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Title: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: LoyceV on January 12, 2023, 06:15:15 PM
Just after I reported 4 incoherent offtopic shitposts (1 (https://loyce.club/archive/posts/6157/61578655.html), 2 (https://loyce.club/archive/posts/6157/61578673.html), 3 (https://loyce.club/archive/posts/6158/61584486.html), 4 (https://loyce.club/archive/posts/6158/61584450.html), although now it lacks context without the topics) from hasan21 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3476478), I found Umaiya (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3494216):
https://loyce.club/other/shitposter.png
They're both bounty spammers, and now found the serious boards. The posts look almost random.

The first 4 posts were deleted quickly after I reported them, but I feel like it's not enough. Considering the recent hype on text-spinning AIs, and considering how easy it is for shitposters to produce massive numbers of posts that take some time to read through to realize it's bogus, I'd like to see them banned quicker. Maybe we can still stop this before it reaches massive volumes.

If you find more of this, please post them here as examples.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: suchmoon on January 12, 2023, 06:36:46 PM
The first 4 posts were deleted quickly after I reported them, but I feel like it's not enough. Considering the recent hype on text-spinning AIs, and considering how easy it is for shitposters to produce massive numbers of posts that take some time to read through to realize it's bogus, I'd like to see them banned quicker. Maybe we can still stop this before it reaches massive volumes.

Love your optimism, not going to happen. Even blatant plagiarists aren't getting banned, let alone word salad shitposters. This would require actual engagement from moderators - like reading the board they're responsible for and deleting/banning without waiting for reports. I haven't seen that happening since frodo was cleaning tech boards and FH in P&S.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: NotATether on January 12, 2023, 06:37:05 PM
If it's spam then yes, ban them on the spot. How long the ban should be, should be left to the discretion of moderators. Otherwise, the process is largely identical to the one for human-generated spam.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: PowerGlove on January 12, 2023, 07:14:04 PM
Just after I reported 4 incoherent offtopic shitposts [...]
I reported one of hasan21's posts, too. It struck me as very oddly constructed, like it was translated from another language by someone tripping their balls off or something (archived (https://loyce.club/archive/posts/6158/61584486.html)):

Quote from: hasan21
Although some have claimed that the record ranchers may mishandle it, it will essentially make things harder for them, therefore we should be grateful for that!
Currently, all I need to do is come up with a few awesome presents to help me reach 150 legitimacy in the next two months, at which point my actions will raise my status. Tongue

Happy about the adjustment, perhaps there won't be as many postings about novices learning about ICOs in a string for a mineable coin with almost no ICO.

On a hunch, I searched that topic for "account farmers" (which was massacred into "record ranchers") and found the original post that the above nonsense was derived from:

It may be abused by the account farmers as said by others, but it will make it harder at least for them and that is a good thing!
Now i just need to come up with some high quality posts to gain 150 merit in the next two months when activity would rank me up :P

Happy for the change, maybe there will be less posts of the type newbie asking about ICO in a thread for a minable coin without any ICO :)

I'd appreciate it if someone could make a plagiarism report (I would do it myself, here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895), but I'm late for something, and have to run).

Edit: Thanks @Stalker22, your report (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg61585468#msg61585468) seems to have done the business; hasan21 is no more (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=hasan21).


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: Stalker22 on January 12, 2023, 09:36:55 PM
I'd appreciate it if someone could make a plagiarism report (I would do it myself, here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895), but I'm late for something, and have to run).

Nice find, PowerGlove and LoyceV! I found another example and made a plagiarism report: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg61585468#msg61585468
I hope the spammer gets the permaban he deserves.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: digaran on January 13, 2023, 12:26:39 AM
I didn't know AI turns emojis to words, lol .

Quote from: hasan21
reach 150 legitimacy in the next two months, at which point my actions will raise my status. Tongue

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gain 150 merit in the next two months when activity would rank me up :P

There is also this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5382794.msg61578596#msg61578596) , claiming to live in a warzone country with a big family and no food to eat. If this is true maybe we should at least consider his desperation? Unless that's not original like other posts?


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: Hispo on January 13, 2023, 02:29:36 AM
Those post are bad enough to be funny, if you ask me. A couple of them made me chuckle because of how strange they are.  :D
However, I agree we should not underestimate this kind of abuse and need to stop all this non-sense before more people join into the party of AI shitposting.

If any of you care about my opinion, people using any kind of automation tools to spam the forum should be given a temporary ban as warning and then a permaban if they are caught doing exactly the same. If we do not take care of this soon enough this could become a new standard. 




Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: Poker Player on January 13, 2023, 03:00:17 AM
Well, I in other posts defended that this IA could be positive and provide leverage but to quality and responsible posters of the forum. To shitposters it gives them a tool to spam much more and faster, multiplying the number of alts, so in principle I would like to see a measure like the one proposed by LoyceV, but as suchmoon I am skeptical.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: DaveF on January 13, 2023, 03:07:59 AM
I wonder how difficult it really would be to add a captcha requirement for every post. I know some boards have them, sometimes even multiple ones. I don't know if it hurts legitimate posting or not, but I don't see as much spam on them vs those that do not. One car board I am on has a quick and simple one like what is 2 + 7 and that is followed by the 'pick the image' one. And there is very little spam. The other is more like here where you can just post and does get a lot more junk posts.

Don't know how much work it would take to put one in.

But, the AI / chat spammers should just get a permanent vacation.

-Dave


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: Apocollapse on January 13, 2023, 03:59:45 AM
I think user who post using AI Chat generator is similar with ordinary spammer where the punishment is the post get deleted by moderators. But if the user is keep spamming with AI Chat generator and didn't learn his mistake, the moderators can give him temporary ban for 7 days, the second 14 days, the third 30 days and the fourth get permanent banned.

AI Chat generator is still in grey area where it doesn't really took every words from someone articles, but claiming if you're the one who wrote every words created by AI Chat generator is wrong too.

It would be different if someone can spot there's a plagiarism or paraphrase, he deserve to get permanent banned.

First offence: 7 days
Second offence: 14 days
Third offence: 30 days
Fourth: Permanent ban

1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads. [1][e]

2. No off-topic posts.

If an AI is able to consistently create content that doesn't break any of the forum's rules (good quality, on-topic, not just a padded word salad, no plagiarism, etc, etc), I, for one, welcome our new machine overlords (https://youtu.be/8lcUHQYhPTE). Otherwise, content that violates the rules, AI or human produced, can already be dealt with with our current rules and policies in mind.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: LoyceV on January 13, 2023, 07:14:51 AM
I wonder how difficult it really would be to add a captcha requirement for every post. I know some boards have them, sometimes even multiple ones. I don't know if it hurts legitimate posting
I'll leave Bitcointalk if that happens.

Bounty spammers don't mind jumping through hoops, normal people do:
When barriers to participation are too high, then the best people often just won't go to the trouble of joining, and the people who are willing to jump through the hoops are often people who aren't good for the community: people with nothing better to do, scammers, get-rick-quickers, etc.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: o_e_l_e_o on January 13, 2023, 08:41:48 AM
I wonder how difficult it really would be to add a captcha requirement for every post.
Hard NACK. Sometimes I have a hard enough time just loading in the forum to read it via Tor, captchas, cloudflare, etc., let alone make any posts.

Rather than making things more difficult for real users, we should just try actually enforcing the rules for a change and ban the spammers. It's not a difficult thing to do.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: ABCbits on January 13, 2023, 09:47:49 AM
The first 4 posts were deleted quickly after I reported them, but I feel like it's not enough. Considering the recent hype on text-spinning AIs, and considering how easy it is for shitposters to produce massive numbers of posts that take some time to read through to realize it's bogus, I'd like to see them banned quicker. Maybe we can still stop this before it reaches massive volumes.

I agree with @suchmoon, so it's more realistic to either
1. Keep reporting those posts. At bare minimum, they'll focus spamming on different board.
2. Quote their reply with detailed explanation why their post either doesn't make sense or could be dangerous towards other user.
3. Ignore them.

I wonder how difficult it really would be to add a captcha requirement for every post.

It'll be nightmare towards VPN and Tor user who already face occasional CloudFlare "security check". And it's publicly known popular CAPTCHA service (such as hCaptcha and reCATCHA) is hostile towards VPN and Tor.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: NotATether on January 13, 2023, 11:20:14 AM
I wonder how difficult it really would be to add a captcha requirement for every post.
Hard NACK. Sometimes I have a hard enough time just loading in the forum to read it via Tor, captchas, cloudflare, etc., let alone make any posts.

Rather than making things more difficult for real users, we should just try actually enforcing the rules for a change and ban the spammers. It's not a difficult thing to do.

Agree. My lynx terminal is still broken for Bitcointalk as well, and it's not like I can slap a JavaScript engine inside the browser to solve captchas, especially when they will keep changing over time and use ever newer JS constructs.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: DaveF on January 13, 2023, 05:37:26 PM
So...
NotATether, ETFbitcoin, o_e_l_e_o, LoyceV are all against my concept of a captcha.

Let's compromise and do it my way :-)

Seriously, it would be a patch at best to slow it down but other then reporting we have no other option.

IMO it's just a really difficult balance, you want a free and open forum. But you want to control the spammers as much as possible.

Or do you go the other way but no more temp bans for things like that. Using a word spinner you get the boot and that's it. Too harsh? Not sure.

-Dave


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: LoyceV on January 13, 2023, 05:58:00 PM
Or do you go the other way but no more temp bans for things like that. Using a word spinner you get the boot and that's it. Too harsh? Not sure.
Temp bans are great for normal people. Actually, I'd hate it if that happened, and I'd learn my lesson. Just like I learned my lesson back in 2015 when I posted 3 referral links, and all 3 of them got deleted. I too was once a clueless Newbie :P
Temp bans are useless for spammers who just open more accounts. They don't need a warning, they know they're not contributing anyway. They're just trying to get away with it.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: o_e_l_e_o on January 13, 2023, 08:14:21 PM
Seriously, it would be a patch at best to slow it down but other then reporting we have no other option.
The other option is mods and admins actually enforce the few rules we do have. How much better would the forum be if we actually followed this in any way: Signature Campaign Guidelines (read this before starting or joining a campaign) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1684035.0)

IMO it's just a really difficult balance, you want a free and open forum. But you want to control the spammers as much as possible.
There is a very clear distinction between allowing freedom of speech for controversial opinions (which I will always defend) and banning outright spammers.

Using a word spinner you get the boot and that's it. Too harsh? Not sure.
Using a word spinner is plagiarism. Additionally, using one is deliberately trying to circumvent the rule regarding plagiarism. Word spinning should be an instant perma-ban. I cannot fathom why it isn't.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: Ultegra134 on January 13, 2023, 08:33:19 PM
So...
NotATether, ETFbitcoin, o_e_l_e_o, LoyceV are all against my concept of a captcha.

Let's compromise and do it my way :-)

Seriously, it would be a patch at best to slow it down but other then reporting we have no other option.

IMO it's just a really difficult balance, you want a free and open forum. But you want to control the spammers as much as possible.

Or do you go the other way but no more temp bans for things like that. Using a word spinner you get the boot and that's it. Too harsh? Not sure.

