forever ruined in the forum due to that issue.

This is a great clarification, because normally it works as a type of wagering in order to have a successful withdrawal, but since they are not demanding any wagering requirement it is likely that those who have benefited have that advantage, now not all casinos offer this ease of winning for bitcointalk members, we all know that there are great players here and people who bet big casinos, and this is a great stepping stone for any sports betting and gaming platform. In some casinos I have seen promotions that are won but you must have prerequisites for withdrawal, here the freedom is unique, also the owners chose LTC which is a great option for the fee for any withdrawal, since they are very cheap.

Yes true indeed. They did explain that it's only available to Bitcointalk promo code and the other promo code they have will need to meet the required wager requirements before the withdrawal is being processed. They do find a way to take advantage of a system like using LTC for lesser fee compared to the fee of other cryptos out there and having no wager requirement for bitcointalk promo code. I wonder if no one abused the promo code but anyways, winning a lot using the free etc is not an easy task.

If I may come back to the subject of the thread, the forum is already powerful, right? I can't think of any other forums that have more power than Bitcointalk. In the field, Cryptocurrencies can be number 1 anyway, but I don't think there is any forum in the global forums that is more visited than Bitcointalk. A lot of diversity and many topics in many threads. Layout is user friendly and easy to follow. How could you possibly make it even more powerful?

Well, if they scam people off their money then it is the same as losing gamblers who stay on this forum. If you count the total of gamblers in this forum is too many to count. If the gambling site have bad reputation in this forum then it will spread in other platform similar to bitcointalk forum. This gambling site starting is they have a promo code that you can use to get 0.1 etc for free as said in op where they have misunderstanding until op change the title when it was solved.

Without a doubt if the casino has been established for a long time and it has a good reputation other members of the forum will be wary of supporting the accusations coming from a newbie.

But if they have the evidence and it is strong and they have not violated the TOS of the casino then even if the casino has a good reputation so far the community will side with whoever has the truth on their side, even if that person is a newbie, and that is invaluable as it is very common to disregard what someone says when one side has been around for long and it is trusted, while the other side is relatively new and does not have anything resembling that kind of trust.

Some with a legit accusation was able to recover of their funds because of this forum, many helped a problematic gambler using a one gambling site, many helps the user to contact the developer and advice that gambler on what to do. This forum is very popular in cryptoworld because this is where crypto details started where Satoshi shares his great work with Bitcoin and I’m forever thankful to this forum too.

Yeah, you are right this forum gives us many warnings and then take an action about the scam sites to cause nowadays many of the sites to have bad activities and unhandled well their clients.
I think some gambling sites are made for scam gamblers first they give you some profit to make you satisfied but in the end, all your money has gone and taken them away or banned your account for no valid reason.

If this is true then thats a good news for Bitcointalk users who register on their site and use the specific code. Because usually, there's a needed deposit or wagering requirement for every winning you won through Bonus.

Seeing the exemption if we use the bitcointalk code just shows this forum has an impact for gambling sites, probably because there are many gamblers here and casinos are often chose this site to advertise their casino.

This shows the priority Bitcointalk users get from gambling platforms. Gambling platforms always want things to be done with perfection, because even a small mistake will cause big trust issue.

Casinos prefer our forum, because the trust gained here will keep them on the top list of gambling sites. If a list is taken on the top gambling sites accepting cryptocurrency, every site will be having its promotion service in our forum.

Yes, we always remind and tell which sites are scams and warn people not to join or use their services. We want people to know that the crypto world has so many scam sites ready to steal their money. Only learning and researching for more can help avoid scams, while we can also have a chance to make money from reliable sources. We will always want to help others prevent scammers, but they do not have to test the site if there are no good reviews about them.

They will never be afraid of Negative feedback if they are legit and not guilty , even Scam casino stays in their stand of not giving the funds to whom they claim to be scammer or cheater so how does this casino grant OP's request?
because He has solid evidence and position in which pushes the casino to give what h claims to be His privilege .
but anyway the case has been settled and OP had given warning to other gambler having distance in that said casino.

The number of casinos today makes gamblers have many choices in gambling, but unfortunately many of them only see the convenience offered by these sites without looking for information first about the site, in various threads we have discussed several scam casinos that it has even been proven has deceive the players, but consciously or not, I see more and more members who continue to be trapped in these fraudulent sites, when in fact we have warned several times to do a detailed check before trying to gamble but still we see many complaints of fraud here.

Seems to me that this kind of things come regularly but you cannot really call it deception or a scam if they mention that this is how they do it in their rules. It just looks like you did not bother reading up on that before you used their services. So really, this thread has nothing to do with them paying you, but rather this is a thread about you complaining about something because you did not read the rules.

