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[donationsxp]

 Suppose I need Lasik surgery and see from a long distance. Assuming my eyes are very bad, and I need people to pay for my surgery, 3k.
What do I need to show if I open the donation thread here? Do I need to provide eye problems documents from birth?
I see that the donation thread of Yahoo was taken down. Is it because he failed to provide these documents for Moderators when  they ask?
Happy to receive more information regarding the cause of the closure.

Did mod was pming him  to send evidence of food expenses/Hospital bills like  quote And he didn't send anything?
Is this why closure happened?


Quote:

That's 60-70$ a day for food for 25 days. Do the math; which comes to 1500-1750$ just for the food alone.

[AverageGlabella]

I do not think you can make a donation topic for you because that would be begging. Afaik other members organized the donation for yahoo and it was not a formal thing but something some members did out the kindness of their heart. I think it helps that yahoo is a long time member who has contributed a lot and they were not looking for the donation at the start and only did because people wanted too. I think if they opened up a topic looking for donations it would have been removed by the mods.

I hope I do not offend but this is your 1st post asking for a donation from a newly created account will certainly be removed. Yahoo has 1 of the best reputations on the forum and has been a member for years and does not need to provide proof because other members wanted to donate to him before he put a address in the topic.

yahoo posted the reason https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5430104.340 they got told by a mod to remove the address so I guess it was not allowed.

[donationsxp]

I do not think you can make a donation topic for you because that would be begging. Afaik other members organized the donation for yahoo and it was not a formal thing but something some members did out the kindness of their heart. I think it helps that yahoo is a long time member who has contributed a lot and they were not looking for the donation at the start and only did because people wanted too. I think if they opened up a topic looking for donations it would have been removed by the mods.

I hope I do not offend but this is your 1st post asking for a donation from a newly created account will certainly be removed. Yahoo has 1 of the best reputations on the forum and has been a member for years and does not need to provide proof because other members wanted to donate to him before he put a address in the topic.

yahoo posted the reason https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5430104.340 they got told by a mod to remove the address so I guess it was not allowed.

He does not share the complete reason, only that they asked him to remove it. It was active for veryyy  a long time until yesterday.
This why I ask what exact cause about what happened.
If the user needs treatment like this, he should  be able to post and ask for donations.
I completely against closure if he he provides the documents.
Therefore, I ask if the closure. Is it lack of evidence?




If I need some of these treatment it will be cool if I will be able to ask donation here:

Surgery   Cost

Intestinal transplantation.   $1,121,800
Heart transplant                 $1,000,000
Heart valve replacement   $170,000
Heart bypass   $123,000
Spinal fusion   $110,000
Hip replacement   $40,364
Knee replacement   $35,000
Angioplasty   $28,200
Hip resurfacing   $28,000
Gastric bypass   $25,000
Cornea   $17,500
Gastric sleeve   $16,500
Hysterectomy   $15,400
Rhinoplasty   $6,500
Breast implants   $6,400
LASIK   $4,000
Spleen removal   $47,860
 Replace or revise brain shunt   $49,355
Cranial lesion   $50,189
Ileostomy   $51,683
Removal of pacemaker or defibrillator   $52,005
Partial removal of the colon   $52,353
Gallbladder surgery   $54,041

 Do I  need to provide supporting documents and it will  be ok then?

[Little Mouse]

Suppose I need Lasik surgery and see from a long distance. Assuming my eyes are very bad, and I need people to pay for my surgery, 3k.
What do I need to show if I open the donation thread here? Do I need to provide eye problems documents from birth?

Nothing can assure anything. All you need is trust/reputation from the forum users. Your words should be more trusted than documents and be that guy, though such things directly don't exist in the forum. I was responsible for the verification of such a case during the Covid-19 pandemic for giving a donation. If someone/an organization is donating, you can go to them and provide documents.

He does not share the complete reason, only that they asked him to remove it.
It was active for veryyy  a long time until yesterday.
This why I ask what cause about the exact cause is.

If the user needs treatment like this, he should be able to post and ask for donations. Therefore I ask if the closure is a lack of evidence or if the forum doesn't feel right to make donations anymore and is not about it.

Moderator thinks yahoo62278 is breaking the forum rules. That's what yahoo said. I can't imagine there was something that was against forum rules. The purpose of the thread was to ensure everyone should go through a health check-up. Donation was a totally partial thing there.

[donationsxp]

Suppose I need Lasik surgery and see from a long distance. Assuming my eyes are very bad, and I need people to pay for my surgery, 3k.
What do I need to show if I open the donation thread here? Do I need to provide eye problems documents from birth?