-Dave

I'm sorry, I don't mean to offend, but how are captchas in each post going to help? In the case of LoyceV's report, the reported user has posted four replies in a course of approximately 40 minutes. These posts are certainly made by an AI service such as ChatGPT, as LoyceV already mentioned. I don't see how a captcha would solve that; I don't see the need, since these kinds of services are able to generate a vast amount of posts.

https://i.ibb.co/wc9W7nk/Screenshot-20230113-222539.png

Anyway, to return to the starting subject, I believe that the user in question is likely to be an alt account; I can't find any other reason a newbie would make such a large amount of posts in such a short notice.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: LoyceV on January 14, 2023, 07:47:21 AM
controversial opinions
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Word spinning should be an instant perma-ban. I cannot fathom why it isn't.
Combining those 2, I can think of a legit reason for word spinning: to avoid identification by using forensic linguistics (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1171059.0). But that's not the case in any of the spam-cases we've seen.

I believe that the user in question is likely to be an alt account; I can't find any other reason a newbie would make such a large amount of posts in such a short notice.
My guess: he's trying to earn that one Merit needed for a Jr. Member signature for bounty spam.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: Adbitco on January 14, 2023, 08:36:46 AM
I wonder how difficult it really would be to add a captcha requirement for every post. I know some boards have them, sometimes even multiple ones. I don't know if it hurts legitimate posting or not, but I don't see as much spam on them vs those that do not. One car board I am on has a quick and simple one like what is 2 + 7 and that is followed by the 'pick the image' one. And there is very little spam. The other is more like here where you can just post and does get a lot more junk posts.

Don't know how much work it would take to put one in.

But, the AI / chat spammers should just get a permanent vacation.

-Dave

Well, sorry commenting here, i think your opinion could be the best.
Sometimes i think of how much we could keep reporting such post or even issuing temp ban and parma ban., However, have we forgotten that the more they got ban the more account they make and if their IP are already mark for evil, believe me or not they could source for another means to create additional account to still further same process, will the admin keep banning them on the go?
In as much as we want to keep the forum clean we should also try to lessen the task from the admin & Mods, because i believe there are lot cases to be taking care of over here. For such to reduce they could implements a captcha to reduce much activities from them.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: o_e_l_e_o on January 14, 2023, 10:39:07 AM
Combining those 2, I can think of a legit reason for word spinning: to avoid identification by using forensic linguistics (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1171059.0). But that's not the case in any of the spam-cases we've seen.
Word spinning does a very poor job at this, since you keep the same sentence structure, grammar, etc. But still, none of the spamming accounts using word spinners are word spinning some text that they wrote themselves. They are plagiarizing.

CAPTCHA can block fully automated bot which automatically select thread at random, obtain text from AI (such as chatGPT) and then make a reply using that text.
But equally it is trivial for the bot to do all this anyway and only require human interaction for <10 seconds to solve the captcha. If you are not using Tor or something else that means you end up having to solve the same captcha twenty times or more, then one human can still mass spam with multiple bot accounts with little hindrance.

Just ban the spammers.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: Ultegra134 on January 14, 2023, 08:54:35 PM
My guess: he's trying to earn that one Merit needed for a Jr. Member signature for bounty spam.
Wasn't aware that there are bounty campaigns in the altcoin section have such low requirements.
CAPTCHA can block fully automated bot which automatically select thread at random, obtain text from AI (such as chatGPT) and then make a reply using that text. But it's unlikely it'll stop people who copy text manually from website which provide AI service.
There probably is a small number of users who might be using such a bot, but in my opinion, as you've already mentioned, the majority will just stick to manual copy and pasting from AI services. Using a fully automated bot requires some knowledge that the majority of these spammers don't have, while it sounds way too exaggerated. The manual method is far easier and more hassle free.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: DaveF on January 15, 2023, 05:04:33 AM
My guess: he's trying to earn that one Merit needed for a Jr. Member signature for bounty spam.
Wasn't aware that there are bounty campaigns in the altcoin section have such low requirements.

Perhaps we are looking at it the wrong way. Ban the campaign managers and the projects that hire them if they use people who are using spam bots and give everyone in the campaign a warning that they were working with spammers. After a certain number of warnings you would get a ban. Would that be too harsh?

Seriously, I use the altcoin section for a few things and would not be put at all if it went away, so it might be a harsh point of view, but to me it looks like most of the bounty campaigns are a lot crappier then they used to be.

-Dave


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: o_e_l_e_o on January 15, 2023, 08:13:38 AM
Perhaps we are looking at it the wrong way. Ban the campaign managers and the projects that hire them if they use people who are using spam bots and give everyone in the campaign a warning that they were working with spammers. After a certain number of warnings you would get a ban. Would that be too harsh?
Nope, not too harsh at all. In fact, doing exactly this is already in the rules stickied to the top of the Services board:

If you are running a campaign and it becomes blatantly obvious to Staff that you are doing little to nothing to stop spam on your campaign you will be issued a PM warning by a Global Moderator that you need to make immediate improvements to curb low-quality posts. You will have 7 days to remove low-quality posters and respond to the message detailing what you are going to do to make changes to your campaign to reduce the amount of spam. If improvements are not noticeable within 21 days of that and Staff do not believe you are doing enough to prevent low quality posts your signatures will be blacklisted from the forum by an Admin and you will no longer be permitted to advertise here in such a way.

As far as I am aware, this has literally never happened. Even when we had the absolute flood of YoBit spammers, it took months of the forum being an absolute shitshow and multiple threads in Meta and Reputation complaining about it before we finally got some intervention.

Just enforce the rules. 7/14/30 day escalating bans for 1st/2nd/3rd offenses for spammers, followed by a permaban. Same for campaign managers and campaigns themselves. Actually do this and the problem is solved. Spammers are banned, and new spammers joining are massively reduced because there is no incentive for them to do so, since any campaign manager which accepts them will also be banned. Campaigns are incentivized to use good campaign managers, because if they choose a bad one they will also be banned from advertising here.

The solution already exists. It's just the mods and admins ignore it. I don't know why.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: Ucy on January 15, 2023, 01:01:47 PM
In certain gatherings comments like that would be given massive round of applause not because they make any sense, are relevant or true, but because of the "powerful" grammer or vocabularies that are used.
 It would be great if people focused more on relevant comments (comments relevant to what is being discussed) even if their grammar or vocabularies seem poor/weak. I have observed certain posters who don't really write well but have strong points and relevant comments. You would notice their posts value or relevance if they were rewritten by a qualified English professor. And you could easily notice the meaninglessness of AI generated texts for example if they were rewritten by someone with poor grammar.

I believe it's best to attract those with strong interest & passion for Bitcoin/crypto otherwise we will have a forum full of people applauding or even meriting meaningless comments/posts because of their powerful grammar. Such comments will likely be boring and easily noticed by passionate members even though they look attractive. And the passion could help in the understanding of relevant/reasonable comments written by members with poor English


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: dkbit98 on January 16, 2023, 05:44:17 PM
So...
NotATether, ETFbitcoin, o_e_l_e_o, LoyceV are all against my concept of a captcha.
I am also against adding captchas for writing every post, and it would create big decrease in forum activity.
Maybe adding captchas could be considered for people who are writing many worthless posts in short amount of time.

@LoyceV can you check and test this tools I found for detecting AI bots?
This tools can be used freely and it's called GPT-2 Output Detector, GLTR and GPTZero.
They are not 100% correct all the time, but they can be indicator if someone is using AI for making posts.

Sources:
https://openai-openai-detector.hf.space/
http://gltr.io/dist/index.html
https://etedward-gptzero-main-zqgfwb.streamlit.app/


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: LoyceV on January 16, 2023, 09:16:53 PM
@LoyceV can you check and test this tools I found for detecting AI bots?
Since it can have both false positives as well as false negatives, I don't think it's worth the effort.
Also: what are the odds those "detectors" only use the current AI chat for their own publicity?


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: Sandra_hakeem on January 16, 2023, 10:32:47 PM
@LoyceV can you check and test this tools I found for detecting AI bots?
Since it can have both false positives as well as false negatives, I don't think it's worth the effort.
Also: what are the odds those "detectors" only use the current AI chat for their own publicity?
I haven't really been been cleared on that Yunno; cus I see -- getting publicized -- as one huge reason why they go about with artificial intelligence in the first place...... ofcourse,I don't think if they wanted to keep this nuisance a secret, because what's the point of having DETECTORS?? Maybe it was made to gain some top-notch publicity as you said ( though I think less of that) or some peeps, after getting tired of the whole drama, had to get into their worst primes just to get 'em either granted unopposed as something very important, or segregated as something unnecessary at all.
The latter seems true to me .

Sandra 🧑‍🦰


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: Ryu_Ar1 on January 16, 2023, 11:09:10 PM
If you find more of this, please post them here as examples.
Sorry in advance, are posts like this really allowed?

https://i.gyazo.com/993bb190105e4960e681002fa2cd28fb.png

I don't really understand the language the OP uses, but if you look at the post, most of it is like that, even though there are a few quotes there as well as a few pictures, but looking at the whole it looks like you will understand what I mean.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=556829;sa=showPosts (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=556829;sa=showPosts)


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: Ultegra134 on January 18, 2023, 10:52:40 AM
My guess: he's trying to earn that one Merit needed for a Jr. Member signature for bounty spam.
Wasn't aware that there are bounty campaigns in the altcoin section have such low requirements.

Perhaps we are looking at it the wrong way. Ban the campaign managers and the projects that hire them if they use people who are using spam bots and give everyone in the campaign a warning that they were working with spammers. After a certain number of warnings you would get a ban. Would that be too harsh?

Seriously, I use the altcoin section for a few things and would not be put at all if it went away, so it might be a harsh point of view, but to me it looks like most of the bounty campaigns are a lot crappier then they used to be.

-Dave

Well, it does sound a little harsh, but it depends on how you see things. In general, the most spam and gibberish posts stem from the 1xbit signature campaign (apart from the altcoin section, which you mentioned), and despite the efforts of plenty of users who reported a large number of their posts, the issue remains. Two sections that are filled to the brim with such posts are the gambling and altcoin sections, in which I hardly ever participate; thus, I can't have a comprehensive reason for the spam, but in my opinion, the gambling requirements that campaign managers put in are one of the possible causes. The altcoin section, on the other hand, is filled with bounty campaigns that are attracting newer users or those who are unable to enter the most reputed ones.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: dkbit98 on January 18, 2023, 12:24:48 PM
Since it can have both false positives as well as false negatives, I don't think it's worth the effort.
It gives you percentage that shows if some text was potentially generated by AI bot or not.
We use similar thing to detect if something was plagiarized in forum and report that to moderators, so I think we can use something similar with AI generated text.
If one member gets repeated high percentage of AI generated posts I think this member should be banned or temporary banned.

Also: what are the odds those "detectors" only use the current AI chat for their own publicity?
I don't know who owns those websites I posted and I don't care who they are, except one that is collaboration between people from MIT and Harvard.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: LoyceV on January 18, 2023, 06:47:03 PM
It gives you percentage that shows if some text was potentially generated by AI bot or not.
I tried that in another topic. Conclusion: I'm a bot :P Since I'm obviously human, the detection is unreliable.

