Good Initiative by Royse777!

[The Sceptical Chymist]

So are bots the same as AI scripts or what?  I'm assuming there's not a hell of a lot of difference in either case, but "AI" just sounds so much more nefarious.  And I'm guessing that this forum has had a problem with AI/bots for a long time now, though they've probably gotten harder to detect.

I think though that just reporting the spam - AI generated or not - can have the same effect on long term (if people do report at sight) because mods can still remove those posts (hence the bounty/campaign participants won't get paid).

If they can be caught, and if what they write can be detected as garbage.  I'm not sure I'd be able to tell the difference between a script and just some random bounty spammer who can't write English to save his or her life. 

My, my how times have changed.

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[LoyceV]

Will other BMs follow his initiative in the future?

It's not new to offer a reward to find bad users in a campaign, several campaign managers have done that. It's good business: if there's a bad apple in the campaign, he can be removed without additional cost and without much effort.
I've already found several AI chat bot spammers recently, but it's going to be hard to prove with 100% certainty.

Although some posts may look like they are the work of AI at first glance, how will you prove that they are really the product of an AI Chat? I have tried 5-6 detectors and I am not satisfied with the results, because even very small changes in the entered text can give completely opposite results.

It's impossible to be 100% sure, and all detectors are flawed. But as a human, it's quite easy to detect, especially if a shitposter suddenly has a long post in perfect English, includes background information that wasn't asked for, and writes much more words than necessary. Like this:

Typically, it adds as much words or phrases as possible to make the post or message sound longer and better. << See what i did there?

It's a good start though, if shitposters aren't paid for AI chat spam, they have one less reason to do it.

[aoluain]

This new initiative as per my knowledge has not be initiated by any other BM other than @Royse777.

I've seen in the past more than once notes in the bounties that those finding cheaters could get paid, in a way or another. This is the same logic, since posting AI crap in signature campaigns is cheating, not just spam.
Of course, it's harder to catch that with proper proof, hence the bigger the pay.

I think though that just reporting the spam - AI generated or not - can have the same effect on long term (if people do report at sight) because mods can still remove those posts (hence the bounty/campaign participants won't get paid). Of course, then the reporters won't get paid. But we can't just have them all  

However, indeed, not a bad move for the campaign manager!

Yea its a great initiative by Royce777.
I think if the reporter of an offending post/poster doesnt get rewarded for an AI post
but the post is deemed spam the reward should still be awarded.

The idea by Royce777 not only activates all other campaign participants into
detective mode it also acts as a deterrent to those who would consider using AI.
Maybe it will raise the question in potential offenders, Is it worth possibly losing a
weekly wage and seeing it awarded to someone else?

[NeuroticFish]

I'm not sure I'd be able to tell the difference between a script and just some random bounty spammer who can't write English to save his or her life.

Sometimes is way too easy because of completely misunderstanding the meaning of terms. If you want a good laugh, see here.
Sometimes they just write some more or less coherent (techno)babble. Keep in mind, those AI bots are still early.

Still, you're right, if a good AI is used, it may become difficult to catch them (sooner or later). And I expect that more and more of the long 0-value posts be reported as AI texts if they're written proper English (which may or may not be correct).

My, my how times have changed.

Indeed.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

If you want a good laugh, see here.

OMG, that's just straight-up awful.  Glad it got reported--and yet I still wonder if that was from a bot/AI or just some moron who's ignorant as to what this forum is all about simply plagiarizing info about wallets in general (the spiffy leather kinds in particular, lol). 

That post brought me back to 2016 or so, when it seemed like there were tons of posts like that from account farmers just ranking up accounts based on activity alone.  I'm going to quickly forget ever reading that, and I will mention it no further.

[dkbit98]

This is not a bad idea to report members who are suspected for using AI to generate their posts, but we should be really careful with this before making a report.
I did detect few members recently who probably did something like this and I reported them to moderators, I consider this to be spam that is similar like plagiarism.
Maybe it's time for unofficial forum rules to be updated so that members who are doing repeated AI generated posts can be banned.

For the most part; these detectors are awful, and can't be relied on.

I think I tested all of them that exist so far, some are doing very good detection job and others can be improved.
It's enough for me if I notice something suspicious in several posts from specific member, and if several AI detectors confirm my suspicion with high percentage.

