Wearing Double signature (Shan85)

[FatFork]

Although everyone has their own understanding of sending feedback, including/excluding anyone on their trust list but I think we all need to be more careful when leaving any feedback to anyone.

You've got a point there. Providing feedback, whether positive or negative, should be done with care and supported by evidence and references. However, trust is a subjective thing. What I find to be trustworthy might not be the same for you, and the opposite could be true as well. It's up to you to decide whose feedback you value and whose you take with a grain of salt, and adjust your trust list accordingly.

Just because one good work that happened out of no where, we should not start leaving feedback no matter that is from a DT or none DT member.

Why not? theymos ^{[Trust summary]} has done this on more than one occasion. How many "good deeds" do you think someone needs to make before they earn positive feedback and trust from someone?
No. Each individual's feedback should be evaluated on its own merit, based on the evidence and context provided, regardless of their status within the forum.

[Aanuoluwatofunmi]

Really a good work by @bbigtart.

I wonder how they spotted that user is wearing different signature, hopefully they might be checking each and every user's sig on duelbit campaign sheet; but why? for merits? IMO definitely they deserve much appreciations.

The whole days may be for the thief but one day is for the owner to caught him up, but i still wonder what such an individual is upto for doing such, changing of signature codes and avatar every week, what a deceptive attempt, reading the rules is one of the foremost steps to take before engaging on application while some dont even read them at all, bit in this case, he knows about the rules and intentionally take such decision to cheat on the campaigns he participate on.

He received 3 weeks payment

If your campaign sheet is visible like most other campaigns, probably Sherlock Holmes of this community might have caught this scammer earlier.

These kind of people are the ones that constitute the scam we've been seing ongoing on different platforms, he such user have the opportunity to scam a casino or campaign manager he will.

[UserU]

I guess yes because I've active in this forum for a year and never saw this cheat before.

It's not a new occurrence actually, just that this case managed to fall between the cracks since the payout days for both campaigns are different so the cheater could switch between Duelbits (Tuesday) and BCR (Thursday)

With so many members to handle, campaign managers might find it difficult if a member makes the switch before the tally.

[darkangel11]

It's very unfortunate but such an obvious case it falls to the campaign manager, they're being paid to prevent such basic scam which includes verifying that the user is wearing the signature.

Therefore, @Hhampuz and @Royse777 must compensate the company for the past weeks or at least pay to developer (out of their own money) to create a bot to verify that users in the campaign do not modify them signature during the campaign period, any modification will be sent to the campaign manager.

It depends how you approach this.
What would you say if you were paid to hire people to hand out leaflets every day for a week, and one of the guys would take leaflets from you every day in the morning, hand them out for an hour or 2 and then throw the rest into the bin and go home? Should you be responsible to the company for what happened? Should you stand there and watch the leaflets being distributed every single day for 8 hours?
Managers are there to hire people, prepare signatures, count their posts and distribute payments. They aren't all seeing gods that cannot be cheated and they cannot be there reading people's posts as they make them.

Anyway, I guess I made a bad assumption once again.  I always thought campaign managers used some kind of bot to make sure that participants never changed their signature.  So it would have been possible for someone in the Chipmixer campaign, for example, to change what was in their sig space for a time as long as nobody noticed?  Wow.  I've had the aforementioned assumption in my head for years.

That was the case in campaigns run through automated software. Maybe you remember the old bitmixer campaign run by Lauda, or the yobit campaign that required you to connect your exchange account with your bitcointalk profile ID. If I'm correct, these were actively monitoring if you had a signature.

[SamReomo]

How could someone be so selfish to scam the ones who provide him such great opportunities. The guy thought that he could multiply his income by cheating campaign managers. I don't know that how people can play with someone's trust in that way. The campaign managers of our forum are highly competent and they choose the applicants fairly and still such people take advantage of their kind nature. The guy has lost his own respect and the opportunity that was given to him by the respected campaign managers.

The greed is the main cause of destruction and anyone who follows the path of greed will lose everything.  If he would do his work fairly and had controlled his greedy and scamming nature then he would still be earning a substantial income from this forum. His greed blinded him so badly that he took advantage of those who gave him the opportunity.

Those who give you the opportunity to earn money by fair means with your hard work are the most respect worthy people. Taking advantage of such people is totally a inhumane act, and only those with animal instincts could do such things. In our forum the mangers choose the applicants fairly and allow them to earn a good enough income for their work but still people are so mean.

I don't think that there is any fault of the campaign managers, they have been playing their roles very well. I think it's a lesson for us to learn that some people who have scamming mindsets can go to these extremes without any worries.

