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I'm not entirely sure how this happened but I'm pretty sure I've been hacked.

I am holding the funds for Coinomize and Yo!Mix Signature campaign, around $5,000 which is a lot of money here in the Philippines.
https://blockstream.info/tx/b7d7c5c5516c605bf76107d4f8984b581632df845ad2fceaf4dcfe788943620e
https://blockstream.info/tx/7905f4f56cb80162152f1a211acb76312372eaa382bac063b5e571ee52d8c9aa

I am using this version of Electrum 4.3.2 which I've downloaded from the official website.

I know this looks bad and would probably look as if I ran with the funds, but honest to God, I did not.

I am devastated and ruined and quite frankly pretty angry at how stupid I am for not using my hardware wallet (Ledger) and just relying purely on Electrum. Either this old version is corrupted or they got into my system.

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To those who hacked my wallet and owned this address: bc1qd5chfxnqa7gvrvl6cmqcvcvu3rjsl9gwa2juz8 you should know that you ruined my life.
https://blockstream.info/tx/2793ed8971ca14ed86fb510db9996dd37e4de6793c643b534c5feada898e9a61

I depend on this little hustle of bounty management to support the needs of my family.

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Edit

As the first part above was just the thoughts pouring in to my mind that I had to post it immediately.

Here's some clarifications.

Again I am using Electrum 4.3.2. That wallet has been telling me to update itself but I neglected that info thinking the wallet is safe.

The 12 word pass phrase was never written on any document online. I wrote it down directly into my personal notebook. The password to it is also unique for which I have never used anywhere else.

The problem is my system had no anti-virus or whatsoever, it does have windows defender but now, I think that shitty app isn't doing anything. I got zero ping that someone is accesing my system. If I haven't been informed by Coinomize team that the funds were transferred, I wouldn't have notice it since the Electrum wallet was last openned four hours ago after the funds were transferred. Meaning, the wallet is offline.

I know all of you will not believe me but I will do everything I can to repay the lost funds even if it takes a while.

The Yo!Mix team and Coinomize team will probably post a scam accusation soon and rightfully so since I have no means to prove my innocence. I will accept whatever this community would think of me as I know this is all my fault for being so careless and stupid.

I've been in this forum since 2017 and I'm truly heart broken that this happened.

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Edit again, some screenshots and timestamps (UTC):

January 03, 2023, 06:13:36 AM: Received funds to run Coinomize Signature Campaign ($1,000 in BTC) for 1 week [TXID (https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/transactions/btc/7905f4f56cb80162152f1a211acb76312372eaa382bac063b5e571ee52d8c9aa)]
January 03, 2023, 06:41:38 PM: Ran Coinomize Signature Campaign (Coinomize funds are untouched in Electrum for 6 days)
January 09, 2023, 10:48:00 PM: Received funds to run Yo!Mix Signature Campaign ($4,000 in BTC) for 4 weeks but initial funds sent are only for 1 week [TXID (https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/transactions/btc/b7d7c5c5516c605bf76107d4f8984b581632df845ad2fceaf4dcfe788943620e)]
January 09, 2023, 11:43:26 AM: Ran Yo!Mix Signature Campaign
January 09, 2023, 01:35:00 PM: Electrum wallet drained [TXID (https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/transactions/btc/2793ed8971ca14ed86fb510db9996dd37e4de6793c643b534c5feada898e9a61)]
January 09, 2023, 04:13:21 PM: Coinomize team informed me that the funds have been transferred
January 09, 2023, 04:24:58 PM: Paused Yo!Mix Signature Campaign. Informed all currently accepted participants through private message.
January 09, 2023, 04:51:41 PM: Posted this thread.


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Quote from: julerz12 on January 13, 2023, 01:46:35 PM

Quote from: YOSHIE on January 13, 2023, 01:24:07 PM

I think i can see something, regarding the hacker's address, it seems the hacker has started dumping the stolen BTC to two different addresses.

ID: https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/addresses/btc/bc1qd5chfxnqa7gvrvl6cmqcvcvu3rjsl9gwa2juz8

New disposal address for a total of: $5,915, halved.

0.30000000 BTC/$5.663
bc1q0r3fwzyrspdl34nsrxm5354wx96zsnfrt9nvmt

0.01337655 BTC/$252
bc1ql008q9cjhfcsmn7sujg99d79n0r4v0yuxgke6s

Is there a possibility that the two disposal addresses above, can be traced.......!

I've been trying to find connections with that address here in this forum and even on other crypto-related forums but so far, I found nothing and its quite frustrating.
*bc1qd5chfxnqa7gvrvl6cmqcvcvu3rjsl9gwa2juz8  - this address seems created fairly new and has no other addresses within the same wallet
https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/d3a7bd26c2f5ecb4/addresses

Same goes for the two new addresses:
*bc1q0r3fwzyrspdl34nsrxm5354wx96zsnfrt9nvmt
https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/a3c595887e1163d2/addresses
*bc1ql008q9cjhfcsmn7sujg99d79n0r4v0yuxgke6s
https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/8479fa3aa408c558/addresses

Stolen funds have now been transferred to a bunch of addresses which I assume is either a mixer or the hacker's collection point.
See here: https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/addresses/btc/bc1q0r3fwzyrspdl34nsrxm5354wx96zsnfrt9nvmt

bc1q0r3fwzyrspdl34nsrxm5354wx96zsnfrt9nvmt (along with 50 other btc addresses) transferred BTC to 30 addresses (each address has $11,000 worth of BTC).
bc1q0r3fwzyrspdl34nsrxm5354wx96zsnfrt9nvmt is now connected to a wallet with a total of 17,606 addresses (according to: https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/0008dcb537375e73/addresses)

[EDIT]^1/22/23 I've been informed that the addresses the hacker sent the funds to were apparently from ChipMixer. With that being said, tracing the stolen funds is now utterly useless.

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Plans for repaying lost funds

Quote from: julerz12 on January 11, 2023, 02:44:32 AM

My plan is simple.
As I've previously mentioned on this thread, I've got a motorbike, probably cost around $1,000 if I sell it which I will. That should cover the lost funds for Coinomize ($1,000). Although it might take a while for it to get sold so I'll start sending whatever amount I can gather for now.
Also, a portion of my upcoming bounty management fees will be used to pay these debts that I now owe to Coinomize and Yo!Mix. For starters, I just launched another campaign yesterday for which I was paid $400 to manage it for 4-weeks (here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5433758)); I've already informed both project teams (Coinomize & Yo!Mix) that they'll be refunded with $150 each for now. I still need $100 for my family's expenses which isn't much but we will try and make do for the rest of the month.
Any means of additional income I get, a portion of it will be sent to these project teams. Signature payouts, management fees, etc.

The $320 BTC management fee from Yo!Mix that they've also sent upfront prior to the incident will also be returned to them today.
I just need both parties to confirm the BTC addresses they've given (through private messages) here on this thread so the whole community would know that I'm sending out refunds to correct wallet addresses and not to just some random wallet address that I made up.

Code:

Coinomize:
Great Thanks ;)

BTC Address: 17fd4FLbj7rQCCPhRo3yqdZQPtKggs7mqc

Code:

Yo!Mix:
hello, sorry we have only btc
bc1q5xzdzzdagmtny5n285q02hfczjcm6hpdwu6mr3

Quote from: [banned mixer] on January 11, 2023, 06:15:32 AM

Quote from: julerz12 on January 11, 2023, 02:44:32 AM

Code:

Coinomize:
Great Thanks ;)

BTC Address: 17fd4FLbj7rQCCPhRo3yqdZQPtKggs7mqc

Address Confirmed.

Quote from: YoMix on January 11, 2023, 07:10:45 AM

Quote from: julerz12 on January 11, 2023, 02:44:32 AM

Code:

Yo!Mix:
hello, sorry we have only btc
bc1q5xzdzzdagmtny5n285q02hfczjcm6hpdwu6mr3

Confirmed.

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Transaction details and amounts

*Yo!Mix total amount to be reimbursed: $4,320 in BTC ($4,000 in Signature campaign bounty pool + $320 upfront management fee)
Remaining: $2653
1/10/2023: $320 management fee returned + $150 initial refund for the lost funds: https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/transactions/btc/bdae89f63a82d45cde5412b6c9dd63802a999cb389a3da51adb63d289842c579
1/21/2023: $100 reimbursed to Yo!Mix team: https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/transactions/btc/6e9bb2b1d8d86fc4e1980c3aecace153dc5f87d847c5788800e44a16e11a1b19
2/12/2023: $100 reimbursed to Yo!Mix team: https://blockstream.info/tx/986031a7ef00168075ed0336296978c6d7f6e8ab276e9846b681b9c4144cd434
3/14/2023: $100 reimbursed to Yo!Mix team: https://blockstream.info/tx/d7b29c41ffff0b2b2542b0904bf83b2dbc0a28ddae9295c7d1aad7364c2faa89
3/27/2023: $100 reimbursed to Yo!Mix team: https://blockstream.info/tx/7a42a6433e150bbdc81826abd27430c20fa30c9fda47fbc25aa99d64a9e1c88a
4/03/2023: $100 reimbursed to Yo!Mix team: https://blockstream.info/tx/f85ba90422c0d32eb2c792a8412bbc8aacca22174fb73c6b7e311c348a2a95c5
4/11/2023: $100 reimbursed to Yo!Mix team: https://blockstream.info/tx/0e057c40c13d7b7f302026c730ac602e4914a9d7b760c5b5eb265efeb63edac1
4/29/2023: $200 reimbursed to Yo!Mix team: https://blockstream.info/tx/c600594c5ffb5f80e9d535c7a3b2db3149b275fdea18770e8269c1f7460650e8
5/18/2023: $147 reimbursed to Yo!Mix team: https://blockstream.info/tx/3387aac565baee92b32547663d1507efab8b2f2c70e593c89f229d3e000e0491
5/29/2023: $100 reimbursed to Yo!Mix team: https://blockstream.info/tx/c6fa428f93daeac6769d1f3bde44f315b9fc7c60896002a084e15693eeef84f8
6/19/2023: $150 reimbursed to Yo!Mix team: https://blockstream.info/tx/268d4ab15ba90700945fd2e803654faee1c18bed4d354dedc0541c432ad447ca

*Coinomize total amount to be reimbursed: $,1000 in BTC
Remaining: fully reimbursed
1/10/2023: $150 initial refund for the lost funds: https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/transactions/btc/246520fe68abe0439c1ea10f8cb17c1f8ff4699fe78e2044102427a637af84e5
1/16/2023: $160 has been automatically reimbursed to Coinomize team. Payment was from my management fee from managing their Signature campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434813.0), ($80/week) + ($80/week) for wearing their signature.
1/23/2023: $160 has been automatically reimbursed to Coinomize team. Payment was from my management fee from managing their Signature campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434813.0), ($80/week) + ($80/week) for wearing their signature.
1/30/2023: $160 has been automatically reimbursed to Coinomize team. Payment was from my management fee from managing their Signature campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434813.0), ($80/week) + ($80/week) for wearing their signature.
2/06/2023: $160 has been automatically reimbursed to Coinomize team. Payment was from my management fee from managing their Signature campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434813.0), ($80/week) + ($80/week) for wearing their signature.
2/13/2023: $160 has been automatically reimbursed to Coinomize team. Payment was from my management fee from managing their Signature campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434813.0), ($80/week) + ($80/week) for wearing their signature.
2/20/2023: $160 has been automatically reimbursed to Coinomize team. Payment was from my management fee from managing their Signature campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434813.0), ($80/week) + ($80/week) for wearing their signature.
2/27/2023: $160 has been automatically reimbursed to Coinomize team. Payment was from my management fee from managing their Signature campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434813.0), ($80/week) + ($80/week) for wearing their signature.

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Changelogs:
1/10/2023: Resized screenshots, Added plans for repaying lost funds, added Coinomize/Yo!Mix confirmations to their own BTC addresses, added timestamps
1/16/2023: Added info to Coinomize reimbursement
1/21/2023: Added info to Yo!mix reimbursement
1/23/2023: Added info to Coinomize reimbursement, Info about stolen fund's transfers and movement on the blockchain
1/27/2023: Added remaining amount of funds needed to be reimbursed.
1/30/2023: Added info to Coinomize reimbursement
2/02/2023: Added quicklinks
2/06/2023: Added info to Coinomize reimbursement
2/12/2023: Added info to Yo!mix reimbursement
2/13/2023: Added info to Coinomize reimbursement
2/20/2023: Added info to Coinomize reimbursement
2/27/2023: Added info to Coinomize reimbursement
3/14/2023: Added info to Yo!mix reimbursement
3/27/2023: Added info to Yo!mix reimbursement
4/03/2023: Added info to Yo!mix reimbursement
4/11/2023: Added info to Yo!mix reimbursement
4/29/2023: Added info to Yo!mix reimbursement | Added some colors to some texts.
5/18/2023: Added info to Yo!mix reimbursement | Updated images and re-uploaded to TalkImg
5/29/2023: Added info to Yo!mix reimbursement
6/19/2023: Added info to Yo!mix reimbursement

But what evidence that you have that anyone will believe that you are hacked? No evidence. If a campaign manager is not yet reputed on this forum, there is nothing bad for you and the site that brought signature campaign to use 2-of-2 multisig wallet for it. If 2-of-2 multisig wallet is used, it would have been better.

You can use 2FA on another device with Electrum, you can use multisignature on Electrum, you can setup Electrum on airgapped device. There are ways to use Electrum without thinking of a hardware wallet except that you want to use it also for altcoins as Electrum do not support altcoins. But this is a bitcoin signature campaign.

What did you think would be the consequence of this? No one will believe you. Or if they believe you, the conclusion would be that you are not capable of holding a company's coin safe and secure, which supposed to be used for a campaign on this forum, one of the first qualities a campaign manager should have.

Yeah, that's not really trustworthy after the first signature campaign here and before our first payout....

The first question is: where were you holding that money? Was it in a hot wallet? Because if so, it was a big mistake, no bounty manger should hold such funds without a proper setup - cold storage, hardware wallet, maybe even multisig.

If it was a hot wallet that got emptied, you'll need to see what you have installed on the computer(s) and/or smartphone(s) you've accessed that wallet with.
If it's a cold wallet, you'll have to see how you've generated it and where you've stored the safety backup/seed.

Expecting the thieves give you back that money is, sorry to say, pretty much a hope in vain and also counterproductive. :(


LE: wow, you have Ledger and still used a hot wallet. Impressive! How could you go this wrong?!?  >:(

If it's a lot of money, why are you using a hot wallet?

That's not even a rookie mistake, and you're not a rookie.

From the campaign's perspective, the result is the same.

This isn't looking good at all, even on the forum. No matter how I (or anyone else) want to say you're one of the reputable managers here, facts and concrete evidence are going to be needed to prove your innocence to start with. This isn't a situation anyone will wish to be in. My advice to you is to lay the facts of what happened bare. What you've in the OP isn't enough to convince anyone yet.

You just scared me! If this is the case then I would say no online wallet is safe.

I would like to know if you hired any staff for campaign management, Or do you handle all the work by yourself single handly? Find out if someone else is using your computer.

Many times we use "Team Viewer" or "Any Desk" software for online meetings, and these are one of the reasons for getting hacked.

I never felt like julerz12 would be untrustworthy. I had a long chat with him regarding campaign management.
I got a PM few minutes ago by Yomix in my telegram, I was looking for verifying if he is the real one because I already had seen julerz12 managing the campaign but got surprised when he said me this happened.

This is really a stupid one to hold fund on hot wallet. And when it comes to escrow fund, we should be more concerned and must use cold wallet. It doesn't take a lot of time of course.

Didn't expect this. Hope you get this shit fixed, man. Good luck julerz12.

I don't want to rub salt into your wound, but you just made bitcointalk forum with all members look bad, and you damaged your reputation.
People trusted you on both sides, and I don't see you made clear step by step explanation what really happened with coins you received and lost.
Situation is even worse since you already own  a hardware wallet, and you could easily connect it with Electrum wallet.
I am not saying you stole the money, but acting this way is no better and I have seen people getting negative feedback for smaller mistakes.

This is one among the reasons why many people will not believe in crypto. Especially where I reside, once you mentioned Bitcoin or anything related to crypto they'll assume you to be a scammer. Their argument is always on why transaction can not be traced. It would have been a different experience if it happened to be a bank related issue. I pray God make things easier for you but regardless, your reputation is questionable henceforth. I really feel sorry for you.

