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Title: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: shasan on May 16, 2023, 06:35:26 PM What happened:: The user (Shan85) wearing both signatures of Duelbits signature as well as signature of BetterCallRaul (each before receiving the payment.
Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3411432 Reference Link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SxdEVD6MNn6I_SkSzldLFy5Ssx7IUBO_cpxtWKXj_Jk/edit#gid=276085590 Amount Scammed: about 280$ Payment Method: Bitcoin Proof of Payment: https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/addresses/btc/bc1q5d3fa52ewajkzd532ejc8wzxleeml2ta9khc08 Additional Notes: Received the payment from duelbit now wearing signature of BetterCaulRaul to receive payment from Bettercallraul https://img001.prntscr.com/file/img001/RTt3P3fKSqK9z8eOdsDI_g.png Received negative trust from both campaign manager: https://img001.prntscr.com/file/img001/eoVHKFhbRomWCf9nH-K7YQ.png Flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3163 Flag type 3 created by Royse777 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=366632) : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3164 Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: shasan on May 16, 2023, 06:35:42 PM Reserve
Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: AB de Royse777 on May 16, 2023, 06:46:17 PM He received 3 weeks payment from BetterCallRaul.it No KYC Crypto Exchange Signature Campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5446432.0) campaign. So please add $120 more (0.00422361 BTC).
I am creating a flag. Type 3: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3164 Please support. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: Cantsay on May 16, 2023, 06:48:56 PM It's been long since I last saw a thread concerning a user that is double dipping in signature campaign the last one I saw was during my early days here on bitcointalk. I thought that act has stopped I didn't realize that some still engaged in it.
I think this is a call for campaign managers to recheck their spreadsheet to see if there are any participants who are engaging in illicit activities. I also think it would be nice if a campaign sometimes during the week just casually goes through the spreadsheet or profile of those I'm their campaign. Type 3: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3164 Please support. +1 supported. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on May 16, 2023, 06:52:27 PM Received the payment from duelbit now wearing signature of BetterCaulRaul That freaked me out for a second, as a 'caul' is an anatomical term and it made me wonder what the hell that campaign is all about. Lol.How did this scunt wind up wearing two signatures long enough to get paid by both campaigns? Maybe I'm missing something very obvious, but I've always understood that if you're in a campaign and change your signature even briefly, it's noted by the campaign manager....somehow. I never understood the somehow, but is that not the case? And if it were as easy as switching sigs and trying to fool managers, we'd be seeing way more of these shenanigans. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: shasan on May 16, 2023, 06:54:16 PM I am creating a flag. I have already supported and now it is showing "Warning: Trade with extreme caution!" as I, you and nakamura12 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1726595) supporting the flag. Type 3: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3164 Please support. P.s a flag should be created because that account deserves it. Already created 2 flags one by me and another by the campaign manager Royse777 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=366632). Hope you will support both flags.How did this scunt wind up wearing two signatures long enough to get paid by both campaigns? Maybe I'm missing something very obvious, but I've always understood that if you're in a campaign and change your signature even briefly, it's noted by the campaign manager....somehow. I never understood the somehow, but is that not the case? And if it were as easy as switching sigs and trying to fool managers, we'd be seeing way more of these shenanigans. The user was never informed about the change of the signature (as the user wanted to take double payment) and each time before receiving payment wear the signature of the campaign. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: MinMan on May 16, 2023, 06:58:40 PM Really a good work by @bbigtart (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5280190.msg62253554#msg62253554).
I wonder how they spotted that user is wearing different signature, hopefully they might be checking each and every user's sig on duelbit campaign sheet; but why? for merits? IMO definitely they deserve much appreciations. He received 3 weeks payment If your campaign sheet is visible like most other campaigns, probably Sherlock Holmes of this community might have caught this scammer earlier.Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: nakamura12 on May 16, 2023, 07:11:42 PM He received 3 weeks payment from BetterCallRaul.it No KYC Crypto Exchange Signature Campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5446432.0) campaign. So please add $120 more (0.00422361 BTC). Done +1I am creating a flag. Type 3: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3164 Please support. P.s a flag should be created because that account deserves it. Already created 2 flags one by me and another by the campaign manager Royse777 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=366632). Hope you will support both flags.He received 3 weeks payment from BetterCallRaul.it No KYC Crypto Exchange Signature Campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5446432.0) campaign. So please add $120 more (0.00422361 BTC). It isn't 4 times?. Received payment on April 28 and started on Round 134 (April 25-May 1)on DuelBits after I checked the Spreadsheet.I am creating a flag. Type 3: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3164 Please support. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: bittraffic on May 16, 2023, 07:16:03 PM I imagine how he did it like by the time the manager is scheduled to check the post count of Duel participants, he changes his sig to Duel as well and then does the same when it's time for Better Call Raul. That's tight! This is hard to investigate. I'm speculating @shasan caught him because he catches the username @Shan85 every time on threads.
Now that someone is doing it, it's possible there are other jogglers out there. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: Little Mouse on May 16, 2023, 07:22:52 PM WTF! I never thought anyone would think of being such dishonest here. I usually check participants randomly even if it's not a pay day just to make sure everyone is active or not. Have never experienced this until now.
Received the payment from duelbit now wearing signature of BetterCaulRaul That freaked me out for a second, as a 'caul' is an anatomical term and it made me wonder what the hell that campaign is all about. Lol.Quote How did this scunt wind up wearing two signatures long enough to get paid by both campaigns? Maybe I'm missing something very obvious, but I've always understood that if you're in a campaign and change your signature even briefly, it's noted by the campaign manager....somehow. I never understood the somehow, but is that not the case? And if it were as easy as switching sigs and trying to fool managers, we'd be seeing way more of these shenanigans. When you are managing a lot of campaigns, it's not possible to check everyone every day to make sure no one is removing signatures. Shan85 took advantage of that. Managers usually check on the weekend and when one manager paid the weekly payment, Shan85 changed into another. It was supposed to be noticed earlier but it took 4 weeks almost. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: bbigtart on May 16, 2023, 07:35:14 PM I wonder how they spotted that user is wearing different signature You are wondering this is the chronology. Certainly not about merit.It just so happened that my account just went up the FM rankings and I signed up for the Duelbiet signature campaign. I was so excited that I opened Spreadsheet every hour to see if I was accepted or not. I accidentally wanted to see each FM account profile one by one, coincidentally when I opened his profile there I was surprised he didn't use the Duelbits signature but why did I get paid. Curiosity is what makes me want to know more. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: Bitcoin_Arena on May 16, 2023, 08:06:33 PM Wow, he must some greedy bastard. He has a lot of alt accounts. I have just uncovered a few.
Binance Account deposit address for payments from different campaigns and alt accounts: 1K32tibtQZpVFUJ9AZJH5Gor8a1LMxyMry (https://mempool.space/address/1K32tibtQZpVFUJ9AZJH5Gor8a1LMxyMry) Common traits: 1. The accounts sometimes post in the Pakistan local board 2. Posting style is quite similar when they try to reply to threads 3. Use on deposit address in Binance 4. Use ChatGPT to generate text. So some accounts are banned 5. Aggressively apply for different signature campaigns in a short span of time. Connection through address: 1K32tibtQZpVFUJ9AZJH5Gor8a1LMxyMry 1. Shan85 bc1qjx8ryt0jxa44k68dn3uhgpt2yhzs6rtw2cw2st ---> 1K32tibtQZpVFUJ9AZJH5Gor8a1LMxyMry https://mempool.space/tx/74133aefaa04cc2a2625af339b2ab570ffbdd10619936e07cb37408e175d1ed9 Bitcointalk Username: Shan85 SegWit BTC Address: bc1qjx8ryt0jxa44k68dn3uhgpt2yhzs6rtw2cw2st EARNED merit in the last 120 days: 106 2. Uzairjutt275 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3476466) Red tagged for bounty cheating and promoting 1xbit bc1q2x3xpx45uvslm9fhjg0emlsjk976shs8qranj9 ---> 1K32tibtQZpVFUJ9AZJH5Gor8a1LMxyMry https://mempool.space/tx/b57644da4cb75fdc9316201f98c7942fbc80014c8eab0f2e5987cdb6d34d342e Current number of post (Including this one): 449 Rank: Member Bech32 address: bc1q2x3xpx45uvslm9fhjg0emlsjk976shs8qranj9 Merit earned in the last 120 days: 20 3. jenny56 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3418512) bc1qjksglf95sunr2m2rtccj6pyqhkfxewaj7x7wkv ---> 1K32tibtQZpVFUJ9AZJH5Gor8a1LMxyMry https://mempool.space/tx/1d39511916dad7c3fa0eb89363b840e5b11fab4125be34e14f43c4a3e9e040a7 Bitcointalk Username: jenny56 Utopia Public Key: 263F0AB153FDFC78819F3C0451F0300F9AD4156DD832A66B52D5B25BF144C63D BTC Address: bc1qjksglf95sunr2m2rtccj6pyqhkfxewaj7x7wkv Message Deep Link (Chat link): https://utopia.im/d53b4431fd604e2f0261792444797aa4?tid=432859963119289941 Slot No: 77 4. BlackAdamm (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3513357) bc1qw2wuhxfjzvtg54lpe3k77x0jzw7f8snmmx3jtw ---> 1K32tibtQZpVFUJ9AZJH5Gor8a1LMxyMry https://mempool.space/tx/54e0bd931164e13b1f6a7ad10f33f0318c8bc6fead3c3020551c702465cfbee0 Your bitcointalk profile link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3513357 Your Twitter profile link: https://twitter.com/BlackAdamm0 Your Twitter audit link: http://twitteraudit.com/result/BlackAdamm0 Your Twitter followers: 3270 Your correct BTC Address: bc1qw2wuhxfjzvtg54lpe3k77x0jzw7f8snmmx3jtw 5. DainSLane (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1005212) Banned bc1qpeh4yrd9uh3j0z7qpvwx7yjga4fv5uu3khmt0y ---> 1K32tibtQZpVFUJ9AZJH5Gor8a1LMxyMry https://mempool.space/tx/c432a095d4ec42dd38e93faa8f7936852a5a884e40a615f5ed3d1aef3fd6eb12 Bitcoin profile link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1005212 Current amount of posts: 952 Earned merit in last. 120 days: 6 bech32 BTC Address for payouts: bc1qpeh4yrd9uh3j0z7qpvwx7yjga4fv5uu3khmt0y PS: I believe in the value of your project and would love to contribute my skills to support it. The Signature and Avatar are changed. Thank you for considering my application Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: coolcoinz on May 16, 2023, 08:06:35 PM WTF! I never thought anyone would think of being such dishonest here. Don't underestimate them. I've seen people kill for less. Not joking here. There's many places in many countries where you can get stabbed for less than a weekly campaign payment. He's from Pakistan. The minimum wage there is only $90 a month. He was getting $160 from one campaign, so he decided to double it by cheating and live a better life. If anybody is thinking of doing it, it's not worth it. You're going to make some money in the process, if you're lucky, but how much will it be? $100? $200? And then you'll have to make a new account because nobody is going to accept you into a campaign. It's better to build an honest presence on the forum, instead of trying to weasel your way in, to make a few dollars. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: AHOYBRAUSE on May 16, 2023, 08:43:45 PM Funny this is coming out now.
I remember some months ago I applied for the duelbits campaign. This was the first time I applied for a campaign here actually. I didn’t get the spot but this guy did. So I whined ;D in my local German board a bit how somebody like this, with all his posts coming from 2 threads and all his merit basically coming from one thread gets a spot over other applicants that would fit the criteria much better. Especially since Pakistan is a Muslim country where gamling is haram (forbidden). I was told the members get chosen carefully. Hmm….. Anyway, he took a shot at it and got caught. I am surprised he even came into 2 campaigns with this type of posting, not being spread out and all. ??? Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: macson on May 16, 2023, 08:51:09 PM Flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3163 +1 i support the Flag....Flag type 3 created by Royse777 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=366632) : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3164 anyway, i can't understand, how can that account not be honest with each campaign manager (hhampuz and Royse777), does he think he can fool everyone forever? he traded his account (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3411432) (got a red flag) with stolen money he got from duelbits campaign. members like that don't deserve to be here!! Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: aioc on May 16, 2023, 08:57:56 PM This is the first time I've seen a member wearing a double signature, it's unethical and this is abuse good that he is caught this early with so many participants attended by bounty managers it's hard to catch this type of person it's good that one of the members caught him.
Now we should be aware of this type of cheater, and we as members should help our managers by checking some of the participants if he is swapping signatures. Supported both flags. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: shasan on May 16, 2023, 09:29:16 PM Funny this is coming out now. The spot was filled based on several factors which the guy filled. But unfortunately, the guy is a badly minded person (scammer) that's why did this type of activity. The guy got the punishment and every scammer like this will learn a lesson that those who will do this will be caught and will be tagged negatively.I remember some months ago I applied for the duelbits campaign. This was the first time I applied for a campaign here actually. I didn’t get the spot but this guy did. So I whined ;D in my local German board a bit how somebody like this, with all his posts coming from 2 threads and all his merit basically coming from one thread gets a spot over other applicants that would fit the criteria much better. Especially since Pakistan is a Muslim country where gamling is haram (forbidden). I was told the members get chosen carefully. Hmm….. Anyway, he took a shot at it and got caught. I am surprised he even came into 2 campaigns with this type of posting, not being spread out and all. ??? Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: Mr.right85 on May 16, 2023, 09:52:49 PM That's a sly foxy behaviour right there. Like The Sceptical Chymist have noted; Just how did the user got to persist to persist for this long?
