Does ranking not guarantee post quality?

[PytagoraZ]

It's been a great day, I've read enough threads. I saw quite a lot of senior/hero/legendary rank discussions, but if I'm honest, I found a lot of comments that have no value, they just write nonsense. Maybe I did too

I realize that the quality of a post is based on the knowledge of the account owner. But stupid people are still needed to continue the discussion, if everyone is smart then there will be no more discussion. So both are needed.

I know for sure there will be a lot of comments that blaspheme me. I may be a newbie but I know that a post has value and a good argument. Maybe I haven't read all the threads, so I have to ask about my statement, that many high ranking members have low quality posts? talk nonsense and have no clear arguments. Is my statement correct?

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[tranthidung]

It's been a great day, I've read enough threads.

Reading and learning are never enough. Keep it up, please.

I saw quite a lot of senior/hero/legendary rank discussions

Discussions in this forum are for everyone, no restrictions on ranks. Exceptions are on a few boards like Serious Discussion, Ivory Tower, staff boards.

but if I'm honest, I found a lot of comments that have no value, they just write nonsense. Maybe I did too

Your post quality depends on what you write, not on your rank. A newbie with deep knowledge can write super quality posts, better than a Legendary member with a shit post. I have to mention that before the Merit system kick-off in January 2018, forum members could rank up easily (no merit requirement). Many old members with high ranks before appearance of merit system are shit posters.

Members with same earned merits can have difference in post quality. You can look at The future of Bitcointalk: Low Ranking Top Merit earners in the past 30 days and see differences in post quality of those low rank members.

[Nwada001]

I realize that the quality of a post is based on the knowledge of the account owner. But stupid people are still needed to continue the discussion, if everyone is smart then there will be no more discussion. So both are needed.

What you see as nonsense might make sense to others; you can't just conclude the complete meaning of someone's statement based on your own personal point of view. Here in this forum, everyone is entitled to their own ideas; you can't contribute more than you don't know.
 
I won't argue with you about a few people posting or making off-topic comments because just because I'm a higher rank member does not make me perfect if I go off topic or my idea towards a particular issue is not in line with what's being currently discussed. Anyone can call me to order it's not based on rank.
 
Another thing is that a legendary member, which you might also see dropping a few topics that do not actually match their rank or their comments are far off the mark, has been caused by or based on two reasons:

1: the member acquired that rank by opportunity and did not really merit it; what I mean is that they might fall among those that were airdropped merit when the merit system was introduced. Because earning enough merit and activities to reach a legendary rank is enough time for one to familiarize himself or herself with broad knowledge, It's not by force to always contribute to a topic, so if they don't have anything to say, they will avoid the thread.

2. The account might have changed hands; the real owner built it to that level; if someone who's supposed to still be learning around the forum and outside regarding things now happens to get their hands on such an account, irrelevant posts might likely occur.

But to be clear to me no one's comment is actually completely useless some people will still take a few point from it why you will be busy criticizing it. In your thread, for example, not everyone will have to support it; few will see it as completely useless.
 
 

[PytagoraZ]

Your post quality depends on what you write, not on your rank. A newbie with deep knowledge can write super quality posts, better than a Legendary member with a shit post. I have to mention that before the Merit system kick-off in January 2018, forum members could rank up easily (no merit requirement). Many old members with high ranks before appearance of merit system are shit posters.

Is that true? means the old system is very easy to reach the legendary level?

Members with same earned merits can have difference in post quality. You can look at The future of Bitcointalk: Low Ranking Top Merit earners in the past 30 days and see differences in post quality of those low rank members.

Wtf... I came in second. I'm not proud of that. I get support from merit sources. Maybe it's just luck

What you see as nonsense might make sense to others; you can't just conclude the complete meaning of someone's statement based on your own personal point of view. Here in this forum, everyone is entitled to their own ideas; you can't contribute more than you don't know.

Yes I agree with you. That's why I asked it here.