Both campaign mangers are professional at their work and have been managing many good campaigns successfully. Everyone should support our campaign managers in such times because they are truly doing a great job for the forum. Thumbs up for Royse and Hhampuz for figuring out such a scam!

[boyptc]

While many are struggling in getting accepted in any campaign for which BCR and Duelbits are great campaigns, shan did wasted the opportunity that was given to him by these two great managers and as well as companies.

With so many members to handle, campaign managers might find it difficult if a member makes the switch before the tally.

AFAIK, they do some random checking for all of the participants. But then shan took advantage of it and he thought that no one will notice it but bbigtart seen it.

Thumbs up for Royse and Hhampuz for figuring out such a scam!

It was figured out by bbigtart and then Royse and Hhampuz responded quickly --> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5280190.msg62253554#msg62253554

[rat03gopoh]

I guess yes because I've active in this forum for a year and never saw this cheat before.

This is new case for bitcoin paid campaign category. In the past I may encounter this kind of underhanded behavior in the token paid bounty category, especially if the manager accepts excessive participant capacity.

And I think that this time greed really overshadowed stupidity.

[SamReomo]

It was figured out by bbigtart and then Royse and Hhampuz responded quickly --> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5280190.msg62253554#msg62253554

In that case thumbs up for bbigtart as well for supporting our campaign managers by reporting the scamming activity of that user. I would still say thumbs up for Royse and Hhampuz for tackling such situation during their management job. Even if bbigtart reported that to the managers and that was a really good step by a responsible member, but the managers also took action against the culprit as soon as they possibly could.

[dkbit98]

LoL
I can understand people are poor and they need money, but I will never understand someone who is cheating and doing stupid stuff like this.

Did anyone saw latest post from Shan85 in Pakistan board?
I will just post it with a title in English since rest of the text is written in his native language.
Use translation for rest of his post or ask someone from Pakistan to help you...

Reply to illegally allegations
...

[Crypto Library]

~snip~

Well done buddy!! And that's why its says,  "Ten days of a thief, one day of a householder."
Hope he's already got the extreme lessons, already his profile is full of red lights and flags. I actually doubt whether he was actually the owner of the account because no wise full member would do this.  I actually think the account was sold to a fool and who is full of greed. Shan85 bro you loose lost of opportunity Such behavior is not expected from a full member. You really should have been careful earlier, many people have done this kind of behavior before and they were red-tagged for it too now you lose both the mango and the sack.

How could someone be so selfish to scam the ones who provide him such great opportunities.

I wouldn't actually call him selfish people, he is actually a stupid person. Otherwise, he would not have slaughtered the hen that laid the golden egg like this.
I really don't understand how this stupid person survived two campaigns so well where already so much competition. From this we should understand that we should never be greedy, sin is death by sin
And "sin does not leave the father". Now again claiming that he has been illegally alleged I think to give another example of his stupidity where all the evidence are lighted like a day he is again claiming that this allegation is illegal.

[SatoPrincess]

This is a whole new level of greed. I think this is the first time such a case has come up, this user definitely deserves a red tag and should be made an example of because he actually obtained bitcoins from the two campaigns by false pretense. What is more surprising is how he managed to stay this long without getting caught. I always assumed that CMs have a bot that notifies them if a participant changes or modifies their signature during the week but it seems that’s not the case.

[Agbe]

But wait oo! Is it possible for a user to wear two signature at the time? Because I only know one signature box in the user profile so how come people are using two signature at the same time. And also the guy did not tried at all. Upon all the warnings from the campaign managers that no participant should wear another campaign signature while in the campaign. And yet some of the participants are still violating that important rule, it's like they think the managers would not find out, this is wrong. What a greedy world. Omo!!! The red tags are much for the guy head. The guy has really committed a crime in the forum. Before a users got 11 reg tags, he has done what is not nice in the forum.

[bbigtart]

This is really an amazing and disgusting scam by cheating Royse777 and Hhampuz he is running two signature campaigns at once and getting paid double. Indeed a user like Shan85 doesn't deserve to be in this forum, he has really ruined the trust Royse and Hhampuz have placed in him. I honestly feel proud after catching the first scam like this. and it turns out that after being traced again he has many accounts, he is really greedy.

[coin-investor]

This is really an amazing and disgusting scam by cheating Royse777 and Hhampuz he is running two signature campaigns at once and getting paid double. Indeed a user like Shan85 doesn't deserve to be in this forum, he has really ruined the trust Royse and Hhampuz have placed in him. I honestly feel proud after catching the first scam like this. and it turns out that after being traced again he has many accounts, he is really greedy.