Quote
If one member gets repeated high percentage of AI generated posts I think this member should be banned or temporary banned.
Based on a third-party tool? I doubt it.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: LoyceMobile on January 19, 2023, 12:02:09 PM
I found another user that looks like a generic chat generator spammer:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3524806;sa=showPosts

Typically, it adds as much words or phrases as possible to make the post or message sound longer and better. << See what i did there?

It's more annoying that normal shitposts because it takes more time to notice.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: dkbit98 on January 19, 2023, 09:34:54 PM
I tried that in another topic. Conclusion: I'm a bot :P Since I'm obviously human, the detection is unreliable.
You didn't say what was the percentage showing text was AI generated on all 3 websites... but some people have been saying you are a bot for years  :D

Based on a third-party tool? I doubt it.
How do you think we are detecting plagiarized text by other members?
We certainly don't have super powers, and I was always using two website to detect source and PERCENTAGE of plagiarism... it worked well most of the times.

EDIT:
Here is one test I did with this post from member Techdev generated by AI (it was later deleted by moderators after my report):
https://ninjastic.space/post/61619530

GPT-2 Output Detector is showing 99.98% that this is AI generated:

https://i.imgur.com/0VHlTqC.jpg

GPTZero is saying that text is most likely to be AI generated:

https://i.imgur.com/xvjZQnS.jpg


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: LoyceV on January 20, 2023, 09:24:17 AM
I tried that in another topic. Conclusion: I'm a bot :P Since I'm obviously human, the detection is unreliable.
You didn't say what was the percentage showing text was AI generated on all 3 websites...
The site I tested before labeled me as 81% fake (https://loyce.club/other/AIdetected.png).

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How do you think we are detecting plagiarized text by other members?
We certainly don't have super powers, and I was always using two website to detect source and PERCENTAGE of plagiarism... it worked well most of the times.
I always use an exact match on them, or manually find word spinning. I've never used a "plagiarism detector" for it.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: joker_josue on January 23, 2023, 01:02:00 PM
I found another user that looks like a generic chat generator spammer:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3524806;sa=showPosts

I would also say that these texts are generated by the AI. Because, instead of answering the question directly, he makes a little explanation and then he answers the question in a very comprehensive way.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: sujonali1819 on January 27, 2023, 05:05:33 PM
After launching the ChatGpt it's a benefit for the spammer and the beginner who doesn't care about bitcointalk rules. Now I can feel what would if the merit system did not arrive. Theymos did a great job by implementing the merit system. Otherwise, bitcointalk could be full of spammers with the help of this AI chat generator.

Btw I also think the spammers who use the AI chat generator to post here should be at least a temp ban. Otherwise you can not stop them it's sure.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: LoyceMobile on January 29, 2023, 11:56:23 AM
Another chat bot spammer?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3524190;sa=showPosts


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: joker_josue on January 29, 2023, 12:06:37 PM
Another chat bot spammer?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3524190;sa=showPosts

I did some simulations, to try to understand if what is said is similar to the AI.
Of course, I don't know how the AI research was done, even so some posts seem identical to your answers or the way to respond. But on the other hand, other posts don't seem like that anymore.

We had to remain attentive and watch the evolution of that user's posts in order to obtain greater clarity on the subject.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: LoyceMobile on January 29, 2023, 12:42:25 PM
Running a pruned node has downsides for users.
~
In the event of a dispute, it can be more difficult to prove the validity of your transactions.
I'm thinking about neutral tags for chat bot BS.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: pakhitheboss on January 29, 2023, 02:56:06 PM
I think a moron posted those replies! If he/she knew how it worked then it would not have been noticed.

Yet, it is a pretty serious issue and I solution has to be found. I have seen many topics posted on many boards which feel that they are being posted using an AI. As most of them do not make any sense. I have reported them to moderators and still those replies stay.

I have done some research to find a solution to those AI replies but they are not conclusive. Any steps like banning might not be inconclusive as you can not prove that someone has used an AI.

My question to everyone who advocated banning them is, how would you know that the reply is being done using an AI or a topic is created using the help of AI?


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: joker_josue on January 29, 2023, 03:00:17 PM
My question to everyone who advocated banning them is, how would you know that the reply is being done using an AI or a topic is created using the help of AI?

I think it is almost impossible, if the use of this tool is well done.
If it's a matter of just copy-pasting, then what might happen is when we figure out how the question was asked the result is the same.

We must not forget that there are users who can use translation tools, and that sometimes builds the sentence in a less "natural" way. I for example write using a translator.   :-X


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: T3PR00T on January 29, 2023, 03:03:27 PM
Running a pruned node has downsides for users.
~
In the event of a dispute, it can be more difficult to prove the validity of your transactions.
I'm thinking about neutral tags for chat bot BS.
But it will be difficult to conclude. These chat bots are as smart as the forum AI  :P


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: BlockMinusOne on January 29, 2023, 05:11:04 PM
I was just experimenting with by whom I will be caught first. LoyceV, you're quick.

Chat isn't strong enough yet. But it's a matter of time.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: Mpamaegbu on January 30, 2023, 09:35:00 AM
Incidentally, that's the price to pay for such tech advancement. Anything with advantages has its demerits too. Recently, off this forum though, I've been reading how well a certain Chatgp Al has been performing and dishing great stuff. Humanity, at some point, will have a serious competition with computer intelligence. Nonetheless, I trust theymos will come up with an idea that can put all this Al activities on the forum at bar. We need real humans to chat and post here, not some Al. By the way, nothing judges a situation better than human analysis. Look at those sampled posts from alleged Al and see how off point they're because of the lack of emotional perspective to those comments.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: joker_josue on January 30, 2023, 12:07:45 PM
Few AI has invisible watermark[1] which can be used to identify whether a post is written with AI or not, although i doubt moderator would bother use tool to detect such invisible watermark.

First we needed to know what that watermark was. And honestly in text, I always find it a little difficult to use.

Unless in the middle of the text standard information is inserted so that it is detectable in a copy-paste scenario. But the first step has to be for the company that develops that AI to introduce that information. Perhaps when there is a difference between the paid and free versions, this supposed watermark will appear in the free versions.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: LoyceMobile on January 30, 2023, 12:27:13 PM
Perhaps when there is a difference between the paid and free versions, this supposed watermark will appear in the free versions.
So spammers can pay to remove the plagiarism marker? Sounds like a great business model!


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: joker_josue on January 30, 2023, 03:54:36 PM
Perhaps when there is a difference between the paid and free versions, this supposed watermark will appear in the free versions.
So spammers can pay to remove the plagiarism marker? Sounds like a great business model!

I first question whether the texts created by these AI really have any "watermark".
If they really have, I wouldn't be surprised that the paid versions of these AI would no longer include that watermark.

The only way for a text to have a watermark is a word, phrase or other content that is the same in all texts, regardless of the subject being treated. Honestly, I have a hard time seeing any other way this could happen, but I'm not an AI expert, so it might be different.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: npuath on January 30, 2023, 04:07:01 PM
Current predictive models more or less generate texts word for word. Simplistically put, at each point there's a list of weighted candidate words, one of which is stochastically chosen (according to some distribution). The weights can be gently adjusted with a "fingerprint", so that the algorithm balances similar words with a statistically detectable frequency (the "fingerprint"). In texts with more than a thousand words, the probability that this would occur randomly is low (depending on how strongly the "fingerprint" was allowed to alter the weights).


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: elevates on January 31, 2023, 01:46:43 PM
How do you think we are detecting plagiarized text by other members?
We certainly don't have super powers, and I was always using two website to detect source and PERCENTAGE of plagiarism... it worked well most of the times.

EDIT:
Here is one test I did with this post from member Techdev generated by AI (it was later deleted by moderators after my report):
https://ninjastic.space/post/61619530

GPT-2 Output Detector is showing 99.98% that this is AI generated:

https://i.imgur.com/0VHlTqC.jpg

GPTZero is saying that text is most likely to be AI generated:

https://i.imgur.com/xvjZQnS.jpg

GPT-2 has a loophole! You only need a spin writer on the text that has been generated by Chat GPT or any other AI content bot and it will not be able to detect. You might be only finding those members who do not have any knowledge of the English language. Those lazy buggers who know the language but do not want to write on a topic that they think can be posted here cannot be tracked. I would not rely on a free tool to check AI-generated content. There are some paid ones but it is not worth investing in as long as the content makes sense and does not break any rules of the forum.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: joker_josue on January 31, 2023, 03:59:01 PM
Current predictive models more or less generate texts word for word. Simplistically put, at each point there's a list of weighted candidate words, one of which is stochastically chosen (according to some distribution). The weights can be gently adjusted with a "fingerprint", so that the algorithm balances similar words with a statistically detectable frequency (the "fingerprint"). In texts with more than a thousand words, the probability that this would occur randomly is low (depending on how strongly the "fingerprint" was allowed to alter the weights).

GPT-2 has a loophole! You only need a spin writer on the text that has been generated by Chat GPT or any other AI content bot and it will not be able to detect. You might be only finding those members who do not have any knowledge of the English language. Those lazy buggers who know the language but do not want to write on a topic that they think can be posted here cannot be tracked. I would not rely on a free tool to check AI-generated content. There are some paid ones but it is not worth investing in as long as the content makes sense and does not break any rules of the forum.

Don't forget that several AI systems write in several languages. So, the response has to be very mechanized/generic, presenting information out of context so that we can understand whether it originates from AI or not.

I agree that investing in research tools is very risky and not viable.

I think the best way to find out if the post is made using AI is by asking the user about their response. Ask who explains the same. The way it responds (if it responds) can hint at whether or not an AI is responding.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on February 01, 2023, 06:42:25 AM
Yesterday I came across an article with a link to a site that is supposedly a classifier for identifying texts written by AI tools.
But as the article says, it's still not an accurate tool. In the testing process, texts written by AI were identified by only 26%, and also erroneous by 9% in texts that were written by a person.

https://openai.com/blog/new-ai-classifier-for-indicating-ai-written-text/


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: joker_josue on February 01, 2023, 08:04:57 AM
OpenAI is already being paid for! It should now reduce a little this type of behavior here in the forum.

Either way, the price isn't too high: $0.0004 / 1K tokens (low cost); $0.0200 / 1K tokens (high cost).

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Prices are per 1,000 tokens. You can think of tokens as pieces of words, where 1,000 tokens is about 750 words. This paragraph is 35 tokens.

https://openai.com/api/pricing/


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: elevates on February 01, 2023, 12:05:01 PM
OpenAI is already being paid for! It should now reduce a little this type of behavior here in the forum.

Either way, the price isn't too high: $0.0004 / 1K tokens (low cost); $0.0200 / 1K tokens (high cost).

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Prices are per 1,000 tokens. You can think of tokens as pieces of words, where 1,000 tokens is about 750 words. This paragraph is 35 tokens.

https://openai.com/api/pricing/


Apart from OPEN AI, there are other projects that offer free AI on a trial basis. I do not wish to reveal their names but the trick is to use them for free is just register using a different email address whenever the free period expires. These content writers are also very good and effective. If you think this behavior would get reduced then you are wrong. I say this because of my experience in the teaching profession I know how and through what my students have been submitting assignments.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: joker_josue on February 01, 2023, 05:11:11 PM
Apart from OPEN AI, there are other projects that offer free AI on a trial basis. I do not wish to reveal their names but the trick is to use them for free is just register using a different email address whenever the free period expires. These content writers are also very good and effective. If you think this behavior would get reduced then you are wrong. I say this because of my experience in the teaching profession I know how and through what my students have been submitting assignments.


