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 Suppose I need Lasik surgery and see from a long distance. Assuming my eyes are very bad, and I need people to pay for my surgery, 3k.
What do I need to show if I open the donation thread here? Do I need to provide eye problems documents from birth?
I see that the donation thread of Yahoo was taken down. Is it because he failed to provide these documents for Moderators when  they ask?
Happy to receive more information regarding the cause of the closure.

Did mod was pming him  to send evidence of food expenses/Hospital bills like  quote And he didn't send anything?
Is this why closure happened?


Quote:

I do not think you can make a donation topic for you because that would be begging. Afaik other members organized the donation for yahoo and it was not a formal thing but something some members did out the kindness of their heart. I think it helps that yahoo is a long time member who has contributed a lot and they were not looking for the donation at the start and only did because people wanted too. I think if they opened up a topic looking for donations it would have been removed by the mods.

I hope I do not offend but this is your 1st post asking for a donation from a newly created account will certainly be removed. Yahoo has 1 of the best reputations on the forum and has been a member for years and does not need to provide proof because other members wanted to donate to him before he put a address in the topic.

yahoo posted the reason https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5430104.340 they got told by a mod to remove the address so I guess it was not allowed.

He does not share the complete reason, only that they asked him to remove it. It was active for veryyy  a long time until yesterday.
This why I ask what exact cause about what happened.
If the user needs treatment like this, he should  be able to post and ask for donations.
I completely against closure if he he provides the documents.
Therefore, I ask if the closure. Is it lack of evidence?




If I need some of these treatment it will be cool if I will be able to ask donation here:




 Do I  need to provide supporting documents and it will  be ok then?

Nothing can assure anything. All you need is trust/reputation from the forum users. Your words should be more trusted than documents and be that guy, though such things directly don't exist in the forum. I was responsible for the verification of such a case during the Covid-19 pandemic for giving a donation. If someone/an organization is donating, you can go to them and provide documents.

Moderator thinks yahoo62278 is breaking the forum rules. That's what yahoo said. I can't imagine there was something that was against forum rules. The purpose of the thread was to ensure everyone should go through a health check-up. Donation was a totally partial thing there.

I think it should be fine if provides enough evidence. Maybe mod was pming him and didn´t provide that?
Asking for mod answers. If mods are kind enough for the situation of the man they should allow it.
Any other answer that not coming from mod is not helpful for me.

Social jealousy, that is one of the reasons I think.
Imagine how many reputable and trusted members are currently on the forum and 10% of them are interested in creating a donation thread for themselves for whatever financial reason they face, don't you think that would be annoying.

Then as well as many other users including non-reputable newbie who have financial constraints come and do the same, it's sure to keep the forum filled with private donation thread. Moderators may just want to prevent this kind of thing from becoming a future trend among forum users because at the same time they need to be neutral towards all users.

Anyways the main purpose of the thread wasn't about donations but somehow yahoo posted his bitcoin address there (I didn't follow the progress of the thread) which then made mod ask him to delete via pm.

I don't think so, it won't change the policy on raising donation for yourself.

In some cases, I also don't really understand the exact rules as long as donation threads are freely published on several boards, for example raising donations to help other members, someone outside the forum, or an invitation to help disaster victims.

Any answer not from the mod is not helpful to me.
We can avoid closure only if we know the reason behind it without guessings.


Only this guy can provide real answer: hilariousandco (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=164822)

Well I may not want to go into details of this your topic but, all I since is begging.
You can't wake-up a day crying out loudly for help or donations being a newbie in the forum without being a reputable member or sole contributor to the forum and before such could be possible there must be at least another user from same locality with you to attest to your claims of being a patient or victims of what you are presenting to people. Unlike Yahoo, there were few people who knew about his illness which they also replied and attested to it.

As far as I know @yahoo62278, just making a thread about his current 'life journey' with heart disease that he reported and told, nothing more.

Anyway @yahoo62278 already said it about the donation.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5430104.msg61464844#msg61464844

Does he ask for help directly to users here. of course not, only members have the sincerity to donate to @yahoo62278, it is their right as long as they want to give, without any element of coercion. Is not it.