It happens because those campaigns have different days to count the posts of the participants, so he exploits it, bounty managers' jobs are not really that easy they cannot monitor every participant they concentrated on participants' posts and level of participation in discussions, hats off to you for having a quick eye and details the cheater is a new participant so we're familiar to his profile.
I have some members who have been on campaigns for so many months and years that I became familiar with the signature that they are wearing.

[PX-Z]

But wait oo! Is it possible for a user to wear two signature at the time? Because I only know one signature box in the user profile so how come people are using two signature at the same time. And also the guy did not tried at all.

Simply the user changed the signature when it's the payment day or the day before payment day to fool the managers when counting of posts starts. And he did it for few rounds/weeks without people and the manager noticing, until someone noticed and now, congrats to him/her.

[ultrloa]

This is really an amazing and disgusting scam by cheating Royse777 and Hhampuz he is running two signature campaigns at once and getting paid double. Indeed a user like Shan85 doesn't deserve to be in this forum, he has really ruined the trust Royse and Hhampuz have placed in him. I honestly feel proud after catching the first scam like this. and it turns out that after being traced again he has many accounts, he is really greedy.

It happens because those campaigns have different days to count the posts of the participants, so he exploits it, bounty managers' jobs are not really that easy they cannot monitor every participant they concentrated on participants' posts and level of participation in discussions, hats off to you for having a quick eye and details the cheater is a new participant so we're familiar to his profile.
I have some members who have been on campaigns for so many months and years that I became familiar with the signature that they are wearing.

He take advantage on situation on where campaign managers has a lot of work so since this issue exist where a user cheat on two campaigns maybe this will be a great call to all campaign managers to frequently check their participants so that they will not be cheated as well as the same issues will be avoided to happen in future. This is the first time I see this issue and Shan85 has strong balls to do this  crazy action.

[Josefjix]

I guess yes because I've active in this forum for a year and never saw this cheat before.

It's not a new occurrence actually, just that this case managed to fall between the cracks since the payout days for both campaigns are different so the cheater could switch between Duelbits (Tuesday) and BCR (Thursday)

With so many members to handle, campaign managers might find it difficult if a member makes the switch before the tally.

It was also difficult for any forum members to notice because he was not a reputable member and posted more frequently in his local board, and it appears that he was only making the switch once a week, Bettercaulraul is his main sig and avatar and was only switching to Duebits a few minutes later before post counts and switching it back immediately because Duebits participants are simply too numerous in numbers.

He take advantage on situation on where campaign managers has a lot of work so since this issue exist where a user cheat on two campaigns maybe this will be a great call to all campaign managers to frequently check their participants so that they will not be cheated as well as the same issues will be avoided to happen in future. This is the first time I see this issue and Shan85 has strong balls to do this  crazy action.

Managers are not going to babysit 100+ participants daily just because some assholes want to cheat. there is always a pay day for everyone

[Apocollapse]

It was also difficult for any forum members to notice because he was not a reputable member and posted more frequently in his local board, and it appears that he was only making the switch once a week, Bettercaulraul is his main sig and avatar and was only switching to Duebits a few minutes later before post counts and switching it back immediately because Duebits participants are simply too numerous in numbers.

Your opinion raise an interesting question here, since Shan85 is active in his local board, how can the other users who are active in his local board doesn't realized if Shan85 is participating BetterCallRaul campaign? I think when we're active posting in a same thread, we will be more familiar with other users.

Although all active users in Pakistan board shouldn't be blamed, but I think it's quite suspicious.

[examplens]

It's not incomprehensible English It is Urdu written in transliteration. Yes, it is very difficult to understand and translate. Unless, of course, you are a native Urdu speaker. Only an Urdu speaker can translate this text. No online translator can understand this text. You have to have a native speaker you know to translate this style of writing.

By the way, in the Pakistani thread, another user (ItsCrafty) was recently dismissed from the campaign for plagiarism. He participated in the [banned mixer] campaign run by icopress.

Is there any chance you could translate his last post for us? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=232519.msg62258450#msg62258450

It seems as if he is claiming that these are false accusations, obviously, he doesn't understand English well, and maybe that's why he doesn't write here.

Xal0lex, I see you are a moderator, don't you have some educational topics on the Pakistan board about some basics and norms of behaviour here on the forum? Considering two very bad cases of breaking the rules in the last period.

[elevates]

I am very much concerned on how is it possible for anyone to scam those who are giving for a side hustle opportunity? I hope the BMs are now working to stop such scammers. I would believe that they have taken proper measures to avoid such scams and fraudulent activities.

This individual.being part of the Pakistani board should be a concern. Before him a user from the same board is removed for plagiarism. Such issues are gaining an upward movement from that region. It would be wise if both the named BMs rethink on their hiring structure. I am not blaming everyone from that board but I believe such scams need poper introspection and filtering.