Wearing Double signature (Shan85)

[shasan]

What happened:: The user (Shan85) wearing both signatures of Duelbits signature as well as signature of BetterCallRaul (each before receiving the payment.

Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3411432

Reference Link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SxdEVD6MNn6I_SkSzldLFy5Ssx7IUBO_cpxtWKXj_Jk/edit#gid=276085590

Amount Scammed: about 280$
Payment Method: Bitcoin
Proof of Payment: https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/addresses/btc/bc1q5d3fa52ewajkzd532ejc8wzxleeml2ta9khc08

Additional Notes: Received the payment from duelbit now wearing signature of BetterCaulRaul to receive payment from Bettercallraul


Received negative trust from both campaign manager:


Flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3163
Flag type 3 created by Royse777 : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3164

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[shasan]

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[AB de Royse777]

He received 3 weeks payment from BetterCallRaul.it No KYC Crypto Exchange Signature Campaign campaign. So please add $120 more (0.00422361 BTC).

I am creating a flag.

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Please support.

[Cantsay]

It's been long since I last saw a thread concerning a user that is double dipping in signature campaign the last one I saw was during my early days here on bitcointalk. I thought that act has stopped I didn't realize that some still engaged in it.

I think this is a call for campaign managers to recheck their spreadsheet to see if there are any participants who are engaging in illicit activities. I also think it would be nice if a campaign sometimes during the week just casually goes through the spreadsheet or profile of those I'm their campaign.

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Please support.

+1 supported.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Received the payment from duelbit now wearing signature of BetterCaulRaul

That freaked me out for a second, as a 'caul' is an anatomical term and it made me wonder what the hell that campaign is all about.  Lol.

How did this scunt wind up wearing two signatures long enough to get paid by both campaigns?  Maybe I'm missing something very obvious, but I've always understood that if you're in a campaign and change your signature even briefly, it's noted by the campaign manager....somehow.  I never understood the somehow, but is that not the case?  And if it were as easy as switching sigs and trying to fool managers, we'd be seeing way more of these shenanigans.

[shasan]

I am creating a flag.

Type 3: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3164

Please support.

I have already supported and now it is showing "Warning: Trade with extreme caution!" as I, you and  nakamura12 supporting the flag.

P.s a flag should be created because that account deserves it.

Already created 2 flags one by me and another by the campaign manager Royse777. Hope you will support both flags.

How did this scunt wind up wearing two signatures long enough to get paid by both campaigns?  Maybe I'm missing something very obvious, but I've always understood that if you're in a campaign and change your signature even briefly, it's noted by the campaign manager....somehow.  I never understood the somehow, but is that not the case?  And if it were as easy as switching sigs and trying to fool managers, we'd be seeing way more of these shenanigans.

The user was never informed about the change of the signature (as the user wanted to take double payment) and each time before receiving payment wear the signature of the campaign.

[MinMan]

Really a good work by @bbigtart.

I wonder how they spotted that user is wearing different signature, hopefully they might be checking each and every user's sig on duelbit campaign sheet; but why? for merits? IMO definitely they deserve much appreciations.

He received 3 weeks payment

If your campaign sheet is visible like most other campaigns, probably Sherlock Holmes of this community might have caught this scammer earlier.

[nakamura12]

He received 3 weeks payment from BetterCallRaul.it No KYC Crypto Exchange Signature Campaign campaign. So please add $120 more (0.00422361 BTC).

I am creating a flag.

Type 3: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3164

Please support.

Done +1

P.s a flag should be created because that account deserves it.

Already created 2 flags one by me and another by the campaign manager Royse777. Hope you will support both flags.

I would have quoted the post where this person receiving payment in BetterCallRaul campaign and post here about supporting the flag. Since you already know it then all I can say is "DONE" +1.

He received 3 weeks payment from BetterCallRaul.it No KYC Crypto Exchange Signature Campaign campaign. So please add $120 more (0.00422361 BTC).

