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I was going through the Services Child board and found that the Yo!Mix Bitcoin Mixer Signature Campaign was Open. As like everyone does I also went through it and found on the Campaign ANN a new initiative. This new initiative as per my knowledge has not be initiated by any other BM other than @Royse777. I think it is tricky but can get good results. Quoting what he wrote



I created this thread to know what you guys think about it. Do you feel he/she as in Royse777 will be able to catch those Bounty hunters who are using AI chatbots to earn Bitcoin on a signature campaign managed by him? Will other BMs follow his initiative in the future?

I think it is not impossible but can be made possible if someone knows how to find an AI script for a reply or a topic.

I assuming it’s chat GPT AI. I think it’s possible if someone will carefully check someone statement since AI just use data available on the web. I think a user that using an AI will have a post construction pattern as an AI which is noticeable if you are using the AI app to ask question or do something.

It will be a very hard task to catch them though.

That's why they get paid, and I guess it's worth the effort.
I don't know exactly if the AI ​​posts in question can be recognized as easily as someone catches plagiarism, but there should be a tool that helps users to reveal the AI ​​posts. While I haven't got the tool yet, but maybe someone there knows about it.

I had to search the thread out (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434037.msg61576821#msg61576821) since what you said wasn't linked up to the appropriate thread.
Royse777 had to edit their campaign thread to include it (today, possibly). It's on the OP. Next time do well to link the quote properly for ease of reading for others. It's a good initiative and I think more CMs will want to follow it. I've read a thread where members were decrying the activities of Al in the forum, and now this action by a CM. Once the Al idea come up on the internet last year I knew there would be many who would want to explore the stuff for negative use. Humans are like that; always trying to make bad use of a good innovations.

It is a good initiative from Royse777 but points are

• Chance to catch such bad posters in good campaigns is very low. Initially, they must have good post history, posting habit to be accepted by the manager so that they less likely are bad posters and if they are good ones, they won't change their posting habit after were chosen by the manager.
• It's a mutual correlation between good campaign (with good payrate I mean), good manager, good eligible posters and their posts during participating time in the campaign.

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Beyond good campaigns, I believe the forum will see more spams from ChatGPT- and others AI-generated contents and in upcoming months, there will be more permanent bans on AI-supported plagiarisms.

It's good approach to tackle all those spammers who are trying different ways to plagiarise just to earn few merits and can't have their original ideas to be contributed on the forum.I see there are certain things which heps to distinguish between human writing and AI based text generator as there could be some sentences mixup but with ChatGPT the accuracy rate is high which is why it's becoming more popular and used by many at this time.But such things will help atleast some members here to report if they found someone is using these softwares to write their posts and help reduce plagiarism.

Along with it these posts should also be reported in this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.620) also so that for violating the forum rules they should get account banned also.

With such AI based software becoming more popular the tools to detect such text will also come like the OpenAI has launched one such tool but still in the initial phase as reporting accuracy is less at the time


Source : OpenAI tool  (https://www.google.com/amp/s/techcrunch.com/2023/01/31/openai-releases-tool-to-detect-ai-generated-text-including-from-chatgpt/amp/)

This is business lol. Create a problem and sell the solution to the business. If ChatGPT(example in general) wouldn't exist, no AI-generated text wouldn't have existed and we would never be needed that AI text detection tool. Anyway, I don't know how much capable the tool is to detect AI-generated text but I have checked with another tool (forgot the name) and it told me the text is genuine while I generated the text with ChatGPT lol.

The tool can even be good, but it will only be minimally effective if the user does copy-paste.
I did a test, using the texts provided by the platform, and if you mix a human paragraph with an AI, it validates as not being made by AI.



The initiative is interesting, but it will always be very difficult to catch someone, unless you are really bad at doing that cheat.

Royse777, please accept my rays of respect for you. If all managers make such decisions, everyone who is going to participate in their companies will think a hundred times about whether to trust their posts to ChatGPT or not. In the end, the decision on whether a post was written by a human or a robot will be made by the manager, and accordingly, the participants in his subscription company should make even more efforts, since today's detectors do not always correctly detect even the text written by a person.
In any case, I see that ChatGPT can be discoverable, and Royse777's solution encourages everyone to not only write posts but also carefully read what others write. And this is very good behavior in order for the forum to receive live communication.

