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Title: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: PytagoraZ on June 17, 2023, 03:42:03 PM
It's been a great day, I've read enough threads. I saw quite a lot of senior/hero/legendary rank discussions, but if I'm honest, I found a lot of comments that have no value, they just write nonsense. Maybe I did too

I realize that the quality of a post is based on the knowledge of the account owner. But stupid people are still needed to continue the discussion, if everyone is smart then there will be no more discussion. So both are needed.

I know for sure there will be a lot of comments that blaspheme me. I may be a newbie but I know that a post has value and a good argument. Maybe I haven't read all the threads, so I have to ask about my statement, that many high ranking members have low quality posts? talk nonsense and have no clear arguments. Is my statement correct?


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: tranthidung on June 17, 2023, 03:54:43 PM
It's been a great day, I've read enough threads.
Reading and learning are never enough. Keep it up, please.

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I saw quite a lot of senior/hero/legendary rank discussions
Discussions in this forum are for everyone, no restrictions on ranks. Exceptions are on a few boards like Serious Discussion (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=250.0), Ivory Tower (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=251.0), staff boards.

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but if I'm honest, I found a lot of comments that have no value, they just write nonsense. Maybe I did too
Your post quality depends on what you write, not on your rank. A newbie with deep knowledge can write super quality posts, better than a Legendary member with a shit post. I have to mention that before the Merit system kick-off in January 2018 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.0), forum members could rank up easily (no merit requirement). Many old members with high ranks before appearance of merit system are shit posters.

Members with same earned merits can have difference in post quality. You can look at The future of Bitcointalk: Low Ranking Top Merit earners in the past 30 days (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5185736.msg62417294#msg62417294) and see differences in post quality of those low rank members.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Nwada001 on June 17, 2023, 03:57:13 PM
I realize that the quality of a post is based on the knowledge of the account owner. But stupid people are still needed to continue the discussion, if everyone is smart then there will be no more discussion. So both are needed.

What you see as nonsense might make sense to others; you can't just conclude the complete meaning of someone's statement based on your own personal point of view. Here in this forum, everyone is entitled to their own ideas; you can't contribute more than you don't know.
 
I won't argue with you about a few people posting or making off-topic comments because just because I'm a higher rank member does not make me perfect if I go off topic or my idea towards a particular issue is not in line with what's being currently discussed. Anyone can call me to order it's not based on rank.
 
Another thing is that a legendary member, which you might also see dropping a few topics that do not actually match their rank or their comments are far off the mark, has been caused by or based on two reasons:

1: the member acquired that rank by opportunity and did not really merit it; what I mean is that they might fall among those that were airdropped merit when the merit system was introduced. Because earning enough merit and activities to reach a legendary rank is enough time for one to familiarize himself or herself with broad knowledge, It's not by force to always contribute to a topic, so if they don't have anything to say, they will avoid the thread.

2. The account might have changed hands; the real owner built it to that level; if someone who's supposed to still be learning around the forum and outside regarding things now happens to get their hands on such an account, irrelevant posts might likely occur.

But to be clear to me no one's comment is actually completely useless some people will still take a few point from it why you will be busy criticizing it. In your thread, for example, not everyone will have to support it; few will see it as completely useless.
 
 


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: PytagoraZ on June 17, 2023, 04:06:43 PM
Your post quality depends on what you write, not on your rank. A newbie with deep knowledge can write super quality posts, better than a Legendary member with a shit post. I have to mention that before the Merit system kick-off in January 2018 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.0), forum members could rank up easily (no merit requirement). Many old members with high ranks before appearance of merit system are shit posters.

Is that true? means the old system is very easy to reach the legendary level?

Members with same earned merits can have difference in post quality. You can look at The future of Bitcointalk: Low Ranking Top Merit earners in the past 30 days (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5185736.msg62417294#msg62417294) and see differences in post quality of those low rank members.

Wtf... I came in second. I'm not proud of that. I get support from merit sources. Maybe it's just luck

What you see as nonsense might make sense to others; you can't just conclude the complete meaning of someone's statement based on your own personal point of view. Here in this forum, everyone is entitled to their own ideas; you can't contribute more than you don't know.

Yes I agree with you. That's why I asked it here.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: YOSHIE on June 17, 2023, 04:13:37 PM
that many high ranking members have low quality posts? talk nonsense and have no clear arguments. Is my statement correct?
What have you done with your posts so far, that's what's best for yourself, we here have different understandings and judgments about high and low ranked member posts, do you think it's lacking in quality, but according to other members it's meaningful, even though they say 1-3 words, but there is value for other members.

However, if you want to do the best and quality posts here, just do it, don't judge someone by what you don't like, be optimistic, we here provide a report button, you can use it, but remember it is really spam, not based on your dislike of the post.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: AbuBhakar on June 17, 2023, 04:13:59 PM
I know for sure there will be a lot of comments that blaspheme me. I may be a newbie but I know that a post has value and a good argument. Maybe I haven't read all the threads, so I have to ask about my statement, that many high ranking members have low quality posts? talk nonsense and have no clear arguments. Is my statement correct?

There’s an airdrop merit or users that reach high rank before merit system was introduced so there’s really some high rank member that doesn’t post quality like those high rank members here that climb to the rank through earning merits.

With the new merit system, New generation high should guarantee post quality since merit is very hard to earned except for this users that participate only on the forum contest that usually gave a generous airdrop.

What’s the issue with this? This is a forum. Someone excel and some is just mediocre but we are all united because of our interest with Bitcoin not with our post quality.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Faisal2202 on June 17, 2023, 04:16:58 PM
It doesn't matter which rank you are. You may be at any rank and still can publish useless posts and in my experience, i have read not so many useless posts/comments. But i do read some useless topics and they were useless to me because they have been discussed so many times on my watch. For example. One topic you will definitely read in the trading section and in Beginner and help section:
Top 5 or 10 mistakes that a trader must avoid as a newbie. And mistakes that you should avoid as a newbie on this forum to stay long respectively.

The point is, useless and unnecessary characteristic of any topic is a distinct properties. This means to say one might see one topic as useless while at the same time, another reader might find the same topic attractive and useful.

So it also depends on the smartness level of readers. Now, if you think you found some useless comments and they value nothing but maybe they might have some value to the OP. And at the end, the ranking doesn't mean you will have more meaningful and useful posts. Because I am at senior rank and still ask useless questions here which I can also search on Google and on any other search engine but i prefer to ask them here also because here i get so many suggestions with different answers and it only benefits me.  So my suggestion is do not afraid to ask questions by being afraid to be declared as useless. Because learning has no boundaries. But i have reported some topics too which were encouraging people to click on some links and spreading spam and irrelative topics on different threads.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: PytagoraZ on June 17, 2023, 04:24:53 PM
However, if you want to do the best and quality posts here, just do it, don't judge someone by what you don't like, be optimistic, we here provide a report button, you can use it, but remember it is really spam, not based on your dislike of the post.

Yes I have no intention of reporting anyone here. I do not hate differences of opinion precisely that is where the discussion will work, because there are differences of opinion. But opinions that have good arguments, not just nonsense


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Hyphen(-) on June 17, 2023, 04:26:05 PM
It's been a great day, I've read enough threads. I saw quite a lot of senior/hero/legendary rank discussions, but if I'm honest, I found a lot of comments that have no value, they just write nonsense. Maybe I did too
Most of them have an idea about the discussion, and even though the provided responses have been made, they keep posting their opinions, mostly in line with their posting requirements for their respective campaigns.

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I realize that the quality of a post is based on the knowledge of the account owner.
We have seen newbies with extremely good skills who have given a lot to the forum by providing quality contents that are valuable to the forum, therefore the quality of a post is not dependant on a forum user's rank.

 
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But stupid people are still needed to continue the discussion, if everyone is smart then there will be no more discussion. So both are needed.
Regardless of the type of comments they made even after the necessary information was obtained, this is a public forum with no restrictions on any user's suggestions and opinions; thus, I don't expect abusive words like stupid people as you mentioned here because I am sure we both have respect for each other.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: PytagoraZ on June 17, 2023, 04:31:09 PM
Regardless of the type of comments they made even after the necessary information was obtained, this is a public forum with no restrictions on any user's suggestions and opinions; thus, I don't expect abusive words like stupid people as you mentioned here because I am sure we both have respect for each other.

I'm sorry, I don't have a good language skills. I don't know the equivalent word for the term "stupid". I don't mean to use harsh words here


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Nheer on June 17, 2023, 04:34:35 PM
When it comes from a rookie, I find this post to be very rude to high rank members. Just as you stated in one of your posts, I believe you are merely looking for attention.
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maybe many newbies want attention, I'm the same.
I think that everyone who rose to a high rank after the merit system was implemented had to work hard for it. They deserve our admiration no matter what. I have a lot of respect for the higher ranks because it is impossible to rank up here with low-quality posts. Each of us has our own ideas, and the capacity of our minds differs.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Daniel91 on June 17, 2023, 04:37:44 PM
Realistically, the forum rank on this forum only indicates the moment when someone registered on the forum and nothing else.
Earlier, advancing on the forum was much simpler, solely based on activity, so advancing on the forum was very easy and went relatively quickly and without much effort.
Only with the introduction of merits did it become more difficult to advance on the forum because a certain number of merits is required for each forum rank, which is obtained based on personal contribution on the forum.
In fact, very often we have a case where a new member appears on the forum who knows much more about btc and crypto than the older members of the forum because of his personal experience in the crypto industry.
OP, I advise you not to pay attention to the forum ranks, but to focus on the content of the posts and find what interests you and what helps you.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Zaguru12 on June 17, 2023, 04:41:05 PM
Is that true? means the old system is very easy to reach the legendary level?


 Not really although based on what I read the merit was airdropped to some people after the introduction of the merit system probably based on the activity then but I don’t think it was actually easy to rank up immediately after the introduction. Some of those it was airdropped to couldn’t cope and had to bow out of the forum as for those reputable members you could see them still contributing greatly into the forum. The reason why I feel the merit system is easy now is because there different threads by merit sources to review one’s post and this has made it possible for members to rank and I doubt it was in existence then.

 

Yes I have no intention of reporting anyone here. I do not hate differences of opinion precisely that is where the discussion will work, because there are differences of opinion. But opinions that have good arguments, not just nonsense

But from your post you seemed certain that other high ranking members post are of less quality. So the best thing if you actually care for the forum been free from less quality posts then you would certainly report those posts and the moderators will access them and probably delete the posts that truly of less quality.

Also I think the criteria to meet weekly post count actually make some members to post with less quality some times


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: PytagoraZ on June 17, 2023, 04:50:39 PM
When it comes from a rookie, I find this post to be very rude to high rank members. Just as you stated in one of your posts, I believe you are merely looking for attention.
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maybe many newbies want attention, I'm the same.

maybe you mean this post:
Hahaha... Your writing is very to the point. But that's good, maybe many newbies want attention, I'm the same. Of course, everyone talks about the quality of posts, but there are still a lot of comments that are full of nonsense and repetitive.

But that's how discussions go, there should always be something to discuss, I'm actually worried that everyone will be smart. There probably won't be any more discussions

I think everyone needs attention, no one likes to be ignored, including me. Or maybe you haven't been attention?

But from your post you seemed certain that other high ranking members post are of less quality. So the best thing if you actually care for the forum been free from less quality posts then you would certainly report those posts and the moderators will access them and probably delete the posts that truly of less quality.

Also I think the criteria to meet weekly post count actually make some members to post with less quality some times

Not all, many are of good quality. At first I thought that a high ranking would guarantee a good quality of their posts.