After analyzing the OP case, I think so far the conclusion is that staying away from the casino is the best option. As for trust, of course, the OP must be more careful and not immediately tempted by the bonuses that the casino offers. The reputation of the casino is paramount to entering the realm of gambling. At least it can minimize for novice gamblers to pay more attention to the funds they spend so that they are not wasted.

I lot of similar incidents happen daily and being a member of this forum you have a player opportunity to call out the site and the team will respond in that direction this is why those members always make claims like that, it feels good that the ops got a positive response which is why he made this thread to let us all know the extent this forum has helped in recovering the funds.
This will be a great idea if project teams are made to deposits and n escrow funds in other to prove their legitimacy. Bitcointalk forum is one of the greatest social media for bitcoin and response from members of this forum is regarded as great feedback to the casino development so the team will always try to solve any issue with good evidence.

You probably missed the most important thing in what was described. There was nothing in the rules of this promotion about making an extra deposit or extra wagering. The mere fact that he was paid his winnings shows that it was not necessary.

So, if you did not post it on this forum then you may not receive the fund anymore. But as you have posted it on the forum you received the fund but for those who are not aware of the forum they will not be able to post about their incident as a result they will be scammed. In this case we should avoid this type of gambling sites.

Those people are tempted with so many goods to be true offers so they only follow it without research furthermore. If they do not change this, I am afraid they will get the same experience in the future. We can suggest they always research but we can not force them to research, especially if they are lazy or do not know where to start. Maybe they can only follow the suggestion from people who have already used reputable gambling sites before so at least they can minimize the scam that happens to them. I am sure that will be safer for them but it will be no use if they can not control themselves in gambling games ;D

if you know you are following the rules and not breaking any of their tos, you can really ask from the forum for assistance. however, before complaining or any of that sort, make sure you are abiding their terms & conditions. because in most cases, it is the player's fault. and if they feel they got screwed, that is the time that he will cry for help.
but for legit concerns & issues, this board is indeed great platform especially if the casino you are talking about has thread in this forum. as much as possible they want to protect their image in the community.

I totally agree with you, the fault is often from players who are too rash and don't read the casino rules carefully. They are only tempted by bonuses and do not pay attention to the terms and conditions that apply. Therefore, reading casino rules is one way to avoid cases like this. Because beginners don't realize, after the obstacles they face, they start singing everywhere as if they were being played by the casino.

Usually those who join a casino site without seeing the TOS are victims of advertisements that appear on public sites. experience made me read the TOS carefully before making a deposit and playing on a crypto online gambling site to avoid possible problems that will occur in the future.

Of course I'm glad that this story ended in a positive way. However, I am a bit worried that casinos (and unfortunately most of them do that) try by all ways to make it difficult for you to withdraw any money. Of course, it is clear that they are fully aware that the longer the money is in the casino's account, the more likely someone will lose it.

Some complains are valid and some are not, this forum is on the right side so even if you are a player but did violate the rules of any site, then you will not get any help from here. This is not just a simple forum, this is a great one where you can find some of the answers and most probably, you’ll get the help that you asked for.

The site's reputation is questionable if they only release the funds because you posted in this forum.

They should keep their TOS and implement it no matter what, but if it's not clear, they should satisfy the needs of the gamblers as this forum is huge and could affect their entire reputation. Congrats OP for your win, don't be tired of sharing your stories here as the community is very active to help.

I don't like the situation that happened to OP, but with so many promotions and bonuses, it could just have been a mistake.
It is known that there are always many promotions during the Christmas time, and often each of them has different rules, and after all, normal people work in casinos. Someone could just made a mistake with the promotion, OP reacted nervously and therefore such a situation could have happened.

Shady kind of behavior which or shouldnt really be tolerated because the community wont really be dumb on not to notice up things like these specially speaking with withdrawals and other related things.

This is the beauty of this forum on which you could really post up in regards with real experiences which the community whether they would act or not basing on what they had observed.
Once a platform do make out those kind of mistakes and hadnt been resolved yet then this would leave out bad impressions which would really totally affect their credibility or reputation.

The mechanics and rules were not mentioned in the thread only on their website so there's confusion on OP'S part that is why OP demanded the casino could have defended their mechanics but they opted to just allow OP's request, they will learn from this that if they have a new update or announcement they should post it in their announcement thread or where everybody can see.

I am also very glad that the Bitcointalk community helped in this situation. This proves that casinos have to take into account the opinion of our community.
Of course, I hope that nothing like this will ever happen to me or anyone else in the future, but it's good to know that everyone can count on the Bitcointalk community.

I think that it does not give them a good option to take advantage of the system, because the player must have a lot of experience and very good luck to be able to do the right thing and achieve a withdrawal, also if we see it from the point of view that they give the code to test the games It is a plus that they have on all the sites, although there is a lot of risk in that they abuse the system, those who dedicate themselves to the abuse of the system have to work a lot to achieve the task, and many times when it is synonymous with work they do not it's very funny to do it.