I just found out about this from the Campaign summary thread and it is simply heart breaking.
I am nobody to judge anyone here, but storing 5k USD in Electrum instead a HW sounds like insanity, even more if those satoshis are not one's.

I feel sorry for OP and the campaigns affected by this alleged hack, keeping an eye on this thread to see how situation evolves...

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To all the people reading this, let us learn from this, and be aware we are in times when hot wallets are not safe anymore for any quantity of money, we live in an era where there is an army of criminals waiting for any of you to commit the smallest mistake to steal all your holdings. Hardware wallets cost 60-200$, get one today or learn how to build and handle your own, before it is too late.

The main question here is will @OP pay to the participants of coinomize signature campaign from his pocket or should we consider that we have advertised 1week for free?
PS: The first week payments are due this Thursday.

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EDIT: Coinomize just confirmed they'll pay to the participants for the first week.

Very correctly stated. And, as a matter of fact, I've already seen another Reputation thread exactly on this: people asking who's to be blamed / tagged for the loses.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5433651.0;topicseen

(Of course, as usual, it's not the campaign members asking this in new thread; but that's another story.)

Very sorry what happened to the julerz12 manager now his reputation is at stake because of the failure to store escrow funds in a hot wallet,


So if julerz12 told YoMix the escrow funds are stored in a hardware wallet then why is he using the Electrum hot wallet? Was this from a  on purpose?

I was expecting something better from this problem.

I know a lot of people want to try their hand at managing campaigns and handle a lot of money but just keep this in mind - If you don't have enough money yourself to cover any and all potential losses of your clients funds, don't accept it in the first place.

I can understand wanting to hold several weeks worth of budgets for a bounty/sig campaign but while doing so you also assume all the risk associated with holding said funds. Most of my campaigns, even though I make sure I can cover a week or two, are on a week-to-week basis with receiving funds and sending it out to participants. It makes it easier, it makes it more secure and it gives me a lot less of a headache in case anything were to happen.

Like you said julerz12, $5000 is a lot in PH so could it be possible that someone in your circle may have had access to your computer while you weren't around and simply took the funds? I've seen people do a lot worse for a lot less and you never really know whether it's family or friends.

Sucky situation, however keep in mind that you can still offer a service here and participate in campaigns yourself in order to raise enough money so that you can pay back coinomize and YoMix - if you do care about it and if you feel devestated you know it'll be the right thing to do even if it may take a year+.

To Coinomize and YoMix - this is not normal. In fact I can't remember the last time I saw a campaign manager get a sizeable portion of funds and then lost/stole it so even though you may feel like this place sucks right now there's always a way out of it to make things right and to make people whole - for all parties involved. I'd gladly offer my services to manage your campaigns free of charge until this entire situation is resolved so that you at least can continue your efforts (if you so wish) and hopefully see a different side of this forum.

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@julerz12, this may be a very expensive lesson for you but perhaps one you had to learn regardless. Time to change your mindset and just get on the grind to earn anything and everything you can in order to pay these two services back what is owed but remember that you can make this better and there is a way to come back from this. Don't give up and don't just leave the forum, you're better than that.

What a start of the year, two different companies( [banned mixer] and YoMix) all hit at the same time and non of its participants got paid for their work and why is it that both are mixing companies that have been affected ::), anyway sorry for your loss pal this will be difficult to explain to anyone  :'( I hope this hustle won't be affected after investing so many years in the sig business.

The main question is if the OP intends to repay all his creditors. As far as I know ~75% of the stolen funds were due to Yomix. Campaign participants do not have any priority here.

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Emotions and judgements aside, the question is how do we proceed from here. I see 2 options:

1 - OP gets bashed left and right, gets multiple negative feedback  - result -> he's no longer able to earn from his bounty/signature campaigns activity -> leaves the forum -> creditors get nothing

2 - OP negotiates with creditors to work out some mid to long-term plan of repayment -> creditors withhold from giving him a neg trust until he's repaying -> he's still able to make income on the forum but obliges himself to use either multisig address or escrow service of a more trusted 3rd party until the debts are repaid. -> creditors get paid (slowly but still) and OP has a chance to keep his income stream and rebuild his reputation.

Thoughts?

That's always been the case.

Actually, unless OP pays them back, I believe a Flag is needed. Doesn't matter if OP did it on purpose or really "got hacked", by ignoring basic safety precautions, this applies:

Sometimes, bad days are there to remind us that we have good ones to look forward to. Sad it happened, we'll run new campaign soon managed by Royse777.

Now my suspicion from you just got stronger. My man, you're not a rookie campaign manager you should have known that for how many  years you've been around here. I tried to apply to your campaign, just minutes after I applied it went FULL. I was thinking if you really scanned the profiles of your SELECTED PARTICIPANTS. As I see it, it's full of unfamiliar usernames, don't get me wrong we're thousands here I may not be as active poster but I am an active reader so I know. Then I found out there were revived accounts, unqualified ones, and suspicious accounts. I knew it was something that uncertain, and this just happen.

I was thinking if I'm gonna post about you earlier coz I don't wanna judge, then this happened. You got 2 things you need to explain now.  ???

Part of being a campaign manager is the responsibility of managing campaign funds. I don’t see a way out of this except the manager is willing to pay the campaign participants out of his own pocket. I feel sympathy for you, it’s a bad situation you’re in.
As I know how things work here, option 1 comes first. If OP pays back the campaign funds, the negative tags can be reviewed and changed if need be.

Sorry this happened to you, julerz.
Unfortunately, this incident negatively affect your reputation and harm your business as a campaign manager.
You acted as escrow so it doesn't matter whether you are telling the truth or not (I believe you are), it was your duty to keep the coins safe.

Right now, the best/right thing to do is to find a way to refund the missing amount from your own pocket then find out what happened and who got access to your wallet/device.

Hey mate
You better look for a good stories to cook up i don't believe. You should be held responsible for those funds instead of being here larmenting, telling us a superstitious story.
How would you just have a good campaign like this and you messed up the total funds, okay, let say since you were managing bounties that doesn't worth any value was your wallet hacked or did you lost those management fees you were being paid to manage those bounties?
I think you should better look for another alternative to frame your stories. I just can't believe every company would bear this great lost.
Well if truly this happened to you then take hearts, most time we have to be very mindful.

Fair enough, but just a thought - you could still let OP run it and just use escrow service (i.e. Royse777) to pay participants directly. This way OP could be repaying you a bit of what he owes with his service. That's assuming he'd be willing to that that is.

I think we have a topics here how to update electrum wallet properly, how old version electrum wallets are weak in security, a lots of example how people lost their funds due to Electrum. Sadly, julerz12 must have missed all those cases and did not learn from other people experience. It will be an expensive lesson for bounty manager. His only hope is to pay funds he owe to signature participants from his own pocket. That might save his reputation. Also, those who really support julerz12 as his favourite manager and those who care about julerz12, might help him with that, as they can send him donations.

Feel bad for projects whos signature campaigns were involved. That is a hard hit on their reputation also...

Good luck!

Sorry to read that. I have worked with @julerz12 on many bounty campaigns and he has always proven to be a solid and trustworthy manager. I want to believe it was just a stupid mistake that shouldn't have happened, and it will surely be a costly lesson, but I hope you can fix it.

It's just 5000$, it's not going to ruin your life. Things happen.

If this happened to Luke.. https://twitter.com/OXTObserver/status/1610468658471485440 , it can happen to everyone. I will follow the address with the funds from now on. 90% we will figure out who ended up with the funds.

Yeah I know, but this forum is not famous for smartness.

Giving OP option to earn and repay without him handling any funds > crippling his ability to earn and expect him to repay rather than just to f*** off from the forum.

Anyhow, it's down to OP and the people he owes to make such discussion.

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I see you are putting on a Yomix signature which tells me you are protecting your own interests here after being selected as a participant

and why not allow YoMix to protect their interest after this bombshell?  ::)

A good poster will always be a good poster and will easily be spotted by any good CM, gl in your journey.

Sorry man. I haven’t worked in any of your campaigns before but your trust score is high and reputable members have good things to say about you. I can’t see $5000 as a reasonable amount that will make someone of such high standing risk his account. That’s my opinion, mistakes happen but that doesn’t relieve you of your responsibility to the campaign and its participants. Coinomize campaign is almost at its due date for payment, I think you should first pay the participants the one week they worked. The other campaign just started today and have been paused. You can negotiate with the companies how to refund their money.

It is clear that forum user julerz12 should never again be allowed to run signature companies.  He is not careful and attentive enough to manage other people's money....  

But perhaps he should be given the opportunity to pay off financially affected forum participants and clients.  

To do this, he needs to be given the opportunity to earn on the forum.  In 1 year, he will probably be able to recover all the losses.

All the money earned by him during 2023 on the forum can be directly transferred to the addresses of persons who have suffered financial losses.

Sorry to hear that but you need to work hard to restore your reputation, you will start by trying to pay this amount over a year as the average campaign costs are $400 per month or $4800 per year.
Pay that amount and convince @[banned mixer] / [banned mixer]  to do so, and you will get a natural trust with a pledge to stop running any campaigns in the future.


Most importantly, has all the money been hacked? Do you know how it was hacked? Do you pledge extra money to other campaigns?

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Personally, I do not advise you to do it (to the reputation of the forum.) @Royse777 is a great member, but currently he is temporarily banned, and he had an old trust problem.

@Hhampuz offered you to do this for free you can hire him and you  can get an extended list here ---> Overview of Bitcointalk Signature Anti-Spam Campaign Managers (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4412712.0)

All those are best:
@Hhampuz: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=881377
@LoyceV: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=459836
@Yahoo62278: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=355846

It is unfortunate that such a thing happened just within few hours of campaign listing and appointment of campaign promoters. Such experience is not what I wish anyone to encounteras it is very devastating. Julerz12, as a bounty manager you are, you should have known better than others to save campaign funds very secured because no one would want to hear such stories that touches the heart. If I may ask, the other campaign due Thursday for payment, how would you handle it now. Will you pay them from your salary as you have said that both wallets holding your salary and campaign funds are different? So sorry for the loss.

My goodness how quickly it all happened. I saw the campaign and applied precisely because Royse777 didn't manage it. For that I prefer to stay working for icopress for less than half. So I applied in a moment, after another moment I see that I have been accepted and then in a few hours I see two PMs from the campaign manager and now this thread.

We will have to think about this, but what I see is that leaving aside what has really happened, we do know at least that julerz12 has been careless. A campaign manager with the time he has been in the forum should have used a hardware wallet and not just rely on Electrum:

Yeah, I wouldn't mind that.


And how I am not allowing them to protect their interest exactly? Bu suggesting a solution that could minimise their cost and increase the chances of recouping their losses?

Yeah, gl to you too and enjoy whatever you earned from that post.

Sorry to say, but this is the first smart thing I see in that long post.
Get your computer cleaned and start using your Ledger for literally every cent.
I know that tough days are ahead, but I can guess that people will care much more to know they'll get their money back than whether it was a hack or not.

I wish you best of luck. You'll need it.

Come to think of it, I have a question, julerz12.

Why did you make the campaign thread a self-moderated one?

I don't recall any other, apart from those of Royse777, who had good reasons, but you apparently didn't.

You can prevent this by reaching out and:

- apologising
- expressing your willingness to repay of what got stolen
- coming up with repayment plan

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Shit happens, even one of the most prominent bitcoin devs, LukeJr got hacked recently and lost ~$3 mil worth of btc
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5432665.0

This is very hard to say because I believe no one is perfect, have you come to imagine if this happened to any other reputable campaign manager here what could be our reaction?
Do we still call it a formulations or what?
Yes, this is very disappointing because you can' predicts what would happened in the next few minutes, because I could remembered vividly a member here complained of Electrum hack due to version update.

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Then boiled down @op, $5000 is not that a peanuts in conversion to my local currency, I have heard some managers not accepting much funds from their clients due to the risk involved in holding project funds, there are lots of risk involve while doing that. Although I have know you for a very long time as good manager in this forum but you won't have just tarnished your reputations. Now how would the project owners feels or how would your fellow members feels from their own perspectives towards this issues presently.
And if i could asked, how long do you think this could take you to clear it up if they may give you some grace to join any other sig campaign to pay gradually or take a loan physically to clear them up and gradually pay back while working in the forum. Try as much as possible to gain back your trust by paying back because I believe taking a leave off from here wouldn't be the right decision but to prove your innocent just accept the blame and pay them back it would take you about 1 years or thereafter but I believe taking loan would be the best idea to regain back your trust.

Now to everyone here this is just an incident it may happened to you and it can as well happened to me, lets not forget the fact that wallet hacking is inevitable, this could happen to you via by making payment to wrong address or exchange hack or possibly system got corrupted, at that situation you would be devastated not knowing what to do at the right. At this point I would suggest @op to seat back and take a rethink of what best to do before furthering ahead by reading every single comment here otherwise, he may got fainted with some kind of words he may found here.

I am very sorry bro please take heart, sometimes this is what we see in life.

I sincerely apologize. I'm lost for words.

Yes, It was my own stupidity that this happened.

There's nothing I can provide that would prove my innocence. I would like to kill myself right now but I would prefer another alternative as I have two kids whom I would very much like to see grow up.

I work alone, no one else is allowed to touch my PC, not even my kids.
I don't have those apps. I only have zoom and telegram/discord for communications with project teams.

I know. Again, it was my mistake for not using my hardware wallet. I choose convenience rather than security.

I fully understand and I accept the consequences wholeheartedly.

Yomix team was not told I'm holding the funds in electrum. They never asked, I guess they just trusted me upfront for which I am truly heartbroken that I have failed them.

Not that I know of. No one is even allowed in my room where I keep my PC. Not even my kids can touch it.

I plan on doing so. I know it will be a very long and hard road to overcome but I will most definitely try.

Again, I'm not planning on leaving this forum. I earn my living here (which is a shitty way of telling, I have no real job). My whole family depends on me and I would most definitely not let them down.

I have already suggested this to both project teams and by the looks of it, they have no plans of granting me this request, and rightfully so.

Thank you. I plan on working on a way to refund the stolen funds. It might take a while though as I have no other source of income other than bounty management.

Yes. I am using an outdated version which if I remember correctly, I just downloaded on December 2022. Either I downloaded a corrupted one or again, my entire system got hacked.

Thanks. That's entirely it. A stupid mistake. I got careless and got negligent with the fund's security.

Thanks. It's not really the amount that I'm totally heartbroken with but the impact this event will have on my family and me.
Please update us on your findings.

Yes, I plan on doing so.

I am currently also holding funds to Moonbet.io (an altcoin campaign), those tokens are safe since they are on my ledger but all the BTC funds from my Electrum wallet for Coinomize and YoMix campaigns were all drained.

Easier to delete spam.
Newbies follow every thread I post and most of the time just automatically post Proof of Authentication posts without even knowing the contents of the thread.

You just learned a very expensive lesson @julerz12

The first thing you should do is find out how you got hacked, with that you can at least prove that you didn't steal the money, I'm not saying you did, but having evidence is better than just your words. also so you can protect yourself in the future.
And as many other members said, you can still try and join other signature campaigns if you work hard for a year you can pay the 5k back, an average of $100 per week for 52 weeks is $5200.

Gosh! Come on man. Don't get suicidal, no matter what the situation is. That won't solve anything, instead it will exacerbate the situation for those who care about you. I'm a father too and I can understand this pain of one losing their source of income. Yes, the hurtful words will come in torrents as this is ongoing but you've to grow a thick skin at a time like this by finding a way out. That way out should be centred on repaying the debts to both companies. Nothing else can be a better strategy. We all make mistakes and mistakes they say is a natural human flaw in all.

This could be some bot accounts, because I don't think reasonable Human Being would just came up posting POA without even reading the contents of the messages.

That's IMO the best decision. And as you see you'll even meet support from other forum users on that way. May be someone of reputable even will help with escrowing funds for some of your new campaigns with which you'll get an opportunity to earn money both for your family and repaying lost. I hope and wish all will go better way for you!

I’m very sorry to hear what happened for you and i hope you can refund that money for the owners, in the meanwhile i will say that i truly believe what you said for many reasons. I have been in few campaigns you managed and you where always helpful and trustworthy what happened now will really hurt your reputation unfortunately no matter what, the reason i believe that you truly got hacked is you will earn better money than that if you continue managing campaigns for couples months and without losing customers.
It’s a lesson everyone should learn about where to put and save their assets especially important ones. Lately we have seen enough scams on exchanges

If someone like this can get hack then I don't understand why some people would think the OP made it up to ruined the rep he has build for years.