Try to think positive, @yahoo62278 one of the campaign managers here, he has hired many members, not a mistake, for those who want to make a small donation for him $10-$50 for the suffering he experienced.

Do we need proof @yahoo62278 in the hospital, what is it for. did he ask for a full donation for his heart surgery to the members here, he just told his life story, believe it or not it depends on the members themselves.
You donate will be calculated later for kindness and if you don't donate it will not be counted later, you do good all in return, regardless of everything you say.

You give, it's your right and you don't want to give your rights, everyone here is an adult, Of course you can think about what is good and what is bad before giving something to others, try to be professional and think positively.

I think yahoo62278 deserves the necessary help he/she needs to survive the health problems as long as its true. He is a longtime member who has supported this forum in his own way.
The money involved isn't a small one. Extraordinary claim requires extraordinary proof  and once enough proofs are provided the forum must rally around one of its own to help him/her survive. Life is worth more than the amount he/she is asking for. He could also be helped to get the desired treated/cured at the fraction of the cost or free of charge. Nothing is impossible
It will be really sad to see another important member vanish just like that.



In regards to begging accusation, why would you call someone who really needs help a begger? What? Is something wrong with you? That's childish and should never be used for people who really needs help from us. And don't ever call people who aren't really begging beggars: Here is a Wikipedia definition of begging:

Begging (also panhandling) is the practice of imploring others to grant a favor, often a gift of money, with little or no expectation of reciprocation. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging



May GOD help yahoo62278 who has been kind to many of us in the past.

It was essentially a begging thread which obviously isn't allowed and I think the no begging rule is one of the oldest here. I'm suspired nobody reported it earlier to be honest. If it was made by any other account it would have been reported half a dozen times and trashed within an hour of being posted. It's really not about providing sufficient proof of illness or whatnot. I don't know if you're trying to make a point of something with this thread but it's a good example of what would be wrong with allowing begging threads because everyone would then try them for all afflictions major and minor; real or fantasy. It would then become the oppression Olympics with people feigning all sorts of things just to try solicit sympathy donations.


From his own words he doesn't seem to need the money and he has health insurance. From what he said recently it seems the donations were essentially just to cover his doordash expenses:



You might not like the term but that's a perfect definition of what the thread essentially was.

The thread has some harsh words... I hope I survive. My mom died when I was 17. I need a heart transplant (cost 1m+).
As observers here, they feel empathy and want to help him and me too, but he needs to back it up with documents.
This is why I ask if the reason for the closure is  documents
People here are irrational to think that vouch is enough.
But if he is in a lifetime-threatening situation and he needs a heart transplant or he cannot work, And need food delivered to him to the hospital.  it may be worth keeping the thread open and helping him achieve his goals.
And get him money for  heart transparent in the future if he ever needs it.


Finally, someone rational. If it's true.
I am still surprised by how rep here convey so much trust.

People here are so irrational they trust reputation so much.
If I have hospital paper for eye issues, it will be much more trusty than these  100  vouches he has. (with all due respect)
You can call and verify with the hospital.
And also it will increase the number of donations in the thread if real mod will vouch for him after seeing such papers.
I advise on how to improve the overall experience in the forum, and it applies to everyone, not just the yahoo guy.

Is it only me who finds that this topic and the one(s) made by fishy001 yesterday (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5439108.0) seem too closely related?
I would not be surprised if it's the same person. (And, while multi accounts are allowed, ban evasion still isn't.)


I think that it's actually more related to Yahoo uncovering ban evasion than anything else.

OP why don't you use your main account, instead of creating new one just to ask a question about this?  ::)

So now we are going to call any topic that has donation address a begging?!
I didn't see Yahoo beg at all in this thread, I even think he added donation addresses later when people started asking about that, he just said that everyone can find address in his profile (archive (https://ninjastic.space/topic/5430104) can confirm this).
This was certainly not the only thread that collected donations, I can clearly remember one topic from Bruno AKA Phinnaeus Gage and his medical condition, we all know outcome of that.
I can also find several donations campaigns for disasters and health issues, you can't call all donations begging, even Bitcointalk forum had donation address for years.