I don't think I have the capacity to report them. I'm still in the learning stage.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: aysg76 on June 17, 2023, 04:51:11 PM
Is that true? means the old system is very easy to reach the legendary level?
It was easy comparatively to rank up before the merit system introduction because you only need activity to rank up which you get by making posts and being active.So you would receive activity points every fortnight without the evaluation of post so you just climb to legendary rank.But after the merit system implementation many members who were not willing to learn and share good posts leave the forum while there are still some without any earned merits but have Legendary rank because of airdropped merits 1000 only which shows they have no potential at all.



Wtf... I came in second. I'm not proud of that. I get support from merit sources. Maybe it's just luck
Most of your merits are from that one post in your local board where merit sources hage given merits so not about luck but you have come under their notice with your post so just work that way and gain knowledge with time.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: m2017 on June 17, 2023, 05:09:19 PM
It's been a great day, I've read enough threads. I saw quite a lot of senior/hero/legendary rank discussions, but if I'm honest, I found a lot of comments that have no value, they just write nonsense. Maybe I did too

I realize that the quality of a post is based on the knowledge of the account owner. But stupid people are still needed to continue the discussion, if everyone is smart then there will be no more discussion. So both are needed.

I know for sure there will be a lot of comments that blaspheme me. I may be a newbie but I know that a post has value and a good argument. Maybe I haven't read all the threads, so I have to ask about my statement, that many high ranking members have low quality posts? talk nonsense and have no clear arguments. Is my statement correct?
A high rank guarantees nothing. At all. Especially the quality of the posts. Forum members who received ranks in the old era rose in the ranking system only by activity and the number of posts. In the new era, this became more difficult due to the introduced merit system. As a result, many participants remained on the forum, for example, hero or legendary who never received a single merit. The quality of their posts is such that for thousands of posts, none of them attracted attention and approval in the form of +1 merit. Of course, even this is not an indicator, but the fact remains.

I like your phrase that stupid people are also needed. :) Otherwise, who will ask questions that smart people will answer. :)

I definitely won’t blaspheme you, because I know firsthand the problem that you voiced, and in the same way I think that some high-ranking users are talking nonsense. Moreover, I see, quite often, such accounts receive merits, sometimes quite a lot and very actively progressing in the ranking system. Seeing their posts, surprise and bewilderment don't leave me, because it seems to me extremely low quality. This is my subjective assessment, perhaps for someone this level of posting will seem acceptable, but not for me. I will say that there is nothing to be done about this and I just skip such posts so as not to waste my time.

In fact, we ourselves are not without sin, because at times, I fail to write as well as I would like. It remains unattainable for me that each of my messages turns out to be first-class and approved by others.

On the other side of the scale, you can see the opposite - this is when low-ranking users write such good and high-quality posts that not every high-ranking one is able to write. In terms of presentation, informativeness or content. This in its own way creates a balance in the system and you should not worry about high-ranking posters. Don't think about them and focus on yourself and your actions.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: PytagoraZ on June 17, 2023, 05:23:35 PM
~snip~

I thought I shouldn't comment on your writing. But I like your writing style. I rarely praise other people's writings


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Lida93 on June 17, 2023, 05:35:44 PM

I know for sure there will be a lot of comments that blaspheme me. I may be a newbie but I know that a post has value and a good argument. Maybe I haven't read all the threads, so I have to ask about my statement, that many high ranking members have low quality posts? talk nonsense and have no clear arguments. Is my statement correct?
Many of the members that are ranked hero and legendary ranks are not as a result of how knowledgeable and polished they are about cryptocurrency but were rather alleviated at first when the merit system was introduced, the difficulties in ranking up that newbies are facing right now in terms of their posts earning merits most of these hero and legendary rank members never experienced it.

All am saying is, be you of a higher rank to a newbie it doesn't guarantee that you're more knowledgeable to the newbie both in general knowledge and crypto knowledge. It's just privilege and timing that made the difference.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Sexylizzy2813 on June 17, 2023, 06:12:40 PM
It's been a great day, I've read enough threads. I saw quite a lot of senior/hero/legendary rank discussions, but if I'm honest, I found a lot of comments that have no value, they just write nonsense. Maybe I did too

I realize that the quality of a post is based on the knowledge of the account owner. But stupid people are still needed to continue the discussion, if everyone is smart then there will be no more discussion. So both are needed.

I know for sure there will be a lot of comments that blaspheme me. I may be a newbie but I know that a post has value and a good argument. Maybe I haven't read all the threads, so I have to ask about my statement, that many high ranking members have low quality posts? talk nonsense and have no clear arguments. Is my statement correct?

You can see your self as a newbie but you're not as it seems, but before you see other people's post as nonsense or whatever you call it I feel you should take a look at yours, ask yourself if this post of yours is really ok to cause a lot of argument?
Users in this forum try their best to drop a post that they feel would bring more ideas arguments and even something that we can learn from. Is not cool to write off someone because you see the post as nonsense, we're all here to learn and those ranks doesn't mean that we're all learners, everybody is entitled to their own opinion and is best you respect that, your yes can never be my yes and your no can never be my no. We agree to disagree.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: NeuroticFish on June 17, 2023, 06:43:55 PM
Maybe I haven't read all the threads, so I have to ask about my statement, that many high ranking members have low quality posts? talk nonsense and have no clear arguments. Is my statement correct?

1. Not all high rank members needed merit to rank up. Some do have mostly low quality posts, but I don't think they're a majority (but yeah, I have a lot of spam areas on ignore).
2. Some areas and posts are more for fun (one example is W.O.), and that should be taken more lightly.
3. Some people prefer to have fun now and then, some others try too hard to post a lot (for their campaigns) and both cases can end up easily to also have some lower quality posts (some more of them, some less..)
4. Keep in mind that people have started without knowledge. I am sure that many of my posts from my first years on the forum can be seen today as weak.

But it doesn't matter that much. If you, as newbie, are looking for post quality already then you see this forum as a (posting) business. You may be too early. Allow yourself have weaker posts too, allow yourself learn and socialize too around here.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: PytagoraZ on June 17, 2023, 06:59:11 PM
~snip~

Yes... it seems I overlooked some considerations in my assessment. You give me another point of view, Thank you very much


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: GiftedMAN on June 17, 2023, 07:04:48 PM
I may be a newbie but I know that a post has value and a good argument.

Well being a newbie doesn't mean you don't know a quality post when you come across one since you go through threads created by quality posters on the forum and going through your profile I noticed that you got registered on the 7th of June but you already have 74 post and 40 merits in your name that alone shows how familiar you have become on the forum in less than 15 days of being here. Are you really a newbie or your account is a newbie account with a legendary member knowledge? If truly you are a newbie as your rank says then keep it up.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Findingnemo on June 17, 2023, 07:09:00 PM
There is no one who knows everything in this world but I agree with you on some non sense discussions which has no value and most of them don't know why they are getting into it because it has been already discussed many times in the same thread itself.

Receiving merits is a sign that someone is getting notified by other members of bitcointalk but it doesn't mean all others are just stupid and exists here for no reason. Everyone is trying to learn something and trying to contribute in a way they can and FYI not every great post received merit and all the posts received merits are great.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: BIT-BENDER on June 17, 2023, 08:52:14 PM
I think to drive your point home you should describe what you call nonsense, just because you don't agree with any members post or you can't relate with a post that should not mean the post is nonsense, yes the quality of post has reduced I would accept that but I wouldn't put the blames directly on any rank, because in every rank there are the positive posters and also negative posters.

You aren't an exceptional poster yourself but definitely there is always room for developing for anyone, I think if you find a post not helpful you can actually move on from it, pay attention to those post you find very useful and also make contribution yourself that would be helpful.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Ojima-ojo on June 17, 2023, 08:54:09 PM
~snip~

Yes... it seems I overlooked some considerations in my assessment. You give me another point of view, Thank you very much
Good to see that you have taken note of Neuroticfish advise and that is not limited to you alone it also apply to many of us who are currently looking out for quality posters just to learn from them, but since this is just a social media discussion forum, everything is allowed as long as it doesn't go against forum rules.


Give yourself time to socialize and understand the forum better as suggested by NeuroticFish it helps a lot.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: BitDane on June 17, 2023, 08:56:13 PM
Regardless of the type of comments they made even after the necessary information was obtained, this is a public forum with no restrictions on any user's suggestions and opinions; thus, I don't expect abusive words like stupid people as you mentioned here because I am sure we both have respect for each other.

I'm sorry, I don't have a good language skills. I don't know the equivalent word for the term "stupid". I don't mean to use harsh words here

Equivalent term for stupid is idiot or imbecile and still a harsh word, but you can write it in a more humane way such as less knowledgeable, naive, or newbie, or clueless can also work.

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I realize that the quality of a post is based on the knowledge of the account owner. But stupid people are still needed to continue the discussion, if everyone is smart then there will be no more discussion. So both are needed.

As I stated on the reply to your post on the other thread, if everyone are smart, there will be an endless discussion since both party have lots of ideas to share which often lead to another idea and so on.

About higher rank writing non-sense post, it is normal in the forum, it is possibly because of language barrier since not all in this forum are fluent in English nor has high comprehension skill, that is aside from the given reasons by the earlier replies.



Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Mate2237 on June 17, 2023, 09:07:03 PM
that many high ranking members have low quality posts? talk nonsense and have no clear arguments. Is my statement correct?
Guy this your thread is harsh. In life there must be a mistake for the person to make some corrections. And among the nonsense you are talking about there sense in some of the threads they have created. And when we talk about quality and shit post are from the way everyone understands the poor or the content. What you see as nonsense might be a very good point for another user.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: KingsDen on June 17, 2023, 09:31:25 PM
Maybe I haven't read all the threads, so I have to ask about my statement, that many high ranking members have low quality posts? talk nonsense and have no clear arguments. Is my statement correct?

If you have read majority of the threads and discovered that many high ranking members have low post quality and perhaps talk nonsense, do you need anyone's affirmation or appraisal to believe yourself.
Or you deliberately want to stretch the discussion as you said in Op. "For a discussion to continue, there should be one wise person at one end and one foolish person at the other end".

Meanwhile, it has been proven many times that lower rank members somethings make more connected and meaningful contributions than some higher ranked members. Meanwhile, a newbie can be able to to own a snr member account with less than $500. So, a newbie can be behind a snr member account.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: paid2 on June 17, 2023, 09:32:04 PM
Is that true? means the old system is very easy to reach the legendary level?

Yeah, I'm not going to explain again for the 10th time in your topic that before the merit system existed, it was very easy to rank up (even though it's not difficult nowadays either, you just have to post with interest without thinking about the merits and it's usually ok, as long as you know what you are talking about or post interesting questions).

If you're interested to know, who "deserves" their rank from our actual criterias, you should install the BPIP (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5224821.msg53812980#msg53812980) extension, which distinguishes between earned merits and merits.

For example your profile appears like that :

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/06/17/HH0GN.png

While others appear like this:

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/06/17/HHlya.png



Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on June 17, 2023, 10:00:56 PM
It's been a great day, I've read enough threads. I saw quite a lot of senior/hero/legendary rank discussions, but if I'm honest, I found a lot of comments that have no value, they just write nonsense. Maybe I did too

I realize that the quality of a post is based on the knowledge of the account owner. But stupid people are still needed to continue the discussion, if everyone is smart then there will be no more discussion. So both are needed.