Casino, which has a good team and reputation, will always care for their members because they do not want something bad to happen to them. If their members have a problem, they will help until it is solved.

While members can also have others experience to improve themselves in playing gambling or have control for themselves, we always suggest not to push themselves just to chase the win but also enjoy the game. If @OP or others can win, I am sure we will also be happy and on the other side, we always suggest those who win take a break and reduce the tension after winning.

Bitcointalk does now the one who help OP but His purpose of posting here to threatened the site to release His funds or else their reputation will be at stake.

Yeah the forum might be the way to make their decision change but again it is not the one who made the action.

But it is better atleast OP had settled the case and this serves as warning for those who will be joining that site in the future to expect same scenario in case.

Casino Team their reputation and also they are good team.I'm honestly to say Bitcointalk community is too good coz they helped in this situation. I Think firstly You need to read and rules Carefully in Casino.The team want to always carefully protect every situation. I think Casino development will be more in future. I Think bitcointalk Forum is the greatest forum you can Find your question answer and you will get help.

The power of the forum is not something to ignore, after all while there are many communities that discuss about cryptocurrencies in social media at the end of the day this is the oldest community and the one with the most renowned members.

So if a casino garners a bad reputation in the forum it will quickly spread to other circles where the reputation of casinos are discussed, and then players will begin to stay away from the casino in an effort to protect themselves, it is because of this that casinos are interested on keeping a clean reputation in the forum as if they fail to do so the drop in their revenue would be considerable.

Main place on where most crypto traffic which it would really be always relevant  and would be ideal on making out exposure and the biggest crypto community online yet this had been the origin

which it would be understandable on whats its reputation at the moment. The community does really help on each other and when there are some shady services or platforms out there then it would

be mainly discuss and if theres some complaints and some accusations then this community are mainly the ones who do make out decisions whether its trusted or not.

Bitcointalk is just helping gamblers find legit and good one , and also there are many gambling sites here that had been advertised so they need to to be careful in choosing one.


OP is trusting this forum that will help him out claiming his wins and yes he successfully get what he needs because of the pressure from the team because of this open thread.

if i were you? prevent this gambling site mentioned by op .

Bitcointalk is the largest community of crypto users so each casinos always give credit to what is the capacity of this community and that is what the gambling site in question did.
they knew that this will effect their business in deeper part if they refuse paying that amount.
this will never happen to you if you are not desperate gambler and if you always take account the opinion of this section.

and also the reputation section that mostly involved in exposing the scam sites.

This is true. I pity crytpo gamblers who still are not aware of this place, they are missing so much. The Gambling section of this forum has evolved to such a degree that today it's the best place on the Web to find the info on which crypto gambling platforms to play, what games to play and how to deal with various issues. And, like in the OP's case, they'd rather pay you fast than get bad reputation here. Sometimes I wish this forum was promoted on the national TV or something. It would make life of millions of crypto gamblers easier.

Yeah. Gambling platforms are constantly growing and we will see new ones every day. Therefore, we should always be aware of what we can expect before placing any online bets and try to do our homework before we begin our gambling journey.
There are numerous websites online where we can read casino reviews, but this forum is the best place on the Internet for this type of discussion because it is open to the public, and as such, everyone will be aware of any issues or questions that may be present before beginning to play on any of these platforms. There are thousands of users on this forum, and even the largest crypto casinos do not want to risk their reputation by associating with a name that has a bad reputation.

Just to add, I think that the fact that lots of campaign signatures are focused on providing exposure to various online gambling websites are evidence on its own about its current potential and widespread opportunity of exposure. Lots of gambling companies nowadays pay a hefty sum just to provide exposure to their gambling websites throughout this forum. In addition, the fact that they can also regularly pay various participants also speak to their authenticity and profit in a week.

I just hope that when people are attracted to crypto gambling, their first option would be to search and utilize this forum as a form of guide and support to their needs.

Happy to hear that the forum was able to help you. I also enjoy the far reach of the forum and that all the crypto followers have a chance to share their experiences. It's a good place to learn about new crypto casinos and their promotions. Without a forum like bitcointalk it's hard to know what casinos to trust. If there are no threads about negative experiences on a particular casinos website than we can be more relieved. Trust is the most important thing when it comes to online gambling.
I also hope there would be more power for this forum. We need to more active users here to get broader reach. One good feature I am missing for this forum is mobile app that makes it easier to navigate the forum on the phone.

For people who are aware of this then they would normally be checking out this forum first before making some deposit on a gambling site specially if its a new one which it is really just right that you
would really be making some research before making decision but there are some who do made out deposits directly just for the sake of testing out on the site doesnt mind about
 the risks of being a  scam because actually you could somewhat point out or notice it out on a site which is poorly made or  built where you would definitely
hesitate on making out some deposits.

