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Edit: CLOSED  Watch the thread for finaly payout info


Edit: 102% now, we will pay for rejects soon. Will move to a new better sever soon. Thanks

Edit: Warning there will soon be significant downsides to Hopping our hopping proxy. If you are hopping expect to not be paid earnings.

Edit :This is why our data center is being attacked    http://money.cnn.com/2012/03/26/technology/microsoft-raid/

Seems the data center was hosting the C&C and they are attacking it out of revenge.

This means that for right now we are not going to be as stable as we were until they stop.

Also we are down 95 BTC since starting this (coin paid out to miners, not including other costs). We have had some issues and we had thought some of the money would be made back with GPUMAX. But as you all know that is not working right now. It also seems we are being hoped and that is killing us. Until we can fix some of this stuff we are going to have to cut the payment down to 105%

My goal was to give you guys most of the profit but we can't keep up daily losses. Once we break even we will make the percent higher. I understand some or most of you might leave and that is fine. You will be welcomed back once we get it 100%.

Thanks.




We need to adjust to 105% until we can at least fix things until we are breaking even. Give us a day or so, very sorry, we will fix prices soon!


TESTING @ 105% PPS

Ready for the first testers of the newest version. Might be a bit rough.

If you want to be a first tester go to #tygrr on freenode a.s.a.p. Thanks.

also http://project2.tygrr.com/?register to sign up!


Edit: We are not fully ready to go so we need to cut this down to 116% until we can make some money. Losing $200 worth of bitcoin a day at this rate :/

Also stales are very very low!.

why not a public test? i have 700 Mh/s :(

What are we considering big I mine at 2500mhs and by the end of the week I should mine at 5200 MHz

I have up to 32 GH/s I could point your way if you convince me.

3.6 GH/s here - lemme know

Tesla?

One M2090 (GTX580 based Tesla) would barely be able to break 150Mhash.  It would also draw around 250 watts while doing so.  They're horrible mining cards.

During each LP - it seems to be sent 2x


Though this time further apart...


3x this time...

I have 7.5 Ghash, convince away....

out of curiosity, what is your project and why are you giving away free money?

Sending you ~1GH/s

I'm running the current cgminer and it keeps switch to my failover pools. You are pool 3.


EDIT: It looks like it has stabilized now.  Everything is going to your pool.

How is the testing going? Need any more hash power?

What is this, some kind of fraternity? Why would you want my hazing powers?

https://i.imgur.com/g8eQD.png
just under 1% stale

yea, it's acceptable.
Get your front end up to automate tracking shares and paying out and I will point some hash your way.

cheers

Full precision payouts?

Lots of disconnects and idle time just now...


Time is UTC -6

it's up now

Who is 'We'?

my last payment was only to 2 decimal places.

@Grue Stable today?

I jumped back to ABCpool before heading to work

I may have been to short... when are the full precision payouts coming? There is no reason to hold that coin.

https://i.imgur.com/bZl3M.png
so far so good

I was expecting full precision payouts as well, but rounding up with 110-105% sounds good to me :)

Sure, as long as you get 110% payouts, 1% stales is acceptable :). But its definitely not good. Im getting ~0.1% stales on bitminter.

Interested, I sent you a pm.

Will there be merged mining?

I'm working on a personal project using namecoin and actually want to use them unlike most people who are just mining to have more things to sell.

PM'd

Im not tryin to be a jerk, but last payment was 2 days ago... whats up with that?

Got it, thank you Goat!

Goat....

Added back one miner (about 12H ago) so I can get paid   ;)

Payment received - thanks!

Please advise when front end is up.

i didnt get my payment. I did 24 hours.

As soon as MM and the front end is implemented, I would be interested with about 3.5 ghash/s.

I tried merged mining namecoins, and my bitcoin performance dropped 10%. I wouldn't mind if namecoin price would make up for the difference, but namecoins is just 0.008 to 0.009 BTC.  It just didn't make sense for me.

Im just starting out, able to offer ~400 Mh/s at this time if acceptable.

cheers

I don't have any hashing power I want to sell ATM, but I'll keep this in mind. Might also want to *buy* hashing power.

Yeah So I got paid finally. And even though I am happy that my hashes were not sent to waste. I would totally discourage anyone from this so called project !! The person in charge is very rude !

Below are Personal Message recieved from GOAT. After asking why my payment has not showed up

Msg1

"When I tried to pay you, you were not mining. I went to try to pay you now and guess what? You are not mining!
You will get paid but if you would read the thread you would know my hands are tied."

Msg2

"You failed to read my thread... Once I pay you your name and IP will be banned from all further transactions."

Msg3

"you have been paid, stop mining and never come back"

Now noting that I did read the thread and i did turn back on a miner after his first response. But I did not know I had to be running indefinately or at least had to be running the miner at the given time when he felt like looking to make a payment. All in all its not worth all the trouble!!and he only sends payments to 2 digits. Where is the rest of my coin ????

Not saying its a scam but! It might as well be cause the service SUCKS !!!!

and I want my payment for the extra 161 hashes i submitted this morning just to get my previous money i dont care how small the amount is gimme my coin !!!and all of it. I dont want to have anything to do with u or your project !!!

MINERS BEWARE !!

There are two sides to every story....

I have talked to goat myself recently and I find him to be a nice and polite person. I would like to see what your answers were in this story not only what goat told you. As for the 2 digits goat has previously stated that he's doing everything manually so give him a break sending off manual payouts is hard enough without having to do it down to 8 decimal points.

// DeaDTerra

  he rounds up.

 Since that also may not have been clear like the 'need to be mining to see your shares' statement was or wasn't.  It made sense to me but I can see where he could have a bit more patience with what you posted anyhows.

I haven't gotten paid in a while...

Any ETA on the frontend

EDIT: So somehow the email you sent me got sent to my spam folder.  I logged into the site and everything is 0s.  You made my account as "redemerald1" but my miner has been working on "redemerald."  I really hope that all my earned shares are not lost.  Any reason for the different username?

I'll be mining on another pool until you let me know whats up.

I had the same problem.

I had to rename the miner worker name to the new name, then values start to show in the UI.

Goat then paid me for the original worker shares manually.

I wouldn't be worried about losing the bitcoin, but PM him to make sure you get paid.

This felt good to see

I've got my miner back online and pointing at you.

What is the url for tge frontend?

Did you overlook my PM? I sent one a few days back requesting a login...

cheers

sure enough, the one form Tygrr went to spam. It of course had the useful info in it. The generic one that just said the thing was up went to the inbox. ;p

Edit; Ok, got front end info ok. user/pass work fine. What is the pool info? I tried using the site there with your custom port and 8332. Nither connect.

Goattttt, you out on lunch break?  :o

thanks, happily mining away now.

PM sent, let's try this. I'd be glad if it managed to make deepbit a bit below 50%.

just woundering if the front end is up yet and if it is can i sse it lol.wanna make sure my pass and stuff work

Yeah there is one. It's pretty minimalistic, but there's shares, rejected shares, account balance, a button to request payment and a form to change your password.

Maybe it is just because I am paying attention to my miner today, but there seem to be all sorts of stability issues.  Cgminer keeps having communication issues.  Is anybody else noticing this? 

Indeed, I have like 2% reject and my node keeps falling back to Deepbit quite regularly (in my Deepbit stats I've got shares in like half the blocks). Looks like there's been a downtime a couple hours ago, too. But, well, as long as you've got a backup pool, 2% of rejected shares isn't too much of an issue since we get 110% of what's left.

Same here. Backup pool is essential, although this pool's uptime is good, not quite 100% yet. 
Rejected Shares (http://postimage.org/image/615ljqavh/)
Summary (http://postimage.org/image/i4ax7alxp/)

they still screwing with you? Am seeing a few more stales than usual.

cheers

The front end is working great.  It provides all of the important information.

My only other feature request would be an automatic (or daily) payout.  I don't know what your backend looks like.  It could either be easy, or hard.

Things seem to be running smoothly so far.

Dan

I am also curious why the payouts seem to take so long (1 hour +).  Are they being done by hand?  Not a problem, just curious. 

I think a few days ago they were. At least this way we're not at risk of someone hacking our earnings ;)

I think they are still manual (I requested one 30 minutes ago).  I don't even see a way to change the sending address.  Sounds like a difficult hack :) 

is the front end site down, when i goto to this url http://goat1.zapto.org:8700/bcoin/index.php   i get this Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage

Works for me ATM.

I tried to access from a work pc, and i guess it being block by websense, i able able to access from my android phone.