Nothing can assure anything. All you need is trust/reputation from the forum users. Your words should be more trusted than documents and be that guy, though such things directly don't exist in the forum. I was responsible for the verification of such a case during the Covid-19 pandemic for giving a donation. If someone/an organization is donating, you can go to them and provide documents.

He does not share the complete reason, only that they asked him to remove it.
It was active for veryyy  a long time until yesterday.
This why I ask what cause about the exact cause is.

If the user needs treatment like this, he should be able to post and ask for donations. Therefore I ask if the closure is a lack of evidence or if the forum doesn't feel right to make donations anymore and is not about it.

Moderator thinks yahoo62278 is breaking the forum rules. That's what yahoo said. I can't imagine there was something that was against forum rules. The purpose of the thread was to ensure everyone should go through a health check-up. Donation was a totally partial thing there.

I think it should be fine if provides enough evidence. Maybe mod was pming him and didn´t provide that?
Asking for mod answers. If mods are kind enough for the situation of the man they should allow it.
Any other answer that not coming from mod is not helpful for me.

[indah rezqi]

Did you ask him to provide proof of Food expenses/Hospital like the quote And he didn't send anything?
Is this why closure happened?

Social jealousy, that is one of the reasons I think.
Imagine how many reputable and trusted members are currently on the forum and 10% of them are interested in creating a donation thread for themselves for whatever financial reason they face, don't you think that would be annoying.

Then as well as many other users including non-reputable newbie who have financial constraints come and do the same, it's sure to keep the forum filled with private donation thread. Moderators may just want to prevent this kind of thing from becoming a future trend among forum users because at the same time they need to be neutral towards all users.

Anyways the main purpose of the thread wasn't about donations but somehow yahoo posted his bitcoin address there (I didn't follow the progress of the thread) which then made mod ask him to delete via pm.

[rat03gopoh]

If I need some of these treatment it will be cool if I will be able to ask donation here:

I don't think so, it won't change the policy on raising donation for yourself.

In some cases, I also don't really understand the exact rules as long as donation threads are freely published on several boards, for example raising donations to help other members, someone outside the forum, or an invitation to help disaster victims.

[donationsxp]

If I need some of these treatment it will be cool if I will be able to ask donation here:

I don't think so, it won't change the policy on raising donation for yourself.

In some cases, I also don't really understand the exact rules as long as donation threads are freely published on several boards, for example raising donations to help other members, someone outside the forum, or an invitation to help disaster victims.

Any answer not from the mod is not helpful to me.
We can avoid closure only if we know the reason behind it without guessings.


Only this guy can provide real answer: hilariousandco

[Adbitco]

Well I may not want to go into details of this your topic but, all I since is begging.
You can't wake-up a day crying out loudly for help or donations being a newbie in the forum without being a reputable member or sole contributor to the forum and before such could be possible there must be at least another user from same locality with you to attest to your claims of being a patient or victims of what you are presenting to people. Unlike Yahoo, there were few people who knew about his illness which they also replied and attested to it.

[YOSHIE]

As far as I know @yahoo62278, just making a thread about his current 'life journey' with heart disease that he reported and told, nothing more.

Anyway @yahoo62278 already said it about the donation.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5430104.msg61464844#msg61464844

Hey thanks for reading and hopefully the events of my life help you to make sure you are always taking care of your health. Please do not send me any funds. If someone is well off and can afford it, i'm happy to accept help, but I do not want anyone suffering to help me. I will make what I have work regardless of the circumstances.

Does he ask for help directly to users here. of course not, only members have the sincerity to donate to @yahoo62278, it is their right as long as they want to give, without any element of coercion. Is not it.

Try to think positive, @yahoo62278 one of the campaign managers here, he has hired many members, not a mistake, for those who want to make a small donation for him $10-$50 for the suffering he experienced.

Do we need proof @yahoo62278 in the hospital, what is it for. did he ask for a full donation for his heart surgery to the members here, he just told his life story, believe it or not it depends on the members themselves.
You donate will be calculated later for kindness and if you don't donate it will not be counted later, you do good all in return, regardless of everything you say.

You give, it's your right and you don't want to give your rights, everyone here is an adult, Of course you can think about what is good and what is bad before giving something to others, try to be professional and think positively.