Bounty manager I think will all have to add this rule to their campaigners. Sounds fair for all because its gonna be cheating if they just use the AI. Its pretty common these days that AI does a lot of things including writing articles and codes. So its not surprising if someone uses AI in the campaigns.


Its been encouraged to help mods finding plagiarism but with AI, it makes it difficult for them to identify. Such tools should be useful, I think Theymos can install something like this on Simple machines if is available.

Although some posts may look like they are the work of AI at first glance, how will you prove that they are really the product of an AI Chat? I have tried 5-6 detectors and I am not satisfied with the results, because even very small changes in the entered text can give completely opposite results.

Here is the part of your post that one detector says is even 93% fake.

https://i.imgur.com/4cu2qRf.png
Source (https://contentatscale.ai/ai-content-detector/)

This is the part that will get those transactions in indentifying AI abusers.
Never underestimate the power of Bitcoin! A truely excellent oppertunity for those who themselves have tried it. I am sure this lucrative offer makes his signature campaign more robust as well as secure if he is able to achive some good results out of it.

What I also fear is that many non English members who use Google translate or any other might get banned. Do guys agree with it?

Bounty managers will use another AI an army of bounty hunters for participants to identify and catch AI posters. Genial. :)

But seriously, how to define this line between human posts and posts made by AI? In some cases, AI posts look more humane than living people. A sensitive situation may arise when a manager mistakenly withdraws an award or kicks him out of a campaign. It seems that soon we will hear a sea of whining. :)

In general, this is a good initiative. If there is a ban on the use of AI, then this will stop participants from dishonest posting. It is not necessary for the manager to check whether post AI was written or not, but this way he will filter out the crooks and let the community know that he doesn't approve of AI posters.

The initiative of Royse777 is a higher level of plagiarism catching by finding likely AI-generated content and then checking more for text spinning, plagiarism. I think it is what Royse777 wanted with this mini campaign.

I believe if posters are lazy enough to use AI-generated contents, they don't have enough time to mind about text spinning to disguise that those contents are not from AI machines.

It is good initiative as you said but its not going to be an easy job, AI finding tools are ineffective cause with litt8text spinning and adding punctuations here and there will give opposite results so we need something from the Microsoft to say whether its created by ChatGPT or not, Gates is just doing some business. ;)

Not exactly.
Because the way of writing is quite different. Even so, there may be some danger of this happening, but it will be little.

Proving that AI is used is very difficult, so there has to be very clear evidence for this to happen, not just what is done in a translator.

@tranthidung, I don't think (like most other members) that this initiative is bad, but as I showed in the example, I don't see that at this moment there is a precise method that can distinguish AI content from what is unique. If the members of that or any other campaign use various AI detectors and report their results to the manager, he will face a very big challenge to distinguish what is a real problem and what is a false detection.

However, this whole thing about AI and its influence on the forum is nothing new, we discussed it back in 2020 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5263133.0), and as things stand, we will increasingly doubt whether we are having a discussion with real people or artificial intelligence.

Please, report low quality posts too. It's all well, and good collecting a reward for this, but how we get to the bottom of it is removing the content from the forum, and potentially punishing any users that are posting absolute crap. I know reporting is a thankless task, but we really do appreciate it. I know the end result might not be want you want, and there sometimes might be disagreement, and unfortunately a lot of users care a lot about their percentage going down, but I'd rather you get 50% of the reports you made handled, than none at all.

For the most part; these detectors are awful, and can't be relied on. There's better one's out there, but still they're too inconsistent. Currently, I'm trying to wrap my own head around it, since I suspect this will continue to be a problem. I know chatGPT are coming out with their own version, which I'd assume will be much better at detecting it. However, I don't really want to rely on that if I can. Some of the texts are pretty easy to decipher, others can be difficult. Straight up identical copies as they're output from the AI itself, can be identified with a decent amount of certainty though. It's when they're changed it makes it difficult or sometimes the AI can be confused what you've asked it, and generate complete gibberish, those are obviously pretty easy to identify. At the moment, it's considering multiple factors, piecing those together, and then ultimately deciding whether it's AI generated or not.