I am creating a flag.

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Please support.

It isn't 4 times?. Received payment on April 28 and started on Round 134 (April 25-May 1)on DuelBits after I checked the Spreadsheet.

[bittraffic]

I imagine how he did it like by the time the manager is scheduled to check the post count of Duel participants, he changes his sig to Duel as well and then does the same when it's time for Better Call Raul. That's tight!  This is hard to investigate. I'm speculating @shasan caught him because he catches the username @Shan85 every time on threads.

Now that someone is doing it, it's possible there are other jogglers out there.

[Little Mouse]

WTF! I never thought anyone would think of being such dishonest here. I usually check participants randomly even if it's not a pay day just to make sure everyone is active or not. Have never experienced this until now.

Received the payment from duelbit now wearing signature of BetterCaulRaul

That freaked me out for a second, as a 'caul' is an anatomical term and it made me wonder what the hell that campaign is all about.  Lol.

That's a kind of instant exchange.

How did this scunt wind up wearing two signatures long enough to get paid by both campaigns?  Maybe I'm missing something very obvious, but I've always understood that if you're in a campaign and change your signature even briefly, it's noted by the campaign manager....somehow.  I never understood the somehow, but is that not the case?  And if it were as easy as switching sigs and trying to fool managers, we'd be seeing way more of these shenanigans.

When you are managing a lot of campaigns, it's not possible to check everyone every day to make sure no one is removing signatures. Shan85 took advantage of that. Managers usually check on the weekend and when one manager paid the weekly payment, Shan85 changed into another. It was supposed to be noticed earlier but it took 4 weeks almost.

[bbigtart]

I wonder how they spotted that user is wearing different signature

You are wondering this is the chronology. Certainly not about merit.
It just so happened that my account just went up the FM rankings and I signed up for the Duelbiet signature campaign. I was so excited that I opened Spreadsheet every hour to see if I was accepted or not. I accidentally wanted to see each FM account profile one by one, coincidentally when I opened his profile there I was surprised he didn't use the Duelbits signature but why did I get paid. Curiosity is what makes me want to know more.

[Bitcoin_Arena]

Wow, he must some greedy bastard. He has a lot of alt accounts. I have just uncovered a few.

Binance Account deposit address for payments from different campaigns and alt accounts: 1K32tibtQZpVFUJ9AZJH5Gor8a1LMxyMry

Common traits:
1. The accounts sometimes post in the Pakistan local board
2. Posting style is quite similar when they try to reply to threads
3. Use on deposit address in Binance
4. Use ChatGPT to generate text. So some accounts are banned
5. Aggressively apply for different signature campaigns in a short span of time.


Connection through address: 1K32tibtQZpVFUJ9AZJH5Gor8a1LMxyMry

1. Shan85

bc1qjx8ryt0jxa44k68dn3uhgpt2yhzs6rtw2cw2st ---> 1K32tibtQZpVFUJ9AZJH5Gor8a1LMxyMry https://mempool.space/tx/74133aefaa04cc2a2625af339b2ab570ffbdd10619936e07cb37408e175d1ed9

Bitcointalk Username: Shan85
SegWit BTC Address: bc1qjx8ryt0jxa44k68dn3uhgpt2yhzs6rtw2cw2st
EARNED merit in the last 120 days: 106

2. Uzairjutt275 Red tagged for bounty cheating and promoting 1xbit

bc1q2x3xpx45uvslm9fhjg0emlsjk976shs8qranj9 ---> 1K32tibtQZpVFUJ9AZJH5Gor8a1LMxyMry https://mempool.space/tx/b57644da4cb75fdc9316201f98c7942fbc80014c8eab0f2e5987cdb6d34d342e

Current number of post (Including this one): 449
Rank: Member
Bech32 address: bc1q2x3xpx45uvslm9fhjg0emlsjk976shs8qranj9
Merit earned in the last 120 days: 20