Work networks tend to block funky ports. Try setting up some SSH tunnel over port 443 (but don't blame me if your IT police comes to spank you ;D).

Nah, not really for me.

Nope.  I was just curious.  It *appears* automatic :) 

Seem to have a front end now but payments are still by hand?

What are you paying - still 105%?

Wil likely point my 3.6 GH/s back to you for a while

What we earn at 110% will stay the same though, right? I'm assuming nothing will be lost if I don't payout before the rate changes.

aye, I've got faith in Goat that what is listed as 'earned' on your account will retain its number.

Goat man, what gives with the stale rate? Ever sence the small spike from the other day when there was some reported large number of connections it has been over 1% for me. It was stable at .1% or less for 4 days straight before that. Has been at ~1.6% at best since then.  Are there just that many people mining here now? :/

cheers

Awesome. Let me know if I should reset my stales locally to check. Current # is about 24h worth of shares.

Just fired a miner back up to test the connection and seeing consistent issues.  Can't go more than a minute without "Connection problems" in Guiminer...

Loaded up 4 more miners and same issue - keep getting disconnected.

75 shares lost  ;D

OK so how much are you going to pay per share from now on ?

50/1250758 = 0.0000399757587

so +5% is = 0.0000419745466

Is that correct ?

Is MM enabled with NMC ? How about TX fees are those shared out ( probably not ) ?

How can I join. I expect to have about 3.5 ghash/s soon.

How does your offer in terms of PPS compare with something like P2Pool ?

Is there a front end where I can check shares submitted etc. ?

Thanks !

I am showing negative shares.  I appear to be digging myself out of that hole, but I wonder how deep that hole was? 

Thoughts? 

https://i.imgur.com/CIoMP.png

FWIW, I did not see any data that showed me being paid for invalid shares.

Aah, interesting.  No worries.  Just wanted to make sure it wasn't a bug. 

OK, I rechecked my logs, and I can confirm this error.  The "shares unpaid" included the rejected shares for that period. I didn't notice because the payouts were what I would have expected at ABC +10%,  but ABC includes stales which are usually under 0.5%.

Going forward, the problem is fixed, right?

ok

I'm at 0% so far out of 750~ shares across 3 miners.

Is it possible to put the PPS price along with the current diffficulty on the home page?

I have received and account and password from Goat,

but have no idea where to point my miners.. please help ?

regards

you point them to http://goat1.zapto.org:8337 :)

Thank you

I'm still getting around 1-3% stale shares today here across my 96 GPU's. Yesterday was 4% and above.

Is there an estimate on how long it takes for earned shares to go to pending and/or paid out?

Oh I suppose I was thinking of it more as sort of an unconfirmed balance and didn't even think just to push the pay out button..

Crazy me. Thanks!

Would you please respond to my PM  :) ?

Thanks!

please PM me with the address for the frontend, so i can see results ?

thank you

Reject rate over 5% in first 45 minutes -- not looking good...  :'(

That's weird, I don't have that many rejects, I must be around 1-2%... But I do have regular micro-downtimes where my miner falls back to secondary pool.

Where is your server located Goat? Maybe, it would be the best to me.

Most ppl in here are from US correct?
 

Just FYI - having connection issues this morning.  Phoenix won't stay connected and continues to move to backup pool...

Connecting from Europe, no particular issue this morning. But still, for almost each other block I send a few shares to my backup pool...

ditto

HI Goat,

I am havin issues from Europe. I got a lot of error message from Phoenix. My workers have a lot of idle time...

[25/01/2012 12:24:10] Result: 2f8acddb accepted
[25/01/2012 12:24:10] Result: 6da9ddcb accepted
[25/01/2012 12:24:11] Warning: work queue empty, miner is idle
[25/01/2012 12:24:11] Connected to server
[25/01/2012 12:24:34] Warning: work queue empty, miner is idle
[25/01/2012 12:34:47] LP: New work pushed
[25/01/2012 12:34:58] Warning: work queue empty, miner is idle
[25/01/2012 12:35:03] LP: New work pushed
[25/01/2012 12:35:08] Result: e376bcae rejected
[25/01/2012 12:35:14] Warning: work queue empty, miner is idle
[25/01/2012 12:36:41] Result: 33aa43e7 rejected
[25/01/2012 12:36:44] Result: 610df888 accepted
[25/01/2012 12:36:56] Disconnected from server
[25/01/2012 12:36:58] Result: 60f96420 accepted
[25/01/2012 12:36:59] Result: 26205b90 accepted
[25/01/2012 12:37:03] Warning: work queue empty, miner is idle
[25/01/2012 12:37:03] Connected to server
[25/01/2012 12:37:29] Result: e82e5d4e accepted
[25/01/2012 12:37:30] Result: 77463e49 accepted
[25/01/2012 12:38:05] Disconnected from server
[25/01/2012 12:38:06] Result: a591a933 accepted
[25/01/2012 12:38:11] Warning: work queue empty, miner is idle
[25/01/2012 12:38:11] Connected to server
[25/01/2012 12:38:39] Disconnected from server
[25/01/2012 12:38:41] Result: d79acc86 accepted
[25/01/2012 12:38:45] Warning: work queue empty, miner is idle
[25/01/2012 12:38:45] Connected to server
[25/01/2012 12:39:04] Result: 83c2d91f accepted

happening again...uggg...all cards are stalling/idle

@Goat: Much love and all, but please update this thread's title. Everytime I see "Hasing power" I want to come in here and post "Wtf is HASING POWER?". lol

Any idea when you will have this automated?  an automated once daily payout would be really spiffy :)

Sigg

+1

Took me a while too to realize what was wrong with this title... it's crazy how those things are true and can be verified on a daily basis:
- "Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht frist and lsat ltteer is at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae we do not raed ervey lteter by itslef but the wrod as a wlohe."
- "What the eyes see, what the ears hear, is what is already in the mind"

It was pissing me off for the longest time, but I kept telling myself he would fix it.... one of these days... ;D

I have a Radeon HD 4650 and consequently can only push around 27Mhash/s. I'm part of a mining pool and get payouts daily around 0.02BTC for my submitted work I was fortunate enough to solve a block as part of the pool effort. Should I stay with my current setup or move to solo mining and hope I have better luck of solving a block on my own.

This is a pleasant surprise.

I will tell them, thanks.. Otherwise, you can look forward to when I receive some extender cables in the next few days so I can add another ~460 Mhash your way :)

thank you very much for the 115% payout bump!

So what should someone who's been mining for you do when after they use their mined coins to buy Alpaca Socks law enforcement shows up and tells them that their coins were the marked proceeds from a sting operation related to drugs, arms sales, child porn trade, or that they were bitcoins reported previously stolen and that they have a warrants to seize all their computers to look for evidence?

The word on IRC is that these private services which pay >100% PPS in BTC for mining are doing this because they're attempting to get rid of 'dirty' coins which could potentially be traced in exchange for freshly mined coins.  Certainly this is the only thing I've heard that makes any economic sense at all, but if it's true don't the miners have a right to know what role they're playing in this and what risk they're taking?

Have I got it wrong?  Can you help me understand what the business is here?

What kind of hash rate are you looking for?

Unfortunately I can't find any explanation of what this hashing power is used for which justifies paying greater than it's direct present value.

If you were operating a service which paid $1.15 for every $1 sold to it, which is what your service is precisely isomorphic to, the same concerns would be raised.

The accusations were already circulating before I brought up the question here. You should be happy to have the opportunity to answer them directly.


I did not intend it as accusation, I thought I was adequately clear: I do not know, and I'm looking for answers.  I posed a hypothetical— If you are not in, in fact, engaging in a business which facilitates flimsy bitcoin laundering via mining then I am apologetic for implying otherwise.

Certainly you must agree that when someone sells mining or bitcoin for instant returns _in bitcoin_ of greater than 100% without cautiously evaluating the business they are getting involved with that there is a _risk_ that their funds could be used to launder for these sorts of activities and that the kind of caution I was encouraging is advisable. No?

I see that you did not, in fact, answer my questions:

Are you using this mining power to engage in bitcoin laundering?
If so, are you personally aware of the details of the transactions which you are laundering for? Can you certify that your service is not facilitating any unlawful or unethical activity?

Will your activity potentially bring unwanted attention by authorities to your mining employees?

I can find no answer to these questions in your documents. Nor does your your veiled contract offering fairly large sums to manufacturer fake "evidence" against me, inspire great confidence on my part.