But these systems have a lower quality level than OpenAI, making it easier to detect text created by AI. Now, of course, it will not eliminate this situation, but the fact that this system is paid now, will at least reduce the most difficult cases to detect.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: elevates on February 02, 2023, 12:42:19 PM
But these systems have a lower quality level than OpenAI, making it easier to detect text created by AI. Now, of course, it will not eliminate this situation, but the fact that this system is paid now, will at least reduce the most difficult cases to detect.

The free subscription is still available found this on their FAQ.

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Yes, free access to ChatGPT will still be provided. By offering this subscription pricing, we will be able to help support free access availability to as many people as possible. See our general ChatGPT article for more information on our free offering.

Link to FAQ (https://help.openai.com/en/articles/6950777-chatgpt-plus)


I can still access my dashboard and start a new chat. You can check the screenshot.

https://i.imgur.com/uDmmpoyl.png

The main reason behind the subscription plan can be found in FAQ. I am quoting the explanation below.

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ChatGPT Plus is a pilot subscription plan for ChatGPT. It offers availability even when demand is high, faster response speed, and priority access to new features.

I agree the other AI content writers that are free are not as good as OPEN AI but if you know the trick then you can create content just like a human writer. I have seen many papers submitted to me and I would not say that it is easy to detect AI-based content but it takes a lot of time an effort to find one. Still, you cannot guarantee that the content was written using an AI. 


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: NotATether on February 02, 2023, 12:52:03 PM
This is the reason why they have started a subscription plan.

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ChatGPT Plus is a pilot subscription plan for ChatGPT. It offers availability even when demand is high, faster response speed, and priority access to new features.

I agree the other AI content writers that are free are not as good as OPEN AI but if you know the trick then you can create content just like a human writer. I have seen many papers submitted to me and I would not say that I was able to catch everyone but I know how things are after these AIs have been released.

I forked someone's ChatGPT cli (which I put at https://github.com/ZenulAbidin/gptchat) about a month ago, and I've been using that to run the Davinci-003 model, and because of that, I can still access it even when ChatGPT is down. I don't know why it's called ChatGPT if it's just using davinci-003 to be honest, but it does magic for me. I've used it to write multiple scripts to parse several different data distributions like tzdata and the CLDR, for example. It can also document programming language classes.

It's not using ChatGPT but speaks a lot similar to it. I can't really tell them apart.

My January bill for my Davinci bot was almost $10 - half the price of ChatGPT Plus. So I think I got a very good bargain by making my own API key and moving past ChatGPT.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: elevates on February 02, 2023, 02:19:17 PM
I forked someone's ChatGPT cli (which I put at https://github.com/ZenulAbidin/gptchat) about a month ago, and I've been using that to run the Davinci-003 model, and because of that, I can still access it even when ChatGPT is down. I don't know why it's called ChatGPT if it's just using davinci-003 to be honest, but it does magic for me. I've used it to write multiple scripts to parse several different data distributions like tzdata and the CLDR, for example. It can also document programming language classes.

It's not using ChatGPT but speaks a lot similar to it. I can't really tell them apart.

My January bill for my Davinci bot was almost $10 - half the price of ChatGPT Plus. So I think I got a very good bargain by making my own API key and moving past ChatGPT.

I am not sure why you copied or worked on a model which does not even exist as written by you " a month ago". BTW, OPEN AI was free before you did that and it is still free but you won't get access to it whenever you want to! I am not sure why you started promoting Davinci-003 (which I have no clue about) as there are many ways to get access to a premium AI content generator. I know such a thing as I am aware of how my students are getting things done.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: LoyceV on February 07, 2023, 10:24:29 AM
This looks like another generic AI chatbot spammer: Sandra99 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3533251):
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2. Faster and more secure transactions: Bitcoin transactions are processed almost instantly, and they use strong encryption to ensure the security of funds.

3.Access to a wider customer base: By accepting Bitcoin, you can reach a global audience of people who prefer to use cryptocurrencies.

If you're considering accepting Bitcoin for your business, there are a few initial steps you should take:
1. Research: Before you start accepting Bitcoin, it's important to learn as much as you can about cryptocurrencies, their benefits, and their risks.

2. Choose a reliable wallet and payment processor: To receive payments in Bitcoin, you'll need a cryptocurrency wallet and a payment processor. Do your research to find a reputable and secure option that meets your needs.

3. Consider security: Cryptocurrencies are vulnerable to theft, so it's important to take steps to secure your funds. This might include using multi-signature wallets, keeping most of your funds in cold storage, and regularly backing up your data.

4.Be prepared for price swings: Bitcoin's price can be volatile, so you need to be prepared for short-term price swings. You might consider converting Bitcoin to your local currency as soon as you receive it, to minimize the impact of price swings.

By taking these steps, you can help ensure that accepting Bitcoin is a profitable and secure option for your business.

This question touches on the current political and regulatory landscape surrounding Bitcoin. With the growing adoption of cryptocurrencies, governments and central banks around the world are starting to take notice and consider their stance on this emerging asset class. Some countries are taking a more hands-off approach, while others are implementing regulations and restrictions. The discussion around this topic can lead to interesting perspectives and debates on the future of cryptocurrencies and their interaction with traditional financial systems.

The issue of spam and misinformation on online forums can have a significant impact on the user experience and overall credibility of the platform. In the case of BitcoinTalk.org, it's important to address these issues in order to maintain a safe and productive environment for all users. Here are some steps that can be taken to better address spam and misinformation on the platform:

Implement stricter moderation policies: This can include increased monitoring of posts, removal of spammy or misleading content, and imposition of penalties for repeat offenders.

Use community reporting and flagging: Encourage users to report spam or misinformation when they see it, and have a team of moderators who can quickly review and address these reports.

Use technology-based solutions: Utilize tools and algorithms to identify and remove spam and misinformation automatically. This can include things like spam filters, AI-powered moderation systems, and machine learning algorithms.

Educate users on spotting fake news: Provide resources and tips for users on how to identify and avoid misinformation, such as checking sources and looking for multiple perspectives.

Foster a culture of critical thinking: Encourage users to critically evaluate the information they encounter on the platform and question the sources and motives behind it.

By taking these steps, we can help to reduce the impact of spam and misinformation on BitcoinTalk.org and create a more trustworthy and productive platform for all users.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: NotATether on February 07, 2023, 12:37:49 PM
I am not sure why you copied or worked on a model which does not even exist as written by you " a month ago". BTW, OPEN AI was free before you did that and it is still free but you won't get access to it whenever you want to! I am not sure why you started promoting Davinci-003 (which I have no clue about) as there are many ways to get access to a premium AI content generator. I know such a thing as I am aware of how my students are getting things done.

Actually, davinci-003 was launched sometime in late November: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33780720 and I started using this cli in January.

The reason I switched to a model that will charge me bills is because I kept getting gated by Cloudflare's bot captcha, and it was detrimental to my ability to access ChatGPT through a browser.

I'm not using it as a content generator, but rather as a Q/A search engine. :)


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: examplens on February 07, 2023, 08:02:57 PM
This looks like another generic AI chatbot spammer: Sandra99 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3533251):

it seems that the moderators have deleted some of Sandra's posts.

Actually, davinci-003 was launched sometime in late November: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33780720 and I started using this cli in January.

The reason I switched to a model that will charge me bills is because I kept getting gated by Cloudflare's bot captcha, and it was detrimental to my ability to access ChatGPT through a browser.

via the browser is tiring and ChatGPT is very often overloaded, so you must wait.
I just installed a ChatGPT bot on my randomly created Discord server and works fine. No Cloudflare captcha or out of capacity (for now). I have a new friend  ;)


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: LoyceV on February 12, 2023, 07:19:31 AM
How about Legendary slapper (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=300712)? He caught my attention because of the large number of posts he produces (https://loyce.club/active/7d.html) while barely earning any Merit. It looks like chat AI spam to me:
I haven't been in that position, but I can think it would be difficult. Leaving a higher-paying job might be tough if you've worked hard to get there, but our happiness and health should always come first. Thinking about and weighing the decision's potential long-term consequences is crucial.

Here are some tips to keep in mind before making the switch:

Assess your values and priorities: What do you value most in your career and in your life? Are you prepared to forgo a portion of your financial security for a career that matches with your principles and makes you happier?

Consider the impact on your lifestyle: How will the change affect your income, your bills, and your overall finance?

Research the new opportunity thoroughly: Make sure you have a clear understanding of the job requirements, the company culture, and the earning potential.

Get advice from people you trust: Talk to friends, family, and career counselors to get a different perspective on your decision. Forum like bitcointalk is also a wonderful source

Create a backup plan
: If the switch doesn't work out, what will you do? Make sure you have a plan in place in case things don't go as expected.

The choice to switch job is ultimately a personal one, and it is essential to do what is best for you. Whether you decide to continue with the higher-paying job or transition to a field that provides you more satisfaction, be sure you've taken the time to weigh your alternatives and make the best decision for your future.

Quoting myself:
Typically, it adds as much words or phrases as possible to make the post or message sound longer and better. << See what i did there?
It does this:
"values and priorities"
"in your career and in your life"
"that matches with your principles and makes you happier"
"your income, your bills, and your overall finance"
"the job requirements, the company culture, and the earning potential"
"Talk to friends, family, and career counselors"
"weigh your alternatives and make the best decision"


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: joker_josue on February 22, 2023, 08:24:43 PM
How about Legendary slapper (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=300712)? He caught my attention because of the large number of posts he produces (https://loyce.club/active/7d.html) while barely earning any Merit. It looks like chat AI spam to me:

Speaking of which, today I decided to ask ChatGPT how it was possible to find out if the text was made by it or not.
Initially, he said that as it was a language model, which does not keep history and wrote based on the information he has and the training he had, I could not say if a text was written by him or not.

But when I insisted and asked how I could find out if a text was written by an AI or not, he wrote:

Quote from: ChatGPT
Sometimes it can be difficult to tell if a text was written by a human or an artificial intelligence (AI), especially if the AI in question is well-trained and sophisticated. However, here are some tips that may help you identify if a text was generated by an AI:

Consistency: AI tends to be very consistent in its choice of words, phrases, and sentence structures. If a text seems very uniform and lacking in variation, it may be a sign that it was generated by an AI.

Speed: AI can produce large amounts of text in a short period of time. If a text seems to have been produced in an abnormally short amount of time, it may be an indicator that it was generated by an AI.

Accuracy: AI tends to be very precise and detailed in its descriptions, but may sometimes make errors due to limitations in its training or programming. If a text seems very precise and has no obvious errors, it may be a sign that it was generated by an AI.

Coherence: AI is generally very coherent in its choice of words and ideas. If a text seems to have an unusual coherence or is very well-organized and structured, it may be an indicator that it was generated by an AI.