I know for sure there will be a lot of comments that blaspheme me. I may be a newbie but I know that a post has value and a good argument. Maybe I haven't read all the threads, so I have to ask about my statement, that many high ranking members have low quality posts? talk nonsense and have no clear arguments. Is my statement correct?

OP, If I am being honest with you, I don't even expect to see this kind of thread because, before you create it, you already know what the answer should be. But yes, freedom of speech should indeed be expressed.

First, you should know that this forum is a global community where you will meet a lot of ideas from different kinds of people, some of which could be absolutely blather, despite the ranking system.

If you were someone who passed through college, then you would understand that there were students in the same level (let's say level 4) with you, but they were as dumb as a student still in level 1 or 2, whereas, if you analyze some students in level  1, you will find some students that are more knowledgeable as though they are already in the same level as you are. So, that's the difference we human beings have. Different ways of understanding things, different ways of responding to topics, and different ways of reading. First of all, someone needs to understand a topic before they can make a very good contribution to it, but some people only take a snippet. Another reason for some bullshit posts is because some high-ranking members here are in a rush to complete their signature post count for the week.

Blame it on anything, but what we have here are humans, not robots. Human beings will only contribute to the level of knowledge they have; the rank they possess on their account will not make them more knowledgeable or wise.



Cheers 🥂, Dr.Bitcoin_Strange 👺👺


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Stalker22 on June 17, 2023, 10:29:48 PM
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if everyone is smart then there will be no more discussion.

You are joking, right? Haha! I am guessing you have never taken part in or witnessed a heated scientific debate.

so I have to ask about my statement, that many high ranking members have low quality posts? talk nonsense and have no clear arguments. Is my statement correct?

I think you are only partially right in your assessment. Having a high forum rank doesn't automatically guarantee quality posts from a specific member. In the past, many ranks were granted without a merit-based system, solely based on activity such as the number of posts made. Thus, achieving a high rank was primarily a matter of being active rather than consistently providing valuable content.
The situation has changed now. Nowadays, members are required to collect a certain number of merits in order to advance their rank. This implies that other members find at least some of their posts valuable and deserving of recognition. The merit system serves as an indicator of the quality and contribution that a member brings to the forum.
Granted, this does not guarantee that top-ranking members will always create high-quality content, but it is more probable that you will receive a helpful response from a high-ranking member compared to a novice or low-ranking member.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: qwertyup23 on June 17, 2023, 11:30:27 PM
It's been a great day, I've read enough threads. I saw quite a lot of senior/hero/legendary rank discussions, but if I'm honest, I found a lot of comments that have no value, they just write nonsense. Maybe I did too

I realize that the quality of a post is based on the knowledge of the account owner. But stupid people are still needed to continue the discussion, if everyone is smart then there will be no more discussion. So both are needed.

I know for sure there will be a lot of comments that blaspheme me. I may be a newbie but I know that a post has value and a good argument. Maybe I haven't read all the threads, so I have to ask about my statement, that many high ranking members have low quality posts? talk nonsense and have no clear arguments. Is my statement correct?

Your statement is indeed correct. A high ranking user does not equate to a quality post being made. In all honesty, majority of these high-raking users post for the sake of completion in their signature campaign quota for the week. Some do not even bother to improve or make meaningful discussions with others which only contribute to the overall spam in the forum.

What I find truly remarkable is the number of brand-new users who create quality threads in the forum. Ever since the merit system was implemented, an influx of both spams and quality posters were made.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: PytagoraZ on June 18, 2023, 12:52:34 AM
If you're interested to know, who "deserves" their rank from our actual criterias, you should install the BPIP (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5224821.msg53812980#msg53812980) extension, which distinguishes between earned merits and merits.

Wow, there is a special extension for Bitcointalk. Thanks, I have it installed now

OP, If I am being honest with you, I don't even expect to see this kind of thread because, before you create it, you already know what the answer should be. But yes, freedom of speech should indeed be expressed.

I need someone else's opinion, that's why I'm asking. And I forgot a few things I have to consider

Another reason for some bullshit posts is because some high-ranking members here are in a rush to complete their signature post count for the week.

This is one point I forgot, maybe they were in a hurry to make a post or were in a bad mood. Maybe I would also do the same if in such conditions

Thx Dr. strange
I'm waiting for your latest film ;D

You are joking, right? Haha! I am guessing you have never taken part in or witnessed a heated scientific debate.

 ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Peanutswar on June 18, 2023, 01:25:42 AM
It's been a great day, I've read enough threads. I saw quite a lot of senior/hero/legendary rank discussions, but if I'm honest, I found a lot of comments that have no value, they just write nonsense. Maybe I did too

I realize that the quality of a post is based on the knowledge of the account owner. But stupid people are still needed to continue the discussion, if everyone is smart then there will be no more discussion. So both are needed.

I know for sure there will be a lot of comments that blaspheme me. I may be a newbie but I know that a post has value and a good argument. Maybe I haven't read all the threads, so I have to ask about my statement, that many high ranking members have low quality posts? talk nonsense and have no clear arguments. Is my statement correct?

Not all higher ranks have a higher quality of content and not all newbies have lower quality posts, in term of ranks before there was no merit system so after getting implemented it depends on their current activity with their ranks some already goes into full member up to legendary immediately if you can see those lower ranks climb into higher rank with merit system seems they deserve those because its hard to achieve a merit milestone for every rank check their whole post activity for sure you'll get those quality post but of course sometimes they are following some quota with their Signature campaign we cannot deny sometimes post of them not getting into the quality you are referring to.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Learn Bitcoin on June 18, 2023, 01:31:27 AM
but if I'm honest, I found a lot of comments that have no value, they just write nonsense. Maybe I did too.
People write for their signature payment only these days. Maybe you have seen some AI writing accusations as well. People want to spend as little time as possible to post and meet the minimum requirement to get paid. Many people ranked up with airdropped merit, and they are shit posters. They are primarily active on gambling and gambling discussion threads because they get paid for writing in those sections. Unfortunately, once members join the signature campaign, they are unlikely to get kicked unless they get some tags. I saw people are still participating in signature campaigns with less than ten merits earned in the last 120 days.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Not your key not your BTC on June 18, 2023, 02:07:17 AM
It's been a great day, I've read enough threads. I saw quite a lot of senior/hero/legendary rank discussions, but if I'm honest, I found a lot of comments that have no value, they just write nonsense. Maybe I did too
this will also happen to you after you got the signature campaign.

 don't lie, dude.

your post is just to get earned merit, rank up, got signature campaign and shit post!


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Pmalek on June 18, 2023, 07:41:52 AM
Calling someone stupid isn't always the right terminology. Not knowing something isn't synonymous for being stupid. It works the other way around as well. Knowing something doesn't make you more intelligent than the average guy. You might just be a well-informed idiot (using similar terminology as you). Questions are normal in all segments of life. They often mean you are paying attention and require additional clarification. What works in one scenario might not work in a different one. Hence, questions to get a wider understanding of the issue.

Wtf... I came in second. I'm not proud of that. I get support from merit sources. Maybe it's just luck
What's wrong with that? You make it sound like both things are bad: being on top of the merit table for low-rank members and receiving merits from merit sources. Merit sources are instrumental to users ranking up, simply because they have many more merits to pass along than regular members. For a regular member to send 1 merit, they need to receive 2 from other people. Merit sources have bags with hundreds of merits they can distribute.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Hamza2424 on June 18, 2023, 08:21:23 AM
It's been a great day, I've read enough threads. I saw quite a lot of senior/hero/legendary rank discussions, but if I'm honest, I found a lot of comments that have no value, they just write nonsense. Maybe I did too
Bro, I totally do agree with you that sometimes including myself write posts making no sense, even sometimes Newbies and Jr members write incredible content. This is totally based on the grip on the topic if I am a Hero member I have a grip on a specific topic then obviously my comments are gonna be more valuable but if some newbie or JR has a grip on any topic his thoughts and narrative is obviously gona be more prominent.

I realize that the quality of a post is based on the knowledge of the account owner. But stupid people are still needed to continue the discussion, if everyone is smart then there will be no more discussion. So both are needed.

Hmm, Point to be noted. Sometimes people just post to fill up the signature Qoutta and this is reality, even though I am not sure you are familiar with or not people even use AI to fill up the post count.




Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: mu_enrico on June 18, 2023, 10:00:18 AM
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Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
That's a difficult question since you need to define "post quality."
IMO, the quality of writing is subjective, it depends on who reads it and who grades it. It's even more challenging in the public forum where not all members have the same education level and major. But if the question is phrased differently such as "Do members with higher rank make more quality posts according to my taste?" The answer is probably a "no" for you since you make this thread. It's also a "no" for me since I have a different taste for "quality posts."

I saw quite a lot of senior/hero/legendary rank discussions, but if I'm honest, I found a lot of comments that have no value, they just write nonsense. Maybe I did too
It can be "no value" according to your taste, but valuable according to others. But it also can be because the members in question only post for a signature campaign, or got the rank before the merit system was implemented. It's difficult to talk in-depth because there's no real example.

Anyway, I'd say don't lose sleep over this as you control what you want to read and respond to. If you find it annoying, simply add them to your ignore list or just ignore them and don't reply.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on June 18, 2023, 11:28:26 AM
I need someone else's opinion, that's why I'm asking. And I forgot a few things I have to consider

Yeah, actually, while some topics are absolutely shit with no real intent of the OP to grasp any idea out of them, for some good reasons too, most threads are also genuinely created to get the opinion of other users, and certainly one user's opinion is not always the final, and I have no doubt you know why.

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or were in a bad mood. Maybe I would also do the same if in such conditions

In as much as we are not always in the right frame of mind all of the time, yeah, but having to drop some shitpost here is no better option, and I believe you know why. It doesn't add to your reputation here. I know that  very few of my posts may also be blather, because most of the time I just glance through the forum without much zeal to write, but seeing some topics that I can't just ignore, I will still try my best to say my opinion, even if it's not really what it should be at that moment. Even most times, I look at a thread and drop the idea or opinion I have at that moment, but when I come back to the topic the next day, I just have a new opinion to add to what I have previously said on that same topic. In most cases like that, I will just say, "To add up to what I had previously said." As much as I try to do more than 10 commandments on some good days, I can't for sure say that all are of high quality; but only a few can be blather. Most times, I don't even do any posts at all because it's better not to than to blather all the way.

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I'm waiting for your latest film ;D

I don't know what you mean by that, but whatever it is, explain it better.   ??? ??? :-X


Cheers 🥂, Dr.Bitcoin_Strange 👺👺


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Eureka_07 on June 18, 2023, 02:32:57 PM
The rank does not guarantee the quality of the post.
Most of the nonsense posts that you'll encounter are mostly just constructed to comply with rules (mostly about the post length) of the campaign they participated. You can report those kind of posts though.

Moreover, old members were given free rank up before. So some merits are not really hard earned.
Thinking positively, let's wish that those low quality posts will be lessened eventually and members will put more efforts to their posts.