Yeah I think it's him.
He tried to mask his usual writing style, but it's not working very well.

https://ninjastic.space/topic/5430104

How about opening a GoFundme link directly and asking or donations there? There is that and a couple other donation websites that one can explore and get donations from people, it is even allowed on social media too, just not on the forum.

The rule is a necessary one for me. It would open up a huge can of worms to allow threads soliciting for financial help here, it would be abused and real users might not apply for fear of overexposing their identity.

- Jay -

do mods have to wait for a report before doing anything?

There were two other staff members who replied in that thread, why didn't they stop it

I don't like begging but have to ask

OK hilariousandco, I liked your judgments and I respect them and this one too. I just truely hope it's OK.
By the way, whenever I find tough issues in the forum I sometimes check your post history to see if you have contributed. Your contributions are typically fair and readable. Thanks

I don´t understand what you are saying here.
If you read clearly I actually try to help Yahoo to get his thread back.



I support to help  him and re-open it.

I'm not going to speak for all mods, just myself. And my voice has no more value than others.

Giving documents or invoices about a heavy operation doesn't prove anything. Everything can be easily faked.
As a mod or just a member, I don't want to have personal and sensitive information about other members.
And above all, I (we ?) am not a doctor and how can I judge if this or that disease is eligible for donations ?
Heart transplantation. OK ?
Cancer. OK ?
Amputation. OK ?
Sex change. OK ?
Breast implant ?
My dog needs surgery. Is it OK ?

Where is the limit? What if you are rich in a poor country or poor in a rich country ? What do we do? Do we have to ask for a tax declaration as well ?

If you want to talk about your health problems... why not. If people are touched by your story, they will contact you by PM to ask you for an address to make a donation. That's all you can hope. Because if we open this Pandora's box, there will be abuse.

Not all donations are begging. If someone wants to send you or me money as a donation then they can go to our profiles and do so. You can donate to anyone you want. What you can't do is create a thread to try solicit donations. If a thread contains a sob story and address urging others to donate then I'd say yes, that clarifies as a begging thread.


You can't really say I'm not asking for donations then literally ask for donations both in the thread and directing people to your profile. Whilst some people will or would have genuine reasons for asking for money and it may seem harsh not allowing them in certain instances I think a blanket ban on them is wise unless we're going to scrap the rule completely or open up some sort of donation board which I think would just be a messy nightmare.


No, they don't have to wait but it's the first time I saw it and most won't see it unless it's reported. Only Globals and dedicated sub mods could handle posts/threads in there as well. Maybe the other mods didn't think it violated the rules or maybe some mods think certain people should get a pass but I can't speak for everyone.


Exactly. People could easily fake this stuff or just take advantage of being in hospital for a minor surgery as well. You could go in for a routine op, take some pictures of you hooked up to an IV or oxygen and make out like you're dying of cancer or something and have weeks to live. It's actually not that uncommon and people are always getting called out for faking diseases and illnesses. There was a YouTuber recently who faked cancer and received a lot of money in donations: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGcOZ4XPHKE


You could certainly have a thread to talk about your personal afflictions if you wanted to but you can't do that and then stick a donation address in it. I would still find it a bit sketchy either way and most people doing so would probably be doing it knowing it'll garner them at least some sympathy likely along with some donations as well. I might have a bit of sympathy if someone was genuinely struggling with their medical bills or whatnot but not to just fund someone's alleged take-out orders whilst they were apparently in hospital.

I never before saw moderators contacted someone to remove Bitcoin address from their topic, and this should not be done selectively like you are doing.
One more thread that comes to my mind was controversial Bitcointalk Charity topic, with three forum members being involved in abusing collected donations.
That topic was allowed to exists for months, and it's interesting that yahoo was one of the people who first talked about that issue, so I don't see him as a bitcoin beggar:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5376475.0

I will repeat again, there was no bitcoin addresses when thread was created, he added it later after other members asked for that.
I don't know what I would do in similar situation, but fact is that most members supported yahoo and gave him bunch of merits.
Last time I checked he didn't receive  that much Bitcoin at all, fake Bruno scammer and Bitcointalk Charity trio received much much more.

PS
Your last quote was wrong, I didn't say that, it was post from Halab:

Everything is possible. It may be all a show.



