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The essence of this topic is not to discourage anyone from doing the right thing especially the newbies but just to advise them on some certain things which they have failed to understand. It is not right to see a newbie account with 2 activity and zero merit advising people in the forum on the right investment to choose while investing in bitcoin especially when making the first post here. Even though you have knowledge of cryptocurrency before finding your way to the forum I think you ought to follow the due process by learning more about the things of the forum instead of teaching things you no nothing about, the forum is a place of learning no one is forcing you to teach things you don't have ideas of so don't worry about wanting to be noticed rather strive to learn faster so you can be noticed when you come out with your quality post.

I decided not to include links to some funny post of some newbies because some of them will take it as an insult instead of a motivation and I am open for any correction if I have gone too far trying to encourage them.

Or worse — sometimes we have users with zero merits trying to teach people how to make quality posts and how to earn merits the right way. Like, lmao. Every time I see those kinds of posts this is the thing that always comes to my mind:

It is certainly a good advice to be well knowledgeable before one intends on empowering others with that knowledge because an in-depth understanding of a topic will only lead to spreading of wrong information by the person. But I am also against the idea that you must have some certain number of merits or posts before marking a contribution. When you are actually experienced on a certain topic and you feel the forum needs that advice then it is not bad to create a thread on it even if it is your first post. I will give an example of a member here; PowerGlove, he created the thread on implementation of gotcha with splits keys (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5404004.msg60437621#msg60437621) which was actually is first and was a great addition to the forum.

Although the user is quite different. Other members that jump into creating almost meaningless are just after merit fishing and they feel creating threads is the way to that.

When I was without a merit I wanted to make this same mistake even when I know nothing but I got orientation from my senior colleagues here that made me to retrace my step, what most of lack is orientation, I got the knowledge that it is more better for us as newbies to read and make more research on everything we think that will help us and and other members of this forum to learn before we make contributions or even teach forum members, As the name implies that's what it is, A newbie is novice with little or without a knowlegde of Bitcoin or Cryptocurrency in general as far as Bitcoin talk is concerned so you ought not to teach when you know nothing, is just like walking faster than your shadow, am very impressed with this thread and I will adhere strictly to this piece of advice as I see it thanks.

Indeed, you can’t teach what you don’t know. And I quite agree with you. In a bid to gain some attention or perhaps some other bizarre reason, people with freshly created account tend to try and educate other members on topics that they’re ignorant about.
I’ve come across some really interesting posts that has no relevance whatsoever as some are even incomprehensible to begin with.

If a newbie/anyone who really wants to learn, then they should read threads on here and ask questions on whatever isn’t fully understood.
People, who in a bid to show off and tell the world about how really smart and intelligent they are end up showing off their ignorance and low intellect.

They think that giving an advice is a form of contribution in the forum since this is what we are always suggesting when someone ask on how to earn merit. It’s either giving mediocre advise or creating a made up story about Bitcoin that involves their personal life is the common way of newbie nowadays to fish for merit. I’m not saying that this bad too but this newbie is just finding a way to use this for their advantage even if their contribution is not authentic or legit.

They are just chasing merits tho.

I don't find it wrong if a newbie wanted to share a very important knowledge as long as they really have knowledge over the topic being discussed.  A newbie here can be a guru outside this forum and has bountiful knowledge about the topic he wanted to discuss.  As long as the thread of the newbie is constructive, innovative and full of new information, it will certainly helps  the members in the forum to have more knowledge about the given topic.

The problem with newbies today that creates topic very often is that almost all the topic were already discussed.  That is when we really not need that topic instead, if that newbie wanted to discuss a topic that is existing and was not created very long ago, is just reply on that existing topic and put his insight or ask question on that existing topic than creating new.

Yeah, I agree with you, but despite it, we know that knowledge is not measured by the number of merits earned or posts made. Some people have the knowledge already before they hit the forum, just like you said, and some of them have this great enthusiasm to just drop the knowledge they have all in haste. Well, it's good, but at the same time, it's wrong, and some people may not find it funny, while others will see it as nothing. But by right, when someone comes on the forum, I think the first thing to do is read through the rules, contribute to other conversations, ask questions where necessary, and maybe create a topic on some past experiences and what they think about them. They could also ask the community what they also think, but coming on the first day to just create a topic like "how to make money in Bitcoin" will be a very weird thing.

You can't give out what you don't have. The forum is the best place to gain knowledge on bitcoin and crpytocurrency at large,through discussions on topics created by forum members. A newbie might have taken his time to have little knowledge on bitcoin and when s/he register here,they will want to let the community know that they have an idea on bitcoin. Through their contributions,if they are wrong,immediately that person will be corrected and from there they have learnt something. It is easy to contribute on advise of getting merits,because if you have checked all the topics on how to get merits. you will notice that it is the same replies that is given over and over again by different forum members. A newbie can read through posters contribution and from there understand what to write but in his own pattern,because he has seen that it is the same information that is given in different writing. If they only learn without contributing,how will they earn merits. However,some newbies just post off topic to farm for merits because they have known that merits have benefits attached to them.

Lol I almost fell down from the sofa seeing this funny image. I see a lot of the post here too but I just ignore most of them because once they get tired and they don't see the merit they are looking for, they will disappear and never come back. How can someone teach what he or she has no knowledge about? I think most of them only come here to catch some fun and nothing serious.

Most newcomers believe that starting such discussions to educate others is what constitutes a quality post. That is why they will go online and look for some instructions with the intention of bringing them here for credit and recognition, not realizing that quality engagement in discussion, as well as asking some attractive and essential questions, can gain them some merit.

Although some of the beginners are really good and have valuable contributions to the community, they are recommended to stay and learn about the forum before offering all of the tips they believe will be useful.

Understanding the forum is essential for success in this forum, as being active will give you the confidence to interact in it.

Just as OP clarified some newbies are knowledgeable about Bitcoin before they joined the forum we cannot assume that they don't have the right to teach. I usually encourage some newbies that come up with interesting topics. One of these newbies even confirmed that he has been studying the forum for a long time without even logging in or trying to respond to any post. And from his post content, it was clear he has done a lot of reading.

Like OP said some newbies have zero knowledge about what they are talking about and this can be discovered by the content they post. I have seen one that wants to lecture members on how to create quality posts will the post was so badly written. Newbies need to know that until you learn you cannot teach. Some of them are driven by the desire to make their first post and earn some merits. The newbie stage should be a time of reading more and writing less. This forum is like a school that has different levels and until you show that you have learned in your present class you cannot move to the next class. Newbies need consistent learning and patience to succeed on this forum.

I saw this post and I laughed because I have seen so many newbies trying hard to advise tye forum on some certain things which they ought not to do. Although it does not mean that all newbie account meant that they don't know anything about Bitcoin or about the reality of life but it would be funny and surprisimg to see newbies trying to advise people on making the right investment plan that shows a big misconception.

 Sometimes newbies might be forced to try hard to earn merit by making post about the proper steps people need to take to earn merits or write a good post. They don't need to advise people or pass some information that may be surprising how a newbie knows about that kind of information.

To stop teaching when you need to learn should be a basic principle for everyone. Unfortunately, it is less common than we'd like, here in this forum but also everywhere else. Ego and ignorance about their own ignorance play a decisive role in such "human" behaviour.

As some colleagues said before, in our case it is not just a matter of rank. Of course, there are many newbies who have no clue about Bitcoin or crypto but they write as they knew more than others, but there are also alt accounts or brand new members here who gained experience elsewhere and now joined the forum.

I get that these are not the cases OP means, but as he mentioned activity and merits I think that a little aside won't hurt.

Excluding one, they can advise anyone if they are really experienced users on investing but have never been on forums.

Basically they don't break the rules, but some people might not think it's worth it the first few days.
I don't completely agree with you in this case. Some beginners can be treated differently when they have better knowledge than some other users.

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I can not stop laughing this is a typical example of a newbie advising people on how to trade when they have no trading portfolio with no reputation onboard.
They have no audience, no activities, not reasonable posts and contributions, no merits and they want to teach their seniors 1 plus 1.