This is indeed a good initiativenkt just to find Ai post but also spam posts. This just proves that some forum members are lazy enough not to write their own post and decided to use AI generated to post. How accurate is it to determine if it really is an AI generated or written by a lersont?. I don't know id there's an AI that makes post that it may looks like it's written by a person. I can only say my opinion since I am not an expert at that.

I've seen in the past more than once notes in the bounties that those finding cheaters could get paid, in a way or another. This is the same logic, since posting AI crap in signature campaigns is cheating, not just spam.
Of course, it's harder to catch that with proper proof, hence the bigger the pay.

I think though that just reporting the spam - AI generated or not - can have the same effect on long term (if people do report at sight) because mods can still remove those posts (hence the bounty/campaign participants won't get paid). Of course, then the reporters won't get paid. But we can't just have them all  ;)

However, indeed, not a bad move for the campaign manager!

So are bots the same as AI scripts or what?  I'm assuming there's not a hell of a lot of difference in either case, but "AI" just sounds so much more nefarious.  And I'm guessing that this forum has had a problem with AI/bots for a long time now, though they've probably gotten harder to detect.

If they can be caught, and if what they write can be detected as garbage.  I'm not sure I'd be able to tell the difference between a script and just some random bounty spammer who can't write English to save his or her life. 

My, my how times have changed.

It's not new to offer a reward to find bad users in a campaign, several campaign managers have done that. It's good business: if there's a bad apple in the campaign, he can be removed without additional cost and without much effort.
I've already found several AI chat bot spammers (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434499.0) recently, but it's going to be hard to prove with 100% certainty.

It's impossible to be 100% sure, and all detectors are flawed. But as a human, it's quite easy to detect, especially if a shitposter suddenly has a long post in perfect English, includes background information that wasn't asked for, and writes much more words than necessary. Like this:

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It's a good start though, if shitposters aren't paid for AI chat spam, they have one less reason to do it.

Yea its a great initiative by Royce777.
I think if the reporter of an offending post/poster doesnt get rewarded for an AI post
but the post is deemed spam the reward should still be awarded.

The idea by Royce777 not only activates all other campaign participants into
detective mode it also acts as a deterrent to those who would consider using AI.
Maybe it will raise the question in potential offenders, Is it worth possibly losing a
weekly wage and seeing it awarded to someone else?

Sometimes is way too easy because of completely misunderstanding the meaning of terms. If you want a good laugh, see here. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4564216.msg61659979#msg61659979)
Sometimes they just write some more or less coherent (techno)babble. Keep in mind, those AI bots are still early.

Still, you're right, if a good AI is used, it may become difficult to catch them (sooner or later). And I expect that more and more of the long 0-value posts be reported as AI texts if they're written proper English (which may or may not be correct).


Indeed.

OMG, that's just straight-up awful.  Glad it got reported--and yet I still wonder if that was from a bot/AI or just some moron who's ignorant as to what this forum is all about simply plagiarizing info about wallets in general (the spiffy leather kinds in particular, lol). 

That post brought me back to 2016 or so, when it seemed like there were tons of posts like that from account farmers just ranking up accounts based on activity alone.  I'm going to quickly forget ever reading that, and I will mention it no further.

This is not a bad idea to report members who are suspected for using AI to generate their posts, but we should be really careful with this before making a report.
I did detect few members recently who probably did something like this and I reported them to moderators, I consider this to be spam that is similar like plagiarism.
Maybe it's time for unofficial forum rules to be updated so that members who are doing repeated AI generated posts can be banned.

I think I tested all of them that exist so far, some are doing very good detection job and others can be improved.
It's enough for me if I notice something suspicious in several posts from specific member, and if several AI detectors confirm my suspicion with high percentage.

Royse777's step to prevent Ai generated content on his campaign shows how much she cares about quality. Very much appreciated and unique approach of her to getting best result for the companies that hires her.
Though it is really tough to detect AI-generated content the reward for that is also good. Some members will accuse anyone without any kind of solid evidence, but Royse777 needs to verify the claim before banning anyone from his campaign and paying the reward to the accuser.
I can not agree with you here. I doubt that anyone here uses google translate for forum posting, and if he/she needs to translate to post he/she also needs a translator for reading the thread.

