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March 13, 2023, 12:31:17 PM
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In some countries and industries, Bitcoin payment might not be a preferable option, and that's okay. Perhaps you could also try something like a 5% discount for Bitcoin payers or a small extra amount of cocoa as a present. If not, you can just accept fiat and then use that money to invest in Bitcoin if you can afford that. You've tried, and that counts for something. I don't think you should feel bad if your customers aren't into using Bitcoin. I don't think it hurts to nominally still accept Bitcoin, and perhaps at some point someone will use this option.

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March 13, 2023, 12:57:46 PM
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if the money from the farm you are currently working on is used to buy bitcoin I don't think it is right, let alone accepting payments using bitcoin in agriculture it will not go well, because many people do not fully understand bitcoin especially a farmer who is still illiterate of course this will be very confusing, if you want to own bitcoin but some of the agricultural products you can use, But not all because investing in Bitcoin is very risky so if you fail then the hard work you put in agriculture will be in vain.

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March 13, 2023, 12:59:08 PM
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We can not conclude that no part of the world that accepts bitcoin means of payment from farm harvesting items, I believe that if you are courageous or conscious of managing both of them in one accord you can further ahead for the two business, but it will be very easier and simple for you to perfect one and follow its system, so therefore go for one in particular and ensure its the business you are into until you become strangers before enrolling into  another business, bitcoin is a good investment if you know the foundation and how it operates. Because many people who scandal the name of bitcoin does that because of lost they experience through bitcoin investment.

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March 13, 2023, 01:33:58 PM
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In as much as I promote and encourage the promotion of Bitcoin adoption in the whole world and especially in the country of my residence. I do not personally believe that bitcoin will have to interfere in business in order to be promoted.

If trying to force bitcoin on your customers will scare your customers away. Why do it?
If trying to make your customers pay with bitcoin will make you spend more money to cover the transaction fee or give unnecessary discount. Why do it ?

Why trying to give your customers another burden of calculating  how to spend bitcoin apart from balance account?

Please business is business bitcoin is Bitcoin. If your business is not supporting bitcoin leave it and promote Bitcoin in some other ways.

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March 13, 2023, 03:49:08 PM
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In as much as I promote and encourage the promotion of Bitcoin adoption in the whole world and especially in the country of my residence. I do not personally believe that bitcoin will have to interfere in business in order to be promoted.

If trying to force bitcoin on your customers will scare your customers away. Why do it?
If trying to make your customers pay with bitcoin will make you spend more money to cover the transaction fee or give unnecessary discount. Why do it ?

Why trying to give your customers another burden of calculating  how to spend bitcoin apart from balance account?

Please business is business bitcoin is Bitcoin. If your business is not supporting bitcoin leave it and promote Bitcoin in some other ways.
It seems that the OP is indeed forcing his will to adopt bitcoin among farmers who don't understand about bitcoin. So it's only natural that he was constrained and the adoption failed.

In my opinion, rather than immediately adopting it, it is far more important to provide an understanding of what bitcoin is and what are the advantages of adopting it. Adoption issues are never going to work out in a day unless you are somewhere very familiar with bitcoin. Bitcoin is a new type of currency, so it is not easy to get someone who previously only knew fiat to agree directly with bitcoin. However, this requires time and effort, including providing information about bitcoin among people who find it difficult to accept its price volatility.

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March 13, 2023, 03:58:57 PM
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You've tried only a handful of customers and then, you see yourself yo ha e failed. That's not all the options you've got. There is a lot more other customers in your feature and so what you pretty much should do is wait. Wait and in time, when bitcoin becomes more popular and a norm, people would key in as well.
Besides and just as you might have noticed, you don't get to choose which customer gets to pay with Bitcoin or not. Its just an option you make available for them and if they are crypto inclined, they night just get to utilise it for there benefits. It's not about your benefit but there's and there convince too.

Perhaps you could as well buy them bitcoins from the fiat payment your receiving. It provides same result if you would ask me. That would be some means to add to your portfolio and then, your trying to educate your customers on bitcoin adoption would he just that, giving them something to be curious about and consider.

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March 13, 2023, 05:45:18 PM
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From your post you said you give up some bitcoin for what, please? Are you sure that the people you are asking to pay even have a bitcoin address for us to start with, if your main purpose for investing in agriculture is for people to buy and pay you in bitcoin you may have to revisit and think if you want to invest in any business or find another way of acquiring bitcoin.

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You know OP, you're stuck in a pretty nasty situation when it comes to teaching these people of Bitcoin and the benefits that it entails. For starters, you can't really expect people who can't even read nor write to know or have a care about anything that involves numbers. To them, money that goes to their hands is more powerful than any thingamajig you offer them, you can't convince them otherwise, plus they are already old so no novel stuff will effectively go across their heads. As for the youngsters, I see that these people are influenced by their elders and parents, or the case could also be that they have priorities set of their own, that are completely off from you teaching them about bitcoin and its wonders.