I'll go hide the first paragraph of my message if it is a distraction which is preventing you from controlling your emotion long enough to give straight factual answers to these questions which I believe are of great interest to the community here.


I have very little clue about you personally. Your response here and in other places I've seen you interact does not inspire me with any confidence about your character— but thats irrelevant.  You have previously ignored private message, so I haven't really had a chance to get to know you. I did not intend to attack your character here (you're doing a good enough job of that yourself), I only intended to ask some serious questions.  

If you look at my posts you can see that I'm not a great advocate of Luke's— and I don't harbor any ill will against you related to that.  I asked because I'm concerned about the health of the bitcoin community, the well-being of my fellow miners, and the reputation of Bitcoin itself.

Linking gmaxwell to any such things is laughable - he is one of the most public faces in the entire community and a valued contributor to many projects. Your hasty response makes me wonder a few things as well.

Oh the irony... the first bounty is used to imply there is no such evidence, and the second bounty to imply there is?

On another note, my bets are on "there was no such cited illegal activity before, but there will be soon now that it's been (effectively) suggested"

You pay 115%, what can you make use of ?

I'm not sure if it's your server or a connection problem on my end, but i sometimes get "Pool 0 not providing work fast enough". and i see my 5sec average hash rate drop to 1 MH/s. is anyone getting this?

7970's need to drop in price before I look at them...

The best performance on them comes from DiabloMiner with no special arguments.

how do you make money paying 115%??

Hmmm. My first day here, but my rejects are upward of 15%. Does your pool not like certain miners?

I just started today and in the mornings it was around 6%. Right now it came down to 3.5%, a little high but it most likely to some disconnects that I've seen in the logs.

My interest is piqued at what you're doing with the hashing power.... but you obviously aren't going to let the cat out of the bag.

You're pointing the hashing power at P2Pool and eating the loss for the good of Bitcoin. :P Awesome! :)

p2pool.stitthappens.com:8336 no fees :)

It's pretty easy to setup.

Install bitcoind with server=1 in the conf
Install a couple packages with apt
Git checkout the project
Open a screen
cd to the project and ./run_p2pool.py <bunch of params>

Hopefully this diagram will help with your config.
http://s14.postimage.org/z7ishi1ql/p2pool_flow.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/z7ishi1ql/)

Don't forget to open the ports on your router/firewall.

Also I modified the ports because I wanted to try litecoin p2pool, so these don't conflict if you want to do that.

[edit]You probably want to specify a bitcoin payout address -a <btc address> in the command to start p2pool. I left that out.

now back to only 105% ?

Yeah. Interested in this as well.

Thanks !

I'm back at 105% too. A few hours ago I was still at 115%.

::) ::)

Edit: title should be updated to reflect those. It's easy to be catchy when only a few percent users can actually reach the 115%...

Awesome diagram! You should post this in the p2pool thread too.

Why would they need it? They are already running p2pool?  :)

I updated the diagram, fixing the typo for namecoind merged-url.

I only did the diagram because trying to do two instances of p2pool in my head required too much brain work.

And why is the namecoind config file named bitcoin.conf?  Uggh...

With the amount of rejects I get, 105% knocks me down to right around 100%. But that's still better than other PPS sites, so I'll stay.

As long as I'm not losing money because of them, I'm fine with it.

I would have gladly stayed at 115% but @ 105 % ??? Im out since another offers 120%

thanks though

I understand 100% and you will be welcomed back once he finds that block or finds out the pool was never set up correctly:)
[/quote]


please let me rephrase,  I would have gladly stayed with your pool at 115%

So Diablo is broken as well !? I thought it was only poclbm problem. Thanks for telling us !

I have had no problems with DiabloMiner... Anyone need help?

Also I have 7.1GHash/s you still looking for miners like me for your pool?

Well, its the end of the road for me. Thanks for the ride.

I averaged 2.5btc/day over the last 3 days. I made 3.2-3.4 btc/day @ BTC guild. ~5gh

was fun while it lasted, thanks

you must be doing something wrong on your end bc i got 5 ghs and am averging 3.4 a day which is tops and what are you paying in fees at btc guild did you factor that in? no way you mine 3.4 after fees

There was nothing wrong, sorry that you feel its my fault. when i first started i was getting like 3.6-3.8 which was awesome. There must have been something fishy going on over the weekend. I guess consistent disconnects. That's the only plausible explanation. I can get up to 5.2gh but over a week i average closer to 4.8 so im not gonna be getting the 115 so thanks anyway.

I have been mining for 8 months and never had issues with miners/settings/pools. I always got exactly what my mhash reflected. I haven't changed anything when switching to different pools. This is the only one that disappointing me :( I feel so noobish for not setting up a backup server. I never needed to in the past.

Yha. Backup pols are in e I use btcguild and even on average I get like. 6 in three days just for having them set up as my back up pool

please could increase it to 110% for 1.5ghs+ ?

By down you mean, lower than 117-115% or even lower than 105%?
Anyway, I like that concept of organized pool hopping, it gives people who can't afford the time setting up hopping for themselves the opportunity to do it while hopefully teaching people who don't care a lesson about proportional mining being bad and PPLNS being a better solution...

Yeah so much for those saying hopping brings in 140% PPS. ::)

So are you saying that hopping is now dead / not profitable since everyone is doing it etc. ?

Of course if everyone does it it doesn't work anymore.... But that's the point after all. All to PPLNS ;) (or equivalent, I don't really know much about this "DGM" thing).

What's up with the "pool"? Seems to have been down for a couple of hours now.

working fine for me

Indeed it's back online now, but that was some long downtime this time.

http://s8.postimage.org/u0mf4enph/lol.png

lol

Web stats are down.

What is the externality?  100% is the most you *should* be earning, so who's pocket are you taking the rest out of?

My miner's reporting "connection refused". Anyone else having such troubles?

yep...down...had a comical balance like EpicBacon...something like $30K in unpaid BTC before it went offline

Goat is having a bad day...

Thanks for the update Goat.

Can those who mine on this pool show us some of the funds they received in block explorer? Are you getting "fresh" coins or old ones?

Goat, where is the FAQ that you referred gmaxwell to?  You seem like a cool guy, but this pool seems too good to be true.

Oh, pool hopping.  That doesn't bother me.  Interesting business.

Seems like your heart is in the right place.  Pardon my unfounded suspicions.

Any ETA yet on when the front end will be back up?  I still get a blank page when I go to http://goat1.zapto.org:8700/bcoin/index.php .

thanks,
Sigg

Thank god for that !

The last thing we need is yet another "OMG, I got hacked, they stole all my BTC, now I cannot pay you fools that mined" incident after a1bitcoinpool, btcserv, ozcoin etc. ...

I had a pending request, if you did receive all of them by e-mail I guess you should have it on file somewhere... Unless the e-mail system got broken too.

Hi Goat,

Thanks for being upfront about this. There are a lot of people around who could learn a lot from that.

That is fucking SAD.
Considering that you did alot of 'management' manually, yourself.... (payments etc) hopefully you can find out which of your users PURPOSELY tried to screw you, or take advantage of an already bad situation.....and in finding who made these withdrawal requests, THEY SHOULD GET NOTHING, since they tried to fuck you over and couldn't.

There are far more Users who are scammers than services in this community and that is obvious at times like this.
I am almost starting to think that this community screams 'SCAMMER' every time a new service/product/opportunity comes out due to their own guilty consciences and nothing more.

You are going to pay even the user(s) who tried to STEAL from you ? The ones who attempted to withdraw hundreds of BTC from their accounts when it was obviously a mistake and they knew about it ? only to try take advantage of it ?

You are a much better person than I am then.....because if I was able to find out who was trying to rip me off, I would simply say FUCK 'EM and give them NOTHING ;)

I'm guessing most of them knew that he made manual payouts by hand anyways, and perhaps tried to run a withdrawal in order to alert him of any issue.

I'm assuming you have found your man?

am i able to point my miners back at the pool also can you list the ip connection or pm it to me plz

ty for the info and plz let me know asap i got my new hardware up ad running and will be more then glad to start mining with you again

Goat, you are a Gentleman. Tanks for payment.

Got my payment. +1 for Goat handling this well.

got my payment too..tnx

Same.  Thanks Goat.

thanks

thx for correct payment... :)

Received mine too. My pending payout plus my remaining balance  ;D

Payment received yesterday as well - figured it might have been lost like A1  ;)

Goat comes thought through in the end!

Goat is a stand up guy. I have also received my payment.

Thanks for the payment! It arrived last night.

