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Title: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: Z390 on March 12, 2023, 01:36:11 PM
I come from a hard-core farming family, and we are all involved in agriculture. I was able to get ( inherit) an acre of land from my parents, and I started my cocoa farming business in 2010. Since then, it has improved greatly, and I have been able to purchase a sizable amount of Bitcoin with the business, even though it is seasonal and can produce both good and bad results.

Although I did everything in my power to increase business adoption of cryptocurrencies, I gave away some Bitcoin and some other coins too, and Bitcoin was my primary goal to use as means of exchange , yet, I have failed badly.

Those who buy bags of cocoa from my farm are older illiterate people, I wasted my energy,  trying to even tell them the benefits that comes with paying with Bitcoin, they are not even ready to take advantage of my discount, then I stopped.

In 2020, two special buyers are now handled by younger guys, the sons, I thought I will be able to handle them and make Bitcoin payment a possibility,  it still doesn't work, these young lads are just like their old men.

So I give up, I decided to talk about this because I still find it hard to believe that no where in this world of agriculture is accepting Bitcoin as means of payment. 

Is there anyone into agriculture and farming that are accepting Bitcoin?

What advice do you have for me at this point?

Should I just give up for now and wait for the future maybe when Bitcoin gets more popular? Or Bitcoin and farming makes no sense together?


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: Darker45 on March 12, 2023, 02:01:13 PM
If I were a cocoa buyer, why should I be paying in Bitcoin? Yes, there is a discount, but is that discount big enough that somebody who is not familiar with it will go through all the hassles just to be able to pay in something they don't have any inkling of?

If I were you, I'd rather not insist on my buyers to use Bitcoin. If they're using cash, they're probably more convenient with it.

I don't know which country you are from, but here, those who are in agriculture, especially those who are really on the ground, are the ones who are least techy. There's no point convincing them to use Bitcoin rather than cold cash.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: CryptSafe on March 12, 2023, 02:21:02 PM
I know how frustrating it is after putting much efforts in achieving something and at the entire end it seems nothing is showing up, your efforts seems to be in vain. I understand your pain mate but you should know most elderly do not have that idea what bitcoin is. They are skeptical about it as they are not digitally inclined to be knowledgeable about it. You convincing them is a waste of time and another is their occupation, farmers spend their time mostly in the farm and resent to digital technology. They think it is a waste of time when all they do is virtually manual labor except for those into mechanised farming. The poor rural farmers would not think about bitcoin because they do not know what it is except the mechanised farmers who are exposed to technology.

You should better not stress yourself trying to convince the local farmers because they still would not give in except they show interest in it by themselves. I have come to realize one thing about humans that convincing a fellow who is not interested in something would never give in only when they pick interest in it or they are open to learning new things that is when they would give you a listening ear otherwise forget about it they would not listen to you. What I would advise you to do is to make bitcoin payment optional for them and continue your trading with a little enlightenment on bitcoin to them gradually the ones ready will definitely pick interest.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: mindrust on March 12, 2023, 02:32:39 PM
Give up on what? Promoting bitcoin? Since you are doing it voluntarily, it is up to you. Nobody will blame you if you do that. We all have our own problems in life and sometimes we just don’t have enough time and energy to go after the other things. Priorities basically. Just do what you want to do, do what makes you happy. You didn’t sign any papers when you started your journey did you? Then why would you or anybody else care about what you do? (Or don’t do for that matter)


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: Fiatless on March 12, 2023, 02:47:06 PM
Who said you have failed? You have not failed bro. because you did your best to introduce it to them. Your location and their level of education is affecting their level of reasoning. I guess you are staying in the rural area which means they are not really exposed to information technology.

It is not everyone that must accept or deal with Bitcoin. Bitcoin is not for everybody, it is just for a selected few for now. But you don't need to stop trying because you might meet someone that will be interested. I know you want to spread Bitcoin awarenesses but you should not be burdened with it. See it as fun and not a do-or-die affairs because it seems you are taking it too seriously. Accepting Bitcoin should be voluntary and not by compulsion.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: NeuroticFish on March 12, 2023, 02:48:58 PM
Should I just give up for now and wait for the future maybe when Bitcoin gets more popular? Or Bitcoin and farming makes no sense together?

From my understanding you haven't lost any money, maybe some time, but that's all. That's not really "failed too severely" imho, I think that you're too harsh with yourself.

Now to your question: keep in mind that there are still a huge lot of people, many even into IT for example, who don't care about bitcoin. So expecting people in farming getting instantly interested into bitcoin is unrealistic.
Even more, if they don't invest into bitcoin (don't trust it) and if they don't actually need to use bitcoin (because they can transfer money via banks and similar institutions), it's not unusual they won't care about your goals/interests.
Sadly, if there is banking infrastructure available, people tend to care (especially at first) only of bitcoin-as-investment (if at all) than of bitcoin-as-money.

So it's not so much about farming. It's more about what (infrastructure) the people have around them and whether they are interested in investing in this or not. I find this somewhat similar to us (humans in general) looking out for alien life. It's rather unlikely to find that, but that doesn't stop us keep searching and not seeing the lack of results as a "severe failure".

But it's your time and energy, so it's up to you whether you give up or continue. I will add only one small detail: when a new bull run/FOMO bubble will start, people will become much more interested in bitcoin than they are now. But if they'll invest then, there's a reasonable chance (depending on how late they invest) they'll be at a loss in the following crypto winter (and may blame that to you).


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: Cantsay on March 12, 2023, 02:55:00 PM
I know what you're trying to accomplish is very good, but to me I feel those people should accept Bitcoin willingly rather than then using because they'll receive some discount from your business. What then will happen when you no longer offer discount to those that are using Bitcoin? Since at the beginning they adopted Bitcoin due to the fact that you incentive the usage of Bitcoin and when that option is no longer available they are surely going to abandon it.

Another concern is their age, how sure are you that they will be able to handle losses? From the business you're running I'm not sure if they will have enough funds to cover/sustain and continue doing their business when the market condition is not good. So you should respect their decision of using fiat since they're more comfortable with it.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: Dickiy on March 12, 2023, 02:56:09 PM
I don't think you have to force bitcoin to be used like that directly, make bitcoin as an alternative means of payment for them. Especially if your customers don't understand bitcoin, it will definitely be very difficult for you and them. For a while I think you have to educate them slowly and make a better offer to make them more interested in the promotion you have used.
If selling your cocoa is still within the scope of the area where you live it will be very difficult for you and other people if it is not accompanied by educating your customers about what bitcoin is and how to use it and exchange it.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: Davidvictorson on March 12, 2023, 03:11:16 PM
Sometime ago, I wrote about the use case of Bitcoin in agriculture as apayment form agro equipment. In your case, if you deal with the local farmers directly or you have people who work on your farm, payment in Bitcoin may not be feasible as they have not been exposed to Bitcoin. However, if you have the finished agro products, you may decide to accept Bitcoin as a payment option for the sales of the goods. You may also pay for equipment from abroad in Bitcoin. Aside from these, nothing else comes to mind.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: Yatsan on March 12, 2023, 03:23:29 PM
First of all, why are you even forcing this technology to sectors? Let them be. If you are that eager in this industry then directly invest into it without pushing other merchants or sector to use it as a mode of payment. Continue your agricultural business and invest your profit to this technology, as simple as that. Not all people are knowledgeable or even interested with risky assets and investments. Better make your own adjustments then than to rant with things you cannot even controll in the first place. You are free to share information if you really care but that is way different from persuading them to engage with what you are interested of.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: MaterialMouse69 on March 12, 2023, 03:38:30 PM

What advice do you have for me at this point?

Should I just give up for now and wait for the future maybe when Bitcoin gets more popular? Or Bitcoin and farming makes no sense together?