There is no way of knowing how's the info on those review sites moderated. That's why this forum is the best, we know that any casino have the ability to moderate their own thread, and that's it. They can be deleting bad reviews in one thread only, while there are thousands places where those reviews can be posted, and they can do nothing about it. It's a pity that the vast majority of online gamblers still don't know about this place and, what is more important, how it works. If we found out how to bring it to their(crypto gamblers) attention, this place would flourish even more.

I think that what happens is that people are now so used to the social media format of quick and shallow discussion that they do not like the forum format which leads us to more in-depth discussion.

So instead of trying to find a good place like our forum to get recommendations about which casinos to avoid and which casinos to follow they instead use social media, and as we know social media is full of trolls, scammers and misinformation which causes people to gamble in casinos that we know have had a bad reputation in the forum for a very long time.

^ Social media platforms are far different from any forum platform, there is no real discussion on social media. A community like this is a perfect place when you are looking for legitimate reviews because it is actually experienced by individual users in the forum, it means this is a true experience, not a theoretical explanation. That is right, people on the forum will decide, appreciate, and criticize if it is necessary as kong as they give a fair review with their own experience. If some got hacked, people on the forum get warn other people to stay away from the gambling casino that at least give warning to others.

Thats why they are misleaded which would cause up for them to lose up money because they had been guided the bad or wrong way due to those advertisement from new gambling sites or any other

service and most people doesnt really have much time on making out some simple research first before engaging and directly made out some decisions which would really cause up some trouble.

If you do really give out importance of your money then it would really be just basic for you on clicking out on your keyboard and finding out various informations which would
really be able to save your ass up.

Wagering is a requirement to withdraw bonuses on any casino. I am  wondering if you made an initial deposit or you tried withdrawing based on the bonus you got upon registration. Bitcointalk is just a forum to save you from illegal casinos and ensure trust between casinos and gamblers. Ensure to wager the 0.1etc requirement and follow the rules so you can be served better

I want to note that I have already registered on this forum for a long time and I constantly use the information that I receive from colleagues in the forum.  By far, BTT has been the most authoritative forum for cryptocurrencies, blockchain technology and many other related topics for many years.  I myself have learned from colleagues on the forum an enormous amount of valuable insight, which helped me to avoid many mistakes.  And for this I am very grateful to the forum and many authoritative and knowledgeable users.

OP had claimed the bonus by entering the promocode on the site and then received the bonus.
Then he tried to withdraw the bonus without depositing anything which is why he was facing the issue.
But the has got the amount withdrawn long ago with the help of this post he mad on the forum.

Agree, I would wish more people to come to see this forum before making any decision to create an account in any online casino.

It is a good idea to take a closer look at the forum sites before participating in the casino many gamblers are victims of fraud because of scam sites. The forum confirms trust for finding legitimate casino sites only the most effective of the online casino deposit and bonus offers. We can easily get the benefit by checking the sites to better understand the essentials of betting and the negative ones.

True that. I myself reported, and not once, impostors of known crypto casinos on social media. They promise unheard bonuses, and some people fall for that, unfortunately, only to realize later(too late in many cases)that is was a trap, and that their deposits have lost forever. You can use social media to communicate with your close friends and relatives, but it's not the best place for finding a reliable info. This forum, however, is such a place where you can get reliable info on various topics, including cryto gambling sites.

The case has long been solved and the OP withdraw his winnings. The problem was not to make a limit of wagering, but that he was asked for an additional deposit, which was not mentioned in the rules. Either it was a chat worker mistake or the casino's not nice behavior, but we won't find out because no one has written an explanation.

In my opinion it was a miscommunication only between the bitcointalk representative account of the casino and the live support of the casino related to the bonus offered in this forum or because of the live support was not being informed about the bonus offered in this forum so the live support answer him by using the general terms of the bonus. I'm not sure why OP is not locking this thread since the issue has been resolved.

You are right, when there are sites that are somewhat suspicious when you talk to support and tell them that you are an active member of Bitcointalk things change, the forum really gives and inspires respect, and this is something that every site worldwide knows, I think that it is also because of the experience that each member has, that influences when giving any conclusion, more if it has to do with the reputation of the site, a long time ago a member of the forum in a site that they wanted to scam said that he was a member of the forum, especially in the gambling section and when they found out about it, they gave him fast withdrawal privileges and everything went smoothly, the user even made a thread explaining the whole case.

That gambling site itself does really know on this forums existence and they do know that if they would do something shady then their reputation would be fucked up once a certain user would make out some
complaints and do made out some accusations.

This forum could really give out that kind of action on which it could really cause up a devastating results if a certain service wouldnt do its job or simply becomes shady or something in
related to that.