He need to proof:


- Video with his food deliveries app show 60 usd spend every day
- medical bills  from hospital.


The forum always deserves the truth to know if all of this thread is real or not.
Just for the sake of the forum to teach everyone a lesson if people can seem good on the surface and turn out to be evil after.


If he is  a real person I would keep his  thread.
And I will donate half grand for him and half for bitcointalk.

Why would you see it? It was done in private, but they usually don't get contacted at all. They either go straight in the trash without notification or the person gets a ban but I thought I'd do the nice thing and nicely ask him to remove it rather than trash the entire thing. It's really not done selectively. I think everyone should be treated the same and people shouldn't be begging for money here. I would urge people to report any begging threads and we'll probably stop a lot of scams from happening in the first place.


I don't think that thread should have been there but two wrongs don't make a right. That situation was a perfect example of the issues that arise from these things. People trusted so called trusted users/familiar faces and they straight up abused their position likely pilfering funds for themselves. If that thread would have been reported then it likely would have been removed straight away. I'm sure the people meriting it and donating to it were thinking they were contributing to a noble cause but that probably didn't happen, or not on the scale expected. It's sad and disgusting that people abuse charity but don't ever forget how low people will stoop to line their own pockets. Abusing charity is an extra level of low in my opinion because you're taking advantage of people's good nature to enrich yourself and genuine people who need the money and probably didn't even ask for it in the first place are losing out.


It doesn't really matter when it was put there but I can't confirm that to be true or not. Are you saying he only added the "I'm not asking for donations or anything, but I do have a bitcoin address in my profile if anyone wants to help out they can." at a later date? I think yahoo probably knew what he was doing by creating that thread but it would be a terrible loophole if we allow threads to be edited after they're created because someone suggested people could donate and that makes it ok. You could just have a friend or even an alt account make the suggestion.


Fixed.

Appreciate that the mods are being rationals. All other users seems so irrational and part of a cult.
I also  want to believe he saying the true but give proper evidence.
Make proper research.

How would you call collecting donation to develop new forum software that was never delivered like promised?  :P
My point was that I saw so many obvious examples of people asking for donations in this forum and this was never considered a begging.
Now I understand if you want to make an example from yahoo, but I would like to hear opinion from theymos about it.

Dude, are you serious?!
This thread is still very much there as well as their ''donation'' address  ::)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5124375.0

So you are now saying that he used some of his alt accounts for this, and for what....to get around $100 worth of BTC in donations  ::)
I am really surprised and sad to hear all this from Global Moderator  :P

millions if rich people like stake.com or bitsler will see it.
It has perfect story to induce empathy. not cringy donation like the link you post.
it has story behind it.

Full disclosore: I am fishy I dont feel like ruining the person the thread. (If all real)
I want him to get  as much money as much as possible.
This why I am willign to donate him half grand for him and half grand and Bitcointalk if is all real and verified by mods.
and they r willing to upload it again.

Reputation is key for receiving any donations, regardless of whether asking for them is allowed or not.  If you're a nobody on this forum and start asking for donations for any of those surgeries you listed, you can forget about it.  The only reason yahoo62278 received all the bitcoin he did is because of the trust and rep he's built up over the years.  He's managed a lot of campaigns and a lot of money, so obviously people didn't think he was up to anything when he said he was in the hospital waiting for a heart transplant.

For as long as I can remember, asking for donations wasn't allowed, no matter who you were.  It was considered begging, and I was surprised to see a btc address in yahoo62278's thread.  Eh, medically he's out of the woods for now and it's not a huge deal that he asked for a little bit of charity from the community IMO.

You all part of a cult you have telegram groups together What I find is that the mods are the only rational people here.
Some people here have alts.
Is not suffucient a trust scroe. forum like HF and OGU I saw in my own eyes people with hundrends of trust eventually exit scam.
Only docuemnts are sufficuent to proof it/videos.


They should give Yahoo a chance to provide them given his reputation here. This I agree.
Provide reliable docs then we talk. I will also make a  big donation.

OP you are not going to stop until you make yahoo doxing himself right? No one would donate without reasonable evidence, if they did that's because they trust him. You should contact him and ask for medical records if you are interested in helping him and trust him enough.