IMO it's a good idea but the problem here is how to prove that the forum member uses AI tools upon posting.
A low-quality post considered made by AI?
Can AI possibly have wrong grammar when writing posts?

It might we can report low-quality posts but we can't rely on AI tools to determine or detect suspected AI posts.

I use, what's the problem?
I honestly never felt that this was a problem, to communicate. I believe that sometimes it is not the most beautiful English, but it serves to explain my ideas.

As for the translation of topics, something that is also very easy, since browsers have a translation function.

Yup, it is really nice initiative  by @Royse777 and one of the needed stuff right now. With the ChatGPT getting stronger every minute there will be posts and mega threads flooded by the AI written content. I am surfing on another forum for the purpose of learning SEO marketing and blogging and guess what, every other person there just talk about the ChatGPT packages, subscription and asking me to join the programs which include learning about AI based writers.

It's really sickening how things are getting out of hand even when forum is something where you come and meet people's thought, learn in the process and also revert the same way.

If an AI is going to do that for us, then the real question is what are we going to do next? Create an AI fight, about who writes the best and be AFK all the time?


Don't mix up things guys. We are talking about content writing here. Something that is not made up after mixing millions of data points across the global servers. We are not talking about google translate. If you are using it and expressing on other language board then that's good because at least you are using your brain for that.

That is what is expected here from the posts as well.

Its one thing to read posts in English (and understand them) and entirely different to actually write them at a decent level. You would be surprised how many members use Google translate and some of them are very well known and in the best campaigns on the forum.


True, that is the main problem with this idea and decision making shouldn't be relied on using those anti-cheat tools only but also checking prior post history. If you have a member who couldn't write a simple sentence in English and now he suddenly writes essays while anti-cheat tools shows an extremely high chance of plagiarism, you know what's going on there.

I'm not mixing anything. I'm saying that I use google translator to write here, in English. This post was written with the help of google translator.
As @Rikafip pointed out, many use translation tools to communicate across the forum, whether in English or another language.

For this reason, I have already commented that the analysis carried out on texts written by AI must be very careful, to avoid errors.

CMs should explain their thread in what way it is if they have a special type of approach to detect AI. Since this is an incentivized activities, I just think some drama will occur between CPs vs CMs vs incentivized reporters if it uses existing AI detection tools which are generally considered unreliable.

Of course it is, some explanation is expected and that is just to avoid any drama there might be.
As some of the users above have pointed out, the detection tool isn't completely reliable, but I've found that bad posters really can be detected manually. But anyway, CM's idea to prevent AI posts is really good, just need some proper approach before making a decision.

OpenAI has a tool related to it actually, it is called AI text classifier^[1]. The thing is, there is a 1000 minimum characters needed before it works. I tried the words quoted in this thread^[2][3] from chatgpt and some of it works.

Also, Copyleak has AI content detector^[4], i tried the words from the thread mentioned and it is not that 100% accurate coz sometime whenever you change some word on the phrase the result change from "AI content Detected" to "This is human text".

[1] https://platform.openai.com/ai-text-classifier
[2] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5439395.msg61743309#msg61743309
[3] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5438523.0
[4] https://copyleaks.com/features/ai-content-detector

Is it difficult to distinguish between the posts of ordinary people and AI? I think that after a little time it will be easy to know if the post was written by a person or an artificial intelligence.
In general, if someone is so lazy, I don't think he would be stupid to waste his account in order to save several minutes.
you need to search for topic, copy it, paste it to AI window, wait 30-40 Minutes.

I get kinda confused. If an AI uses data from internet, including forums like Reddit and probably bitcointalk too, that means that AI learns our writing style. It learns it to mimic us, right? Then an AI will try to make it as much natural as possible over time. Also, I guess, some people use Grammarly to improve their writing style but Grammarly itself uses natural language processing and machine learning, that can enable a false positive when scanned by AI text scanner.

I understand that according to initiative, claims should be backed by valid arguments if person uses AI and generates content that makes him qualifiable to participate in signature campaign and also gets merits, then let's leave that person in your campaign :D

This initiative is easier said than done.