Received my full payment a while ago...wanted you all to know Goat's an honest fella

Ty for payment and looking for round 2.1

Any update to the status of things? I need my 117% back!  ;D

any updates?  I miss my 105%

Sigg

any new updates yet

Is it soon yet?

Count me in again :)
If you happen to have your old user database handy, I still have my old credentials.

I am definitely ready to start this up again!

LET ME IN ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  ;D

Ditto here.  I'm good with BETA :)

Sigg

Indeed. I would be pretty interested as well.

Let us know !

Hi Goat,

I would be glad to rent your some hash power.

Any update on this pool?  From what I've seen of your posts as of late (or at least since that jack-ass ran out on your previous operation) you're a big fan of the p2pool stuff and if I recall correctly you were looking into some hybrid private-p2pool?  What's your new venture going to look like?  Inquiring minds want to know...

I resent that remark.

Where will the server be located?

I definitely wasn't aware of this fee.

It isn't "hidden", and you can adjust the fee to whatever you want, including disabled (no fee at all). I believe that recent versions have it disabled by default anyway.

I can confirm that on the version I deployed recently for Bitcoin Syndicate (which was the most recent version as of a week or two ago) it was disabled by default. And also clearly marked and explained in the config/readme

I am interested  - just like the first project...

Mea Culpa Eveofwar, the last posts I saw were not flattering to you...this was from Goat on the on 2/19/2012:



There does not appear to be anything between that post and this that explains what truly happened (may have been another thread?). 

Regarding the hidden fee, you mean the auto-donate which can be disabled?  I believe forrestv has setup a payment address that splits between his dev efforts, the p2pool.info website and paying a reward back into the pool.  Perhaps he will funnel the 0.5% default fee to that address to grow a larger adoption rate.  P2pool seems to have hit critical mass in the ~300GH/s range for some reason.

Hi Goat,

Looks like I have brought your service to it's knees. ::)

Best regards,
gigavps

I seem to be having some problems with connecting to the pool using CGminer, when I enter the pool information the program just stands still and nothing happens. I also tried using GUIminer and then it had connection issues, is this due to that the server is down or is it just something wrong with my mining software?

Thanks
//DeaDTerra

@DeaDTerra: same here, pool seems down a lot. Beta testing and scaling I guess (I assume/hope the problem isn't on my side).

Okay good that it's not on my side, Indeed I will just fix so that I have a good backup pool and run on TyGrr pool when it's stable again :)

//DeaDTerra

They just did a fairly major software upgrade  ;D

If any of you guys use https://github.com/cdhowie/Bitcoin-mining-proxy (https://github.com/cdhowie/Bitcoin-mining-proxy) however you'll get really nice and smooth rollovers. It's well worth running for more or less hassle free rollovers etc. You need to change the output format though to json from json-rpc to use it properly with ecoinpool pools.

hey goat just letting you know that on the stats aspect of this it is only showing the hashrate of the highest miner not the total hashrate of all of them

well in that case total btc and estimated btc payout arnt close either lol

also on a side note will we have the ablity to name are miners blah1,blah2, etc

After last payout, shares did not reset to zero.

Total Shares in stats section is correct, so correct number of shares can be calculated by subtracting the shares already paid from total shares.

fresh account, script error on dashboard:
Warning: Division by zero in (...)/index.php on line 229

Did the PPS Rate change?  It looks like the rate was lowered to 115%

[Edit] I guess it could be a bug  :)

did the pool go down doesnt seem like im connected anymore

it's not just you! not working for me either ???

Shouldn't this be called "Project #2.5" now? (Or 3 :))

Front end and back end are down currently.  Any ETA when they'll return?  Want to figure out where to point my miners for the night.

Cool, thank you.

Wow, what kind of hosting company is this? Mine allows me to restart my server myself... I didn't imagine some companies don't do the same!

it's up now!

And better than ever. I have .62% stales right now. Netxshare is a fucking genius.

And yet you still probably mine more STALES than I mine valids.  Sigh....;)

Frontend unresponsive a few days ago, so couldn't create worker.

Have since lost connection/account details including email.. help ? 

*facepalm gif/pic

ohk

When I go to http://project2.tygrr.com with WIN 7 / Google Chrome my choices are:

KILL PAGES / WAIT

This happened days ago as well, and I thought it was just on your end.  I have no issues with other sites.

thx

No, it's a legit copy of WIN7 with updated Chrome.  Turning off all plugins <incognito> results in same non responsive manner.

 :-\

I am on windows 7 and I use chrome, and I have not had this issue.. One other person did but he was on a dev build of chrome.

I have been unable to recreate this issue.

Try a browser not by Big Brother. I assume that as a Bitcoin user you're likely a least a bit privacy aware and might care about being tracked (http://donttrack.us/) and trapped in a bubble (http://dontbubble.us/).
Still, http://project2.tygrr.com/ works for me in SRWare Iron 17.

Indeed, I have about 1.2% rejects now while I used to have in the 3+% before. Much better, this almost compensates the 120->116% change :D
Edit: however, the pool is being slow right now: cgminer is flooding me with "pool not providing work fast enough" messages, making me mine around 500MH/s instead of the usual 700.

Will this involve people that only mine say day/night time only, meaning we do not pool hop but we simply do not mine 24 hours a day?

//DeaDTerra

I suppose some people work on their mining rig :D I do, but keep mining, and the PC isn't as responsive as it could be without mining.

Still waiting for the second account to be enabled.

thx

How do you manage to lose money on this? Even if you just redirect the hashes to GPUmax, you ought to make a small profit, as you currently get ~120% PPS average just from running public jobs. I know its down from it was before, but its still ~120%. If you do any hopping on top of that, its kinda hard to see how youd make less than 130% PPS ???

Good luck with your operations..

That's a rather simplistic calculation particularly if you take into account the number of pools that have switched away from proportional payouts to less hoppable ones. And you aren't allowing for server costs or other overhead.

And nevermind the fact that a large % of the shares generated here are only generated when GPUMAX isn't accepting public work in the first place.

Of course, thats why its "only" 120% currently. AFAIK, public work is still paid at 150% PPS, but its only ~40% of the shares. You should end up with about 120% average per day if you just point your miners to GPUmax and have a zero fee private pool. Unless gpumax prioritizes small miners, but I have never heard of that.


Overhead and server costs are not a reason to refuse miners. If anything youd want more to cover the fixed costs. Refusing miners indicates "per share" losses, which is hard to grasp for me since gpumax alone ought to cover it.

As for hopping, well, fortunately prop pools are indeed a dying breed, but hopping just one prop pool, depending how badly its being hopped, will get you close to that 10% extra already, and its not like there is only 1 pool you can hop.  If you cant get 116% with a gpumax account and hopping, you are doing something wrong.

Why do you have such a hard time understanding that GPUMAX can't help this project much?  SMART miners are mining @ gpumax and setting this project as the private pool.  If all the hashing power comes into this project when GPUMAX isn't accepting public work, what do you think happens?  Even if this project's miners mine 100% of the time (which isn't gonna happen), GPUMAX is only running ~50% public work right now.

35% not 50% - been that way for almost a week now...

True.  Either way I bet 50% plus of the folks in this project will only use as the private pool for GPUMAX - which means he can't be sending the power to GPUMAX.

LOL. The endless loop for forwarding hashes!

 ;D

You should read more carefully. Goat is not paying 116% if you dont mine here 100% of the time. Anyone "hopping" between this pool and gpumax will only get 100% from goat (which makes complete sense, mind you). 

GPUmax is also closer to 40% public work atm, but the math isnt very hard.  0.4 x 150% PPS + 0.6 x 100% PPS = 120% PPS without any hopping at all. So how does one get below 116% for full time miners?

He's paying everyone 116% right now, regardless of your mining "style".  In his last project, and I assume this one, he stated CLEARLY that he didn't mind the hopping between GPUMAX and him.  The point is he can not just feed work to GPUMAX since:

1.) There isn't enough public work available
2.) When there IS public work available, we are sending hashes to GPUMAX and not this pool

So once GPUMAX normalizes and gets back to periods of 100% public and 100% private work, goat won't be able to use GPUMAX much.  We will all be using him when the GPUMAX work is all private.

I thought GPUMAX banned Goat's pool because it was some sort of endless loop or lagging ?

How are you guys putting Goat as the private pool then ?

Maybe Goat is actually running through GPUMAX and getting a 4% cut for himself ( no evidence, just speculation ) ?

Thanks !

project #2 is working fine with gpumax as a private pool right now...