I remember I read it when he posted his story here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5430104.0) and I remember I didn’t feel that it was a begging thread by any means. He told his story wholeheartedly and I’m sure everybody read it with open heart. It was in nobody’s mind that it will turn into a begging thread and from such respected and senior member. That’s why it was not reported by anyone.

Then after that I didn’t visit back and never saw he posted a donation address in OP.

Anyway as soon the donation address was posted it turned into a begging thread no question on this.

I appreciate hilariousandco for his fair judgement instead of nuking the whole thread off, it’s better restoring it to original story telling post. I think yahoo62278 should accept posting address was a mistake.



Now asking for proofs or evidences is a stupid thing, you ask for proofs when you have doubts and when you have doubts please don’t donate or help anyone as simple as that.

If you believe in yahoo and think he needs donation or help no one is stopping you from helping him you can contact him pm or get his address there are thousand ways.

Begging is not allowed we all agree, full stop.

Now please stop humiliating anyone and specially yourself by asking for proofs. Because when you are in doubt those proofs won’t mean anything, real or fake is out question.

@hilariousandco, let's assume you are in Yahoo's shoe. Make it worse. You do not have a medical insurance. Everyone in your family and friends are supporting you for your surgery. Not enough, you still need money to save your life.

Like your friends and family, on the forum there are many you interacted for years. They are as close as your friends in real life, the only difference is you never knew their real them. You know there are many who are capable to support you. Are you saying you don't deserve a chance here?

Well if you don't, the place is shit. There are no need for such community where they don't stand for each others. I will also like to hear theymos.

You know I think you have some beef against yahoo and you are such pathetic inhuman that you used your sure shot.

How did you justify when bitcointalk charity was there, when Bruno plead, when covid charity was there or you were closing your eyes and did not see it.

I am sorry I could not respect your view, opinion. You unfolded yourself as a pathetic creature.

What it all comes down to is someone or multiple someones on the forum felt I was in violation of the rules of the forum. Only the forum is allowed to ask for donations, everyone else can put an address in their profile that's it in a nut shell.

I will say thank you to hilariousandco for pmming me vs just locking and deleting the topic. Definitely think the topic itself should stay up as a reminder to people to keep up on their health. I do not really appreciate some of your comments in this thread though. Your assumptions do not paint you in the best light. You are a moderator here and I have respect for you, but I have lost some reading your comments as well. You might be protecting the community in your eyes, but you could have chosen your words much better.

The initial thread was put there for people to have awareness. It was not a donation attempt, but it did turn into people donating roughly .05btc. I was not trying to get rich from any of you.

When the thread was made, the doctors were 100% going for a transplant. Then, whatever happened in my heart to change their diagnosis happened and I end up being released and am being monitored. There was nothing false about the thread. I cannot explain it, but i'm not mad about not being opened up again currently. The last open heart was fucking brutal and the recovery was less than desirable.



If we are concentrating on rules and enforcing them, why don't we go ahead and ban naim027 who is a ban evader and has been reported as such. Can we also ban  the self admitted ban evader the creator of this thread while we are at it? I don't mind rules being enforced but do them for all cases.




@ALL, they are right in their decision to ask me to take down the addresses. Let's not all get butthurt by them trying to protect the forum. The responses in this thread are less than desirable but That's not on any of you, just the people who made them. It shows that certain people have a low opinion of me and that is their right. Everyone does not have to like me. Locking the thread is a bit much IMO as it is all factual info.

There is also no need for theymos to comment. He hired the staff and stands by their opinion. That's how it should be. Rules are rules, LET IT BE.

as far as I remember, initially, yahoo only noted that his address for potential donation was on his profile page. although maybe he posted it later in the discussion, I didn't recognize his thread as begging.
@hilariousandco Do I understand you correctly, that actually the critical point in donation threads, whether it is begging or not, is actually the existence of a donation address?

maybe it is necessary to completely ban any charity and donor actions or at least define it more precisely, and I agree with dkbit98, this yahoo case seems pretty selective.