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I know for sure there will be a lot of comments that blaspheme me. I may be a newbie but I know that a post has value and a good argument. Maybe I haven't read all the threads, so I have to ask about my statement, that many high ranking members have low quality posts? talk nonsense and have no clear arguments. Is my statement correct?
I see nothing wrong with your writings, it is your opinion, everyone should respect that.  Also, it is your choice to choose which type of words you'll be using.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: zaim7413 on June 18, 2023, 03:16:51 PM
Post quality is not judged by how high your account ranks, people will judge by what you write, not by who wrote it. Post quality is assessed subjectively, you can't demand to give a good rating for your post. Account rank does not guarantee posting quality, some forum members who rank Legendary do not necessarily have extensive knowledge in the forum, maybe they are in the highest ranking because they get Airdrop merit from the Admin. You can use the "Report to moderator" button if you come across a low quality post or one that talks gibberish that leads to spam.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Bureau on June 18, 2023, 03:39:34 PM
A high rank does not mean that a ranking member is good with quality posting. I know some of you would argue with my reasoning, it is true, and I know no one would understand it. My reasoning being a lot of currently high-ranking members got their rank before Merit system was implemented. You would see these spammers getting a neutral trust review as writing irrelevant replies. The problem is that such spammers are not banned but only tagged and they continue to do the same because they have been hired for a signature campaign.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Fiatless on June 18, 2023, 04:36:16 PM
It's been a great day, I've read enough threads. I saw quite a lot of senior/hero/legendary rank discussions, but if I'm honest, I found a lot of comments that have no value, they just write nonsense. Maybe I did too
If I want to rate the number of high-ranking members that are not knowledgeable about Bitcoin and the forum it will be 5%. Most high-ranking members have been around the form for a long time which has built their knowledge and experience.

One of the reasons why you feel that some posts from them are not meaningful is because of language barriers and grammatical errors. Some of them are not native English speakers and this affects their level of expression. But if you take a closer look at the post you will discover what they want to relate. If you check their merit history you might observe that they got a whole lot of merits from the local board. This happens because they were able to convey their thoughts, knowledge, and experience effectively in their local language.

Grammatical errors could also change the meaning of a post and make it sound meaningless. Generally, we have to go through carefully and patiently. Note: There is always sense in what you assume is nonsense.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: BD Crypto on June 18, 2023, 05:13:44 PM
But stupid people are still needed to continue the discussion, if everyone is smart then there will be no more discussion. So both are needed.
It's not a good habit to say someone stupid though his posts aren't on topic or meaningless. Maybe he has weakness in English.
Alright our discussion should be for educational purpose. So we do not need any shitposters. Because they will make discussion lengthy and meaningless. Anyway there's no problem about length but when someone will try to learn from the discussion they will feel embarrassed. So we should make this forum a beautiful place of meaningfull discussion.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Botnake on June 18, 2023, 09:45:18 PM
How can you tell if it’s quality post or not when you have not exposed yourself in the forum for long? I believe e everyone of us here has its own concept and perspective in each thread in the forum, and what we say or post depends on how knowledgeable we are, and not on the rank or position. However, there’s always an edge if you have higher rank or position since you are more exposed to how the market works and mastery is there. Thus, making high quality post is more possible than to expect for some newbies to do it.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: _BlackStar on June 18, 2023, 10:19:06 PM
Wtf... I came in second. I'm not proud of that. I get support from merit sources. Maybe it's just luck
What's wrong with that? You make it sound like both things are bad: being on top of the merit table for low-rank members and receiving merits from merit sources. Merit sources are instrumental to users ranking up, simply because they have many more merits to pass along than regular members. For a regular member to send 1 merit, they need to receive 2 from other people. Merit sources have bags with hundreds of merits they can distribute.
On the other hand - many newbies feel proud when they earned 1 merit after make a constructive post, whereas OP is not proud to have earned 40+ merit since signing up. My mind wanders and it's like imagining that a Legendary member or an experienced member is joking here. But wait - this is just my guess.

Post quality is not judged by how high your account ranks, people will judge by what you write, not by who wrote it.
Yes - I have to agree on that.

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Post quality is assessed subjectively, you can't demand to give a good rating for your post. Account rank does not guarantee posting quality, some forum members who rank Legendary do not necessarily have extensive knowledge in the forum, maybe they are in the highest ranking because they get Airdrop merit from the Admin. You can use the "Report to moderator" button if you come across a low quality post or one that talks gibberish that leads to spam.
That's right - the quality of posts is highly subjective based on the tastes of each user. You may have missed a lot of high quality posts you don't understand like technical discussions about bitcoin - while other users find them very useful. This depends on your taste, so it will definitely not be the same from one user to another.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Mr.right85 on June 18, 2023, 10:39:51 PM
I realize that the quality of a post is based on the knowledge of the account owner. But stupid people are still needed to continue the discussion, if everyone is smart then there will be no more discussion. So both are needed.

I know for sure there will be a lot of comments that blaspheme me. I may be a newbie but I know that a post has value and a good argument.
You don't write posts not to get some blasphemy out of it. If that be all that you get then, that's all that it is. Meaning, your not doing great buy rarely do we have that come around.
On the other hand, you could get both and that seems like a healthy discussion which means, you've got sides to what your expressing and people are taking there places in spreading out the views on the topic, that's okay.

Still, quality doesn't mean ranks. Although, it's expected that for one to have attained certain rank on the forum, they ought to have seen a lot and possibly knows a lot but, that's not always the case.
For some, maybe writing isn't actually there thing but somehow, they've made it to where they or we are.

You must not be doing a whole lot but, at least, do the little you can that matters but in doing that, improve yourself.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Fullcoinese on June 18, 2023, 10:55:19 PM
It's been a great day, I've read enough threads. I saw quite a lot of senior/hero/legendary rank discussions, but if I'm honest, I found a lot of comments that have no value, they just write nonsense. Maybe I did too

I realize that the quality of a post is based on the knowledge of the account owner. But stupid people are still needed to continue the discussion, if everyone is smart then there will be no more discussion. So both are needed.

I know for sure there will be a lot of comments that blaspheme me. I may be a newbie but I know that a post has value and a good argument. Maybe I haven't read all the threads, so I have to ask about my statement, that many high ranking members have low quality posts? talk nonsense and have no clear arguments. Is my statement correct?
yes, it's true that ranking doesn't necessarily guarantee the quality of a post or a comment.
if you find a post that you think is nonsense then simply leave the post or comment without calling them a bad connotation.
if you are disturbed by a post or a comment that only contains spam, racist, hate speech or has a negative meaning, just report it.
just keep your personal judgment to yourself. avoid using stupid words or words to belittle others.
as long as they follow the rules that apply, everyone here has the right to discuss and express their opinions even if they don't have sufficient knowledge.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: PytagoraZ on June 18, 2023, 11:31:27 PM
this will also happen to you after you got the signature campaign.

don't lie, dude.

your post is just to get earned merit, rank up, got signature campaign and shit post!

Is this also your goal? That's good. I love you

Calling someone stupid isn't always the right terminology. Not knowing something isn't synonymous for being stupid. It works the other way around as well. Knowing something doesn't make you more intelligent than the average guy. You might just be a well-informed idiot (using similar terminology as you). Questions are normal in all segments of life. They often mean you are paying attention and require additional clarification. What works in one scenario might not work in a different one. Hence, questions to get a wider understand of the issue.

Yes maybe you are right. Thank you for your attention. You are one of those who have good qualities.

That's a difficult question since you need to define "post quality."
IMO, the quality of writing is subjective, it depends on who reads it and who grades it. It's even more challenging in the public forum where not all members have the same education level and major. But if the question is phrased differently such as "Do members with higher rank make more quality posts according to my taste?" The answer is probably a "no" for you since you make this thread. It's also a "no" for me since I have a different taste for "quality posts."

Yes, it's subjective. You can use your point of view in assessing it. And my question is: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?

Cheers 🥂, Dr.Bitcoin_Strange 👺👺

I don't know what you mean by that. I can already see your name on your profile board. Is that not enough?

It's not a good habit to say someone stupid though his posts aren't on topic or meaningless. Maybe he has weakness in English.

Yes, that's a bad habit. Should I use the term "smart" for off-topic comments? OK, I'll try to consider this...

How can you tell if it’s quality post or not when you have not exposed yourself in the forum for long? I believe e everyone of us here has its own concept and perspective in each thread in the forum, and what we say or post depends on how knowledgeable we are, and not on the rank or position. However, there’s always an edge if you have higher rank or position since you are more exposed to how the market works and mastery is there. Thus, making high quality post is more possible than to expect for some newbies to do it.

Yes I agree with you. Members with high ranks have 80% better odds than beginners.

Yes, I'm sure all have different concepts in assessing post quality. So what do you mean? You did not answer my question


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: tech30338 on June 19, 2023, 04:42:07 AM
It's been a great day, I've read enough threads. I saw quite a lot of senior/hero/legendary rank discussions, but if I'm honest, I found a lot of comments that have no value, they just write nonsense. Maybe I did too

I realize that the quality of a post is based on the knowledge of the account owner. But stupid people are still needed to continue the discussion, if everyone is smart then there will be no more discussion. So both are needed.

I know for sure there will be a lot of comments that blaspheme me. I may be a newbie but I know that a post has value and a good argument. Maybe I haven't read all the threads, so I have to ask about my statement, that many high ranking members have low quality posts? talk nonsense and have no clear arguments. Is my statement correct?
Post is not about the knowledge of the owner, or even the comments, the fact that we are in the forum says it all, everyone has ideas and needed to be share to everyone since there are newbies and some are already, been here for so long, but post are here to be discuss, everyone have different ideas, if your saying that it should not to be continue and stop there, we should have created a FAQ thread and read from there, even the great people need to continue to learn or else you will be left behind.
I have been a few months in the forum and for me if you don't like what is the topic he/she post don't reply, sometimes post from newbies and others have sense but since they don't know how to write it , it became non-sense, by replying to them sometimes their questions and ideas became clearer and we are able to help them, on how we understand it.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: PytagoraZ on June 19, 2023, 05:24:08 AM
I have been a few months in the forum and for me if you don't like what is the topic he/she post don't reply, sometimes post from newbies and others have sense but since they don't know how to write it , it became non-sense, by replying to them sometimes their questions and ideas became clearer and we are able to help them, on how we understand it.

Yes I agree with you. There are people who have great ideas but find it hard to write well

Post is not about the knowledge of the owner, or even the comments, the fact that we are in the forum says it all, everyone has ideas and needed to be share to everyone since there are newbies and some are already, been here for so long.

If people write not from what they know, then where do they get ideas to write or comment on?


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Who is John Galt? on June 19, 2023, 04:22:13 PM
Yes, I'm sure all have different concepts in assessing post quality. So what do you mean? You did not answer my question

Given that reaching high ranks on this forum takes a long time, it is quite natural that during this time the user will gain some amount of new knowledge and, on average, will probably have more knowledge than, on average, a beginner. But these are all common words. In practice, it is much more important whether specific words will be accurate and reliable in a specific case when it will be important to you. And in this case, it’s better not to rely only on rank or something like that, it’s better, having received advice, to figure it out and make sure on your own. Even if a person is more experienced and understands the topic better, this does not mean that at some point he will not answer, being sleepy or not in the mood or not fully understanding the question.

It is important to learn from more experienced senior forum users, but it is also important to understand on your own what they are talking about.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: 20kevin20 on June 19, 2023, 04:59:16 PM
I know for sure there will be a lot of comments that blaspheme me. I may be a newbie but I know that a post has value and a good argument. Maybe I haven't read all the threads, so I have to ask about my statement, that many high ranking members have low quality posts? talk nonsense and have no clear arguments. Is my statement correct?
I can’t blaspheme you. You’re actually right and I’m the most on point example.

I think I was a Sr when I was around 2k posts and still only shitposting. I was just writing to fulfill campaign requirements and forgot this is an actually community I’m disrupting by posting BS nobody wanted to hear or read.