So he is not penalising for this "hopping" behaviour then ?

I swear that project #2 used to be banned on GPU MAX last time ...

I am consistently mining with a portion of my rigs and the others are at GPUmax amongst other places.  There is more going to project#2 now due to the % off private work 65%.

When Goat opens this up to more users he might impose rules on minimum hash power and varies bonus PPS rates (just speculation on my part).

 Nope I've always used this pool as private pool for gpumax.  Dig back a little and with project 1 goat specifically said he didn't mind if you hopped to him from gpumax.  I think he's doing his own hopping, more power to him.

Why in the world would someone point gpumax work back to you?  Pay 150% to get 116%????

GPUmax purchases do not (or better said, in the recent past, have not) run 24/7...

I'm talking about purchasing work and pointing it back to this project, makes no sense.  Of course we use this for offline pool....

Exactly...

I've just started hashing on your pool yesterday (pointed 1 spare card at it, rest of the cards still @ abc), and I noticed that my client suffers from intermittent disconnections today. My hashing rate comes up at 1-100 MH/s as opposed to the 3-450 MH/s I got yesterday. I'm using phoenix with a 5830 here. Is there something wrong with the pool currently or is it only my problems?

I noticed the DC problems went away, thanks! If this consistency keeps up (which i have faith in  :D), I'll gradually move my hashes over here.

I've been seeing intermittent dc's again and my miner keeps going to the fallback pool.

It's been consistent for over 1+ hours now. I'll drop another post here if anything arises.

I didn't have that much downtime here. Maybe just a little one around 5AM UTC where my miner sent about 60 shares to my backup pool, but otherwise no major loss of connectivity during the last 24h (just a single share here and there, as I suppose happens when you hop).

But you are in very good hands :)

I have very high stale rates on this pool, up to 3%. Someone having the same problem? Or did someone even solve it?
Here is my cgminer config (for one rig with a mixed 7970/5850 setup, driver 12.2):

"temp-cutoff" : "95",
"auto-fan" : false,
"auto-gpu" : false,
"expiry" : "120",
"failover-only" : true,
"gpu-threads" : "2",
"log" : "5",
"queue" : "1",
"retry-pause" : "5",
"scan-time" : "60",
"temp-hysteresis" : "3",
"shares" : "0",
"submit-stale" : true,

"kernel-path" : ".",
"kernel" : "diablo",
"intensity" : "7",

"vectors" : "1,2,2,2",
"worksize" : "256,128,128,128"

i've been having a lot of connection problems this evening, still tinkering with things?

I have also connection problems here. This is a 24h graph of my BACKUP pool :(
I hope that Goat will fix it soon....

http://www.datajari.com/backup.jpg

I`m working....ust settling in

as far:
Total Shares    1889
Total Rejects    43 ( 2.28% )

Any ETA's when the whole pool would be 100% up?

No problems. It seems to be better since an hour ago, but I'll wait from moving most of my miners until its 100%.

It really stinks when this kind of shit happens.

The asshats running this kind of crap don't give a shit about who they're messing with. If this isn't infantile behavior taken to a new extreme I don't know what is  :-\

And now at 105% ?

Just paying attention to the ever dropping rate (unfortunately)...

Hoping this get sorted out and get back to 115%  ;D

If you notice any 'hopping' from me, it's because my backup pool has kicked in  :-\

Hoppers hopping hoppers. Calls for a pic :)

http://www.theweedpatchstore.com/images/T/mommieshoppersT.jpg

Same here, but yeah good thing you deal with hoppers. I hope that it's okay to mine "only" ~16 straight hours a day, though (like, turning off the bedroom laptop so I can sleep :D).

Is it ok to mine on P2 throu GPUMAX ?
I`m doing so. When shares are leased on GPUMAX, i`m off, but GPUMAX lease a lot less than in the past.
After hard 2 first day (stales ~5-7%) now it`s fine - 81259   1374 ( 1.69% )
nice

How do you mean that 'you are being hopped"? Aren't you PPS?

Good to hear :)

You mean you're paying them 101%?

How exactly are you able to afford paying out more than 100% of shares Goat?

This has been answered several times before, please check before you ask :)

Figures.

just a suggestion paid out payment should be most recent at top  not bottom i think

Why do I have a red "hopping detected" ?  ??? I don't hop (and the only thing I've done yesterday is to change my miner to the latest cgminer)

Edit: It's 'active' again.

I think I know why I was labeled - upon inspection, cgminer regularly switches over to my backup pool at abc as project2 keeps going idle after 15~mins of mining and so. Still having problems with the pool?  ???

is there any actual downsides to this?

i'm just using this as a backup pool for gpumax  :D

is it just me that hasn't had my payments sent out in a couple of days? normally they are sent out every 24 hours but since a couple of days back I haven't gotten any payments :8
//DeaDterra

I can't tell for the week-end, as I didn't mine from Friday evening to today morning, but I did get pay for Friday.

Ah that explains it :), thanks
//DeaDTerra

Server down  :-\

Edit: Up again after ten mins.

Sent 0.5 GHash your way.

Will point another 0.6 GHash at you within a week as I bring 2 additional cards online.

any update on when we might start to see 115 again

Stales very been very low for me the last few days - thanks for that!

+1. I'm gradually moving my cards over; just added another card that came back from RMA.

PM sent.

About time I got my router fixed and ready to roll.

Let me know and thanks for promoting decentralization indirectly :D !

Do you have a working front end up?

Yeah - the website works fine...

I registered.. Do you have email for miner idle?  Performance graphs?

Miner Idle Email would be great. I registered and am ready to switch over to try it out, but my login appears to fail so far.

Ok see the front end. Looks ok. Is there an option to change worker name that I am not seeing? I do not have the mental ability to remember all those random strings for 20 workers. Sorry to nit pick but I have a lot of miners and would like to have a nice way to monitor(email alerts needed).

Umm just point them at the same account you don't need individual accounts for every gpu :)

Using pool as a one page to check if money are ticking as intended from every GPU is an option many would desire (not me, I am pointing all at one).
By the way, I can help Goat coding edit/delete for workers if needed.

No but I would like to at least have a name per rig.

I'm seeing 1.16% rejects. 1312 of them total.

Is that a lot or ?

Thats a lot of shares that go unpaid I suppose.

Actually, its just my first day using your pool. 13 hours so far I think. My BFL singles are at just under 1% but my GPU's are at 1.8%.

Not complaining, just asking. I don't know what an expected reject % should be is all and I wanted to alert you if what I was seeing was way outside the norm.

Any thoughts on why the GPU machines have a higher reject than the BLF singles?

jddebug what miners etc are you using?

When it this thing kicking into high gear?

What does Anpu have to do with this?

I get about 0.82% stales.

Is that good ?

What are others getting ?

Thanks !

My stales are now at 1.02% with total of 224114 shares. 27 hours running. So, rejects have been dropping.

i Had until now ~ 1.72% but yesterday and today i have ~5% , i have switch for 1 day to another pool to see if my rigs are ok

Servers down?  I get 100% communication errors now.

Edit: Working again now but not providing work fast enough.

Servers down? 

3.72% of stales, running a couple days. Was down to 2+- yesterday.

Looking at CGMiner, I notice most stales/rejects come when a new block is detected at the network before longpoll kicks in.

LP is being kinda slow.

Edit:

https://i.imgur.com/Jr79r.png

That was what my miners said too. Hence the 3~% reject rate  :(

Have you found anything? I'm still experiencing a high reject rate. Really eats into the profits.

Thanks

That's good to hear  ;D I'm still experiencing a 3~ rate of rejects too as compared to almost 0.1 at btcguild/db

+1

This is good news, the rejects are killing my profits.

ditto

Goat, have you decided to pay for rejects? I'm at about 3%. Although a 2% premium on my shares is better than nothing 3% a really high reject rate compared to anywhere else I mine. Hoping you'll be able to pay for the rejects.

Maybe you'll be able to come up with something else during that time. Although my reject % is high now at times it is below 1% so at 101% + rejects it will fall short of 105% total I think.

~1 million hashes, 1.78% rejects. Current round rejects 2.14% and falling but I have seen it go as high as 4%. For me at least, 1.78% is my overall. Last few rounds have seen higher rejects for me.

Ouch, 101% + Rejects isn't very good news for me.

(Based on 10000 shares, 3% rejects (300), and .000031687 PPS)
PPS*105%:                  .32273
PPS*101% + Rejects:     .32003
PPS*101.5% + Rejects:  .32162

Could you at least manage 101.5?