I take it that, the user probably was switching between signature and avatar just about enough time before post counting begins. That's some international dishonesty after being favoured amongst the multitude out here seeking campaigns and there is a rule of one campaign per account yet, here is a user switching between 2 campaigns and getting double pay for a single week's job. At least, the user ought to have considered the many out here looking out for a campaign to work with and the campaign itself whom are putting out some good money for its promotion to ensure the work is been done properly. Nope, that wasn't okay! Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on May 16, 2023, 11:31:56 PM That freaked me out for a second, as a 'caul' is an anatomical term and it made me wonder what the hell that campaign is all about. Lol. That's a kind of instant exchange.Anyway, I guess I made a bad assumption once again. I always thought campaign managers used some kind of bot to make sure that participants never changed their signature. So it would have been possible for someone in the Chipmixer campaign, for example, to change what was in their sig space for a time as long as nobody noticed? Wow. I've had the aforementioned assumption in my head for years. Don't underestimate them. I've seen people kill for less. Not joking here. There's many places in many countries where you can get stabbed for less than a weekly campaign payment. That's definitely a good point, and I've long realized what you said about campaign earnings being so much higher than job wages in countries like Pakistan. It's probably the main reason why so many people from countries with shit wages come here to earn money. Aaaaand problems arise....everything from posts in incomprehensible English to cheaters to pretty much anything shady you can imagine. Crazy.Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: usekevin on May 16, 2023, 11:47:42 PM Don't underestimate them. I've seen people kill for less. Not joking here. There's many places in many countries where you can get stabbed for less than a weekly campaign payment. He's from Pakistan. The minimum wage there is only $90 a month. He was getting $160 from one campaign, so he decided to double it by cheating and live a better life. Since the Pakistan is the developing country,the minimum wage will be 90$ per month.But to live the better life,he should not work against ethics.He had get the free money from the two different campaign and wicked two reputable managers here.All his altaccount should be found and red tagged.So that other people will not try like this. If anybody is thinking of doing it, it's not worth it. You're going to make some money in the process, if you're lucky, but how much will it be? $100? $200? And then you'll have to make a new account because nobody is going to accept you into a campaign. It's better to build an honest presence on the forum, instead of trying to weasel your way in, to make a few dollars. Earning dollars against ethics is not a good one.Shan85 should feel shame on this act.Instead of making money by this way,he can earn some from forum and some from real job.He also misused the chance of many participants who had good posts and no chance to join the campaign.The amount of dollar he had scammed is not a matter,because even 10 dollars scam is a scam. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: nutildah on May 17, 2023, 01:52:57 AM Wow, he must some greedy bastard. He has a lot of alt accounts. I have just uncovered a few. Here's some connections on the ETH side of things. Shan85 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3411432) (2) #Proof of Authentication Bitcointalk username: Shan85 Bitcointalk URL link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3411432 Telegram Username: @Shan2750 Participated Compaign: Content Creations Compaign ERC-20 Wallet: 0x0c38Da1fECDC144bE9E353CfbF125aA934d9da37 Uzairmotti11 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2856508) Compaign: Twitter, Instagram Spreadsheet: Twitter no: 288 Instagram no: 100 Matic address: 0xe1c4eF1474f05fCb77266BA68f879E677Cb55Eb8 catooo (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3490256) Proof of Registration Bitcointalk username: catooo Bitcointalk Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3490256 Participated Compaign: Video, Article, Twitter, Facebook Telegram username: @cutecatooo BSC wallet address: 0x5d5e26F28B9fDFFbe4E3d26CB681d30F3548030F BlackAdamm (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3513357) Proof of authentication Bitcointalk username: BlackAdamm Bitcointalk Profile link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3513357 Telegram username: @BlackAdamm0 Participated Compaign: Twitter, Facebook, linkedin, Article, Video BSC wallet address: 0xCb55c62d853765B122f33C28312E6432aaD6179B Uzairjutt275 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3476466) #PROOF OF AUTHENTICATION Forum Username: Uzairjutt275 Forum Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3476466 Participated Campaigns: Signature BEP-20 Wallet Address: 0x44E65103E0a499350533D8Ec9D46EC5e0569273c Shared Binance deposit address (https://bscscan.com/address/0x4c3f387b296dd848811085d9fd53c32ea8d50ee3#tokentxns): https://i.ibb.co/G3g4dML/image.png Further connection: Shan85 #Proof of Authentication Post Bitcointalk Username: Shan85 Bitcointalk Profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3411432 Telegram Username: @Shan2750 Campaign Category Participated: Content Creation BSC Wallet Address: 0x0c38Da1fECDC144bE9E353CfbF125aA934d9da37 Sent to intermediary address (https://bscscan.com/address/0x8dadcce93f5b208088e9914b17f67a3b5082f746): https://i.ibb.co/MRFf6j0/image.png Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: UchihaSarada on May 17, 2023, 02:19:58 AM Average income around the world (https://www.worlddata.info/average-income.php). In Pakistan, it is about $1,470 annual or $123 monthly.
Cheating two campaigns brings a monthly salary that is doubled than Pakistanis average income monthly. Is there a place in the world you could live like a king via sig campaigns? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5390048.0) Signature campaign: The lowest and highest payment BTC and USD in 2013-2022 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5403191.msg60395332#msg60395332) Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: rby on May 17, 2023, 03:10:10 AM Really a good work by @bbigtart (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5280190.msg62253554#msg62253554). The irony of the matter is that even the bbigtart (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5280190.msg62253554#msg62253554) haven't received any merits for the scam catch at Duelbits thread, rather the merits all came to this thread. I wouldn't care if the user uncovered this scam because of merits but he did great. It could be that both Hhampuz and Royse777 had already sent their weekly pay to the cheat. If not, I would recommend that either of them employ the method of icopress by giving the week's pay to the scam buster. I wonder how they spotted that user is wearing different signature, hopefully they might be checking each and every user's sig on duelbit campaign sheet; but why? for merits? IMO definitely they deserve much appreciations. I have never heard of this kind of scam. Is it a new trend coming into the signature campaign? I also understand that signature changes almost immediately it is updated, but avatar takes sometime before it updates, so this cheat should have been caught earlier. Now, attention is dragged to this kind of scam, I wouldn't be surprised if more cheats are discovered. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: Despairo on May 17, 2023, 03:28:47 AM The irony of the matter is that even the bbigtart (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5280190.msg62253554#msg62253554) haven't received any merits for the scam catch at Duelbits thread, rather the merits all came to this thread. I've merited him for you ;)Quote I have never heard of this kind of scam. Is it a new trend coming into the signature campaign? I guess yes because I've active in this forum for a year and never saw this cheat before.I also understand that signature changes almost immediately it is updated, but avatar takes sometime before it updates, so this cheat should have been caught earlier. Now, attention is dragged to this kind of scam, I wouldn't be surprised if more cheats are discovered. I think this is because of the private spreadsheet usage, we're not a BetterCallRaul participants, so we don't have any clue who are the active participants. It's true the campaign manager will let know the removed/left participants and the new accepted participants, but it's not convenient to browse each post rather than give it into one list. If it's about privacy matter, I don't think it's harm for just show the active participants, he can remove the address etc. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: Poker Player on May 17, 2023, 03:32:20 AM Good job Bitcoin_Arena and nutildah.
I have tagged the alts I have seen that had only one negative tag and there was even one that only had a neutral tag by JG. Mostly because maybe with only one negative tag the managers might let it pass but being the tag for this they shouldn't if they check the reference. Will there ever be a time when we see cases like these but without breaking the rules? Okay, he's from Pakistan and what you get paid here for signature campaigns is a lot of money. But you can do things legally, asshole. You can have several alts in several campaigns getting paid without breaking the rules and you will be rich in your country by writing in a fucking internet forum. The irony of the matter is that even the bbigtart (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5280190.msg62253554#msg62253554) haven't received any merits for the scam catch at Duelbits thread, rather the merits all came to this thread. I've merited him for you ;)Me too. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: rby on May 17, 2023, 03:50:23 AM The irony of the matter is that even the bbigtart (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5280190.msg62253554#msg62253554) haven't received any merits for the scam catch at Duelbits thread, rather the merits all came to this thread. I've merited him for you ;)I think this is because of the private spreadsheet usage, we're not a BetterCallRaul participants, so we don't have any clue who are the active participants. It's true the campaign manager will let know the removed/left participants and the new accepted participants, but it's not convenient to browse each post rather than give it into one list. If it's about privacy matter, I don't think it's harm for just show the active participants, he can remove the address etc. I trust Royse777 innovation prowess in campaign management but I am yet to figure out why he implemented this private spreadsheet method. Some cheating alts are being bursted with address connections, but if these addresses are semi accessible, it might shield a cheat for some period of time. Good job Bitcoin_Arena and nutildah. Can you link me to this user's alt? let me add to it.I have tagged the alts I have seen that had only one negative tag and there was even one that only had a neutral tag by JG. Mostly because maybe with only one negative tag the managers might let it pass but being the tag for this they shouldn't if they check the reference. Edit: I have figured out. Catooo and Jenny56 Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: robelneo on May 17, 2023, 04:49:55 AM Really a good work by @bbigtart (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5280190.msg62253554#msg62253554). The irony of the matter is that even the bbigtart (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5280190.msg62253554#msg62253554) haven't received any merits for the scam catch at Duelbits thread, rather the merits all came to this thread. I wouldn't care if the user uncovered this scam because of merits but he did great. It could be that both Hhampuz and Royse777 had already sent their weekly pay to the cheat. If not, I would recommend that either of them employ the method of icopress by giving the week's pay to the scam buster. I wonder how they spotted that user is wearing different signature, hopefully they might be checking each and every user's sig on duelbit campaign sheet; but why? for merits? IMO definitely they deserve much appreciations. I don't have merits to give anymore but I left him positive feedback, it's a great job we are concentrating on our discussion that we are not aware of this, this is the first time I read something like this, we must all be vigilant to catch cheaters from now on and help our bounty managers, managers job is not that easy bbigtart is the first to catch a cheater like this, and the cheater is very innovative to think something like this. Some members will try to do this, maybe in the altcoin bounty campaign we don't know but we should be aware of this now. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: Helena Yu on May 17, 2023, 05:22:05 AM I don't have merits to give anymore but I left him positive feedback I suggest you to reconsider your feedback, I would say neutral feedback is more appropriate in this case. I'm not saying he's bad, but catching one cheater is still not deserved to be trusted.Ask yourself, can a 5 months user who's doesn't have any financial deal can be trusted? feel free to disagree if you think I'm wrong. Quote Some members will try to do this, maybe in the altcoin bounty campaign we don't know but we should be aware of this now. Altcoins bounty campaign already messed up and some managers are still accept negative trust accounts, not really worth to catch a cheater in bounty section.Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: rby on May 17, 2023, 06:07:53 AM I don't have merits to give anymore but I left him positive feedback I suggest you to reconsider your feedback, I would say neutral feedback is more appropriate in this case. I'm not saying he's bad, but catching one cheater is still not deserved to be trusted.Ask yourself, can a 5 months user who's doesn't have any financial deal can be trusted? feel free to disagree if you think I'm wrong. Does s/he need to catch all the cheaters in this forum before he could be trusted, if catching one cheater is not enough. Quote Ask yourself, can a 5 months user who's doesn't have any financial deal can be trusted? Trust has nothing to do with how long the person exists in the forum. I will give you two instances;
How about if s/he messaged the cheat and asked them to share their rewards with him/her else they would be exposed. Don't you think that the cheat would have complied and the cheating will continue? Looking at it from the forum way, there is a difference between positive trust and including someone in the trust list. The scam burster might not qualify for the later, but he is qualified for the former if not both. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: Helena Yu on May 17, 2023, 06:28:55 AM Does s/he need to catch all the cheaters in this forum before he could be trusted, if catching one cheater is not enough. What if I've done catch a cheater? will I get a positive feedback too? that's so easy and someone can taking advantage for asking non collateral loan because he already get a positive feedback which could be trusted.Quote Trust has nothing to do with how long the person exists in the forum. I will give you two instances; The first case is related with financial deal, so there's nothing to do with how long he need to be in this forum.
The second case it's correct, but how many cases a low rank/short time accounts turn become scam with high rank/long time accounts turn become scam? Catching a cheater is good and it's one of his contribution to this forum, but some users are taking advantage about it. That's why, if you want to trust a scam buster, someone need to reconsider how long he has been in this forum and how long he put his dedication for this. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: ScamViruS on May 17, 2023, 06:29:21 AM It is shameful and sad that someone has taken such steps to cheat signature campaigns to earn double. But he was caught before he could take his activities far. After watching the activity of this user, it has now alerted the managers that there are also such signature campaign participants who can cheat with two campaigns at the same time with one account.
Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: Xal0lex on May 17, 2023, 06:54:48 AM ...from posts in incomprehensible English... It's not incomprehensible English :) It is Urdu written in transliteration. Yes, it is very difficult to understand and translate. Unless, of course, you are a native Urdu speaker. Only an Urdu speaker can translate this text. No online translator can understand this text. You have to have a native speaker you know to translate this style of writing. By the way, in the Pakistani thread, another user (ItsCrafty (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5447426.msg62249276#msg62249276)) was recently dismissed from the campaign for plagiarism. He participated in the [banned mixer] campaign run by icopress. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: Fiatless on May 17, 2023, 07:04:54 AM Average income around the world (https://www.worlddata.info/average-income.php). In Pakistan, it is about $1,470 annual or $123 monthly. I feel uncomfortable when people link crime with poverty. Hunger can indeed cause someone to engage in criminal activity but it is not an excuse. Everybody has other options to make money at least to feed. His problem was not poverty or the average income from Pakistan, he was just greedy. He can live a moderate life in Pakistan with what he earns but he chose to steal because he wants more. Some members will never engage in such shameful acts even if they are in deep poverty. What he did was shameful and has brought a bad name to his country but I know some wonderful Pakistanis that will even refund funds wrongly sent to them. Cheating two campaigns brings a monthly salary that is doubled than Pakistanis' average income monthly. Is there a place in the world you could lwhen poel ive like a king via sig campaigns? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5390048.0) Signature campaign: The lowest and highest payment BTC and USD in 2013-2022 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5403191.msg60395332#msg60395332) Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: nutildah on May 17, 2023, 07:13:51 AM ...from posts in incomprehensible English... It's not incomprehensible English :) It is Urdu written in transliteration. Yes, it is very difficult to understand and translate. Unless, of course, you are a native Urdu speaker. Only an Urdu speaker can translate this text. No online translator can understand this text. You have to have a native speaker you know to translate this style of writing. That's not what he's talking about -- he's talking about shitposts written by those with a negligible grasp of the English language. Peeps can shitpost in their native language all day long and I would never say anything about it because its confined to their local boards. Low-effort posts written in any other area by those with very little understanding of the English language are the worst. If non-English speakers are trying to make an effort to convey something intelligent, that's a whole nother story, and I have respect for that. But if you have half a dozen accounts like our friend Shan85 here chances are you're just trying to skeet out the bare minimum without getting fired from your campaign(s). Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: FatFork on May 17, 2023, 07:38:46 AM Wow, he must some greedy bastard. He has a lot of alt accounts. I have just uncovered a few. Here's some connections on the ETH side of things. Why am I not surprised. Cheater uses alt accounts to cheat in bounty campaigns. What a cliché! Here's another one: #PROOF OF REGISTRATION [archive (https://ninjastic.space/post/58644663)]Forum Username: Shan85 Forum Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3411432 Telegram Username: @Shan27585 Participated Campaigns: Twitter, Instagram, Facebook and Article BSC Wallet Address: 0xF8372702158E4436409370217B7631aFcb0BC8c8 #PROOF OF REGISTRATION [archive (https://ninjastic.space/post/58648841)]Forum Username: Shan85 Forum Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3411432 Telegram Username: @Shan27585 Participated Campaigns: Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, Eaddit, Discord and Article BSC Wallet Address: 0xF8372702158E4436409370217B7631aFcb0BC8c8 They both applied to the Coindogs Bounty campaign with the same details, but Zeshan275 posted first. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: hugeblack on May 17, 2023, 08:49:36 AM It's very unfortunate but such an obvious case it falls to the campaign manager, they're being paid to prevent such basic scam which includes verifying that the user is wearing the signature.
Therefore, @Hhampuz and @Royse777 must compensate the company for the past weeks or at least pay to developer (out of their own money) to create a bot to verify that users in the campaign do not modify them signature during the campaign period, any modification will be sent to the campaign manager. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: Plaguedeath on May 17, 2023, 09:06:12 AM Therefore, @Hhampuz and @Royse777 must compensate the company for the past weeks or at least pay to developer (out of their own money) to create a bot to verify that users in the campaign do not modify them signature during the campaign period, any modification will be sent to the campaign manager. What? ;DThere's no obligation for both of them to compensate the company for the past weeks, they're not have any intention to scam the company and Shan85 isn't their alt accounts. I also don't think they need to pay a developer to create a script or adds on to monitor their campaign participants. I think if someone want to move to other campaign, he need to let know the campaign manager by notifying through the previous campaign thread, so the campaign manager will remove his name. But this forum have a lot members, I believe with so many eyes, this case would have very low chance to happen again. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: rby on May 17, 2023, 09:51:34 AM Does s/he need to catch all the cheaters in this forum before he could be trusted, if catching one cheater is not enough. What if I've done catch a cheater? will I get a positive feedback too? that's so easy and someone can taking advantage for asking non collateral loan because he already get a positive feedback which could be trusted.If you do a reasonable catch like this, other than connecting newbies (zero merit) with alts in different bounties, you can get a positive feedback. Therefore, @Hhampuz and @Royse777 must compensate the company for the past weeks Maybe 50% compensation ;D However, the cheater didn't just pocket such bucks, but s/he also made complete posts required per week. The problem is that he was constantly switching signature. So he actually promoted the two companies but in a dubious way. Maybe he wore the BetterCallRaul signature more than the Duelbits because Duelbits employs about 112 participants which would make it difficult for Hhampuz to notice, unlike BetterCallRaul which is less than 20 participants. This is also the reason he was bursted in Duelbits thread, wearing BetterCallRaul signature. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: T3PR00T on May 17, 2023, 10:04:47 AM Does s/he need to catch all the cheaters in this forum before he could be trusted, if catching one cheater is not enough. What if I've done catch a cheater? will I get a positive feedback too? that's so easy and someone can taking advantage for asking non collateral loan because he already get a positive feedback which could be trusted.If you do a reasonable catch like this, other than connecting newbies (zero merit) with alts in different bounties, you can get a positive feedback. Just because one good work that happened out of no where, we should not start leaving feedback no matter that is from a DT or none DT member. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: Bureau on May 17, 2023, 11:01:02 AM It's very unfortunate but such an obvious case it falls to the campaign manager, they're being paid to prevent such basic scam which includes verifying that the user is wearing the signature. Therefore, @Hhampuz and @Royse777 must compensate the company for the past weeks or at least pay to developer (out of their own money) to create a bot to verify that users in the campaign do not modify them signature during the campaign period, any modification will be sent to the campaign manager. It is indeed an unfortunate incident! Compensating the company is their sole decision. To prevent the selection of such unethical members, they both need to re-evaluate their current onboarding process Both of them have a good reputation and big client base. Anymore incident like this one in the future will hamper their reputation as BM. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: FatFork on May 17, 2023, 11:05:01 AM Although everyone has their own understanding of sending feedback, including/excluding anyone on their trust list but I think we all need to be more careful when leaving any feedback to anyone. You've got a point there. Providing feedback, whether positive or negative, should be done with care and supported by evidence and references. However, trust is a subjective thing. What I find to be trustworthy might not be the same for you, and the opposite could be true as well. It's up to you to decide whose feedback you value and whose you take with a grain of salt, and adjust your trust list accordingly. Just because one good work that happened out of no where, we should not start leaving feedback no matter that is from a DT or none DT member. Why not? theymos [Trust summary (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=35)] has done this on more than one occasion. How many "good deeds" do you think someone needs to make before they earn positive feedback and trust from someone? No. Each individual's feedback should be evaluated on its own merit, based on the evidence and context provided, regardless of their status within the forum. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: Aanuoluwatofunmi on May 17, 2023, 11:14:12 AM Really a good work by @bbigtart (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5280190.msg62253554#msg62253554). I wonder how they spotted that user is wearing different signature, hopefully they might be checking each and every user's sig on duelbit campaign sheet; but why? for merits? IMO definitely they deserve much appreciations. The whole days may be for the thief but one day is for the owner to caught him up, but i still wonder what such an individual is upto for doing such, changing of signature codes and avatar every week, what a deceptive attempt, reading the rules is one of the foremost steps to take before engaging on application while some dont even read them at all, bit in this case, he knows about the rules and intentionally take such decision to cheat on the campaigns he participate on. He received 3 weeks payment If your campaign sheet is visible like most other campaigns, probably Sherlock Holmes of this community might have caught this scammer earlier.These kind of people are the ones that constitute the scam we've been seing ongoing on different platforms, he such user have the opportunity to scam a casino or campaign manager he will. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: UserU on May 17, 2023, 01:59:57 PM I guess yes because I've active in this forum for a year and never saw this cheat before. It's not a new occurrence actually, just that this case managed to fall between the cracks since the payout days for both campaigns are different so the cheater could switch between Duelbits (Tuesday) and BCR (Thursday) With so many members to handle, campaign managers might find it difficult if a member makes the switch before the tally. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: darkangel11 on May 17, 2023, 02:38:46 PM It's very unfortunate but such an obvious case it falls to the campaign manager, they're being paid to prevent such basic scam which includes verifying that the user is wearing the signature. Therefore, @Hhampuz and @Royse777 must compensate the company for the past weeks or at least pay to developer (out of their own money) to create a bot to verify that users in the campaign do not modify them signature during the campaign period, any modification will be sent to the campaign manager. It depends how you approach this. What would you say if you were paid to hire people to hand out leaflets every day for a week, and one of the guys would take leaflets from you every day in the morning, hand them out for an hour or 2 and then throw the rest into the bin and go home? Should you be responsible to the company for what happened? Should you stand there and watch the leaflets being distributed every single day for 8 hours? Managers are there to hire people, prepare signatures, count their posts and distribute payments. They aren't all seeing gods that cannot be cheated and they cannot be there reading people's posts as they make them. Anyway, I guess I made a bad assumption once again. I always thought campaign managers used some kind of bot to make sure that participants never changed their signature. So it would have been possible for someone in the Chipmixer campaign, for example, to change what was in their sig space for a time as long as nobody noticed? Wow. I've had the aforementioned assumption in my head for years. That was the case in campaigns run through automated software. Maybe you remember the old bitmixer campaign run by Lauda, or the yobit campaign that required you to connect your exchange account with your bitcointalk profile ID. If I'm correct, these were actively monitoring if you had a signature. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: SamReomo on May 17, 2023, 04:02:34 PM How could someone be so selfish to scam the ones who provide him such great opportunities. The guy thought that he could multiply his income by cheating campaign managers. I don't know that how people can play with someone's trust in that way. The campaign managers of our forum are highly competent and they choose the applicants fairly and still such people take advantage of their kind nature. The guy has lost his own respect and the opportunity that was given to him by the respected campaign managers.
The greed is the main cause of destruction and anyone who follows the path of greed will lose everything. If he would do his work fairly and had controlled his greedy and scamming nature then he would still be earning a substantial income from this forum. His greed blinded him so badly that he took advantage of those who gave him the opportunity. Those who give you the opportunity to earn money by fair means with your hard work are the most respect worthy people. Taking advantage of such people is totally a inhumane act, and only those with animal instincts could do such things. In our forum the mangers choose the applicants fairly and allow them to earn a good enough income for their work but still people are so mean. I don't think that there is any fault of the campaign managers, they have been playing their roles very well. I think it's a lesson for us to learn that some people who have scamming mindsets can go to these extremes without any worries. Both campaign mangers are professional at their work and have been managing many good campaigns successfully. Everyone should support our campaign managers in such times because they are truly doing a great job for the forum. Thumbs up for Royse and Hhampuz for figuring out such a scam! Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: boyptc on May 17, 2023, 04:54:18 PM While many are struggling in getting accepted in any campaign for which BCR and Duelbits are great campaigns, shan did wasted the opportunity that was given to him by these two great managers and as well as companies.
With so many members to handle, campaign managers might find it difficult if a member makes the switch before the tally. AFAIK, they do some random checking for all of the participants. But then shan took advantage of it and he thought that no one will notice it but bbigtart seen it.Thumbs up for Royse and Hhampuz for figuring out such a scam! It was figured out by bbigtart and then Royse and Hhampuz responded quickly --> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5280190.msg62253554#msg62253554Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: rat03gopoh on May 17, 2023, 05:11:54 PM I guess yes because I've active in this forum for a year and never saw this cheat before. This is new case for bitcoin paid campaign category. In the past I may encounter this kind of underhanded behavior in the token paid bounty category, especially if the manager accepts excessive participant capacity.And I think that this time greed really overshadowed stupidity. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: SamReomo on May 17, 2023, 05:26:43 PM It was figured out by bbigtart and then Royse and Hhampuz responded quickly --> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5280190.msg62253554#msg62253554 In that case thumbs up for bbigtart as well for supporting our campaign managers by reporting the scamming activity of that user. I would still say thumbs up for Royse and Hhampuz for tackling such situation during their management job. Even if bbigtart reported that to the managers and that was a really good step by a responsible member, but the managers also took action against the culprit as soon as they possibly could. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: dkbit98 on May 17, 2023, 07:17:04 PM LoL
I can understand people are poor and they need money, but I will never understand someone who is cheating and doing stupid stuff like this. Did anyone saw latest post from Shan85 in Pakistan board? I will just post it with a title in English since rest of the text is written in his native language. Use translation for rest of his post or ask someone from Pakistan to help you... Reply to illegally allegations ... Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: Crypto Library on May 17, 2023, 07:51:07 PM ~snip~ Well done buddy!! And that's why its says, "Ten days of a thief, one day of a householder." Hope he's already got the extreme lessons, already his profile is full of red lights and flags. I actually doubt whether he was actually the owner of the account because no wise full member would do this. I actually think the account was sold to a fool and who is full of greed. Shan85 bro you loose lost of opportunity Such behavior is not expected from a full member. You really should have been careful earlier, many people have done this kind of behavior before and they were red-tagged for it too now you lose both the mango and the sack. How could someone be so selfish to scam the ones who provide him such great opportunities. I wouldn't actually call him selfish people, he is actually a stupid person. Otherwise, he would not have slaughtered the hen that laid the golden egg like this. I really don't understand how this stupid person survived two campaigns so well where already so much competition. From this we should understand that we should never be greedy, sin is death by sin And "sin does not leave the father". Now again claiming that he has been illegally alleged I think to give another example of his stupidity where all the evidence are lighted like a day he is again claiming that this allegation is illegal. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: SatoPrincess on May 17, 2023, 09:16:47 PM This is a whole new level of greed. I think this is the first time such a case has come up, this user definitely deserves a red tag and should be made an example of because he actually obtained bitcoins from the two campaigns by false pretense. What is more surprising is how he managed to stay this long without getting caught. I always assumed that CMs have a bot that notifies them if a participant changes or modifies their signature during the week but it seems that’s not the case.
Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: Agbe on May 17, 2023, 09:47:33 PM But wait oo! Is it possible for a user to wear two signature at the time? Because I only know one signature box in the user profile so how come people are using two signature at the same time. And also the guy did not tried at all. Upon all the warnings from the campaign managers that no participant should wear another campaign signature while in the campaign. And yet some of the participants are still violating that important rule, it's like they think the managers would not find out, this is wrong. What a greedy world. Omo!!! The red tags are much for the guy head. The guy has really committed a crime in the forum. Before a users got 11 reg tags, he has done what is not nice in the forum.
Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: bbigtart on May 17, 2023, 10:24:54 PM This is really an amazing and disgusting scam by cheating Royse777 and Hhampuz he is running two signature campaigns at once and getting paid double. Indeed a user like Shan85 doesn't deserve to be in this forum, he has really ruined the trust Royse and Hhampuz have placed in him. I honestly feel proud after catching the first scam like this. and it turns out that after being traced again he has many accounts, he is really greedy.
Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: coin-investor on May 17, 2023, 10:58:47 PM This is really an amazing and disgusting scam by cheating Royse777 and Hhampuz he is running two signature campaigns at once and getting paid double. Indeed a user like Shan85 doesn't deserve to be in this forum, he has really ruined the trust Royse and Hhampuz have placed in him. I honestly feel proud after catching the first scam like this. and it turns out that after being traced again he has many accounts, he is really greedy. It happens because those campaigns have different days to count the posts of the participants, so he exploits it, bounty managers' jobs are not really that easy they cannot monitor every participant they concentrated on participants' posts and level of participation in discussions, hats off to you for having a quick eye and details the cheater is a new participant so we're familiar to his profile. I have some members who have been on campaigns for so many months and years that I became familiar with the signature that they are wearing. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: PX-Z on May 17, 2023, 11:06:56 PM But wait oo! Is it possible for a user to wear two signature at the time? Because I only know one signature box in the user profile so how come people are using two signature at the same time. And also the guy did not tried at all. Simply the user changed the signature when it's the payment day or the day before payment day to fool the managers when counting of posts starts. And he did it for few rounds/weeks without people and the manager noticing, until someone noticed and now, congrats to him/her.Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: ultrloa on May 17, 2023, 11:59:06 PM This is really an amazing and disgusting scam by cheating Royse777 and Hhampuz he is running two signature campaigns at once and getting paid double. Indeed a user like Shan85 doesn't deserve to be in this forum, he has really ruined the trust Royse and Hhampuz have placed in him. I honestly feel proud after catching the first scam like this. and it turns out that after being traced again he has many accounts, he is really greedy. It happens because those campaigns have different days to count the posts of the participants, so he exploits it, bounty managers' jobs are not really that easy they cannot monitor every participant they concentrated on participants' posts and level of participation in discussions, hats off to you for having a quick eye and details the cheater is a new participant so we're familiar to his profile. I have some members who have been on campaigns for so many months and years that I became familiar with the signature that they are wearing. He take advantage on situation on where campaign managers has a lot of work so since this issue exist where a user cheat on two campaigns maybe this will be a great call to all campaign managers to frequently check their participants so that they will not be cheated as well as the same issues will be avoided to happen in future. This is the first time I see this issue and Shan85 has strong balls to do this crazy action. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: Josefjix on May 18, 2023, 11:05:35 AM I guess yes because I've active in this forum for a year and never saw this cheat before. It's not a new occurrence actually, just that this case managed to fall between the cracks since the payout days for both campaigns are different so the cheater could switch between Duelbits (Tuesday) and BCR (Thursday) With so many members to handle, campaign managers might find it difficult if a member makes the switch before the tally. It was also difficult for any forum members to notice because he was not a reputable member and posted more frequently in his local board, and it appears that he was only making the switch once a week, Bettercaulraul is his main sig and avatar and was only switching to Duebits a few minutes later before post counts and switching it back immediately because Duebits participants are simply too numerous in numbers. He take advantage on situation on where campaign managers has a lot of work so since this issue exist where a user cheat on two campaigns maybe this will be a great call to all campaign managers to frequently check their participants so that they will not be cheated as well as the same issues will be avoided to happen in future. This is the first time I see this issue and Shan85 has strong balls to do this crazy action. Managers are not going to babysit 100+ participants daily just because some assholes want to cheat. there is always a pay day for everyone Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: Apocollapse on May 18, 2023, 01:35:24 PM It was also difficult for any forum members to notice because he was not a reputable member and posted more frequently in his local board, and it appears that he was only making the switch once a week, Bettercaulraul is his main sig and avatar and was only switching to Duebits a few minutes later before post counts and switching it back immediately because Duebits participants are simply too numerous in numbers. Your opinion raise an interesting question here, since Shan85 is active in his local board, how can the other users who are active in his local board doesn't realized if Shan85 is participating BetterCallRaul campaign? I think when we're active posting in a same thread, we will be more familiar with other users.Although all active users in Pakistan board shouldn't be blamed, but I think it's quite suspicious. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: examplens on May 18, 2023, 03:11:03 PM It's not incomprehensible English :) It is Urdu written in transliteration. Yes, it is very difficult to understand and translate. Unless, of course, you are a native Urdu speaker. Only an Urdu speaker can translate this text. No online translator can understand this text. You have to have a native speaker you know to translate this style of writing. By the way, in the Pakistani thread, another user (ItsCrafty (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5447426.msg62249276#msg62249276)) was recently dismissed from the campaign for plagiarism. He participated in the [banned mixer] campaign run by icopress. Is there any chance you could translate his last post for us? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=232519.msg62258450#msg62258450 It seems as if he is claiming that these are false accusations, obviously, he doesn't understand English well, and maybe that's why he doesn't write here. Xal0lex, I see you are a moderator, don't you have some educational topics on the Pakistan board about some basics and norms of behaviour here on the forum? Considering two very bad cases of breaking the rules in the last period. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: elevates on May 18, 2023, 03:33:31 PM I am very much concerned on how is it possible for anyone to scam those who are giving for a side hustle opportunity? I hope the BMs are now working to stop such scammers. I would believe that they have taken proper measures to avoid such scams and fraudulent activities.
This individual.being part of the Pakistani board should be a concern. Before him a user from the same board is removed for plagiarism. Such issues are gaining an upward movement from that region. It would be wise if both the named BMs rethink on their hiring structure. I am not blaming everyone from that board but I believe such scams need poper introspection and filtering. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: Xal0lex on May 18, 2023, 04:07:37 PM Is there any chance you could translate his last post for us? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=232519.msg62258450#msg62258450 This is a translation of the above post. It may not be perfect English, but have to consider the peculiarities of Urdu and the difficulty of translating from this style of writing. Reply to illegally allegations Assalamualaikum, my dear respected brothers, I am aware that everyone wants to talk about me, but the truth is no one knows the reality. You are all my seniors, and I trust that you will keep the respect in your hearts for me throughout my life. Whether someone speaks ill of me or praises me, I am not affected because in one person, there are 100 good qualities and 1 bad quality. People tend to focus on the negative. I don't care about what others think of me; I only remember the kindness and compassion of all my brothers. It doesn't matter to me if someone speaks badly about me, as I won't lose anything. If a person is 99% good and 1% bad, people only focus on the bad. I am going through difficult times, and instead of motivating me, everyone is demotivating me. I am worried about this, as it has caused a significant loss for me. I am not saying that someone should motivate me, but they should also not investigate. Because I know my current situation and my Lord knows it too. I am very hurt by the fact that if someone had seen me struggling, why didn't they guide me? The first campaign I did was without knowledge of this matter. If I had any greed in my heart, I wouldn't have shared this, but the close ones knew about it. I shared it with Gladitorcomeback and Zain Bhai. I also talked to a senior about it, that I didn't receive the payment for 2 weeks. I had done the work properly, as you can see in my posts, but I didn't receive the payment. So, I applied on Duelbits and got accepted. Then someone reported it and created threads about it. Now, I will address the truth there as well. But I am saddened that my own community is not standing with me. I removed the request text from the Pakistan local board immediately to protect my community. My community is dearer to me than my own life, but no one motivated me on this matter. Every person makes mistakes, and no one is perfect. But no one here is an angel. May Allah bring justice to my case. ThemePen brother, you are saying that I managed the merit myself. I worked hard and created posts with accurate information, but no one supported me. What else could I have done? And ThemePen brother, if you knew about changing the signature, why didn't you guide me? The matter of reputation is dearer to me than anything else. Please remember, if one person's reputation is tarnished, it affects the entire community. You all are damaging your own reputations. Instead of blaming me, ask for the truth. Thank you. Xal0lex, I see you are a moderator, don't you have some educational topics on the Pakistan board about some basics and norms of behaviour here on the forum? Considering two very bad cases of breaking the rules in the last period. You're so fast ;D I became a moderator of this section only ten days ago ;) Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: SatoPrincess on May 18, 2023, 04:28:29 PM I guess yes because I've active in this forum for a year and never saw this cheat before. It's not a new occurrence actually, just that this case managed to fall between the cracks since the payout days for both campaigns are different so the cheater could switch between Duelbits (Tuesday) and BCR (Thursday) With so many members to handle, campaign managers might find it difficult if a member makes the switch before the tally. I don’t think this happened as a result of the number of campaign participants, I think this case flew under the radar for so long because of his posting habit, the account mostly made posts in gambling board and Pakistani local board making it difficult for the community to notice the frequent changes in avatar and signature code. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: Eh Moo Nah on May 18, 2023, 05:08:38 PM This should be considered as an "observed Opportunity" for Campaign Managers.