If you are in business, you should accept kinds of mode of payment for your customers convenience. What can you do if two old people just want to buy some cocoa then you will ask them to pay with bitcoin which they have no idea what is it. You can simply put a sign "bitcoin payment accepted here" so people may have an idea with bitcoin. You already said that you're doing good in your business, you can still invest in bitcoin without asking your customer to use bitcoin as payment. Because if we say "bitcoin" people would think that is a part of crypto which they have no idea and wouldn't risk to try it. Why would they hassle themselves if they can pay normally right? Don't give up, farming is hard but its a good business which I respected a lot since they help to supply needs for people.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: Lucius on March 12, 2023, 03:51:00 PM
Since then, it has improved greatly, and I have been able to purchase a sizable amount of Bitcoin with the business, even though it is seasonal and can produce both good and bad results.
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So I give up, I decided to talk about this because I still find it hard to believe that no where in this world of agriculture is accepting Bitcoin as means of payment. 
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Should I just give up for now and wait for the future maybe when Bitcoin gets more popular? Or Bitcoin and farming makes no sense together?

Your problem is actually that you expect that these people should pay in Bitcoin, regardless of the fact that they may be ordinary peasants who are poorly educated and work in the fields from morning to night. The thing is very simple, you add the option of paying in Bitcoin, and you tell people that this option exists - everything else you do in this regard seems to put pressure on customers and maybe they will stop doing business with you in the future.

After all, you can always use your earnings to buy Bitcoin. You are overcomplicating things that should be quite simple.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: maydna on March 12, 2023, 03:55:10 PM
Bitcoin can be used as a payment. But for your case, where not many people know about bitcoin, I suggest you not to tell about bitcoin first and keep making payments as usual. Maybe bitcoin is still difficult for those who are used to using normal payments. So even if you explain in more detail about bitcoin, it seems they are also not interested at all.

It is a challenge for you, but again, the time and situation are not right to explain bitcoin. So I suggest postponing your plan to use bitcoin as an alternative means of payment. You should not force them to comply with your wishes because they are already comfortable with what they have done.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: bettercrypto on March 12, 2023, 03:55:37 PM
Giving up just because they don't want to agree to what you want them to pay you with bitcoin? That seems like a superficial reason, maybe you just lack the right explanation to them, as long as you simplify the explanation they will really have interest.

    Maybe because you told them to pay you bitcoin and you just taught them how to create an address and so on, of course in that case you have no interest to be seen by them. Maybe change your approach to them, it should be in line with their understanding so that they have an interest in what you say. And when that happens, you're in agriculture that's how bitcoin will be reported as a payment method.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: isaac_clarke22 on March 12, 2023, 04:02:58 PM
Not really sure where you reside, but had you made your research first or at least consult the people around your area if they are even at least interested to learn more about crypto like Bitcoin? Just like what others mentioned here, the people around you does not seem like to be interested at crypto at all and you even mentioned that there are "illiterate" people there.

You did not fail, OP. You just did not do the pre-requisite things to consider before you made Bitcoin as a payment method. Well I do not have idea on how advanced agriculture is to other countries, but I am pretty sure that cryptos are not yet part of many businesses relating to agricultural industries out there. I wouldn't say that you should give up, but maybe hold the usage of crypto for now, maybe?


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: pawanjain on March 12, 2023, 04:06:46 PM
I come from a hard-core farming family, and we are all involved in agriculture. I was able to get ( inherit) an acre of land from my parents, and I started my cocoa farming business in 2010. Since then, it has improved greatly, and I have been able to purchase a sizable amount of Bitcoin with the business, even though it is seasonal and can produce both good and bad results.

Although I did everything in my power to increase business adoption of cryptocurrencies, I gave away some Bitcoin and some other coins too, and Bitcoin was my primary goal to use as means of exchange , yet, I have failed badly.

Those who buy bags of cocoa from my farm are older illiterate people, I wasted my energy,  trying to even tell them the benefits that comes with paying with Bitcoin, they are not even ready to take advantage of my discount, then I stopped.

In 2020, two special buyers are now handled by younger guys, the sons, I thought I will be able to handle them and make Bitcoin payment a possibility,  it still doesn't work, these young lads are just like their old men.

So I give up, I decided to talk about this because I still find it hard to believe that no where in this world of agriculture is accepting Bitcoin as means of payment. 

Is there anyone into agriculture and farming that are accepting Bitcoin?

What advice do you have for me at this point?

Should I just give up for now and wait for the future maybe when Bitcoin gets more popular? Or Bitcoin and farming makes no sense together?

I know it must be really frustrating to teach people about bitcoin yet they don't really wanna utilize the benefits.
You can't really convince a person who don't "want" to get convinced.
You should stop trying so much and just keep the option of cryptocurrencies open while accepting fiat payments too.
Those who really want to utilize the discount and are willing to put in the efforts to learn more about bitcoin then they will come to you directly.
You don't really have to push yourself so much just to get annoyed.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: Spaceman1000$ on March 12, 2023, 04:15:46 PM
I rather think you should do more of educating the young lads about Bitcoin, instead of telling them to pay with Bitcoin. I think your location has a great deal to play, when it comes to BITCOIN as a means of payment wether is an agricultural produce or not.

Ordinarily by mere engagement, you will know the the literacy level of Bitcoin by your customers before asking them to pay with it.
 I believe you should do more of the educating them time after time, till they are well conversant with the payment option your giving them.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: Anonylz on March 12, 2023, 04:45:02 PM
Alternatively, why not buy btc with the income you earn from selling cocoa to your local buyers? the awareness of btc is tsill very limited in urban cities let alone rural communities.
It is difficult for some people to pay with their btc knowing what they can get if they hold for even a longer period. So instead of waiting and hoping one day, people will buy your cocoa with btc better to invest in it with the money earned and still profit either way.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: Bananington on March 12, 2023, 04:54:28 PM
Should I just give up for now and wait for the future maybe when Bitcoin gets more popular? Or Bitcoin and farming makes no sense together?
If you notice that people around you do not yet know about bitcoins and how it can be used for transactions, you have to first organize maybe a lecture where you can invite your fellow business people in agriculture, your customers and interested people to learn about a new payment method. That sounds more attractive than trying to introduce and convince people at the point at which they are about to pay for goods to consider a new transaction method, they will not want to listen at that point because they are interested in completing their transaction with you and leaving with their goods.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: virasog on March 12, 2023, 05:13:12 PM
Should I just give up for now and wait for the future maybe when Bitcoin gets more popular? Or Bitcoin and farming makes no sense together?

Unfortunately, most farmers are uneducated, and they may find it challenging to understand bitcoin and the importance of the digital currency. Anyways you do not need to lose hope as with the passage of time bitcoin adoption will increase in every field of life. You should continue your struggle as it will be rewarded one day.

Sometime ago, I wrote about the use case of Bitcoin in agriculture as apayment form agro equipment. In your case, if you deal with the local farmers directly or you have people who work on your farm, payment in Bitcoin may not be feasible as they have not been exposed to Bitcoin. However, if you have the finished agro products, you may decide to accept Bitcoin as a payment option for the sales of the goods. You may also pay for equipment from abroad in Bitcoin. Aside from these, nothing else comes to mind.