[YOSHIE]

that many high ranking members have low quality posts? talk nonsense and have no clear arguments. Is my statement correct?

What have you done with your posts so far, that's what's best for yourself, we here have different understandings and judgments about high and low ranked member posts, do you think it's lacking in quality, but according to other members it's meaningful, even though they say 1-3 words, but there is value for other members.

However, if you want to do the best and quality posts here, just do it, don't judge someone by what you don't like, be optimistic, we here provide a report button, you can use it, but remember it is really spam, not based on your dislike of the post.

[AbuBhakar]

I know for sure there will be a lot of comments that blaspheme me. I may be a newbie but I know that a post has value and a good argument. Maybe I haven't read all the threads, so I have to ask about my statement, that many high ranking members have low quality posts? talk nonsense and have no clear arguments. Is my statement correct?

There’s an airdrop merit or users that reach high rank before merit system was introduced so there’s really some high rank member that doesn’t post quality like those high rank members here that climb to the rank through earning merits.

With the new merit system, New generation high should guarantee post quality since merit is very hard to earned except for this users that participate only on the forum contest that usually gave a generous airdrop.

What’s the issue with this? This is a forum. Someone excel and some is just mediocre but we are all united because of our interest with Bitcoin not with our post quality.

[Faisal2202]

It doesn't matter which rank you are. You may be at any rank and still can publish useless posts and in my experience, i have read not so many useless posts/comments. But i do read some useless topics and they were useless to me because they have been discussed so many times on my watch. For example. One topic you will definitely read in the trading section and in Beginner and help section:
Top 5 or 10 mistakes that a trader must avoid as a newbie. And mistakes that you should avoid as a newbie on this forum to stay long respectively.

The point is, useless and unnecessary characteristic of any topic is a distinct properties. This means to say one might see one topic as useless while at the same time, another reader might find the same topic attractive and useful.

So it also depends on the smartness level of readers. Now, if you think you found some useless comments and they value nothing but maybe they might have some value to the OP. And at the end, the ranking doesn't mean you will have more meaningful and useful posts. Because I am at senior rank and still ask useless questions here which I can also search on Google and on any other search engine but i prefer to ask them here also because here i get so many suggestions with different answers and it only benefits me.  So my suggestion is do not afraid to ask questions by being afraid to be declared as useless. Because learning has no boundaries. But i have reported some topics too which were encouraging people to click on some links and spreading spam and irrelative topics on different threads.

[PytagoraZ]

However, if you want to do the best and quality posts here, just do it, don't judge someone by what you don't like, be optimistic, we here provide a report button, you can use it, but remember it is really spam, not based on your dislike of the post.

Yes I have no intention of reporting anyone here. I do not hate differences of opinion precisely that is where the discussion will work, because there are differences of opinion. But opinions that have good arguments, not just nonsense

[Hyphen(-)]

It's been a great day, I've read enough threads. I saw quite a lot of senior/hero/legendary rank discussions, but if I'm honest, I found a lot of comments that have no value, they just write nonsense. Maybe I did too

Most of them have an idea about the discussion, and even though the provided responses have been made, they keep posting their opinions, mostly in line with their posting requirements for their respective campaigns.

I realize that the quality of a post is based on the knowledge of the account owner.

We have seen newbies with extremely good skills who have given a lot to the forum by providing quality contents that are valuable to the forum, therefore the quality of a post is not dependant on a forum user's rank.

 

But stupid people are still needed to continue the discussion, if everyone is smart then there will be no more discussion. So both are needed.

Regardless of the type of comments they made even after the necessary information was obtained, this is a public forum with no restrictions on any user's suggestions and opinions; thus, I don't expect abusive words like stupid people as you mentioned here because I am sure we both have respect for each other.

[PytagoraZ]

Regardless of the type of comments they made even after the necessary information was obtained, this is a public forum with no restrictions on any user's suggestions and opinions; thus, I don't expect abusive words like stupid people as you mentioned here because I am sure we both have respect for each other.