They will stop it if we don't give them merit for such zero quality topics. They continue do it simply because they learned from other posters and topics that they can fish 1 or some merits.

With them, fishing merits is all they care, not quality not contributions from what they write. They think of merit before they write those topics that limits idea for their writing.

It seems that people who opted to do this do not think of leaving a good impact to their viewers. As long as they will be paid in every content, that just shows that their greed is too high for their own knowledge. Most especially for newbies who need the most knowledge more than their greed because if they can’t be knowledgeable enough, then they will never last longer in the forum, nor in making their life successful. That is why knowledge is power, since everything starts with knowledge before you think of influencing others.

True. People who are less knowledgeable or no knowledge at all should never be seen educating others as it could only affect and leave negative impact to those who were being taught. Instead, newbies should learn to improve their own knowledge first and develop their own skills before they become reliable and reputable in sharing what they know to other people. So know when to teach and influence other people, so that you will be acknowledged based on you shared thoughts and initiatives and not on your eagerness to influence others.

You are right. We shouldn't just picture Who the advice is coming from but what is important is to capture what the content of the advice is, if it is write or wrong. Even in the real life the people who give advice about life and even about marriage does not have or practice what they give to the public. So it doesn't mean that they should be looked down because of what they teach does not work for them, what is just important to just pick up the important information and learn from it.

But some beginners still needs to learn first before they give out what will be helpful to other members of the forum, because good knowledge can only be give out by learning. Since the forum is a discussion forum it doesn't restrict newbies from sharing their opinions, it is possible to come across who have not learn enough and want to share their ideas about the little they know, doing this it can also help them to learn more from senior forum users that will correct their wrong ideas

We have become accustomed to this type of posts made by newly made accounts, and we know that the main goal of them is to obtain Merit points in order to upgrade membership and join one of the signature campaigns. I regret to inform you that this appeal that you are making will not work in anything, and the situation will continue as it is, since the membership upgrade system on the forum is not within the reach of many, especially the idiot ones Lol.
By the way, there are similar cases in the loan section, where new accounts try to pretend to be smart to argue with those who seek to convince them that the forum is not a place to distribute money for free. It ends up being red tagged by DT at best cases .

Loooool   ;D
This image made my day. Thank You mk4  :D

 ;D ;D ;D I must say, you have quite the sense of humor! Indeed, sometimes if we find funny posts and funny pictures that make us smile to ourselves. However, I assure you that there are also plenty of serious and knowledgeable individuals here who are genuinely trying to provide valuable insight and are involved.

Maybe there are times as you say because Every member of the community has different intentions and goals. Some may come here for fun, while others have a serious intention of sharing knowledge and engaging in useful discussions. One of them may be me.

You still keep doing the same. You are still without merit; having five merits says little. I followed your history; you don't listen to advice.
The presence of punctuation marks in a sentence will not indicate your literacy. You were advised to use dots in sentences, just like capital letters. But there is no change.
In addition, this is not the first time you repeat the same thing about how beginners should behave.
In the end, start with yourself.

Seriously, I don't think it really makes sense to see newbies that have just created their accounts for a few days come up with ideas to give advice to other members, especially when creating threads to give advice. The funniest part is that they will introduce themselves at first post by saying that they are newbies and they know nothing about Bitcoin or cryptocurrency in general and are ready to learn, but a few days later they will just come up with a new thread advising others. It is not bad for newbies to give advice in the forum, but what will make someone's post get attention is to contribute important things, not just go around the forum, pick topics that other members have discussed before, change some words, and repost. If any newbies want to make quality posts, they really need to spend some time in the forum and learn so they can be guided properly. What are I am always expecting from newbies most  that just created accounts? It always questions on any part they don't understand about Bitcoin and the cryptocurrency industry.

As it is believed that there is wisdom in listening more than talking. So also is reading more in this forum. Cultivating the Habits of reading more enables us, mostly the newbies to learn much more from the high rank members of the forum that have been here for long.

What about your first thread you created in this forum?


Your account registered since March 09, 2022 and this thread was created on March 14, 2022, but you know about the forum rank and guide the newbies to rank up by taking such right steps ::)

It's better if you look into yourself before creating a new thread.

Now I really curious why there are two newbie accounts meriting @OP account instead of other valuable thread :P

And how many posts and merits will be sufficient and correct? 3 posts and 1 merit? 1376 posts and 396 merits? You know, I now have a little more posts and merits than 2 and 0 respectively, but I still do not feel entitled to recommend anyone how to invest correctly. And from a change in the number of posts and merits, this feeling does not change at all. Yes, since I had 2 posts and 0 merits, I have already managed to learn a number of new things for myself on the forum, but most of what I can say now, I knew when I had 2 post and 0 merits. It is not my own posts and merits that give me new knowledge, but immersion in various topics and articles.


As Socrates said, "I know that I know nothing". It is difficult to deal with your own delusions if you do not express them publicly and do not receive feedback indicating the error. If you are afraid to share your knowledge for fear of making a mistake, you can build all your knowledge on erroneous grounds. There are enough experienced users on the forum who can fix the error, right?


And for some reason it looks exactly like that you want to discourage newbies.

Some of them just get those idea on google and try to paste here becausw they just want to earn merit. They didn't realize that this is not the best thing to do since they are not actually helping especially if they cannot answer on the clarification im the post by some people here. Maybe they should focus to learn since for sure there wants to gain those merits will just come.

This issue is amongst the reasons why newbies aren't making it here. For real Bitcointalk is not a forum you try to play on people's emotions, that's what all those type of post by newbies are all about.

I still think it's wrong to make a post about you learning the rules and regulations and you would follow it or the one that a newbie formed an anthem for newbies. I don't know where all this began from but honestly it's not working, and it can be so irritating that the newbies who post this sort of things can get put on ignore by some members.

Funny enough the members who has the merit rarely talk about how to get them but those who does not think they can actually be in the position to talk about it. as a newbie you part now is to improve yourself, focus on getting personal knowledge and find a way to contribute properly.

While what you said is true, let's not forget that there are newbies who have impacted themselves with the knowledge of crypto before joining the forum. They only appear as a newbie in the forum not as a newbie in the crypto knowledge and exposure.

Some newbies have already gotten crypto knowledge elsewhere(social media platforms or the internet) before advancing to the stage they were to be advising other people on what to do or what to do in the crypto space. I have some crypto influencers I have been following off this forum, for quite some time, if you hear them speak or lecture you about crypto, you will marvel at where they got all the knowledge of crypto from. Such types of people can find their way through a friend that will introduce them to this forum by letting them know how the btt forum is(sharing information and lecturing people about crypto) and they might decide to join the forum to dish out their advice to the forum members in a way they can through their few posts.

Having said that, every one of us is free to dish out advice about bitcoin in a manner we can. Whether a newbie or not. We are all here to learn from one another. Being a newbie is for btt accounts not mainly on the amount of crypto knowledge to be judged with

It's not bad or wrong to teach someone who are interested about something like Crypto and other related topics but I would say that it is bad if what that person is teaching to someone is not the correct information or should I say misinformation then that's an issue or situation that we don't want to happen but there are newbies who are already knowledgeable about the topic and some are present here in the forum where the only that makes them newbie is about the rank while their knowledge is not on a newbie level.

Hahaha... Your writing is very to the point. But that's good, maybe many newbies want attention, I'm the same. Of course, everyone talks about the quality of posts, but there are still a lot of comments that are full of nonsense and repetitive.

But that's how discussions go, there should always be something to discuss, I'm actually worried that everyone will be smart. There probably won't be any more discussions

Secret tips indeed. :D ;D this is so funny its been a while a laugh this hard. It just demonstrates that the YouTube account's owner certainly wants views and followers, even though the tactic is extremely amateur. This is the same as what newbies do, by this point, they ought to be aware that this tactic is ineffective and that they must step up their game if they hope to succeed. Instead of posting and attempting to educate their fellow newbies, they should concentrate on learning and expanding their knowledge. They should ask questions about topics they don't understand and participate in discussion threads that advance their understanding.