Also, a lot depends upon the approach of the government regarding cryptocurrencies. If the government shows some willingness to adopt bitcoin, then local farmers will find it much easy to accept bitcoin.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: Captain Corporate on March 12, 2023, 05:18:56 PM
It is true that bitcoin investment is not a linear thing and there is this huge disappointment in people when things start to look like its not going to be alright. I personally understand the situation because it is frustrating to just focus on how you could make money when in reality it keeps getting worse. Plus, when you have real life issues and struggles, working extra hard becomes an issue as well, thank god I have the best boss the world has ever seen, he is not just a boss but a friend after this many years and I love him more than most of my family members and he understands the struggles of life and never pushes me. But you can't give up, work a small bit, even give a break if you have to, but keep grinding as much as you can, if you give up then you will never achieve anything.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: Mpamaegbu on March 12, 2023, 05:51:41 PM
Should I just give up for now and wait for the future maybe when Bitcoin gets more popular? Or Bitcoin and farming makes no sense together?
You should quit making it look like you're coercing your buyers into using Bitcoin for payment. You've to pipe low. Just hang a Bitcoin notice as an option of payment in your store or office but don't stress evangelizing its us, knowing you're in a fairly illiterate community. Accepting new things takes time to get used to on their own. I believe your people will get interested in using Bitcoin faster if the bonus you said you're offering is mouth watering. Something has to entice them. Other than that, they're not likely to try it out.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: bittraffic on March 12, 2023, 05:52:05 PM
Just accept fiat then. It shouldn't be a problem since you can use the money to buy BTC which I think is also your goal. Say you accept cash deposits to a platform where you can easily access to buy BTC.

You are a cocoa producer, you can try promoting BTC but eventually, people will adopt BTC or crypto, banks will do it for you as they are collapsing.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: kamvreto on March 12, 2023, 06:25:16 PM
The first thing you need to do to get them interested, especially young people with high enthusiasm, you have to provide some education and what benefits or advantages bitcoin will provide. than you force them in the beginning it will not be good and will not produce anything. But if you start introducing bitcoin slowly they will definitely think about bitcoin and start studying bitcoin. There are many ways this can be done, if you are patient you will get their interest in bitcoin. But yes, back again, there will be some people who are pros and cons of using bitcoin, and it also depends on how crypto regulations are implemented in your country.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: serveria.com on March 12, 2023, 06:44:27 PM
I come from a hard-core farming family, and we are all involved in agriculture. I was able to get ( inherit) an acre of land from my parents, and I started my cocoa farming business in 2010. Since then, it has improved greatly, and I have been able to purchase a sizable amount of Bitcoin with the business, even though it is seasonal and can produce both good and bad results.

Although I did everything in my power to increase business adoption of cryptocurrencies, I gave away some Bitcoin and some other coins too, and Bitcoin was my primary goal to use as means of exchange , yet, I have failed badly.

Those who buy bags of cocoa from my farm are older illiterate people, I wasted my energy,  trying to even tell them the benefits that comes with paying with Bitcoin, they are not even ready to take advantage of my discount, then I stopped.

In 2020, two special buyers are now handled by younger guys, the sons, I thought I will be able to handle them and make Bitcoin payment a possibility,  it still doesn't work, these young lads are just like their old men.

So I give up, I decided to talk about this because I still find it hard to believe that no where in this world of agriculture is accepting Bitcoin as means of payment. 

Is there anyone into agriculture and farming that are accepting Bitcoin?

What advice do you have for me at this point?

Should I just give up for now and wait for the future maybe when Bitcoin gets more popular? Or Bitcoin and farming makes no sense together?

I guess the businesses of these two buyers you mentioned are still being run by the same old guys, their sons are merely the reps who are doing what the business owner tells them to. So how can you expect any change? And yeah, many people still think Bitcoin is some kind of ponzi and would avoid it. Can't blame them if they make a living from their business.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: lionheart78 on March 12, 2023, 06:47:21 PM
Is there anyone into agriculture and farming that are accepting Bitcoin?

If there is a good catch, I believe there will be.

What advice do you have for me at this point?

Should I just give up for now and wait for the future maybe when Bitcoin gets more popular? Or Bitcoin and farming makes no sense together?

I think you are already there but have the wrong audience and probably strategy.  Giving away Bitcoin is not the right thing to do when you are in business especially if you are the producer and No one values anything that is given for free.  It is better to give a discount price if they pay on bitcoin, a 3%-10% discount is good enough motivation for the bulk buyers to use Bitcoin as a mode of payment.  Just give them a very good reason to use Bitcoin and if you did, you will be surprised how effective it is.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: Issa56 on March 12, 2023, 06:56:09 PM
What advice do you have for me at this point?
You have tried to convince them to pay with bitcoin but they rejected your offer, you have tried but did you ask yourself if those people you are asking them to pay with bitcoin knows anything about bitcoin? You don't just expect someone that those not know anything about bitcoin to come to your farm and you will ask him to pay with bitcoin, definitely they won't accept your offer.

The best thing you should do is start introducing them to bitcoin whenever they come to your farm, you can start telling them about what bitcoin is all about jokingly.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: lionheart78 on March 12, 2023, 07:10:43 PM
What advice do you have for me at this point?
The best thing you should do is start introducing them to bitcoin whenever they come to your farm, you can start telling them about what bitcoin is all about jokingly.

This is too troublesome if you joke with your client about bitcoin, they will not take paying in Bitcoin seriously, the best move in introducing Bitcoin for payment is to tell them about an option of paying less if they pay in Bitcoin.  I think that will make them interested.  @OP can even make a banner of a price list showing a discounted price if they pay in Bitcoin or make promotional ads about the idea.  The client will ask it themselves since I believe as a customer we always want to pay less as much as possible.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: Issa56 on March 12, 2023, 08:06:53 PM
This is too troublesome if you joke with your client about bitcoin, they will not take paying in Bitcoin seriously, the best move in introducing Bitcoin for payment is to tell them about an option of paying less if they pay in Bitcoin.  I think that will make them interested.  @OP can even make a banner of a price list showing a discounted price if they pay in Bitcoin or make promotional ads about the idea.  The client will ask it themselves since I believe as a customer we always want to pay less as much as possible.
You can't just expect customers to come to your farm and you ask them to pay with bitcoin just like that, you have to introduce bitcoin to them in a friendly way first that was why I said the OP should introduce bitcoin to them jokingly.
Someone that those not know anything about bitcoin, even if you ask them to pay less if they are paying with bitcoin, they will still reject the offer even with the discount, they will prefer to pay with fiat currency without discount.
Farmers in my country are mostly in rural areas, and most of them know nothing about bitcoin, so even if you are going to introduce bitcoin to them, it will be a gradual process.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: TimeTeller on March 12, 2023, 08:36:08 PM
This is too troublesome if you joke with your client about bitcoin, they will not take paying in Bitcoin seriously, the best move in introducing Bitcoin for payment is to tell them about an option of paying less if they pay in Bitcoin.  I think that will make them interested.  @OP can even make a banner of a price list showing a discounted price if they pay in Bitcoin or make promotional ads about the idea.  The client will ask it themselves since I believe as a customer we always want to pay less as much as possible.
You can't just expect customers to come to your farm and you ask them to pay with bitcoin just like that, you have to introduce bitcoin to them in a friendly way first that was why I said the OP should introduce bitcoin to them jokingly.
Someone that those not know anything about bitcoin, even if you ask them to pay less if they are paying with bitcoin, they will still reject the offer even with the discount, they will prefer to pay with fiat currency without discount.
Farmers in my country are mostly in rural areas, and most of them know nothing about bitcoin, so even if you are going to introduce bitcoin to them, it will be a gradual process.

That is true, you can't just expect them to follow what you said especially if they don't know about bitcoin.
But you can always say or post in your farm that you accept bitcoin. It is up to the buyer if they will pay or not.
Now, if someone is interested but don't know how to transact, then, that's the time you will assist them how to use bitcoin.
But if not, don't force them to pay you with btc. Let them willingly do the act so they won't feel harassed.
Going into this market should be voluntarily and not because you are oblige from someone, it would be good if you are not being forced into this market.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: StarKay on March 12, 2023, 08:42:45 PM
Is there anyone into agriculture and farming that are accepting Bitcoin?

What advice do you have for me at this point?

Should I just give up for now and wait for the future maybe when Bitcoin gets more popular? Or Bitcoin and farming makes no sense together?