[Ucy]

I think yahoo62278 deserves the necessary help he/she needs to survive the health problems as long as its true. He is a longtime member who has supported this forum in his own way.
The money involved isn't a small one. Extraordinary claim requires extraordinary proof  and once enough proofs are provided the forum must rally around one of its own to help him/her survive. Life is worth more than the amount he/she is asking for. He could also be helped to get the desired treated/cured at the fraction of the cost or free of charge. Nothing is impossible
It will be really sad to see another important member vanish just like that.



In regards to begging accusation, why would you call someone who really needs help a begger? What? Is something wrong with you? That's childish and should never be used for people who really needs help from us. And don't ever call people who aren't really begging beggars: Here is a Wikipedia definition of begging:

Begging (also panhandling) is the practice of imploring others to grant a favor, often a gift of money, with little or no expectation of reciprocation. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging



May GOD help yahoo62278 who has been kind to many of us in the past.

[hilariousandco]

It was essentially a begging thread which obviously isn't allowed and I think the no begging rule is one of the oldest here. I'm suspired nobody reported it earlier to be honest. If it was made by any other account it would have been reported half a dozen times and trashed within an hour of being posted. It's really not about providing sufficient proof of illness or whatnot. I don't know if you're trying to make a point of something with this thread but it's a good example of what would be wrong with allowing begging threads because everyone would then try them for all afflictions major and minor; real or fantasy. It would then become the oppression Olympics with people feigning all sorts of things just to try solicit sympathy donations.

I think yahoo deserves the necessary help he/she needs to survive the health problems as long as its true. He is a longtime member who has supported this forum in his own way.
The money involved isn't a small one. Extraordinary claim requires extraordinary proof  and once enough proofs are provided the forum must rally around one of its own to help him/her survive. Life is worth more than the amount he/she is asking for. He could also be helped to get the desired treated/cured at the fraction of the cost or free of charge. Nothing is impossible
It will be really sad to see another important member vanish just like that.

From his own words he doesn't seem to need the money and he has health insurance. From what he said recently it seems the donations were essentially just to cover his doordash expenses:

What you are is 100% impulsive and pathetic. If you are going to try and throw shade at a user, you should at a minimum, read the whole thread. Just a suggestion. If you had, you would see that I have not had a heart transplant at this point. I did have an almost 1 month stay in the hospital. Jan 4th-Jan 29th 2023. The initial post also said that money donated would be used to help with expenses such as food, gas, hotel rooms, or anything else. All of which is what the donations helped with. I was not on a special diet in the hospital as I never held water or showed any signs of swelling in any of my extremities. With that being said, I used doordash for 2 meals a day most times. Roughly 30-35$ per meal each day. That's 60-70$ a day for food for 25 days. Do the math and that comes to 1500-1750$ just for food alone. Well above any amount that was donated. Noone begged the community for anything and in fact I told many users not to send anything. Not that I owe you any answers but I didn't want you to think I didn't see your post.

Begging (also panhandling) is the practice of imploring others to grant a favor, often a gift of money, with little or no expectation of reciprocation. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging

You might not like the term but that's a perfect definition of what the thread essentially was.

[donationsxp]

It was essentially a begging thread which obviously isn't allowed and I think the no begging rule is one of the oldest here. I'm suspired nobody reported it earlier to be honest. If it was made by any other account it would have been reported half a dozen times and trashed within an hour of being posted. It's really not about providing sufficient proof of illness or whatnot. I don't know if you're trying to make a point of something with this thread but it's a good example of what would be wrong with allowing begging threads because everyone would then try them for all afflictions major and minor; real or fantasy. It would then become the oppression Olympics with people feigning all sorts of things just to try solicit sympathy donations.

I think yahoo deserves the necessary help he/she needs to survive the health problems as long as its true. He is a longtime member who has supported this forum in his own way.
The money involved isn't a small one. Extraordinary claim requires extraordinary proof  and once enough proofs are provided the forum must rally around one of its own to help him/her survive. Life is worth more than the amount he/she is asking for. He could also be helped to get the desired treated/cured at the fraction of the cost or free of charge. Nothing is impossible
It will be really sad to see another important member vanish just like that.

From his own words he doesn't seem to need the money and he has health insurance. From what he said recently it seems the donations were essentially just to cover his doordash expenses:

What you are is 100% impulsive and pathetic. If you are going to try and throw shade at a user, you should at a minimum, read the whole thread. Just a suggestion. If you had, you would see that I have not had a heart transplant at this point. I did have an almost 1 month stay in the hospital. Jan 4th-Jan 29th 2023. The initial post also said that money donated would be used to help with expenses such as food, gas, hotel rooms, or anything else. All of which is what the donations helped with. I was not on a special diet in the hospital as I never held water or showed any signs of swelling in any of my extremities. With that being said, I used doordash for 2 meals a day most times. Roughly 30-35$ per meal each day. That's 60-70$ a day for food for 25 days. Do the math and that comes to 1500-1750$ just for food alone. Well above any amount that was donated. Noone begged the community for anything and in fact I told many users not to send anything. Not that I owe you any answers but I didn't want you to think I didn't see your post.