However, it's important to remember that AI technologies are always evolving and becoming more sophisticated. Some of the most recent and advanced text generation techniques can be very difficult to distinguish from human writing.

Very interesting answer, don't you think? Perhaps we already knew all these tips, but it was interesting to analyze what the AI itself does.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: Pmalek on February 26, 2023, 02:29:56 PM
<Snip>
You could just google how to detect if a text was written by a bot or something similar. I wanted to see if ChatGPT could recommend some sources to scan if content was written by a bot and it suggested a few sites:

- Botometer
- Botcheck.me
- Fakespot

Google probably has even better suggestions.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: joker_josue on February 26, 2023, 08:29:36 PM
You could just google how to detect if a text was written by a bot or something similar. I wanted to see if ChatGPT could recommend some sources to scan if content was written by a bot and it suggested a few sites:

It could also have been reasoning to have followed.

But I just found the answer interesting, since it was in line with LoyceV comment.
Of course, as I said, these points mentioned are nothing new.

However, thanks for these tips.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: JeromeTash on February 26, 2023, 08:54:17 PM
My 6th sense tells me that this user - Rarakun (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3537147) is using ChatGPT to generate his content

Guys have a look

Nowadays i can summerize 4 main cons of polygon

Lack of differentiation: Some people might argue that Polygon doesn't offer enough unique features or benefits compared to other cryptocurrencies or blockchain platforms. They might see it as just another digital currency in a crowded market.

Lack of mainstream adoption: While Polygon has gained a following among the Ethereum community, some critics might argue that it hasn't yet gained enough widespread adoption to justify investing in it. They might argue that it's too risky to invest in a relatively new and unproven technology.

Concerns about decentralization: Some critics might argue that Polygon's reliance on Ethereum as its underlying technology means that it's not truly decentralized. They might argue that there are other blockchain platforms that offer greater levels of decentralization and security.

Technical issues: Like any technology, Polygon is not without its flaws. Some critics might point to technical issues or vulnerabilities in the system as a reason to be cautious about investing in it. They might argue that it's too early to know whether these issues will be resolved or if they will have a long-term impact on the technology's viability.

If you are not afraid of these minds, you can obviously try to invest and make money from it.

If proven that someone just copied content directly from a chatbot, I think they should permanently be banned. It's no different from copy google results and pasting them here without citing the sources.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: summonerrk on February 27, 2023, 12:13:31 PM
https://i.ibb.co/Mg382qr/Screenshot-2023-02-27-15-10-48-086-org-telegram-messenger-edit.jpg

Looks like to ask a ChatGPT about generated text its useless


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: Pmalek on February 27, 2023, 07:37:34 PM
My 6th sense tells me that this user - Rarakun (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3537147) is using ChatGPT to generate his content

Guys have a look
The posts look really good, maybe too good. But I don't want to make any hasty conclusions just by looking at two posts and without knowing anything about the person. The way to find out is by comparing the content he wrote about Polygon with whatever else he writes in other posts in the future. For now, he only has two posts. If he sounds illiterate elsewhere and can't answer simple questions that people ask him, it's quite clear he is getting help. Most probably from a bot.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: NotATether on March 02, 2023, 06:55:02 AM
A better detector than GPTZero which I found can properly detect whether a text was written by an AI or not is https://detector.dng.ai. I consider it more accurate than even OpenAI's detector because OpenAI's version has sometimes classified my human text as AI generated.

You're welcome 8)


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: LoyceV on March 02, 2023, 09:08:49 AM
A better detector than GPTZero which I found can properly detect whether a text was written by an AI or not is https://detector.dng.ai.
Some claim I'm an AI instead of human. So far, every "AI-detector" I've tried agrees with that myth. The last one I checked called me 81.4% Fake (https://loyce.club/other/AIdetected.png). "Yours" is much worse with 97%:
https://loyce.club/other/AIdetected2.png

I'm human!


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: joker_josue on March 02, 2023, 10:04:25 AM
I'm human!

Well... maybe we have to start questioning that statement.  ::)

LoyceV you have to start giving more proof that you are really human.  :P


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: Maus0728 on March 03, 2023, 03:31:38 PM
I am pretty sure that this text is A.I generated. Like come on, having a bulleted type of answer is certainly what chatGPT uses as a pattern to answer certain questions.

This is not a financial or investment advice, but a general tips on how to increase your profit if you are a crypto trader. Always make your own research and continue to increase in your knowledge

    Research and Stay Up-to-Date: Cryptocurrency markets are constantly evolving, and it's crucial to stay informed about the latest developments and trends in the industry. Follow news sources, blogs, social media influencers, and forums related to cryptocurrency trading to keep yourself updated on the latest market conditions.

    Develop a Trading Plan: It's important to have a clear strategy and plan in place before trading cryptocurrencies. This includes determining your risk tolerance, setting entry and exit points, and using stop-loss orders to minimize losses.

    Diversify Your Portfolio: It's essential to diversify your cryptocurrency portfolio to minimize your risk exposure. Invest in a mix of different cryptocurrencies to spread your risk.

    Use Technical Analysis: Technical analysis is a method of analyzing market data such as price charts and trading volumes to predict future market trends. This can help you make informed trading decisions.

    Use Trading Tools: Utilize trading tools such as bots, signals, and indicators to help you identify potential trading opportunities and automate your trading strategy.

Remember, cryptocurrency trading is inherently risky, and there are no guarantees of profitability. It's important to do your due diligence and make informed decisions based on your own risk tolerance and financial goals.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: Lucius on March 27, 2023, 10:07:47 AM
Another example of what it looks like when a bounty hunter (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2243938;sa=showPosts) decides to be smart with the help of AI.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5446324.msg61983790#msg61983790 (https://archive.ph/OYBzT)

https://i.imgur.com/q5LUrNx.png


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: Sexylizzy2813 on March 28, 2023, 02:22:11 PM
I'm human!

Well... maybe we have to start questioning that statement.  ::)

LoyceV you have to start giving more proof that you are really human.  :P

I sometimes ask if this is going to prevent something from happening to someone's account (mine especially) because when I do login I get to see that too (are you a human?), is it really safe? Just asking.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: be.open on March 28, 2023, 08:03:47 PM
Another example of what it looks like when a bounty hunter (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2243938;sa=showPosts) decides to be smart with the help of AI.
A bold statement considering the result is 100% accurate. My opinion at the moment is that it is impossible to determine with 100% certainty whether the text was written by a person or a language model if the operator of the language model has made at least minimal efforts to hide it. As a simple example, you can ask ChatGPT to be concise and try to keep within 500 characters in the answer. After that, the ChatGPT responses lose their easily recognizable external structure and become more concentrated, less watery.

Quote
Q: Explain the main advantages of bitcoin over fiat money, try to keep within 500 characters when answering.

A: Bitcoin has several advantages over fiat money. It is decentralized, meaning it is not controlled by any government or financial institution. Transactions are also faster and cheaper, as there are no intermediaries involved. Bitcoin also offers privacy and security, as it is based on cryptography. Finally, its limited supply and deflationary nature make it a good store of value and a hedge against inflation.

Q: If bitcoin offers privacy, why do we need bitcoin mixers? Keep answering as concisely as possible.

A: Bitcoin is pseudonymous, meaning transactions can be traced on the blockchain. Bitcoin mixers can increase privacy by mixing transactions with others, making it harder to trace the origin or destination of funds.

Q: How do you assess the prospects for accepting bitcoin as a global reserve currency?

A: Currently, the prospects for Bitcoin becoming a global reserve currency are uncertain due to its high volatility and lack of widespread adoption. However, if these issues can be addressed and more countries and institutions begin to accept and hold Bitcoin, it could become a viable reserve currency option in the future.

Q: How can we solve the problem of bitcoin price volatility?

A: The problem of Bitcoin price volatility can be addressed through increased adoption and market liquidity. As more individuals, businesses, and institutions begin to accept and hold Bitcoin, its price stability could improve. Additionally, the development of more sophisticated financial instruments, such as Bitcoin futures and options, could also help to reduce volatility by providing investors with more ways to hedge against price swings. Finally, increased regulatory clarity and mainstream acceptance could also help to stabilize the Bitcoin market.

It seems that in this mode of using ChatGPT, it responds approximately at the level of Satoshi Nakamoto. :)


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: joker_josue on March 28, 2023, 11:11:00 PM
Another thought I have on this subject was the following scenario: Someone use ChatGPT to translate a text.

I, for example, normally use google translator to write my posts in English. If I ask chat to do this translation, maybe it will translate a little better. Does this cease to be my text? I don't think it is any longer, but it could certainly make the text more likely to be detected as a false positive.

It is really not easy to detect what is or is not 100% AI-created text.



Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: LoyceV on March 29, 2023, 10:18:50 AM
Another thought I have on this subject was the following scenario: Someone use ChatGPT to translate a text.

I, for example, normally use google translator to write my posts in English. If I ask chat to do this translation, maybe it will translate a little better. Does this cease to be my text? I don't think it is any longer, but it could certainly make the text more likely to be detected as a false positive.

It is really not easy to detect what is or is not 100% AI-created text.
I think this covers it:
27. Using automated translation tools to post translated content in Local boards is not allowed.
It's allowed on the English boards. I think you're okay: It's plagiarism if you translate someone else's text and don't mention the original. By that logic, it can't be plagiarism if you translate your own text.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: joker_josue on March 29, 2023, 11:55:08 AM
I think this covers it:
27. Using automated translation tools to post translated content in Local boards is not allowed.
It's allowed on the English boards. I think you're okay: It's plagiarism if you translate someone else's text and don't mention the original. By that logic, it can't be plagiarism if you translate your own text.

Yes, I'm perfectly comfortable with that and I know I'm not doing anything wrong.
I'm just reflecting on the fact that AI tools can certainly translate better than Googel Translator, and this can generate even more doubts for AI text detectors.

As soon as I have a little time, I will do this test and comparison, for our more detailed analysis. ;)


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: Little Mouse on March 29, 2023, 01:26:21 PM
Yes, I'm perfectly comfortable with that and I know I'm not doing anything wrong.
I'm just reflecting on the fact that AI tools can certainly translate better than Googel Translator, and this can generate even more doubts for AI text detectors.

As soon as I have a little time, I will do this test and comparison, for our more detailed analysis. ;)
I don't know about other language translations but I'm pretty much sure that in terms of translating English to Bengali, chatGPT is the worst. Google translator does a better job than chatGPT. I had a test, just to check out and the result was horrible from chatGPT. Maybe in the next few years, chatGPT will form itself better but when I checked last time, it was a really bad experience.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: joker_josue on March 29, 2023, 01:37:41 PM
I don't know about other language translations but I'm pretty much sure that in terms of translating English to Bengali, chatGPT is the worst. Google translator does a better job than chatGPT. I had a test, just to check out and the result was horrible from chatGPT. Maybe in the next few years, chatGPT will form itself better but when I checked last time, it was a really bad experience.

That doesn't surprise me.