Beginners try to become teachers for everyone, even though they themselves still don't have enough knowledge. he also had no audience. People saw him just because he did something ridiculous, not to say he was the best. Beginners who really understand and are serious will not become an impromptu advisor.

What you said could be likened to a story I heard about a particular man who has been jobless for many years and have been relying on the charity of others to survive, wrote a book titled "How to create wealth and be financially independent." He approached his neighbour and asked him to buy the book and the neighbour replied him to go read the book he wrote first. It's funny sometimes when I see posts or topics of some newbies dishing out advice on a particular subject when they have zero knowledge about it. The truth is you cannot give what you don't have. I'm not trying to belittle anyone or saying that all newbies are the same because merit or ranking cannot be used as a yardstick to judge how knowledgeable one is, but some of them should not be hasty, rather take some time to read and learn.

I do not accept the idea of a newbie not sharing his or her own idea on how to invest in bitcoin or trying to advise a new investor on how to invest because many newbies here has been on the bitcoin world outside this bitcointalk forum and many people are a strong investor that has invested for a long time now so bitcointalk newbies that have been an investors can share there own lite knowledge about bitcoin, everyone in this forum should share there own ideas about bitcoin so others can aquare more knowledge.

You can’t chase for merits if you are not capable enough, especially for newbies who are clearly less knowledgeable and even less experienced in the forum. Although sharing is a good thing, but know when to give an advice or when not to. And I believe for newbies, they should focus first on acquisition of knowledge and development of their skills and strategies and once they’re reliable enough, maybe they could start giving advices to their peers.

Smart people have way more things to discuss and its not repetitive since they can have a full arsenal of topics and insights.  If two smart minds meet, they end up with lots of new ideas and more topics to discuss.


This forum is open for all insights, ideas and questions, though they need to be publish on their right discussion board.  So I also don't mind if a newbie create a topic and share his knowledge as long as it is not the same as the recently created topic.


Even if you are capable if the merit holder don't want you to give merit, you can't get one  ;D.  But of course we should continuously participate in a discussion as long as we don't spam and contribute to the thread,  merit will find its way to us.

Newbies are not expected to teach and influence other people as their knowledge is still limited. They lack knowledge and experience to share that will convince the people. Instead, they are obliged to acquire more reliable information first and develop some self strategies and skills so that they can be good teachers and influencers in the future. Although I believe sharing what you learn is a noble act, but note that newbies are not capable to do that, just give that chance to those who have been here in the market for long.

Op you are right but there some newbies that in the forum are not newbies in knowledge about bitcoin of any other Cryptocurrencies. They are just new in the forum but not in the cryptocurrency ecosystem. Some people them are much more better than even some of the top rank Members here. 

And if the forum rules limited them to teach then they have to obey the rules but if it is not then I don't see any reason of stopping them if they can deliver the knowledge very well. Because in knowledge, nobody is perfect.

I want newcomers to understand that not all threads are necessary here for them to discuss on, and that someone should do more research about something before bringing it up to the forum, even though you are not expected to do so as a beginner when you are also looking for a way to learn from the more experienced forum members. I believe some newcomers believe that creating a topic in the forum is a way of gaining merits but yeah it need to be meaningful, which is why I believe most beginners create threads Before they establish a post, this is why they perceive it as difficult when they wish to build a significant issue and then offer it that way, however I think some still lack guarding.

Although they are newbies, that consistently post meaningful posts to the forum. Despite this, however, merits do not come for only forum contributions. In my opinion, exchanging thoughtful, beneficial suggestions is another approach to acquire merits that will advance one's rank.

We all know that a newbie account in this forum doesn't always mean a beginner in crypto. Someone may be experienced enough, but he just joined bitcointalk forum. I'm sure there are many professional traders or investors who aren't involved with bitcointalk forum. They may focus on their own business and aren't interested to join discussions in a crypto forum. So, I've no problem if a newbie shares tips or advice for crypto investment or trading. But if a newbie shares tips or advice about improving post quality or the best way to get merits, it is surely weird/strange. How can a newbie with a few posts only, understand something specific in this forum? It doesn't make sense. I can agree that a newbie needs a process to know everything about this forum. :)

It’s actually a real talk for newbies as they are not supposed to act as if they know, when they have nothing important to share in reality. I believe it’s more of a pride and maybe greed. So I think as much as possible, newbies should avoid educating others, but instead educate theirselves first by being open minded so they can easily absorb everything that they need to acquire and learn. After that, when they’re good and reliable enough, they can always take time to teach other people those important things that newbies need to know.

A very good advice Op!
Some newbies pretend they know much and always advice their fellow newbies and sometimes they tend to advice some established members too. But we have nothing to worry about because every action has its consequence. Most of such newbies end up in people's ignore list.

However, this does not mean that there are no professional newbies. Any newbie that is pro in bitcoin, trading, mining, altcoins etc are free to give advices or teach even on their first day. The community will appreciate

This is hilarious. I don't have a problem if a newbie comes up with something I have never heard before or that is important to learn. Rank should not matter in this case. But, If someone is a newbie in forum rank and wants to teach others how the forum works, that's fascinating and affords to catch some merits. As I said, there are many talented people with newbie forum rank who have coding skills and other skills which may help others get rid of issues. I appreciate their help if they create a solution thread or post. BTW, where did you get this meme? I have seen this YouTuber, and he is proud of this meme. Now he got some subscribers. I hope people won't call you Bengali because you posted this.

I agree with your opinion, because if we don't know, don't force yourself to answer. so just answer what we know.

but this is a discussion forum so of course we are free to express opinions, with quality opinions.

but of course op YOU don't worry because there are moderators who will of course delete posts that are not useful.
and in my opinion a beginner must also be confident in expressing opinions, because of course everyone's opinion is different.

but op something that you convey is of course a good thing because we really have to maintain the quality of posts in this forum.

Reading this make me sick and maybe op might be right but that does not mean that all newbies are ignorant of the cryptocurrency market. This is just a community where you can decide or not to create an account and participate in the community building and sharing different opinions. Not everyone is interested in this so if a newbie gives his own opinion about the general aspect of investment and what it could entails, that should be seen based on there knowledge and experience the person has so far not on the rank or level in the community.

No one should see a newbie as a juvenile writer or someone that has no concrete knowledge about some certain things, whether investment or not. If the community is opened to everyone so we should know that we're liable for anything we write here and going to bear the consequences if it's against the rules and it's guidelines.
Nice try op!

Indeed, sometimes it's funny to see the posts of beginners in which they broadcast like experienced gurus. In theory, this could actually be because we don't know the background of accounts with 2 activities and 0 merit. In real life, this may indeed be people with fairly extensive knowledge and experience, but in practice, most often, these advisers turn out to be not quite experienced experts. This can be seen from the content of their texts. It's good that OP raised this topic for discussion, because this problem takes place on the forum and I would like that after reading the comments here, newcomers stop pretending to be crypto-gurus (for some, this is simply necessary). It is better to concentrate on enriching your knowledge, instead of teaching others (especially when there is no necessary knowledge for this).

Well that could be true for some newbies. But I have also seen other newbies trying to influence other people and act like as if they know everything when the fact is they only have less knowledge and real experiences in the market. That should never be encouraged in the first place. Although sharing information is never bad, but what makes it bad is you are miseducating the person who also believe that what you tell him are all based on facts and reliable enough.

Most newbies who teach even when they don't actually know what they are talking about often get banned. Do you know why? Lovesmayfamilis is that one person that points it out. As she will always say in ban appeals that the victims wanted to show that they are actually more intelligent than they are. The only way to do this is to copy random texts from online and pass them as theirs.
If actually they don't do this, how will they maintain their tutor standards in the forum.
There is actually nothing bad in being opened to learning.

Newbies should focus first on acquiring new concepts in the crypto market before they will be reliable enough to teach others so that their teachings will be based on facts and are not misleading. And to think that you cannot share something relevant when you have nothing important to share in the first place so always chose to learn first for yourself before others will learn from you. That is how teaching and learning takes place.