This is why reading up every now and then about latest issues and events wouldnt really be a bad idea.

It is sad, personally I am not the biggest fan of social media precisely because of what I pointed out on my previous post, however people use social media for stuff that was never intended, as you say social media was supposed to be just a way to connect with friends and family members.

But now people are using it as their main source of information instead of consulting specialized websites for the information they are looking for, and as such it is no wonder that people that come to the market and use social media as their main source of information are scammed so frequently.

This is actually true and the reality as of todays era on which people do really look various informations directly on social media without reconsidering those infos might not be true or real but instead it was really been

diverted into other things and if you are a type of person who do easily fall out into sayings then you would most likely be getting scammed or would experience some headaches later on.

Make this forum as your primary source of information as long it do connects out with crypto and various things then it would really be worth to read.

I got your point and agree with that. The SM was designed for more private purposes. However, I think that this is great for us to have them as the source or the TRUTH sometimes. If you look through those websites with expertise, you will see that they are no more unbiased as they push you to buy stuff and not to learn more about a particular item or service.

Those who use social media to promote the site want to invite more people in their circle to follow what they do but forget that not many of them can have control when related to gambling. I really miss the use of social media like in the past, which not many advertisements about things that are not related to me or my circle. Social media have much fake info about something that is not right and many of them release just to get popularity among them. Hopefully, we will not get into the social media trap and use it properly.

This forum is no SM, that's for sure. In many cases we have no idea about the age, gender, place of origin, etc. of the people we have been communicating for years, and, actually, we don't care much about that stuff. What we do care about is information we are getting from them. If it's true and, at the same time, unknown to the vast majority of people, this kind of information is valuable, and it is appreciated here. Liars are usually getting negative trust, especially when money involved. I believe one day this forum may become a place of much higher scope than it is today. Not only crypto gambling, but gambling in general will be discussed here on such a level that top gamblers from around the world will prefer to hang out here.

Social media exist because of this circulation , like faking things to favor the company or the individual who uses the platform .
and also social media is the most lying place in which everything isn't almost true. there are very few that tells reality and majority says and do fakes.
so Better not to rely your life in social media if you don't wanna live in lies and faking .

You are right. That is why I leave my social media without permitting others to promote on my page so it was only my last post a few years ago. We can not deny that many advertisements will still appear when we access social media. Even if we use the browser, we can still see that advertisement. But we can manage the advertisement by using some third apps that will help us keep it clean. I am better to use real-life than seeing from social media.

Compared to social media where you are judged based on your look and what's your status in life, forums are all about input and what you've shared, you can be a street vendor but post great stuff, but they are not going to judge you your status in real life, here in Bitcointalk we are all anonymous and what matters is the information and opinion we are sharing.

qt least you understand what SOCIAL word means?

that is why this  called social media because this is not privatized instead this was design for everyone to see so where did you get that idea of this was designed as privacy?

that is wrong impression mate ,the only privately designed are the CHAT OPTION  because that is called Private Messages .

Yes, this forum has resolved a lot of small issues like this before, but I think this might not be one of them. A lot of these smaller casinos does a lot of customer support staff and I think they are inundated with requests that they cannot resolve very quickly.

We see this happening all the time and within a couple of days, they eventually get to your "ticket" or your request and they resolve the issue. We are impatient and we think they have a whole team of people dedicated to resolving issues, but it is not the case.  ::)

It would be great if top gamblers would write their reviews here in BTT.  But if this happens, there will be posts from people engaged by specific casinos who will write advertising posts.  I think that this is still partly the case, but not on a large scale compared to the objective and posts of real gamblers.  
But in any case, the influx of new forum users would be very helpful, because it seems to me that this flow has not been too large lately.  And it's sad because only this forum has such a wide range of topics and advice in the field of cryptocurrencies and related topics, as no other has.  And only here you can ask almost any question and someone from the informed members of the forum will answer exactly and correctly.  For example, I often asked different questions.  And I received high-quality and very qualified answers.  Including through PM to a specific user of this forum with whom I personally was not familiar.  
And thanks to everyone who answered me!

Anyway, even if users become part of those signature campaigns (don't take it personally, I simply try to describe how it works) they influence the others. Moreover, if a beginner comes to this forum and see a Legend member or something like this, the chances that this newcomer create an account via the link from the signature are higher.

Why we wear signature on the bitcointalk forum, do you know? We wear signature campaign as a promoter of the project/site on this forum. The people might be interested for that signature but referral link not allowed so there is no chance to that newcomer will create an account

There's also one very important aspect: this forum is not moderated in favor of this or that company or website. We can't be sure that this is also the case for other places where gambling platforms are reviewed. I read articles regarding gambling sites in various places, and quite often it's obvious that the article was sponsored by one or the other casino. Yes, we can read such articles on this forum too, but the differecnce is that inaccurate info will face merciless criticism here right away, and everyone can read it.