I remember this got to a point where the quality posters were making campaigns against signature campaigns. Some were starting campaigns suggesting everyone to push the ignore button for every single user who had ads in their sig. Then there was YoBit and that’s somewhere around the peak of crap Bitcointalk ever ingested. This forum was literally three quarters spammers posting just to touch the minimum campaign requirements. But then things got trimmed down. Yahoo blacklisted me from his campaigns. I was on the SMAS. Nobody wanted me to be part of a campaign because of it. And you know what? Although back then I was PM’ing the shit out of him asking for forgiveness and all, thank you yahoo for not doing it. That woke me up.

Then Bitcointalk introduced the merit system. That’s when things got slowed down so much. There are a handful of users who got airdropped enough merit to be automatically propped up to the  Legendary status but few enough to slow the campaign spammers down. Now there’s still spam and shitposting everywhere around, but it’s nothing compared to back then. We do have some users though who’ve been distributed among the highest ranks without deserving it. The merit system was universally applied though, there was no exception and we have to accept the situation.

On the other hand, there are some users who post high quality stuff only until they reach their goals, whether it’s ranking up or joining their favorite campaign. Spend a few seconds finding out which users have an actual opinion and argument to say and you’ll quickly and easily find out how to read only what’s worth reading on a thread.

I think I said before to Bitcointalk that I’m sorry about my past attitude but that’s not history to erase. It’s more important to embrace positive change and I think most of the shitposters own enough qualities to post more quality stuff if they want to. It’s always worth giving them a chance and at the end of the day, if they don’t want to change now, the circumstances of the future will enforce either a change or critical boredom that will propel them out of the forum.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Pmalek on June 19, 2023, 06:20:10 PM
Yes, it's subjective. You can use your point of view in assessing it. And my question is: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Let's put it like this: if a user advances quickly through different ranks by acquiring loads of merits, they are obviously doing something right. Whatever they are doing, there seems to be enough people willing to reward them with merits to signal that they are doing a good job. I think that in that scenario, ranking up means you are maintaining and/or improving your post quality.

But if you were simply here a few years ago when theymos introduced the merit system and became legendary based on your activity alone, you aren't necessarily a quality contributor. You could very well just be a massive spammer that had the new system work in your favor.   


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Viscore on June 19, 2023, 06:32:22 PM
There is no one who knows everything in this world but I agree with you on some non sense discussions which has no value and most of them don't know why they are getting into it because it has been already discussed many times in the same thread itself.

Receiving merits is a sign that someone is getting notified by other members of bitcointalk but it doesn't mean all others are just stupid and exists here for no reason. Everyone is trying to learn something and trying to contribute in a way they can and FYI not every great post received merit and all the posts received merits are great.
You were right in there. Merits are not given to all great posts in the forum, so you can’t tell that those who have not been merited are completely making pointless discussion. Everyone has their own idea or concept on the given thread so I think there’s no right or wrong here. It’s just that some posts were favored by other members so they leave merits for them while some posts may still be good and reasonable but have not gained attention by most of the members.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: PytagoraZ on June 20, 2023, 06:29:18 AM
It is important to learn from more experienced senior forum users, but it is also important to understand on your own what they are talking about.

Yes, I agree with you. Thank you for your attention.

But if you were simply here a few years ago when theymos introduced the merit system and became legendary based on your activity alone, you aren't necessarily a quality contributor. You could very well just be a massive spammer that had the new system work in your favor.   

Yes, you are right. Maybe I'll be part of the spammers.

I can’t blaspheme you. You’re actually right and I’m the most on point example.

I honestly can't fully understand your story. Because I wasn't here then. But it looks like you had a good experience that made you change for the better. What I know, people who can change themselves for the better are the best

You were right in there. Merits are not given to all great posts in the forum, so you can’t tell that those who have not been merited are completely making pointless discussion. Everyone has their own idea or concept on the given thread so I think there’s no right or wrong here. It’s just that some posts were favored by other members so they leave merits for them while some posts may still be good and reasonable but have not gained attention by most of the members.

Maybe like that. So I thought my post was too harsh



Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Helena Yu on June 20, 2023, 06:44:33 AM
You were right in there. Merits are not given to all great posts in the forum, so you can’t tell that those who have not been merited are completely making pointless discussion. Everyone has their own idea or concept on the given thread so I think there’s no right or wrong here. It’s just that some posts were favored by other members so they leave merits for them while some posts may still be good and reasonable but have not gained attention by most of the members.
It doesn't make sense if someone regularly make high quality posts and they not receive any merit, merit sources are everywhere in this forum, other people could just merit them or report it to this thread [self-moderated] Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5093271.0).

But it's obviously ranking isn't the only one thing to judge someone post quality, a new newbie rank and low number of posts might be a good poster, but if there's a newbie rank with high number of posts e.g. 1000+ and he only receive 10 merits. It's obviously a spammer or shitposter.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: LogitechMouse on June 20, 2023, 06:45:22 AM
It's good that you are responding to some answers here. :)
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Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
No.
Some might said their opinion regarding this question, and I'll share mine as well.

I've seen Legendary ranked members here that are posting low quality, and repetitive posts in different threads. I've also seen high-ranked members who are just posting 2-3 sentences in every thread that they see. On the other hand, there are some new members who climbed up on their ranks, and currently they are either Legendary, or will be in the future (probably they lack of activity). I mean I've saw a handful of new members here who has a rank of newbie, and just after 3-6 months, they have enough merits to become a Legendary already. Those are the ones who are posting high quality ones, and really are contributing here in the forum.

No disrespect to those shitposters because I might be one as well, but I just hope that we - high ranked members here might step up in terms of their quality of posting here. I guess it's a good thing that the merit system has implemented or else, we are seeing those users who are just posting proofs on bounty threads that are now Legendary rank or Hero Member.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Luzin on June 20, 2023, 07:36:45 AM
It doesn't make sense if someone regularly make high quality posts and they not receive any merit, merit sources are everywhere in this forum, other people could just merit them or report it to this thread [self-moderated] Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5093271.0).

Even I need to think about making a post. At least about 10-20 minutes to make it accompanied by evidence to strengthen the argument. At least there may be participants who are like you said. Quality posts do not have exact standards, this is because the standards of each user's rewards are sometimes different. It's true that sometimes we have periods of decline in quality, but someone who is used to good posts may find it easier to write. But since I joined this time I saw on local forums, bad posts decreased. For global, it doesn't seem to happen much either. It seems that the existence of Merit makes users more eager to create the best reply topic.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Accardo on June 20, 2023, 07:45:56 AM
It's good that you are responding to some answers here. :)
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Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
No.
Some might said their opinion regarding this question, and I'll share mine as well.

I've seen Legendary ranked members here that are posting low quality, and repetitive posts in different threads. I've also seen high-ranked members who are just posting 2-3 sentences in every thread that they see. On the other hand, there are some new members who climbed up on their ranks, and currently they are either Legendary, or will be in the future (probably they lack of activity). I mean I've saw a handful of new members here who has a rank of newbie, and just after 3-6 months, they have enough merits to become a Legendary already. Those are the ones who are posting high quality ones, and really are contributing here in the forum.

No disrespect to those shitposters because I might be one as well, but I just hope that we - high ranked members here might step up in terms of their quality of posting here. I guess it's a good thing that the merit system has implemented or else, we are seeing those users who are just posting proofs on bounty threads that are now Legendary rank or Hero Member.

Every member of this forum is compelled to be a good writer and many times writers get block and can't figure out a better idea to address on their responses. An average user visits and contributes to this forum at least 5 days a week; spending atleast 2-3 hours reading the forum. And some members have been practicing this for quite a long time amounting to 4-5 years of active service ;D

 it's not a simple accomplishment to do that, most times the quality of their responses drops because they don't know much about the topic and had to fit into the discussion. But, if you get them on a topic they studied well, they is always a quality change. As for members that get enough merits within 6 months I respect them because I understand how much work they put in to achieve that. The forum is simple on its own, but not simpler to understand completely how it works and in my view the forum readers can detect when a member spent so much time building a thread. Such posts always get enough merits. Good and constructive writing requires research, editing and time. Not every member possess such luxury.

As for the old members that got promoted when the merit system was initiated, I don't think a lot of them still use this forum to be pointing fingers that they're the high ranked users with low quality posts. I see many active accounts from 2020 upwards I rarely see active 2014, 2016 or even 2017 accounts compared to 2019 upwards accounts. Everyone is doing their best.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: GeorgeJohn on June 20, 2023, 08:16:50 AM
Theirs one thing in forum, which I know quite well that's problem of forum, many people who you think that their suggestions is trash, really they might be trash base on the turn you use to read their comments, for you to understand what another person is saying you have to read like two times of the writer composition before concluding, because sometimes your observations might be real because of how people repeat some discussed issues in order to complete their weekly post quota, that's the time you see some of forum higher rank users to make a verbal comment. But a newbie have to make a cogent or a quality post that's very necessary and understanding, because its obvious that any newbie thread is attractive to old forum users, so therefore new users have to calm down and make a quality posts.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: pixie85 on June 20, 2023, 11:06:46 AM
How can you tell if it’s quality post or not when you have not exposed yourself in the forum for long? I believe e everyone of us here has its own concept and perspective in each thread in the forum, and what we say or post depends on how knowledgeable we are, and not on the rank or position. However, there’s always an edge if you have higher rank or position since you are more exposed to how the market works and mastery is there. Thus, making high quality post is more possible than to expect for some newbies to do it.

Maybe OP saw some posts that weren't making sense in the discussion, or were off-topic. It's pretty much the forum reality where high ranked accounts posts in mega threads because they need that 1 or 2 posts to make their campaign quota for that week.

If you want to find something in a large group like this one, you will eventually find it.
Choose what you want, a spammer, a plagiarizer, a high ranked newbie, low ranked professional, someone who is 16 years old, someone who is 60. I don't see anything worth complaining about.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: CYBER_COWBOY on June 20, 2023, 12:55:15 PM
Hello, I think at least you doing something very good and right your Merit earning is very good for such a short time.

Congratulations and continue with the good work


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: PytagoraZ on June 20, 2023, 01:07:03 PM
Hello, I think at least you doing something very good and right your Merit earning is very good for such a short time.

Congratulations and continue with the good work

Hi... These sound like beautiful words and compliments. But not always what is beautiful is good. Maybe what you convey includes off-topic comments ;)


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: GeorgeJohn on June 20, 2023, 02:27:29 PM
Hello, I think at least you doing something very good and right your Merit earning is very good for such a short time.

Congratulations and continue with the good work

Hi... These sound like beautiful words and compliments. But not always what is beautiful is good. Maybe what you convey includes off-topic comments ;)
Actually it's an off point because what it portray does not relate with any of the discussion the way I'm seeing it, he used his time to congratulate when it's not time to do such, I believe that it suppose to read stanza by stanza to understand what's the discussion is all about before rendering its suggestions.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: CryptopreneurBrainboss on June 20, 2023, 03:35:27 PM
I know for sure there will be a lot of comments that blaspheme me. I may be a newbie but I know that a post has value and a good argument. Maybe I haven't read all the threads, so I have to ask about my statement, that many high ranking members have low quality posts? talk nonsense and have no clear arguments. Is my statement correct?

Irrespective of the rank on the forum, it's the person behind the accounts that determine the quality of the posts and not the ranks. Bear in mind that some high ranks account you see were just airdropped merits and didn't earn the number of merits you see their account having so don't think they got their because of their quality. Some where privilege to be around the early forum users when only activities matters to rank up and you can get their by barely writing the minimum. We also have spammers in all ranks including the higher ranks so you shouldn't be using those spamming to justify all high ranked accounts.