For example, I saw the charity campaign [AUCTION LIST] Auction for ColdKey victims (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434623.0) launched due to a scandalous theft to raise donations for victims of yogg's cold key scam.
They even run a signature campaign [OPEN] Charity Signature and Avatar Campaign - Auction for ColdKey victims (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5436148.0) to promote such action in helping to cover losses caused by fraud with donations.

what is the difference except that there have not yet published the address for receiving funds? can this be considered begging?

don't get me wrong, I understand their ^{all ColdKey victim's} pain due to the loss and I fully support that action, but compared to yahoo's health problems, it's a cat's cough.

I am professional, and the mods here are also experienced and most likely had enough drama and  traumas in their life  for themself or  their relatives to be more skeptical.
I am not  some sloppy and inexperienced girl with no life experiences that lets her emotions control her judgment all the time. who never experienced any pain and locked in her mom´s basement.

Btw If had heart problems  I would provide on my own will documents for mods as  proofs to shut it down once at for all.

Such as delivery apps orders etc. Its easy to upload it on loom and post it here.

If my brother or family member would ask me help and I doubt him I WOULD ASK THE SAME THING.

If he is emotional he will tell me I DONT BELIEVE YOUR MY BROTHER HOW YOU ASK ME THIS.

or if he is highly intellectual  he wil say this:  UNDERSTAND BRO YOU ARE RATIONAL ADULT AND YOU PROBABLY EXPERIENCE SOME SHIT IN LIFE.

I WILL SHOW YOU SOOM PROOF.


yahoo chooed the victim mind that we hold low opinion on him instead of provide a proof





I hope he can provide real proofs and pming them on his will like I would do.
I still believe that it will be a great gesture to reopen the thread if the users provide enough evidence.
But is not my decision to make.  god bless.








You put donations links  also in the thread not just the profile.

Archieve:

https://archive.fo/lBKTU

whatever happened to yahoo, i'm so sad for him, regarding the donation he made, i don't want to be so in making deep comments since he is one of the best reputation member in this forum, i'm sure he's not trying to profit from it.  heart surgery is one of the most expensive and he also said that the donation sent must be based on sympathy not because of compulsion, so in my personal view, he did nothing wrong.

This forum never ceases to amaze me. This happened because a member who was ban evading stirred the pot?

I know you moderators are the ultimate interpreters of the rules but I don't agree with what was done, for me he was not "begging", and I donated.


Completely agree.


While we're at it, I'll also tell you yahoo62278 that I saw a curious thing that made me decide not to donate to you again, but I'm going to wait until you are in good health to comment on it.

Yesterday I felt guilt and  that I caused your thread to be locked and may be some chance that you tell the truth.

But I find worrying staff.
like continuing lack of evidence, not  fully 100% honest.



The donation adress was in the thread itself. Not in your profile.
Archieve: https://archive.fo/lBKTU

They is a saying, "it's important to be kind than to be important", people had to get emotional about his post, and tried to help. That's what happened, so if it happened to be a begging thread which breaks the forum rule as the moderator said. considering that we are humans and easily moved by things we read especially one that refers to another person's bitter moments, that doesn't mean people shouldn't help a member even if he didn't ask for the help.

My 2c FWIW,

I commend hilariousandco for responding in the thread and TBH I wouldnt demonise
the mods for their actions, afterall as yahoo points out they had the decency to PM
about it.

What I'm taking from this is that there was donation addresses listed on yahoo's thread
which resulted in the locking of it, if those addresses hadnt been listed this thread for
example wouldnt exist.

Its ok to post up your experience of whatever is happening in your life and if someone asks
to make a donation you can direct them to the addy in your profile, thats ok.

In yahoo's defense I can understand how he or anyone else might have created that
thread, we spend so much time on the forum, some members have very strong
connections with each other and others have very prominent profiles, to share
part of your life with us is understandable. Some would shy away from doing so
others not, we are all different.

As The Sceptical Chymist pointed out, a newbie coming in with, zero history, zero trust, zero merit
and doing what yahoo did would be ripped to shreds, if you have any sort of history
built up in the community you will be welcomed, thats normal/fair.