I'm sorry, I don't have a good language skills. I don't know the equivalent word for the term "stupid". I don't mean to use harsh words here

[Nheer]

When it comes from a rookie, I find this post to be very rude to high rank members. Just as you stated in one of your posts, I believe you are merely looking for attention.

maybe many newbies want attention, I'm the same.

I think that everyone who rose to a high rank after the merit system was implemented had to work hard for it. They deserve our admiration no matter what. I have a lot of respect for the higher ranks because it is impossible to rank up here with low-quality posts. Each of us has our own ideas, and the capacity of our minds differs.

[Daniel91]

Realistically, the forum rank on this forum only indicates the moment when someone registered on the forum and nothing else.
Earlier, advancing on the forum was much simpler, solely based on activity, so advancing on the forum was very easy and went relatively quickly and without much effort.
Only with the introduction of merits did it become more difficult to advance on the forum because a certain number of merits is required for each forum rank, which is obtained based on personal contribution on the forum.
In fact, very often we have a case where a new member appears on the forum who knows much more about btc and crypto than the older members of the forum because of his personal experience in the crypto industry.
OP, I advise you not to pay attention to the forum ranks, but to focus on the content of the posts and find what interests you and what helps you.

[Zaguru12]

Is that true? means the old system is very easy to reach the legendary level?

 Not really although based on what I read the merit was airdropped to some people after the introduction of the merit system probably based on the activity then but I don’t think it was actually easy to rank up immediately after the introduction. Some of those it was airdropped to couldn’t cope and had to bow out of the forum as for those reputable members you could see them still contributing greatly into the forum. The reason why I feel the merit system is easy now is because there different threads by merit sources to review one’s post and this has made it possible for members to rank and I doubt it was in existence then.

 

Yes I have no intention of reporting anyone here. I do not hate differences of opinion precisely that is where the discussion will work, because there are differences of opinion. But opinions that have good arguments, not just nonsense

But from your post you seemed certain that other high ranking members post are of less quality. So the best thing if you actually care for the forum been free from less quality posts then you would certainly report those posts and the moderators will access them and probably delete the posts that truly of less quality.

Also I think the criteria to meet weekly post count actually make some members to post with less quality some times

[PytagoraZ]

When it comes from a rookie, I find this post to be very rude to high rank members. Just as you stated in one of your posts, I believe you are merely looking for attention.

maybe many newbies want attention, I'm the same.

maybe you mean this post:

Hahaha... Your writing is very to the point. But that's good, maybe many newbies want attention, I'm the same. Of course, everyone talks about the quality of posts, but there are still a lot of comments that are full of nonsense and repetitive.

But that's how discussions go, there should always be something to discuss, I'm actually worried that everyone will be smart. There probably won't be any more discussions

I think everyone needs attention, no one likes to be ignored, including me. Or maybe you haven't been attention?

But from your post you seemed certain that other high ranking members post are of less quality. So the best thing if you actually care for the forum been free from less quality posts then you would certainly report those posts and the moderators will access them and probably delete the posts that truly of less quality.

Also I think the criteria to meet weekly post count actually make some members to post with less quality some times

Not all, many are of good quality. At first I thought that a high ranking would guarantee a good quality of their posts.

I don't think I have the capacity to report them. I'm still in the learning stage.

[aysg76]

Is that true? means the old system is very easy to reach the legendary level?

It was easy comparatively to rank up before the merit system introduction because you only need activity to rank up which you get by making posts and being active.So you would receive activity points every fortnight without the evaluation of post so you just climb to legendary rank.But after the merit system implementation many members who were not willing to learn and share good posts leave the forum while there are still some without any earned merits but have Legendary rank because of airdropped merits 1000 only which shows they have no potential at all.

Wtf... I came in second. I'm not proud of that. I get support from merit sources. Maybe it's just luck

Most of your merits are from that one post in your local board where merit sources hage given merits so not about luck but you have come under their notice with your post so just work that way and gain knowledge with time.