I think the only evidence to provide in situations like this is the wallet which the fund was held. I don't know why someone would think the evidence is not enough.
This is really an unfortunate situation and I sincerely hope the good members of this forum would give the OP the opportunity to redeem his rep back by paying for the lost funds.

I just want to say tagging OP red and expect him to pay for lost funds is not going to be easy on him assuming this is his major source where he will gets the most income to pay back.

@julerz12, what happen to you sucks but you should not let it demotivate you, and take comfort from @Hhampuz post, it make a lot of sense. Good luck.

Electrum is ledger compatible.
https://support.ledger.com/hc/en-us/articles/115005161925-Set-up-and-use-Electrum?docs=true
I do not believe that julerz12 is a liar, but if, under the terms of the agreement, he was responsible for the deposit, then he must pay damages.

Don't say that! It's just a "little" money and not the end of the world! We will not open a scam accusation because of something like that. Sure it's not great, but it's not the end of the world as I said. The most important thing is that you straighten it out.

Agreed, no money in the world is worth of destroying your life. I understand that in some countries and for some people that 5K is a lot of money, it is, but it's not the end of the world. If you took the money for yourself (not saying you did) you must think about if it's worth it. Sure, 5K is a year of salary in the PH but taking other people's hard earn money is something that morality and for some even religious just wrong no matter the size. It won't give you any satisfaction, and it won't make your life easier.

Saying that, the best steps to take is change every password on any platform you have, install a good virus installer (contact me I would love to provide you with a coupon code for free).

What I personally would do. Disconnect my pc from the internet. Copy any important files (NO PROGRAMS) to a hard drive. Complete reset your pc or even better reinstall windows from scratch.
Only use a Ledger for crypto or even better use Bitgo.

And do your best to make your clients whole, be honest with them how you can repay the damage. Don't make any promised you can't keep, be straight forward, that is the best way to go.

I want to end my message by saying it again: No money in the world is worth of destroying your life, keep your head up because I'm sure that there are a lot of people loving you and willing to help you.

I am sorry to hear that, man. This is the dark side of the internet.
Don't get broken. Trust in yourself. Try to recover it and pay them back. Good luck.

You really have noble morals, and it is fortunate that we got to know your project through the signature campaign, and I appreciate your generosity you will pay the participants in the [banned mixer] signature campaign for the first week tomorrow. I hope that Julerz will do his best to return the funds to you, even if it is "little" as you mentioned, but it is your right and your money, I feel bad for what happened and I hope you will give the BM time to collect the money that was hacked and return it to you as soon as possible.

Accept my full respect and appreciation for you  :)

After seeing his reputation I don't think he is making any story. Because I do, his reputation will be more than this five thousand dollars. My condolences to julerz12 for this incident. I hope you will not despair and will continue to try to recover. And I think such mistakes will not happen again to you and I think people learn from mistakes Like you already got a big lesson from this incident. And I appreciate your decision to repay the fund.
And I think it is better not to escrow such a large fund if you don't have such a device to protect. It is best to refill the wallet every week.

I appreciate your generosity
https://media.tenor.com/f0-isN1xj9MAAAAC/salute.gif

Thank you.

I totally agree. I'm not* sure if this is worth it but I've held campaign funds equivalent to what was lost today (mostly stablecoins like USDT, USDC) and I have never even think of taking just 1 cent out it. All the funds I escrowed were distributed to all the campaign participants.

Thanks for the tips. Yes, I plan on wiping my system and installing new OS, new programs. It's a pain in the @ss to go through all this but it is a necessary security measure. It just suck that I had to learn this the hard way.

I got a motorcyle that I bought 2 years ago which took me also 2 years of pain staking saving just to buy it, I'm gonna sell it so at least I can repay some of the stolen funds. I will update this thread about it very soon.

We don't know if OP is telling the truth or not, but we live in a dangerous time where even the most secure CEX has been hacked; if CEX that spend millions of dollars on security can be hacked, then OP is a piece of cake. I'd argue that because the OP has pledged to repay the funds and his account is the most important asset to make that happen, raising flags would cause him more harm and shit than he already is.

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OP shit happens but listen I don't agree or disagree with your explanation, but pay attention. SUCIDE is not an option; put your shit up and come up with a solution. Best wishes. Don't give up; you've got this..

To be honest, I was very surprised by this incident and did not expect this to happen to you when you handled 2 mixer campaigns with a large total escrow fund. kill yourself? and you shouldn't do that, your 2 children really need you. I'm curious about what actually happened and how the hacker could infiltrate your wallet!


your intention is very good to return the funds slowly, and I see that the DT team only marks you with neutral feedback, this is a very valuable experience for all campaign managers, and I wish you good luck.

This is so not the news we hope to see in this forum. I can imagine the position both campaign manager in the person of Julerz12 and both [banned mixer]/[banned mixer] would be in at the moment. A time of disbelief and trying to comprehend what must have taken place. Funds and reputation on the line but somehow, the bottom of this would be reached.

The error in this is having to serve as escrow instead of getting getting actual mediator to serve in that regard.

I think this is highly necessary and it's quite noble to give some advise on how to go about campaign managemmin the person of Hhampuz.

That is what's been bothering me.
The Electrum wallet wasn't even open. It was closed and I only opened it again when I got informed by Coinomize team that the funds were traansferred. My jaw dropped and I almost fainted when I saw that a new transaction was in the history tab and the balance is zero.

From what I know, they needed my password to initiate a transaction, correct? They must have somehow logged that password when I opened the wallet to sign an address for the Yomix team to deposit the BTC funds 'cause prior to that $1,000 was just sitting on it from Coinomize for almost a week amd nothing happened to it.

The 12 word phrase was also stored offline, on my personal notebook. Ot was never written on any document on my pc or online.

Needless to say, I will wipe the shit of this OS tomorrow and install a new one with just minimal apps and zero hotwallets.

Sorry for what happened to you @julerz, I'm really sad for you.

I was out and when I came back, I found two messages, one telling me that I was accepted into the [banned mixer] campaign, and the other, shortly after, telling me that the campaign had been suspended because the escrow wallet had been hacked.

I was very surprised when I heard what happened, I believe you, you are not one of the people who do such bad things, but it is your fault in the end and I am sorry to say that you bear full responsibility for what happened. Everyone agrees with me on that.

I hope you can return the guarantee money as soon as possible so that it does not affect your reputation in the forum.

First of all I want to say that I'm sorry about the situation that happened to the OP.

I would just like to complete a few points, to what has already been said, not wanting to make value judgments and condemnations (much has already been done in this regard).


One thing I suggest to the OP is that he do a careful analysis of his PC, in order to try to understand what went wrong and where the problem could have been.
Doing this is essential for 3 reasons:
- Perhaps you will be able to gather evidence or information that you have been hacked.
- Maybe you'll find out where I fail to make this situation happen and that way I don't repeat the same mistakes.
- Sharing what went wrong will help the whole community to continue to improve their security levels and be more prepared.

We shouldn't look at the problem as just a problem, but also as an opportunity for learning and for everyone to improve.

This is not to devalue the victims' loss of money! Heads up! Everything must be done to get that money back.

I think that these types of events, even though they are very sad for everyone involved, should serve to improve. And it is in that sense that I am saying these words.


Good luck to the OP and everyone involved!

Quite an unfortunate situation to come up so early in the year when most have lots of bills to settle.

Everyone would have an conjectures on the matter, whether or not the truth is being told or if someone is being dishonest and whichever way you swing you could have a point.

On the side of julerz, this would be such a silly way to try to make away with user funds. I would expect an experienced user to come up with a better conspiracy theory which would be well thought out and have fewer loopholes in the story.
Besides this we can only take him by his reputation on the forum. As ridiculous as the story could be, it could also be true.

On the flip side, there are so many questions to ask about how it happened and what other funds besides that of the two campaigns in question were stolen. Cause a hack is likely going to affect other funds held on that wallet.

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For now all we can do is watch and wait. julerz12 has hinted at paying the lost funds and coinomize has expressed understanding as long as the situation gets straightened out eventually. That's a positive step and shows the issue can be resolved fully.
Hopefully we see some action towards that commitment in the coming week (the earlier the better it is to show your willingness to fix the issue), this would ease some nerves of the parties involved.

Julerz12, it could all be overwhelming right now, but take some time to cool off as emotions would be running wild atm. Mistakes happen and we have no option but to learn from them. After a day or two, you would have more clarity and can return to some level of normalcy and work out a plan with the other parties.

Julerz12  managed funds in ICO campaigns ( Bounty campaigns) in the past as well, when the rewards were much higher  and there were never any problems.
I've worked with him and every time I got my payment completely, on time, without any problem.
From my point of view and from my experience with him, therefore the hack probability is very high!
If  the system is not compromised ( including keyloggers etc..) we should be aware about Electrum (4.3.2 version )
From what I've checked right now, there was an update about a hour ago, to 4.3.3 version. ( see GitHub)

Oh man, that's not good news and I'm a bit shocked. Unfortunately, you keep hearing about people getting their coins stolen, and this time it's even a BM. I don't really know what to think of the whole thing either, but somehow I believe the whole story.

Surely this event could have been prevented, but now it has happened and it can no longer be changed. Julerz12, life goes on, so don't despair. Usually there are always ways and means to make things right again.

Entirely surprised by the news of the hacking of Julerz12's wallet containing escrow funds for the Coinomize and Yomix campaigns.
this is my first campaign with julerz12 and really didn't expect a hacking incident like this.

 Feel sorry for julerz12 because of this hacking case, but if julerz has stated that he will replace the lost funds, then it will be his responsibility to start clearing his name from allegations of fraud.

hey julerz12, you really have to learn from senior managers like Hhampuz who manage campaigns well and professionally, not only concerned with your comfort but thinking about the security of your escrow funds and wallet. Using a hot wallet is stupid when you have a hardware wallet which is certainly safer. it is a fatal mistake that you do.

Hopefully, this problem will be resolved soon and the campaign will be resumed, all campaign participants hope for the best and that this case will be resolved soon.

and why don't you use additional antivirus besides windows defender? it becomes a fatal error, because windows defender cannot be fully trusted to secure your device. I even use a premium antivirus to secure the device as a backup in case windows defender can't handle it.

Personally, I wouldn't download Electrum via GitHub. Too risky. But then again, their website could also be composable. I use Bitgo for most of my personal funds.

What a clusterfuck, to say the least.


You misunderstood something here. julerz12 was using Ledger for his own salary while funds for campaign were on his hot wallet (Electrum). And yes, it was very irresponsible to use hot wallet for the sake of convenience but it is what it is. Lesson learned the hard way.

We are all human and humans make mistakes. I think we all would not live anymore if we would do something like this because of money ;)

Time will pass.

I am writing this because we are convinced that it was not intentional and he is not lying because he has done a very good job the last few days.
We hope of course that we can solve it together :)

This is what happened to me when I updated my Electrum wallet app[1] on my computer last year before my desktop have a virus and not working anymore. I click the download link of button when the notification popup from electrum wallet pops and direct me to electrum website. I pretty check the website though but still my computer is not working anymore that result to loss of my wallet.

I really understood what Julerz12 feel because that money last is pretty is significant in PH. I really doubt that Julerz will gonna scam because his identity is already exposed on his linked in and other social media. He has a lot of active bounty campaign that pays him for his work weekly. Giving him some time to pay is the best for both party here.

I hope you're alright men. You can recover it.

I feel sorry for all the parties to be loosing something to this hack on julerz12. Judging by his reputation, his been good at his job thus far and became a little carefree then got hit by this hack.
For all we know, it could be an inner circle hack for which his got to look into. I can't imagine this to be done by a far distant person and by the details to have be given on security and privacy, you never can tell how private your diary would have bee to your circle but, just a wrong move could have people reserve a copy.

Looking at [banned mixer] funds in wallet, that's about $1090+ worth with current btc price and them having to sympathise with the manager is so encouragement in the event of truth. So unexpected but, nice to see non the less.

This is a wake up call on security especially for managers and those offering escrow services. Let's be guided.

Sorry for what happened, you've just messaged us on the campaign that we're going on a week 2 and then it's come to noticed that the fund was hacked. I'm not thinking of any negative thing about you since you've made your reputation on the forum through the work that you've been through. Well, it's just two things, you're honest and you'll accept whatever is the condition to cover the hacked funds by paying it to the two campaigns that's involved and you can't take it emotionally since it's really draining you. Or you'll just forget all of the years of hard work you've made and the reputation you've built on and gone in an instant. I doubt the latter part will just be easy on you. @julerz, I'm hoping that you will be able to overcome this situation and I know that we're dealing with tough situations in life but I agree with those folks that it's not the end of your life and you'll bounce back soon. @yomix and @coinomize, I admire your patience and consideration on what has happened to both of you. You're just running your first campaigns and then a terrible experience has came.

julerz12, I don't mean to add insult to injury, but this really looks bad. If what you're saying is true, then I am truly sorry.

I understand that this may seem overwhelming and costly, but please know that it is not the end of the world. While money can be a concern, the most important thing to remember is that there is always a solution to every problem. Remember that money comes and goes, but resilience and determination can help us overcome any challenge.

At this time, the most important thing is to try to stay calm and reach out to the companies that trusted you with their money. By working together, you may be able to find a way to make things right and resolve the situation. Good luck!

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No need to spread FUD. At this time, there is no evidence to suggest that Electrum version 4.3.2 has any critical security vulnerabilities. Version 4.3.3 is only a minor update and has been available since January 3. Please be sure to double-check the facts before sharing information to ensure accuracy.

I really appreciate what you said "We are all human and humans can make mistakes". You are really wise to respond to this hacking case and don't get performed with some negative feedback about the theft of which julerz12 as your campaign manager is accused.

If an already trust julerz12 and this is just his carelessness, will you continue to use his services as a manager again when he replaces the lost funds, or will you switch to another manager?

Julerz12 has a clear identity on his social media and has become an active manager in recent months. Just waiting to replace the lost funds so that the problem can be resolved quickly.

Well, we wouldn't get our money back now if we called him a scammer. You have to listen to the facts first.

He has done a good job, is always online and you get an answer within minutes and I dont think that someone puts his reputation on the line for a few thousand dollars. Anyone else would never come online again and disappear with the money.
Of course, the wallet hack sounds very implausible at first, but we have hope.


Difficult question. We will see how he solves all this now.
If then without escrow wallet.
We will then pay out the funds or use another escrow service if there is such a thing here.

I really feel the pain you are going through right now. It is very painful and devastating to start seeing such all of a sudden. You never expected this to happen just like that.  You never can tell when such occurrence  might take place. Those things are not just ordinary things that would just happen and go but rather it lives either a good or a bad remark but our ability to contain it tells how matured and strong we are.  It will be very difficult for you to explain which I know you will try to do but people will find it difficult to believe and understand you not to talk of someone that has not experienced such before.
Please do not feel too bad about it as the money is not worth your life and peace of mind. Just try calm yourself down  so you could focus and take the right step in making decision to resolving the issue at hand so as not to do anything that would put you in a tough and tight situation.
I believe the people would see the truth you are saying in less than no time. Just cheer up and be at peace with yourself as you have always been. From the little post I have read here, I know you are a good manager and it still speaks for you.

Man!!! I am so sorry to hear it. Many members are expressing their doubts but I do not think it make sense in any way that a campaign manager who built his business for years will give up everything for few K? Very unlikely and suicidal act. Even for debate, if it was done by him then again it does not make sense to reply and let it know to others. He could logout, and never show off. It's all waste of time for him.

So, let's leave the doubt aside, whoever is doubting fuck you assholes. Imagine if you were in such situation, what the fuck would you think you would do considering it is a lot of money for you?

@julerz12, I am sorry again brother. The best course of action will be to make an arrangement with the owners. Show them your true intention and promise them to repay as per the deal you both will agree. Life is not easy, sometimes it's okay, sometimes it's very hard but it's always a blessing to live.

Next time use either hardware wallet or a multisignature wallet with having the keys in different devices. Never store the private key or seed phrase in digital format and in the same device for multisignature wallet. We all do mistakes and pay the price for it. You paid for it but don't let it happen again to pay for the same mistake.