Otherwise P2PMining.com with its merged mining is more profit for me. By the way, they calculate proportionally according to their thread, but its also based on PPLNS because of the P2Pool backend, so I don't know if there is profit to be made there, but maybe with the Merged Mining you'll make a little more.

Damn the bad news !

Hope it works out for you Goat !

Good luck !

I will still be mining to support your pool !

seems pool server is down

Pool is having problems it seems, was disconnecting and reconnecting, and now its been down for about 5 minutes.

Over half the shares my mining farm is sending here tonight are being rejected, so I've moved away until your problems are resolved.

Odd, I'm having one of my better nights actually, 1.08%

Looks like gpumax is having issues with this pool for some reason right now (my shares flow through them).

As do mine but mine seems to be ok. 0.97% right now.

I'm actually getting around 190% rejected shares to accepted shares right now, only when connecting through gpumax to this pool.

0.54% for me. The lowest its ever been. Very strange.

Not sure what it is, but 2 of my cards (5770s) get horrid stale/invalid on this pool (5-7%).

The other cards all get ~0.7% stale, higher than I'd like but not horrid.

I pointed the two cards in question to ABC pool and they seem to be working fine there: [24-hour running totals: 99.48% valid (7340), 0.26% stale (19), 0.26% invalid (19).

Very weird.

Is there something about the way your pools works that makes it so lower hash rate cards end up with more stales/invalids?  My other cards have a much better hash rate.

What miner are you using for the 5770s ? I have a ton of them and generally speaking I only get decent results from the using poclbm.

EDIT: Forgot to say they work by far the best on their own or with 5750s. In mixed boxes with multi series gpus using CGminer or Phoenix 2.0 they performs horribly as they're slow than the rest by far.

@Goat and Bigpiggy01

Not using GPU max.

I'm using whatever the default is for BAMT on my 5770's (I believe it's Phoenix?).

My 5770s are in a machine that only has 5770s (low power atom board).

Started mining here yesterday and I am having a real high stale rate, at 2.5%. At eligius I had 0.4% stale rate,if this continues I'll have to change pools.

Stales and Rejects are going to start counting toward pay soon, that's why it was dropped from 105% to 102%.

Try the following settings using SDK2.1 and the prephatk2 modded phatk kernel:

Core: 918 Mem: 306 Voltage: 1.125 Worksize= 256

This works really nicely on my old Unika 512mb 5770s

The 5770s I run don't like the mem 300 or less down clock keeping them at exactly Men= two thirds of core seems to make them run a lot smoother.

Was 1.5% yesterday but became ( 3.5% ) today.  :-\

How do I get a payout? I already mined 0.5 btc

Stales/rejects getting out of hand (4.72%). I'll be moving to my backup pool before this is solved...  :-\

That's weird, seems like most people are getting their worst reject rates at the moment, while on the contrary I'm getting the best I remember: 1.35%.

 i belive the pool is down

I'm unable to reach the website.

btw, when will you be doing payouts? I didn't get any yesterday.

+1 to both. Is there something wrong with the vps again? I was able to reach the tygrr.com site though.

Server is fuqed they're in the process of migrating to a new one.  :'(

Check your emails. BitVPS moved to a new datacenter, you have a new IP ..

Meanwhile, you owe me over 10 btc from mining and I've yet to receive it. 

What?  I knew you owed me because the website was showing it... you know, before it went down all of the sudden when I asked about it in channel.  If the only place your wallet exists is on a vps, you're just asking for trouble.

I had a good 12BTC built up myself. Should have been a bit more depending on exactly when it stopped working.

Have you bothered to call him? Making threats isn't cool.

What threats?

I don't see why anyone is even bothered by this. They don't make pools with zero downtime.

The "name destroyed" part, especially considering Goat's track record of troublemaking in various ventures.

Yeah sure, but you tend to fight underhanded and dirty. That's why I stay away.

I remember Goat bitching about deserving interest because you couldn't access the funds due to him.  Perhaps I should start demanding the same?

I stand corrected.  It wasn't "interest", it was a "token of goodwill".

I can live without the pool but I need the BTC I had earned please. Hows it going getting that taken care of?

Fine, I take back what I said about interest.  Instead, I'm asking for a token of goodwill from YOU.  After all, shit happens.  Things happen to all service providers, that's why you do backups.  How often were you doing yours?

I'm not saying backup after every share, but backing up twice a week isn't enough. (notice how you didn't actually answer how often you back up?)  Even every 24 hours would have documented half of what I'm due.  You were having payout issues even before the server finally went offline.  Payments would show as pending for hours until some prodding went on and something happened behind the scenes.  (or do you dispute that?)

Going by averages is going to screw people because GPUMax has been having issues the last few days and at least for me, you're my fallback.  Which means my average is going to be much lower than what I'm actually due, even with a 33% bonus.

Edit: and as a further reply.. the 10+ btc is payments that were to have been sent, not the 'pending' amounts that is shown lower down on the page that grows after shares are submitted.  Obviously the payments bit is an aggregate, I would think that would be a good time to have a save state of some sort.

Goat, I am CERTAIN that I am owed at least 12 BTC. There was about 11 BTC pending and we had started into another (block?) and when I had last checked it was nearing 1btc. I was away working for a long period and came back to idle miners and no website. I don't know how long mining had continued after I left.

12 to 13 BTC times the 135% will suit me fine. Could use it now though. Hoping you can get that worked out soon.

edit: changed the 1.35 to 135%

same here,

got about ~8.8 BTC Pending. And when i left website i worked ~4.5 BTC...6 Hours later = Offline...speed ~11GH

nyana

Seriously, you make 12 BTC a day, so you probably have like $6000 worth of GPUs, and you can't wait a few days for a $60 payout?   ::)
I'm not too happy either about the delay, but I sure can sustain a delayed 1-day worth of BTCs...

Any ETA's by RG? Seems really unprofessional by a VPS company to sell their clients' servers while still in contract.

1. Chaang is not listed on the account, he did not sign up, his name is not listed anywhere.
*I am unable to discuss any specifics with him*

2. The person who *did* sign up and their name is on the account I have been in constant contact with him since this whole fiasco happened. We are also dealing with our own issues with the DC as they have given us the royal screw job.

So there's our statement.

Unfortunately its not that simple. This will all be fixed in due time. I'm just waiting for the person who actually pays for the server to talk to me. BitVPS is going to do what we can to fix this and attempt to make every happy, as per the usual.

 ???

I thought that was somewhat of a contradiction too.

Goat chooses strange partners to keep our coins.

Looks like it was a good decision to only mine 0.5 btc in this pool. Which by the way still hasn't been paid.

What happened ?

I'd be fine with that solution.

Won't be exact, but should be ballpark enough.

Sure, it's not as if you were both posting in the same thread at a few posts interval...


So, let me get this straight:
http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/200121serverrentingflowbad.png
Am I right?
Seems pretty inefficient compared to what I usually do:
http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/930236serverrentingflowgood.png

Seems like this is the case now, but remove the RG part as he should be the 'some server provider' if I ain't wrong:
http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/200121serverrentingflowbad.png

Well, I'm not too sure about that:

Yes, you might be correct. It seems RG is renting whole dedicated servers to lease out.

So what if RG can't recover data?  What's the plan B?

What's the timeline on that?

It's one freaking day worth of payouts. Chomping at the bit is not going to get this done any faster. It's not like the crack dealer closed up shop.

Due to the timing, its two.  I'm just trying to figure out when RG's gonna stop being the excuse and Chaang finally takes ownership of this.  I don't dispute that RG's DC screwed things up, but at some point, Chaang's ultimately responsible.

So basically still pointing the finger instead of taking ownership.  Well done.  I also see you failed to answer my question from way back when.. when's your last backup?

I smell a double standard here.
imsaguy are you holding gpumax to the same standard as Goat? I might have missed it, but I dont see you rave about stats and purchases and payments being late on gpumax.

I dont think Im known as Goats biggest fan but unfortunate things happen and so far, Goat is being entirely reasonable about this IMO.

I don't have stats from gpumax, but I've gotten paid.  gpumax isn't blaming their hosting for the failed harddrive.  They're taking ownership and working around it/through it. 

I have talked to Chaang and all I got was a bunch of curse words thrown at me, complaints about mtgox, his lawyer, wife, etc, not the issue at hand.

I want to make one thing *sparklingly* clear.:
BitVPS Policy - # We are not liable for any damage or loss of data. All clients are responsible for the backup of their data.