I'm a newbie, and I want to learn how things work around here. Please you can advise me on the right part to take, and also I need to be guided on the type of post to make as a newbie

yes, this forum is a place for open discussion and in my opinion there is no problem if beginners teach something to other members. as long as the advice or opinion is reasonable and correct why belittle them as a beginner.
This forum is for open discussion and if someone gives advice whether they are beginners or not and it is their right to give suggestions or their opinions, beginners do not mean that they have no experience at all.
but sometimes it's a bit strange if a beginner teaches forum techniques that they shouldn't fully understand. but once again I think even beginners have the right to give advice according to their abilities.

this is hilarious, he's teaching what he can't apply..

But most times what the teach tend to benefit other users, life has different approaches, the approach I embrace may work for me and not for you, so its best to find your motivation and stay put at it.

While some people come up with idea that is not cogent and not reasonable enough is because of they are inquisitive to earn merit, from my understanding you most learn and make a proper research before coming up with idea, every one knows while they in rush to make thread is because of merit earning which is obvious, some newbie have ideas of cryptocurrency before joining forum while some don't have the idea, so to learn better you have to read and observe the community before making any reply

I agree with this. If the person is contributing to Bitcoin or something related to it in general then it's fine. If it's a contribution to economic stuff and life, the world, politics, etc, then it's fine. One thing I've really admired about this forum is that despite the ranking system, you can learn from anybody.

The problem comes when the person is making advice about things on the forum when he is just new to the forum. You can't be advising people to make quality posts when you've not had a single activity period. Telling people how to get merit when you've not had a single merit. It's absurd, except that's an alt account.
A person might be a guru in Bitcoin trading and be a newbie on the forum, so if that kind of person is making a piece of advice on trading then it's perfectly fine, (that's what we're here for; to learn), but being a guru in trading doesn't mean he knows all about the forum to the extent of teaching others about stuff like that.

Nothing wrong if they share some idea but they also need to support their thread if someone ask them about what they shared. If they just post an information without visiting it and just target to earn a merit then this is really wrong because provably nothing happen to their development if they became a merit whore.

Best if they could just more helpful things for their selves and maybe stop engaging on situations that they don't know.

Its good to focus for a while on informations you need to learn because this could give them a big help so that they could learn a lot of things on crypto.

As a newbie, it is assumed that you are new onboard the platform so therefore, you have no idea how the system works and as a matter of fact, since this platform is all about bitcoin, same thought is applicable in both ways.  Although some newbies are not what you think they are, some have vast  experience in Crypto currency and bitcoin and would want to show it here but would be talked down at. So the best way to avoid such is to remain a newbie, and learn about the forum and policies so as to keep updated of events and activities.
In as much as some newbies are knowledgeable enough, they would have no option than being cool  until they rank up.

I don't think there's a problem with it. Being a newbie here in the forum does not necessarily mean being a newbie in real life. What if an expert in investing in real life were to join the forum to share their knowledge and learn at the same time? I believe that would change your perspective on your statement. Therefore, I think we should not generalize and always believe that anyone can share or provide advice regarding investments, regardless of their forum status.

In reality, there are individuals who hold legendary ranks in the forum but have limited knowledge when it comes to investment.

Actually, this is not wrong, as long as they really understand what they are telling or teaching. If they have a little knowledge that is understood and is willing to share it in good, organized, and easy-to-understand language and the essence of which is correct and appropriate, not plagiarism, this is really not a problem. especially if it is fairly new information. This will be an attraction in itself.

However, that is the ideal condition, While what happened is true as the OP said. And it's not even just 1 or 2 that do, but many more. So, it is true that we need to understand first before teaching something to others. Sharing or teaching something that we really understand and is in our realm, not just pretending to know in order to get a prize or merit from other people.

Oops  :D :D

You've salient points there. We do have users like that who already are knowledgeable in Bitcoin coming in here. However, what I don't find funny about such users is their haste to open topics and teach like there's something at stake if they don't teach. Ordinarily, one would expect a certain level of restraint from such newbies so they can observe how things are run here before displaying whatever knowledge they think they've acquired. It's even worse when such users unwittingly display their lack of indepth knowledge on the said issue they purport to teach. I think newbies shouldn't be in a haste to prove anything if they're truly genuine newbies.

The problem with some newbies is that in every little knowledge that they start to acquire, they already act as if they know the rest so they can be acknowledged and applauded by other members. That is a very wrong mindset because we are not competing here for a reward, but rather we are here to share what we genuinely know so that others may benefit as well. Except for few professional newbies who really know what they are talking about.

I actually aggreed with you OP, I have also seen so many newbies posting how to invest and how investment works, I can't help but wonder how a beginner will be mentoring a member about crypto investment, irrespective of how much a newbie thinks he knows about crypto outside, but in this forum there are people who knows better, everyone in here starting as a newbie and not because they had no knowledge about crypto before coming to this forum, but they focusses on knowing how the forum works and to learn more about crypto before advice could be given from them.

This is not to discourage newbies not to teach and share what they have learned, but this is more of a realization that newbies should focus more on acquiring the best of knowledge and develop their full potentials first before they start considering others to learn from them. Although I have no regrets when I did this before, but I realized I can only teach and give the best to them if I have the best knowledge and skills that I have developed within in myself.

As an individual, your eagerness to help and share what you have is always our best asset. But did you know that we can only give and best influence others if we are giving them the best version of us. That is the reason why newbies instead of teaching other newbies to learn, just focus on yourself first. Be more encourage to learn and embrace new ideas that will help you grow as an individual and as a member in the forum. Otherwise, your best potentials will never be seen in you especially if your focus is on other people and not on yourself.

The simple mistakes that newbies keep making .. I thought it was right to allow them Since the rules on speech liberty gives a huge liverage on anyone that's atleast, registered in here.
Sometimes, they feel they know too much already to be corrected or informed on what to do....that's where it becomes a crime to tell a member on a lower rank what not to do; I always say, it's better to read more than write.
There's no experience that a newbie would ever have more than a long standing member in here - as long as BTT is in the picture. The more you stay in here and study the interface, the more you become confident of what you do.

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You are correct mate. When you continue to familiarize with the platform, you get to know more about te platform and how to go about activities here but these newbies are not really patient enough to follow guidelines. They assume they know everything even when they know nothing about the platform even with the newbie tag on them which should tell them where they belong, they still do not see that.
Irrespective of who the newbie account holder is, as long as it is a newbie account, one should know how to compose themselves and learn and not to start creating any form of awareness here.

This is indeed very strange, sometimes there are beginners who share tips or advice just to get merit, moreover, they really don't understand the Bitcointalk forum at all and don't have the level of experience or knowledge of crypto. if there are beginners with little knowledge give advice or tips about the technical aspects of this forum, such as improving the quality of posts or how to earn merit. this may seem unreasonable and indeed he should stop behaving like that. Beginners should spend more time studying and reading the forum rules before trying to provide advice or tips.

But there are also some beginners who may be more experienced but he just joined this forum, maybe he used to only focus on traders or investments. if it's like this it doesn't mean he doesn't have knowledge or understanding about certain aspects of the crypto world. If so, I think there is nothing wrong with teaching or sharing his knowledge and experience in this forum. moreover, he really understands about Development & Technical, this is very good for sharing information.

Yes you are right, and I think it is very easy to identify a newbie with lot's of experience in bitcoin and the other sections that you mentioned but regardless the person will still need some time to go through the forum unless he or she has been involved in a community like bitcointalk else I don't think the person will be able to teach the things that he knows very well for members to understand since it involves writing.

I also think it will appear suspicious to see an account that is a day old in the forum to teach things here especially on the bitcoin discussion board don't you think some members will think the person is an old member ho is trying to build a new alt account since such person has acquired so much knowledge? think about it.

It’s really funny to see some newbies acting like they are highly knowledgeable as legends in the forum. And worst is they end up teaching their co-newbies who are both inexperienced and are less knowledgeable. I just hope that this will serve as an eye opener to them that they are not supposed to teach unless they have gained enough knowledge and experience whom they can share to the newbies in the future. Teaching is good but only for those who have the resources to make it realized.

;D oh gosh this cracked my ribs.