I am not sure what made you think that an AI text detector can help you identify an AI-based generated text. Sometimes I feel we have become slaves to technology and to prove my point you questioned a human over an AI and then realized it is worthless.

I did a few checks to prove that I am a human and not an AI. I logged into ChatGPT and asked for a reply to your reply. The outcome was elaborate so I edited it and here is the answer.

https://i.imgur.com/v2oloMxl.png

Then I pasted the highlighted text on the detector tool you used and this is the result.

https://i.imgur.com/MAvzWrAl.png

The score is satisfactory for anyone but I still wanted to get 100% from an AI text detector. I went ahead and used a few rephrasing/rewriting tools and I got a 100%.

https://i.imgur.com/sTCqSCUl.png

Please note the difference between the two images and then rethink whether can you detect an AI-generated text from an AI text detector. The image above proves what I wrote:

I hope my J.A.R.V.I.S bot is spared /s

But seriously though, does this rule apply to accounts with are intentionally ran as bots and thus cannot join any sig campaign? I have just figured out how to hook up to OpenAI's API with Python (it will be pretty expensive though without throttling - ChatGPT web would be much better but there will be captchas involved which will also cost money so pretty much the same.), but then some abusive query filter still needs to be made. So I'm just wondering how people would treat bots like ChartBuddy for example - not an AI I know, but a bot nevertheless.

Im with you on this, and also i add, do you know in every single language do you have diferent ranks between:

- Reading
- Writting
- Speaking

Im really good reading and understading, normal to low in writing (so some things i check with the translator) and very bad speaking because i dont talk with any person.

About the IA related.... yes its ok and i dont wanna see them here, but also we have some bad users who answer to this AI profile, when its clearly an AI.

The most easy way to detect chatgpt its because he is very polite, and so correct.

About programs who detect IA the vast mayority are shit.

Has anyone ever thought of asking ChatGPT to make a script with the aim of detecting whether the text is written by the chat or not?  ::)

It would be fun to know the answer, and to know if the supposed script would work.

Good initiative but I am afraid it could be just matter of time before the first wrongly accused campaign participants appear and in the end the campaign manager will have the last word on whether a person stays or leaves with the presented evidence.

I'd wish that detecting AI generated content was as easy as a Bitcoin address signature.
This kind of technology is seemingly going so fast that security measures are staying far behind. 

Sounds spot on, it'd thing to see how people will recognize such texts. Hoping ai users will be revealed in public so other people can also learn how to recognize such texts and also malicious actors learn how to stay undetected  :P

I think that you are very confused and that you are looking for something that is impossible to achieve at this moment. You can play with these detectors as much as you want, but I don't consider them reliable enough to kick someone out of the campaign based on such detections.

The initiative is good, its implementation is very questionable, and I'm not even talking about the time that the manager will have to spend to assess whether something is original content or AI generated. However, if you think you can help the forum in detecting those who abuse it, you can always click on the "report to moderator" button and give your contribution ;)

https://openai.com/blog/new-ai-classifier-for-indicating-ai-written-text/

However:


Having said that...


If someone makes 20 posts and most of them are labelled as "likely AI" by multiple detection tools and generally sound like vague bullshit, then... you know... it's a duck.

Just like with any other issue, e.g. plagiarism - you don't rely on a tool 100%, you need to look into the context of how this occurred, what the potential intent was, etc.

I can agree on that, but considering that the majority will say that any free work is a waste of time, I wonder who will spend their time hunting this new generation of AI posters if we also take into account the attitude of the moderators towards such reports. It seems to me that the majority of such reports could remain unhandled.


Actually, I always rely on some tool that can detect plagiarism, and that tool gives me possible sources that I then check and try to determine if someone has plagiarized their post, whether it is perhaps that someone is the original author and forgot to post the source. I always approach such matters very seriously, and even if I make a mistake, I know that the moderators will not make their decision hastily.

I think Royse's effort to limit the usage of ChatGPT by forum participants in a signature campaign she manages(Yolmix.io) is a smart move. Since there is no developed or well-known tool for such detection, the issue will now be how to be able to detect anyone using the ChatGPT to make posts. The more confusing aspect of utilizing ChatGPT is that it responds to questions presented to her in a completely different way(What a user asks to get his answer will be different from what other user asked to get her answers)

I'm really interested to see how the forum members report on ChatGPT turns out.