3. jenny56

bc1qjksglf95sunr2m2rtccj6pyqhkfxewaj7x7wkv ---> 1K32tibtQZpVFUJ9AZJH5Gor8a1LMxyMry https://mempool.space/tx/1d39511916dad7c3fa0eb89363b840e5b11fab4125be34e14f43c4a3e9e040a7

Bitcointalk Username: jenny56
Utopia Public Key: 263F0AB153FDFC78819F3C0451F0300F9AD4156DD832A66B52D5B25BF144C63D
BTC Address: bc1qjksglf95sunr2m2rtccj6pyqhkfxewaj7x7wkv
Message Deep Link (Chat link): https://utopia.im/d53b4431fd604e2f0261792444797aa4?tid=432859963119289941
Slot No: 77

4. BlackAdamm

bc1qw2wuhxfjzvtg54lpe3k77x0jzw7f8snmmx3jtw ---> 1K32tibtQZpVFUJ9AZJH5Gor8a1LMxyMry https://mempool.space/tx/54e0bd931164e13b1f6a7ad10f33f0318c8bc6fead3c3020551c702465cfbee0

Your bitcointalk profile link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3513357
Your Twitter profile link: https://twitter.com/BlackAdamm0
Your Twitter audit link: http://twitteraudit.com/result/BlackAdamm0
Your Twitter followers: 3270
Your correct BTC Address: bc1qw2wuhxfjzvtg54lpe3k77x0jzw7f8snmmx3jtw

5. DainSLane Banned

bc1qpeh4yrd9uh3j0z7qpvwx7yjga4fv5uu3khmt0y ---> 1K32tibtQZpVFUJ9AZJH5Gor8a1LMxyMry https://mempool.space/tx/c432a095d4ec42dd38e93faa8f7936852a5a884e40a615f5ed3d1aef3fd6eb12

Bitcoin profile link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1005212
Current amount of posts: 952
Earned merit in last. 120 days: 6
bech32 BTC Address for payouts: bc1qpeh4yrd9uh3j0z7qpvwx7yjga4fv5uu3khmt0y

PS: I believe in the value of your project and would love to contribute my skills to support it. The Signature and Avatar are changed. Thank you for considering my application

[coolcoinz]

WTF! I never thought anyone would think of being such dishonest here.

Don't underestimate them. I've seen people kill for less. Not joking here. There's many places in many countries where you can get stabbed for less than a weekly campaign payment.

He's from Pakistan. The minimum wage there is only $90 a month.
He was getting $160 from one campaign, so he decided to double it by cheating and live a better life.



If anybody is thinking of doing it, it's not worth it. You're going to make some money in the process, if you're lucky, but how much will it be? $100? $200? And then you'll have to make a new account because nobody is going to accept you into a campaign. It's better to build an honest presence on the forum, instead of trying to weasel your way in, to make a few dollars.

[AHOYBRAUSE]

Funny this is coming out now.
I remember some months ago I applied for the duelbits campaign. This was the first time I applied for a campaign here actually.

I didn’t get the spot but this guy did. So I whined   in my local German board a bit how somebody like this, with all his posts coming from 2 threads and all his merit basically coming from one thread gets a spot over other applicants that would fit the criteria much better. Especially since Pakistan is a Muslim country where gamling is haram (forbidden).

I was told the members get chosen carefully. Hmm…..

Anyway, he took a shot at it and got caught. I am surprised he even came into 2 campaigns with this type of posting, not being spread out and all.  

[macson]

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Flag type 3 created by Royse777 : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3164

+1  i support the Flag....

anyway, i can't understand, how can that account not be honest with each campaign manager ^{(hhampuz and Royse777)}, does he think he can fool everyone forever?

he traded his account ^{(got a red flag)} with stolen money he got from duelbits campaign.  members like that don't deserve to be here!!