Reminds me of a seminar I attend some time ago about how to make good investments that can make you rich at most a year. Few minutes after the seminar as I was leaving while in a cab, I spotted the speaker from the seminar along the way going home on foot. That's was when I realized myself remembering the acknowledgement that says you can't give what you don't have. In same vein that's how some of our newbies present themselves in the forum through their funny threads.

You can't underestimate someone because is a newbie, the newbie that is encouraging other newbies maybe newbie in account of bitcointalk but in knowledge of cryptocurrency is wiser and understandable than someone who is in bitcointalk for one year, I wanted to use this and create a thread but I thought people have made such thread before. We should not underrate anyone who making suggestions of they know because the rank is a lower rank, read the content if its not meaningful you can pass judgement and criticism on the person, currently I have seen a recent newbie in the forum that know better than someone that spent three years in forum, and many people are wondering if the person is someone alt or not, so it may because of the knowledge of the person acquired before coming to forum

This is one of the reasons why things are easily said than done. Just imagine a newbie teaching on how to gain large view bit still don't have a reasonable views. We need to be wise and think well before writing to teach especially for the newbies who are supposed to be learning not trying to teach to earn merits. Those who understand the consequences of passing wrong information to the public in the name of teaching will understand more especially when they have been a victim one time or the other. It is good we keep learning even though when we know more than the source of the information.

No one is underrating  newbies because it is possible for some to be a newbie with good knowledge of Bitcoin but I believe the first step should be for the person with knowledge to calm, go through the forum and understand the necessary things first before coming up to teach things that has already be discussed here but that could be in a new way but I still think a newbie with such knowledge should also understand that teaching people things when your account shows that you just got registered few days ago, do you think people will comfortably listen to you without feeling some how? I think it's wise by getting to explore the forum very well and get to know the rulles before you think of creating multiple thread.

People currently once they learn they think they overcome all the things they need to learn in the world of crypto. Most likely when it comes to an investment, they know some of the investors trying to make a risk in the shitcoins and they courage the newbies to try this too because they know it could be easy money once they hit an early but at the end they didn't make a profit instead they caught with the honeypot trap and even them didn't make a high amount on their investment and trades with this coins.
There's nothing wrong in exchanging details and information but being too much superior with others and getting settled with the knowledge in crypto does not make you more knowledgeable. We are in technology and there's always an innovation.

It has been really fun reading through the whole content of this thread as I have seen so many funny comments and replies from users.

But I would like to point out the case of many alt accounts created by users to actually surf the forum for better chances of getting benefits here in the forum @campaign services.

There is popular case of an actual user accused of having many alts and although I don't how true this is but I would like to think that these account will be well sound in many forum discussion since the users has already gained knowledge here about the happening in the forum, and plus most newbie are actually crypto gurus before ever finding their way to the forum.

But in all, a large portion of newbie here still fall victims of the actual topic discussed here and its totally understandable why  the op would point this out.

Ha, finally someone talk about this, I was about to create something like this, because the way newbies are stepping too forward this days are getting annoying, and at the end of the day you will find out that they don't even know much about what they are saying, instead of trying to learn they are the ones doing the teaching, I remember when I first came on this forum, I can't recall how many times my topics are base on questions only, because I don't know many things and I needed answers, which is how I pictured things to be, if you are new on the forum, stay new for a while and learn first.

Not all newbies are like this, very few knows about something before coming on the forum, I don't mean to hurt anyone's feeling saying this but the majority of them believe they know something, even the smartest people keep things to themselves, instead they observe very well, and this is why they grow smarter, learn when you should be teaching, it's the best advice to newbies so far.

OP thanks for creating this wonderful topic about newbies habit, I hope they learn from it.

I concur with your opinion mate. Most newbies are possibly more enlightened about bitcoin more than some members here and possibly some too have had experience as a result of their exposure to other platforms so they can easily have their ways on any platform they find themselves which is why most times when you see some newbie operate you would be wondering if that account is an alt account of a high rank member but in the real sense, it is not so.

Nevertheless, of lately I have seen many funny replies to some newbie on this particular board  which did not go down well with them. I was of the opinion same as yours OP that newbies be at calm wether they know or not as long as they have the tag newbies, it Is assumed that they do not know what's up with the platform and as such would be expected to learn how things works here so as not to be called to order. I think this has been the challenges facing newbies here.

I think most newbies have this character which they always want to let people know the little they have leant about cryptocurrency,  even if they don't understand it much they just want to give it out . It will be good if newbies can learn more first and not to be in haste to share their knowledge about something that they do not know about. The real thing newbies are suppose to come up with is to share their challenge on things that seems difficult for them to understand about bitcoin or other cryptocurrency.

Not a bad idea if they want to showcase what they have learnt within a short period of time but don't you feel it's going to be difficult for people to believe them even when they are really making sense because they are very new to the forum? Some members may even try to dig deep to confirm if the account is an alt to some one who's already an established member here if the person teaches those things in a very good way since the account is still very new don't you think so, I think coming to a new place the first thing to do is to understand how things work in the particular area even though you understand things correctly but you still need to be calm so you don't do good things in a bad time thinking you have done very well.

I agreed with the op, a newbie is always a newbie, even he or she is experts in bitcoin, as they are joining the forum for the very first time they are newbies in the forum so they have to lie low to observe things to learn about the forum and contribute meaningful contributions from the knowledge they have from outside and not to render services to people to follow. Bitcoin is very deep that nobody knows all, everyone knows there areas of expert and not all areas.

If it is about forum, I agree that newbies shouldn't teach others because they actually have just started to know forum. When they teach others, they may lose their focus or share something they don't really understand. Other people can misunderstand it, or people got unproven knowledge. This is something too early to do by newbies.

Contributing on the forum can be varied, it is not only about the knowledge about forum. Newbies can share their experience on the other field (out side of forum), everyone must have their own experience to share with others. If it is about the experience on trading or investment, I still can trust newbies. Newbie accounts don't always mean newbie trader or newbie investor.

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*I assume sharing isn't intended to teach others.

Well I must say this, most of these newbies are well to do in knowledge about this platform. I have seen many newbies here who really knows their ways around this platform and for the first time making posts at the right board which means that some also know the right board and tell me if a newbie could make just a first post on the right board, does this not tell you something?  Some newbies possibly are in the know how things works here, some are fast learner while some are otherwise.

From what I can see here the tag newbie limits them to sharing their experience no matter how vast they are in knowledge about the platform as long as you have the tag newbie you are limited and therefore you are assumed not to know much and would be advised to learn.

Well, it's funny, but it's true. I've seen newbies acting like they are experts here where they are just advising people out of nowhere.
On the other hand, I think this topic is pretty subjective (at least for me).

What if that newbie-ranked user has been lurking in this forum for years already before registering? We can still read things including rules here even though we aren't registering an account right?
What if that newbie-ranked user has been involved with cryptocurrency for let's say 5 years already? For 5 years, for sure he might know the basics of investing, and maybe the complex things about crypto.

Some might agree that newbies shouldn't teaching higher ranked users here, and that's true, but I still believe that ranks here aren't a basis whether you should share or advice people or not. Like I said, there might be some newbie ranked users out there who knows everything about crypto. Though in general, newbies really don't know anything about crypto, but they're the ones who act like they know everything which is kind of funny, and disappointing at the same time.

I as a newbie here feel the OP's suggestion is true. Others have better experience and knowledge than I do. And I must continue to learn and correct my mistakes. Teaching something to others about something that is not known by oneself, is not good. Because the impression is like conveying something without knowledge.

A high Rank account does not guarantee more knowledge than an account that has two activities, someone who controls a Legendary account with 1000 Airdrop merit is not necessarily better than a Newbie who just joined the forum. Advice can come from anyone, as long as the advice has an educational nature and is useful for other members I think it can be justified even if the one giving advice is an account that has two activities.
A person's knowledge cannot be measured by account ratings, perhaps they already had a lot of knowledge before finding their way to forums. As long as it doesn't violate the forum rules and doesn't harm other members, newbies may advise people in the forum.