1. I don't know anyone in Agriculture that accepts Bitcoin and I think it is because most of them are old and are not ready to adopt Bitcoin.

2. Instead of giving out discount, you should collect fiat and use it to buy bitcoin for yourself. That way you are also helping with Bitcoin adoption.

3. You don't have to give up, if you as a farmer is into Bitcoin, I am sure that soon you will meet others just like you.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: blockman on March 12, 2023, 08:54:30 PM
I'm not into that nature of business and that's one of the businesses that I find noble because if it's not for the farmers regardless of what you farm, what we shall eat?
IMHO, just keep on doing what you're doing and if you think that you've failed because of the customers that are not even eager to what you're explaining the benefits and discounts you're giving to them upon paying through bitcoin, that's okay. You don't have to stress yourself from within and just always be willing to accept bitcoin whenever you've got a surprising encounter from a random customer that's very open to that idea and who knows, one of your customers in the nearest future is also a bitcoin enthusiast for which you'll talk a lot about it.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: lalabotax on March 12, 2023, 09:09:08 PM
Is there anyone into agriculture and farming that are accepting Bitcoin?
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Should I just give up for now and wait for the future maybe when Bitcoin gets more popular? Or Bitcoin and farming makes no sense together?
It is not about what kind of agriculture will make Bitcoin become more popular. But this is about the readiness of the society around you with Bitcoin.Introducing Bitcoin to other people is exactly a very kind way to let more people know about the benefits of Bitcoin. But, it doesn't mean forcing Bitcoin on other people.
there is readiness of the people and it will be different. Those people may really not know about Bitcoin, or they may see Bitcoin as a very risky way. rather than forcing them because they don't really understand Bitcoin, it will be very risky, right?
Just let it be.
If someday there is someone who will pay you with Bitcoin, just accept it. But you can still continue to introduce Bitcoin, but not for forcing them and expecting too much to use Bitcoin as payment.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: GideonGono on March 12, 2023, 10:22:04 PM
I come from a hard-core farming family, and we are all involved in agriculture. I was able to get ( inherit) an acre of land from my parents, and I started my cocoa farming business in 2010. Since then, it has improved greatly, and I have been able to purchase a sizable amount of Bitcoin with the business, even though it is seasonal and can produce both good and bad results.

Although I did everything in my power to increase business adoption of cryptocurrencies, I gave away some Bitcoin and some other coins too, and Bitcoin was my primary goal to use as means of exchange , yet, I have failed badly.

Those who buy bags of cocoa from my farm are older illiterate people, I wasted my energy,  trying to even tell them the benefits that comes with paying with Bitcoin, they are not even ready to take advantage of my discount, then I stopped.

In 2020, two special buyers are now handled by younger guys, the sons, I thought I will be able to handle them and make Bitcoin payment a possibility,  it still doesn't work, these young lads are just like their old men.

So I give up, I decided to talk about this because I still find it hard to believe that no where in this world of agriculture is accepting Bitcoin as means of payment. 

Is there anyone into agriculture and farming that are accepting Bitcoin?

What advice do you have for me at this point?

Should I just give up for now and wait for the future maybe when Bitcoin gets more popular? Or Bitcoin and farming makes no sense together?
Just look at it on their perspective.
Do you see any means to pay with Bitcoin?
Would it be worth it?
Yes you are giving them discounts if they would pay you with crypto, but how about the fee? how about the process of buying crypto?
Don't you see their prespeuthat it isn't really that much of a help for them, instead it is just another work for them.
So they are choosing the easiest way for them to pay, I know that you just want to help them be aware of crypto but we couldn't force people to believe or like what we believe or like.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: Zorigi on March 12, 2023, 10:53:17 PM
I think we shouldn't push ourselves too hard, for example we want people to buy using bitcoin,

I don't think it matters if for example people buy from us with cash
because it's the buyer's right,
I think it's better if you accept both cash and bitcoin as payment, so don't push yourself too hard, I think.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: Issa56 on March 12, 2023, 11:34:14 PM
I think we shouldn't push ourselves too hard, for example we want people to buy using bitcoin,

I don't think it matters if for example people buy from us with cash
because it's the buyer's right,
I think it's better if you accept both cash and bitcoin as payment, so don't push yourself too hard, I think.
When the OP keeps on pushing them to make payment with bitcoin, don't be suprise that he will start losing customers because they will think he wants to scam them. I know some people that still believe bitcoin is ponzi scheme, have tried my best multiple times to explain to them but they don't believe, so the only thing I can do is to leave them, with time they will discover what bitcoin is all about. Old people and people in rural areas don't really know much about bitcoin, I think people in rural areas needs special awareness about bitcoin.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: loopes on March 12, 2023, 11:59:18 PM
Is there anyone into agriculture and farming that are accepting Bitcoin?
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Should I just give up for now and wait for the future maybe when Bitcoin gets more popular? Or Bitcoin and farming makes no sense together?
It is not about what kind of agriculture will make Bitcoin become more popular. But this is about the readiness of the society around you with Bitcoin.Introducing Bitcoin to other people is exactly a very kind way to let more people know about the benefits of Bitcoin. But, it doesn't mean forcing Bitcoin on other people.
there is readiness of the people and it will be different. Those people may really not know about Bitcoin, or they may see Bitcoin as a very risky way. rather than forcing them because they don't really understand Bitcoin, it will be very risky, right?
Just let it be.
If someday there is someone who will pay you with Bitcoin, just accept it. But you can still continue to introduce Bitcoin, but not for forcing them and expecting too much to use Bitcoin as payment.
Bitcoin are strange by the people who do not know about it's technology. You can not force them instead of educated them. But you have a good intention to make them be aware with bitcoin.
you have no obligation to make them be aware with bitcoin but it's not a mistake that you want to keep introducing bitcoin to your customers/your farming bussiness partners.
You can also make change in agriculture adopting blockchain technology that make them more interesting to know or use bitcoin as a new technology for them.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: BenCodie on March 13, 2023, 12:07:42 AM
I would not give up entirely. You can still accept Bitcoin and adopt it in a way that you can balance it with your operations. There's no reason to just cut your efforts off. It will not look good especially to those you have already endorsed it. Maybe you need incentives? Increase your prices for fiat and/or have discounts for those who choose to deal with you in Bitcoin. If there's no incentive to choose Bitcoin over other convenient methods, then there's no reason for people to use it, especially if they care very little about the capabilities and impact that Bitcoin has on money.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: Charmekkd on March 13, 2023, 12:29:03 AM
Indeed, in this case, there are still many people who are not know with bitcoin, especially for making payments, so you have to be patient, friends, about this.
and in my opinion do not take this too seriously.
and it must be remembered that people's thinking is different, as well as the payment system, of course different wishes.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: lienfaye on March 13, 2023, 01:03:44 AM
Should I just give up for now and wait for the future maybe when Bitcoin gets more popular? Or Bitcoin and farming makes no sense together?
Let's accept that not everyone are aware of Bitcoin existence even in urban areas where people are expose to new development. So what's more to those who are in agriculture sector? Hence it is understandable if they seem not updated to the current technology, not only because of their background but also because of their interest.

We can't expect everyone to know and think the same way like us, what matter is you tried. You didn't fail, it's just that, the people surrounding you are probably not techy or never heard yet about this digital currency.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: Japinat on March 13, 2023, 02:58:46 AM
The OP just happened to be in a good time but wrong place.

I mean that is already expected that nobody would know about the existence of what you're saying or get interested about it especially if you're doing that in a rural place. OP has also said it to himself and already knew that most of his customers are illiterate and old, so that's totally understandable that no one would by the OP's bags of cocoa in the form of cryptocurrency even if it is on a discounted price, surely that discount is not as big as 40 to 50 percent because you can tell why they are not interested at it.