It would be great indeed, but what I mean is that they can come here for some reliable info. Maybe they are already lurking here for years without even creating an account. Pros know where to get the right info.

You are right, in fact when talking about the forum and the problems that are treated usually occur in the "Reputation" section and although here you can discuss the way in which a certain topic can be developed, I think it should go there, of course it is a general issue, in my case they have only tried to scam me a couple of times, and it always lies in the deposit as the first option, it is for this reason that in the sites it is always good that they give some type of faucet limited by user to test the games, withdrawals, among other things. The forum must be used or, to the extent invoked, so that the owners of the platforms realize that the players have high-demand criteria.

Articles are always sponsored but the way they are sponsored may differ. For example, some sites are affiliated with a casino, while others may simply write a review and be paid a fixed amount. Anyway, most articles are biased. However, I don't think that this is too bad. With this unbeatable long-term house edge, most casinos work transparently, meaning they don't have to cheat gamblers as they know that a gambler will lose all he has invested in gambling on the long distance.

You touch an important point, when it comes to social media everything is about how many followers or friends you have, and if the amount is high then everything that person said is taken at face value.

But in this forum, especially when it comes to scam accusations, the main measurement is if you have your facts in order, this way even if a newbie makes an accusation but they have their facts straight then the community will support them against anyone, regardless of whether that person or business had being part of the community for a long time, this makes this forum invaluable and a great source of information regarding the reliability of casinos and other businesses that deal with bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies.

Also, when it comes to legitimacy then im bit assured that signatures that be proven out would really be somewhat that legit since the community wont really be blind on not to notice those shady stuffs around.

We could directly able to notice if the site isnt really that trustworthy and even if they do ran off some signature campaigns but doesnt mean that they are legit but most of the time they would because forum
members could directly tell if its really something a serious site or simply a scam one basing off on what we do able to observe on the first place.

I used to work in customer service, so I perfectly understand what you mean and agree with you. However, gambling is quite a specific industry and when it comes to money and emotions, we should not be surprised that not everyone can control themselves and wait patiently.

People would really be that impatient whenever they do know that there's something in pending and its valuable since this do talks about money.People do really get impulsive and if the team wouldnt able

to make out some response on a particular time then they would really be making those fuss and complaints into the public but we know that the community wouldnt really be that dumb on making conclusions if we dont able to hear out the other side and this is how this forum works on where you could really see real time advices and comments on various situations.

No, of course articles are not always sponsored. Firstly, there are honest journalists for whom telling the truth is more important than earning big money. They may be in the minority, but they exist. Secondly, in some cases being honest is profitable. You are getting more visitors to your site when there's talk that your info is always legit. Thirdly, even when being paid by a company, some journalists still may write unbiased articles. The problem is that you never know what kind of reporter wrote the article you are reading. Here on this forum you can read the reaction of other members and make your own conclusions, while in other places comments can be moderated without you knowing it.

I would rather agree with milka, I have never seen an unbiased journalist regardless of the niche he or she is working at. Even if they seem to be unbiased, they have an idea that they want to apply or they are paid to push a particular idea.

We need to understand how hard their work because they are not just trying to solve our problem but also have to solve the other member's problems that they want to resolve fast. Sometimes, the user does not have patience, does not care about other people's problems and asks to resolve the problem quickly. This forum is here trying to help those who have a problem by figuring out the problem and asking the casinos to give explanations and this forum already helps many members solve their problems.

Signature is a promotional event for them, and of course with their honest attitude, all of us here will definitely continue to support them to develop in the industry, but if they commit fraud against their users, of course these users will easily destroy the reputation of the gambling site mentioned in this forum, I think that's why many crypto gambling sites might think again if they intend to deceive the members here, and one bad example is the 1Xbit site which is now starting to be abandoned by their users after their thread contains a lot of negative tags from forum members.

It's not the gamblers that will cause their reputation to go bad but the owner or team itself if they commit fraud but if they are serious about running their company then I doubt they won't do something so stupid that can cause their reputation to go bad. Even a $25 dollar payout didn't process could also make the site's reputation very bad where you think that it is not a huge amount but they still open a thread complaining about it. Just hope that the team will be able to response on time or not as long as it's not too late to respond.

In a certain way, his last words correspond to each of us at some point as users of any casino, but we learn to cope with it, without a doubt it is so. Now, the problem in general, in the average, can be solved in 72 hours, but that the hours turn into days and the days start to feel like weeks, so if money is necessary to pay expenses of our life daily then more drama is added, so always in most of these cases patience leads us to the best solution.