[drwhobox]

Royse777's step to prevent Ai generated content on his campaign shows how much she cares about quality. Very much appreciated and unique approach of her to getting best result for the companies that hires her.
Though it is really tough to detect AI-generated content the reward for that is also good. Some members will accuse anyone without any kind of solid evidence, but Royse777 needs to verify the claim before banning anyone from his campaign and paying the reward to the accuser.

What I also fear is that many non English members who use Google translate or any other might get banned. Do guys agree with it?

I can not agree with you here. I doubt that anyone here uses google translate for forum posting, and if he/she needs to translate to post he/she also needs a translator for reading the thread.

[sheenshane]

IMO it's a good idea but the problem here is how to prove that the forum member uses AI tools upon posting.
A low-quality post considered made by AI?
Can AI possibly have wrong grammar when writing posts?

It might we can report low-quality posts but we can't rely on AI tools to determine or detect suspected AI posts.

[joker_josue]

What I also fear is that many non English members who use Google translate or any other might get banned. Do guys agree with it?

I can not agree with you here. I doubt that anyone here uses google translate for forum posting, and if he/she needs to translate to post he/she also needs a translator for reading the thread.

I use, what's the problem?
I honestly never felt that this was a problem, to communicate. I believe that sometimes it is not the most beautiful English, but it serves to explain my ideas.

As for the translation of topics, something that is also very easy, since browsers have a translation function.

[Flexystar]

Yup, it is really nice initiative  by @Royse777 and one of the needed stuff right now. With the ChatGPT getting stronger every minute there will be posts and mega threads flooded by the AI written content. I am surfing on another forum for the purpose of learning SEO marketing and blogging and guess what, every other person there just talk about the ChatGPT packages, subscription and asking me to join the programs which include learning about AI based writers.

It's really sickening how things are getting out of hand even when forum is something where you come and meet people's thought, learn in the process and also revert the same way.

If an AI is going to do that for us, then the real question is what are we going to do next? Create an AI fight, about who writes the best and be AFK all the time?

What I also fear is that many non English members who use Google translate or any other might get banned. Do guys agree with it?

I can not agree with you here. I doubt that anyone here uses google translate for forum posting, and if he/she needs to translate to post he/she also needs a translator for reading the thread.

I use, what's the problem?
I honestly never felt that this was a problem, to communicate. I believe that sometimes it is not the most beautiful English, but it serves to explain my ideas.

As for the translation of topics, something that is also very easy, since browsers have a translation function.

Don't mix up things guys. We are talking about content writing here. Something that is not made up after mixing millions of data points across the global servers. We are not talking about google translate. If you are using it and expressing on other language board then that's good because at least you are using your brain for that.

That is what is expected here from the posts as well.

[Rikafip]

I doubt that anyone here uses google translate for forum posting, and if he/she needs to translate to post he/she also needs a translator for reading the thread.

Its one thing to read posts in English (and understand them) and entirely different to actually write them at a decent level. You would be surprised how many members use Google translate and some of them are very well known and in the best campaigns on the forum.

IMO it's a good idea but the problem here is how to prove that the forum member uses AI tools upon posting.

True, that is the main problem with this idea and decision making shouldn't be relied on using those anti-cheat tools only but also checking prior post history. If you have a member who couldn't write a simple sentence in English and now he suddenly writes essays while anti-cheat tools shows an extremely high chance of plagiarism, you know what's going on there.

[joker_josue]

Don't mix up things guys. We are talking about content writing here. Something that is not made up after mixing millions of data points across the global servers. We are not talking about google translate. If you are using it and expressing on other language board then that's good because at least you are using your brain for that.

That is what is expected here from the posts as well.

I'm not mixing anything. I'm saying that I use google translator to write here, in English. This post was written with the help of google translator.
As @Rikafip pointed out, many use translation tools to communicate across the forum, whether in English or another language.

For this reason, I have already commented that the analysis carried out on texts written by AI must be very careful, to avoid errors.

[noorman0]

IMO it's a good idea but the problem here is how to prove that the forum member uses AI tools upon posting.
A low-quality post considered made by AI?
Can AI possibly have wrong grammar when writing posts?

It might we can report low-quality posts but we can't rely on AI tools to determine or detect suspected AI posts.

CMs should explain their thread in what way it is if they have a special type of approach to detect AI. Since this is an incentivized activities, I just think some drama will occur between CPs vs CMs vs incentivized reporters if it uses existing AI detection tools which are generally considered unreliable.

[Falconer]

CMs should explain their thread in what way it is if they have a special type of approach to detect AI. Since this is an incentivized activities, I just think some drama will occur between CPs vs CMs vs incentivized reporters if it uses existing AI detection tools which are generally considered unreliable.