I know your motive OP and I totally understand it, you just want to tell them that there is bitcoin and it's a gift given to us by Satoshi Nakamoto but you should also understand why they wouldn't want to convert their fiats into crypto just to buy your bags of cocoa. First it is a hassle to them because they are illiterate, 2nd is they have no reasons at all to have their funds converted in a form of crypto because their funds is just enough for them to survive on a daily basis.

That is why I said that you are in a wrong place, try to sell your bags of cocoa in an urban area with that same discount, I bet you will have such customers who are willing to buy it in a form of crypto.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: LogitechMouse on March 13, 2023, 03:11:06 AM
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Is there anyone into agriculture and farming that are accepting Bitcoin?

What advice do you have for me at this point?

Should I just give up for now and wait for the future maybe when Bitcoin gets more popular? Or Bitcoin and farming makes no sense together?
You forgot to make a research regarding these old people that you are saying.

You said already that they're old therefore, they didn't encounter things like Bitcoin or cryptocurrencies in general, and will never try to learn it anymore because they're old already. At least you consider that factor as well, but you didn't, and even though you encouraged them to use it, they didn't even care at all because they don't want to learn it or use it.

Just give up accepting Bitcoin in your current business especially if you knew already that it will not work. As per my observation, those establishments who are accepting Bitcoin are establishments that have been built in an area where there's many people like in malls. I didn't even see anything that's related to agriculture that accepted Bitcoin as a payment. Saying that it makes no sense isn't the word, but maybe it's better to say that we aren't ready for that thing.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: danadc on March 13, 2023, 03:35:45 AM
I come from a hard-core farming family, and we are all involved in agriculture. I was able to get ( inherit) an acre of land from my parents, and I started my cocoa farming business in 2010. Since then, it has improved greatly, and I have been able to purchase a sizable amount of Bitcoin with the business, even though it is seasonal and can produce both good and bad results.

Although I did everything in my power to increase business adoption of cryptocurrencies, I gave away some Bitcoin and some other coins too, and Bitcoin was my primary goal to use as means of exchange , yet, I have failed badly.

Those who buy bags of cocoa from my farm are older illiterate people, I wasted my energy,  trying to even tell them the benefits that comes with paying with Bitcoin, they are not even ready to take advantage of my discount, then I stopped.

In 2020, two special buyers are now handled by younger guys, the sons, I thought I will be able to handle them and make Bitcoin payment a possibility,  it still doesn't work, these young lads are just like their old men.

So I give up, I decided to talk about this because I still find it hard to believe that no where in this world of agriculture is accepting Bitcoin as means of payment. 

Is there anyone into agriculture and farming that are accepting Bitcoin?

What advice do you have for me at this point?

Should I just give up for now and wait for the future maybe when Bitcoin gets more popular? Or Bitcoin and farming makes no sense together?
In South America it is very likely that you will find what you are saying, there are many with money who do not mind selling, buying something called money AND BTC, but coming to South America like Ecuador, Colombia, Venezuela,Brazil is something that people in Europe do not know if They can with that change, it is difficult, it is another lifestyle.

Some get sick because they face many things, climate change,the Tropical makes them like it, the water has more minerals,the food is more natural,there are almost no synthetic foods, the lifestyle you lead changes but agriculture would go no problem, accepting btc.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: Sebas.tian on March 13, 2023, 03:42:54 AM
I know how you feel OP, but don't give up because a time will come all your customers will change their minds to purchase goods from you and pay with Bitcoin which is your heart desire in your business. You have not fail yet than to continuing spreading the information across to your customers in the environment that you accept Bitcoin as a payment in your farm crops. I think, you need to explain to the old men and women very well, how important Bitcoin transaction is to humanity and how safe and secure Bitcoin is in the process of translation.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: n0ne on March 13, 2023, 04:00:36 AM
Leave it for the buyers convenience. On the bill provided or through some source publish about your business accepting bitcoin. That is true, even the young generation aren't ready to do business with bitcoin for different reasons. Main thing is the lack of knowledge and not understanding cryptocurrency in the right way.

When you have bitcoin accepted signage, someone will prefer to do business with you. Maybe this doesn't happen in the short term. On the long run new buyers preferring bitcoin payments could contact you. Just think of the buyers, at the beginning they might've preferred only cash for business, slowly they might've moved to card and wallet based transactions. Every form of transition requires time. So, wait for the right moment than giving up with the bitcoin acceptance into business.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: Munir575 on March 13, 2023, 05:13:35 AM
A payment can be made using bitcoin. However in your situation, where not many people are familiar with bitcoin, I advise you to continue sending payments as usual without first introducing bitcoin to anyone. Maybe individuals who are used to using traditional payment methods still find bitcoin challenging. Hence, it appears that they will not be interested at all even if you go into greater depth regarding bitcoin. Although it is a challenge for you, this is not the time or place to explain bitcoin.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: Farma on March 13, 2023, 06:21:34 AM
actually, there's nothing wrong with your way. you don't need to force buyers to pay using bitcoin even though there is a discount if using payment using bitcoin. let your buyers buy with cash, or with fiat. providing a payment alternative should not force them to use it. let your business continue to accept bitcoins. if the person understands and uses bitcoins I'm pretty sure they will buy using bitcoins. however, if not, then they will use cash. well, no harm to that. we don't know when our buyers bring us bitcoins. besides, not everyone understands the use of bitcoins. so, continue your business as usual, and you can also introduce bitcoin to your prospective buyers if they still don't know about it.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: ancafe on March 13, 2023, 06:41:20 AM
Those who buy bags of cocoa from my farm are older illiterate people, I wasted my energy,  trying to even tell them the benefits that comes with paying with Bitcoin, they are not even ready to take advantage of my discount, then I stopped.
Your biggest mistake is trying to use a payment pattern using bitcoin to illiterate people, how is it possible that they will be interested in the concept you are developing, on the other hand they don't know bitcoin. One stupid mistake you make that causes your time to be wasted and you need to think of other ways to generate income from the bitcoins you have.

In 2020, two special buyers are now handled by younger guys, the sons, I thought I will be able to handle them and make Bitcoin payment a possibility,  it still doesn't work, these young lads are just like their old men.
If people are not tech savvy, never offer them bitcoins, because for them using fiat as a transaction is the most appropriate move. Therefore you must do a study before imposing your desire for bitcoin on other people, not everyone thinks the same about using bitcoin in their life.

So I give up, I decided to talk about this because I still find it hard to believe that no where in this world of agriculture is accepting Bitcoin as means of payment. 
We also need to know which country you live in, so there will be a big review of why the bitcoin payment option isn't working for your farming business.

Many countries have not been able to accept bitcoin as a means of payment, because many things have caused it to not work properly, while your desire to accept bitcoin as a means of transaction will face big challenges. The most appropriate step to stop this mess, the concept of using payment using bitcoin will never work in your place, it takes time for them to accept all of that and you can't force it to run fast.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: Kakmakr on March 13, 2023, 06:46:34 AM
I think it has a lot to do with the kind of produce that are being sold. We have young farmers in our area that are selling flowers and they accept Bitcoin, but it has been over a year since I have seen them, so I do not know if they still do.

I would do some research to find out what kind of agricultural products are being imported the most and then focus on the first world countries, where Bitcoin are more popular. (You might find something where people will import directly from you..and where you can offer them Bitcoin payments)  8)


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: Xampeuu on March 13, 2023, 06:55:00 AM
in doing business, of course we have to follow what is in the field in real terms, considering that cryptocurrency has just existed and not many people know about it, and there is no support from the government, then its development will be more hampered, that's what makes us feel understandable, and of course if there isn't who are competent to use crypto payments, we can only provide it as an alternative, and basically still deal with fiat primarily, who knows there are transaction partners who are already using crypto as well


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: Mauser on March 13, 2023, 07:09:13 AM
What advice do you have for me at this point?