Just observing and learning from experienced members of the forum is a way to learn fast, learning from experienced members will  give you good reputation in the forum. When beginners claim to know too well they end up making mistakes that are very regrettable,  beginners just need to learn as to reduce the rate of mistakes they will encounter. Beginners must learn and gain good knowledge which they can give out to other members of the forum, it is reasonable to share something well known than to give out something with no meaning.

That's right, because we do not know who is behind the account and maybe he is quite broad -minded in his field, ranking does not have to be a concern, but ranking only as a measure that he is valued in contributing with forums, knowledge can come from anywhere , like the falling apples, as well as a newbe in this forum, you have the right to give advice on users who have a higher rank than it, there is no rules that the newbie cannot do that, but he only needs to learn From what he doesn't know like the forum rules for example.

It might be an alternative learning that knows the forum faster, but even though he is only a newbie, as I say that we don't know who is behind the account, maybe he has a lot of experience in his field, even though the crypto industry does not really understand, while he is Having a logical and strong argument in other fields of discussion that he has experience and knowledge, he deserves to maintain it, but if he does not really understand, I think observing and learning how people who have a higher rank than him are the right decisions, rather than talking Instead of what he has no understanding of what he is talking about.

Newbies should never jump teaching their co-newbies when in reality, they also need to be taught at first. Instead, they should focus on acquiring sufficient knowledge about cryptocurrency and how it’s market moves. In the end, newbies will never be forever newbies. As they increase their knowledge and skills, they also level up with their position. Maybe that could be the best time to teach, as long as they have those valuable things to share to those who are interested to learn.

How can you teach what you don't know?
I also got a point where you mentioned that some of the newbies aren't new to crypto but that doesn't mean that they have more edge over some reputable members of the forum and I believe  some newbies also have more cryptocurrency knowledge  than some legendary members on here but the truth be told that people on here have no value for newbie accounts because they believe the newbie account has nothing to lose and people wouldn't  want to to deal with such a person.

I stand with you @Giftedman and I think people especially  newbies to try to grow their accounts and status on the forum before want to Introduce what so ever to the community.

I get the point "learn before you try to teach others". That's why I have been observing many threads many members many topic posts etc for many days. But I still fear I might make  mistakes or someone may criticize me. That's why I don't have any activities or merits in my account. But observing won't even get me anywhere. I need real time performance right? So what should I do now. It would be much help if anyone guided me so that one day I may also contribute to this community.

I am in no position to advice anyone. But I need to have some experience or base knowledge to be able to do that.

Yes, your observation is accurate, but all you need to do is read each and every one of this forum's rules and regulations and keep your attention on the reason you came here in the first place, which is to learn about bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies. This does not preclude you from participating on the forum as a novice, though. I think you could contribute valuable knowledge, even if it's unrelated to the forum, and perhaps you've been the victim of some scam attempts. You can also bring something similar, and your post will be taken into consideration; nobody will judge the action or its qualities. Don't stress over that. They will appear eventually; you are only beginning.


Yes, your performance is what will provide you the privileges and participation you believe you lack, thus it will be better if you put in more effort and educate yourself on the forum and other things that must be done there in order to contribute and perform effectively here.


Your best chance of succeeding on the forum is to pay attention to what the senior members have contributed. You will be able to contribute when you read what other senior members have said on the forum. You will gain more experience thanks to what they say than you.

This is a harsh reality and too hard to swallow. I feel attacked though haha. It made me feel like I'm still an amateur or a mere beginner who has lots of things to learn. Need more experience. I know I can do better. Do more research, interact more, and participate as much as I can.

But the problem with other they really think that their learnings is enough and they can't teach newbies just like that. They really need to focus on theirselves since if they post and try to educate newbies while they are still belong to that category then people might just expect that they do this stint just because they want to earn a merit. Merit is the reason why newbies became instant expert since they try to educate their fellow newbies and hope that their thread created will get a merit in return.

The main motive that drives them in trying to educate other members is just to get attention or maybe there is another reason behind that motive. It seems a bit strange, someone who is still in the process of learning tries to teach other people, but this incident happens very often even though what is conveyed cannot be disputed. Before posting anything that educates others, a Newbie who is just finding his way to forums needs to educate himself how to adapt to forums.

I totally agree with you OP, I see no reason why a newbie can be teaching people that has been in the system for long and you just came in and starting teaching everyone about cryptocurrency, I'm not disputing the fact that most newbies does not have ideas about cryptocurrency but there are somethings that are expected of you as a newbie to do such as learning how forum works and following the higher Rank to be knowledgeable instead of lecturing, for me I'm here to learn, to know how the forum works and learn from people that knows more better.

Very true.
Whether you have been on other forums or not, once you sign up on this forum for the first time and the rank reads newbie, then you are certainly a newbie. However, if your rank reads newbie on the forum but you have expert knowledge on cryptocurrencies and bitcoin, you should be free and have the freedom to share it with the community. And we can tell a newbie on the forum who is a newbie to bitcoin from a newbie on the forum who has expert knowledge on bitcoin. How? Look at the boards they post in, their posting pattern, you'll easily notice.

I so much understand what Op meant and he is correct about that. But then I do not want anyone to feel threatened because a newbie is contributing or trying to contribute to the forum. Some times the ranks doesn't matter, where the rank matters so much is during trading because it is very risky to trade with a newbie.

But when it comes to sharing of knowledge, I do not really care where it is coming from. What we need to confirm is the validity and authenticity of the information being passed. If it is correct and acceptable, it is fine even if it comes from a newbie. Where I always have problems is when a newbie without knowledge and experience begins to teach nonsense in the forum.

While I do understand that majority of these newbies want to earn merits, I do think that they are doing it on the wrong direction.

I agree with what OP posted- you have to earn your acknowledgement before you start giving advice to others. In this forum, while it is generally helpful to guide others in this kind of advice, you must first equip yourself with all the knowledge and information before sharing it to others.

Unfortunately, I have also witnessed several instances where newbies would attempt to share some advice, only to find out that there is a language barrier and they were not able to convey their messages clearly (wrong grammars, etc.). I just hope that from this post, newbies would first accept to learn before they share any guides to others.

Sorry in advance, allow me to convey my opinion @qwertyup23. I don't think it justifies everything. sometimes there are also suggestions from beginners who, although they seem new to this forum, have been in the world of crypto trading for a long time and it is possible that they also have the ability/capacity to write and answer a question properly, correctly and relevantly.

In my years of being on the forum, I have actually seen Newbies who are not Newbies because they are knowledgeable about cryptocurrencies and the forum, which tells me that we cant get everything at face value, just like the saying you can not judge a book by its cover!

But when it comes to things like forum rules , post quality etcetera I honestly don't expect these guys to act as experts when they haven't hang around the forum long enough.

It's like a just employed staff that's rather trying to introduce and explain to the older staff before him about the office environment and how things should be done within the organization such behavior would raise an eyebrow from the old staff which could make them think that you're unteachable as you already knows it all.

Newbies should always learn to give themselves some time. No matter what they have read iin the forum at their quiet time, allow it sink down, contemplate over and over again at what you have learned and don't jump all out to come lecture the house.
Keep piling up the knowledge adding it to tat you already got before your membership of community that's how you grow faster.
The former will puts you in a radar where members may question your authenticity of an actual newbie or not.

I think knowing the forum rules isn't really a problem to some newbies and teaching it for others is not a problem too because for someone who's new anywhere aside the forum here ought to know the rules and regulations guiding the place or the organisation he or she is into before venturing into other things. No newbie will talk about post quality in some of their teaching because the person will be considered as an old member who's building an alt but don't you think someone who's very conversant with good spoken English and has knowledge of vocabularies can detect when someone is using wrong grammar or a post with low quality? how long does it take a user to stay on the forum before the person can understand a post with good quality to me I think sticking around the forum for a long time and consistent follow up to some users post can help even a newbie to understand when a post is of good quality.

I mean I get your point here since they are still newbies here in the forum, the assumption here is they still newbies are they doesnt have enough knowledge or experience in the forum and in the cryptocurrency space as well. But I dont think is right to assume that newbies doesnt have knowledge since this forum is not the start of their journey, probably most of the newbies here are just getting started on cryptocurrency but sure not all of them are beginners to cryptocurrency space sure there are some that already have a lot of experience and already an expert that is just a newbie here in the forum.