Anyway, if there is an answer, not always this is best the solution in how each user waits for it, so  that part is what brings many players to the forum.
Then that should be the moment in which users with their reason or not should go through the forum...but as the title of the post says, even in those initial circumstances that I have mentioned of desperation and impatience if you pass by here, someone always guides you or is willing to help. [ILBTT]

Well, many casinos promote their services on this forum for a good reason, that is directly linked to the fact bitcointalk forum holds a lot of legitimacy and influence in crypto gambling industry. If a casino goes shady you can be sure it won't be forgotten on this forum and it will be also very clear for every gambler who might start reading some threads around.

In case of doubt, you can even tell your gambler friends who aren't members of this community to always search on google the name of the casino they are looking for and bitcointalk keyword together to find out if that is a good site to play or not.

One of the best things to be done first on which you do make out some research firdt before making any step specially if you are dealing on something new.If its been connected to crypto then this place or forum is a one stop shop on where you could really see real time feedbacks,recommendations or suggestions out of those real experiences thats why you cant really go wrong into this place but be sure that you do make yourself aware with fake info yet this place does also have lots.

Yep, it is a very useful platform to publicly expose those that are trying to scam people, and that includes such conditions that appear out of the blue, or are in the finest possible print and are aimed to make withdrawal expensive, painful and sometime simply impossible. I even wonder why would anyone go to play online with crypto and not bother too look into the number one resource for reputation checking.

That's simply because not everyone knows about this forum. Many people are not aware that there's a forum called bitcointalk created by Satoshi himself.
Also, there are some people aware of this forum yet look for places elsewhere to find reviews about casinos.
People keep asking where they can find out which is a good casino and ask for websites which provide casino reviews and bonus offers etc...

All matters on someones awareness because there are people who do really keep on researching up things until they do find out the right place to ask and consider on reading up real time reviews
and recommendations and its true that not all is totally aware of this forums existence on which they would really be mainly looking various informations of things on social media or in other
forums or other places which i couldnt say that it could really be trusted but on the time that you had been redirected into this forum then for sure you would really get information
from real experiences and dealing which you could really decide whether you should proceed on or not basing on what you have read on.

^ But why did we see most scenarios when they were scammed they found this forum created a thread here on Bitcointalk? Sounds funny right?
The problem of most gamblers and probably those who are not aware of scams do not make any dip research but when they get scammed, that is the time they will dig research about the casino. However, we are so lucky here because we are oriented to such possible scams and we know how to determine legit casinos.

Well, look at us, bitcointalk members wearing signatures and/or avatars advertising this or that company. Of course we are paid for that, but do we write everything to advertise the sponsor? Far from that. Check it out yourself. Let me assure you that it's possible in some cases to be paid and stay not biased at the same time. If you mean most of the journalists are biased, then I agree. I just don't like generalizations. I mean, not all bitcointalkers, even those with no ad in their signature, are good, and not all journalists, even those sponsored by corporations, are bad, or, biased, if you want. :)

That's it , we are only wearing the companies signature and we are having theit avatar banner but this does not mean that we will shill for them or even to defend them in case that they have cases here.
of course we will still stand on what is right and not because we are being paid to depend them.
this is how Bitcointalk moves , and not just for something that only proprietors will benefits, we wanted to gain our own reputation as advertisers .

We aren't that dumb on making out actions and we know on whats wrong and whats right.There would be no tolerance into those services/companies/platforms which do things which aren't right.

Of course we are the ones who would really be criticizing them and we could freely leave our spots in case we do see some shady activity from the site.We don't really like to mess up our reputation or

simply our account for just some small amount of bucks.So that would really be an standard thing to be done.

Well it is not rare at all for people to put the cart before the horse, after all how many people we see in this market thinking that the moment to make profits is when you sell when in fact whether or not you can me profits is most of the time determined by the moment and price at which you buy.

So this is the same, instead of doing their due diligence first and saving themselves a lot of headaches people just gamble in whatever casino they fancy only to begin to make their research once they have been scammed.

Right, it's very different from what we can see is happening with brick and mortar companies and their employees. There if you say something good about the competitor, you are fired, in the majority of cases. And if you are not saying that the company you are working for is the best in the world all the time, you'll be fired soon too. Here, on the other hand, it's more like with ads on race cars: if you are paid for it, you wear the ad

https://i.imgur.com/pvP42oi.png

but it's not like you should be saying all the time that Red Bull is the best brand of energy drinks in the world (although it might be true :) ).

You mostly right, but there are some moments that can differ.
First of them is the reputation of the company. If the company is about scam - even the best of us can get negative trust and disapproval from other members. That`s why it is important(for me at least) to find a company with good repatation.
Second - when i found out bitcointalk - i thought that "hero" or "legendary" members wearing signatures of the projects they believe. In this way we are responsible to newbies that believe in signatures.