Should I just give up for now and wait for the future maybe when Bitcoin gets more popular? Or Bitcoin and farming makes no sense together?

Sorry to hear that you have such troubles to promote bitcoins in your sector. I have no background in agriculture at all, I only know a few farmers from my home town. All of them are now 50+ years old and none of their children are interested in farming. I also wouldn't expected them to move to crypto currencies in their lifetime. From friends family that rents them a lot of farming land I know that most transactions are still being done in cash. It would make sense to switch to a crypto framework, the problem is to establish trust and get the whole industry to switch to bitcoins. But as long as there is a lot of volality in the market its difficult. In case bitcoins would be stable around the 20k USD for a few years it would be easier. I would recommend to you to stay at least partially in the crypto community and not  go fully back to fiat money.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: moneystery on March 13, 2023, 07:14:10 AM
Why are you forcing the older generation to be able to accept and make payments with crypto? that's so ridiculous. You also have to be able to see the situation and conditions in your environment, you can't force someone to make payments with crypto where just being able to use a smartphone is good enough for them, let alone making payments with crypto, it's definitely quite complicated for them. To be honest, even in urban areas nowadays it's quite difficult to be able to implement crypto payments, especially in rural areas like where you are. And for payments, I don't really agree with using Bitcoin, because the value of BTC tends to be unstable and it's much easier to use fiat for offline payments nowadays.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: cafter on March 13, 2023, 07:15:44 AM
I come from a hard-core farming family, and we are all involved in agriculture. I was able to get ( inherit) an acre of land from my parents, and I started my cocoa farming business in 2010. Since then, it has improved greatly, and I have been able to purchase a sizable amount of Bitcoin with the business, even though it is seasonal and can produce both good and bad results.

Although I did everything in my power to increase business adoption of cryptocurrencies, I gave away some Bitcoin and some other coins too, and Bitcoin was my primary goal to use as means of exchange , yet, I have failed badly.

Those who buy bags of cocoa from my farm are older illiterate people, I wasted my energy,  trying to even tell them the benefits that comes with paying with Bitcoin, they are not even ready to take advantage of my discount, then I stopped.

In 2020, two special buyers are now handled by younger guys, the sons, I thought I will be able to handle them and make Bitcoin payment a possibility,  it still doesn't work, these young lads are just like their old men.

So I give up, I decided to talk about this because I still find it hard to believe that no where in this world of agriculture is accepting Bitcoin as means of payment.  

Is there anyone into agriculture and farming that are accepting Bitcoin?

What advice do you have for me at this point?

Should I just give up for now and wait for the future maybe when Bitcoin gets more popular? Or Bitcoin and farming makes no sense together?
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Why are you forcing the older generation to be able to accept and make payments with crypto? that's so ridiculous. You also have to be able to see the situation and conditions in your environment, you can't force someone to make payments with crypto where just being able to use a smartphone is good enough for them, let alone making payments with crypto, it's definitely quite complicated for them. To be honest, even in urban areas nowadays it's quite difficult to be able to implement crypto payments, especially in rural areas like where you are. And for payments, I don't really agree with using Bitcoin, because the value of BTC tends to be unstable and it's much easier to use fiat for offline payments nowadays.

you can sell your cocoa bags to whole sale buyer or like shop owner, there are many shop owner and whole sale businesses to find a educated one, who may listen and find interesting and beneficial to buy from you and make payment in bitcoin,
you already said you have only one acre of land so obviously you does not cultivate in large quantity so your can try my idea, to sell all your cocoa to a whole sale bussinesman ,
but if your customer are regular and you love them(you are running this business for 13 years so you may have a good bonding between customers) than you can try this: after selling to your customer, other left cocoa you can sell in whole sale market, by finding educated one who know about bitcoin.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: crunck on March 13, 2023, 08:00:54 AM
If accepting bitcoins doesn't benefit your business but, on the contrary, it frustrates you, then you should stop accepting bitcoin and wait until bitcoin is more popular. Accepting bitcoins into your business doesn't matter, what matters is your revenue. It's not worth your confusion or sadness because, as we all know, bitcoin is not very popular, nor is it an official currency.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: NeilLostBitCoin on March 13, 2023, 08:09:04 AM
It will be a waste of time if you force someone to use bitcoin. Truthfully, if I am your customer, exchanging my business funds for bitcoin in real-world business will be a hassle unless you have a good offer for them to gain. And the price of bitcoin fluctuates. How can you deal with it if you're the customer? If the value of bitcoin dumps, you can only buy a smaller portion of cocoa. A smaller amount of cocoa makes less profit than usual. As a business man would you take that risk for the sake of using cryptocurrency in your business?


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: Nrcewker on March 13, 2023, 08:33:11 AM
I completely read your story. According to me, many people in the rural area aren’t aware of cryptocurrencies yet. This might be the main reason they don’t know how to use it, and hence they don’t show any interest in buying it, holding it, and at last paying you with it. Moreover, I have also come across many people who treat Bitcoins as an asset and not as a mode of payment, so yes, definitely for this as well, with many people not paying you with Bitcoins. The solution to this is nothing; you cannot do anything or force people. Just wait for someday, and some people will come who will definitely pay with bitcoins.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: TheUltraElite on March 13, 2023, 08:49:33 AM
You should continue promoting Bitcoin like always but your target population needs to change. Daily wage workers don't like complicated payment systems or something that needs them to do something extra which in case is installing a wallet software, setting it up with a seed, keeping the seed secure and converting to fiat needed, instead they would just accept fiat.

Just ask yourself, why would these simple people go through so much trouble when th end result is right in front of them?

That is where you come in. Your job is to make them take th difficult route because of some discount or something extra. This is how you should plan and not just talk but also show how easy it can be, how Bitcoin can be a good investment for future.

Just don't forget that when bitcoin drops, you will have a mob of uneducated sharp axe weilding people at you.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: Ben Barubal on March 13, 2023, 08:58:33 AM
   I think op should only have a proper approach. You're only sharing with the local community, so you don't lose them if they reject what you offer them.

   Then in the end they will also realize that when they hear bitcoin again. As long as you're the important thing, don't change or lose your positive view of bitcoin. Because not everyone is called to believe in bitcoin like you.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: bakasabo on March 13, 2023, 09:46:20 AM
First of all everyone should do the work where they are experts in. A person should not spray himself on different areas with a goal to get success everywhere. A person should focus on where he is expert in. Have primary and additional goals. Second, have you made a proper research of your business. It is nice that you want to implement cryptocurrency in your business, but in the very beginning, have you asked yourself if your business really needs cryptocurrency? Third, you will fail only if you give up. Until your continue to implement Bitcoin and trust in its future, you havent failed.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: DevilSlayer on March 13, 2023, 09:58:35 AM

PERSISTENCE

Persistence is the most important characteristic that we should have, it is considered an essential factor that transmutes our desire into monetary equivalent. This is the quote that is really memorable for me "EVERY ADVERSITY, EVERY FAILURE, AND EVERY HEARTACHE CARRIES WITH IT THE SEED OF AN EQUIVALENT OR A GREATER BENEFIT" Through persistence, we can achieve the desires that we want but if we just surrender or give up to our desire then 100% we will fail.  Without any persistence, we will be defeated even before we start. With persistence, we will surely WIN. I do not have any give-up mentality and I'm really sure that I'm a persistent person and I can overcome any obstacle that I may face. If I give up before my goal, I'll be called a quitter and I do not want to become a quitter. I want to become a WINNER.