But for sure the thing here because we see a lot of newbies commenting and teaching other people on a discussion where newbies' posts just doesnt make any sense at all. I mean if that's the case we could easily just report it as spam right? Since that post just doesnt make any sense at all. But as a newbie, if your post is really helpful and you know what you're actually saying, we can easily see through it on their post. So just report newbies that spam some nonsense I guess.

You're right and it is true that not all beginners in this forum are really beginners in the crypto world, but there are some beginners who already have good experience, knowledge and references or maybe better than us or members who have high rankings here but they just found and joined in this forum.
Even though sometimes I also have strange thoughts and feel that it's not as natural as what the OP feels, but then I think again as long as a comment or suggestion given by a beginner still makes sense and it doesn't deviate from the related discussion and the most important thing is it doesn't violate forum rules that have been set then that's okay in my opinion, everyone has the right to discuss here.

Yes we can easily report them. But I'd prefer for them to fix their mistake before actually reporting it as a spammer. if we see a suggestion or comment from someone that doesn't make sense and seems inconsequential, then we just correct it or give him input or maybe criticism so he can fix his mistakes, but if we see that it doesn't change several times then just report it as a spammer.
Everyone can definitely judge which people are really trying to grow or people who are just spamming. Someone who always gives careless and unreasonable comments or suggestions or spam, in my opinion they will be left behind and will never develop.

That because I think most newbies think posting that kind of things can gain more merits. Because when I come here as a newbie, I checked out old posts and I saw few gets 1-2 merits for posting that kind of guides. So, I think those who new here think that posting that kind of topics here will give them few merits easily. Btw the way your example pic is another level  :D, Thumbs up for that..

Do you know that some newbies are really not newbies? They know better than some high ranked members and is really hard to tell who's really a newbie because these days I believe members are on disguise just to play a game of hide and seek, like not letting out their identity.
So in this case the suppose "newbies" have the knowledge of either trading and other stuff you think they're suppose to learn, and learning is for everyone no matter your rank, a newbie can educate you on what you feel you know much better.

I agree, some people have very good knowledge of trading but they didn't sign up in this forum, when they create account so we will call him newbie (in term kf Bitcointalk) while he has a good knowledge than of crypto and investment ideas more than a legendary. I think the best knowledge we could learn is from our practical experience and newbie with could gives advice on trading according to past experiences (either lost or win).

I agree with this point that newbie should focused more on learning more than a teaching and once he learned well then he will be able to gives correct advice and will not mislead others but this is only for those newbie who has no previous experience.

Guess Op word are coming to me indirectly and unexpectedly  fen I should change my posts .

Alright  for newbies what areas and aspect are you suggesting them to post not forum now but topics to be precise

The major concern is, we shouldn't always use our ranks to judge anybody that's in this Forum, you can be a legendary member but you lack the knowledge about Bitcoin or cryptocurrency. Are you saying that if you see a newbie that you don't know from nowhere comes to give you advise on how to trade and you noticed he's good at it, are you saying that you won't let him teach you? You would of course.
Let's put it this way, we have every right to learn from anybody no matter who that person is or how low the rank of that member is, as long as the information is useful. The main thing is to get what you think you're lacking to improve your knowledge the more.

There is nothing bad if you make threads but if you must, make sure they are quality thread that people are going to enjoy and learn meaningful information.
Many newbies are guilty of this, they little to none knowledge about what they write, instead of them to sit, read and have the knowledge of what they are writing, they source small information and create threads that may end up with corrections from people that understands it better than them and that's bad of newbie to be embarrassed writing about what they don't know.

So instead of creating threads that are not useful or lack useful information, focus on getting the knowledge and then write one when you gain the knowledge. You may not even need to create threads, reply posts can ge  you the merits worthy of posts.

There are newbies that new to cryptocurrency entirely and this forum might be their first place to have access to learning something legit about bitcoin and crypto, if such newbies ask question, it is always good to help and support them because that is the sole purpose of this forum. On the other hand, there are newbies to this forum but have some experience and knowledge about bitcoin and crypto trading, they are just here to build account and interact with other crypto experts on somethings related bitcoin.

Creating new thread by some newbies to be teaching or given guide on somethings they are suppose to be learning in the forum is mostly for the sake of merits to rank up because some of them think that we must create thread that help the forum members in order to get merits and rank up.

Is really good to express how you feel about something especially things you don't know about but whenever you have that opportunity to share that idea you have about something say it without hesitating because you might not know who you're helping.
Some of these members who come online just to talk more about crypto should continue talking more about it and even making it look like a seminar, like let the conversation be more helpful especially to those who wants to engage in trading or investing, but using this word shouldn't be implied (newbies stop teaching) it kills their morale, let them say what they have to say and you put them through too, to me I see many newbies who are desperate to say something about what they know concerning trading or investment.


I still ask, what if some of these newbies knows more than we think? Let's leave the rank newbie aside, don't you think some of these newbies might know what they're doing but some of us find it hard to acknowledge what they have to offer because they're called newbies?
Forget the merit and ranking up, some don't have that in mind not that the merit and rank up ain't important in the Forum but they have this aim of talking more about crypto than having merit to rank up (like some don't even know how some certain things works in the Forum), can't say what we all have in mind but some don't care about the merit, that's what I think.

Well, there are some newbies who know the right place and how to post, and they post in the right place. I also think that maybe they have enough knowledge, that's why they try their best to post in the right place and qualify. It's true that basically a newbie doesn't know much about anything and might already have a good idea of the forum, that's why they go to the right board and post. There are many such newbies who know about everything and how to proceed, they also have enough skills and have a prior idea about what forums are. I have noticed a lot of newbies who talk about bitcoin and trading in different ways in order to qualify. And what platforms they have good knowledge about, so they may not be called newbies they are very knowledgeable but in the forum they want to convince people as newbies. But there are some newbies who don't understand the forum can be explained and taught about everything.

Truth is, most newbies have important things to share, like they've experiences to teach others from and most times, more reference is made on the ranks and not the message. Most ranked up members may intentionally ignore the posts of newbies just because they're newbies. Worst case scenarios, may even  put them on ignore.
Lemme be blunt here, a lot of newbies are actually practicing what they may have learned for a while and they need practice to be perfect. Some of their posts are informing, the only problem is that they've not learnt how to properly construct and format their posts effectively. We will be better with time, please just let us breath some fresh air cos its not easy trying to belong in a forum as massive as this.

I personally prefer to give freedom to those beginners. As long as they understand what they are actually conveying. If they talk like an expert and advise many people, it turns out that the beginner really has zero experience and minimal insight. Then something like that is completely unacceptable.

Only share things we are really good at. It doesn't matter if you are a beginner or not. But if you have high insight regarding crypto and there is someone who needs an answer, then answer them according to the insight we have.

But one thing you must always remember is to obey all the rules on this forum. finished.

When you have the tag newbie, it does not necessarily means you have no idea about the system but for the fact that you are new onboard that platform and any new members always have that tag as a newbie just as it is here. There are lots of newbies here whom I have read through their posts and articles, I can tell they are not new to Bitcoin. At least to some extent, they know a bit more about the system and how it works. Although some newbies take out time to read and learn so that they could get more knowledge before identifying with the system as not to see everything about the system to be strange to them. It is good to do so that it does not looks as if you can not Comprehend the system and how it works.

As the OP mentioned he doesn't want to discourage newbies but he made valid points. Many new members tried to make posts about educational content for which they gathered information from google. They tried to teach something that they didn't have expertise in. So it is important for them to first educate themselves and help others with their knowledge. It is important for them to read more than write. 

Hey buddy, don't feel attacked; it might break you down if you start feeling that a particular thread is a direct attack on you.
 
First, there is nothing wrong with creating a thread that you know has meaning, and if you are confused about something, you can create a thread and ask questions about it; it's normal and it expands our knowledge, but here the OP is focusing on those who still have a lot of things to learn but start up threads to teach their fellow newbies about what they themselves don't know about.
 