I am sorry, everyone had a wrong assumption. I don't deserve the credit but it's Stake manager Carollzinha. I was inspired from his/her post.


As LoyceV said, the idea of rewarding was already existed too. What I did is - learnt from the past experience and mixed it with the new idea to improve the service we provide. It will be challenging but it's needed to appreciate the posters who do good job and genuine.

I had a good laugh at that. It's crazy. What was the poster actually thinking a wallet was. Well, I better stick to their advice and get a conditioner to be cleaning my wallet 🤦

I think a more drastic step should be taken and not only reporting such Al posts. Those accounts should be tagged. It's deceit for me. Except if such account is registered in a way that the community recognizes it's an Al account. We've to know when we're exchanging correspondences with scripts so we don't throw in all our emotions into such banters. Computers don't have emotions.

Well to me this is a good initiatives by Royse777, If i must go deeper it can only be common with bounty campaign instead of signature campaign since there are no much participants. But in normal bounty campaign there are over Hundreds or a thousand (if there's no limitations) participants which might join the campaign and if any of them are bot or using IA to write a report it would be very hard to detect.
In essence what are my saying, this principles should also be implemented in bounty's not only signature campaign and btw, there are limited slot for sig campaign rather than bounties. Most times whenever i made out chance to visit some bounty threads i kept wondering how some participants could just registered a bounty today and immediately submitted all reports without waiting for weekly deadline or even without trying to spread out their task within at least 4 to 6 working days of their signing up.

I don't know if this has already been discussed earlier.

My suggestion is to allow users who suffer suspicions to justify themselves and show that the analyzes are wrong.

Otherwise, I think anyone who makes this type of post should be penalized.

You're absolutely right and that's the tricky part.

Several European universities are conducting research on this topic and are currently testing a software for the automatic recognition of ai-generated essays or scientific articles. Unfortunately, as things stand, the results are anything but satisfactory. AI-generated texts like e.g. from ChatGPT can be modified by small adjustments in a way that a reliable error detection is not possible.

And it is the same with the various 3rd party AI trackers currently offered by many websites. These also do not work reliably and can often be deceived by adjusting just a few words so that a text that was previously output as completely AI-generated subsequently has an extremely low AI score.

Unfortunately, it will be quite difficult to make reasonable statements if someone really used AI to create forum posts. The easiest guess is probably with users who write qualitatively completely different posts from one day to the next - even if there is of course no 100% certainty here. Nevertheless, I think that just the fact that posts will be more closely checked in the future will lead to an increase in posting quality in general.

The problem is that in many cases it's not easy to draw the line and tell beyond doubt that a post is AI generated or not.
And in such cases, while deleting one more more posts is not the end of the world, tagging an account will make it no longer be accepted into the reputable campaigns.

Plus, your proposal has a possible flaw*: if it's AI generated text, then the account can be directly reported for plagiarism and will be banned (thus making the tagging pointless).


* it's only "possible flaw" because it can take a lot until plagiarizing account actually gets banned, hence the tag can have a good effect, albeit for limited time.

For me the real problem its with the exagerated IA post or accounts who are clearly one , and the idiots who still talk with that accounts.

Im refering that one who post something like you have to protect your wallet of leather or sintetic materials..... come on man. And i think if i not remember bad was Neuroticfish the man how catch that no sense and post that hilarious post.

Royse777 absolutely right.
We all guess that in the near future, or already, the forum will be spammed with hundreds of messages authored by AI. And while the algorithms are not perfect, and often the AI writes in general incoherently, we can calculate unscrupulous authors.