When I read the subject, I suddenly remember the thread I created regarding the Philosophy of Success and also the steps required for it. One of the steps is that you should persist, there will be a times in our life that it seems that our plan is not working but what seperate from man to a boy is that a man continue because he has faith in his abilities. With persistence, I am sure that you can able to sell your cocoa and any agriculture product using bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies. Make a definite plan where it is really organized on how you will start it to how it will end. You asking if you should just give up, my advice to you is do not and continue it because I know that you will paid in the future. Remember that once you quit, you will always be a quitter because winners do not ever quit no matter the situations. Learn from your experience, maybe there is wrong in your system and it is the reason why you cannot sell your cocoa in form of cryptocurrencies. Try to learn from other businesses who succesfully sold agricultural products in crypto, study their system and maybe you can get idea from that you can use in your own business. Quitting should not be your option because it can become a habit that it is hard to remove.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: kryptqnick on March 13, 2023, 12:31:17 PM
In some countries and industries, Bitcoin payment might not be a preferable option, and that's okay. Perhaps you could also try something like a 5% discount for Bitcoin payers or a small extra amount of cocoa as a present. If not, you can just accept fiat and then use that money to invest in Bitcoin if you can afford that. You've tried, and that counts for something. I don't think you should feel bad if your customers aren't into using Bitcoin. I don't think it hurts to nominally still accept Bitcoin, and perhaps at some point someone will use this option.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: ringgo96 on March 13, 2023, 12:57:46 PM
if the money from the farm you are currently working on is used to buy bitcoin I don't think it is right, let alone accepting payments using bitcoin in agriculture it will not go well, because many people do not fully understand bitcoin especially a farmer who is still illiterate of course this will be very confusing, if you want to own bitcoin but some of the agricultural products you can use, But not all because investing in Bitcoin is very risky so if you fail then the hard work you put in agriculture will be in vain.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: GeorgeJohn on March 13, 2023, 12:59:08 PM
We can not conclude that no part of the world that accepts bitcoin means of payment from farm harvesting items, I believe that if you are courageous or conscious of managing both of them in one accord you can further ahead for the two business, but it will be very easier and simple for you to perfect one and follow its system, so therefore go for one in particular and ensure its the business you are into until you become strangers before enrolling into  another business, bitcoin is a good investment if you know the foundation and how it operates. Because many people who scandal the name of bitcoin does that because of lost they experience through bitcoin investment.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: KingsDen on March 13, 2023, 01:33:58 PM
In as much as I promote and encourage the promotion of Bitcoin adoption in the whole world and especially in the country of my residence. I do not personally believe that bitcoin will have to interfere in business in order to be promoted.

If trying to force bitcoin on your customers will scare your customers away. Why do it?
If trying to make your customers pay with bitcoin will make you spend more money to cover the transaction fee or give unnecessary discount. Why do it ?

Why trying to give your customers another burden of calculating  how to spend bitcoin apart from balance account?

Please business is business bitcoin is Bitcoin. If your business is not supporting bitcoin leave it and promote Bitcoin in some other ways.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: _BlackStar on March 13, 2023, 03:49:08 PM
In as much as I promote and encourage the promotion of Bitcoin adoption in the whole world and especially in the country of my residence. I do not personally believe that bitcoin will have to interfere in business in order to be promoted.

If trying to force bitcoin on your customers will scare your customers away. Why do it?
If trying to make your customers pay with bitcoin will make you spend more money to cover the transaction fee or give unnecessary discount. Why do it ?

Why trying to give your customers another burden of calculating  how to spend bitcoin apart from balance account?

Please business is business bitcoin is Bitcoin. If your business is not supporting bitcoin leave it and promote Bitcoin in some other ways.
It seems that the OP is indeed forcing his will to adopt bitcoin among farmers who don't understand about bitcoin. So it's only natural that he was constrained and the adoption failed.

In my opinion, rather than immediately adopting it, it is far more important to provide an understanding of what bitcoin is and what are the advantages of adopting it. Adoption issues are never going to work out in a day unless you are somewhere very familiar with bitcoin. Bitcoin is a new type of currency, so it is not easy to get someone who previously only knew fiat to agree directly with bitcoin. However, this requires time and effort, including providing information about bitcoin among people who find it difficult to accept its price volatility.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: Smartvirus on March 13, 2023, 03:58:57 PM
You've tried only a handful of customers and then, you see yourself yo ha e failed. That's not all the options you've got. There is a lot more other customers in your feature and so what you pretty much should do is wait. Wait and in time, when bitcoin becomes more popular and a norm, people would key in as well.
Besides and just as you might have noticed, you don't get to choose which customer gets to pay with Bitcoin or not. Its just an option you make available for them and if they are crypto inclined, they night just get to utilise it for there benefits. It's not about your benefit but there's and there convince too.

Perhaps you could as well buy them bitcoins from the fiat payment your receiving. It provides same result if you would ask me. That would be some means to add to your portfolio and then, your trying to educate your customers on bitcoin adoption would he just that, giving them something to be curious about and consider.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: bosede1 on March 13, 2023, 05:45:18 PM
From your post you said you give up some bitcoin for what, please? Are you sure that the people you are asking to pay even have a bitcoin address for us to start with, if your main purpose for investing in agriculture is for people to buy and pay you in bitcoin you may have to revisit and think if you want to invest in any business or find another way of acquiring bitcoin.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: panganib999 on March 13, 2023, 05:56:33 PM
You know OP, you're stuck in a pretty nasty situation when it comes to teaching these people of Bitcoin and the benefits that it entails. For starters, you can't really expect people who can't even read nor write to know or have a care about anything that involves numbers. To them, money that goes to their hands is more powerful than any thingamajig you offer them, you can't convince them otherwise, plus they are already old so no novel stuff will effectively go across their heads. As for the youngsters, I see that these people are influenced by their elders and parents, or the case could also be that they have priorities set of their own, that are completely off from you teaching them about bitcoin and its wonders.

What I really suggest is that you pool whoever's willing to listen. Hold a poll or something in the town hall, have people list their names if they wanted to attend a seminar that would help them be more aware of bitcoin. I see that as the only way to really get people who will listen.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: TheGreatPython on March 13, 2023, 06:18:29 PM
Should I just give up for now and wait for the future maybe when Bitcoin gets more popular? Or Bitcoin and farming makes no sense together?
If you notice that people around you do not yet know about bitcoins and how it can be used for transactions, you have to first organize maybe a lecture where you can invite your fellow business people in agriculture, your customers and interested people to learn about a new payment method. That sounds more attractive than trying to introduce and convince people at the point at which they are about to pay for goods to consider a new transaction method, they will not want to listen at that point because they are interested in completing their transaction with you and leaving with their goods.
I like the first suggestion that you throw there and that is better to do than if he will wait for the Bitcoin to become popular on their place as that could take time. Your second suggestion might still work because there are still people who are interested on trying a new thing and I think not all of those people are always in a hurry.

I already heard successful stories about it and there are instances where the shop or establishment isn't accepting a crypto payment but upon the time the customer pays, they introduce Bitcoin to the owner and convince them that they are going to pay using this than the usual payment method that they are accepting.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: BitcoinPanther on March 13, 2023, 06:45:36 PM
You know OP, you're stuck in a pretty nasty situation when it comes to teaching these people of Bitcoin and the benefits that it entails. For starters, you can't really expect people who can't even read nor write to know or have a care about anything that involves numbers. To them, money that goes to their hands is more powerful than any thingamajig you offer them, you can't convince them otherwise, plus they are already old so no novel stuff will effectively go across their heads. As for the youngsters, I see that these people are influenced by their elders and parents, or the case could also be that they have priorities set of their own, that are completely off from you teaching them about bitcoin and its wonders.

Why are you jumping into a conclusion that the people @OP dealing are illiterate?  Not because they don't want to use Bitcoin as payment, they don't know how to read or write at all.  I believe @OP's method is wrong in convincing his buyer to use BTC.  Or it is also possible that these people are so comfortable in using fiat money that they ignore any other options.  Bottom line,  @OP need to think of an effective approach to encourage his client to use BTC.