Begging (also panhandling) is the practice of imploring others to grant a favor, often a gift of money, with little or no expectation of reciprocation. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging

You might not like the term but that's a perfect definition of what the thread essentially was.

The thread has some harsh words... I hope I survive. My mom died when I was 17. I need a heart transplant (cost 1m+).
As observers here, they feel empathy and want to help him and me too, but he needs to back it up with documents.
This is why I ask if the reason for the closure is  documents
People here are irrational to think that vouch is enough.
But if he is in a lifetime-threatening situation and he needs a heart transplant or he cannot work, And need food delivered to him to the hospital.  it may be worth keeping the thread open and helping him achieve his goals.
And get him money for  heart transparent in the future if he ever needs it.

I think yahoo62278 deserves the necessary help he/she needs to survive the health problems as long as its true. He is a longtime member who has supported this forum in his own way.
The money involved isn't a small one. Extraordinary claim requires extraordinary proof  and once enough proofs are provided the forum must rally around one of its own to help him/her survive. Life is worth more than the amount he/she is asking for. He could also be helped to get the desired treated/cured at the fraction of the cost or free of charge. Nothing is impossible
It will be really sad to see another important member vanish just like that.



In regards to begging accusation, why would you call someone who really needs help a begger? What? Is something wrong with you? That's childish and should never be used for people who really needs help from us. And don't ever call people who aren't really begging beggars: Here is a Wikipedia definition of begging:

Begging (also panhandling) is the practice of imploring others to grant a favor, often a gift of money, with little or no expectation of reciprocation. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging


May GOD help yahoo62278 who has been kind to many of us in the past.

Finally, someone rational. If it's true.
I am still surprised by how rep here convey so much trust.

People here are so irrational they trust reputation so much.
If I have hospital paper for eye issues, it will be much more trusty than these  100  vouches he has. (with all due respect)
You can call and verify with the hospital.
And also it will increase the number of donations in the thread if real mod will vouch for him after seeing such papers.
I advise on how to improve the overall experience in the forum, and it applies to everyone, not just the yahoo guy.

[NeuroticFish]

Is it only me who finds that this topic and the one(s) made by fishy001 yesterday seem too closely related?
I would not be surprised if it's the same person. (And, while multi accounts are allowed, ban evasion still isn't.)

Social jealousy, that is one of the reasons I think.

I think that it's actually more related to Yahoo uncovering ban evasion than anything else.

[dkbit98]

OP why don't you use your main account, instead of creating new one just to ask a question about this?  

It was essentially a begging thread which obviously isn't allowed and I think the no begging rule is one of the oldest here.

So now we are going to call any topic that has donation address a begging?!
I didn't see Yahoo beg at all in this thread, I even think he added donation addresses later when people started asking about that, he just said that everyone can find address in his profile (archive can confirm this).
This was certainly not the only thread that collected donations, I can clearly remember one topic from Bruno AKA Phinnaeus Gage and his medical condition, we all know outcome of that.
I can also find several donations campaigns for disasters and health issues, you can't call all donations begging, even Bitcointalk forum had donation address for years.

Is it only me who finds that this topic and the one(s) made by fishy001 yesterday seem too closely related?
I would not be surprised if it's the same person. (And, while multi accounts are allowed, ban evasion still isn't.)

Yeah I think it's him.
He tried to mask his usual writing style, but it's not working very well.

I'm not asking for donations or anything, but I do have a bitcoin address in my profile if anyone wants to help out they can.

https://ninjastic.space/topic/5430104

[un_rank]

What do I need to show if I open the donation thread here? Do I need to provide eye problems documents from birth?

How about opening a GoFundme link directly and asking or donations there? There is that and a couple other donation websites that one can explore and get donations from people, it is even allowed on social media too, just not on the forum.

The rule is a necessary one for me. It would open up a huge can of worms to allow threads soliciting for financial help here, it would be abused and real users might not apply for fear of overexposing their identity.

- Jay -

[Out of PATIENCE]

It was essentially a begging thread which obviously isn't allowed and I think the no begging rule is one of the oldest here. I'm suspired nobody reported it earlier to be honest. If it was made by any other account it would have been reported half a dozen times and trashed within an hour of being posted.

do mods have to wait for a report before doing anything?