That has been up on BitVPS.COM since day one. (http://www.bitvps.com/information2/terms-of-service/)

We are NOT liable for their data loss YET we are still helping them because we believe in the Bitcoin Community and will help as much as we can.
I am honestly at a loss here because I try to work something out with Chaang and he freaks out at me.

So you may flame and say what you will, but, we're doing ALL we can to help. I can't do anything til the owner of the server decides what to do to payout the users(we pretty much have it down, its a matter of implementation)

Ask Linode how much they helped Bitcoinica after they had 100k BTC stolen.

Thanks for your attention in this matter,
James "rg" Edward

You are extremely difficult to work with.

Careful, he might put you on the ignore list too.

I hate to be rude, but he is already going behind his back to help you. I wouldn't want to go behind my back to work with someone who is throwing curses at me either, yet he still is. You should be at least a little thankful :P

hmm j/w if it is true that the server was sold before the lease agreement is up. bc in that instant your BitVPS Policy - # We are not liable for any damage or loss of data. All clients are responsible for the backup of their data. would be null and void since you broke the lease contract. at least that is how it would play out in a court.

Are you a lawyer/judge?

Where'd that come from? Was that a posting somewhere that I missed?  If it wasn't, how would you know anything about it unless either Goat or RG said something?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=54467.msg869310#msg869310

You're right, I got distracted by the other bit.

Edit:  See how hard that was.. admitting when you're wrong... oh wait, it wasn't.  Too bad others can't do that.

as per my lawyer she said its just plain common sense if you break a lease agreement anything in said lease agreement is null.

That isn't always the case.  Many contracts will have survival clauses.

i also agree but the way he put it he didnt say he had a survival clauses.

also plz dont get mad at me. Im just asking for the facts. like a true answer did your service resale the server before the lease or no. I mean there's alot of he said she said im just asking for cold facts.

MOAR punctuation please.

I've become rather curious of WHO actually leased the server and why they would be so hard to get a release of information from so RG can talk with you.

I'd venture to guess its netxshare since he's the one that seems to run the day to day things and I can't imagine he'd impede the conversation.

This is why "legit" companies never have a useful and handy forum/IRC presence. There are humans behind the companies after all, and I can understand rg's frustration over what we know to him is basic admin competency - backing things up.

Bravo!

Any updates lately?  ???

reeses, you're such an intelligent man

So rage by the no answer to my question. I take it as the server was sold prematurely.

Hes not going to admit doing something that negligent.

Its been 5 days now. Whats the word about the server info being made available to you so we can all be cashed out?

I'm waiting to see what he thinks is a fair way to make it right with all of us. The initial proposal you had mentioned (135% or something like that) sounded good to me but if you can't get ANY of the data back how will we prove to you what we had pending? I know a good minimum approximation for myself and I stated it right in the beginning. I hope you can extrapolate some statistics that back that up.

My guess is looking at some previous stats and extrapolating to the missing day. Hoppers were tagged, and it seems reasonable to assume most other people had a steady hashrate. Apart from connection issues which prevented me from mining from time to time, I've been mining quite constantly around 650-700MH/s.

LESSONS LEARNED:

RAID, dammit.
Daily full backup, and rsync only changes every few hours.
Spare hardware in hotsync, if there are a lot of users.
Prop hopping has gone the way of the dinosaur.

Glad to see people finally caught up with me.  What's even better is you're not ignored so maybe Goat will actually read it.

If you have money, VPS aren't cheap :-( Dumping small databases fews hours and rsyncing away to a safe storage is an option. But with large databases it won't work.

For my setup I am thinking of getting a VPS and also replicate everything to my dev server at home with daily backups to a third location.

Yeah I'm partial to DRBD, and yes it would make more sense for a fast database.

+1?

Just my daily update bump, thanks for the update.  ;D

How much data loss was there?

Why would he tell me?  My name isn't on the account. 

I asked because you said you had the old data, but obviously it probably doesn't have every last share.  I was just curious as to how much it had.

You mean the repayments for the people waiting for the payouts? So how would you determine who has what balance, or you got the data back from RG? I personally have 0.60~ on the unpaid waiting list before everything folded.

Thanks for the update.

I think it was you, but it might have been someone else that said gpumax was down so your loads were higher than normal.  I'm not trying to be a jerk, I just think it shorts everyone.

So do you mean that there will be a day where you're reopening the server and allow us to mine for 102% + 138 btc? That would be incredibly unfair, as people could just take advantage by pointing more hashes at once to your server. Also, that wouldn't cover the losses incurred as even if you pay out 138%(was that mentioned before?) people like me who are owed approx 1 1/2 days of payment would have to mine for a couple of days to recoup the losses previously (36% per day of repayment) unless we bring in extra hashes.

Personally, I would prefer using historical payouts instead. That would make more sense, and fairer to all.

I agree, I had over 2.6 BTC in unpaid transactions on my account.
//DeaDTerra

I had over 10BTC in unpaid transactions on my account.  Historical averages show I hopped tygrr just like tygrr hopped pools, mainly when gpumax was down, I was on tygrr.  Gpumax was down the couple of days before tygrr went down.  How do you make that fair?

Don't blame me because you had no backups on your data and were too busy to fund your live wallet.  There were pending transactions that should have went out and didn't because you weren't around. "Travelling" or some such.

Would a vote or something be better then? Why does imsaguy wants that alternative instead ? I don't see how it can be fair to anyone as obviously everyone's gonna get shorted, unless you abuse it.

The same could be said for the rest of us that did not hop tygrr. Unless we bring in more hashes then our previous amount of hashes, we will be shorted instead.

I think historical averages are fair as long as you just look at each member's % of the total BTC available.  I have to assume most or all of us used this pool as a backup to GPUMAX so we all would have more work for those couple days.

I still don't understand what you mean by free for all 102% to pay out your settlement?  You will generate even more btc from those shares, no??  Or are the coins you have only going to cover the extra 2%?  This is wild.

We'll I feel its unfair I had 9.26 btc waiting to be paid out via. The last two pending transactions plus whatever wasn't pending right before the server when down. There is no way I would be able to make that up in your one day free for all.

Agreed to both, although I'm only owed ~0.6 btc as I've only pointed my ~700mhs desktop here not my entire farm.

I've said all along I'm at 10.x btc.  Your average things pays me 2-3btc, roughly 20-30% of what was due. 

I am somewhere in the middle.  I had a 4.4BTC pending before things went south. Whichever method can recover closer to that would be ok with me. :)

Keep us posted Goat.

I didn't say necessarily pay the average daily rate, but everybody's contribution % as a % of the total BTC he has.  Meaning, if goat has 136 btc available and you typically represented 10% of his payouts you'd get 13.6BTC.  Remember most all of us had higher than usual activity those last couple days so goat should also have more coins than he normally would pay as well.

Goat - why don't you just post what a % share based on historical averages would look like?  Maybe we are all bent out of shape over nothing.

Tell you what, just pay based on historical average and keep whatever my share would be.

This "because this is what imsaguy wants" is a bunch of crap.

I asked why my btc payouts were pending BEFORE the website went down.  Its not like I made some number up knowing there was no way to verify the claim.  I didn't get my otc rating by lying and cheating.

Mine had been pending for longer than usual too. I KNOW I had 12BTC+ without a doubt. Was so high because had been pending for an extra day for some reason.

Please let us know what you think we would each get with the average historical hash rates. I think that would be more fair than a free for all because free is never really free from my experience.

I think we were all in that situation

Ok, I'm game. 12.1 BTC I believe I'm low on that number but 99.9% sure I'm not high unless the pending was inaccurate.

I will claim 2.3, that's the latest I saw pending and that was about 12 hours before the servers were shutdown, so it might be higher.
//DeaDTerra

8.8 BTC pending

4.X BTC "worked"

6 hours later - offline - speed 10GH

.5BTC Owed here, thanks goat.

I don't really know how much I had pending... all I know is I was mining continuously at around 650-700MH/s (more in the 700 - 2x 5870). So, this, times the time between latest payout and server outage. Probably 0.5 to 1 BTC. If I take nyana's figures for 10 GH/s and convert for 700MH/s I get 0.89 BTC.

I would have been right around 2BTC

How are you going to match users in project2 to forum's nicks?

I don't spend all day on the forums goat, so if any final decisions are made on how payouts are going to be done let me know via IM please.

Personally I think the best way to do it would to take an average of the last 7 days of user payout stats you have, and just pay everyone that value for the one day your missing data. Obviously not a perfect solution, but it seems better to me than the other ideas in here so far.