This is indeed a big problem mate since its hard to prove something hard to explain to the people but good thing one of your clients is good and understand the situation so maybe its time for you to prove things that you didn't do something wrong then solve this issue.

Hopefully you can get thru all of this and can settle this big problem occur to you this is really a big messed need to fix.

Now this has happened and even though this is a little difficult for you, you have to stay strong to go through something like this. You have responsibility for your responsibility for your family and of course your previous position regardless of this is your fault or not I think it doesn't matter.
It's not the end of the world and all you need to do is stand tall and face the problems that have happened right now. $5000 is a lot of money for most people but it is still up for grabs and it is certainly not the end of the world as some friends have said before.
You just need to prove that you can get through this and take responsibility for what other people have entrusted to you before. Of course this is a valuable lesson because basically we also need conditions when we are down like this because with that we will be more careful and not careless the next day.

I have only participate in one of julerz12's signature campaign and with the way he handles/organises all the activities that takes place in his campaign is just something else most especially his telegram group. I have always viewed him as one of the most organised CM. So I'm curious to know how on earth was it possible for an organised man like julerz12 to get hacked this is really freaking me out.
I have heard of losing funds by copying and pasting addresses if your system is infected with malware but I'm not sure if that's the case here since he said [banned mixer] money stayed in his wallet for up to a week before this hack. Or have hackers have devised a new method of stealing data from our system undetected? Wow this is shocking...


I know that the money is quite alot, with $5000 I would be able to accomplish so many things but that doesn't mean it's more valuable than your life. And just as you said in your post that you have children what do you think will be of them if you should take the suicidal path? Suicide won't stop anything it will only lead to the creation of more pain for those that you're going to leave behind.

All I can say right now is that you should be strong, make sure you check your health because I'm sure losing money that's has enormous has this can cause some mental stress and if perhaps you wish to pay back little by little you need to be alive to accomplish that so please just take your time to relax and don't forget medications. Remember health is wealth.

Why not use the services of someone who is more experienced in managing campaigns and has extensive experience as a campaign manager, in my opinion @yahoo62278 and @Hampuz are worth replacing than you have to use the services of @Royse777, but if @Julerz12 wants to be responsible and willing to pay or replace  these funds, will it be continued again and continue to use the services of @Julerz12..

1. If you can't guarantor marketing funds, you shouldn't be in this business.

2. It seems strange to me to create a new wallet (given that you have been working with other clients for more than one year). I would understand if you said that you do this all the time, but this is also strange because having a notebook with different private keys, and constantly switching from one wallet to another is a complete disrespect for your personal time). As a client, I wouldn't send you money if you didn't sign a Bitcoin message from any Bitcoin Address you've previously used to store campaign funds (or at least the one linked to your account here).

Sorry for your expensive loss mate @julerz12, that's quite a big amount here in our country but I know you can work on it and cover your loss fund and pay back these two companies.

I've encountered this before but it wasn't version 4.3.2, upon opening the Electrum app on my laptop, there's a pop-up showing that I need to update the current version before I can proceed to make a transaction.  So I went to the official website and downloaded the latest version then deleted the old one, so meaning I didn't click the message pop-up on the screen.  (Everything went fine and that time)
My question is, have you clicked it?

I thought you were not using a hot wallet like Electrum since you've been here quite a long time managing signature and bounty campaigns.
But whatever mistakes it is, just face it and never do another stupid thing as you think to end this world, that doesn't solve the problem.  I read the suggestion of @Hhampuz which is ideal to follow.

(Laban lang Kabayan, kaya mo yan.)

I am really sorry for this accident you got and hope you will resolve it and come back.

Is the screenshot a message you got after upgrading your Electrum?

I searched and did not find any latest news or reports about Phishing attack on Electrum wallet. A past attack is in 2018 4 years ago. I am not so sure you got a same problem.
Electrum vulnerability allows arbitrary messages, phishing (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5090097.msg48911838#msg48911838)
Electrum Wallet Phishing Attack Nets Hackers $900K in Bitcoin (https://bitcoinist.com/electrum-wallet-phishing-bitcoin/)
https://bitcoinist.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/50359293-8780b500-055c-11e9-8cfd-83b342edeffb.png

Does this attack come back?

My 2 cents.

It's not good to Escrow funds of different campaigns in 1 wallet. It happened already but I believe if you have multiple wallets with different seed, different passwords, you can have chance to protect one of two funds from [banned mixer] and Yomix.

Because you store them all in one wallet, when shit happened, you lost all.

I customize Preference in Electrum wallet.
Mis tab.
Automatically check for software updates.
I uncheck the option to avoid phishing attack.

When did you download that version?

I did not get a message like yours with my wallet.

In this case we see that the two people most affected, those who hired him, give him the benefit of the doubt. From a distance we cannot know what really happened to him but from the way he acted I am also inclined to think that the most likely scenario is that he was robbed of his funds.

He will have to reach an agreement to pay back the stolen money, even if it is little by little, and it is going to be difficult because the money he is paying back is going to be money that he will not be able to use to buy food for his family.

OP, you're in big trouble. because you hold the funds, you have full responsibility for the funds.
it seems that the campaign can no longer continue due to missing funds. one campaign seems to have decided to keep paying for the week. but for a campaign that was just released and should be discontinued. I doubt you can continue, seeing as they give negative feedback on your account. You still have to return it.
You can contact the relevant parties and discuss the best solution to the problem.

I created a new wallet for these campaigns since the previous Electrum wallet I had was not segwit, it's a legacy wallet, eats more fees.

Thank you
I clicked it but I did not download anything. It redirected me to Electrum's website but I did not proceed on updating the wallet.

I use Electrum mainly for convenience, it allows sending rewards in batches.

The wallet was dowbloaded from Electrum's official website, around December 2022. I made that new wallet for the Coinomize campaign.
I even verified their signatures at that time to be sure.

There was no similar pop-up like the ones in previous phishing events. Only that little notification on bottom right of the wallet. I did clicked it though and it points me to Electrum's website but I did not download anything from there.

Next time, make sure you have a separate device that is only used for business or signature campaign purposes. This should include your electrum, ledger live, or any other tools that allow you to confirm the installer of electrum's signature (Kleopatra).

If possible, try installing at least the most basic Linux OS which is Mint for you to have some barrier and avoid doing stuff other than crypto. Practice a good OPSEC kabayan  :-[

Sorry julerz12 for your loss... most probably your laptop was compromised and you were targeted by someone who was monitoring "you" or your computer, since the funds were drained within a few hours of transfer and your announcement.

We always focus on Not Your Keys, Not Your Coins but we forget to add that anything "online" keys, wallet phrases, passwords etc. are also part of not your keys not your coins thing.

Anyway don't cry over spilled milk, this is for your own reputation and to regain your trust back here... I think you should propose a plan to repay [banned mixer] and YoMix. Let me it be weeks or months but this was your responsibility and taking such responsibility comes with obligation.

Again the way both teams [banned mixer] and YoMix have handled the situation they must be appreciated too.



Wow hats off to you Hhampuz for such a generous offer ... now its up to [banned mixer] (YoMix already selected Royse777)

I feel sorry for you for this unfortunate event man, I can't hardly remember, but I'm pretty sure I have participated in one of those campaigns and contest you've managed before.

Sometimes, we tend to do the most stupid things that puts us in a lot of risks for the sake of "convenience", and yeah it comes with a price as we are always responsible for our own actions.
You see, there have been a mixed sentiments here, some believes and some don't and you can't blame them. But don't lose hope, there's always a way to fix this. Either you do the extra work to recover the funds (which is almost impossible), or you pay it with your own pocket. I know that's a lot of money, but then again, you can do an extra work to pay off this considered as debt.
Remember, if there's a will, there's a way.
Good luck to you man and don't lose hope, you can do this.

Ps. Kudos to @Hhampuz for giving such a classy advice and stepping up for another campaign manager.

It would be nice if you could post a comprehensive guide on good OPSEC on our local board.

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It will take time but you'll recover whatever you've lost @julerz12

From icopress   2023-01-10 : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=950662;dt

How is it going to resolve the problem? Because of the tag you left, many campaign mangers will deny him joining their campaign, companies will deny him to give their projects, resulting he is not going to financially benefit from the forum. As per his explanation the forum is his only earning source. sucks but it's reality for him.

Besides, look at the long history he have in the forum. Think logically (since you are a campaign manager yourself) what benefit it brings him to steal the funds and ruin his long established business. Nothing adds up.

You guys are too triggered to leave a feedback to others no matter neutral or negative or positive. I noticed the tendency especially the users who joined from 2017 and later. Some of you feel you are too much responsible to involve in anything that matters the reputation and jump on quick decision. Have I seen a feedback from LoyceV, yahoo62278, NeuroticFish, Hhampuz or me. All of them read the story so far. Others who are regular in reputation board and older members, don't you think many of them already read it but have they left a feedback yet? No.

It's not always black and white. Someone makes a mistake or became a victim of a bad incident and you all show up, destroy them without giving a chance to redeem. Ultimately you are the ones are causing trouble, liable to lose business for two parties. Both the victims. In the specific case, julerz12 will not be able to generate any revenue, results the two company don't get their lose back. How is your feedback helping a single member in the forum?

What would you feel and do if you are in the same shoe of julerz12? I hope your answer is not going to: You will never be in trouble in your life.

I agree with you here.
Even coinomize have decided to cooperate and help him recover with time (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5433643.msg61569908#msg61569908).
Maybe he should be allowed to join sig. campaigns but the payout addresses should belong to yomix and coinomize so the weekly rewards are sent directly to these two service providers. Also by the time OP could find another job (offline or online) and fasten the process of recovery. It may take sometime, but theres nothing in life which can't be solved. Atlast, we are all humans with brains (not animals). Best wishes to the OP!

At least give him a chance ^[month(s)] to resolve this problem before leaving negative feedback and I agree with you.
Leaving negative feedback as of now won't help --let @julerz fix this problem and repay those two companies within a specific time limit.

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I do not know how you will pay them @julerz with that big amount --but it is worth it to save the reputation that you have built for how many years here in the forum ^{[also our country's reputation]}. I believe in you, don't lose hope --you can even raise funds in our local to cover up this mess. Many members there have joined the high paid signature campaigns.

Many campaign managers doesn't only look on the negative feedback alone, they also consider how good reputation you have, how popular you're, and they also look on how many positive feedback they got too. I think an user who's reputable and get few negative feedbacks doesn't make them can't join signature campaign, I believe you're know which user I refer too.

Well companies can hire him as a manager only, but not act as an escrow. Which mean @julerz12 need to find an user who want to escrow the signature campaign funds, what do you think? it's fair enough considering he already make this mistake.

I think this case is quite different with Royse777 because he's not the one who has full control over the money, his friend is. While this case @julerz12 is the one who has full control over the money since it's belong to his non custodial wallet.

I understand @julerz12 isn't a scammer and he doesn't have any intention to scam, but he has a high risk of losing money and type 1 flag is applied here.


Here's the flag type 1 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3079

Let's up to everyone decide to oppose/support the flag.

I'm with you, difficult situations like this require a cooler brain temperature. I don't know julerz12 personally, but upon checking his past photos, he seems quite young at the moment and I'm sure running away with $5k won't be enough to sustain the rest of his life guilt-free.

Putting a red tag narrows julerz12's chances of fixing the problem and only encourages him to do something stupid considering this is big money as well from a revenue standpoint in my country. One thing I can remind anyone, I don't know what problem will befall me next. I can only sow good seeds to everyone all the time hoping they will help me when problem comes.

Not a very good start to the year, julerz12; I'm really sorry for you. I'm a parent too, and I can very well understand all your concerns about providing for a family.
But everything that has happened has already happened. Someone rightly said that you need to sit in a chair and collect your thoughts.
To proceed, one must be certain that this will not happen again in the future. Are you sure that you are an experienced Windows user? In any case, ask and think.
Are you using licensed Windows? How long have you had it? Do you allow the system to be updated regularly? Do you use your computer for anything other than work-related Internet browsing? Check everything: what browsers are worth, whether there is access to mail, and opening other people's letters. Such viruses are now being written that even Windows Defender does not recognize them as viruses. Remote Desktop, which might be named for another completely harmless process, could regularly monitor all of your activities. We just need to find the problem now.
Flash drives—are they all healthy?
In any case, I wish you strength. May your children always be proud of the honesty and correctness of their father.

First of all, big thank you to the few ones who managed to answer to this without quoting all the names (ie without triggering my notifications for nothing).

Now, to the topic: sorry BitcoinGirl.Club, but icopress is not wrong. The only reason I didn't leave red feedback was because I was sure other will do that. And while too much red feedback is useless in this case, at least one is a must. OK, when the missing money is paid back or resolved as debt with the involved people, then it can become neutral. But until then.. it has to be there. Else everybody will become campaign manager until the first big payment they can "lose" (and, why not, beyond). I am not telling that julerz12 is a thief (I don't know and it doesn't matter). What I'm telling that this kind of mishaps, if not handled, can give ideas to others.
Plus, indeed, he's also not wrong about the fact that red feedback doesn't stop people still do campaign management.

"What would you feel and do if you are in the same shoe of julerz12" <- this is bad approach. He did make a big mistake in handling money, and we don't talk about 5$ here. And while people get red tag for asking "no collateral loans" of 100$, he has lost ... 50x more.

But, with a bit of political skills, julerz12 can easily turn icopress' feedback to neutral. All he has to do is discuss with the campaigns he was handling and "convert" the missing money into debt with clear agreements about paying that back, and where that is not possible, maybe lend some money too for covering all this. Loans are neutral feedback. And then he can go on.
I mean, even some of the current big exchanges have lost users' money, but they've paid back soon enough and kept pretty good reputation. It can be done. Not cheap, but it can be done.

I see, like every time this kind of things happen, people go more for the drama than for being helpful.
Of course, the first impulse after reading this is the drama. But that was yesterday. Let's be helpful today. 5k is not the end of the world, at least one of the campaigns have shown understanding and I think that a rationale discussion can easily take place. So, with some more luck, it should not be that hard for julerz12 to "patch" a little this fuckup.

I don't think any kind of flag is appropriate for now to give to: @julerz12 against or support it, although one day it will be needed.

If it's true what happened and experienced by @julerz12 ended in an accident and disaster, not fraud, and he said it happened because of his own carelessness in placing the campaign funds he manages.

Besides both campaign owners have mentioned something in light of @julerz12.

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The campaign owner just wants to rectify the lost funds and what happened is certain what actually happened, there is no engineering later on or if it is known that the funds were not hacked or something that made the company owner angry.

I think in the case of @julerz12, the consequences and resolution are more to the point between @julerz12, YoMix and @[banned mixer], if they pardon or refund during the campaign contract, Of course we can all understand here and whatever decision the community takes regarding Julerz12 in the future, I think it is rational and reasonable, Flags, warnings and the like.

Because as far as I know hacking incidents can happen unexpectedly and at any time and that can happen to A and B, what is certain is that my hacking case has also experienced it, actually bitter, but bitterness must be swallowed by yourself, be it careless nature or the like.

Op sorry for your loss, geez $5000 gone into thin air that's so heart breaking. My guess is that your system has been compromised in some ways.
Since both parties involved are not willing to open a scam accusation thread against Op I think julerz12 should look for a way to convince them (yomix & coinomize.bix) or go into an agreement with them on how he's going to pay back if it's to find a real life job to pay back or if he's going to join signature campaign to payback the said money.
He should try as much as possible to sort this out if he wishes to keep his reputation because I have seen so many of Op bounty where he has escrowed altcoins that worth more than $5000 and he still did his work diligently.



I think you should try as much as possible to make payout of bounties and signature that has been completed so that you can have more time to face the issue in ground. Please do well to complete other work so that others won't start to think that you plan on doing something with the funds.

I'd feel very uncomfortable keeping it in a hot wallet. That's what I would do. It's not just hypothetical, I've handled a similar value in a certain Forkcoin, and the only thing that worked at the time was using a hot (Android) wallet. I only used it after sharing my concerns and the owner told me it's okay and he wouldn't blame me, but still I felt very uncomfortable with it. It took the guy a few days to tell me where to send his coins, and it was a huge relieve when I could finally get rid of them.

Using a hot wallet when there you have safer options is negligence (at best).

One of them didn't:
https://loyce.club/other/julerz12.png

As a campaign manager, you're being paid to deal with that little inconvenience. You could easily setup a system with offline signing: create the transaction in a watch-only hot wallet, copy the raw transaction to a system that doesn't have internet (and never bring it online!), verify all addresses, sign the message, and broadcast it from your other system.