What I really suggest is that you pool whoever's willing to listen. Hold a poll or something in the town hall, have people list their names if they wanted to attend a seminar that would help them be more aware of bitcoin. I see that as the only way to really get people who will listen.
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March 13, 2023, 06:18:29 PM
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Should I just give up for now and wait for the future maybe when Bitcoin gets more popular? Or Bitcoin and farming makes no sense together?
If you notice that people around you do not yet know about bitcoins and how it can be used for transactions, you have to first organize maybe a lecture where you can invite your fellow business people in agriculture, your customers and interested people to learn about a new payment method. That sounds more attractive than trying to introduce and convince people at the point at which they are about to pay for goods to consider a new transaction method, they will not want to listen at that point because they are interested in completing their transaction with you and leaving with their goods.
I like the first suggestion that you throw there and that is better to do than if he will wait for the Bitcoin to become popular on their place as that could take time. Your second suggestion might still work because there are still people who are interested on trying a new thing and I think not all of those people are always in a hurry.

I already heard successful stories about it and there are instances where the shop or establishment isn't accepting a crypto payment but upon the time the customer pays, they introduce Bitcoin to the owner and convince them that they are going to pay using this than the usual payment method that they are accepting.

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March 13, 2023, 06:45:36 PM
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You know OP, you're stuck in a pretty nasty situation when it comes to teaching these people of Bitcoin and the benefits that it entails. For starters, you can't really expect people who can't even read nor write to know or have a care about anything that involves numbers. To them, money that goes to their hands is more powerful than any thingamajig you offer them, you can't convince them otherwise, plus they are already old so no novel stuff will effectively go across their heads. As for the youngsters, I see that these people are influenced by their elders and parents, or the case could also be that they have priorities set of their own, that are completely off from you teaching them about bitcoin and its wonders.

Why are you jumping into a conclusion that the people @OP dealing are illiterate?  Not because they don't want to use Bitcoin as payment, they don't know how to read or write at all.  I believe @OP's method is wrong in convincing his buyer to use BTC.  Or it is also possible that these people are so comfortable in using fiat money that they ignore any other options.  Bottom line,  @OP need to think of an effective approach to encourage his client to use BTC.

What I really suggest is that you pool whoever's willing to listen. Hold a poll or something in the town hall, have people list their names if they wanted to attend a seminar that would help them be more aware of bitcoin. I see that as the only way to really get people who will listen.

That's a lot of work while @OP can go on with his business without these people paying in Bitcoins. But if OP really want to advertise Bitcoin and make people pay with it, I would go with price adjustment when paying in Bitcoin just like one of the earlier reply suggested.  I think  that is enough to catch the interest of @OP's client.

In my opinion, rather than immediately adopting it, it is far more important to provide an understanding of what bitcoin is and what are the advantages of adopting it. Adoption issues are never going to work out in a day unless you are somewhere very familiar with bitcoin. Bitcoin is a new type of currency, so it is not easy to get someone who previously only knew fiat to agree directly with bitcoin. However, this requires time and effort, including providing information about bitcoin among people who find it difficult to accept its price volatility.

I think this won't work.  Most farmer wanted an instant result or benefit, and @OP must make a situation where his client have to pay in Bitcoin one of which is giving them advantage/privilege if they pay in Bitcoin.
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March 13, 2023, 06:48:56 PM
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It is always hard to make people join in paying with crypto. While the business is done by hand-to-hand deals, people show less interest in making payment in Bitcoin. As the amount could be somewhat difficult to calculate and as they are not, that much educated, they might think that you are trying to scam them by taking more money than usual. Even with a juicy discount, people will most likely avoid doing digital transactions.
That's what I have learned from my experience.
But you shouldn't give up on doing this. It is an amazing experience, no doubt. But where crypto payment shine the most is doing business online in wide area or overseas. As we don't have to provide our personal info while doing any transactions. So have faith and try to expand your business. I am sure that will make things much easier.
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March 13, 2023, 06:53:31 PM
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Mr. Op must you sell your cocoa with bitcoin even your thinking is contradicting itself, why can't you sell it with the fiat currency then use it to but the bitcoin you are desired for. Bitcoin is not yet popular for everyone to use. So expecting people to use bitcoin as you are is a waste of time. Don't blame those your customers but. Blame the environment they found themselves. Cryptocurrency is not yet accepted world wide. And in the field of agriculture, even in the Fiat currency, most sellers and buyers are not taking or accepting transfer.
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You know OP, you're stuck in a pretty nasty situation when it comes to teaching these people of Bitcoin and the benefits that it entails. For starters, you can't really expect people who can't even read nor write to know or have a care about anything that involves numbers. To them, money that goes to their hands is more powerful than any thingamajig you offer them, you can't convince them otherwise, plus they are already old so no novel stuff will effectively go across their heads. As for the youngsters, I see that these people are influenced by their elders and parents, or the case could also be that they have priorities set of their own, that are completely off from you teaching them about bitcoin and its wonders.

