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Does Loyce, Bpip & Ninjastic collecting IP-data of visitors?

• loyce.club
• bpip.org
• ninjastic.space

If so, then the safety of bitcointalk users is under big menace

If you know any other bitcointalk-associated services - add here for consideration

News flash: Every website you have ever visited is doing a lot more spying and privacy invasion than just looking at your IP address.

Use Tor.

I don't store any IP or data that can identify users for the ninjastic.space website. But you can't know that, so do what o_e_l_e_o said.

I consider that on these sites should be a warning of big large words, which indicates whether IP addresses are collected or not

• loyce.club
• bpip.org
• ninjastic.space

This is important for bitcointalk- and crypto- community. Otherwise, all this talk about decentralization and anonymity is complete nonsense.

If they do, so does (https://bitcointalk.org/privacy.php) Bitcointalk.org, or you needed to be reminded?

and https://bpip.org/privacy.aspx

So, again... What's your point?

It's complete nonsense if your lazy ass can't download Tor browser or use a good VPN to mask your online identity. Not the other way round.

I'd like to point out that nothing is as black and white in crypto as you're implying it should be, and that goes for both decentralization and anonymity.  Hell, if you want to be completely anonymous with your dabbling in crypto you'd stay off of forums and related sites altogether and not risk possibly exposing your IP address to any of them.

I'm not sure what IP address tracking and decentralization have to do with one another, by the way.  If BPIP or any of the other sites did keep a record of such, what does that centralize exactly?  And I've said this numerous times before, "decentralization" has become a sort of buzzword for a kind of idyllic state of being, but it's nothing of the sort.  Some systems work better when they're centralized, some when they're decentralized....and as far as LoyceV or anyone else knowing what your IP is, the term just doesn't apply.  Unless you can explain how it does, of course.

Obviously I can see everyone's IP address in my hollowed-out volcano lair. For example korner's (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5211434.0) IP is 127.0.0.1 and the Queen of England has the same address so take it for what you will.

Okay

Okay


Waiting for Loycev's reply

I saw LoyceV in the local store selling IP addresses, collected from the Bitcointalk forum. I told him, don't do this, someone will raise that question but he just ignored it.

I use Apache with default log settings. That means it stores traffic data. I can access it and so can my webhost. I have better things to do than look at log files and start guessing who the IP-address belongs to.

Logs can come in handy though, for instance when some very agressive scraper was using thousands of different IPs, which caused a high server load. But that instance lead me to ban innocent IPs too, so it didn't really work.

By all means:
I set no limitations. Not even a captcha.

Okay. You give an impression of a decent person. Thanks you for the honest answer.

I see reviews about Tor, Someone said: ,,Tor secretly routes your system's Internet traffic over several places on the Internet, thus hiding the real source of the communication, and securing your personal identity. Tor itself can't guarantee your privacy and security if you're not concerned enough.'' Is this safe to use based on your experience?

Maybe you should read through the whole "review" rather than just quote out the part that excites your eyes.

Let me help you with the link The Do’s and Don’ts of Tor Network (https://www.hongkiat.com/blog/do-donts-tor-network/)
You are welcome  :)

It is not possible to know with certainty if any of these sites are collecting personal information. You should assume that the operators are collecting information on their users.

Something tells me you're less concerned about the safety of other users and more scared that someone might uncover the evidence they need to have your myriad sockpuppet accounts nuked for ban-evasion.

You're wrong.
I want to be an useful bitcointalk member.

friendly BSV ecosystem should be integrated to bitcointalk

You'd have to be delusional to think there is even a chance of that.

There's nothing friendly about it.  BSV is a hostile entity.  As are you.

Can't guarantee your security, for instance if you decide to log into your favorite Facebook account and start surfing the web with your myriad email accounts and interlinked services. Even if some new IP "***.***.*.**" or fingerprint A is unknown at the start, if they start doing things that link them to you... should go read into the help guide.

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I see no point of this thread. Whether these entities answer in one way or not, their recognition of the affirmative is not evidence thereof.

At the end of the day, you're trusting the words and intentions of others: if you aren't comfortable with that, use any sort of mechanism you have to for obfuscation. There are ways.

No, you wrong. BSV is an integral part of total crypto- ecosystem

This is not for you to judge, but for the consensus of the majority

Because if FBI take by the gills admins of these log servers - safety of users will be in big danger

You know all the FBI has to do is ask Cloudflare, right? They know much more about Bitcointalk users than any third-party website.

If your safety depends on logging on websites you visit, it's already too late for you.

This is a vulnerability and a threat incompatible with the philosophy of the cypherpunk forum

Seems like someone needs a new pants ever since the feds were here yesterday. 🙂  why though, have you done anything wrong beside everything you have done so far?

We know it, but there is nothing wrong with the forum cooperating with law enforcement agencies.

I mean something else. People who are not bitcointalk owners (Loyce, Bpip & Ninjastic) receives data from bitcointalk users through their websites (Loyce, Bpip & Ninjastic). This is vulnerability. They are actually processors of personal data without a license. And these sites (Loyce, Bpip & Ninjastic) do not disclose information about the their owners (Loyce, Bpip & Ninjastic) like scam exchanges. It is unclear who will be responsible if the dump of their database with IP-data leaks to the darknet

But anyone can collect the data, only this forum has access to IPs, and other personal data plus a few agencies, those mentioned sites have no access to such data. And while you are at it, do you guys have a forum of your own, so we can migrate there and milk the life out of you or you are just another milker yourself? Lol.