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Allow me to copy the Trust system descriptions:
Negative feedback:
I don't think that's the case.

Newbie warning Flag:
I think this applies. Any knowledgeable forum user should agree using a hot wallet for funds you can't afford to lose is bad. I believe it's correct use of the Trust system (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5191802.0).
The only thing stopping me from Supporting the Flag is this:
I don't think OP, who actually posted the problem by himself, deserves a harsher treatment than the other guy.

This sounds doable, although it's a bit of a loophole. A loan still doesn't mean it really gets paid back, so there's still a chance they've lost their money.

I like this spirit :)

Those are all reasons to Support the Type 1 Newbie Warning Flag. It doesn't matter that it's not fraud. You call it an accident, I call using hot wallets for large funds an accident waiting to happen.

This looks unbelievable but is the reality of what is ongoing right away, being a campaign manager I don't think giving an excuse for weakness or negligence to secure the means which you handles your employers fund is appropriate and from this, the responsibility lies on the manager's hands to bear or face the consequences to his actions by taking responsibility for a repay except he companies wish to extend linient during the process by lifting off the burden on him after which he might have paid part of it, this is a thing of commitment, if you're not capable of being a campaign manager don't just dabble into it, as far as i know they need to have working experience while being under a manager that they might have learnt managing a campaign from, this is just a pity that a campa got paused even right before starting.

Feedback is bit harsh but it serves as a warning to others and lesson for him to learn from.

And if he's willing to repay back the money which lost from his hand then there are so many ways to do it aside from earning it back on the forum. Maybe one thing he needs right now is to show how serious he is on resolving this big issue.

Although this is unfortunate for julerz but he need to grow up with this and we don't want the same issue to happen on other company so I guess the feedback is fine, icopress will provably erase that feedback once julerz will find way to solve this.

Totally agree!

One thing is our money, if we lose it we can only regret it. But when it's other people's money, care must be 10x greater, because there's a lot at stake. It's our reputation and our money.

Losing someone's money is something very serious. And it makes us lose double money, other people's money and our money. You have to be very careful.





Although I think it is a bit exaggerated, at this moment, when the situation is still being addressed.

But I understand icopress. He is defending his working class. As a campaign manager, this type of situation can denigrate everyone's work, and make it difficult to attract new advertisers.

Now it's a matter of time, for things to normalize, if the OP keeps his word to refund all the money.

I believe it is crucial to base our decisions on whether someone deserves a negative tag on his profile on verifiable facts, rather than allowing personal emotions to play a role. These emotions or personal beliefs can be validly discussed, but should not be the basis for our judgment. This approach is the only way to ensure that the Trust system is fair and impartial to all members, rather than allowing personal affection to create a double standard in our decision making.

Given that there is at least one party who has been damaged (financially) and holds the OP responsible for the missing funds (which, in my view, is a reasonable position), it would be callous not to side with them, as they are the clear victims in this situation. Whether the missing funds were the result of hacking or the OP's deliberate actions, we don't have enough evidence to conclude either point at this time, these facts remain unchanged.



Now, I don't think that julerz12 had any intentions of stealing the funds for personal gain (it's just my personal opinion though and I could be wrong), and I feel really bad that he's in this tough spot. Nevertheless, regardless of his intent, he still bears a personal responsibility as a bounty manager and an escrow and, in my opinion, must accept the consequences of his negligence. The only path for redemption and vindication for him is to collaborate with the companies that entrusted him with their funds, in order to repay the debts. In doing so, he can demonstrate accountability, and eventually earn back the trust of the community.

For me, everything will depend on how events unfold from now on, if he collaborates and starts a repayment plan I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. If not, I'll support the flag and change the tag.

Most times in these cases we have seen people hide and yet we are seeing him all the time responding and showing his face.

It's just now that I saw this from the thread by Woodie - Campaign managers acting as Escrow (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5433651.0)

It is unfortunate what happened to you, julerz12. It's careless to use a hot wallet for storing significant funds, and I hope you can recover from this setback and repay what is needed.

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I know someone who got hacked automatically transferred the balance in his MetaMask to another wallet. With what happened to you OP, I'm now aware that it could happen with Electrum as well. It would be better to wipe your devices. It might not be the only one infected.

It's not Electrum's fault. It's the way you use your wallet and computer.
There are many ways to be hacked and you have to be aware of all of them. And try to protect yourself as best you can.

It seems like you are implying that the Electrum wallet software may have some security issues, however there are no such indications at this time. There are probably millions of Electrum users worldwide, and if there were any security issue with any version of the software, it would have likely garnered significant attention and be widely talked about on the internet by now. Moreover, Electrum's open-source nature allows for many independent developers to rigorously inspect each new version after its release, ensuring the software's security.

Even assuming the OP's story is true, there are many possible ways someone could steal his coins. For example, the OP could have left his computer unlocked while he was gone. He could have been infected with malware at any point over the course of many months and even years before he created his new wallet, or the thief could have used a keylogger or clipboard malware to steal the seed phrase. The OP also said that he doesn't use any AV other than the standard windows defender, which is also a big security risk and a lapse in judgment.

Electrum has a long history of vulnerabilities ( including indirect vulnerabilities ) and many time this wallet got hacked. As you know, because is a lite bitcoin wallet, it needs to connect to servers, If your wallet connects to the network via malicious severs, your money get lost! For these that are new in this, you can find on the internet many attempts and successful attacks against Electrum, and many funds and many funds were stolen. In my opinion, Electrum was and is, the most attacked Bitcoin wallet. You should not understanding me wrong ( I'm using Electrum) but Electrum attracts the hackers (advantages and disadvantages), therfore increased vigilance is always necessary when you use a lite wallet ( and not only! ). Also the most attacks occured  after an update (this is well known thing)

Back in the past, around 2015, my entire system was hacked including the work station, six mining rigs, router, mail account and also Cryptsy account.
The  attackers had full control for several days, until I realized what was happening. They withdrew all the funds on the same day. In that hack I lost around 110k WhiteCoin, 334k DGB, 1300 Dash ( former DarkCoin), 1002 LTC and many other alts .. My BTC was stored on BTC-e exchange ( this account wasn't compromised because on this one the log credentials were stored offline - it was my first exchange which I used).
On Cryptsy exchange were stored around  7 mil Doge and some other alts. All of these were converted in BTC and all of them have been retreated on the attacker BTC address.

Many of you are new in this cryptoworld, even if you are active here on forum for few years...that doesn't mean anything! You should know that everyone is susceptible to being hacked, no matter what's your rank, name, theoretical knowledge etc.. Of course  we must to ensure the maximum security measures but even that it could happen. This is not the gamming world!!  THIS IS CRYPTO!

One mistake and you lose everything without hope for a second chance!
I saw many of you blaming Julerz because o his mistake!! OK! you could do that but It's not OK. Humans make mistakes. It's saddly of course but we can tolerate this. Are we HUMANS?!

I saw many of you with same bussiness like Julerz, blaming him for this mistake.. It's not OK!
Competition is good, but not when someone is knocked down! That fact reveals how weak "we" are.
On this forum, people should help each other especially when such problems arise!
There is room for everyone ( if they are honest of course).

Yesterday was hacked Julerz tomorrow it could be one of you.. You are not a super human!! Nor even Dashjr was a super human! And he is not a "nobody" !! A Bitcoin Core Developer it can be hacked even his funds were stored on a cold wallet!!  According to the judgment of some, Luke should not be anymore a Bitcoin Developer ( even he lost his own funds) right?

Accepting that it was a hack, and also Julerz will manage how to return the stolen funds back to the owners,  I'll not support any red tag !!!

you can see here in his official service thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2522224.0) how many campaigns julerz12 has already led and also successfully completed and there were also some BTC campaigns also in it
i now ask myself, he has always acted so grossly negligent and all his funds on a hot wallet on his pc always stored?
if so, then he has until last sunday still had luck and yesterday it was then unfortunately so far and he was allegedly 'hacked'...
and as icopress already wrote, i can't understand how you can run a campaign without having at least double secured the funds and built up reserves to compensate a sudden loss as good and as fast as possible again.
i don't want to judge if he was really hacked or if he planned it all somehow, but you can see what a lot of pressure is on a bounty manager when he runs a signature campaign... no matter if for 1-2 weeks or over several months
therefore great respect to all renowned bm's here from the forum and at the same time now also the hint to all best asap to send your funds for your participants on a hardwallet...

just my 2 sats

Feels sad about your lose Julerz this mistake really makes a hard time to recover its includes the funds, trust and reputation because of this, its time to make a format with your PC I guess you just get a phishing, or malware attack before and the hacker just waiting for your funds to get in, ideal really use the hardware wallet and other security features of the electrum, there's no safe in the internet its not just only for julerz to other people still using the hot wallet this serves too as information to invest to your security.

I would agree with you, but unfortunately, YoMix doesn't think in that direction. I think he should get a chance to pay off the debt by working until he eventually collects the entire amount. they will allocate new funds for the manager, while at the same time, julerz's reputation will completely sink. I believe that everyone deserves a second chance.

Since I think you have reasonable on positions on many topics, I would be interested in your opinion on "bounty managers red tagging other bounty managers". Whether or not someone is rightfully in that position to do so (DT1 , DT2), most people probably won't deny the fact that there is an additional incentive for a red tag from members of a specific group who are in competition with each other. Taking into account that @julerz12 did apparently rake in some very well paying campaigns that drew a lot of attention from many members of this forum, I am not that surprised that the red tag comes from a bounty manager.

I did expect @Hhampuz to actually do what he did: not red tag and instead offer his service to keep damage to the forum's reputation at a minimum. @icopress went for it and pulled the trigger.

Again, @icopress is in the position to do so, but when I were running a car dealership and fucked up and would have to go to court, I'd probably feel more comfortable if the judge wasn't owning a competing car dealership around the corner of mine. In fact, the judge would probably be rejected because of bias right away. This does not mean that the judge would necessarily make a bad or unfair judgment, but to prevent bias and false incentive discussions from coming up, it is just correct to actually not let that judge have any influence about the outcome of such a court case.

All those who could have given a red tag but didn't and are also not bounty managers actually acted the way I personally thought is the right one for the moment. This is not to say that the tag could be turned into red by @Poker Player, it absolutely could and should. But even though I expected @icopress to go for such a move, I am not sure that was the appropriate action to take here.

I am trying to wrap my head around how exactly did you manage to get hacked so quickly.

Certainly it was not from a vulnerability in the Electrum wallet. Did you use a weak password or even no password at all?

What else was running on your Windows PC?

[exactly the reason why I do not store any funds on Windows (and Mac) and will never ever do that.]

IMO. Neutral tags in trust are absolutely correct as trust system is about to describe risks of financial interactions with an exact person. No one still knows how funds were lost so there is a risk of recurrence of the same situation and potential partners should be aware of that. It is not about blaming julerz12, it is about informing others. julerz12 probably should use a respected third party for escrow while managing future campaigns to decrease possible risks.

As about red tags. I can't say that they are incorrect. We have a situation with a known damage. But the situation is going on and julerz12 expressed his intention to solve the problem and return what lost. IMO while there are negotiations between the sides and while julerz12 keeps repaying his debts it is too eary to draw a final conclusion. We can leave a negative reviw any time, so why to hurry? Do we expect any new problems at the moment or in the nearest future? I don't think so. Any julerz12's activity will be carefully watched for long long time so there is not too much risk that a potential partner of julerz12 woun't read neutral tags about this situation and nobody will warn about it. So IMO there's no need in red tags while maintaining the current state of affairs.

Right now is not about of a Electrum code vulnerability like in the past ( see CVE-2018-1000022
CVE-2018-6353) it's about off Electrum "ecosystem" itself .. users can be tricked quite easily when they make an update. That's why  it must be acted with maximum vigilance!

Weak or strong password - it doesn't matter when the hackers are in full control of wallet. The question is how they got that access,  fake update, keylogger, etc. Knowing this, it will prevent other users to get tricked.

Red tag by icopress is fine everyone, he has all the right to make that judgment, kindly stop bickering about it.


Yes. It is pretty quick, the funds from Yo!Mix came in on 2023-01-09 18:51 (https://blockstream.info/tx/b7d7c5c5516c605bf76107d4f8984b581632df845ad2fceaf4dcfe788943620e) and the whole Electrum wallet got drained on Date: 2023-01-09 21:35 (https://blockstream.info/tx/2793ed8971ca14ed86fb510db9996dd37e4de6793c643b534c5feada898e9a61)

My best guess is the hacker was somehow able to get my password to the wallet and transfer the funds. Probably from a keylogger which I haven't found yet (currently scanning my system).
The only apps that were running at the time were Adobe Photoshop, Telegram, Discord, and Google Chrome. Electrum wasn't even online until around 23:00 (midnight) where I immediately opened it after got notified by Coinomize team that the funds were transferred.

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Also, just for everyone's info.
I am currently managing this bounty campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5433758) wherein $4,000 USDT is (again) in my care, sitting on my Ledger wallet (Address (https://bscscan.com/address/0x5e0668b2aa5836aa3ce67827e9e8d267d2f42d73))
I have already contacted several escrows including Hhampuz in hopes of being able to transfer these funds to them to act as a new official escrow.

I have also already contacted Coinomize and Yo!Mix so I can partially pay out my debts to them caused by the stolen funds. It isn't much but I hope they'll appreciate it. It's the start of many, I promise.

Note: I was not aware the project team had already transferred the funds, all the negotiations between me and this project team were done weeks ago before the events of today.

https://i.ibb.co/5K2c2DF/Screenshot-1.png (https://ibb.co/HhXgXvd)

If you check julerz12's trust lists, the only user that doesn't trust him is icopress. Probably there were other incidents that led icopress to such conclusions. But as for the negative tag, it will not affect the decision of the managers in any way, in case julerz12 decides to participate in the subscription company. It's just that all managers are already aware of what happened, and one way or another, only they decide whether to accept this user or not. It has already been said many times that a negative mark can easily change in the event of a positive outcome. In the end, this is only a minimum compared to what those who actually lost money experienced. After all, everyone will agree that other people's money can never be compared with their own. And julerz12 lost other people's money, which one hurts more?

that's what is expected, I'm sure you and several projects that are in a relationship have done good communication.
whether or not the collaboration continues, when you have completed your responsibilities. then everything will be done.
This incident will certainly disrupt your business. but I hope you and your family will always get support. I hope you have more luck.

Whatever happened, should not have happened. It is sad from the Campaign manager's point of view as he is in a difficult position to tell that he is speaking the truth and also from the campaigns as both companies will find themselves in such an awkward situation that they allocated funds for marketing but they are all gone before any marketing could be done.


To be very true, i am feeling anxious as most people use Electrum on the computer and trust it that our funds are safe. What else can we use if we do not have a hardware wallet?

Stop using Google Chrome and use Firefox instead. There is suspicion that Google Chrome likely is compromised these days. Stop using it, uninstall it from your device at the moment. Firefox and Tor browsers are better. If you don't use Google Chrome, you shouldn't use Brave browser too.

It is your good move until the dust settles.

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I notice that you did not change your forum account password. Why not?

And if you use a captcha bypass code, please change it to a new code too.

Changing them all now and after you make sure your device is clean, changing them all one more time.

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I got your invitation to work with you in some projects and I appreciated it a lot so it is very bad for me to see this accident. Good luck and get well soon julerz12.

I have been watching this drama since last night and I don't really want to blame OP for his mistake because everyone makes mistakes and sometimes it can ruin our entire progress which took years to build but as everyone said you holds the responsibility of paying it back to the company that is the only way to prove your not guilty.

Sometimes everything works against us and that's the life so don't lose your heart and think what you can do further and about your system I think its better to take back-up and flash the OS as soon as possible instead of looking for clipboard malware or something, and move whatever funds and any sensitive information stored should be moved to a new wallet and document.to ensure its safety.

A separate device or a linux pc with just your wallet and no other BS installed should do. Just dont use that device for any other thing.
Our security is in our hands, if we are reckless enough even the hardware wallet can get drained :P

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I assume OP was/is using the same windows PC for browsing, downloading stuffs, holding funds, etc. which is not recommended at all. Too many malwares across the internet (smarter than your antivirus), you click a simple link and wont even know what problems are waiting for you ahead.

For the last six months, in the mempool, I see approximately the same information about transaction fees, so I'm not sure that we are talking about big savings. In addition, when processing weekly payments, I very often manually significantly increase transaction costs so that users can immediately manage their funds.


