[CLOSED] Watch the thread for finaly payout info "Project #2"

[dmcurser]

as per my lawyer she said its just plain common sense if you break a lease agreement anything in said lease agreement is null.

[imsaguy]

as per my lawyer she said its just plain common sense if you break a lease agreement anything in said less agreement is null.

That isn't always the case.  Many contracts will have survival clauses.

[dmcurser]

i also agree but the way he put it he didnt say he had a survival clauses.

also plz dont get mad at me. Im just asking for the facts. like a true answer did your service resale the server before the lease or no. I mean there's alot of he said she said im just asking for cold facts.

[imsaguy]

also plz dont get mad at me im just asking for the facts like a true answer did your service resale the server before the lease or no i mean there's alot of he said she said im just asking for cold facts.

MOAR punctuation please.

[jddebug]

Well soon RG will have permission to speak with me and this will be sorted I'm sure. Thanks.

I've become rather curious of WHO actually leased the server and why they would be so hard to get a release of information from so RG can talk with you.

[imsaguy]

Well soon RG will have permission to speak with me and this will be sorted I'm sure. Thanks.

I've become rather curious of WHO actually leased the server and why they would be so hard to get a release of information from so RG can talk with you.

I'd venture to guess its netxshare since he's the one that seems to run the day to day things and I can't imagine he'd impede the conversation.

[rjk]

It would be in their best interests never to discuss this sort of issue in public, even if Goat made up lies such as,"They copied my wallet off the server and THEN set fire to it, and by the way, rg told me he was shakaru!"

This is why "legit" companies never have a useful and handy forum/IRC presence. There are humans behind the companies after all, and I can understand rg's frustration over what we know to him is basic admin competency - backing things up.

[imsaguy]

EDIT: imsaguy is an annoyance.

Bravo!

[John (John K.)]

Any updates lately? 

[rapeghost]

hmm j/w if it is true that the server was sold before the lease agreement is up. bc in that instant your BitVPS Policy - # We are not liable for any damage or loss of data. All clients are responsible for the backup of their data. would be null and void since you broke the lease contract. at least that is how it would play out in a court.

Generally, a service provider limits their liability to the terms of their agreement via SLAs.  I.e., bitvps is not going to get any money from their hosting provider beyond a day or two credit (if it was the hosting company's fault) and bitvps will have to eat any overtime, etc., spent cleaning up the mess, along with any credit they have to issue to their customers, e.g., Goat.

Think about your cable modem.  If you work at home and your broadband connection goes down for the day, the cable company isn't responsible for your lost wages or the coffees you ended up buying at SBUX to use their wifi all day, even if it were a business account.  They would never make back the money you claim to have "lost".

However, when you call the cable company after it's cleared up, they'll credit your account for the outage, and usually round up (to the day, week, whatever) to appear customer focused.

The whole industry is built on a stack like this.  Why do data center providers have to use multiple network carriers, each of which exits a different side of the building?  Why do they have redundant power along with redundant generators?  It's because if the power company takes out a line, they don't go out of business.

Sure, they have insurance, but that is yet another negotiated agreement that will just balance expense and risk.

Goat's going to end up eating whatever loss is involved in the contents of that server.  He may choose to pay out of pocket, assuming he has the btc and can come to some terms with what is owed to miners.  Without backups, his ability to determine that is based on the honesty of the miners. (In math, we call that "epsilon".)  What he does is up to him, and yes, you'll probably feel ripped off.

Sure, bitvps failed to provide a service, and frankly, I do not believe they are qualified to run a hosting business for anything other than personal websites, but their liability is limited.  They just handled this in a really immature way in a public forum.  It would be in their best interests never to discuss this sort of issue in public, even if Goat made up lies such as,"They copied my wallet off the server and THEN set fire to it, and by the way, rg told me he was shakaru!"

EDIT: imsaguy is an annoyance.

reeses, you're such an intelligent man

[dmcurser]

So rage by the no answer to my question. I take it as the server was sold prematurely.

[cuz0882]

So rage by the no answer to my question. I take it as the server was sold prematurely.

Hes not going to admit doing something that negligent.

[jddebug]

Its been 5 days now. Whats the word about the server info being made available to you so we can all be cashed out?

[jddebug]

Its been 5 days now. Whats the word about the server info being made available to you so we can all be cashed out?

The unofficial word is that the data can not be recovered and the server can not be accessed. We are waiting on an official resolution from bitvps and will let you know as soon as we know. I have however expressed speed in the resolution. We are more or less going to accept whatever bitvps offers, we are not going to sue them or anything over this.

Thanks.

I'm waiting to see what he thinks is a fair way to make it right with all of us. The initial proposal you had mentioned (135% or something like that) sounded good to me but if you can't get ANY of the data back how will we prove to you what we had pending? I know a good minimum approximation for myself and I stated it right in the beginning. I hope you can extrapolate some statistics that back that up.

[localhost]

I'm waiting to see what he thinks is a fair way to make it right with all of us. The initial proposal you had mentioned (135% or something like that) sounded good to me but if you can't get ANY of the data back how will we prove to you what we had pending? I know a good minimum approximation for myself and I stated it right in the beginning. I hope you can extrapolate some statistics that back that up.

My guess is looking at some previous stats and extrapolating to the missing day. Hoppers were tagged, and it seems reasonable to assume most other people had a steady hashrate. Apart from connection issues which prevented me from mining from time to time, I've been mining quite constantly around 650-700MH/s.

[rjk]

LESSONS LEARNED:

RAID, dammit.
Daily full backup, and rsync only changes every few hours.
Spare hardware in hotsync, if there are a lot of users.
Prop hopping has gone the way of the dinosaur.

[imsaguy]

LESSONS LEARNED:

RAID, dammit.
Daily full backup, and rsync only changes every few hours.
Spare hardware in hotsync, if there are a lot of users.
Prop hopping has gone the way of the dinosaur.

Glad to see people finally caught up with me.  What's even better is you're not ignored so maybe Goat will actually read it.

[vampire]

LESSONS LEARNED:

RAID, dammit.
Daily full backup, and rsync only changes every few hours.
Spare hardware in hotsync, if there are a lot of users.
Prop hopping has gone the way of the dinosaur.

If you have money, VPS aren't cheap :-( Dumping small databases fews hours and rsyncing away to a safe storage is an option. But with large databases it won't work.

For my setup I am thinking of getting a VPS and also replicate everything to my dev server at home with daily backups to a third location.

[rjk]

As for replication, log or block shipping is preferable to rsync, especially if you don't have clustered storage management (ASM, VCS, etc.).

Yeah I'm partial to DRBD, and yes it would make more sense for a fast database.

[John (John K.)]

Any updates lately? 

+1?