It is not a valid Reason that Managers are busy and are just checking the Post of Participants by the End of week campaign? and don't they have assistants to do this? (If you are looking for an Assistant - count me IN :D, I'm an Analyst in a Different Industry. ) also. Is there a way that a Manager will be notified as soon as a Participant of the campaign removes the signature even just for a second? Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: Josefjix on May 18, 2023, 05:29:07 PM It was also difficult for any forum members to notice because he was not a reputable member and posted more frequently in his local board, and it appears that he was only making the switch once a week, Bettercaulraul is his main sig and avatar and was only switching to Duebits a few minutes later before post counts and switching it back immediately because Duebits participants are simply too numerous in numbers. Your opinion raise an interesting question here, since Shan85 is active in his local board, how can the other users who are active in his local board doesn't realized if Shan85 is participating BetterCallRaul campaign? I think when we're active posting in a same thread, we will be more familiar with other users.Although all active users in Pakistan board shouldn't be blamed, but I think it's quite suspicious. He was very clever with his sig heist; Duelbits payments were on Tuesdays, so most of the time he finished his post early on Mondays, changed his sig and avatar to Duebits before the cut-off time, logged off until payment was made, and then logged back in late Tuesday with BettercaulRaul sig and avatar. Who knows, but we can't blame an entire community for the actions of one bad apple. I'm sure his not the only one doing it, there may be others doing the same sig heist as well. He applied for Coinomize few weeks ago the $80 he was earning from Duebits and Raul was not enough so he wanted another $42 from Coinomize Bitcointalk Username: Shan85 SegWit BTC Address: bc1qjx8ryt0jxa44k68dn3uhgpt2yhzs6rtw2cw2st EARNED merit in the last 120 days: 106 Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: rby on May 18, 2023, 07:51:58 PM Reply to illegally allegations And ThemePen brother, if you knew about changing the signature, why didn't you guide me? The matter of reputation is dearer to me than anything else. Please remember, if one person's reputation is tarnished, it affects the entire community. You all are damaging your own reputations. Instead of blaming me, ask for the truth. Thank you. You grew from brand new to full member and Has promoted a couple of campaigns and yet you haven't read campaign rules. Infact, all the campaigns in this forum has the rule of not adding anything to signature and not removing signature and avatar during campaign period. Even without rules, morality has it that you are a cheat. There is no part of the world where your act could be justified. Your type is not needed in this forum, but bad enough is that you will create a new account and start building it up. But, I think you have learnt your lesson. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: coolcoinz on May 18, 2023, 07:56:49 PM Reply to illegally allegations Assalamualaikum, my dear respected brothers, I am aware that everyone wants to talk about me, but the truth is no one knows the reality. You are all my seniors, and I trust that you will keep the respect in your hearts for me throughout my life. Whether someone speaks ill of me or praises me, I am not affected because in one person, there are 100 good qualities and 1 bad quality. People tend to focus on the negative. I don't care about what others think of me; I only remember the kindness and compassion of all my brothers. It doesn't matter to me if someone speaks badly about me, as I won't lose anything. If a person is 99% good and 1% bad, people only focus on the bad. I am going through difficult times, and instead of motivating me, everyone is demotivating me. I am worried about this, as it has caused a significant loss for me. I am not saying that someone should motivate me, but they should also not investigate. Because I know my current situation and my Lord knows it too. I am very hurt by the fact that if someone had seen me struggling, why didn't they guide me? The first campaign I did was without knowledge of this matter. If I had any greed in my heart, I wouldn't have shared this, but the close ones knew about it. I shared it with Gladitorcomeback and Zain Bhai. I also talked to a senior about it, that I didn't receive the payment for 2 weeks. I had done the work properly, as you can see in my posts, but I didn't receive the payment. So, I applied on Duelbits and got accepted. Then someone reported it and created threads about it. Now, I will address the truth there as well. But I am saddened that my own community is not standing with me. I removed the request text from the Pakistan local board immediately to protect my community. My community is dearer to me than my own life, but no one motivated me on this matter. Every person makes mistakes, and no one is perfect. But no one here is an angel. May Allah bring justice to my case. ThemePen brother, you are saying that I managed the merit myself. I worked hard and created posts with accurate information, but no one supported me. What else could I have done? And ThemePen brother, if you knew about changing the signature, why didn't you guide me? The matter of reputation is dearer to me than anything else. Please remember, if one person's reputation is tarnished, it affects the entire community. You all are damaging your own reputations. Instead of blaming me, ask for the truth. Thank you. Thanks for translating it. It looks like he's looking for support in his local board, hoping that you guys will defend him. He's playing dumb, acting like it wasn't a deliberate action, but at the same time shows defiance, like it's the world's fault that he did it. It's the fault of his peers, the fact that he wasn't paid in another campaign, that other's don't know him well. He also merited his other accounts because nobody was willing to merit them, so what was he supposed to do? He's not going to talk to the people who don't understand him, but he may talk to his brothers in faith, as they're above the rest. He doesn't care about those here who criticize him, only about his brothers. And remember, he wasn't making accounts and joining campaigns out of greed, but because he was going through difficult times. What's there to learn from this case? Merit posters! When you merit, you show support. Every supported post is one more person saved from becoming a campaign abuser and account farmer! Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: Saisher on May 18, 2023, 09:34:11 PM I'm just surprised that there's no animosity toward the bad deeds that he has done, he prefers blaming his community and his seniors for not guiding him properly. I find this unethical and distasteful you are supposed to know the rules and you know that it's cheating to accept payment on two campaigns, you don't drag your community to your misdeeds Quote If one person's reputation is tarnished, it affects the entire community If you made a mistake you should man enough to accept and not blame your community for not supporting your misdeeds and guiding you. I'm sure your community will not tolerate your action, you should be out of this forum. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: examplens on May 18, 2023, 09:50:33 PM This is a translation of the above post. It may not be perfect English, but have to consider the peculiarities of Urdu and the difficulty of translating from this style of writing. Reply to illegally allegations Assalamualaikum, my dear respected brothers, I am aware that everyone wants to talk about me, but the truth is no one knows the reality. You are all my seniors, and I trust that you will keep the respect in your hearts for me throughout my life. Whether someone speaks ill of me or praises me, I am not affected because in one person, there are 100 good qualities and 1 bad quality. People tend to focus on the negative. I don't care about what others think of me; I only remember the kindness and compassion of all my brothers. It doesn't matter to me if someone speaks badly about me, as I won't lose anything. If a person is 99% good and 1% bad, people only focus on the bad. I am going through difficult times, and instead of motivating me, everyone is demotivating me. I am worried about this, as it has caused a significant loss for me. I am not saying that someone should motivate me, but they should also not investigate. Because I know my current situation and my Lord knows it too. I am very hurt by the fact that if someone had seen me struggling, why didn't they guide me? The first campaign I did was without knowledge of this matter. If I had any greed in my heart, I wouldn't have shared this, but the close ones knew about it. I shared it with Gladitorcomeback and Zain Bhai. I also talked to a senior about it, that I didn't receive the payment for 2 weeks. I had done the work properly, as you can see in my posts, but I didn't receive the payment. So, I applied on Duelbits and got accepted. Then someone reported it and created threads about it. Now, I will address the truth there as well. But I am saddened that my own community is not standing with me. I removed the request text from the Pakistan local board immediately to protect my community. My community is dearer to me than my own life, but no one motivated me on this matter. Every person makes mistakes, and no one is perfect. But no one here is an angel. May Allah bring justice to my case. ThemePen brother, you are saying that I managed the merit myself. I worked hard and created posts with accurate information, but no one supported me. What else could I have done? And ThemePen brother, if you knew about changing the signature, why didn't you guide me? The matter of reputation is dearer to me than anything else. Please remember, if one person's reputation is tarnished, it affects the entire community. You all are damaging your own reputations. Instead of blaming me, ask for the truth. Thank you. Thanks for this translation. It seems that all of you from the Pakistan board are guilty because he cheated in two campaigns. I don't know how he can plead ignorance, and he received payments for multiple Sunday campaigns. Obviously not an incident. I'm just surprised that there's no animosity toward the bad deeds that he has done, he prefers blaming his community and his seniors for not guiding him properly. Obviously, he did not expect this kind of outcome and he completely lost the ground under his feet. For a moment he is proud and tries to present it as if it means nothing to him until he realizes that he has run out of opportunities for income from the campaign. Quote It doesn't matter to me if someone speaks badly about me, as I won't lose anything. If a person is 99% good and 1% bad, people only focus on the bad. I am going through difficult times, and instead of motivating me, everyone is demotivating me. I am worried about this, as it has caused a significant loss for me. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: AB de Royse777 on May 18, 2023, 10:08:47 PM ~snip~ @Royse777 must compensate the company for the past weeks First I thought it's a weird request but then I emptied my mind and considered the proposal. Logically my client lost money on the guy and it's because of me. I can make many reasons why it missed my radar but all will sound excuses and I don't like excuses.FYI, I compensated my client with the BTC that was lost (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5452979.msg62253707#msg62253707) on Shan85. It's my own interpretation of this specific case and as we all know it's not something common we experienced before. As managers we all have our freedom of conducting own businesses. Just because I did something does not need to be followed by others and not to be considered as a common practice too. Cheers, Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: nutildah on May 19, 2023, 01:04:42 AM What's there to learn from this case? Merit posters! When you merit, you show support. Every supported post is one more person saved from becoming a campaign abuser and account farmer! LOL. Given the rest of your post I have to assume you're being sarcastic here... Based on the merit histories of the known alts, I'd say this person likely still has a few un-busted accounts that are still in signature campaigns. But because they have done a careful job of avoiding any blockchain links, I won't bother mentioning who I suspect they are for now. Despite this person's heartfelt plea to their countrymen, they are a pathological liar, I don't buy whatever story they may have for one second. Oddly enough I did get a PM from one of them in March asking for a second chance. I said no. Looks like I made the right decision. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: shasan on May 19, 2023, 02:18:36 AM I think I disagree with you on this; When there is a financial transaction there is no necessary for time. When I send you 500$ means anyone can trust me for 500$. For example, you send me 500$ btc and then I send you 500$ eth or something else. This means you should trust me for this 500$. Even others can do the same. So, the main factor is not the time in this case.Does s/he need to catch all the cheaters in this forum before he could be trusted, if catching one cheater is not enough. -------- There was a user who wanted to pay for evil fee or copper membership, but theymos mistakenly sent him some btc, as new as s/he was and having joined the forum with a concealed ip, s/he chosed to return the btc. He recieved enough positive feedbacks without waiting for him to reach 5 years in the forum Lets us discuss another scenario: You have no financial transactions but you are working a lot of time on the forum and you have found out few scams (it might be one too) you have reached sr member/hero member then anyone can trust you. Because you will not scam a few hundred dollars. Though it can be different if you have no earned merit and all of your merit is from airdrop. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: Shan85 on May 19, 2023, 10:36:06 AM What happened:: The user (Shan85) wearing both signatures of Duelbits signature as well as signature of BetterCallRaul (each before receiving the payment. I did not know this happened mistakenly Sorry. I accept my mistake and I’m ready to refund last week payment to both of you Roysee and Hhampuz. SORRYTitle: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: examplens on May 19, 2023, 10:48:55 AM What happened:: The user (Shan85) wearing both signatures of Duelbits signature as well as signature of BetterCallRaul (each before receiving the payment. I did not know this happened mistakenly Sorry. I accept my mistake and I’m ready to refund last week payment to both of you Roysee and Hhampuz. SORRYAnd you need to return that money, for that contact Royse777 and Hhampuz. Royse777 already paid out of his own pocket (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5452979.msg62264881#msg62264881) for your mess. Please don't pretend you didn't know it was a foul, you did it for more than a week. It is also clearly indicated in the rules of both campaigns that any changes to signatures are not allowed. ▶️ You are not allowed to change anything on the signature code. If you edit the signature code, I will disqualify you immediately Do not wear any other Signature or Avatar during your stay in this campaign or you will be removed without notice or payment. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: hugeblack on May 19, 2023, 11:09:55 AM There's no obligation for both of them to compensate the company for the past weeks, they're not have any intention to scam the company and Shan85 isn't their alt accounts. I also don't think they need to pay a developer to create a script or adds on to monitor their campaign participants. There is a difference between a person joining same campaign using more than one account and a person not wearing the signature and being paid. When the advertising company wants to ads here, they ask the campaign manager to search for the best ways, and therefore he selects best high quality posting account to wear signature. If this does not happen, it means that the company paid money for nothing, and therefore the campaign manager is responsible for that + the amount is less than $300. The matter is different if scam is using more than one account and/or spam, as the user has advertised for the company, and therefore the campaign manager will not refund the money to them. It's exactly like this story ---> I've been hacked (Electrum 4.3.2) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5433643.0) But this forum have a lot members, I believe with so many eyes, this case would have very low chance to happen again. It would be a real bonus, a campaign manager who has this bot and analyzes users' posts, merits, etc. Instead of selecting members and counting the number of postsTitle: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: shasan on May 19, 2023, 11:49:13 AM I did not know this happened mistakenly Sorry. I accept my mistake and I’m ready to refund last week payment to both of you Roysee and Hhampuz. SORRY I did not understand why you have not returned the money. If you were a legit user then you could return the fund of both campaign managers then you could say sorry hear. And also message both campaign managers. But before doing anything you should return the fund. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: tbterryboy on May 19, 2023, 12:14:50 PM I did not understand why you have not returned the money. If you were a legit user then you could return the fund of both campaign managers then you could say sorry hear. And also message both campaign managers. But before doing anything you should return the fund. Shan85 used different addresses on both of these campaigns and I checked on duelbit campaign sheet where I Shan85's addy got zero balance right now. So, he has to cover with some other balances and I am sorry to say (but as per typical scammers' behaviors) that may happen unlikely. I mean when scammers talk, they are ready to give all the promises and then easily do forget.And also message both campaign managers. But before doing anything you should return the fund. I guess, there will not be any problem for these managers to post BTC addresses here to get refunds from Shan85 (as Shan85 is active here). Also, managers may follow what icopress practices:I would recommend that either of them employ the method of icopress by giving the week's pay to the scam buster. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: shasan on May 19, 2023, 12:22:42 PM Shan85 used different addresses on both of these campaigns and I checked on duelbit campaign sheet where I Shan85's addy got zero balance right now. Oh, really!! But I am sorry I could see few transactions on the wallet of the accused user. You can see the balance on https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/addresses/btc/bc1q5d3fa52ewajkzd532ejc8wzxleeml2ta9khc08 Hopefully think you will not say that the wallet bc1q5d3fa52ewajkzd532ejc8wzxleeml2ta9khc08 is not the wallet of Shan85. Payment proof as well as wallet address proof round 134 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SxdEVD6MNn6I_SkSzldLFy5Ssx7IUBO_cpxtWKXj_Jk/edit#gid=173309799), round 135 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SxdEVD6MNn6I_SkSzldLFy5Ssx7IUBO_cpxtWKXj_Jk/edit#gid=312241842), round 136 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SxdEVD6MNn6I_SkSzldLFy5Ssx7IUBO_cpxtWKXj_Jk/edit#gid=276085590)I guess, there will not be any problem for these managers to post BTC addresses here to get refunds from Shan85 (as Shan85 is active here). Shan85 knew about it long ago and was posted on the local board for support but failed and that's why posted it here. Payment can be refunded to the wallet where the fund came from see the wallet address of the campaign manager or may ask for the campaign manager. I don't think the campaign managers are afraid of such a small amount. They can bear more loss than this. Now the responsibility is of Shan85.Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: rby on May 19, 2023, 12:32:39 PM but I've always understood that if you're in a campaign and change your signature even briefly, it's noted by the campaign manager....somehow. I never understood the somehow, but is that not the case? And if it were as easy as switching sigs and trying to fool managers, we'd be seeing way more of these shenanigans. Consider Duelbits that has about 112 participants, it will be very tedious to check if the 122 participants are wearing signature, then check for the post quality, then count the number of posts, update spreadsheet. This is a whole lot of work for a CM that is managing upto 5 different campaigns. Why I don't blame the managers is because, no normal human being will ever think of switching signature between companies and receiving payments. It's weird to reason such and that is not actually something that I can conceive throughout my stay in this forum and likewise many other genuine users. ~snip~ @Royse777 must compensate the company for the past weeks First I thought it's a weird request but then I emptied my mind and considered the proposal. Logically my client lost money on the guy and it's because of me. I can make many reasons why it missed my radar but all will sound excuses and I don't like excuses.FYI, I compensated my client with the BTC that was lost (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5452979.msg62253707#msg62253707) on Shan85. It's my own interpretation of this specific case and as we all know it's not something common we experienced before. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: Awaklara on May 19, 2023, 01:04:22 PM I did not know this happened mistakenly Sorry. I accept my mistake and I’m ready to refund last week payment to both of you Roysee and Hhampuz. SORRY whether you really don't know or are you looking to profit on purpose. but what is clear, you are violating the clearly written campaign rules. I hope you don't beat yourself up for skipping reading the campaign rules.In order to refund your payment, you must communicate with the manager. it gives responsible morals. but it won't clear your error. maybe the negative tag will still be in your account. I will support the flag. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: noormcs5 on May 19, 2023, 02:00:35 PM In order to refund your payment, you must communicate with the manager. it gives responsible morals. but it won't clear your error. maybe the negative tag will still be in your account. I will support the flag. I am sure that he will never refund the amount to the managers whom he tried to scam by changing the signatures and getting double payments in the signature campaigns. For a person to refund the money, he needs to be morally very sound but a scammer and a thief have no moral values and therefore there is no chance he will refund anything. Good thing is that he is caught and his dirty act has come to the conclusion. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: aioc on May 19, 2023, 02:24:59 PM What happened:: The user (Shan85) wearing both signatures of Duelbits signature as well as signature of BetterCallRaul (each before receiving the payment. I did not know this happened mistakenly Sorry. I accept my mistake and I’m ready to refund last week payment to both of you Roysee and Hhampuz. SORRYJust do it don't just say you are ready because you don't deserve that money, the nerve that you're still holding that money that comes from cheating if you are not caught you will continue to do this and you will not stop, I read your long alibi, and it doesn't go well with the community because it's hard to support who intentionally cheat. You have to repent, return all the money, and change your way. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: lovesmayfamilis on May 19, 2023, 02:36:57 PM In order to refund your payment, you must communicate with the manager. it gives responsible morals. but it won't clear your error. maybe the negative tag will still be in your account. I will support the flag. I am sure that he will never refund the amount to the managers whom he tried to scam by changing the signatures and getting double payments in the signature campaigns. For a person to refund the money, he needs to be morally very sound but a scammer and a thief have no moral values and therefore there is no chance he will refund anything. Good thing is that he is caught and his dirty act has come to the conclusion. After such a huge number of alternative accounts, I think it is not appropriate to talk about moral qualities at all. Hiding behind poverty and religion, he spreads his accounts in arithmetic progression. I'm sure he still has a bunch of live, untouched negative trust profiles. You can check that some of them are waking up today; I think the owner is checking the ones with which he can continue his "path". Looking at how the accounts in the Pakistani section exchange merit regularly, it is not surprising that even a new account with this scammer will grow very quickly. It is a pity that there is no ban on a certain number of IP addresses on the forum. This would greatly complicate the lives of scammers. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: Josefjix on May 19, 2023, 03:34:12 PM What happened:: The user (Shan85) wearing both signatures of Duelbits signature as well as signature of BetterCallRaul (each before receiving the payment. I did not know this happened mistakenly Sorry. I accept my mistake and I’m ready to refund last week payment to both of you Roysee and Hhampuz. SORRYJust do it don't just say you are ready because you don't deserve that money, the nerve that you're still holding that money that comes from cheating if you are not caught you will continue to do this and you will not stop, I read your long alibi, and it doesn't go well with the community because it's hard to support who intentionally cheat. You have to repent, return all the money, and change your way. Is his faith against his word now, return the money and seek Allah's forgiveness Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: Findingnemo on May 19, 2023, 05:07:53 PM Is there a way that a Manager will be notified as soon as a Participant of the campaign removes the signature even just for a second? What happened:: The user (Shan85) wearing both signatures of Duelbits signature as well as signature of BetterCallRaul (each before receiving the payment. I did not know this happened mistakenly Sorry. I accept my mistake and I’m ready to refund last week payment to both of you Roysee and Hhampuz. SORRYIf it happened mistakenly for a week then you can logically explain and refund one bounty reward from former campaign but it looks like you intentionally did since it was happening for 3 weeks as far as I read the replies of others here so you were changing the signature back and forth at the payment date to ensure you get paid from both campaigns so its unacceptable and you will be not trusted anymore in this forum. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: AB de Royse777 on May 19, 2023, 08:22:42 PM What happened:: The user (Shan85) wearing both signatures of Duelbits signature as well as signature of BetterCallRaul (each before receiving the payment. I did not know this happened mistakenly Sorry. I accept my mistake and I’m ready to refund last week payment to both of you Roysee and Hhampuz. SORRYHere is the address to refund 0.00422361 BTC Code: bc1qj8l4kgmy8hy8qa2cxyjunh5qgzc0nkzext2tvx Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: LogitechMouse on May 19, 2023, 09:57:42 PM What happened:: The user (Shan85) wearing both signatures of Duelbits signature as well as signature of BetterCallRaul (each before receiving the payment. I did not know this happened mistakenly Sorry. I accept my mistake and I’m ready to refund last week payment to both of you Roysee and Hhampuz. SORRYI also think, what if he really refunds the BTC that he got from 2 campaigns illegally, will the negative trust be removed, or at least turn to a neutral one? You don't know? What a pathetic reason coming from you. You are in the forum for around 1 1/2 years already, and you don't know? Just say that you cheated because you really did. I will wait for you to pay back Hhampuz, and Royse with the money you stole from them. :) but I've always understood that if you're in a campaign and change your signature even briefly, it's noted by the campaign manager....somehow. I never understood the somehow, but is that not the case? And if it were as easy as switching sigs and trying to fool managers, we'd be seeing way more of these shenanigans. Consider Duelbits that has about 112 participants, it will be very tedious to check if the 122 participants are wearing signature, then check for the post quality, then count the number of posts, update spreadsheet. This is a whole lot of work for a CM that is managing upto 5 different campaigns. Why I don't blame the managers is because, no normal human being will ever think of switching signature between companies and receiving payments. It's weird to reason such and that is not actually something that I can conceive throughout my stay in this forum and likewise many other genuine users. You already said that Duelbits has 112 participants, and Hhampuz is managing more than 1 campaign aside from Duelbits. At the same time, Royse is managing many campaigns as well. I'm thinking if they will hire somebody here to help them in counting posts, and to monitor each participant, so that things like what @Shan85 did will not happen in the future. I don't know, but it's just my suggestion for both of them. :) TBH, it's my first time to see a user here switching signatures between 2 campaigns, and not being caught for more than a week. Will there be somebody who can do it again in the future? I guess so especially if they are really in need of money. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: ndutndut on May 19, 2023, 10:39:35 PM I did not know this happened mistakenly Sorry. I accept my mistake and I’m ready to refund last week payment to both of you Roysee and Hhampuz. SORRY The tags in your profile made me read all about this thread. how shocked I was when I saw that your cunning had made everyone in this forum very angry with you. The crime that you are so brave, I wonder why you are so desperate to do such a stupid thing?Don't you love yourself for building an account for a long time to a full member? whereas if you don't cheat you can earn even more with signature campaigns. Money from fraud will not be a blessing. What you have to do now, you have to return the money you got from the two signatures so that your life will be calmer. Unlawful money is a sin to eat. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: Xiaomie A1 on May 20, 2023, 03:12:16 AM I did not know this happened mistakenly Sorry. I accept my mistake and I’m ready to refund last week payment to both of you Roysee and Hhampuz. SORRY Apologizing also won't change anything for what happened because what you did is really very heinous to look at. And what makes me wonder here besides the case you have made is why did you post it in the Indonesian locale besides the Pakistani locale? Do you also want to trick people in Indonesia like you tricked the two famous managers in this forum?https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5253221.msg61953809#msg61953809 (Indonesia Local) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=232519.msg62258450#msg62258450 (Pakistan local) Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: Apocollapse on May 20, 2023, 03:43:51 AM And what makes me wonder here besides the case you have made is why did you post it in the Indonesian locale besides the Pakistani locale? Do you also want to trick people in Indonesia like you tricked the two famous managers in this forum? I think he want to get merit because if you read most of the posts in that thread, there are a lot merit flowing. But it's good Indonesian users aren't giving him any single merit, if he get few merit, don't surprised if he will continue to post in Indonesian board.In order to refund your payment, you must communicate with the manager. it gives responsible morals. but it won't clear your error. maybe the negative tag will still be in your account. Man, don't say this. :PIt will make him not want to refund his money because there's no benefit for him after he successfully refund his money. Looking at how the accounts in the Pakistani section exchange merit regularly, it is not surprising that even a new account with this scammer will grow very quickly. Nowadays local board are used to exchange merit, but if the local board user try to post in global board and can't get many merit as he got in his local board, it's show local board user only meriting his friend, not because of the quality.It is a pity that there is no ban on a certain number of IP addresses on the forum. This would greatly complicate the lives of scammers. Talking about ban certain number of IP addresses, I don't think the forum will do it. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: Poker Player on May 20, 2023, 03:59:40 AM I just checked and, at least so far, Shan85 has not sent the money he says he is going to return to the address Royse777 posted. I doubt he will.
Also, saying it was a mistake sounds to me like the excuse of a little kid who makes up bullshit when he gets caught. There is no mistake, it was intentional. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: shasan on May 20, 2023, 04:12:56 AM I just checked and, at least so far, Shan85 has not sent the money he says he is going to return to the address Royse777 posted. I doubt he will. Let's forget about the past incident either that was a mistake or intentional. Let us see whether the accused user will send the fund to the mentioned wallet or not. I doubt the user will not send the fund to the mentioned wallet. Already passed a long time since the post of the accused user but till now there is no update regarding the refund.Also, saying it was a mistake sounds to me like the excuse of a little kid who makes up bullshit when he gets caught. There is no mistake, it was intentional. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: smyslov on May 20, 2023, 05:12:10 AM I just checked and, at least so far, Shan85 has not sent the money he says he is going to return to the address Royse777 posted. I doubt he will. Also, saying it was a mistake sounds to me like the excuse of a little kid who makes up bullshit when he gets caught. There is no mistake, it was intentional. He log in today I'm sure he read Royse777 posting the address so far there are no incoming funds to the given address https://mempool.space/address/bc1qj8l4kgmy8hy8qa2cxyjunh5qgzc0nkzext2tvx If he failed to send the funds within 3 days since he did not specify how many days, this means that he is making fun of us and he is not serious, even if the funds are sent the tag should remain, he should not care about the tag, he should care more on his value and conscience. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: light_warrior on May 20, 2023, 06:11:12 AM He won't give anything back. Why would he give anything back? How much is a Full Member account? They said $400 was stolen. Consider that he sold his account and got a good price for it. So why would he give anything back? And since I heard he has more accounts on the forum, he will continue his dirty work from another account(s).
Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: robelneo on May 20, 2023, 09:12:01 AM He won't give anything back. Why would he give anything back? How much is a Full Member account? They said $400 was stolen. Consider that he sold his account and got a good price for it. So why would he give anything back? And since I heard he has more accounts on the forum, he will continue his dirty work from another account(s). I also don't believe that he will give the money back but I wish I'm wrong the guy is comfortable cheating he is shifting the signature in time for the payout, it's a scheme he perfectly hatched if he has a personal friend here in Bitcointalk that is aware of what's done he can talk him out to return all the money and post an apology but the tagged should stay. It's on his conscience now if he did not fulfill his promise, thereby this guy has no conscience, he is mocking us by promising something he cannot fulfill. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: LoyceMobile on May 20, 2023, 09:19:42 AM LoyceV read this topic.
Would there be any use for a service that regularly checks signatures at random times? It shouldn't be too difficult to monitor a thousand users. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: John Abraham on May 20, 2023, 09:41:34 AM LoyceV read this topic. Now I am wondering if LoyceBot (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=949024) will be able to detect any changes made on the signature space. If it can, then wouldn't it be an excellent service for a campaign manager? A Monthly cheap subscription will help the Campaign manager and the company ensure this doesn't happen repeatedly. Would there be any use for a service that regularly checks signatures at random times? It shouldn't be too difficult to monitor a thousand users. However, Participants change every week or every few weeks. Move from one campaign to another Campaign. Some spreadsheets are hidden (Bettercallitraul, for example). I am curious How would you do that? If you have to do something manually, you won't be able to provide this service at a cheap price. But, if you can make it automatic, offering an affordable subscription could be possible. About refunding to Campaign managers, Guys, let's not pre-assume something. Let him decide what he wants to do. If you say such things from the beginning, It will motivate him not to refund even if he plans to refund them. As he said, He would refund last week's payment to both Campaign managers. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: noormcs5 on May 20, 2023, 09:46:52 AM I just checked and, at least so far, Shan85 has not sent the money he says he is going to return to the address Royse777 posted. I doubt he will. Also, saying it was a mistake sounds to me like the excuse of a little kid who makes up bullshit when he gets caught. There is no mistake, it was intentional. That's a shame that he posted first that he will return but now he is not acting upon his words. By the way there is no need to believe his words because if he was too honest to return the money, he would not have stolen it at first place. He won't give anything back. Why would he give anything back? How much is a Full Member account? They said $400 was stolen. Consider that he sold his account and got a good price for it. So why would he give anything back? And since I heard he has more accounts on the forum, he will continue his dirty work from another account(s). Return it for the moral value, the inner peace , the satisfied soul ??? But i think the thieves and the scammers does not posses these feelings. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: NotATether on May 20, 2023, 12:46:00 PM How is it possible to wear two signatures at once? Wouldn't one of the signatures be below the other and thus be cut off?