Ultimately I don't really care that much as long as some sort of payment comes my way, it doesn't have to be perfect people make mistakes and I'm not going to bust your balls over it. It's only one day worth of BTC and i'm saying this with 32 GH/s.


In regards to your earlier question a few pages back about mining here at 98% PPS, I think anything below 100% pps is cheating ignorant/lazy people (I'm looking at you deepbit).

How does 100% pps work? The lower a fee a PPS pool has the more likely they are to go bankrupt and take all your cash. At 98%, if goat maintained 1700 btc in reserve at all times he'd only have a 1/1000 chance of eventual bankruptcy.  For a 1% fee, he'd need to maintain a 3500 btc reserve. Try to get by with a lower reserve, say 500 btc and the chance of eventual bankruptcy with a 2% fee rises to about 67%.

Even at a 10% fee, deepbit needs to maintain a reserve of 365 btc at all times.

So if someone is offering you 100% pps and can't explain why, be aware that if they're attempting to make money by pool hopping, that really isn't viable anymore. Also, be aware that you could lose coins. When a pool becomes bankrupt it will be sudden and you will probably lose whatever coins you were owed. If it was a very long block that caused the pool to become bankrupt, you could lose 10 or more blocks worth of coin.

I saw that. I also got an email from Burning Toad about ARS' close down today - you receive it too?

Unfortunately, mining at a SMPPS pool with a negative buffer is rolling the dice and hoping that the buffer will turn positive. Add on top of that the problems that started to creep up with the pool and the operators absence, this was definitely a recipe for disaster.

Everything I said above though must be put on the miner and not the operator I'm afraid. Saying that ARS owes you 58 BTC is like hoping your fairy god mother comes down, sprinkles a little fairy dust and fixes all of your problems.

Please take responsibility here. You gambled on getting 100% PPS payout from a pool with a negative buffer and an absent operator and have now lost that bet.

Actually, I'm fairly amazed at how long Eligius worked well with SMPPS. They have been in the negatives for some time, but the people never left(me included unfortunately), and it sprung back to the positives fairly fast enough to be reassuring. Why is that so?  :o

Why don't miners leave? Inertia, not understanding that maturity time variance is as bad as payout variance, and lack of strategic miners there. If I mined Eligius, I'd have a script set to mine elsewhere when the the buffer was negative.

Guess you nailed the points. However, I mostly prefer to mine in a place where the payouts are predictable in the short run, hence why I normally go for SMPPS/PPS type of pools. I've tried DGM at Eclipse once for 2 days; the payouts were lower then usual by a lot. Is there a type of payout method most close to PPS? Thanks

(I know it's off topic here, and I apologize for that, but it seems to be the best chance to ask  ;D)

Unpaid is something different from someone saying they are owed something.


Owed implies you were wronged in some way hence placing the responsibility on the pool operator. I'm simply saying that your gamble didn't pay off.


You're welcome.  :)

Well, seems fair enough. Is RG's compensation(did he give one?) included? If so, please give your email address.

Hmm.. no. You offered a pay per share business, that means you owe everyone what you promised for the shares they submitted. Ars did not, they owe their miners what was effectively mined, not a dime more.

Couldn't we say the same about your pool?  We were/are owed and have btc unpaid.  It sucks being on the other side of the fence, doesn't it?

BT made it clear he was not keeping the pool up to date and maintenance had fallen of the deep end. Go re-read the ARS thread, the email you recieved was notice that he was closing the site and hosting down, the pool hasn't had an operator in quiet some time. SMPPS pays as long as there is a positive pool buffer, it never became positive he owes you nothing. You should feel cheated by yourself, if anything, because you were either too lazy/bullheaded to move on or you were too optimistic that BT's personal issues were going to be resolved and he would come back.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=18567.msg649544#msg649544 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=18567.msg649544#msg649544)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=18567.msg606692#msg606692 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=18567.msg606692#msg606692)

If you need further information on SMPPS you should contact Meni

He paid out everything he had, even if it meant not everyone got 100% of what they were owed.  Its EXACTLY the same as what you're doing.. you're paying out everything you have and if there's not enough to go around, tough luck.

I said nothing to the affect that you would not pay your miners because of BT closing ARSBitcoin. As an operator of a PPS platform mining pool, I believe it is required of you to pay out all shares as you have taken any buffer for yourself and have agreed by offering PPS to take on all risk of variance for yourself with the hopes of making profits off quick blocks. As to SMPPS and BurningToad, you should read pg 16-17 of Meni's Analysis of Bitcoin Pooled Mining Reward Systems, published Nov. 17, 2011 (https://bitcoil.co.il/pool_analysis.pdf).

Furthermore, it is very rude to say BurningToad morally ambiguous when he had stated;
especially given the fact that he stated this when the pool had a 800+ BTC positive buffer. You knew and understood, or had the information available but ignored it, the dangers associated with mining at a SMPPS pool.

You are correct, context is my friend. So are semantics as you so eloquently put it.

You don't know the circumstances of his leave of absence and reason for pool shutdown. He could very well have cancer, I'd say fuck it too.

You stated BurningToad owed you something. This is not the case completely. Remember context is my friend.
Context of message:
In the left panel on ARSBitcoin.com there is "Unpaid Work" & "Current Balance". If you have mined coins from positive buffer or PPPS from negative buffer (Current Balance), you are welcome to come and claim your coins. Unpaid negative SMPPS buffer (Unpaid Work) will not be paid. There will be no future blocks to pay for unpaid work, the risk of mining SMPPS.

If you knew of the dangers and explained it, why are you even bringing that up? Because this is what you do.
Why are you questioning BT's morals when you knew this was a risk but continued to mine there anyway?

Every time something goes wrong for you, you attempt to drag someone else's name though the mud. You need to stop doing this.


As for this, are you serious? I do believe "common people" use words as currently defined by most recent issues of dictionaries.
Person (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/person): Human, Individual
Owe (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/owe): To be under obligation to pay or repay in return for something received

+1

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Own%20Up&defid=5500306

So contracts are going to have to have a shit clause now too?

Just waiting for the email to arrive so I can (to the best of my knowledge) provide you with an estimate of my earnings.

Thank you

I wasn't trolling. You seemed to have trolled your own thread, there was no need for you to bring up BurningToad in the midst of your own issues.

EDITED

My apologies, that was rude.
Seriously though, stop bringing others up when you have problems.

Sent an email to p2 at tygrr  d-t c0m as I didn't receive the email from you, thanks.

Did you receive my email? Seems queer as there's no sign of your email in my spam folder.

Email sent.

I hope we'll have a little time then to resubmit if some e-mails happen to have been lost...

Approaching 2 weeks in 3 days. Everything on track for doing the payouts?

It's been over 2 weeks, lets get this over with already..

Waiting for this to end well.  ;D

Thanks

Any updates?

I see my address but it's truncated (2 characters missing at the end !) Is this normal or should I send you the full one via PM?
Edit: just realized it's in my sig anyway  ;D

mine is truncated as well, sent PM

Looks good. Do the numbers add up?

Mine's okay too. ;D

Got mine. Thank you.

Got mine as well.  Thanks for doing the right thing, much appreciated.

Confirm that I received mine too. Thanks!  :D

got nothing yet. Ive send you a PM...

Got it too, thanks :)

Payment received.

Hey,

here are some pics of my client, my Rig is abou 11GH, see in my sig, much Ztex in Germany and GPU Boards in eastern europe..

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/4642/img2594me.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/59/img2594me.jpg/)

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/885/tygrr1.th.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/442/tygrr1.png/)


you may have all other details.

- nyana

You should probably delete that post and PM Goat direct, if you want to maintain some anonymity.

You should upgrade your client.

wheres the problem with anonymity? Photoshopped!

- nyana

Your address and balance can be determined from the transaction amounts, since they are mostly unique.

Also, the version you are using has had several security fixes and should be upgraded.

oh you right, thank you -sent PM  ;)

P.S. Upgrade done!

Maybe time to lock this thread up?

hey i asked you for 12btc,

when i leaved my control-room i got 8,8BTC on state "pending"...and actually mined 4 btc, when i came back ~ 6hrs later - youre offline.

the reason why im asking for more BTC is because the time between last payment an the crash is longer then 1 day...= ~12btc

and...im on gpumax too, may the have much leased work these days before...

sorry my fu**in english...may another one can follow my description

im on german time (GMT+1) (in summer GMT+2)

Payment received - thank you!

- nyana