Good translation software is much more complex than one might imagine. Normally, it involves years of development for the result to be minimally decent. Google Translate already has many years of development that allows you to get better results, especially in less common languages.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: Supreemo on March 30, 2023, 01:10:58 AM
I don't know about other language translations but I'm pretty much sure that in terms of translating English to Bengali, chatGPT is the worst. Google translator does a better job than chatGPT. I had a test, just to check out and the result was horrible from chatGPT. Maybe in the next few years, chatGPT will form itself better but when I checked last time, it was a really bad experience.

That doesn't surprise me.

Good translation software is much more complex than one might imagine. Normally, it involves years of development for the result to be minimally decent. Google Translate already has many years of development that allows you to get better results, especially in less common languages.
i haven't tried using any other AI language translator, but years ago i've used google translate to try converting english to our local language, and it suck hahaha. until now the google translation isn't accurate but at the very least it is bearable to read. sometimes I translate difficult english words before constructing simple local sentence.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: LoyceV on April 23, 2023, 08:43:05 AM
I found another AI chat shitposter: Edcrypto91 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3529940):
Hi Guys i have 2 addresses not sure what the balance is, but i have the private key which begins with Letter K one has 49 characters and the other has 54 can anyone help?
You should exercise caution if your Bitcoin address contains any typos because doing so could result in the loss of your money.

You can attempt to fix the missing characters in your Bitcoin address by following these steps:

1. Look through your files: Look through any files you may have containing the address, such as purchase receipts or notes, to see if you can locate the missing characters.

2. Experiment with variations: If you're unclear of the missing characters, you might attempt several address variations. For instance, you can try adding various letter and number combinations until you find the right address if the last few characters are missing.
You should exercise caution if your Bitcoin address contains any typos because doing so could result in the loss of your money.

You can attempt to fix the missing characters in your Bitcoin address by following these steps:

1. Look through your files: Look through any files you may have containing the address, such as purchase receipts or notes, to see if you can locate the missing characters.

2. Experiment with variations: If you're unclear of the missing characters, you might attempt several address variations. For instance, you can try adding various letter and number combinations until you find the right address if the last few characters are missing.
You could possibly use a reliable online recovery tool
It's also completely off-topic.

He's spitting out AI crap as fast as his 30 Activity account allowes. See his post history (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3529940;sa=showPosts).

I've reported 3 of his posts. I hope he'll be banned, but just in case I've left neutral feedback. Spammers should stay away from the tech boards!


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: light_warrior on April 23, 2023, 02:01:28 PM
Here is also a very suspicious user MIner1448 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2132496). His posts look too much like the text that AI generated. If you look at his list of posts, almost all of his recent posts are a product of AI. At least it seems that way to me. I could be wrong. But it's very beautifully written.

Example

It should be noted that all investments are associated with risks, including cryptocurrencies. Therefore, when deciding which cryptocurrency to invest in, you need to take into account not only its growth potential, but also its risks.
Regarding BTC and ETH price growth forecasts, it is worth noting that all such forecasts are only assumptions and cannot guarantee future results.
ETH has its advantages over BTC, as it is not only a cryptocurrency, but also a platform for building blockchain-based decentralized applications. Also, unlike BTC, ETH has a hybrid protection model that provides greater security against attacks on the blockchain.
As far as portfolio diversification is concerned, it may be a good idea to reduce the risks. You can consider investing in other cryptocurrencies such as Litecoin, Ripple, Bitcoin Cash, etc. However, before investing in any cryptocurrency, you need to do your own research and evaluate the risks and potential returns.

You need to ban such people.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: LoyceV on April 29, 2023, 08:04:18 AM
And another AI chat shitposter is was polluting the tech board: GHOST Buster (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3494156) Banned!.
Examples of his generic long redundant largely off-topic posts:
Algorithms using RingCT and Dandelion++ technologies allow for simultaneous transaction privacy and protection against traffic analysis. Let's consider various types of transfers: P2C (from an individual to a company), O2O (from one individual to another), B2C (from a company to an individual), and B2B (from one company to another).

For P2C transfers, it is recommended to use simple wallets that do not require the involvement of third-party services such as exchanges. Users can buy BTC directly from another individual, giving them cash, and then receive the coins on their private wallet. Alternatively, a user in the Dominican Republic can sell their coins to another individual for cash.

For O2O transfers, simple wallets can also be used, but in this case, users can exchange coins directly without using third-party company services.

For B2C transfers, companies can use specialized wallets that allow for more complex operations such as multiple inputs and outputs. This can result in higher transaction fees, but can also reduce risks for the company.

For B2B transfers, it is also recommended to use specialized wallets that allow for multiple inputs and outputs. In this case, depending on the specific needs of the companies, different algorithms and technologies can be used to ensure transaction security and privacy.

The mathematical solution can be based on an analysis of transaction fees, which may vary depending on the type of wallet, type of transaction, number of inputs and outputs, address types, and other factors. To choose the most optimal solution, the costs of fees and the risks associated with using third-party services should be evaluated.

You're spot on. The safety of your coins depends on keeping both your seed phrase and passphrase secure and in different locations. If you lose either one, you won't be able to access your coins.
When generating a new seed phrase, it's advisable to use a trustworthy and secure wallet that has undergone rigorous testing and auditing. Also, be sure to verify the wallet address you're using to avoid being scammed by phishing.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: LoyceV on April 30, 2023, 05:11:02 PM
Full Member zanezane (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1047251) returned after 2 years, and changed from short posts to excessively detailed posts. He's suddenly "answering" many questions on the tech boards.

Thoughts on this? I'd say it looks like generit chat AI diarrhoea:
Downloading the blockchain isa resource-intensive process that requires a lot of bandwidth and time. Doing so over a public WiFi network increases the chances of the download getting interrupted, resulting in wasted time and bandwidth. and also could potentially violate the network's terms and service, which could lead to legal consequences.

It is very important to note that you should only discard your old wallet once you have you confirmed that ll of your funds have been successfully transferred to your new wallet. You should also make sure to securely erase any sensitive information that may be stored on your old wallet to prevent unauthorized access.

Make sure to store your passphrase in a secure location, such as a password manager or a physical safe, to prevent it from falling into the wrong hands.
Red parts: I suspect he added those typos on purpose.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: examplens on May 02, 2023, 11:20:37 PM
I hope he'll be banned, but just in case I've left neutral feedback. Spammers should stay away from the tech boards!

what is the final consensus for the members who fill us with AI-generated content?
In addition to spam and considering that the content they present to us is not originally written by them, whether the red tag is appropriate in such cases? or even a request for a ban?


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: LoyceV on May 03, 2023, 12:18:57 PM
what is the final consensus for the members who fill us with AI-generated content?
In addition to spam and considering that the content they present to us is not originally written by them, whether the red tag is appropriate in such cases? or even a request for a ban?
I don't think there's consensus. My take:
-neutral tag
-report (some get banned, some don't)

The system is for handling trade risk, not for flagging people for good/bad posts/personalities/ideas.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: ChuckBuck on May 03, 2023, 12:55:20 PM
My take:
-neutral tag
-report (some get banned, some don't)
I don't disagree with your opinion, but what do you think about their cheating purpose. Apparently, they use AI to write for them, and its purpose is monetize bounty campaigns. Is this equivalent to using multiple accounts to cheat? You know, if you only use one account, it's not necessary for you to use AI to write instead, although it may not be relevant, but the possibility of them using AI to cheat with multiple accounts still exists. What do you think about this issue? I want to know more about your opinion  ;D


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: Supreemo on May 03, 2023, 10:46:29 PM
My take:
-neutral tag
-report (some get banned, some don't)
I don't disagree with your opinion, but what do you think about their cheating purpose. Apparently, they use AI to write for them, and its purpose is monetize bounty campaigns. Is this equivalent to using multiple accounts to cheat? You know, if you only use one account, it's not necessary for you to use AI to write instead, although it may not be relevant, but the possibility of them using AI to cheat with multiple accounts still exists. What do you think about this issue? I want to know more about your opinion  ;D
if it happens that their case is heavy then they can be banned on the spot in my personal opinion. anyway i think it is easier to notice the posts generated through AI since the answer to some topics are somehow inconsistent to some extent so it is much easier to spot, also adding those overly excessive usage of grammars and too much flowery words.

tsk tsk people really nowadays are searching for ways to be more lazy.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: PowerGlove on May 03, 2023, 11:43:13 PM
Thoughts on this? I'd say it looks like generit chat AI diarrhoea:
Downloading the blockchain isa resource-intensive process that requires a lot of bandwidth and time. Doing so over a public WiFi network increases the chances of the download getting interrupted, resulting in wasted time and bandwidth. and also could potentially violate the network's terms and service, which could lead to legal consequences.
Yup, my AI shitpost spidey-sense is tingling, too.

Red parts: I suspect he added those typos on purpose.
Looks like he also changed the comma after "wasted time and bandwidth" into a period (creating a new sentence starting with a lowercase "and"), and likely changed "terms of service" into "terms and service".

Much sneaky, so wow. :)



Here's another (more obvious) one I spotted:

If you have impregnated a girl, it's important to take responsibility for your actions and handle the situation maturely and respectfully. Here are some steps you can take:

Have a conversation with the girl: Talk to her about the pregnancy, how she is feeling, and what her plans are. It's important to listen to her and take her feelings and wishes into consideration.

Discuss your options: You and the girl should discuss your options for the pregnancy, which may include keeping the baby, adoption, or termination. It's important to make a decision that is right for both of you.

Support the girl: Pregnancy can be a difficult and emotional time, so it's important to support the girl in any way you can. This may include attending doctor's appointments with her, helping her with household chores, or just being there to listen and offer emotional support.

Take responsibility: If you and the girl decide to keep the baby, it's important to take responsibility for your role as a parent. This means being involved in the child's life, providing emotional and financial support, and being a positive role model.

Remember, having a baby is a big responsibility, but it can also be a joyous and rewarding experience. By taking responsibility for your actions and working together with the girl, you can create a positive outcome for everyone involved.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: ChuckBuck on May 04, 2023, 01:20:08 AM
anyway i think it is easier to notice the posts generated through AI since the answer to some topics are somehow inconsistent to some extent so it is much easier to spot, also adding those overly excessive usage of grammars and too much flowery words.
On this part, it's not a good idea to ban someone from using AI to write, I agree with LoyceV on this point. Everyone has a different way of expressing themselves, so we cannot catch someone else's fault through words, nothing is 100%. I'm emphasizing the point, these people can use AI to cheat with multiple accounts, and I want to know LoyceV's view. It's certainly not a strange thing, cheating always has a purpose  ::)


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: coin-investor on May 04, 2023, 11:33:37 PM
i think it is easier to notice the posts generated through AI since the answer to some topics are somehow inconsistent to some extent so it is much easier to spot, also adding those overly excessive usage of grammars and too much flowery words.

tsk tsk people really nowadays are searching for ways to be more lazy.