What I really suggest is that you pool whoever's willing to listen. Hold a poll or something in the town hall, have people list their names if they wanted to attend a seminar that would help them be more aware of bitcoin. I see that as the only way to really get people who will listen.

That's a lot of work while @OP can go on with his business without these people paying in Bitcoins. But if OP really want to advertise Bitcoin and make people pay with it, I would go with price adjustment when paying in Bitcoin just like one of the earlier reply suggested.  I think  that is enough to catch the interest of @OP's client.

In my opinion, rather than immediately adopting it, it is far more important to provide an understanding of what bitcoin is and what are the advantages of adopting it. Adoption issues are never going to work out in a day unless you are somewhere very familiar with bitcoin. Bitcoin is a new type of currency, so it is not easy to get someone who previously only knew fiat to agree directly with bitcoin. However, this requires time and effort, including providing information about bitcoin among people who find it difficult to accept its price volatility.

I think this won't work.  Most farmer wanted an instant result or benefit, and @OP must make a situation where his client have to pay in Bitcoin one of which is giving them advantage/privilege if they pay in Bitcoin.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: tjtonmoy on March 13, 2023, 06:48:56 PM
It is always hard to make people join in paying with crypto. While the business is done by hand-to-hand deals, people show less interest in making payment in Bitcoin. As the amount could be somewhat difficult to calculate and as they are not, that much educated, they might think that you are trying to scam them by taking more money than usual. Even with a juicy discount, people will most likely avoid doing digital transactions.
That's what I have learned from my experience.
But you shouldn't give up on doing this. It is an amazing experience, no doubt. But where crypto payment shine the most is doing business online in wide area or overseas. As we don't have to provide our personal info while doing any transactions. So have faith and try to expand your business. I am sure that will make things much easier.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: Agbe on March 13, 2023, 06:53:31 PM
Mr. Op must you sell your cocoa with bitcoin even your thinking is contradicting itself, why can't you sell it with the fiat currency then use it to but the bitcoin you are desired for. Bitcoin is not yet popular for everyone to use. So expecting people to use bitcoin as you are is a waste of time. Don't blame those your customers but. Blame the environment they found themselves. Cryptocurrency is not yet accepted world wide. And in the field of agriculture, even in the Fiat currency, most sellers and buyers are not taking or accepting transfer.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: danadc on March 13, 2023, 07:04:02 PM
You know OP, you're stuck in a pretty nasty situation when it comes to teaching these people of Bitcoin and the benefits that it entails. For starters, you can't really expect people who can't even read nor write to know or have a care about anything that involves numbers. To them, money that goes to their hands is more powerful than any thingamajig you offer them, you can't convince them otherwise, plus they are already old so no novel stuff will effectively go across their heads. As for the youngsters, I see that these people are influenced by their elders and parents, or the case could also be that they have priorities set of their own, that are completely off from you teaching them about bitcoin and its wonders.

What I really suggest is that you pool whoever's willing to listen. Hold a poll or something in the town hall, have people list their names if they wanted to attend a seminar that would help them be more aware of bitcoin. I see that as the only way to really get people who will listen.
Teaching BTC is not easy when there is a society that blindly believes in what has always worked for them,but in these times of World crisis it is when people look for other alternatives,for that reason we must strengthen ourselves more in running the voice of BITCOIN,because there are many who are locked in a glass of water and do not see further, it is those people who must begin to show them the benefits of  bitcoin,otherwise it is impossible for them to wake up from the nightmare we call economy.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: milewilda on March 13, 2023, 07:06:27 PM

What advice do you have for me at this point?

Should I just give up for now and wait for the future maybe when Bitcoin gets more popular? Or Bitcoin and farming makes no sense together?
If you are really that serious on spreading out Bitcoins existence awareness then you should continue on what you are doing.Just still make some acceptance in about having crypto payments on your business.
Doesnt matter on how many people would really be your client whether they do know Bitcoin or not, there would really comes a time on where there are ones who are fully knowledgeable on what it is
and would make use of that payment method if ever they do know or aware that you are accepting those kind of payment which it would really be that something  you do really likes to see.
There's no sense on giving up because we know that we are still considered early since adoption isnt really still that widespread.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: Silberman on March 13, 2023, 07:24:06 PM
I come from a hard-core farming family, and we are all involved in agriculture. I was able to get ( inherit) an acre of land from my parents, and I started my cocoa farming business in 2010. Since then, it has improved greatly, and I have been able to purchase a sizable amount of Bitcoin with the business, even though it is seasonal and can produce both good and bad results.

Although I did everything in my power to increase business adoption of cryptocurrencies, I gave away some Bitcoin and some other coins too, and Bitcoin was my primary goal to use as means of exchange , yet, I have failed badly.

Those who buy bags of cocoa from my farm are older illiterate people, I wasted my energy,  trying to even tell them the benefits that comes with paying with Bitcoin, they are not even ready to take advantage of my discount, then I stopped.

In 2020, two special buyers are now handled by younger guys, the sons, I thought I will be able to handle them and make Bitcoin payment a possibility,  it still doesn't work, these young lads are just like their old men.

So I give up, I decided to talk about this because I still find it hard to believe that no where in this world of agriculture is accepting Bitcoin as means of payment. 

Is there anyone into agriculture and farming that are accepting Bitcoin?

What advice do you have for me at this point?

Should I just give up for now and wait for the future maybe when Bitcoin gets more popular? Or Bitcoin and farming makes no sense together?
What you have encountered is a wall that every single one of us which tried to promote bitcoin among our friends or loved ones have slammed into, and while your intentions are noble and you are trying to help those people by allowing them to adopt bitcoin earlier than what they would do on their own, they never asked for your advice, so most likely not only they did not listened to a word you said, but maybe they were even resentful about it, so I think it is about time you called quits and give up on your attempts to help them.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: serjent05 on March 13, 2023, 08:31:03 PM
@OP don't give up on your plan of making your client pay in Bitcoin, you just need to make a different approach.  It is not easy to make old people to adopt new technology but if they found it beneficial for them, they will use it and even study how to use.  So @OP you need to find a strategy that will answer the questions "what is it for me if I pay in Bitcoin", and  "Why should I pay Bitcoin instead of my available fiat money?" 

If you did find the strategy then you will see that they will voluntarily inquire about how to pay you in Bitcoin.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: taufik123 on March 13, 2023, 10:03:48 PM
@OP don't give up on your plan of making your client pay in Bitcoin, you just need to make a different approach.  It is not easy to make old people to adopt new technology but if they found it beneficial for them, they will use it and even study how to use.  So @OP you need to find a strategy that will answer the questions "what is it for me if I pay in Bitcoin", and  "Why should I pay Bitcoin instead of my available fiat money?" 

If you did find the strategy then you will see that they will voluntarily inquire about how to pay you in Bitcoin.
and at the core of the course must provide education first. The strategy of how parents can accept bitcoin because Bitcoin is profitable must also explain to them what the advantages and disadvantages are. Don't let the initial strategy only explain the benefits, but they ignore the risks that will actually be dangerous for them later.

Real small adoption like this will be a difficult challenge. Besides having to think about what the right strategy is so that clients believe in using bitcoin, we also have to think about the regulations given by the government. Do not make illegal transactions if Bitcoin regulations are not fully supported by the government.

As modern farmers, we are forced to be more creative and use every opportunity to apply the latest technology such as bitcoin payments.
Apart from being a payment, it is also an investment that can provide a large return value in the long term.


Title: Re: I have failed too severely, time to give up?
Post by: Desmong on March 13, 2023, 11:04:52 PM
Life may not give us what we want now but that do not mean that we need to relax and complain about life being unfair to us. There are people that had passed through what we are passing through now and they don't complain about thee problem. We need to take responsibility for our actions and we don't need the news to help us clear our shits.