The OP's point is that, if you are a newbie, instead of starting a tutoring class, why not look for one and attend yourself to gain that knowledge? As the person might appear to need the knowledge more than anyone else, you can only reach what you know and not what you feel like is meant to be taught. The OP means no harm to you or any other member. The rate at which newbies come up with forum-educating topics is alarming, and most times they end up passing the wrong information, which is misleading.

If a person is motivated to do the right thing then never discourage him but rather encourage him. This forum has many discussions for newbies where newbies can learn a lot about investing. There are a lot of posts by newbies on the subject of Bitcoin investing but it's not right to discourage them because of their zero qualifications. This forum is the guide line for newbies from where everyone can get an idea about Bitcoin and Cryptocurrency and get some good education. There are many people who talk a lot about newcomers, but I think that person was once a newcomer. Newbies can learn a lot from the forum and they are able to learn all the aspects of Bitcoin and gain better knowledge later on.

This is a mistake we often make that we should completely avoid. When we fail to develop ourselves due to lack of adequate education, imparting knowledge or teaching to others is a complete waste of time which has no value. Giving knowledge without being wise is nothing but foolishness. What we should do is to make sure that learning is important when we are learning. We who are doing this mistake are not able to find this mistake ourselves because lack of enough education at that time. First you have to enlighten yourself, then you can take the responsibility of inspiring others.

I think the newbies op is referring to are the ones who do not know what they are saying. True their might be newbie in the forum who are sound in the discussion they make, very full of knowledge. Newbies who are knowledgeable their is nothing wrong if they should share their knowledge with forum members but for those who don't have Idea about about what they intend to teach other people it is better for them to learn first to share good knowledge that will be benefit of forum members, than misleading with wrong ideas.

Another thing is how can you tell who knows what he or she is saying as in sharing crypto knowledge?
You can't point out an individual that he doesn't know what he's saying, to me is best you take whatever is coming out from any newbie, take your time and process it then you check if this same guy has what it takes to even give you any form of lecture concerning Bitcoin or crypto business.
Fine, we have many who thinks they know it all but I'll always say it, no knowledge is a waste. We shouldn't forget that we have those who can't help it but run their mouth when they don't know much of what they're saying and they don't care if you're losing funds or not, all they know is talk much on what they're not suppose to, those are the misleading ones we should be aware of on the forum.

this is a matter of overconfidence by looking easily and maybe taking from social media in general, of course in general.
not relevant to the forum's mission to discuss with each other, not to make each other feel the most righteous with a reality that is not necessarily as fast as what he is talking about. (his goal is to pursue any achievement with too much ambition because the goal is royalties or rankings that are obtained,)

or if he already understands, maybe he is someone who has been on the forum for a long time but only has the confidence to start posting without looking at the writing procedures, attitudes and accountability that he stated, we will see his next post...

If it has become a habit, maybe that person can't participate in discussions because he doesn't know and doesn't seek information to become a technically good poster, only seeks knowledge for himself and doesn't share his opinions, understanding and experience for others step by step, he should be able to choose words and the rhythm of writing without raising and patronizing anyone even if what he says is true.

The forum is a freedom of activity according to the board and topic chosen, uniting users around the world for those who have bitcointalk users with various characters and languages that they have, each of which has a rank that indicates their activity first and more experience in the forum, bringing together everyone to have an opinion in the discussion. that's what I make a guideline that attitude is number 1.

I do not totally condemn the act of newbies teaching fellow newbies. I do not have a problem with that only if the newbie know what they want to teach. It is not all newbies that are very novice to the cryptocurrency market. Some of them have been in the bitcoin industry even before discovering this forum.

I also know when I was in the higher institution, my course mates enjoy learning from me more than learning from the course lecturer. Reason that their fellow newbies will appreciate them better while teaching.

But I frown at those newbies for teach their fellow newbies and also teach older members in the forum.

They dont only appreciate learning from each other. They tend to share their thought and discuss more freely, deeply into a particular topic. This is because newbies dont feel like a superior on another newbie they fell that they have a lot in common so they can share ideas together that will help them grow. A newbie is eager to learn than those who have already learnt it. So learning and growing is the zeal that will push a newbie higher so if they see anyone at the same level with them that can assist them or leave quality information's on that same topic they are trying to learn they will be very happy about it.

Newbies should stop feeling like they are intimidated in the forum we are one and learning never ends. If you are corrected of a mistake here in the forum then you should learn from it and dont act like you know it all.

Newbies that come to this forum with the purpose of learning don't do that, it's only the ones that are referred by someone to the forum saying that they can actually earn money from here if they reach a certain rank and join a signature campaign, they are also told that they can't rank up if they don't get Merits, so the fundamental target they have is to earn Merits, and as they surf the forum, they come to know that one needs to make constructive posts to earn Merits, and for some reason, most newbies think that a constructive post is a very long and informative post whether it serves any purpose or not, whether it's being repeated for the thousandth time, or whether it solves an unsolved problem, they don't think about any of this and just make random posts attempting to earn some Merits.

I also believe that the reason why such users create threads trying to teach something is because they occasionally see OP's getting a lot of Merits in their initial posts which makes them think that maybe people give Merits easily to created threads compared to posts in those threads which is a completely wrong mindset but at the end of the day, they are newbies and they don't know much.

I have been on the forum to read from the top ranking members post, while making me to learn more about cryptocurrency investment, and has been a long term I commit on a post since I joined the forum. I hope I'm welcome.

I disagree with you on what you said. I know you said it for the benefit of us and as well as for those newbies who are doing this type of shit, but brother not all the newbies doing the same. Many newbies know bundles of knowledge and they are serving the forum very well and the users awarded them through their merits giving to them. It does not mean that a newbie who is talking about trading here doesn't know well maybe he has been doing it for some time but fortunately, he found this forum recently so how you can say to stop teaching others, there are many Alts accounts of users who also teaching and giving their valuable knowledge to us. There must be some newbies who did this type of posting and it is better if you quote their post for confirmation and also that person take lesson and motivation from that.

We are talking about those real newbies, which means newbie accounts of this forum and newbies on crypto investment/trading as well. We can know whether it is real newbies or not from the content of their posts and they way they deliver it. Since they just know about crypto, the best way is to focus in learning. Teaching others shouldn't be a priority, it is only done by experts or experienced ones.  ;)

For the people who just joined this forum but they actually already invested or traded for a long time, it is okay to teach others. Those people who have much experience and knowledge, they always deserve to teach others. But this means they are not newbies on crypto, but they are newbie accounts in this forum. I rarely found this type of newbies, mostly most newbies in this forum are the real newbies. The real newbies I mean that those people who are really newcomers in crypto and they are newbie accounts in this forum, too.

Anyway, do you mean Alts accounts is alternative accounts or second accounts of someone?
Sure. It is possible that a newbie account is the Alts account of high members of this forum. But if they really have the intention to teach others, they are better to use their main accounts, right?

Well this is actually true no doubt but if I may ask how much effort have you contributed or made to the Newbies.  Have you given them a guidelines on what to do. What exactly have you teach them. Since they are novice why don't you bring a separate forum for them till they are good to go.
Sorry if you see this as a dispute. Just like you said,  some people has already acquired knowledge about Bitcoin and cryptocurrency but they are here as newbie, telling full member,  snr member etc what to do in this forum is what I do not support but I guess sometimes there post maybe relevant but because they are newbie you don't care to read their thread carefully to find out something helpful but instead you look for errors the most. They said nobody is perfect even teachers, lecturers etc don't use to be right all the time even when a student wants to contribute they ask them to seat or they disagree.  Just like I said I am not disputing what you said you are correct but think about this thanks.

I think the message should be drawn to newbies that are always eagered to teach people on how to behave in the community.
It is very important for us to stay safe from irregular activities as an investor that would affect us in a long run.
Those that had been in this community for long do not even make noice like some people that are always interested in teaching people how to trade, invest and do other things when they don't even know all these things. When we don't understand something or when we understand less, it is good for us to listen to others that have much clearer view than us.