It's a delusion. I, like other managers, have repeatedly accepted users with red tags into the campaign, especially when the user has more green tags than red tags (we are not talking about tags associated with outright fraud). No self-respecting manager will remove high quality posters from a campaign just because they got a red tag, this rule is more like a deterrent factor for those accounts that generate spam (as far as I remember, you also participated in the signature campaign when you had a red tag ). As for me, I will immediately remove my red tag as soon as one of the members of the DT tags julerz12.

Hey man! I don't understand you. You leaving or removing a tag shouldn't depend on what other people do. It should depend on your criteria. Moreover, you are DT2, so I don't know what you are talking about.

I've left him a neutral tag but I think a negative is acceptable. He himself has acknowledged that.

I meant that I didn't think having a few red tags would help matters.  ;)

I think that


this reasoning also makes sense. If we want to keep a slight sense of fairness and equality, than this doesn't quite add up.

I would at least given him a couple of days to come forward with a reimbursement plan. You could leave a neutral tag and still turn it into red when after a week or two there is zero or irrelevant action being taken. And still, a manager tagging a manager comes with a bitter taste especially when nobody else of the more neutral DT members decided to pull the trigger. @icopress isn't any bad as a manager because he left a red tag, not at all. In fact he does a good job, but the red tag after less than half a day(?) of the incident comes across as biased.  

I can understand this as julerz12 was doing the same, using the computer with electrum installed and at the same time using it for other purposes too. Most of us do that, don't we?

Anyways, what if we uninstall the electrum wallet from the PC and install it again if we want to send the funds? We can still receive funds if the wallet is not installed on the computer. (for those who do not have a spare computer)

2nd option, use a password-protected wallet file, Malware can't decode the code, isn't ?

Thanks for the tips. I have no other reason for using Google Chrome other than being used to it since I started working online way before I entered crypto-space. I guess it never crossed my mind how vulnerable I am using it.

Thanks, I just changed it right after I made a full scan of my current system. 
A bunch of wacky scripts were found by my current AV, forgot the names 'cause I just immediately let the AV settle it. I will now wipe my system and install a new one.

Unfortunately Yes. While I have another device, it's a Chromebook that's used by my wife. It doesn't necessarily support the Apps I required to run the bounty campaign management service. So I'm stuck with my one and only PC.

I hope that is not the case, otherwise all of the good practices and safety tips that have been mentioned repeatedly by members here would be in vain.


Both of your tips are equally bad. Let's assume that your system is infected with malware at some point, it can be difficult to know the extent of the damage it may cause. For example, the malware could potentially access and alter the contents of your clipboard, or even include a keylogger to record your keystrokes. This means that if you have ever copied or typed your password or seed phrase while the malware was present on your system, hackers may be able to gain access to your coins. Uninstalling the wallet or adding a password will have ZERO impact on protecting your coins.

Everything is possible as long as the system is connected to the internet. So you can't actually protected your wallet by just putting a password.
The only way I can possibly think of right now is that Op should try to buy a new laptop one that has never been connected to the internet before or if it has he should wipe everything from the system and install a new Os. After which he should install his wallet and try as much as possible not to ever use the system for any other activities such as surfing the internet.
That will definitely prevent the system from being infested with malware.

It's unfortunate that you have to resort to wiping your system clean. Conducting a comprehensive forensic examination of your system would be extremely beneficial in identifying the cause of this issue. Not only could this information assist you in recovering your funds, but it could also serve as an informative resource for other members of the community to avoid similar incidents in the future.


Even when utilizing a single device, there are still various options available to ensure the security of your assets. One option is to set up a dual boot system, another is to use a Live OS from a USB drive or other external media, and as a final alternative, you can also consider installing free virtual PC software and use a secondary OS that way.

That's true you shouldn't format it without proper examination, you must know what really happened. Otherwise even with a new PC or reformatted PC you are still at risk as before, you still don't know which door you have left open for the hackers.

By the way reformatting is also not a final solution, it has been reported that there are malwares that can survive disk format and OS reinstalls

Moonbounce is a persistent malware that can survive drive formats and OS reinstalls (https://www.ghacks.net/2022/01/25/moonbounce-is-a-persistent-malware-that-can-survive-drive-formats-and-os-reinstalls/)

Keep your pc for your daily non essential work but don't use it for any crypto transactions.

Op made a terrible mistake which I hope others will not repeat. There are certain people you take seriously on the forum or Cryptospace (who are helping to protect it behind the scene) even though they are not popular as they don't actually like being popular.  We are surrounded by enemies who hate this space and want to conquer it. Members are impenetrable and can't be successful attacked because of a Shield but if any mishaves or mistreat the ones protecting them, their shield may be weakened. Believe this if you want to last on this space and continue to take care of your family. . Sorry for your lose.
By the way, I notice you believe in GOD and I hope you understand the spiritual world exist. That's part of where I'm assigned. It's a waste of time and resources to fight only the physical battle. Once you are defeated in the spirit it's over. So  we need people on the forum fighting in both existence. Let's considered them too.
If you need proof to know whether I'm telling the truth, you will get it. You are free to doubt me without the proof

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 If a fish is ungrateful to the water it lives in the water would vomit the fish.

Fair enough, I would like to see how it develops. Especially I would like to observe in any of your campaign when you have spot and OP applies then your willingness of accepting OP.

https://i.ibb.co/dMz4BKH/flag.png

Hopefully you don't mind the yellow warning too.

I don't call it happily accepting but to accept because arguing is not going to help him. I see a surrender there because his voice are weak now. I don't call it acknowledgment for real. Stop being JollyGood (sorry man JG, no mean to discredit you, you built up your own identity). Give the man a fair chance.

I am sorry, maybe my responses are not diplomatic like many others but I like straight talk. The forum do not need policemen and a crime bureau to spy others all the time.

Although your Antivirus settles the wacky scripts, but they usually maintain the history of which scripts or malware they blocked etc. If you can show them to the public, maybe someone can advise what were the scripts and what damage they can do. Though you have been already affected but it may be helpful for other user's awareness.

By the way it's really concerning if the malware / Scripts can hack anyone's wallet and leave you empty handed. Its seems that hardware wallets will become a necessity if you want to store your crypto safely.

First suggestion for OP is to think about installing Linux OS on his computer instead of using wInd0wS, and always use ledger wallet connected with Electrum in future.
Linux is much safer if used correctly and attack surface is much less, but even dual boot (win/linux) would be acceptable solution.
Than I would like to see a realistic plan posted by him, explaining how exactly he is going to pay money back to companies that paid him.
I don't know if that is going to be borrowing money from people he trusts, or selling his stuff, but this would be the only way towards fixing his reputation.

That is a good suggestion. Linux is a more secure operating system than Windows, and using it in conjunction with a hardware wallet can provide an added layer of security for your crypto holdings. Linux is less susceptible to malware and other types of malicious software, as it has a smaller market share than Windows, and thus is less of a target for attackers.

But I think that "if used correctly" is also an important part of your statement. If you do not know what you are doing and try to use Linux, it can be just as dangerous as using Windows!


@julerz12, since you mentioned Adobe Photoshop just a friendly reminder, using software obtained from unofficial sources like warez or cracked versions may put your computer at risk of malware infection, which can lead to issues like the ones you are facing. This also includes illegal versions of the Windows system and various "activators" available online. It is always best to acquire software through legitimate means to keep your computer safe and ensure that the software you are using is free from any harmful code.

Sorry to hear about your loss, I hope you are able to recover the funds and carry on with your business.

Everybody seems to want to jump to the conclusion that your system was hacked, or you suffered due to some malware or virus, but it's been my experience that most of the time these things are a result of carelessness.  I'm not convinced that you've been hacked or infected with malware.

You said you wrote down the seed phrase in your personal notebook, correct?  Did you also write the seed phrase for your hardware wallet in the same notebook?  How securely is that notebook stored?  Did you leave it out somewhere where someone could have seen it?  You seem to be confident that the funds in your Ledger wallet are safe, how can you be so sure?  You mentioned that you only have alts stored in the Ledger, it may be just a matter of time before the thief finds those accounts too.

Until you can answer the question of how this happened to your hot Electrum wallet, you should assume that all your seed phrases and all your funds are compromised.

Good luck.

P.S.  Some people will tell you to stop using Windows...  I don't care what you use for an operating system, no OS will save you from yourself.

Use a Linux system, but you will have to install the applications yourself from the package manager, and only use portable apps if you verified the release or trust the vendor.

The chances of stock malware breaking into an X Windows desktop on Linux is nil, because they're all written for Windows. You would have to be specifically targeted like Dashjr was in order to be at risk.

But whatever you do, do not install WINE with Electrum, or at the very least, disable or uninstall WINE, as it enables running Windows programs on Linux including malware. Not that many hackers are aware of that, but still.

Many of us do watch this thread, this thing can happen to all of us, but so far OP has all the things that need to be done he created a thread on what happened, and he reaches out to the developers of the projects he is managing, he opened himself to criticism, he offers a plan on the payment of the stolen fund, he allows to get tagged.
All he wants is to get back on his feet, so let's give him a chance to redeem himself, he deserves it he worked his way to become a trusted manager for five years.

After what happened to OP, I spent the whole night checking my PC since I'm also using Electrum to download additional anti-virus and checked all unused applications, OP opened our eyes to the fact that we must have a conscious effort to safeguard our system.

If you're still doing analysis, to understand where the hacker could have entered, I recommend that you don't just look at the programs you have installed and used.

Check what files you downloaded in the last 3 months.
Check links that you eventually received via email and that you accessed in the last 3 months.

And if for some reason you used some non-genuine program, that could have been a problem.
I remember that nowadays, it is easy and cheap to get original programs.
If you need help finding them, or if you want me to buy them for you, let me know. I would be delighted to be able to help.

Wow, very sad to hear what happened to you, OP.
I don't beleive that you are a malicious actor and tried to scam someone.
I'll hope for DT to react in a moderate manner and don't destroy your account. We won't gain an advantage if DT does so.
The most beneficial way: next time, you should give the campaign money to a trusted escrow and the trusted escrow should handle payments.
By doing so, you could increase your reputation again.  :)

Since hacks are always responsible for speculations and hot takes, a few people here have wrongfully blamed Electrum to be insecure.
It's just wrong!
Electrum isn't insecure as it's open source and one of the most famous Bitcoin wallets. Open source and famous means, coders dedicated to Blockchain will review it frequently.
As always let's locate the problem: the person in front of the screen.
It might be unfortunate but somewhere you might have screwed up. We don't know where, it could be due to a download from a wrong site, you might have downloaded another app infecting your device, let your device open and someone got access to it or something else.
But not because Electrum is insecure.

tl;dr: blaming Electrum to be insecure because you got hacked is like blaming Bitcoin to be insecure because you've lost your private key. It's BULLSHIT.  :) :)
thanks for coming to my TED talk.  :)


But one question:
Why so much funds were held on your wallet? 5k USD are a lot of money, enough for several weeks of payouts?
Normally, allocations are much smaller, lasting for around 4 weeks, not more?
Or am I just having a wrong impression?
I'm not Bounty Manager of course.  :D


Best wishes for your recovery.  :)

I do not have any doubts that you were hacked if you were using windows. It is all too easy for the OS to be hacked. All it takes is one file, or one malicious website, to be infected with something that could render your system completely compromised. If you are a daily internet user and you rely on nothing but windows defender, do no system monitoring and regularly download files, then you are likely to be hacked. Unfortunately in this day and age there is not enough information on the forefront to keep you sufficiently protected and even the most vigilant users can still be targeted.

Thanks for the tips. I'll look into it.

That's one scary malware. Thanks for the info.

That notebook is totally secure, no one else but myself knows where it is within our home. I'm 100% sure no one else has access to it. So those seed phrases are secure.
As I've previously mentioned in this thread, the blame was on me for having a crappy system that I've been using for a long time without a care for its security.

Thanks for the tips. I'll make sure to remember this.

Yes. At the very least, some are made aware (again) that this incident could possibly happen to anyone. Man, I only wish I was not made an example though, too late.

All of those funds are only for 1-week worth of signature campaign. It just became a big amount as the number of participants on Yo!Mix was suppose to be 40 per week. 10 for Coinomize.

Yes. I've just installed a clean windows OS and currently looking a way to dual boot Linux on it.

My plan is simple.
As I've previously mentioned on this thread, I've got a motorbike, probably cost around $1,000 if I sell it which I will. That should cover the lost funds for Coinomize ($1,000). Although it might take a while for it to get sold so I'll start sending whatever amount I can gather for now.
Also, a portion of my upcoming bounty management fees will be used to pay these debts that I now owe to Coinomize and Yo!Mix. For starters, I just launched another campaign yesterday for which I was paid $400 to manage it for 4-weeks (here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5433758)); I've already informed both project teams (Coinomize & Yo!Mix) that they'll be refunded with $150 each for now. I still need $100 for my family's expenses which isn't much but we will try and make do for the rest of the month.
Any means of additional income I get, a portion of it will be sent to these project teams. Signature payouts, management fees, etc.

The $320 BTC management fee from Yo!Mix that they've also sent upfront prior to the incident will also be returned to them today.
I just need both parties to confirm the BTC addresses they've given (through private messages) here on this thread so the whole community would know that I'm sending out refunds to correct wallet addresses and not to just some random wallet address that I made up.

After re-reading the posts and seeing this one, I +1 this heavily. Lack of personal security does not mean that the software that you were using on a compromised system is insecure. If software was flawed, it'd affect everyone. If it is only your lack of security that caused loss, the software or technology is definitely not to blame.

At the moment the flag is no longer visible, and I believe that with the attitude of julerz12, who not only has not hidden at any time, but has given detailed answers and plans to start right away a repayment plan, his reputation will not be very damaged. As long as things go the way they seem to be going.

These few days must be very exhausting for you and your family, I can only imagine. It is very clear that this is an unfortunate incident that can happen to any one of us, this is a learning experience not just for you but for the rest of us who have not taken any proper security measures to safeguard and protect our devices.
I have seen your hard work in this forum as a bm so I know you will keep every promise you have made to the victims of this unfortunate hack.
I think you have given enough explanation about the incident and your plan to repay the lost funds that everyone should already get it by now.
With continous hardwork everything will be back to normal in no time, keep doing what you do bro.

Coinomize:
Great Thanks ;)

BTC Address: 17fd4FLbj7rQCCPhRo3yqdZQPtKggs7mqc

Confirmed.

God, what are we talking about? Guilty or not? I asked the OP if he was an advanced computer user (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5433643.msg61571536#msg61571536) . According to all the responses, julerz12 does not understand the entire concept of network security. And unfortunately, you can feel sorry for him, but knowing his level of attitude toward other people's funds, I would not trust him in the future.
Using Windows for surfing and keeping money on a shared computer is just careless. It doesn't matter that you were the only user; you need to separate your general life from your financial one. A lot of people think, like, "This won't happen to me." But, alas, it's only a matter of time.


I only recently read another article about the  RAT (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434026.msg61576518#msg61576518), despite recalling it yesterday; a hacker can wait for a convenient time, and that time has come. Speaking of  RAT (https://www.minitool.com/backup-tips/remote-access-trojan.html), this is not an unfounded opinion; it is enough to download a supposedly useful plugin for Photoshop, and that's it; you are already in sight, thinking that you downloaded from the right source.


verily

Maybe I was going to be hacked, or maybe not. I was trying to create a wallet address using electrum. I entered everything, and when I tried to click on Accept the TOS, My system got frozen. I could move the mouse pointer but could not click anywhere. Then I turned off my system. I was aware of your issue. That's why I was afraid.

Appreciated with your responsibility refunding Coinomize team with $1,000 after selling motorbike, right now left with current campaign and seems heavy because above $4,000 and you need find way could be loan collateral or looking for other alternative how to refund all assets hacked.

There are not accepted reason when talking our assets hacked and loss from responsibility, I hope you can recover all assets loss and seems current active campaign now helped well due your promote altcoin bounties campaign. In Bitcointalk forum have several board given loan service, don't take care about how much interest have to pay but you need resolve as soon possible to get your reputation.