No is not ok if people with trust will do it (Use highly sensestive words)  to solicit sympathy such as my mom died when I was 16, I need heart transp, I hope I surive.
All these words will make everyone donate him. But where is the proof of all of that?

You need to backup it up with evidence more than your trust here.

Now here's the point!
A person who hides behind his true identity is clear proof that he is not trustworthy. Yes your identity. Because our username here on the forum is our identity. No user who comes to the forum for the first time would question these situations.
Therefore, everything that this user (or others that may appear) says, will not have any credibility. Because, you are hiding your real identity here in the forum.

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Regarding the fact that the rules prohibit requests for donations, I even understand why they exist. And therefore, topics with this clear objective must be removed.

Now, the thread created by @yahoo62278 had no such purpose. He may even have made the mistake of posting his bitcoin address, upon request, in the thread and having alarm bells sounded. Perhaps his weakened situation made him not think that this situation would create this type of situation.

Either way, he has already rectified the situation, respecting the forum rules. I don't think there's a need to keep hitting the same subject.

During the time he was in the hospital, the forum was a help to him and a place where he could take his mind off the whole situation. Let's not now turn the place that made your mind stay sane, into a place of headaches.

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As for whether this was all a hoax, and he has to prove what happened. I think it's a great conspiracy theory!
@yahoo62278's reputation is worth much more than the mere dozens of dollars it would eventually receive in donations.

In addition, the forum has always valued privacy. Asking a user for a document is a huge breach of privacy.

Also, I see dozens of users with their address in their signature, and this has never been a problem on the forum over all these years.

Therefore, do not go to war with one another over these things.
The situation has already been dealt with, even if some of those involved did not have the most adequate attitude to the situation.

But let's move on, life already has many sad problems, we don't need to create even more!

Is look like bunch of alts/organized group of members use the same words and slogans to solicit empathy
´´But let's move on, life already has many sad problems, we don't need to create even more!´´
Now I am more positive that I dont  believe anything from yesterday. Any person would send evidence on its own without asking just to make a point.
If he worries on privacy. He could record video and post it here is no violation  of the rules.

This kinda of member know how to use the right words to hit the right emotions.

Your words against yours? If you know something say something.

When you trust someone, you can rely on their word. Yahoo has been managing significant sums of money from numerous projects for a while, and he has built a solid reputation and level of trust in the process. Personally, I don't need to ask for any doc in order to assist because I trusted him and am aware of his character.

May I ask why you are so concerned with his life and donations?

Sometimes people can manipulate you I dont talk about yahoo now.
But if you have enough experience in life you will see that I am right.


There are around 13%  of the overall population of people that  are Narcissist/Sociopaths/Psychopaths in the world can manipulate you .
They can be charmers and have 0  guilt to do harm to you and can convince you they are good people.
Is much likely to see on of these than find a mod with 0.5%.1% chance to have his born desease and ask donation about it.
Just saying.

Calculate odds.


I recommend to read
Using empathy to use people: Emotional intelligence and manipulation
 (https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/moral-universe/using-empathy-to-use-people-emotional-intelligence-and-manipulation/)

So he should doxx himself just because of one butthurt ban evader like you? Yeah right. And even he did that, you probably still wouldn't believe him.

I am one of those few who donated him (and no, I don't think he was begging in his topic) and I don't think that he should provide any evidence because I know how easy is to fake those so if he was lying I wouldn't know anyway so why bother.

I deal with people who I thought are legit and honest and greed got to their head and they steal my site (my developer) and lie after that he didn´t. .
And like you say i can easily spot if he is good person or not by talking to him.
You can easily spot most of the people but there are exceptional clever people that you cannot spot on normal measurements like conversation.
And most people here cannot understand and bring it into fruition.

An elephant in the room now. The air is heavy. May be yahoo can make it feel better. It would be nice to give something as evidence to shut off everything.

It's not easy when you have your privacy in stake but that's what yahoo wanted too when Royse was denying to post information, it's not just him but few other members still too keen to see everything black and white. Unfortunately we always live in gray area.

Here is another point to be noted, everytime there is an unpleasant even, a troll is always here with a straw.

Nope, he doesn't have to say anything beyond what he already has.

It sounds like you are supportive of him but he owes nobody here nothing.