Even before the creation of these GPT, there are posters that use excessive grammar and flowery words as they call, it will generalize these posters and they are being accused of something that they've been doing ever since long before these AI are created, you have to give them a benefit of a doubt and present a shred of strong evidence that these users are indeed users of AI


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: examplens on May 05, 2023, 10:54:15 AM
anyway i think it is easier to notice the posts generated through AI since the answer to some topics are somehow inconsistent to some extent so it is much easier to spot, also adding those overly excessive usage of grammars and too much flowery words.
On this part, it's not a good idea to ban someone from using AI to write, I agree with LoyceV on this point. Everyone has a different way of expressing themselves, so we cannot catch someone else's fault through words, nothing is 100%. I'm emphasizing the point, these people can use AI to cheat with multiple accounts, and I want to know LoyceV's view. It's certainly not a strange thing, cheating always has a purpose  ::)

I don't think that the primary problem here is their cheating and whether they will enter with multiple accounts into the bounty of some garbage token. Managers should take care of that, they are paid for it.
The bigger problem here is that they tire us with their "flowery words", which makes the discussion completely pointless. We read a bunch of such crap until we come to a constructive post. Isn't that completely opposite to what this forum is aiming for?


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on May 05, 2023, 01:44:51 PM
I found another AI chat shitposter: Edcrypto91 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3529940):
<snip>
Jeez, am I reading the situation correctly, that these apparently AI-generated posts are getting "better"?  I didn't look at this thread when it was originally started, but I just read the example from the OP and those posts are so obviously bot-written that they couldn't be anything else.  But I don't know, even though the content of Edcrypto91's post doesn't hold water if you take a minute to think about it, I can see how it would easily slip by mods and even members dedicated to reporting shitposters. 

If I didn't read that shit closely, I might even have given it a merit or two, and that's scary to me.  I'm going to really have to pay attention to whether posts make logical sense or not before I even consider meriting them.  I'll admit I often skim posts and judge whether there was at least some thought and effort into them and hand out merits without scrutinizing their substance.  Yikes.

Question: Has this become a rampant problem here?  I've seen several threads dealing with AI stuff, but I don't have a feel for how it's being abused or to what extent.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: ChuckBuck on May 06, 2023, 02:31:59 AM
Question: Has this become a rampant problem here?  I've seen several threads dealing with AI stuff, but I don't have a feel for how it's being abused or to what extent.
I guess yes, I know a few people who have used AI to build their thread on another site, through constant commenting by multiple accounts. The AI is really doing this well and their job is just copy and paste. I'm not sure if this really affects this forum, but it could well be a concern like what's been out there, for example account farming.

Even before the creation of these GPT, there are posters that use excessive grammar and flowery words as they call
Why do you feel uncomfortable when they use flowery words? I thought people would prefer nice things over vulgar words  :P just kidding


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: joker_josue on May 06, 2023, 07:37:18 AM
Jeez, am I reading the situation correctly, that these apparently AI-generated posts are getting "better"? 

No doubt they are getting better.

For example, Bing's AI chat allows a person to select a text on a page, created by a human, and ask him to make an explanation about that text. Then the AI will rewrite that text, add some more information it finds online. The fact that this text contains phrases written by a human makes everything much more realistic and difficult to detect that it was done by an AI.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: logfiles on May 10, 2023, 08:38:22 PM
It seems this guy (Games.Bitcoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1264187)) is using ChatGPT to generate replies. He made a reply in one of the posts I had made asking something about Bitcoin, but it seemingly looked off-topic.

My question was: What are the effects of lowering the average Bitcoin block confirmation time? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5452167.0)

The reply;
Lowering the average Bitcoin block confirmation time could have several potential effects, both positive and negative:

Faster Transactions: The most obvious benefit of a lower confirmation time is that transactions would be confirmed more quickly. This would allow users to send and receive Bitcoin more efficiently, which could improve overall transaction throughput and user experience.

Higher Transaction Fees: A lower confirmation time could lead to an increase in transaction fees, as users may be willing to pay more to have their transactions confirmed more quickly. This could make Bitcoin transactions more expensive, especially during times of high network activity.

Increased Risk of Double Spending: A shorter confirmation time could increase the risk of double spending, where a user spends the same Bitcoin twice. This is because a shorter confirmation time gives attackers less time to launch a double spending attack before the transaction is confirmed.

Increased Network Congestion: A shorter confirmation time could also lead to increased network congestion, as more transactions would need to be processed in a shorter period of time. This could lead to longer wait times for users, higher transaction fees, and a higher risk of transaction failures.

Overall, lowering the average Bitcoin block confirmation time could improve the speed and efficiency of Bitcoin transactions, but it could also lead to higher transaction fees, increased network congestion, and a higher risk of double spending. Any changes to the Bitcoin protocol should be carefully considered and thoroughly tested to ensure that they do not have any unintended consequences.

The reply quite similar to what ChatGPT would say
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/07/19/ZOWp8.png

More of his replies in other posts are similar
1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5450986.msg62216705#msg62216705
2. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5441656.msg62216546#msg62216546
3. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5446911.msg62213155#msg62213155
4. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5451835.msg62209569#msg62209569

And many more of his posts


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: Sandra_hakeem on May 10, 2023, 09:46:06 PM
Jeez, am I reading the situation correctly, that these apparently AI-generated posts are getting "better"?
What did you expect from such a popular brand like that??...the likes of chat GPt and bing AI? It's been explicitly made and is susceptible to every best version of change that could improve it untill in its finesse. I believe MS has got a dream to make 'em bots really authentic that it becomes impossible to tell the differences between a bot and a human; so literally, bots be doing jobs like script writing and uhhhh, many will end up losing Thier jobs at the end.
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Question: Has this become a rampant problem here?  I've seen several threads dealing with AI stuff, but I don't have a feel for how it's being abused or to what extent.
It has.... Maybe You wouldn't know if you never got into this thread. Sometimes, it's not abused the way you think; peeps really need this authenticity and that's the big impossibilities AIs can't make possible. They just can't....lmao

Sandra 🧑‍🦰


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: zanezane on May 12, 2023, 09:30:31 PM
Full Member zanezane (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1047251) returned after 2 years, and changed from short posts to excessively detailed posts. He's suddenly "answering" many questions on the tech boards.

Thoughts on this? I'd say it looks like generit chat AI diarrhoea:
Downloading the blockchain isa resource-intensive process that requires a lot of bandwidth and time. Doing so over a public WiFi network increases the chances of the download getting interrupted, resulting in wasted time and bandwidth. and also could potentially violate the network's terms and service, which could lead to legal consequences.

It is very important to note that you should only discard your old wallet once you have you confirmed that ll of your funds have been successfully transferred to your new wallet. You should also make sure to securely erase any sensitive information that may be stored on your old wallet to prevent unauthorized access.

Make sure to store your passphrase in a secure location, such as a password manager or a physical safe, to prevent it from falling into the wrong hands.
Red parts: I suspect he added those typos on purpose.
Some of my replies are opinion based and adding some of knowledge and also experience if I can. I am trying to research also just to add my knowledge about the topic and learn from people's experience. Sorry if u think me that way. I am not sure if you guys can understand my grammar from some of my replies. I dont know everything so I research. Im just making myself clear. Thank you


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: logfiles on May 12, 2023, 10:41:07 PM
Some of my replies are opinion based
Some? How about the others?

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I am trying to research also just to add my knowledge about the topic
That's not worth it, my friend. It's not like it's an exam. If you are not sure about something. Just let it slide, or read what other members have responded. If you don't understand the input. You can always ask.

and learn from people's experience. Sorry if u think me that way. I am not sure if you guys can understand my grammar from some of my replies. I dont know everything so I research. Im just making myself clear. Thank you
You are not being crucified here because of your grammar. It's just a suspicion that you could be using an AI to generate texts based on your posting history. Worst thing is that you are trying to respond to topics that you have less info about.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: ABCbits on May 13, 2023, 10:49:58 AM
I found a user spamming technical board using ChatGPT. While i didn't use AI checker, it's common information that older ChatGPT has information up to September 2021[1]. And IIRC sentence "As of my last knowledge update in September 2021 ..." is template sentence when chatGPT unable to make answer[2-3].

As of my last knowledge update in September 2021, there is no specific information available about "Ordinal NFTs." It's possible that Ordinal NFTs may have been created or introduced after my knowledge cutoff date. NFTs (Non-Fungible Tokens) are unique digital assets that are recorded on a blockchain, typically the Ethereum blockchain. They can represent various forms of digital or physical items, such as artwork, collectibles, virtual real estate, and more.



[1] https://www.pcmag.com/news/the-new-chatgpt-what-you-get-with-gpt-4-vs-gpt-35 (https://www.pcmag.com/news/the-new-chatgpt-what-you-get-with-gpt-4-vs-gpt-35)


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: zanezane on May 13, 2023, 02:23:47 PM
Some of my replies are opinion based
Some? How about the others?
Some are from my research. Mostly I am adding opinion and experience.

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I am trying to research also just to add my knowledge about the topic
That's not worth it, my friend. It's not like it's an exam. If you are not sure about something. Just let it slide, or read what other members have responded. If you don't understand the input. You can always ask.
I'll do my best next time I post and also I am posting what I understand. thanks for the heads up.

and learn from people's experience. Sorry if u think me that way. I am not sure if you guys can understand my grammar from some of my replies. I dont know everything so I research. Im just making myself clear. Thank you
You are not being crucified here because of your grammar. It's just a suspicion that you could be using an AI to generate texts based on your posting history. Worst thing is that you are trying to respond to topics that you have less info about.
As I was saying, I am trying to be helpful and share what I research about, and I understand it. I am reading also other members replies but some of them are complicated and hard to understand so I am making it that everyone could understand. Again thank you for confronting me.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: jokers10 on May 15, 2023, 11:08:40 AM
Here is also a very suspicious user MIner1448 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2132496). His posts look too much like the text that AI generated. If you look at his list of posts, almost all of his recent posts are a product of AI. At least it seems that way to me. I could be wrong. But it's very beautifully written.

Example

It should be noted that all investments are associated with risks, including cryptocurrencies. Therefore, when deciding which cryptocurrency to invest in, you need to take into account not only its growth potential, but also its risks.
Regarding BTC and ETH price growth forecasts, it is worth noting that all such forecasts are only assumptions and cannot guarantee future results.
ETH has its advantages over BTC, as it is not only a cryptocurrency, but also a platform for building blockchain-based decentralized applications. Also, unlike BTC, ETH has a hybrid protection model that provides greater security against attacks on the blockchain.
As far as portfolio diversification is concerned, it may be a good idea to reduce the risks. You can consider investing in other cryptocurrencies such as Litecoin, Ripple, Bitcoin Cash, etc. However, before investing in any cryptocurrency, you need to do your own research and evaluate the risks and potential returns.

You need to ban such people.

Oh, this one is from my collection of users which likely use AI or any other sort of automated posting. AI detectors confirm last texts of these users (and MIner1448) are AI generated:
Ataiwo913 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3540408;sa=showPosts)
JayTrain (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=496743;sa=showPosts)
touseefahmad1999 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2661529;sa=showPosts)
SuperStone (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3475318;sa=showPosts)


When there will be any consensus what to do with that, we'll have a big collection I guess. ;D


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: LoyceV on June 16, 2023, 04:51:43 AM
Full Member Ozero (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1170893) caught my attention by posting detailed events, names and dates without any reference:
Germany is implementing a plan to phase out nuclear energy, adopted back in 2011. The last three nuclear power plants in the country were due to close at the end of 2022. But the situation was changed by Russia's full-scale military invasion of Ukraine. Russian gas deliveries to Germany stopped, and there was a danger of an energy crisis. As a result, Chancellor Olaf Scholz ordered to extend the life of the nuclear power plant until mid-April 2023.