Thats info what I have found:

How can a person distinguish an AI text
The neural network writes too concretely. For example, researchers from Google Brain came to the conclusion back in 2019 that AI uses the article the too often because it works on predicting the next word in a sentence. But it is clear that this feature is inherent only in English-language texts.
ChatGPT is already being used as a replacement for search engines, since it gives quite specific answers. But things are worse with her reasoning: for questions like "What is love?" the AI will give a dry formulation, and not an attempt to analyze a complex feeling.
Also, a neural network can very confidently write an absolute lie. It is not her nature to doubt.
The neural network omits the context and personalization of the text. ChatGPT will not be able to convey the experience of a particular person — only try to imitate the experience of millions of people on whose texts the model is trained. But such materials usually lack depth and author's feeling: it's one thing to write a template essay on a literary work, and another to tell how you spent the summer.
Also The neural network does not make mistakes. 

Also here is DETECTOR:
https://openai-openai-detector.hf.space/

I like the idea introduced by the user mentioned by the OP but ChatGPT and other Ai text or written composers are just a piece of plagiarism equipment. To my knowledge, there's no way you can detect whether the text is written by the chat because the artificial intelligence machine was programmed to only searches online all the available content base on the question provided. Besides, it works just like search engines.

Tools to detect ai text are sure to come in matter of time. Where there is need, there is invention.


I have been seeing ai development since years, not sure if it's really that fast.

This will be very tricky. I won't say impossible, more difficult.

Because unless the AI leaves a pattern or signature in the text, it's going to be hard for a detector to tell whether or not it's an AI.
In addition, text AIs can even evolve to give errors in writing, to make it difficult to detect. Or be less "mayors" in the response.

That's not going to be a free one of course. Everyone will come up with a paid subscription model. Allow users to generate text for free, and ask managers to check whether the texts are from AI or not for a fee. How innovative idea! lol. It's the same idea we used to see the corporate business most of the time.
However, it's not that easy to detect. I had a test with other tools and shared my views another day. It's not going to be that easy.

It's such a good move to work against the bounty cheaters on the forum, i think a manager has well announced on something related that when reported with valid evidence they will be rewarded a d the participant will be removed from their campaign and also tagged red, it's a choice if others finds a need for requesting on such or engage doing it by themselves, without stating that already we have some members always on a look for cheaters of any kinds on the forum and they always fish them out even though it may take time to discover any.


Yes, one needed to know how to find one.

Imagine chatgpt itself releases such tool since they alone know their algorithms and have ability to check properly. Corporate business at it's finest.

.... starts spamming anywhere on the internet to earn money.

Why would it need to? It receives its paycheck directly from Microsoft.

I think it only works here.

Maybe I have got the sensation it is going really fast because how things have developed these last year with Artificial inteligences being capable or creating drawings or pictures from text, ect. I know that sort of thing did not come out of nowhere (took years of work and effort). I personally expected this kind of stuff to be available later, like in 10 or 25 years, rather than today.


It may work anywhere on internet where anyone could pass a AI generated text to get a payment.
There is a market for people to write essays and reports on internet and I am afraid universities and teachers still do not have reliable tools to tell the difference.

The difference can be spotted, only when there is a person who is either not fluent in English or not a native. However, a person with good English skills can easily surpass the AI detector test by making some changes to the text (I saw one example in this thread only) and some twisting here and there with a precis or word cuts cannot let even AI decide whether a person wrote the stuff or got it from AI.

But, in the cases of essay writing and report writing given to students by their professors, where the TL;DR applies to some lazy students, they won't change anything or even if they do and are not so fluent or know native English of the specific country (for example, there are differences in some words of UK and US English and even more), the professors will be able to easily catch those students and suspend them.

And, congratulations to Royse and Loyce for finding one user in one of Royse's campaigns. This will give a lesson to AI users that we are ahead of any technology because we created these things.

Well, considering many people around here do not have English as their native language and they may try to use AI in a reckless way to inflate their participation, there is a good chance some of them could get caught eventually, while developers all around internet work on better solutions for detection.

Would you care to link me to the profile of the user you are talking about, I am curious and I would like to give a look to their posts. Thank you in advance.

One example in this thread by LoyceV (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5439469.msg61747411#msg61747411) - I've linked the post to his name and not his profile

The link where he found some cheaters - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434499.0

Another example by elevates in this thread - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5439469.msg61751636#msg61751636

And now, the profile link of the user who tried AI plagiarism in a signature campaign -
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1983110

And finally the link that describes him as an AI spammer -
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg61761161#msg61761161