We also have people from different parts of the world and not native speakers of english and we all know english also has it's effects on posts that are quality. A poorly constructed reply might be considered a bad posts that lack quality but the users might had made more sense if he was a native speaker of english language or had good writing skills. All I'm saying is not all post you see that the users instead to not make sense with their write up but sometimes their english disappoints them. Ranks doesn't mandate quality but it does have its influence if the users grew the account from newbie to whatever ranks he's at now because he must have gained experience and that'll help with his writing provided the users isn't intentionally spamming to make up for the weeks quota of the signature campaign they're enrolled in.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Vaculin on June 20, 2023, 08:42:28 PM
It's been a great day, I've read enough threads. I saw quite a lot of senior/hero/legendary rank discussions, but if I'm honest, I found a lot of comments that have no value, they just write nonsense. Maybe I did too

I realize that the quality of a post is based on the knowledge of the account owner. But stupid people are still needed to continue the discussion, if everyone is smart then there will be no more discussion. So both are needed.

I know for sure there will be a lot of comments that blaspheme me. I may be a newbie but I know that a post has value and a good argument. Maybe I haven't read all the threads, so I have to ask about my statement, that many high ranking members have low quality posts? talk nonsense and have no clear arguments. Is my statement correct?
This forum shows an interactive discussion not because some are stupid enough not to easily understand but because each member has its own ideas or opinions on the given thread. So the more members who have great ideas, the more lively the discussion is. However, I believe the quality of the post is not based on the rank of a member as there are actually newbies who have great ideas on the topics while some higher rank members have less to say about it. So a quality post is actually made if a member is highly knowledgeable or highly experienced depending on the situation given.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Kasabus on June 20, 2023, 09:50:38 PM
I will never deny that a lot of high rank members are still into spamming and creating low quality post. But know that everything will be learned in time as long as they continue to explore the forum and learn from the high quality post of some reputable members. And by having DYOR, which i think is a must for all of us, we will always improve what we have learned and eventually share it to others so they can also benefit from us.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: libert19 on June 22, 2023, 08:04:27 AM
Cheers 🥂, Dr.Bitcoin_Strange 👺👺
I don't know what you mean by that. I can already see your name on your profile board. Is that not enough?

Maybe because his name is Dr.Bitcoin_Strange and not Dr Strange. I skimmed through Bitcoin word first time too.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: iBaba on June 22, 2023, 08:32:51 AM
It's been a great day, I've read enough threads. I saw quite a lot of senior/hero/legendary rank discussions, but if I'm honest, I found a lot of comments that have no value, they just write nonsense. Maybe I did too

I realize that the quality of a post is based on the knowledge of the account owner. But stupid people are still needed to continue the discussion, if everyone is smart then there will be no more discussion. So both are needed.

I know for sure there will be a lot of comments that blaspheme me. I may be a newbie but I know that a post has value and a good argument. Maybe I haven't read all the threads, so I have to ask about my statement, that many high ranking members have low quality posts? talk nonsense and have no clear arguments. Is my statement correct?

Like seriously? I am of contrary view. I maybe a newbie as well but I must commend this forum thus far, especially with the introduction of the Merit system, which I believe is holistic enough to scale up meaningful contributions. Like it was mentioned earlier, what makes sense to you, might not with me, depending on our viewpoints and our need for results.

This is a forum, where a lot of users spring up discussions and problems that require solutions. A lot of answers are provided individually and uniquely  to solve these problems and those asking the questions and observing could extend their gesture by rewarding efforts with the merits. These merits goes on to measure your level of performance and reliability then pushes you up the ladder. I think it is clear that the forum is against shit posts.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Gallar on June 22, 2023, 10:03:35 AM
I know for sure there will be a lot of comments that blaspheme me. I may be a newbie but I know that a post has value and a good argument. Maybe I haven't read all the threads, so I have to ask about my statement, that many high ranking members have low quality posts? talk nonsense and have no clear arguments. Is my statement correct?
The quality of posts really cannot be focused on ranking factors. Because even those who are ranked legendary, once in a while maybe they can make a post that is of less quality. There are also not a few beginners who have quality quality posts.
But what I have monitored and seen so far, most of the forum members who have gotten quite high ratings such as FM, SR, Hero, especially legendary, mostly have quality posts. So if you think that members who are highly ranked, their posts are sometimes less qualified, I don't blame either. But you need to know, if members in this forum can rise to a higher rank, it's not engineering or manipulation, but it's genuine because of the quality of the posts. You also need to remember, that the members in this forum are all human. Which means it must have increased and decreased in all respects, including the quality of posts in this forum as well. So the posts you see are definitely not the best performance, or it's not a topic that the member doesn't understand.
Because not all the high ranking members in this forum have mastered the whole topic, but have expertise in their respective fields.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Sandra_hakeem on June 22, 2023, 09:58:11 PM
Does ranking not guarantee post quality?? Is that' your question??
...that would actually infer that you assumed it to be true right? But alot of things aren't accurate through assumptions; the right thing to do is ask questions, just like you did.
What makes you think that ranks in here are some kinda sub-forum intermediaries (connectors), that somewhat makes everything right even when they're wrong, or changes people's point of view, appraisals or whatever...?? No!!! Using the word "guarantee" in there is a no no for me.
We all know that every account has a dynamic op behind it,. And certainly,WHAT YOU KNOW IS WHAT YOU GIVE OUT!!

Sandra 🧑‍🦰


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: woez on June 24, 2023, 11:09:25 AM
I know for sure there will be a lot of comments that blaspheme me. I may be a newbie but I know that a post has value and a good argument. Maybe I haven't read all the threads, so I have to ask about my statement, that many high ranking members have low quality posts? talk nonsense and have no clear arguments. Is my statement correct?
The quality of posts really cannot be focused on ranking factors. Because even those who are ranked legendary, once in a while maybe they can make a post that is of less quality. There are also not a few beginners who have quality quality posts.
But what I have monitored and seen so far, most of the forum members who have gotten quite high ratings such as FM, SR, Hero, especially legendary, mostly have quality posts. So if you think that members who are highly ranked, their posts are sometimes less qualified, I don't blame either. But you need to know, if members in this forum can rise to a higher rank, it's not engineering or manipulation, but it's genuine because of the quality of the posts. You also need to remember, that the members in this forum are all human. Which means it must have increased and decreased in all respects, including the quality of posts in this forum as well. So the posts you see are definitely not the best performance, or it's not a topic that the member doesn't understand.
Because not all the high ranking members in this forum have mastered the whole topic, but have expertise in their respective fields.

Improving the quality of posts is not born without reason, if they are written without foundation and only from sources of thought, I think it is still lacking, but if supported by clear reference sources, maybe this will be better, this will continue the tension of the conversation in strengthening arguments and can be conveyed again from what we have said before. Yes. read a lot and know to take the essence of what we learn.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: ampere on June 24, 2023, 01:25:42 PM
It's been a great day, I've read enough threads. I saw quite a lot of senior/hero/legendary rank discussions, but if I'm honest, I found a lot of comments that have no value, they just write nonsense. Maybe I did too

I realize that the quality of a post is based on the knowledge of the account owner. But stupid people are still needed to continue the discussion, if everyone is smart then there will be no more discussion. So both are needed.

I know for sure there will be a lot of comments that blaspheme me. I may be a newbie but I know that a post has value and a good argument. Maybe I haven't read all the threads, so I have to ask about my statement, that many high ranking members have low quality posts? talk nonsense and have no clear arguments. Is my statement correct?

Well, i made similar comments yesterday in one of my comments about the needs to disagree with peoples comment respectfully. "You don;t have to say people write nonsense", i find it totally wrong.

Also, when it comes to replying a long thread of topics, sometimes the discussions change direction, and peeps would only reply to the basis they feel they have an idea about. Your state is incorrect.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Eureka_07 on June 24, 2023, 01:39:05 PM
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Well, i made similar comments yesterday in one of my comments about the needs to disagree with peoples comment respectfully. "You don;t have to say people write nonsense", i find it totally wrong.

Also, when it comes to replying a long thread of topics, sometimes the discussions change direction, and peeps would only reply to the basis they feel they have an idea about. Your state is incorrect.
There is nothing wrong telling that he find some users writing doing nonsense posts if he really did observed that. If it is true, why not spill, at the first place he is not attacking any specific user so there should be no issue regarding that.
As much as we can, we should stay relevant to the topic, I would agree that sometimes the discussion is getting away from the main topic, but it should at least still be connected to the discussion.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Raceonsucced on June 24, 2023, 01:44:35 PM
I think high ranking members have more knowledge and broader insights, that's why they get rewarded and rank up. And everyone has a different mindset. So just respect what everyone posts, because everyone has their own rights and opinions.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Awaklara on June 24, 2023, 03:26:44 PM
I think high ranking members have more knowledge and broader insights, that's why they get rewarded and rank up. And everyone has a different mindset. So just respect what everyone posts, because everyone has their own rights and opinions.

before the Merit system was implemented, forum members could easily rank up by simply making a sufficient amount of activity to rank up. so they don't run into difficulties like beginners when the Merit system is implemented.
but you can see, old members who stay active and contribute to the forum. they have the quality to collect a lot of Merit. it is a form of appreciation from fellow forum members.

so we can't judge the quality of a post or the understanding of a topic by their forum rating. the reality was that there were newbies who accumulated a large amount of Merit in a short amount of time. it shows the quality of the posts he shares.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Ultegra134 on June 24, 2023, 09:18:09 PM
I think high ranking members have more knowledge and broader insights, that's why they get rewarded and rank up. And everyone has a different mindset. So just respect what everyone posts, because everyone has their own rights and opinions.

before the Merit system was implemented, forum members could easily rank up by simply making a sufficient amount of activity to rank up. so they don't run into difficulties like beginners when the Merit system is implemented.
but you can see, old members who stay active and contribute to the forum. they have the quality to collect a lot of Merit. it is a form of appreciation from fellow forum members.

so we can't judge the quality of a post or the understanding of a topic by their forum rating. the reality was that there were newbies who accumulated a large amount of Merit in a short amount of time. it shows the quality of the posts he shares.
At first, the merit system discouraged a lot of users, including myself. I thought I'd never rank up, while I was followed by a large period of inactivity, due to a major market crash. Ultimately, ranking up wasn't that hard after all. Some of those members are the exception to the rule of lower post quality. In general, those who have managed to accumulate enough merit to rank up are likely worthy enough to create quality and worthwhile posts. Thus, higher ranks are likely to create better content, but that isn't always guaranteed, because there's still a decent number of users who were already Sr members and above simply by being active and creating content of dubious quality.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: nurilham on June 24, 2023, 09:59:17 PM
I saw quite a lot of senior/hero/legendary rank discussions, but if I'm honest, I found a lot of comments that have no value, they just write nonsense.
You shouldn't be so surprised, forum account never guarantee how good the post quality or knowledge of someone. Moreover, in the past to reach high ranks, we only need to increase the number of activities. But now, it is quite difficult to achieve high ranks, we need merits. To earn merits, it requires quality posts.

I realize that the quality of a post is based on the knowledge of the account owner. But stupid people are still needed to continue the discussion, if everyone is smart then there will be no more discussion. So both are needed.
Of course, post quality is related to the account owner. Even if it is a newbie account, his post can be quality enough if he is an experienced person in crypto space. But a newbie account probably has a lack knowledge about this forum, especially an account with low activity.

I don't think only stupid people who continue joining discussions. Smart people who are interested in new topics, will constantly join discussions. They also may want to help other members who ask certain information, both related to forum or crypto as a whole.