The decision to phase out nuclear power was significantly affected by the disaster at the Fukushima-1 nuclear power plant in Japan in 2011. Therefore, such a decision of the government was made taking into account security and combating the consequences of global climate change in favor of the transition to "green" energy.
However, as the survey showed, about 65 percent of Germans are against the complete cessation of all nuclear power plants.
This user suddenly switched from short Russian posts to longer English posts the moment he applied for a bounty campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2620095.msg27590790#msg27590790) 5 years ago.

I'd like to see a second opinion on this user :)


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: light_warrior on June 16, 2023, 05:57:54 AM
Full Member Ozero (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1170893) caught my attention by posting detailed events, names and dates without any reference:
Germany is implementing a plan to phase out nuclear energy, adopted back in 2011. The last three nuclear power plants in the country were due to close at the end of 2022. But the situation was changed by Russia's full-scale military invasion of Ukraine. Russian gas deliveries to Germany stopped, and there was a danger of an energy crisis. As a result, Chancellor Olaf Scholz ordered to extend the life of the nuclear power plant until mid-April 2023.

The decision to phase out nuclear power was significantly affected by the disaster at the Fukushima-1 nuclear power plant in Japan in 2011. Therefore, such a decision of the government was made taking into account security and combating the consequences of global climate change in favor of the transition to "green" energy.
However, as the survey showed, about 65 percent of Germans are against the complete cessation of all nuclear power plants.
This user suddenly switched from short Russian posts to longer English posts the moment he applied for a bounty campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2620095.msg27590790#msg27590790) 5 years ago.

I'd like to see a second opinion on this user :)

This is most likely a paraphrase of an article published on Deutsche Welle on April 14, 2023, using some kind of automatic paraphraser, or it is possible that it was paraphrased by AI. I don't know whether such text can be considered plagiarism or not. Maybe someone else will look at the article and compare it to his text, and give an opinion?

Here is the link to the article https://www.dw.com/en/germany-shuts-down-its-last-nuclear-power-stations/a-65249019


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: lovesmayfamilis on June 16, 2023, 11:44:01 AM

I'd like to see a second opinion on this user :)

There is nothing surprising. The user, as he was Russian-speaking, remained. More precisely, he is Ukrainian, and the events of today, as well as the need to participate in a subscription company, force him to write in English.
I don't think it's the use of AI or other tools. These people, who are inside the events of the war, constantly monitor the news taking place in their country, and I think it is not a problem for them to retell the events in English.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: LoyceV on July 07, 2023, 06:19:22 PM
How about ICYNOTE2023 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3564055)?
Yes, I'm familiar with Libbitcoin. Libbitcoin is an open-source C++ Bitcoin library that provides a variety of functionalities for developers to work with the Bitcoin protocol. It offers a set of tools, APIs, and cryptographic primitives to interact with the Bitcoin network and build Bitcoin-related applications. Libbitcoin aims to provide a flexible and modular framework for developers to create their own Bitcoin software, ranging from lightweight wallets to full nodes. It supports various features such as key management, transaction creation and validation, scripting, networking, and blockchain analysis.  :D

This user also posts "questions" everywhere, which is a low-effort method of pretending to be interested, straight from the Newbie spammer handbook:
Vanity Bitcoin Address can using VGA for processing?? or only using CPU??
is this legal visa for international? or only usa?
can you give information issued??
iPhone 14 Pro Max sale $700 USD? are you kidding? where are you shipping this iphone? need custom?
how to making paypal account using your name? if your ID not know?
maybe you have paypal account with negative balance, right?
what do you thing about 12 mnemonic and only remember 7 words?
is there possible to recovery?
does Electrum work with Sparrow wallet? or even sparrow wallet is a subsidiary of electrum?
do you have access to your bitcoin wallet? or are you just given a promise and it's not your bitcoin wallet, but the wallet that belongs to the person you invested in?  :o
I want to ask about this software, does it use CPU or GPU? or can use both? can i contact you further?  ;D

I've left neutral feedback.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: light_warrior on July 08, 2023, 01:18:51 PM
Behavior of this user similar with user icynote_original[1] which i reported few days ago[2]. And that post actually is plagiarized[3], although i can't report since it's already deleted.

There are services like ninjastic and Loyce.club. His post was preserved there, anyway. Isn't it possible to provide a link to the post from these archives as proof? And I also wanted to ask, is not the person who used similar to someone else's account name, imposter? I think they can even get banned on the forum for such a thing. No?


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: nakamura12 on July 08, 2023, 04:36:43 PM
Love your optimism, not going to happen. Even blatant plagiarists aren't getting banned, let alone word salad shitposters. This would require actual engagement from moderators - like reading the board they're responsible for and deleting/banning without waiting for reports. I haven't seen that happening since frodo was cleaning tech boards and FH in P&S.
That's right but if they aren't getting banned then at least the posts that they have made should be deleted in my opinion as ai think they are posting just to meet the minimum or maximum required of posts per week or per day. If I am able to delete the post then that's what I will do but the only thing we can do is to report it and wait for mods to delete it. If they are getting banned then I think it would be temporarily but I don't know how long it will be and the next time they are doing the same thing would be much longer until the third time would be permanent. I think that would be fair enough.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: ICYNOTE2023 on July 08, 2023, 04:47:00 PM
How about ICYNOTE2023 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3564055)?
Yes, I'm familiar with Libbitcoin. Libbitcoin is an open-source C++ Bitcoin library that provides a variety of functionalities for developers to work with the Bitcoin protocol. It offers a set of tools, APIs, and cryptographic primitives to interact with the Bitcoin network and build Bitcoin-related applications. Libbitcoin aims to provide a flexible and modular framework for developers to create their own Bitcoin software, ranging from lightweight wallets to full nodes. It supports various features such as key management, transaction creation and validation, scripting, networking, and blockchain analysis.  :D

This user also posts "questions" everywhere, which is a low-effort method of pretending to be interested, straight from the Newbie spammer handbook:
Vanity Bitcoin Address can using VGA for processing?? or only using CPU??
is this legal visa for international? or only usa?
can you give information issued??
iPhone 14 Pro Max sale $700 USD? are you kidding? where are you shipping this iphone? need custom?
how to making paypal account using your name? if your ID not know?
maybe you have paypal account with negative balance, right?
what do you thing about 12 mnemonic and only remember 7 words?
is there possible to recovery?
does Electrum work with Sparrow wallet? or even sparrow wallet is a subsidiary of electrum?
do you have access to your bitcoin wallet? or are you just given a promise and it's not your bitcoin wallet, but the wallet that belongs to the person you invested in?  :o
I want to ask about this software, does it use CPU or GPU? or can use both? can i contact you further?  ;D

I've left neutral feedback.

WHAT IS FUNCTION THIS FORUM?  FORBIDDEN TO ASK?  :o


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: ICYNOTE2023 on July 09, 2023, 04:29:32 AM
I've left neutral feedback.

LoyceV, I also want to note that this is the alt account of the user icynote_original, who also spammed using the chatbot and was banned recently for plagiarism:

No one should deal with icynote_original
I noticed him spamming the tech boards with chatbot shitposts, but didn't have time to report him this morning. I'm glad to see he's banned already, and at least 10 of his posts have been deleted.

These accounts were registered at the same time and use the same style of writing in their posts:

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/07/08/ZCvzT.png


All these accounts belong to a scammer and fake wallet seller, humerh3 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=980573).

https://prnt.sc/FVNIs3zrus78
LOOK AT EVERYBODY,
SHE LIKE THE OWNER OF THIS FORUM.
DROP ME. WHEN I AM THIS IS A PUBLIC FORUM, NOT HER.
Hi MODERATORS. I AM NOT LOOKING FOR POST NUMBER HERE. IF NEED, EVERY POST I DO NOT NEED YOU TO ADD BECOME A NEWBIE, MEMBER OR ANYTHING. HERE I WANT TO LEARN, NOT TO ADD POSTS.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: light_warrior on July 09, 2023, 04:52:15 AM
https://prnt.sc/FVNIs3zrus78
LOOK AT EVERYBODY,
SHE LIKE THE OWNER OF THIS FORUM.
DROP ME. WHEN I AM THIS IS A PUBLIC FORUM, NOT HER.
Hi MODERATORS. I AM NOT LOOKING FOR POST NUMBER HERE. IF NEED, EVERY POST I DO NOT NEED YOU TO ADD BECOME A NEWBIE, MEMBER OR ANYTHING. HERE I WANT TO LEARN, NOT TO ADD POSTS.

You're really something. Posting personal messages to the public without consulting the person with whom you are corresponding is unethical, to say the least. That's why they are personal messages. And you, my friend, have violated forum rules (p. 29). You sent the person an unsolicited personal message. That's why he told you to go fuck yourself. And rightly so. You have it written on your forehead that you are alt humerh3.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: ABCbits on July 10, 2023, 09:59:35 AM
Behavior of this user similar with user icynote_original[1] which i reported few days ago[2]. And that post actually is plagiarized[3], although i can't report since it's already deleted.

There are services like ninjastic and Loyce.club. His post was preserved there, anyway. Isn't it possible to provide a link to the post from these archives as proof?

I doubt it since i don't remember anyone got banned due to plagiarism with proof from 3rd party archive (whether it's Ninjastic, Loyce.Club or cached page from search engine).

And I also wanted to ask, is not the person who used similar to someone else's account name, imposter? I think they can even get banned on the forum for such a thing. No?

I agree with you, but moderator usually only act when more solid proof is available.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: ICYNOTE2023 on July 10, 2023, 04:27:27 PM
You're really something. Posting personal messages to the public without consulting the person with whom you are corresponding is unethical, to say the least. That's why they are personal messages. And you, my friend, have violated forum rules (p. 29). You sent the person an unsolicited personal message. That's why he told you to go fuck yourself. And rightly so. You have it written on your forehead that you are alt humerh3.

 :D

This idiot writes me a PM from every alt accounts where he pretends not to understand why he got a negative tag. I once warned him not to write to me again, but he is apparently very stupid, he doesn’t understand the first time. If he writes further, he will receive the same in response, I blacklist all his alt accounts in PM.


Lol, does anyone else doubt that these are all alts of the same person? :D

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/07/09/ZGYGm.png
https://web.archive.org/web/20230709082234/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3564055
https://web.archive.org/web/20230709082433/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3564059


you say i'm stupid? you are a dog. even worse than a dog. ha ha ha ha.....  ::)

I said I'm not hamer3, if you're not a dog or an idiot, please check the IP that I'm using is the same as hammer3? just like that you are stupid, saying others are stupid.


Title: Re: Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator. Can they be banned on the spot?
Post by: joker_josue on July 10, 2023, 06:17:02 PM
I said I'm not hamer3, if you're not a dog or an idiot, please check the IP that I'm using is the same as hammer3? just like that you are stupid, saying others are stupid.

Since when does IP prove they're not the same person?
It is possible to use the same PC and access the same site at the same time, with different IPs. Just use VPN... very simple to do that.