Of course it is, some explanation is expected and that is just to avoid any drama there might be.
As some of the users above have pointed out, the detection tool isn't completely reliable, but I've found that bad posters really can be detected manually. But anyway, CM's idea to prevent AI posts is really good, just need some proper approach before making a decision.

[PX-Z]

there should be a tool that helps users to reveal the AI ​​posts. While I haven't got the tool yet, but maybe someone there knows about it.

OpenAI has a tool related to it actually, it is called AI text classifier^[1]. The thing is, there is a 1000 minimum characters needed before it works. I tried the words quoted in this thread^[2][3] from chatgpt and some of it works.

Also, Copyleak has AI content detector^[4], i tried the words from the thread mentioned and it is not that 100% accurate coz sometime whenever you change some word on the phrase the result change from "AI content Detected" to "This is human text".

[1] https://platform.openai.com/ai-text-classifier
[2] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5439395.msg61743309#msg61743309
[3] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5438523.0
[4] https://copyleaks.com/features/ai-content-detector

[hugeblack]

Is it difficult to distinguish between the posts of ordinary people and AI? I think that after a little time it will be easy to know if the post was written by a person or an artificial intelligence.
In general, if someone is so lazy, I don't think he would be stupid to waste his account in order to save several minutes.
you need to search for topic, copy it, paste it to AI window, wait 30-40 Minutes.

[Synchronice]

I get kinda confused. If an AI uses data from internet, including forums like Reddit and probably bitcointalk too, that means that AI learns our writing style. It learns it to mimic us, right? Then an AI will try to make it as much natural as possible over time. Also, I guess, some people use Grammarly to improve their writing style but Grammarly itself uses natural language processing and machine learning, that can enable a false positive when scanned by AI text scanner.

I understand that according to initiative, claims should be backed by valid arguments if person uses AI and generates content that makes him qualifiable to participate in signature campaign and also gets merits, then let's leave that person in your campaign

This initiative is easier said than done.

[elevates]

Although some posts may look like they are the work of AI at first glance, how will you prove that they are really the product of an AI Chat? I have tried 5-6 detectors and I am not satisfied with the results, because even very small changes in the entered text can give completely opposite results.

Here is the part of your post that one detector says is even 93% fake.

I am not sure what made you think that an AI text detector can help you identify an AI-based generated text. Sometimes I feel we have become slaves to technology and to prove my point you questioned a human over an AI and then realized it is worthless.

I did a few checks to prove that I am a human and not an AI. I logged into ChatGPT and asked for a reply to your reply. The outcome was elaborate so I edited it and here is the answer.



Then I pasted the highlighted text on the detector tool you used and this is the result.



The score is satisfactory for anyone but I still wanted to get 100% from an AI text detector. I went ahead and used a few rephrasing/rewriting tools and I got a 100%.



Please note the difference between the two images and then rethink whether can you detect an AI-generated text from an AI text detector. The image above proves what I wrote:

I think it is tricky but can get good results.

[NotATether]

I hope my J.A.R.V.I.S bot is spared /s

But seriously though, does this rule apply to accounts with are intentionally ran as bots and thus cannot join any sig campaign? I have just figured out how to hook up to OpenAI's API with Python (it will be pretty expensive though without throttling - ChatGPT web would be much better but there will be captchas involved which will also cost money so pretty much the same.), but then some abusive query filter still needs to be made. So I'm just wondering how people would treat bots like ChartBuddy for example - not an AI I know, but a bot nevertheless.

[Volgastallion]

What I also fear is that many non English members who use Google translate or any other might get banned. Do guys agree with it?

I can not agree with you here. I doubt that anyone here uses google translate for forum posting, and if he/she needs to translate to post he/she also needs a translator for reading the thread.

I use, what's the problem?
I honestly never felt that this was a problem, to communicate. I believe that sometimes it is not the most beautiful English, but it serves to explain my ideas.

As for the translation of topics, something that is also very easy, since browsers have a translation function.

Im with you on this, and also i add, do you know in every single language do you have diferent ranks between:

- Reading
- Writting
- Speaking

Im really good reading and understading, normal to low in writing (so some things i check with the translator) and very bad speaking because i dont talk with any person.

About the IA related.... yes its ok and i dont wanna see them here, but also we have some bad users who answer to this AI profile, when its clearly an AI.

The most easy way to detect chatgpt its because he is very polite, and so correct.

About programs who detect IA the vast mayority are shit.