And did campaign managers not see that he was in two different spreadsheets at once? Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: shasan on May 20, 2023, 12:48:30 PM How is it possible to wear two signatures at once? Wouldn't one of the signatures be below the other and thus be cut off? Bro, you are not on the same page. The user does not wear both signatures at a time. The user wears one signature and once received the payment then wears another one. And in this way continue. As a result, get payment from both campaigns. If the user wears both signatures at a time then both campaign managers will have to reject the payment.And did campaign managers not see that he was in two different spreadsheets at once? Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: NotATether on May 20, 2023, 02:12:13 PM How is it possible to wear two signatures at once? Wouldn't one of the signatures be below the other and thus be cut off? Bro, you are not on the same page. The user does not wear both signatures at a time. The user wears one signature and once received the payment then wears another one. And in this way continue. As a result, get payment from both campaigns. If the user wears both signatures at a time then both campaign managers will have to reject the payment.And did campaign managers not see that he was in two different spreadsheets at once? OK. That is scummy behavior though. I wouldn't have caught that myself because I have got signatures and avatars disabled in the forum settings. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: LoyceV on May 20, 2023, 05:45:48 PM Would there be any use for a service that regularly checks signatures at random times? It shouldn't be too difficult to monitor a thousand users. Now I am wondering if LoyceBot (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=949024) will be able to detect any changes made on the signature space. If it can, then wouldn't it be an excellent service for a campaign manager? A Monthly cheap subscription will help the Campaign manager and the company ensure this doesn't happen repeatedly.So far, my list isn't that long, and it's still experimental. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: UserU on May 21, 2023, 08:36:12 AM Now I am wondering if LoyceBot (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=949024) will be able to detect any changes made on the signature space. If it can, then wouldn't it be an excellent service for a campaign manager? A Monthly cheap subscription will help the Campaign manager and the company ensure this doesn't happen repeatedly. However, Participants change every week or every few weeks. Move from one campaign to another Campaign. Some spreadsheets are hidden (Bettercallitraul, for example). I am curious How would you do that? If you have to do something manually, you won't be able to provide this service at a cheap price. But, if you can make it automatic, offering an affordable subscription could be possible. That is a good idea. It's possible, just that the bot needs to access the API and detect code changes in the signature field against the original content. Sends an alert/ notification if a signature change is detected. About the hidden spreadsheets, perhaps it should be mandatory to be made public? After all, it has been the norm. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: LoyceV on May 22, 2023, 08:29:53 AM I don't have merits to give anymore but I left him positive feedback I suggest you to reconsider your feedback, I would say neutral feedback is more appropriate in this case.Quote There was a user who wanted to pay for evil fee or copper membership, but theymos mistakenly sent him some btc, as new as s/he was and having joined the forum with a concealed ip, s/he chosed to return the btc. He recieved enough positive feedbacks without waiting for him to reach 5 years in the forum That user could have kept the Bitcoin theymos sent him, but he didn't. So theymos' feedback is appropriate. I don't think it was necessary for many other users to also add positive feedback though.Therefore, @Hhampuz and @Royse777 must compensate the company for the past weeks or at least pay to developer (out of their own money) to create a bot to verify that users in the campaign do not modify them signature during the campaign period, any modification will be sent to the campaign manager. I made a bot to check this, but it's not public yet. See loyce.club/signatures/ (https://loyce.club/signatures/?C=M;O=D) for the current entries. I'm still in doubt if I should charge for it's usage: on the one hand I like catching cheaters, but on the other hand campaign managers aren't charities.Duelbits employs about 112 participants which would make it difficult for Hhampuz to notice I never understood why so many campaigns choose the same campaign manager, instead of hiring someone who's dedicated to just their campaign. It's basically like someone who only shows up for work half the time, and his boss doesn't notice it for weeks until an other employee tells on him.Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: tbterryboy on May 22, 2023, 09:11:59 AM I never understood why so many campaigns choose the same campaign manager, instead of hiring someone who's dedicated to just their campaign. Obviously business owners would prefer the experienced and established manager to promote them. So, I guess there would be no wonder on seeing the highly recognized managers with so many campaigns.It's basically like someone who only shows up for work half the time, and his boss doesn't notice it for weeks until an other employee tells on him. One of the probable reason could be:This might be an all-new-kind of scam attempt which falls beyond managers' measurements in terms of scam control and prevention. The outcome lesson of this scam might be, it is time for managers to run a bot for checking changes in signature codes for all 7 days and 24 hours. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: Nwada001 on May 22, 2023, 03:17:26 PM Obviously business owners would prefer the experienced and established manager to promote them. So, I guess there would be no wonder on seeing the highly recognized managers with so many campaigns. Not just that, I think project owners also look at managers with higher reputations and not just qualifications; there are people who will post a campaign today, and in a few hours, there will be lots of applicants who are already on the waiting list because they trust the manager to be the type that will always deliver. There are also some new managers who might actually be good at what they preach, but because they are not yet well known and have nothing to show off that they won't scam their participants, when such managers post work here, most people will see it and overlook it. I guess this is also the kind of thing project owners look at before hiring someone, not even minding the amount of work the manager is holding at the moment. This is also because the manager will always assure them they can deliver their work, and at the end of the day, both the project owners and the managers get what they want. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: SatoPrincess on May 23, 2023, 06:07:31 AM Duelbits employs about 112 participants which would make it difficult for Hhampuz to notice I don’t believe the number of participants had anything to do with it, even if the campaign had only five slots, with the same user the result would be the same since managers do not have a bot that notifies them if a participant changes his signature during the week. I never understood why so many campaigns choose the same campaign manager, instead of hiring someone who's dedicated to just their campaign. It's basically like someone who only shows up for work half the time, and his boss doesn't notice it for weeks until an other employee tells on him. I’m sure you’re aware campaigns do not only hire a manager just for his ability to deliver but for the legitimacy the manager brings to the campaign. I’m not certain a new campaign would survive if they hire a manager who doesn’t have much reputation. It will be cheaper for companies to buy copper membership and manage their campaigns by themselves but they will have to spend more time building trust within the community before they can be recognized. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: John Abraham on May 23, 2023, 07:13:24 AM How's this? See Your signature log (https://loyce.club/signatures/2589230.html). I check each profile on my list at least once a day, at random times. If there's a change, a new entry gets added to that page. Well, This is good. But, before you work on it more, You should contact some Campaign managers like Hhampuz and Royse777, who manages many campaigns. You can discuss whether they need the service before you further improve it. This is a super helpful tool for a campaign manager and the company. Campaign managers may charge an extra $ for every week from the company. But, It also depends on your pricing. Let's say a company wants this subscription at a low price, like $5/week. But, you may think, No, the service I will provide is worth more than that. So, You may discuss the excellent price for a campaign with 30-40 Participants. So far, my list isn't that long, and it's still experimental. About your Current development, Yeah, it's nice. I can see the date of first-time download, the signature and the last update time. Is it possible to detect the changes if they were made for a few minutes? Let's say I changed my signature for a few minutes and returned to what it was before. Will your bot be able to detect it? Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: LoyceV on May 23, 2023, 07:23:09 AM About your Current development, Yeah, it's nice. I can see the date of first-time download, the signature and the last update time. Is it possible to detect the changes if they were made for a few minutes? Let's say I changed my signature for a few minutes and returned to what it was before. Will your bot be able to detect it? Maybe, maybe not. There's a random delay between scraping, so for a few minutes you'd probably get away with it. But who's willing to risk it? See LoyceBot's test change (https://loyce.club/signatures/949024.html).I could scrape more often, but that would create unnecessary forum server load, so I'm trying to find a balance. It could be someone gets lucky if he hops from A to B and back after a few hours, but the random scraping time makes that a risk. Besides, campaign manager A may not notice it, but campaign manager B will only see signature A in the logs. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: rby on May 23, 2023, 08:47:12 AM Duelbits employs about 112 participants which would make it difficult for Hhampuz to notice I never understood why so many campaigns choose the same campaign manager, instead of hiring someone who's dedicated to just their campaign. It's basically like someone who only shows up for work half the time, and his boss doesn't notice it for weeks until an other employee tells on him.The only reason I can think of is trustworthiness. Project owners wouldn't want a situation their campaign budget money will get missing or hacked. I tried one day to understand how some of the long term campaigns funds Hhampuz for the campaign. I was of the opinion that they send him campaign monthly or quarterly, who knows it could be yearly. And not every random managers would be trusted with such amounts. I’m sure you’re aware campaigns do not only hire a manager just for his ability to deliver but for the legitimacy the manager brings to the campaign. I’m not certain a new campaign would survive if they hire a manager who doesn’t have much reputation. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: shasan on May 23, 2023, 09:22:26 AM It will be cheaper for companies to buy copper membership and manage their campaigns by themselves but they will have to spend more time building trust within the community before they can be recognized. You might be right but I could not agree with you. To run a signature campaign they do not need to be reputed. Hence they are not aware of the signature campaign, signature design, creating spreadsheets, and calculating that. If they have all the ability then their time might be more valuable than the spending on the campaign manager. If a newbie run a signature campaign and escrow their fund for few weeks then they have nothing to be worried about.Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: robelneo on May 23, 2023, 11:05:29 AM It will be cheaper for companies to buy copper membership and manage their campaigns by themselves but they will have to spend more time building trust within the community before they can be recognized. You might be right but I could not agree with you. To run a signature campaign they do not need to be reputed. Hence they are not aware of the signature campaign, signature design, creating spreadsheets, and calculating that. If they have all the ability then their time might be more valuable than the spending on the campaign manager. If a newbie run a signature campaign and escrow their fund for few weeks then they have nothing to be worried about.All project developers want in their campaign are leads, conversion, and branding, and who better manages this, only the veteran campaign managers like Royse, Hhampuz, and Brainboss who know everything around here, who are familiar with leads and conversion, and who know how to pick the right participants who are likely to deliver, who knows about sections of the forums that can deliver leads and who can establish their brand here. I prefer veteran managers because they know how to communicate with all ranks of members here, campaign managing is not something you learn overnight, it should be backed up with years of experience, it's their territory and they know their way here. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: Findingnemo on May 23, 2023, 12:56:51 PM It will be cheaper for companies to buy copper membership and manage their campaigns by themselves but they will have to spend more time building trust within the community before they can be recognized. You might be right but I could not agree with you. To run a signature campaign they do not need to be reputed. Hence they are not aware of the signature campaign, signature design, creating spreadsheets, and calculating that. If they have all the ability then their time might be more valuable than the spending on the campaign manager. If a newbie run a signature campaign and escrow their fund for few weeks then they have nothing to be worried about.Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: CryptoHeadlineNews on May 23, 2023, 01:50:27 PM He's from Pakistan. The minimum wage there is only $90 a month. That's a criminal offense that forum user just did, double cheating on a signature campaign for double payments, which has now got him red tagged, making his account useless and unfit to participate in any further campaign on the forum ever again. Because though it's sad, but this is what happens to people when they allow greed over their sense of reasoning into doing what is bad. Secondly, this should be a wake up to our campaign managers to always ensure no member of that campaign has an alt in it or not wearing the needed signature or avatar for the weekHe was getting $160 from one campaign, so he decided to double it by cheating and live a better life. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: FatFork on May 23, 2023, 02:41:35 PM It will be cheaper for companies to buy copper membership and manage their campaigns by themselves but they will have to spend more time building trust within the community before they can be recognized. Well, that's not always the way it goes. I get why it might seem like a money-saver for companies to handle their campaigns on their own, but you should consider the bigger picture. Just assuming that every business owner should do everything themselves to cut costs doesn't always work out in reality. Here's my thinking: hiring professionals who specialize in campaign management can bring some serious benefits. These experts have the know-how, industry knowledge, and a fresh set of eyes that can make a real difference. They can help streamline the process, fine-tune strategies, avoid common pitfalls, and ultimately maximize the impact of your campaigns. So, while you might think doing it all in-house is the budget-friendly way to go, it's worth considering the long-term benefits of working with experienced professionals. It's all about finding that sweet spot where costs meet the value they bring to the table. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: BitcoinGirl.Club on May 23, 2023, 07:02:17 PM It will be cheaper for companies to buy copper membership and manage their campaigns by themselves but they will have to spend more time building trust within the community before they can be recognized. You might be right but I could not agree with you. To run a signature campaign they do not need to be reputed. Hence they are not aware of the signature campaign, signature design, creating spreadsheets, and calculating that. If they have all the ability then their time might be more valuable than the spending on the campaign manager. If a newbie run a signature campaign and escrow their fund for few weeks then they have nothing to be worried about.Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: CryptSafe on May 23, 2023, 08:41:00 PM It takes a smart crook to have such mind to carryout such an act. I have no doubt this account (shan85) might likely belong to a high ranked member here who knows how the system works here and i believe he must have taken time to study the managers and have found out they do not really put eyes into that area and do not have any idea any member of their campaign would do such so he took advantage of the situation and has been on this act for long but became a scapegoat when luck ran against him. If this account can be doing such then it means there are others he must have recruited to be carrying out such act on this platform. Possibly he has other accounts committing such crime.
Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: PX-Z on May 23, 2023, 10:42:18 PM In every business experience have it's value. An experience campaign manager knows how to handle their works professionally. Where someone new [no matter what rank they have in the forum] will learn the process though the experiences they will earn from their progress. A business will not hire someone who is learning but they will hire a person who knows what they are doing. I could agree with this but i won't in the last part. There are lots of instances of businesses hired an almost new campaign managers regardless their ranks. Well, most of these managers came from being a newbie on the management side, 4 years ago, aside from yahoo and hampuz, there are many new members seeks a management job yet they build there reputation and learning on the process and become what they are now.Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: Latviand on May 24, 2023, 12:43:45 AM It takes a smart crook to have such mind to carryout such an act. I have no doubt this account (shan85) might likely belong to a high ranked member here who knows how the system works here and i believe he must have taken time to study the managers and have found out they do not really put eyes into that area and do not have any idea any member of their campaign would do such so he took advantage of the situation and has been on this act for long but became a scapegoat when luck ran against him. If this account can be doing such then it means there are others he must have recruited to be carrying out such act on this platform. Possibly he has other accounts committing such crime. Not really smart though, maybe mindful and sneaky. I like your idea that it could be an account of a high ranking member in the forum but the fact that Shan85 is switching signatures takes time and it's a possibility that he/she might've a job and that he/she might not have the time to do this especially if what you think is true that he/she does have another high ranking account. Good catch OP, not a lot of people pay attention to this kind of thing especially if they know how to fly under the radar but there's proof and you can't really refute that. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: Poker Player on May 24, 2023, 04:41:20 AM Not really smart though, maybe mindful and sneaky. I agree. In these cases, as in the case of the exchange that has just disappeared, probably being an exit scam, I wonder what it cost them to continue doing things legally, without being blinded by greed. Well, in the case of Shan85, he will no longer be able to do business with this account, and it will cost him to build up another one from 0 if he does not have other alts to be able to receive the income he already had. He could have done things with patience, and at the same time that he was working for a campaign he could have created an alt and build it up so that in the future he could have two accounts for which he could get paid in two campaigns in a legal way, without anyone being able to red tag him. He could have been rich in a country doing this, but greed blinded him. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: SatoPrincess on May 25, 2023, 12:07:50 AM It will be cheaper for companies to buy copper membership and manage their campaigns by themselves but they will have to spend more time building trust within the community before they can be recognized. You might be right but I could not agree with you. To run a signature campaign they do not need to be reputed. Hence they are not aware of the signature campaign, signature design, creating spreadsheets, and calculating that. If they have all the ability then their time might be more valuable than the spending on the campaign manager. If a newbie run a signature campaign and escrow their fund for few weeks then they have nothing to be worried about.Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: Latviand on May 25, 2023, 02:25:17 AM ~ Well, in the case of Shan85, he will no longer be able to do business with this account, and it will cost him to build up another one from 0 if he does not have other alts to be able to receive the income he already had. He could have done things with patience, and at the same time that he was working for a campaign he could have created an alt and build it up so that in the future he could have two accounts for which he could get paid in two campaigns in a legal way, without anyone being able to red tag him. He could have been rich in a country doing this, but greed blinded him.Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: btc_angela on May 25, 2023, 12:19:42 PM It takes a smart crook to have such mind to carryout such an act. I have no doubt this account (shan85) might likely belong to a high ranked member here who knows how the system works here and i believe he must have taken time to study the managers and have found out they do not really put eyes into that area and do not have any idea any member of their campaign would do such so he took advantage of the situation and has been on this act for long but became a scapegoat when luck ran against him. If this account can be doing such then it means there are others he must have recruited to be carrying out such act on this platform. Possibly he has other accounts committing such crime. Not really smart though, maybe mindful and sneaky. I like your idea that it could be an account of a high ranking member in the forum but the fact that Shan85 is switching signatures takes time and it's a possibility that he/she might've a job and that he/she might not have the time to do this especially if what you think is true that he/she does have another high ranking account. Good catch OP, not a lot of people pay attention to this kind of thing especially if they know how to fly under the radar but there's proof and you can't really refute that. Maybe no one will catch him doing this kind of switching, but there are a lot of members here who have a sharp eye and might be looking for this kind cheating. And yeah, it's bad for him, he thought that he can get away from it. And whatever reasons he might give, we are not going to buy it because what he did is intentional. This might not be the case though, maybe my memory is blurry, but doing 2017, there has been such cases as well. Nevertheless, the same ending, they were caught and their account tag and can't no longer join any signature campaigns. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: coin-investor on May 25, 2023, 02:05:24 PM What happened:: The user (Shan85) wearing both signatures of Duelbits signature as well as signature of BetterCallRaul (each before receiving the payment. I did not know this happened mistakenly Sorry. I accept my mistake and I’m ready to refund last week payment to both of you Roysee and Hhampuz. SORRYFor an update about the payment so far, the scammer has not sent any amount, it's on his conscience now he will carry that burden all through his life, I think its part of his character of scamming people because scammers are like this, they are good at thinking all the possible way to cheat and scam people, since the start of the signature campaign here in this forum, no one has thought of this kind of cheating until somebody thought of this kind of scheme. https://mempool.space/address/bc1qj8l4kgmy8hy8qa2cxyjunh5qgzc0nkzext2tvx Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: Aanuoluwatofunmi on May 25, 2023, 02:19:41 PM It takes a smart crook to have such mind to carryout such an act. I have no doubt this account (shan85) might likely belong to a high ranked member here who knows how the system works here and i believe he must have taken time to study the managers and have found out they do not really put eyes into that area and do not have any idea any member of their campaign would do such so he took advantage of the situation and has been on this act for long but became a scapegoat when luck ran against him. If this account can be doing such then it means there are others he must have recruited to be carrying out such act on this platform. Possibly he has other accounts committing such crime. Not really smart though, maybe mindful and sneaky. I like your idea that it could be an account of a high ranking member in the forum but the fact that Shan85 is switching signatures takes time and it's a possibility that he/she might've a job and that he/she might not have the time to do this especially if what you think is true that he/she does have another high ranking account. Good catch OP, not a lot of people pay attention to this kind of thing especially if they know how to fly under the radar but there's proof and you can't really refute that. Maybe no one will catch him doing this kind of switching, but there are a lot of members here who have a sharp eye and might be looking for this kind cheating. And yeah, it's bad for him, he thought that he can get away from it. And whatever reasons he might give, we are not going to buy it because what he did is intentional. This might not be the case though, maybe my memory is blurry, but doing 2017, there has been such cases as well. Nevertheless, the same ending, they were caught and their account tag and can't no longer join any signature campaigns. I think using the ninjastic thread could also ease the catch of this kind but they are smart cheaters as well, thinking they will always go away with that forever, now it all has ended within a little space of time, what a shame on his reputation, efforts and contributions, am very sure that he was aware quite alright that such is against the law, but wanted to proof being smart, it will taught others a lesson if they were found in related acts and what will be their ends as well, this are offenses that needs no appeal because they are purely intentional and made deliberate. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: Cantsay on May 25, 2023, 04:25:27 PM ~~~ no one has thought of this kind of cheating until somebody thought of this kind of scheme. Actually this is the second case I have seen since I became a member of this forum, the first was carried out by a user named nhaila (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=996222). He was caught right in the act same date, same day the only difference was the time. You can see the post here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5355323.msg59887077#msg59887077 As for the Shan85 not paying, it was quite obvious from the start that he only made those posts jsut so that he could get those that tagged him to remove their tags nothing more. You can see that the last time he was active here in the forum was after he made that psot claiming that he was ready to reimburse the last payment he recieved and that might be his last post in this forum. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: rby on May 30, 2023, 12:57:26 AM I don't have merits to give anymore but I left him positive feedback I suggest you to reconsider your feedback, I would say neutral feedback is more appropriate in this case.Helena and LoyceV were right! The user who bursted the double signature scammer, I merited that post on Duelbits thread and also left s/he a positive feedback. As Royse777 made an update on BetterCallRaul thread, I discovered that someone I barely gave a +ve feedback for bursting a scammer is accused of using AI to make posts. I just quickly changed the +ve feedback to neutral while capturing the AI incident. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: shasan on May 30, 2023, 02:22:39 AM Helena and LoyceV were right! When anyone caught any scam then the user cant be trusted especially should not give any positive trust it can be turned into the opposite. It is good luck for us as the user has not trader any reversible payment and/or not taken any loan. If s/he did that then it could be another loan.The user who bursted the double signature scammer, I merited that post on Duelbits thread and also left s/he a positive feedback. As Royse777 made an update on BetterCallRaul thread, I discovered that someone I barely gave a +ve feedback for bursting a scammer is accused of using AI to make posts. I just quickly changed the +ve feedback to neutral while capturing the AI incident. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: JollyGood on May 30, 2023, 11:25:40 AM This is also the first time I have heard about anything like this happening. Wearing a signature to get paid from one campaign and then to swap it with another to get paid from a second one. Has anything like this ever happened before?
What are the chances it is already happening but has gone unnoticed by the majority of members here? This is the first time I've seen a member wearing a double signature, it's unethical and this is abuse good that he is caught this early with so many participants attended by bounty managers it's hard to catch this type of person it's good that one of the members caught him. Now we should be aware of this type of cheater, and we as members should help our managers by checking some of the participants if he is swapping signatures. Supported both flags. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: FatFork on May 30, 2023, 11:52:56 AM Has anything like this ever happened before? Cantsay already mentioned, there was a similar case involving a member named nhaila last year: Case 003: Signature Cheater. Details: nhaila (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=996222) is guilty of swapping between two signature campaigns and recieving reward weekly with the same posts. The two projects involved are; What are the chances it is already happening but has gone unnoticed by the majority of members here? It might slip under the radar for a week or two (unless the manager catches on earlier), but I highly doubt it can remain unnoticed for an extended period. The forum has a vigilant community with many observant members. ;) The cheater in this case benefited from the fact that the spreadsheet for a particular campaign was kept hidden from the public. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: JollyGood on May 30, 2023, 12:29:52 PM Cantsay already mentioned, there was a similar case involving a member named nhaila last year Thank you for highlighting it. Is it safe to conclude as far as is known, these two are the only two known cases of this type?It might slip under the radar for a week or two (unless the manager catches on earlier), but I highly doubt it can remain unnoticed for an extended period. The forum has a vigilant community with many observant members. ;) Even if it slips under the radar it seems as though the vigilance of members (as you aptly refer to it) managed to spot it. At least he did not manage to carry on the duplicitous conduct for a considerable length of time and instead was caught out quite early on.The cheater in this case benefited from the fact that the spreadsheet for a particular campaign was kept hidden from the public. Now he will have to create or buy another account and then go through the process of trying to rank up before being considered for joining signature campaigns. In the end he must be wondering whether it was worth it in the end for short term gain. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: Frankolala on June 01, 2023, 05:48:51 PM It takes a smart crook to have such mind to carryout such an act. I have no doubt this account (shan85) might likely belong to a high ranked member here who knows how the system works here and i believe he must have taken time to study the managers and have found out they do not really put eyes into that area and do not have any idea any member of their campaign would do such so he took advantage of the situation and has been on this act for long but became a scapegoat when luck ran against him. If this account can be doing such then it means there are others he must have recruited to be carrying out such act on this platform. Possibly he has other accounts committing such crime. Not really smart though, maybe mindful and sneaky. I like your idea that it could be an account of a high ranking member in the forum but the fact that Shan85 is switching signatures takes time and it's a possibility that he/she might've a job and that he/she might not have the time to do this especially if what you think is true that he/she does have another high ranking account. Good catch OP, not a lot of people pay attention to this kind of thing especially if they know how to fly under the radar but there's proof and you can't really refute that. Maybe no one will catch him doing this kind of switching, but there are a lot of members here who have a sharp eye and might be looking for this kind cheating. And yeah, it's bad for him, he thought that he can get away from it. And whatever reasons he might give, we are not going to buy it because what he did is intentional. This might not be the case though, maybe my memory is blurry, but doing 2017, there has been such cases as well. Nevertheless, the same ending, they were caught and their account tag and can't no longer join any signature campaigns. This is my first time to hear of this and I have never thought that one can come up with this. I believe anywhere he is now,he will learn to be honest because he would have learnt his lesson. Title: Re: Wearing Double signature (Shan85) Post by: JollyGood on June 01, 2023, 06:30:17 PM I guess the only way we can ever know the answers to your questions is if you (or someone else) were to ask him for an explanation.
From experience it is quite clear when most shady behaviour is called out and questioned there might be some resistance as the culprit tries to save associated accounts from being tagged but eventually they give up on those accounts and start focusing on the other accounts they have farmed for signature campaigns or nefarious purposes. It sucks to see that some members of this forum like shan85 is dishonest and went this far to switch signatures just to get double pay. I don't know what motivated him to come up with such dubious act. Does he really thinks that he can get double pay without anyone noticing this for a very long time or he decided to try his luck without thinking of the consequences of his action. This is my first time to hear of this and I have never thought that one can come up with this. I believe anywhere he is now,he will learn to be honest because he would have learnt his lesson. |