[aioc]

This is the first time I've seen a member wearing a double signature, it's unethical and this is abuse good that he is caught this early with so many participants attended by bounty managers it's hard to catch this type of person it's good that one of the members caught him.
Now we should be aware of this type of cheater, and we as members should help our managers by checking some of the participants if he is swapping signatures.

Supported both flags.

[shasan]

Funny this is coming out now.
I remember some months ago I applied for the duelbits campaign. This was the first time I applied for a campaign here actually.

I didn’t get the spot but this guy did. So I whined   in my local German board a bit how somebody like this, with all his posts coming from 2 threads and all his merit basically coming from one thread gets a spot over other applicants that would fit the criteria much better. Especially since Pakistan is a Muslim country where gamling is haram (forbidden).

I was told the members get chosen carefully. Hmm…..

Anyway, he took a shot at it and got caught. I am surprised he even came into 2 campaigns with this type of posting, not being spread out and all.  

The spot was filled based on several factors which the guy filled. But unfortunately, the guy is a badly minded person (scammer) that's why did this type of activity. The guy got the punishment and every scammer like this will learn a lesson that those who will do this will be caught and will be tagged negatively.

[Mr.right85]

That's a sly foxy behaviour right there. Like The Sceptical Chymist have noted; Just how did the user got to persist to persist for this long?
I take it that, the user probably was switching between signature and avatar just about enough time before post counting begins.
That's some international dishonesty after being favoured amongst the multitude out here seeking campaigns and there is a rule of one campaign per account yet, here is a user switching between 2 campaigns and getting double pay for a single week's job.

At least, the user ought to have considered the many out here looking out for a campaign to work with and the campaign itself whom are putting out some good money for its promotion to ensure the work is been done properly.

Nope, that wasn't okay!

[The Sceptical Chymist]

That freaked me out for a second, as a 'caul' is an anatomical term and it made me wonder what the hell that campaign is all about.  Lol.

That's a kind of instant exchange.

Man, I am so sleep deprived it's not funny--I thought you were saying a caul is an instant exchange rather than 'BetterCallRaul' (which I find absurd, BTW).  I had to double-check the definition before I realized what you were saying.

Anyway, I guess I made a bad assumption once again.  I always thought campaign managers used some kind of bot to make sure that participants never changed their signature.  So it would have been possible for someone in the Chipmixer campaign, for example, to change what was in their sig space for a time as long as nobody noticed?  Wow.  I've had the aforementioned assumption in my head for years.

Don't underestimate them. I've seen people kill for less. Not joking here. There's many places in many countries where you can get stabbed for less than a weekly campaign payment.

That's definitely a good point, and I've long realized what you said about campaign earnings being so much higher than job wages in countries like Pakistan.  It's probably the main reason why so many people from countries with shit wages come here to earn money.  Aaaaand problems arise....everything from posts in incomprehensible English to cheaters to pretty much anything shady you can imagine.  Crazy.

[usekevin]

Don't underestimate them. I've seen people kill for less. Not joking here. There's many places in many countries where you can get stabbed for less than a weekly campaign payment.

He's from Pakistan. The minimum wage there is only $90 a month.
He was getting $160 from one campaign, so he decided to double it by cheating and live a better life.

Since the Pakistan is the developing country,the minimum wage will be 90$ per month.But to live the better life,he should not work against ethics.He had get the free money from the two different campaign and wicked two reputable managers here.All his altaccount should be found and red tagged.So that other people will not try like this.

If anybody is thinking of doing it, it's not worth it. You're going to make some money in the process, if you're lucky, but how much will it be? $100? $200? And then you'll have to make a new account because nobody is going to accept you into a campaign. It's better to build an honest presence on the forum, instead of trying to weasel your way in, to make a few dollars.

Earning dollars against ethics is not a good one.Shan85 should feel shame on this act.Instead of making money by this way,he can earn some from forum and some from real job.He also misused the chance of many participants who had good posts and no chance to join the campaign.The amount of dollar he had scammed is not a matter,because even 10 dollars scam is a scam.