In the past, the bitcointalk database has already leaked to the darknet and no one was held responsible for it

To be honest, I don't like the idea of these 3rd parties (loyce, bpip) collecting my data, including modified/deleted posts and many other info that they collect because the community here is a very privacy-supportive and it doesn't look like when someone tries to get max info but it's a public data after all and absolutely everyone can collect them without my permission, it's 100% legal, so I don't complain.

By the way, my approach is: Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. LoyceV, Ninjastic and other users seem to be nice and I think they help the community instead of harming, so, I think they aren't doing any bad but it's better for your safety to assume that they are collecting IP data and so on.

Just download Tor, take care of your privacy and don't play Russian roulette.

How about the no doubt many more parties that do the same, but don't openly tell you about it?

I agree with you, many 3rd parties would be collecting the data without openly telling us about it. But don't get me wrong, I don't blame you either, I just said that I don't like it when someone can view my deleted/modified posts by visiting a certain website but have I ever blamed you? No, because it's a public data and we all are responsible for sharing any public data, including our IPs, screen resolution and more.
Blaming someone for collecting your public data looks like blaming someone for writing down every day what clothes you wear.

Queen of England HAD the same address, she is dead now, but maybe new king of England took over the IP address  8)
Are you interested in selling this valuable information?

Sounds like a solid business plan, let's test it out. Would you like to buy your IP or should I sell to the highest bidder? ;)

(wondering if I should add "j/k" but I think various humorless timelords will archive it as proof of abuse and corruption either way)

I conclusively proved many years ago that 127.0.0.1 is actually BPIP's IP address:


Therefore korner = suchmoon = Vod = the King of England.

A question to all of you

Are you using ipdata’s web service?
Are you using Cloudflare?
Are you using Amazon?
Are you using packet switching?

Read this
https://ipdata.co/blog/how-to-get-the-ip-address-in-javascript

I found this website that has literally everyone's IP address:

http://icanhazip.com/

Scariest website of all the intertubes. Don't click!

This doesn't matter. If you see LoyceV and others as a threat, you should see anyone else on the forum as an equal threat. I don't see them collecting anything other than public information.

Regarding IP addresses, you should see every website you visit likewise an equal threat to your privacy.

If you don't like the services they offer, don't visit their websites. Simple.

This is illegal right, doxxing someone's IP address? Wait the Queen's still alive? Will they be doing a remaster of the Bohemian Rhapsody? Or maybe just the song Under Pressure?

Let's tell for newbies who is creators of these spyware sites:

Loycev           is a creator of Loyce.Club
o_e_l_e_o      is a creator of ninjastic.space
suchmoon      is a creator of bpip.org

Is it correct?

Yes. Unfortunately the URL o_e_l_e_oastic.space was already taken.

It's too many spyware sites for one forum

Why are there so many of you? One loyce.club would be enough.

This bpip.org site is very slow and sluggish. Is your bpip site is slow because you collect the most user data or is it a problem with your hosting? Are you using JavaScript?

My rating of speed of these sites

1 Loyce.club - fast
2 ninjastic - average
3 bpip - sluggish (probably because it also collects browser fingerprints) (this is very dangerous for privacy of users)

I thought we discussed this 1.5 years ago:

Not knowing how to use databases has it's perks, 20 million static HTML files are fast to server.

I agree.

I also think that one Bitcoin is enough. Why so many of you? Bitcoin Cash, Bitcoin SV, Bitcoin Diamond...

???

I don't think he can digest this one, I mean there is no escaping from this embarrassment. Busted bsv. 😅😅

"Another one bites the dust" might be more relevant to the queen's current... uhmmm... status.


No, I'm just lazy. Shoveling all those bits into the intertubes is hard work.

Every website that you visit collects all browser fingerprints in it's log files - it does not slow down anything.   If BPIP is keeping and processing such data, where is it and why?  No one cares if xx% of browsers are Safari, or what your preferred language is.   Remember, if you were to hide all data from a webserver, no cookies would work and most modern sites would break. 

These three services provide different types of data:

BPIP (https://bpip.org/) (created first) - is like the census.  It collects, aggregates and compares data, ranking and sorting.
Loyce Club (https://loyce.club/) (created second) - is like a library.  It contains RAW information which is harder to find but downloadable.
Ninjatastic Space (https://ninjastic.space/) (created third) - is like a registry.   You can search for specific data if you have parameters.

Although the claims OP make are rather pointless, I disagree with you here. User Agent, browser language, resolution etc. are all very effective at identifying users without IP address.


I find it annoying that data collection has become this necessary evil that we must accept as if there was no other option. Modern websites would break because they want to collect data not because of any technical reasons on the server-side. Most websites do not work correctly with Tor Browser because there are additional checks or Tor is blocked altogether. The only options we have to browse internet privately are becoming increasingly difficult to use at an alarming rate.

The battle for internet freedom is already lost if we simply accept these things.

EDIT: Phrasing

I'm sure there are ways to bypass data collection by sites

The battle for freedom is just beginning