I may be a newbie but I know that a post has value and a good argument. Maybe I haven't read all the threads, so I have to ask about my statement, that many high ranking members have low quality posts?
The quality or value of a post can be very subjective. Your assumptions can be different with others.
But if you find the names of some members in the threads below, they clearly have low quality posts.
1. Wall of fame / shame. Shit posts so bad that they are actually funny (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4564216.0)
2. [Spammer Blacklist] The Shitlist (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4440941.0)
3. Bounty spammer meets AI Chat generator (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434499.0)
4. Report plagiarism (copy/paste) here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.0)

However, someone can change. If someone realizes his low quality posts and want to improve it, he can have quality posts in the future. People who learn seriously, can improve their post quality and knowledge.



Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Asuspawer09 on June 24, 2023, 11:26:16 PM
It's been a great day, I've read enough threads. I saw quite a lot of senior/hero/legendary rank discussions, but if I'm honest, I found a lot of comments that have no value, they just write nonsense. Maybe I did too

I realize that the quality of a post is based on the knowledge of the account owner. But stupid people are still needed to continue the discussion, if everyone is smart then there will be no more discussion. So both are needed.

I know for sure there will be a lot of comments that blaspheme me. I may be a newbie but I know that a post has value and a good argument. Maybe I haven't read all the threads, so I have to ask about my statement, that many high ranking members have low quality posts? talk nonsense and have no clear arguments. Is my statement correct?

For sure ranking doesn't guarantee post quality, if you are a high-rank member here in the forum that doesn't really guarantee that all of your posts are going to be informative or constructive post right. But for sure this member has a lot of experience in cryptocurrency so we mostly trusted the replies and posts of high-rank members, it wasn't easy to get to a legendary rank so they also have a lot of posts, if you visit some of the legendary profiles here in the forum you could see that there are thousands of post and merits on their account, it wasn't easy to do that as well as getting merits would take a lot of high-quality posts.

I mean most of the high-rank members do reply directly to the point of a certain topic so I see as well a lot of high ranks have a very short reply on some topics but that doesn't really mean it wasn't a good post since the answer was head-on and straight to the point. So keep that in mind as well, the length of the post doesn't mean quality if that's what you mean.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Daniel91 on June 25, 2023, 01:01:46 PM
It's been a great day, I've read enough threads. I saw quite a lot of senior/hero/legendary rank discussions, but if I'm honest, I found a lot of comments that have no value, they just write nonsense. Maybe I did too

I realize that the quality of a post is based on the knowledge of the account owner. But stupid people are still needed to continue the discussion, if everyone is smart then there will be no more discussion. So both are needed.

I know for sure there will be a lot of comments that blaspheme me. I may be a newbie but I know that a post has value and a good argument. Maybe I haven't read all the threads, so I have to ask about my statement, that many high ranking members have low quality posts? talk nonsense and have no clear arguments. Is my statement correct?

For sure ranking doesn't guarantee post quality, if you are a high-rank member here in the forum that doesn't really guarantee that all of your posts are going to be informative or constructive post right. But for sure this member has a lot of experience in cryptocurrency so we mostly trusted the replies and posts of high-rank members, it wasn't easy to get to a legendary rank so they also have a lot of posts, if you visit some of the legendary profiles here in the forum you could see that there are thousands of post and merits on their account, it wasn't easy to do that as well as getting merits would take a lot of high-quality posts.

I mean most of the high-rank members do reply directly to the point of a certain topic so I see as well a lot of high ranks have a very short reply on some topics but that doesn't really mean it wasn't a good post since the answer was head-on and straight to the point. So keep that in mind as well, the length of the post doesn't mean quality if that's what you mean.

Ok, I think something needs to be clarified here again.
The merit system was introduced to this forum 5 years ago.
Up until that point, all members could earn their legendary rank based solely on their forum activity, not the quality of their posts.
Considering that, it is realistic that today on this forum we have a lot of legendary members who got their forum rank not on the basis of a great contribution to the forum and the quality of their posts, but solely thanks to the fact that they became members of this forum relatively early.
So, I can agree with the opening statement that forum rank does not guarantee the quality of the post.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Russlenat on June 25, 2023, 02:56:53 PM
It's been a great day, I've read enough threads. I saw quite a lot of senior/hero/legendary rank discussions, but if I'm honest, I found a lot of comments that have no value, they just write nonsense. Maybe I did too

I realize that the quality of a post is based on the knowledge of the account owner. But stupid people are still needed to continue the discussion, if everyone is smart then there will be no more discussion. So both are needed.

I know for sure there will be a lot of comments that blaspheme me. I may be a newbie but I know that a post has value and a good argument. Maybe I haven't read all the threads, so I have to ask about my statement, that many high ranking members have low quality posts? talk nonsense and have no clear arguments. Is my statement correct?
If we will follow the standards, high rank members should be more knowledgeable and resourceful since they were able to receive a lot of merits from members who actually benefited from their post. That’s how it should be. However, I cannot deny that we are still seeing high rank members who are making low value posts and are not even skilled in conveying their message to other people through their various post. But be reminded that everyone is free to improve his/her performance in the forum. We just have to encourage them and even motivate them to be at their best version. That’s the essence why at some point, constructive criticism is a must.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Mpamaegbu on June 25, 2023, 03:13:31 PM
It's been a great day, I've read enough threads. I saw quite a lot of senior/hero/legendary rank discussions, but if I'm honest, I found a lot of comments that have no value, they just write nonsense. Maybe I did too

I realize that the quality of a post is based on the knowledge of the account owner. But stupid people are still needed to continue the discussion, if everyone is smart then there will be no more discussion. So both are needed.
You're right on your observation. You should know that ranks don't determine anyone's level of intelligence, neither does the number of merits gathered over a space of 120 days which is demanded by most campaign managers as a part of entry qualifications mean quality. I've seen those without much merit but who have nice posts and contributions, the same way I've run into a couple of great newbies who knew what they were saying. Like I continue to maintain that meriting posts is a subjective thing, it doesn't necessarily mean such posts are exceptional. Only the person meriting them knows why they're doing so. It lies on individual's discretion.

Yeah, if everyone were smart and on the same page there won't be dissenting opinions and it will be boring. Just like society won't be wholesome if everyone were rich or poor. Both have to exist side by side.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Crypto Library on June 26, 2023, 07:47:13 PM
It's been a great day, I've read enough threads. I saw quite a lot of senior/hero/legendary rank discussions, but if I'm honest, I found a lot of comments that have no value, they just write nonsense. Maybe I did too

I realize that the quality of a post is based on the knowledge of the account owner. But stupid people are still needed to continue the discussion, if everyone is smart then there will be no more discussion. So both are needed.

I know for sure there will be a lot of comments that blaspheme me. I may be a newbie but I know that a post has value and a good argument. Maybe I haven't read all the threads, so I have to ask about my statement, that many high ranking members have low quality posts? talk nonsense and have no clear arguments. Is my statement correct?
I think you bring up a valid point, yes I think that ranking does not really guarantee post quality. Do you think all Legendary ,Hero ,Sr etc members of the forum are good posters or rank up for their better quality posts? If you think so then you are wrong. Because this merit system did not exist till 2018, then ranking was determined based on posts only. So there are many accounts among those who ranked up or farmed accounts before 2018.
I think those accounts as well as sold accounts are only posting jerks to complete the signature campaign's post requirement. But currently, most of those who are ranking up they own qualifications, but that doesn't mean there aren't still bad quality posters among them. Of course, you can see that most of them who are ranking up are merit earned only from merit airdrops made the rank up. And it's not that no action is taken against such posters in the forum, action is already being taken, DT members are there, and forum moderators are also working. Did you know that out of 3.5 million users, 2.8 million user profiles are archived? Among them are not only newbie members ,higher ranks are there.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Finestream on June 26, 2023, 09:30:38 PM
It's been a great day, I've read enough threads. I saw quite a lot of senior/hero/legendary rank discussions, but if I'm honest, I found a lot of comments that have no value, they just write nonsense. Maybe I did too

I realize that the quality of a post is based on the knowledge of the account owner. But stupid people are still needed to continue the discussion, if everyone is smart then there will be no more discussion. So both are needed.
You're right on your observation. You should know that ranks don't determine anyone's level of intelligence, neither does the number of merits gathered over a space of 120 days which is demanded by most campaign managers as a part of entry qualifications mean quality. I've seen those without much merit but who have nice posts and contributions, the same way I've run into a couple of great newbies who knew what they were saying. Like I continue to maintain that meriting posts is a subjective thing, it doesn't necessarily mean such posts are exceptional. Only the person meriting them knows why they're doing so. It lies on individual's discretion.

Yeah, if everyone were smart and on the same page there won't be dissenting opinions and it will be boring. Just like society won't be wholesome if everyone were rich or poor. Both have to exist side by side.
Absolutely right. Not all those who have higher positions or those who keep on receiving merits are considered high quality posters. Some are actually making irrelevant post that are off topic or not useful in the forum. But since we ought to respect individual’s post, then we should not resort into negative criticisms but those constructive ones only. After all, as long they’re open for corrections and willing to learn more in the forum, then probably in the future they’ll be exceptional posters for real.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Sexylizzy2813 on June 27, 2023, 02:52:14 AM
It's been a great day, I've read enough threads. I saw quite a lot of senior/hero/legendary rank discussions, but if I'm honest, I found a lot of comments that have no value, they just write nonsense. Maybe I did too

I realize that the quality of a post is based on the knowledge of the account owner. But stupid people are still needed to continue the discussion, if everyone is smart then there will be no more discussion. So both are needed.

I know for sure there will be a lot of comments that blaspheme me. I may be a newbie but I know that a post has value and a good argument. Maybe I haven't read all the threads, so I have to ask about my statement, that many high ranking members have low quality posts? talk nonsense and have no clear arguments. Is my statement correct?

Your statement is correct but is not all the time that one would spit out sense while posting, sometimes we all feel we're not making sense but to others we're making so much sense so you can't always judge everyone's comment, whatever you see as quote, comment or replies is just their own opinion, you have to respect that.
Ranking and post are just two different thing on this Forum and is not the ranking that's making the post, is the user so whatever comes out from his or her head that's what they post based on understanding, nobody is perfect.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: stadus on July 29, 2023, 02:10:19 PM
The answer to your question is yes. If merit is the basis of ranking, then one could earn merits even if a user does not have a lot of quality posts. Some may buy merits from other accounts just to rank up, but starting as a newbie, it's kind of hard. Perhaps only a few are doing that, as the majority of users genuinely focus on the value of their posts to earn merits.

I know that merit should not be the main focus of joining the forum, but we cannot deny that some see the opportunity in joining a signature campaign, so they work hard to earn merits. Unfortunately, there are cases where, after ranking up and being accepted in a campaign, their post quality slowly depreciates. The good thing is that now there are campaign managers who continuously check the participants' post quality to ensure they maintain the required standard while still earning from the campaign.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Onyeeze on July 29, 2023, 02:36:51 PM
What I notice in ranking and post quality is that you maybe in higher rank and someone who is low rank have more quality than person of high rank. Post quality is all about your knowledge and experience you have on something, someone that doesn't have a good knowledge can not have a quality. When you read most of the beginners post you know that some of the beginners is writing good quality but the problem is that they have not be expose and with the continuity of good writing will make them to be known, ranking is different from quality because a quality writing come from brain and it may be low rank or higher rank person


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: tranthidung on July 29, 2023, 02:51:23 PM
Post quality is all about your knowledge and experience you have on something, someone that doesn't have a good knowledge can not have a quality.
Disagree with you.