I feels so sorry about every single thing that just happened and we can't apportion blames to him now, after I finished reading lots of comments and i found out op is totally free, though is his fault for not being careful at the moment, he is not a scammer, if not you wouldn't have found him still here replying messages and also accepted to pay back, for that he also offered to sell his motorbike to continue some payments.
I am a lady, not just a lady but a mother, I bear and understand the kind of frustration Op would be now or how his body system would be reacting presently, with such situation I don't even know if he can barely have good food since the hack till this very moment. From my investigations he has been managing bounties for long and have no bad records, so all I plead from everyone is to give him a chance to try his best to make sure he will work harder to clear all the money.

Sorry sir.

Don't just say it, as one of the security measures, you truly need to learn Linux if you are involved in cryptocurrencies. It's not that hard. But if you really need to run Windows, you can run it as a VM within your Linux OS. It's much safer.

I would never use Windows + Chrome/Firefox for my exchange/banking/Bitcoin needs, it's just a security hole, and a hack/malware waiting to happen. Plus you said you use Windows' Defender. I hope you don't watch porn in that PC.

I think that kind of observation is a bit radical!

Regardless of the system used, security begins with user behavior. If the person has a bad behavior, he is subject to problems, regardless of the system he has. It is true that one or another system can make it difficult to have problems, but they are not infallible.

Safety is always related to the behavior that the person has!

Yes. Which is why I vouch to change my behavior. Being so careless got me into these bad circumstances and it sucks.
Not only that I now have a constant headache, and I could barely sleep thinking over and over again how I fucked up, I lost what little reputation I had in this forum.
So, never again. I'd do whatever it takes to keep what little crypto I have left safe.

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Just some thoughts. Even though this happened very early of freaking 2023, I still have high hopes everything will be ok since I see some members in this forum giving me encouragement (though I know most still doubt me for what happened) it does ease the pain a little.

Anyways here some update,

Yo!Mix: $320 management fee returned + $150 initial refund for the lost funds: https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/transactions/btc/bdae89f63a82d45cde5412b6c9dd63802a999cb389a3da51adb63d289842c579
Coinomize: $150 initial refund for the lost funds: https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/transactions/btc/246520fe68abe0439c1ea10f8cb17c1f8ff4699fe78e2044102427a637af84e5

I'm sorry to say, but looks like you guys are all getting conned.

Alt-coin address in OPs profile: 0x5e0668b2aa5836aa3ce67827e9e8d267d2f42d73
https://i.imgur.com/jj7eJ6Z.png


Let's see, a 4000 BUSD (BSC-USD) balance. Hm.
https://i.imgur.com/lTD7Svl.png


Oh Look. Timing also corresponds to the 'hack'.
https://i.imgur.com/2vmXPtx.png


I only registered to post this after seeing a 'How to keep Electrum safe' post referenced elsewhere. I have no stakes here and this doesn't really concern me.
But y'all really need to pay attention when you're getting conned.

See:

You should get all the facts before making an accusation.

He mentioned the $4k earlier from being for a bounty campaign that he is managing/going to manage. He's currently seeking for an escrow to hold/distribute said funds so I doubt this is some masterplan of stealing the $4k from Yo!Mix..

Perhaps. Awfully interesting coincidence timing-wise though.
I also made a mistake. It isn't BUSD - It's USDT (Binance Peg).

It's from here- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5433758
julerz12 already have mentioned about this.

Stop pretending to be a newbie.

Everything have been made public by @julerz12 earlier:

That campaign has been scheduled to run weeks ago. I've been in communication with that project team for weeks.

https://i.imgur.com/2Afwm6Z.png

It just so happened that they have sent me $4,400 in USDT (BEP20) ($4,000 for the bounty pool and $400 for 4-week campaign management) [TXID] (https://bscscan.com/tx/0x845cf2ebe57bb4a8425dee38348fd6ade922fd071a79c5af5393cb83d0ff458b) few hours after what happened with the Electrum wallet.

Why would I take $5,000 and put it again on a bounty campaign wherein all that funds are just going to be distributed to all who participated in it  ::) I tell you now, I'm no Santa.

I believe "Juler12" truly understand how this forum works, and as such won't dare to trade his reputation of many years for mere $5000, even when I heard him said that amount is equally a big sum of many in Philippines where he came from. Because I have been reading meaning into every statement of his ever since this allegation came up, and with this new update of his taking steps into paying back the lost fund to his clients, really shows that he is innocent and deserves a second chance to continue doing what he knows how to do best on this forum until his dept is fully paid to the last penny.

NOTE:
So my advice to Sir "Juler12" is that this should be a lesson to you, and from next time, security should be your top most priority when handling clients funds.

Don't give up, the year is too early to fail.

https://i.ibb.co/Z12hddV/Polish-20230111-183759800.jpg (https://ibb.co/NnTLxxs)

You also need to pay attention to what you're posting because you are not reading the whole story if you happen to back read, do not put malice and be fair you'll get the whole picture, you will not see manipulation or suspect something is wrong, I guess you missed a lot because you're trying to look for loopholes ::).

You might be right that you have been hacked. But I am confused as I have seen a lot of scammers who were reputed on the forum also few of them was managing bounty campaign, was on the list of most trusted user, and most earned merit list. Also, they had repaid loans to several lenders but once they receive higher than their expectations they just scammed and left the forum. In this case, it is hard to trust you. But all will be changed if you repay the hacked amount from which you will earn or from the savings you have.

Need transparent information from  OP about BSC address linked with Bitcointalk profile account, check here and I have open on BSC Network there are having about $4,000 with USDT stable coin and OP having about 2,000,000,000 Moonbet coins and values about $3,800 with current price at Bitmart.

Lets waiting respond from OP about this address seems not hack and there are have enough money refund for last signature campaign service as Yomix campaign. Need positive mindset about is right OP address or other address have linked with OP Bitcointalk account.

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https://i.imgur.com/FMW153t.png

Values assets of OP linked address

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https://i.imgur.com/j2AGOjf.png

I bet he felt real smart for some moments there  ::)


If the moonbet tokens can be liquidated and they are not a part of some other campaign or business, then julerz should definitely be obligated to liquidate them with no excuse otherwise, as consequence for not maintaining an adequate level of personal security. As a campaign manager who manages others' funds, part of your job description is being an escrow. A part of being an escrow includes maintaining an adequate cybersecurity level, at minimum to the level where someone can't just send money out of your Electrum, as has happened here.

If the hack is legitimate, there should not definitely not be any pity here. There is way to much of it when the only reason this is possible in the first place is carelessness, ignorance and recklessness toward security.

This leads me to ask julerz; Can the moonbet tokens be sold to cover the loss and if not, why?

You realize those tokens aren't mine right?
Those were for the bounty campaign's bounty pool. Moonbet and Undeads.
Moonbet campaign has already ended but I am still finalizing its spreadsheet for the rewards distribution, that's why the tokens are still sitting on my ledger.
Undeads just started this week.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5427787 (Still finalizing, haven't distributed the rewards yet) ($4,000 worth of MBET tokens)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5433758 (Just ran, new campaign) ($4,000 worth of USDT)

Yes, they are.

Thanks for clearly update and I don't judge you but little misunderstanding above conversation due have question with your wallet address, now have been clearly with all assets there for Bounties Campaign participants and I hope you can sent as soon possible for Moonbet campaign have been ended last few days.

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I am sorry to heard with your loss and don't give up, "after darkness will have lightness one day later"

There was an "if" before that quote.
In this case though, I guess it is fine.
My next question is, what steps have you taken since to improve your security levels, or what steps are you planning to take? Do you need help or have you done research to create a plan? Also what have you done to mitigate the existing attack? If you were hacked/compromised it is very likely that you are still compromised. I am intrigued to read more details.

But isn't choosing the best technical approach for securing your system also part of human behavior? In Bitcoin, we like to say "Be your own Bank", and that we should take absolute responsibility for our own private keys. Plus between overshooting or undershooting system security, it's definitely better to overshoot especially if you HODL a large amount of Bitcoin, OR if you're holding other people's Bitcoin like OP.

Yeah you could've searched a little though, info about the Moonbet's bounty pool in my ledger is already posted here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5427787.msg61424830#msg61424830

Already talked privately to some knowledgeable members of this forum about it. Google is helpful too. I don't feel the need to share such info here.

Wiped the drives. New Os (which will probably be wiped again for Linux). Changed a lot of passwords. Did some meditation to clear my mind. Drank a lot of coffee.

You can read some of them here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5433643.msg61576110#msg61576110
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5433643.msg61579376#msg61579376
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5433643.msg61573933#msg61573933

It should be pushed a lot more than it is. I think that it is usually more like human behavior to suffer a loss/consequence for lack for security before taking it seriously. I think this thread validates that theory.


Without (rightfully) going into too much detail it is pretty clear to me that you're on the right track to a much better level of security. Good stuff and credits are due to the members who helped you and clearly steered you to a better path, and all the best to you in the future! I'll read the details later too, about to log off. Thank you for the links.

I think armanda90 though those tokens/dollars are of you and if you are legit then you may send from those funds. Anyway, as you have those funds as managing bounty you may clear those funds to the participant as soon as possible so that the community can understand you are working as you worked before the hack. And it will help you to prevent getting new negative tags and also may help you to remove the previous tag. And more important thing is that the Bitcointalk community will be able to know that you are legit and the fund has really been hacked. Also, please try to repay your earnings slowly.

Finalizing a bounty campaign spreadsheet takes time. I don't want to rush these things as when the rewards have been distributed, there's no going back, no undo button for that. I'd rather take my time and check everything on the spreadsheet carefully.

I've already started doing that.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5433643.msg61579376#msg61579376

EDIT

I also just posted the listing of my motorbike on Facebook [ LINK  (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid07nnUfj1W8sTBEBWosYWoFJc91w5BSJtFzTtpkXqAjgmMvVcKyxzRCPE6jztouHcTl&id=100000396483415&mibextid=Nif5oz)]
Link deleted per other forum member's suggestion*

I understand that you wanna prove that you are doing everything you can to repay the money lost, but I don't think that this a smart thing to do, to doxx yourself over this. Imho, you should remove that link asap.

I'm an open book. I have nothing to hide. I understand the risks and possible consequeces of giving up your privacy for the sake of transparency. I think I mentioned it somewhere before that it is pretty hard to stay anonymous nowadays, you had to be a hermit living in cave with zero connections to do that (at least that's what I think). So it's fine, what are they gonna do? come here and steal the bike? Goodluck on that. We Mindanaoans are tough as nails.
Besides, that post still needs to be public so it reaches more people so I could sell it ASAP.

You can remain decently transparent even without doxxing yourself, and just because you think that you understand the consequences, doesn't mean that you actually do as you probably also understood the risks of storing funds on hot wallet, and we can see how that ended up.


Stealing the bike should be the least of your worries. You are a bounty manager that is regularly storing your client's money and people may get all kind of ideas in their head (read $5 wrench attack). Anyway, suit yourself.

Some need more than one lesson. If a person is forced to be public, and this is exactly what a manager is on the forum, then he is forced to communicate with people. Anyone the OP considers a "friend" can send him a link containing malware, and once again the OP will be trapped. But yes, all his contacts are visible since 2017 and this Facebook account is not new in his today's display.

Bro, I support the removal of the link if you want to prove that you are selling the bike you can ask a friend to do it on your behalf and just add in the description, your Bitcointalk username to prove to unbelievers that you are selling this, or you can also lock your Facebook profile to protect your privacy, there's a better way to do this.

Yes, true, I made a mistake and I'm trying all to learn all that I can to avoid that from happening again.
But in my line of work (or should I say the services that I offer), I need to be transparent with my clients. Some even ask for IDs and whatnot and it's fine.
Our government is even imposing mandatory sim card ownership registrations and even if I start living in a cave now, my previous internet presence and tracks will still be visible 'til I die. So, still no way to truly hide (at least for me).

You guys who have probably practiced absolute anonymity since the very early stage of crypto inception might have a better chance but not me.
You could say it's a necessary trade for me to gain more clients, earn more crypto and provide for my family.

I will no longer do that. Though right now, I still am (with Undeads campaign), I'm in negotiations with escrows in this forum for them to hold the funds and I'll try all possible ways to continue doing that in the next campaigns. Assurance to participants and less stress for me.

I'll do my best to keep any crypto I have safe. That means anybody crossing our fence with bad motives will be shot in the face.

Oh, I learned my lesson alright. And also, I have very few friends, too few that some might even see me as an indifferent type of person.
Also, I think everyone pretty much doxxed themselves with they joined Facebook even with their so-called "Privacy". No getting out of that.

EDIT. Deleted the FB post. I'll let some else post it. My FB account has zero reach anyways.

One thing I recommend is to never expose yourself more than necessary.

Otherwise I agree with you. Either the person was careful from day one, or else it will no longer be 100% like that. Just be careful not to expose yourself too much.

But if your Facebook isn't very busy, it's best to use other sales tools. Like second-hand items sales sites. And agree with the possible buyer, always places away from your house and with some movement of people.

I recommend you buy a good anti virus like Norton or Kaspersky. IMO linux is an overkill if you haven't used it before. It's a bit more secure but you sacrifice some of the looks of windows and its compatibility with different programs and games. I also find windows much easier to use, more user-friendly. Ultimately it comes down to your cyber hygiene, not the OS that you're using. If you download infected files from the web, click on phishing links and carry data from other computers on USB drives, you will get data breaches sooner or later, regardless of what OS you decide to use.
I assume you know all these things, but haven't turned them into habits yet. As cruel as it may sound, being hacked is a great wake up call. My friend got all his data encrypted by malware and that was his time to start being more careful. Most people don't use any security until they get shit stolen.  

Yes. I currently have Norton on windows. Though a little too late for using it.

I'm actually liking Linux, I like how minimalist it looks and as for app compatibilities, I think running windows on VM should do the trick, my PC should be able to handle it. I've got lots of learning to do though, recently, I've been spending my time talking privately to some forum members about it, they're quite helpful.

It definitely is, really a lesson learned.
It's quite exhausting being put into this situation and I would love to have my peace of mind back again soon.

I would not follow the advice that linux is overkill. Follow the advice you were given, move to a known linux distribution and adapt to it. It won't be hard for you, it's not hard for anyone who knows how to use a computer and has been using one for a long time. The only people I would not recommend linux to, are those who need help with very basic tasks/who aren't able to use a computer using Mac OS or Windows without assistance. There are multiple hardened distributions that are still very easy to use. There are also some that are made to give the same look and feel as Windows or Mac OS, so you get a similar user experience with the added security benefits. Finding what you like most just comes down to research, trial and error.



Again it is nice to read that forum members are helping you. This really should be a public topic. I have made a request for cybersecurity board, which I really hope is added so that we can all become stronger together.
It does not ultimately come down to Cyber Hygiene either. Yes, this is an important part, to not be irresponsible and to not open anything you don't completely trust. However, to follow this rule and this rule only is a very outdated strategy. Hardening your firewall is also one of the important things to focus on...and just blocking all incoming connections will do the trick either. Look up "reverse shells". These pesky windows-based infections use outgoing connections to compromise you. All you need to do is visit one malicious website and it is possible that you could wind up with one on Windows. Not to mention if you miss one single update, it becomes more and more possible very quickly to face ramifications the longer the latest update is applied.

It's not about you, or if you have something to hide. It's about the fact that you were hacked just mere days ago, and there's still a high probability "someone", who might be scanning this forum, is watching/following your activity to see if he/she could find other security vulnerabilities.

Our anonymity as Bitcoin users is very important because it gives us more versatility. We have nothing to hide, true, BUT we don't want bad actors, and the government, knowing who we are, or what we do.

There are many kinds of Linux desktops. I tend to switch ones in a while, and it can go from hardcore minimalistic to excessive animations (minimizing like a ghost from a magic lamp and wobbly windows in Knoppix).
See what works for you. Just know that Linux is generally unforgiving, especially on the command line it does exactly what you say, without asking if you're sure about it.

Weird to see you did not use any antivirus or Internet security software around your hack. Did your computer not have any such software many years?

I did not care to use those softwares years ago but after I joined cryptocurrency, I always have it on my computers.

Those softwares can give false positive or false negative because their 2 approaches by heuristics and behavior analysis are not perfect but having a good one is a good protection but most important is our habit.

I do not want to offend you, but if you do not understand something, it does not mean at all that it is superfluous. Given what people advise the OP, it is the absence of various programs and games that is desirable for a computer that conducts financial activities. Other than that, you won't believe how beautiful and convenient Linux can be, unlike Windows. It also has graphics to create a pleasant interface, although most of its users hardly need them.