What I really suggest is that you pool whoever's willing to listen. Hold a poll or something in the town hall, have people list their names if they wanted to attend a seminar that would help them be more aware of bitcoin. I see that as the only way to really get people who will listen.
Teaching BTC is not easy when there is a society that blindly believes in what has always worked for them,but in these times of World crisis it is when people look for other alternatives,for that reason we must strengthen ourselves more in running the voice of BITCOIN,because there are many who are locked in a glass of water and do not see further, it is those people who must begin to show them the benefits of  bitcoin,otherwise it is impossible for them to wake up from the nightmare we call economy.

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March 13, 2023, 07:06:27 PM
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What advice do you have for me at this point?

Should I just give up for now and wait for the future maybe when Bitcoin gets more popular? Or Bitcoin and farming makes no sense together?
If you are really that serious on spreading out Bitcoins existence awareness then you should continue on what you are doing.Just still make some acceptance in about having crypto payments on your business.
Doesnt matter on how many people would really be your client whether they do know Bitcoin or not, there would really comes a time on where there are ones who are fully knowledgeable on what it is
and would make use of that payment method if ever they do know or aware that you are accepting those kind of payment which it would really be that something  you do really likes to see.
There's no sense on giving up because we know that we are still considered early since adoption isnt really still that widespread.

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I come from a hard-core farming family, and we are all involved in agriculture. I was able to get ( inherit) an acre of land from my parents, and I started my cocoa farming business in 2010. Since then, it has improved greatly, and I have been able to purchase a sizable amount of Bitcoin with the business, even though it is seasonal and can produce both good and bad results.

Although I did everything in my power to increase business adoption of cryptocurrencies, I gave away some Bitcoin and some other coins too, and Bitcoin was my primary goal to use as means of exchange , yet, I have failed badly.

Those who buy bags of cocoa from my farm are older illiterate people, I wasted my energy,  trying to even tell them the benefits that comes with paying with Bitcoin, they are not even ready to take advantage of my discount, then I stopped.

In 2020, two special buyers are now handled by younger guys, the sons, I thought I will be able to handle them and make Bitcoin payment a possibility,  it still doesn't work, these young lads are just like their old men.

So I give up, I decided to talk about this because I still find it hard to believe that no where in this world of agriculture is accepting Bitcoin as means of payment. 

Is there anyone into agriculture and farming that are accepting Bitcoin?

What advice do you have for me at this point?

Should I just give up for now and wait for the future maybe when Bitcoin gets more popular? Or Bitcoin and farming makes no sense together?
What you have encountered is a wall that every single one of us which tried to promote bitcoin among our friends or loved ones have slammed into, and while your intentions are noble and you are trying to help those people by allowing them to adopt bitcoin earlier than what they would do on their own, they never asked for your advice, so most likely not only they did not listened to a word you said, but maybe they were even resentful about it, so I think it is about time you called quits and give up on your attempts to help them.
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March 13, 2023, 08:31:03 PM
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@OP don't give up on your plan of making your client pay in Bitcoin, you just need to make a different approach.  It is not easy to make old people to adopt new technology but if they found it beneficial for them, they will use it and even study how to use.  So @OP you need to find a strategy that will answer the questions "what is it for me if I pay in Bitcoin", and  "Why should I pay Bitcoin instead of my available fiat money?" 

If you did find the strategy then you will see that they will voluntarily inquire about how to pay you in Bitcoin.

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March 13, 2023, 10:03:48 PM
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@OP don't give up on your plan of making your client pay in Bitcoin, you just need to make a different approach.  It is not easy to make old people to adopt new technology but if they found it beneficial for them, they will use it and even study how to use.  So @OP you need to find a strategy that will answer the questions "what is it for me if I pay in Bitcoin", and  "Why should I pay Bitcoin instead of my available fiat money?" 

If you did find the strategy then you will see that they will voluntarily inquire about how to pay you in Bitcoin.
and at the core of the course must provide education first. The strategy of how parents can accept bitcoin because Bitcoin is profitable must also explain to them what the advantages and disadvantages are. Don't let the initial strategy only explain the benefits, but they ignore the risks that will actually be dangerous for them later.

Real small adoption like this will be a difficult challenge. Besides having to think about what the right strategy is so that clients believe in using bitcoin, we also have to think about the regulations given by the government. Do not make illegal transactions if Bitcoin regulations are not fully supported by the government.

As modern farmers, we are forced to be more creative and use every opportunity to apply the latest technology such as bitcoin payments.
Apart from being a payment, it is also an investment that can provide a large return value in the long term.
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March 13, 2023, 11:04:52 PM
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Life may not give us what we want now but that do not mean that we need to relax and complain about life being unfair to us. There are people that had passed through what we are passing through now and they don't complain about thee problem. We need to take responsibility for our actions and we don't need the news to help us clear our shits.

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