Knowledge helps you to have better ability to join discussions and to help other members to solve their problems but it is not enough. If you don't have a necessary attitude to write a constructive post, knowledge means nothing.

If a newbie is really learning, sometimes a post to ask for help can raise something really interesting, it means quality. You don't need to write posts to answers someone in order to get a quality post. Questions can be quality posts too as when you raise questions, you detect problems that might not be known by the community.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: ImThour on July 29, 2023, 03:45:51 PM
Indeed, that's true. There are various accounts with much higher ranks whose post(s) don't make any sense. I might be one of them but It's okay, you do not get Legendary Rank without earning the Merit it requires and the activity. So the one who has spent his time, providing something to the community will only be able to reach the higher ranks.

Maybe you just see their posts in boards like Beginners & Help and Bitcoin discussion, maybe you visit other boards and see how the same people are contributing.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Cricktor on July 29, 2023, 04:40:47 PM
Quality of a post is kind of subjective I believe and depends on expectations or needs a reader has. You can contribute to a solution in a problem topic with some details in maybe bad language that nobody has come up with so far and nail it. Is that then bad quality? I personally don't think so. I try to judge posts on how they contribute to the thread's topic(s).

It's not always the well structured and well written posts that contribute more. It certainly helps if you can express yourself in a well structured way and it makes it easier for others to follow your ideas and thoughts. But good structure usually helps because the more you thought about it the better are your thoughts laid out.

I find it crucial for a good contribution to a topic what motive a poster has. You have to ask yourself before posting:
  • can I contribute in some good and helpful way to the topic?
  • can I express my thoughts or details I know in such a way that others can understand it?
  • do I add something good to a topic?
  • what's the urge to post a reply?

Another thing is: do I have any plans and urges to rank up? If users have something like signature campaigns in mind to rank up for as fast as possible from the start of their forum membership on, then it's going to be a rough time for them. For that you need knowledge and eloquence, find the right spots to post and be a smart ass (in positive sense; you certainly don't want to piss people off). There's not much wrong with that, I won't judge.

If your primary goal is to participate in "forum life", make decent contributions, talk about topics you're interested in, learn things you don't know yet and don't want to be a dick or cunt, then you're likely not on a wrong path. You can be controversial, nothing wrong with that and controversial opinions are needed to shed light in every corner. What matters is how controversy is expressed, argued and handled.

Then there are posting requirements imposed by signature campaigns. Shall I call me "spoiled" since some weeks now? I hope not, I'm working on it. It's a fine line to walk. Yes, on one hand I want to reach the goals possible, those who provide the coins for campaigns have expectations, want as much coverage as they're willing to pay for, on the other hand I want to remain me, true to my own standards. Not easy, I can tell for myself.



Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Onyeeze on July 29, 2023, 08:46:07 PM
Post quality is all about your knowledge and experience you have on something, someone that doesn't have a good knowledge can not have a quality.
Disagree with you.

Knowledge helps you to have better ability to join discussions and to help other members to solve their problems but it is not enough. If you don't have a necessary attitude to write a constructive post, knowledge means nothing.

If a newbie is really learning, sometimes a post to ask for help can raise something really interesting, it means quality. You don't need to write posts to answers someone in order to get a quality post. Questions can be quality posts too as when you raise questions, you detect problems that might not be known by the community.
Answering a question correctly is all about knowledge and experience because their is no way someone can answer a question correctly because without good understanding. A constructive post doesn't come out from empty brain, you most have wisdom before something good will come out from the person, i have seen a newbie who answered a technical questions correctly the reason being that that have the knowledge of anything technical and with having the knowledge it will not understand what the discussion is all about, is not that I'm arguing but just making my views to be noted. Thanks sir for your suggestions


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Distinctin on July 29, 2023, 08:56:59 PM
It's been a great day, I've read enough threads. I saw quite a lot of senior/hero/legendary rank discussions, but if I'm honest, I found a lot of comments that have no value, they just write nonsense. Maybe I did too

I realize that the quality of a post is based on the knowledge of the account owner. But stupid people are still needed to continue the discussion, if everyone is smart then there will be no more discussion. So both are needed.

I know for sure there will be a lot of comments that blaspheme me. I may be a newbie but I know that a post has value and a good argument. Maybe I haven't read all the threads, so I have to ask about my statement, that many high ranking members have low quality posts? talk nonsense and have no clear arguments. Is my statement correct?
At some point, your observation is true. A lot are still incapable of making quality post and can’t give good discussion for everyone even if the position is merely on top. That’s because meriting system never existed before and by simply reaching certain number of post, your position will reach another level or rank. And so, the level of knowledge and experience of a poster is not highly required as long as you continue to be an active member and is consistent in your post activity.

However, with meriting system the only basis at the present, you can expect that those who have high positions are definitely those who made great and valuable posts that made them merited with their post activity.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Smartvirus on July 29, 2023, 10:23:40 PM
I realize that the quality of a post is based on the knowledge of the account owner. But stupid people are still needed to continue the discussion, if everyone is smart then there will be no more discussion. So both are needed.
It's not always ideal to do the name calling.
Having to call some persons STUPID even without making any specification would be disregarding the phases to learning itself. I must su,echo individual here contributes asked in there level of understanding and knowledge on a subject and that doesn't make them stupid. It simply means, they are open to being enlighten the more on the subject and it's your duty to teach to them what they need know. No idea is just about continuation of discussion, it shows a course that needs improving on and not the purpose which you've tagged it.

I suppose you by now based on the content in OP knows well enough that, ranking doesn't get a positive reply to the question tag in your subject.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: lalabotax on July 29, 2023, 10:33:45 PM
It's been a great day, I've read enough threads. I saw quite a lot of senior/hero/legendary rank discussions, but if I'm honest, I found a lot of comments that have no value, they just write nonsense. Maybe I did too
This will depend on each member. there are also many high members that also have good post quality that give us so much information and sharing.
But there are also many members here that have low quality posts, because sometimes, they are only filling the requirements for posts every week or monthly.

However, sometimes, some of them can be different in posting in every thread. Sometimes they can post good quality posts, but sometimes, some members are only posting in common or that usual.'

I know for sure there will be a lot of comments that blaspheme me.
It doesn't really need to be like this. Because I personally also realize that sometimes I just make posts just like that. Sometimes I make quite serious and quality posts in my opinion.
but indeed, it is undeniable if we find many members who just post it. that's why, personally, I also have to keep up-to-date and improve my skills and post quality here. We don't need to doubt too much, just look at ourselves, sometimes we just post like that.
But then again, not all high members are like this. Because there are also many high members who make very high quality and informative posts that are very useful for all of us.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Mr.suevie on July 29, 2023, 11:12:35 PM
It's been a great day, I've read enough threads. I saw quite a lot of senior/hero/legendary rank discussions, but if I'm honest, I found a lot of comments that have no value, they just write nonsense. Maybe I did too

I realize that the quality of a post is based on the knowledge of the account owner. But stupid people are still needed to continue the discussion, if everyone is smart then there will be no more discussion. So both are needed.

I know for sure there will be a lot of comments that blaspheme me. I may be a newbie but I know that a post has value and a good argument. Maybe I haven't read all the threads, so I have to ask about my statement, that many high ranking members have low quality posts? talk nonsense and have no clear arguments. Is my statement correct?
If we will follow the standards, high rank members should be more knowledgeable and resourceful since they were able to receive a lot of merits from members who actually benefited from their post. That’s how it should be. However, I cannot deny that we are still seeing high rank members who are making low value posts and are not even skilled in conveying their message to other people through their various post. But be reminded that everyone is free to improve his/her performance in the forum. We just have to encourage them and even motivate them to be at their best version. That’s the essence why at some point, constructive criticism is a must.
Sometimes I feel these high ranked members are just feeling too lazy because they have Been here for a while and they just say or should I type out anything they feel owning to fact they have been here for long time so no one pays attention to what they do since most of the snr gamblers here have so  already felt safe prior to the  past glory of theirs stay here


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: nakamura12 on July 29, 2023, 11:40:32 PM
You are not entirely wrong about that mate. There are some higher ranks that post low quality or no value posts or some might made some mistakes. Before, there's no merit system where it is required when you rank up right now and you can rank to legendary rank or whatever rank a forum member achieved before merit system is being implemented. Anyway, it is because of the rank that will determine your post if it is high good quality or low quality and it is all about how you make your post.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: Y3shot on July 29, 2023, 11:56:41 PM
Post quality have nothing to do with ranking.  A legendary who makes quality post and that always make research to give a quality can decide to stop doing what is his secret for quality post and start posting low quality because he stopped what he used to do that makes his post to be quality. A newbie can still give quality post on how much time spent on research to obtain knowledge.  Quality post is not by ranking,  it can come from any person,  low rank or high rank member.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: suzanne5223 on July 30, 2023, 12:35:56 AM
Indeed, that's true. There are various accounts with much higher ranks whose post(s) don't make any sense. I might be one of them but It's okay
I personally like what you said here because everyone is guilty of this at some point but from my understanding/research it's mainly caused by the real-life issue or emergency people are experiencing.
I could remember like 4days ago, I trying to make a post on this forum, and also really tired and feeling sleepy when I got home. I was composing the message and at some point, everything go dark. I press the reply button when I don't know what to write again cause sleep has taken over my brain, body, and soul. If anyone sees such a post they may have another impression.

you do not get Legendary Rank without earning the Merit it requires and the activity. So the one who has spent his time, providing something to the community will only be able to reach the higher ranks.
It is not always about providing something for the community because sometimes it has to do with being relevant at some certain sub-thread which makes the merit source notice you and like your participation and we have a situation where some do this at their local thread.




Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: mamesso on July 30, 2023, 04:21:09 AM

I realize that the quality of a post is based on the knowledge of the account owner. But stupid people are still needed to continue the discussion, if everyone is smart then there will be no more discussion. So both are needed.

Use the Report to moderator button if you find a lot of comments that have no value. In assessing a comment depends on the point of view of each individual, maybe you think it looks like nonsense, but not for other users. I can't force all users in the forum to respect my comments, of course they see a post subjectively depending on their respective ratings.
The level of knowledge of each user there is always a variation in the level of post quality, in discussions there are always suggestions and criticisms from established users to provide insight to users who have low post quality. This is a place to remind each other, the cohesiveness that exists in the forum has turned many newcomers into established users in the process of increasing account rank and improving the quality of posts.


Title: Re: Does ranking not guarantee post quality?
Post by: GeorgeJohn on July 30, 2023, 06:15:51 AM
Sometimes I feel these high ranked members are just feeling too lazy because they have Been here for a while and they just say or should I type out anything they feel owning to fact they have been here for long time so no one pays attention to what they do since most of the snr gamblers here have so  already felt safe prior to the  past glory of theirs stay here
When you say high ranked members are been lazy or feeling too relaxed to make post I personally will disagree with you, some of high ranked members who is not even in signatures are even making more quality post than some people, a quality posts is not about how ambiguous is your content or your composition, a quality posts from my perspective is a post that is very meaningful and is educating to others member's been a higher ranked or low rank, many older user doesn't been inquisitive to answer a question without understanding the content but newbies will make a very large post with a meaningless points that can not help in solving problems, so therefore we cannot conclude that those kinds of post are quality posts. Some people seems a large post especially newbies as a quality posts, from my theory if your comment lack understanding and direction is obvious that is not a quality.

I will encourage us to desist of making pointless comments that is meaningful with big comments, its better to make three to four lines comments with cogent point, what the forum needs mostly is to understand your point of view, not numerous comments without value.