It doesn't matter what antivirus you use, if it doesn't change behaviors.
Your behavior on the internet must be very responsible. Avoid opening files that you are not 100% sure are safe, even if they come from people you know. Because that person may not have good behavior.

The antivirus can only help to deal with it, but if its behavior is not matched, there is little point in having an antivirus.

I do not feel offended, we all have our habits. What I wanted to point out is that Julerz12 did not have his coins stolen because he used windows. Recommending him to switch to linux as a countermeasure is like advising a driver who had an accident in a toyota to buy a volvo because they're safer. 99% of the time it's not the car, it's the driver.
Ultimately it comes down to what you do on your computer, how you use it, not to the OS. The recent situation with lukedashjr can be used as an example.

It's great that Julerz likes his linux. If he decides to stay with it, good for him, I'm sure it will improve his security. That said, if you get hacked or get your coins stolen because of a keylogger, or address switcher, or whatever else, changing the OS should not be your first priority. The OS is not the reason you were targeted. Millions of people around the world use windows or iOS and never get anything stolen. I still have coins that I got in 2015 and never had a single security breach, despite using windows all the time.

Yes you will be 100% compatible with all the latest viruses and malware in the world if you continue using windows crap  ::)
YOu obviously have no idea what you are talking about and I doubt' you ever used any linux OS longer than five minutes.
Linux is NOT an overkill and it can look and work even better than gates spyware in almost every aspect including gaming, but OP doesn't really need beautiful gaming machine.

If you want stability with minimal number of apps installed I would suggest Debian.
Linux for general use that has one of the best safety and security is probably Fedora.
If you want Linux that looks very similar like windows, than check out ZorinOS or Mint (that are both based on Ubuntu).

No

These and other antiviruses are designed with the average user in mind, and will not protect your crypto at all. In fact some of them block public Electrum servers!

The average user is crypto-hostile, and the AVs are adjusted for that correspondingly. It may be that the AV trashes your operating system during an update, only for you to find out your wallet was also destroyed in the process, and it was one of those that don't use a seed phrase (or maybe never bothered to write it)

Do not feel offended, but you need to know the truth about antivirus. They give a false sense of security to people who actually know what they are doing (like Snowden).

I think he deserves a second chance too, julerz. I've participated in many bounties he's directed before. He made the payments on time. I hope he recovers from this incident quickly. One of the top managers.

Based on the steps Op has taken OP has no need for the chance now OP has the right to continue. And OP is repaying the due which he has lost. OP already repaid a portion of the fund and also listed his bike for sale. If the bike is sold then the OP will be able to repay more funds also OP has two running projects from where OP will be able to repay a few more too.

It's still best not to expose yourself too much, I don't know what you like until you post the FB link.

like for example slothypeep (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3528440) pretending to be a newbie but you can tell that he has a main account in here. You wouldn't like people digging into your social media history or trolls to create new accounts and accuse you of something by twisting things/stories.

They would gain something if you can't continue that would create less competition.

I dislike all those people who can't tell anything at least the truth and try to act by a new alt account. If anyone can't say from the main account and post from an unknown alt account pretending as a newbie then I guess that is false and s/he is a liar. Anyone should say anything from his/her main account and if the person can't say that from the main account then s/he should stay away from posting.
Undoubtedly,  slothypeep has a main account and trolling here by creating a new account.

Sorry for what happened @Julerz, I know this man because he is in our local forum and for being a bounty manager for a long time and I think he is telling the truth here from based on what actions he has already done to resolve this problem just my advice, please use escrow immediately I also lost my money 2 days ago from my BUSD wallet and Im a victim of a phishing site just for connecting my metamask to a fake airdrop page and for being so careless I also have no idea  how it was happened until my money sent to a phishing wallet with $1m (https://bscscan.com/address/0x5e0668b2aa5836aa3ce67827e9e8d267d2f42d73) balance. 

Sorry to hear that mate, but it seems you copied the wrong address on this post, my escrow address does not have $1m balance.  ;D
Anyways, Yes, I'm in talks with some escrows in this forum, I've been wanting to get rid of these tokens in my ledger.
I normally do not use my ledger for airdrops let alone connect it to unknown dApps and sites. Though I do connect it to Metamask from time to time but, that's only for bounty distribution (sending out rewards in batches).
My escrow address has always been targeted with poisoning attacks (https://twitter.com/metamasksupport/status/1613255316870729728) so I'm always cautious when doing transactions with it.

Coinomize:
Great Thanks ;)

BTC Address: 17fd4FLbj7rQCCPhRo3yqdZQPtKggs7mqc

This is interesting to hear that both side is getting into concession regard the whole issue on ground and i believe this will let the campaign manager @Julerz12 to amend and proof back his trust with good reputation on the forum, it's not about the wrong not happening bit the approach we administer to handles it matters alot,  this should be part if lesson learnt on his own capacity being a manager which means to err is human, others as well should learn from this and avoid related possibilities of its kind, i also appreciate the campaign management team and the representative for such understanding and display of maturity in handling the whole thing, not to talk of giving a second chance, it's now left on Julerz12 to make the latter seal.

This thread was created 4 days ago but OP's consistency and determination paid off he is slowly regaining trust it's still a long way to go but the hardest part is over, this is only a recommendation, and this is to lock this thread to avoid additional stress while you focus on your work, and only update this when there is a need, but it's still up to you.

I think i can see something, regarding the hacker's address, it seems the hacker has started dumping the stolen BTC to two different addresses.

ID: https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/addresses/btc/bc1qd5chfxnqa7gvrvl6cmqcvcvu3rjsl9gwa2juz8
https://zizihub.com/0aac5.jpg

New disposal address for a total of: $5,915, halved.

0.30000000 BTC/$5.663
bc1q0r3fwzyrspdl34nsrxm5354wx96zsnfrt9nvmt

0.01337655 BTC/$252
bc1ql008q9cjhfcsmn7sujg99d79n0r4v0yuxgke6s

Is there a possibility that the two disposal addresses above, can be traced.......!

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Hope so, that's a good step for @julerz12, hopefully in the future he will be more careful in placing the campaign funds that he manages, valuable experience and never to be forgotten.

I've been trying to find connections with that address here in this forum and even on other crypto-related forums but so far, I found nothing and its quite frustrating.
*bc1qd5chfxnqa7gvrvl6cmqcvcvu3rjsl9gwa2juz8  - this address seems created fairly new and has no other addresses within the same wallet
https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/d3a7bd26c2f5ecb4/addresses

Same goes for the two new addresses:
*bc1q0r3fwzyrspdl34nsrxm5354wx96zsnfrt9nvmt
https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/a3c595887e1163d2/addresses
*bc1ql008q9cjhfcsmn7sujg99d79n0r4v0yuxgke6s
https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/8479fa3aa408c558/addresses

Yes indeed.

Yes, thank you for the suggestion. I was wondering when is it time to lock up this thread for now, so I guess this is it.
I'll update the first page with infos about whatever amount I can send back to the project team as repayment for the lost funds or if there are important news to share about this unfortunate incident.

Stolen funds have now been transferred to a bunch of addresses which I assume is either a mixer or the hacker's collection point.
See here: https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/addresses/btc/bc1q0r3fwzyrspdl34nsrxm5354wx96zsnfrt9nvmt

bc1q0r3fwzyrspdl34nsrxm5354wx96zsnfrt9nvmt (along with 50 other btc addresses) transferred BTC to 30 addresses (each address has $11,000 worth of BTC).
bc1q0r3fwzyrspdl34nsrxm5354wx96zsnfrt9nvmt is now connected to a wallet with a total of 17,606 addresses (according to: https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/0008dcb537375e73/addresses)

[EDIT]^1/22/23 I've been informed that the addresses the hacker sent the funds to were apparently from ChipMixer. With that being said, tracing the stolen funds is now utterly useless.

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Reimbursed $100 to Yo!Mix. That's all I can gather for now. Quite tough getting new campaigns.

I understand how it feels, bro. I can't say anything except say sorry to you. It must be hard days for you. But you know that you have to pay for the mistake you have made. Glad to know that you have started paying them. Even though there is a lot of drama in this forum, people trust you. I saw some people mistreated in this forum. You are lucky and unlucky at the same time.

Now you have no negative trust, so I think now all should be fine as usual.

Thank you.


Yes, I hope so.

Will lock this thread again, only reopened it so Coinomize team can update their post as well.

WOW! Glad to hear this. Your dedication towards your work and patience really paid off julerz12. Salute you for making a comeback and not giving up ;) Your reputation should become more stronger than before after overcoming from this tragedy.
So, now only Yom!x remains!!

It is great that you have been given the chance to julerz12 now julerz12 is working hard and the due of you has been cleared. Hope you and julerz12 will be able to work more longer with each other and your project will run a long way. Wish the best of luck to both of you.

Well done. I had confidence in you as evidenced by my positive trust feedback from January, 2022 remaining intact.

May I suggest a two of three signature wallet shared with others selected randomly from the pool of escrows, or by consensus?

You mean use a multi-sig wallet for escrowing the bounty pool? Yep. I was thinking the same thing. Thanks.



Thanks guys. Still not done yet though, I still have debts to pay to Yo!Mix.


Thank you again for giving me a second chance.

I'll lock this thread again for now. Will make updates about reimbursements on the first page when I get to send them to Yo!Mix.

Reuploaded images to TalkImg.

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So far, reimbursed $1097 to Yo!Mix.
A bit slow but I'm trying my best.  :)

I just received a piece of great news from the Yo!Mix team.
I honestly do not know how to phrase it so I am just going to quote what they've said here.


https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/06/20/HPCbW.png

While this is unprecedented, I can wholeheartedly say that it's news I welcome with open arms.
I'm not gonna lie, these past few months have been a struggle trying to keep up with the reimbursements, and judging by my slow pace, it might even take more than a year for me to fulfill the full reimbursement for Yo!Mix.
So far, I have only been able to reimburse $1347 worth of BTC.

The generosity of both Coinomize and Yo!Mix team for understanding my situation and what had happened; I am forever in their debt.
The same goes for numerous members of this forum who pushed me not to give up.

Thank you.

That's great that you overcame this problem and now have an opportunity to continue your journey on the forum without any arrears. You've done it responsibly and worthy. I am glad that this story has a good end. 👍

Good job julerz12, you have proved your responsibility to pay all your debt and it's not an easy task because not everyone can handle it. In this forum, we don't know each other and you have not share your KYC to anyone else which mean you has an option to run away, but as we can see you're a honest person.

Although I have never trade with you, you're deserved to get positive feedback.

Oh, what a happy day! Congrats!


Yes, exactly. I hope you didn't take it too hard that some members still held you accountable during that unfortunate situation and pushed you to make things right. It was the logical thing to do.
But hey, like I said in my first reply in this thread, it's really all about what you do next that will determine if you can rebuild that trust with the community. So I'm really glad to see that you didn't throw in the towel and, in the end, your honesty paid off with part of your debt being forgiven. Best of luck moving forward!

You fucked up, owned up, and made up for it. That is quite rare, especially considering you're in a country where it's a substantial amount of money. I've seen people abandon their Bitcointalk account for a lot less, so well done.

Kuddos to YoMix (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3525916) for showing mercy and rewarding good intentions and effort.

Always great to see an ugly situation turning into a happy ending and congrats on settling the issue!
I think the way you dealt with this adversity actually increased your reputation on this forum, and you probably are more focussed on wallet security than before. And it's definitely a good PR for both, Yo!Mix and Coinomize teams, as they showed some empathy and understanding, which should be appreciated by their current and potential customers. Who knows, maybe the hacker will use their services himself haha
Anyhow, sounds a bit like a win-win from the reputation perspective (not necessarily from the financial one).

Now that's some awesome news!

I like how you accepted the unfortunate loss of funds and worked so hard toward having it paid back to your potential partners at that time. It's no easy thing to do, especially when you could be having other expenses to meet outside the forum. I am pretty sure some less trustworthy folks would have instead just abandoned the forum account with the loss of such an amount.

Also thanks to the people behind Yomix and coinomiz for showing humility and understanding the situation. Not so many have such qualities.

It's good to see how things turned out well.

This proves that, throughout all this time, you have shown yourself to be a serious person and have made an effort to fulfill your obligations. Proving to be someone honest, that he always wanted to solve everything. And it always pays to be honest!

Keep up the good work and that everything will turn out for the best.  ;)

Congratulations, it must be a very big stress and pressure finally off your shoulders to be told you are no longer liable to be paying funds for the hack. The fact that you and Coinomize have also settled the issue is truly remarkable. From being in the dire situation you were in when the funds were no longer in your wallet (to where you find yourself today), it is a day for you to be proud of.

You may have unfortunately lost one of the two to a competitor campaign manager but at least you carried on managing one of them.

Rather than simply walk away from the issues in the aftermath of the incident you posted about it to inform us and then you made amends by repaying those that initially trusted you with their funds before they went missing therefore congratulations once again.

Congratulations Julerz12!
You successfully faced your challenges. Some people would have chickened out, but you decided to bear the burden. You are now free.
My instinct actually told me yomix will do this they did today, but I held back in order not to cause some confusion or more damages by suggesting.
Thanks yomix on behalf of Julerz12.
I also wish to thank Coinomize for allowing you still manage their campaign, which also helped you in this rough period. It is not easy they trusted you even when  your reputation was almost ruined.

Julerz12, you've turned a potentially disastrous situation into an inspiring tale of redemption. It takes courage to face our mistakes and make things right, especially when faced with a hefty financial mess. This serves as a reminder that honorable individuals still exist, and your efforts should be recognized. Keep moving forward with your head held high, knowing that you've earned the respect.

Also, kudos to YoMix and Coinomize for their understanding and support. As someone already mentioned, that's definitely good PR!

Well done julerz12, i can only imagine how difficult it must have been for you these past few months, you got yourself into a difficult spot and finally found a way out of it, i'm really happy for you. The determination you've showed in repaying this debt is the reason why YoMix decided to forgive you, many users would have left the forum for good after the incident, but you didn't, you set a good precedent mate.

A big thank you to the YoMix team for forgiving him and waving off the rest of the debt, it is such a lovely gesture.

Congratulations, first of all!
Coinomize and Yo! Mix team must have seen you were trying so hard to repay the funds that were hacked, which you were, and could have taken you around 1 year or more to fully pay, I'm glad you're grateful for what someone has done for you, unlike a few members on the forum.

I also want to congratulate you, Julerz12. You dealt with the situation honestly; I can understand what it's like to live and know that you have a large debt that has arisen due to the hacking of your wallet. I am sure that you have learned a great lesson, and now you know all the intricacies of online security. Of course, I wish you never face such a situation again.

I'm glad you're cleared of all your debts. It's been a long journey and a really hard lesson.
It's good to see how things can be worked out in the forum and how you can gain confidence.
I wish you luck and that this is the last hard lesson.

Is there any news about your hacked coins, try to track it down, these scammers are lazy and you will find the tip of the thread.

Some things are worth sharing! Good to see your debt cleared and at last, you are at peace. Considering the amount that you owed and how it got paid I would only say a single sentence, "You have the best of luck". Keep going on the right path and this luck you have will never leave you. The will to pay that considerable amount is more than the luck you got. Hoping that you never make such a mistake in the future, praying that such incidents never surround you and your family.   

With the greatest respect to everybody here especially to the OP, I think he should consider locking the thread and letting it move down the page listings. We can all see he has repaid the amounts that were involved and both affected businesses (Coinomize and YoMix) have moved on too therefore if the reputation of the OP is intact then he should probably consider locking this thread.

Alright, maybe I'll be the last person (before the thread closes) to congratulate. We both live in countries where $5k figures in the average annual income of the middle class worker, I imagine how hard it is to pay back that much.

The generosity of yomix team is beyond expectation, I think your commitment to fixing messes with great effort has led them to this decision. However, you also lost a lot of thing from this case, and you deserve forgiveness.

Julerz12's honesty and good intentions to take responsibility for his mistakes made the yomix team forgive him after Julerz12 paid several times. It's a win-win situation for Julerz12 as he's relieved of his responsibilities paying hacked campaign funds, and Julerz12 seems to me to be completely trustworthy.

Julerz12, congrats to you.

Hey man I am really glad your debt is now fully forgiven and you can start clean again.
Yo!Mix did a truly honorable thing and they showed they are serious with their service.
Just don't forget to improve your security model for future work and try to minimize risks when you are dealing with money.

Thanks everyone for the support.

I'll be locking this thread now.