The point you are stating (while its true) is different from what Betwrong mentioned.
You are correct that we might get negative trust if we promote a campaign whose owners are fraud and it makes sense because it will encourage more scam and as a candidate we should be aware of what we are promoting.
But at the same time the signature campaigns never mention that we should only speak good about the products we are promoting.
This eliminates biased judgements which was the point at the first place.


That's an honest mistake  :P When I was a newbie I though it's just normal ads that get popped up on any website.
Little did I know they are signatures willingly worn by the users.

The btt forum is another best way and good platform that will tell you more about any casino platform launched here through some expert and experience users. But to further more, did you really get their rules and regulation before enrolling?

Most of the platform who requested some deposit are likely to be scam, any legitimate platform does required deposit to get released your funds.
otherwise we can call it scam.

It`s true, that we can right both good and bad things about companies we promote, but the same time i think that is bad idea to wear scam signature even if you are talking that this is scam.

And due this mistake we have a problem that i pointed in the first step: if a newbie see a hero member in the thread, and this member don`t telling in this thread that the company is scam - the newbie can believe in company.

yep, here we have more experience from veteran gamblers who have a lot of their experience and i believe in the advice given.  if you have problems playing on a gambling site then creating a topic on this forum will definitely have a big impact on the problems you are experiencing.  there are also many active crypto gambling sites that have a good reputation and are diligent online, so just choose a gambling site based on the reviews on this forum.

I hope people don't get the Idea that posting their issue on a gambling site here in the forum will solve their problem. and most of the time, it won't. I don't deny that the(or a) forum can sometimes put pressure on a gambling site but overestimating the influence a forum can have on the decision of a gambling site on their issues can give someone a false sense of hope.

The problems depends,if it is a great casino with a lot of good reputation and if they are found to have made a mistake most likely they will remedy it.The problem is when people post their problems about a not well known casino and expect that opening a scam accusation against the scammers will solve their problem,it will not as the scammers only want to scam people but it will be really good in pointing out to a huge user base that play gambling with crypto to stay away from that casino.

Actually, posting in this thread can also help people who have some issues with a gambling platform, moreover if the gambling platform official team is also active right here, moreover doing some campaign right here.
It will ease people to reach them, moreover supported by string evidence, the members here will commonly help the user to rise up the case to their official.
But, of course, not all problems or accusations can be solved here. At least they can rise up their case at first. And commonly the team will follow up. ALthough it depends on the case and also on the team itself. BUt it sometimes helps.

Most of the time it could really help out because the community would really make out some negative reactions which would really be affecting their reputation and if they dont want to be affected
then they would need for those issues to get resolved or else it would really be putting a stain in overall reputation that they do have and you couldnt really get go wrong
with this community because if they would really be smelling something shady then these reactions and impressions would spread like wildfire.

Well, it certainly sometimes don't, but it does give traction to other players to stop using the site though. I mean, yea, Ig in that case it's a needless task since the one that posted it wouldn't really get anything out of it, but at the very least, other users wouldn't fall into the same predicament. It's just like how people share who are the scammers, even if they can't get what they were scammed back, it's a pretty nice thing to do imo. Plus, if there's a chance, why not do it no? Especially if said forum (not just here specifically) has a mod or two that's active, you can directly talk about it with them easily.

to the people who replied to my post.

what I am trying to say is, people should not have the mindset that posting their issues/scam accusations here in the forum will automatically solve the problem. the OP of this thread clearly thinks that the only reason he got his money back is because of the post he made. sure it might be because of that or it is completely has nothing to do with that. also, if people have scam accusations I encourage them to post their problem but don't expect that it will be solved just because they posted their scam accusation here. I don't deny that the forum could help them but just don't expect too much.

In fact, it is not at all clear whether OP helped to get his winnings from his first post with the accusation of casino fraud. A post with such a  topic name, by the way, is absolutely correct, because we all love BTT :), because the devs might not have been noticed because the name of the casino is not in the topic title.
   But in any case, it's good that the situation is resolved and OP got his winnings. I think it’s more correct to write in the topic the name of the casino to which there are complaints or post your complaint directly in the topic of this casino. Obviously, devs read user reviews here in BTT and react accordingly to public claims

Complainants should first address the issue on the casino's support team, and only escalate it to scam accusations if the support team is not addressing the issue, you are playing a casino that you put your money because you believe in it and you want to keep playing because you already accumulated a wager or points, you can protect its reputation if you keep it in the house first then escalate it to accusation here if you are not satisfied with how the support responded.

One thing I want to ask, why my quotes are often deleted, for reasons that do not fit the thread. Do I always answer in the context of that thread? Is it because I quoted a lapse 1 minute earlier I had also quoted?

That is spamming or post bursting that is why your post had been deleted , prevent posting multiple times in same thread , instead quote all of those for compile answers .

and also depend on the quality of your post if someone finds it generic or not worth then others will report that post to Mods for deletion .