There were two other staff members who replied in that thread, why didn't they stop it

I don't like begging but have to ask

[Ucy]

It was essentially a begging thread which obviously isn't allowed and I think the no begging rule is one of the oldest here. I'm suspired nobody reported it earlier to be honest. If it was made by any other account it would have been reported half a dozen times and trashed within an hour of being posted. It's really not about providing sufficient proof of illness or whatnot. I don't know if you're trying to make a point of something with this thread but it's a good example of what would be wrong with allowing begging threads because everyone would then try them for all afflictions major and minor; real or fantasy. It would then become the oppression Olympics with people feigning all sorts of things just to try solicit sympathy donations.

I think yahoo deserves the necessary help he/she needs to survive the health problems as long as its true. He is a longtime member who has supported this forum in his own way.
The money involved isn't a small one. Extraordinary claim requires extraordinary proof  and once enough proofs are provided the forum must rally around one of its own to help him/her survive. Life is worth more than the amount he/she is asking for. He could also be helped to get the desired treated/cured at the fraction of the cost or free of charge. Nothing is impossible
It will be really sad to see another important member vanish just like that.

From his own words he doesn't seem to need the money and he has health insurance. From what he said recently it seems the donations were essentially just to cover his doordash expenses:

What you are is 100% impulsive and pathetic. If you are going to try and throw shade at a user, you should at a minimum, read the whole thread. Just a suggestion. If you had, you would see that I have not had a heart transplant at this point. I did have an almost 1 month stay in the hospital. Jan 4th-Jan 29th 2023. The initial post also said that money donated would be used to help with expenses such as food, gas, hotel rooms, or anything else. All of which is what the donations helped with. I was not on a special diet in the hospital as I never held water or showed any signs of swelling in any of my extremities. With that being said, I used doordash for 2 meals a day most times. Roughly 30-35$ per meal each day. That's 60-70$ a day for food for 25 days. Do the math and that comes to 1500-1750$ just for food alone. Well above any amount that was donated. Noone begged the community for anything and in fact I told many users not to send anything. Not that I owe you any answers but I didn't want you to think I didn't see your post.

Begging (also panhandling) is the practice of imploring others to grant a favor, often a gift of money, with little or no expectation of reciprocation. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging

You might not like the term but that's a perfect definition of what the thread essentially was.

OK hilariousandco, I liked your judgments and I respect them and this one too. I just truely hope it's OK.
By the way, whenever I find tough issues in the forum I sometimes check your post history to see if you have contributed. Your contributions are typically fair and readable. Thanks

[donationsxp]

Is it only me who finds that this topic and the one(s) made by fishy001 yesterday seem too closely related?
I would not be surprised if it's the same person. (And, while multi accounts are allowed, ban evasion still isn't.)

Social jealousy, that is one of the reasons I think.

I think that it's actually more related to Yahoo uncovering ban evasion than anything else.

I don´t understand what you are saying here.
If you read clearly I actually try to help Yahoo to get his thread back.

If is life-threating situation like he potrays and he need food delivered to him to hospital every day. And everything can be verified by mod

I support to help  him and re-open it.

[Halab]

He does not share the complete reason, only that they asked him to remove it. It was active for veryyy  a long time until yesterday.
This why I ask what exact cause about what happened.
If the user needs treatment like this, he should  be able to post and ask for donations.
I completely against closure if he he provides the documents.
Therefore, I ask if the closure. Is it lack of evidence?

If I need some of these treatment it will be cool if I will be able to ask donation here:

Do I  need to provide supporting documents and it will  be ok then?

I'm not going to speak for all mods, just myself. And my voice has no more value than others.

Giving documents or invoices about a heavy operation doesn't prove anything. Everything can be easily faked.
As a mod or just a member, I don't want to have personal and sensitive information about other members.
And above all, I (we ?) am not a doctor and how can I judge if this or that disease is eligible for donations ?
Heart transplantation. OK ?
Cancer. OK ?
Amputation. OK ?
Sex change. OK ?
Breast implant ?
My dog needs surgery. Is it OK ?

Where is the limit? What if you are rich in a poor country or poor in a rich country ? What do we do? Do we have to ask for a tax declaration as well ?

If you want to talk about your health problems... why not. If people are touched by your story, they will contact you by PM to ask you for an address to make a donation. That's all you can hope. Because if we open this Pandora's box, there will be abuse.