[m2017]

It's been a great day, I've read enough threads. I saw quite a lot of senior/hero/legendary rank discussions, but if I'm honest, I found a lot of comments that have no value, they just write nonsense. Maybe I did too

I realize that the quality of a post is based on the knowledge of the account owner. But stupid people are still needed to continue the discussion, if everyone is smart then there will be no more discussion. So both are needed.

I know for sure there will be a lot of comments that blaspheme me. I may be a newbie but I know that a post has value and a good argument. Maybe I haven't read all the threads, so I have to ask about my statement, that many high ranking members have low quality posts? talk nonsense and have no clear arguments. Is my statement correct?

A high rank guarantees nothing. At all. Especially the quality of the posts. Forum members who received ranks in the old era rose in the ranking system only by activity and the number of posts. In the new era, this became more difficult due to the introduced merit system. As a result, many participants remained on the forum, for example, hero or legendary who never received a single merit. The quality of their posts is such that for thousands of posts, none of them attracted attention and approval in the form of +1 merit. Of course, even this is not an indicator, but the fact remains.

I like your phrase that stupid people are also needed. Otherwise, who will ask questions that smart people will answer.

I definitely won’t blaspheme you, because I know firsthand the problem that you voiced, and in the same way I think that some high-ranking users are talking nonsense. Moreover, I see, quite often, such accounts receive merits, sometimes quite a lot and very actively progressing in the ranking system. Seeing their posts, surprise and bewilderment don't leave me, because it seems to me extremely low quality. This is my subjective assessment, perhaps for someone this level of posting will seem acceptable, but not for me. I will say that there is nothing to be done about this and I just skip such posts so as not to waste my time.

In fact, we ourselves are not without sin, because at times, I fail to write as well as I would like. It remains unattainable for me that each of my messages turns out to be first-class and approved by others.

On the other side of the scale, you can see the opposite - this is when low-ranking users write such good and high-quality posts that not every high-ranking one is able to write. In terms of presentation, informativeness or content. This in its own way creates a balance in the system and you should not worry about high-ranking posters. Don't think about them and focus on yourself and your actions.

[PytagoraZ]

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I thought I shouldn't comment on your writing. But I like your writing style. I rarely praise other people's writings

[Lida93]

I know for sure there will be a lot of comments that blaspheme me. I may be a newbie but I know that a post has value and a good argument. Maybe I haven't read all the threads, so I have to ask about my statement, that many high ranking members have low quality posts? talk nonsense and have no clear arguments. Is my statement correct?

Many of the members that are ranked hero and legendary ranks are not as a result of how knowledgeable and polished they are about cryptocurrency but were rather alleviated at first when the merit system was introduced, the difficulties in ranking up that newbies are facing right now in terms of their posts earning merits most of these hero and legendary rank members never experienced it.

All am saying is, be you of a higher rank to a newbie it doesn't guarantee that you're more knowledgeable to the newbie both in general knowledge and crypto knowledge. It's just privilege and timing that made the difference.

[Sexylizzy2813]

It's been a great day, I've read enough threads. I saw quite a lot of senior/hero/legendary rank discussions, but if I'm honest, I found a lot of comments that have no value, they just write nonsense. Maybe I did too

I realize that the quality of a post is based on the knowledge of the account owner. But stupid people are still needed to continue the discussion, if everyone is smart then there will be no more discussion. So both are needed.

I know for sure there will be a lot of comments that blaspheme me. I may be a newbie but I know that a post has value and a good argument. Maybe I haven't read all the threads, so I have to ask about my statement, that many high ranking members have low quality posts? talk nonsense and have no clear arguments. Is my statement correct?

You can see your self as a newbie but you're not as it seems, but before you see other people's post as nonsense or whatever you call it I feel you should take a look at yours, ask yourself if this post of yours is really ok to cause a lot of argument?
Users in this forum try their best to drop a post that they feel would bring more ideas arguments and even something that we can learn from. Is not cool to write off someone because you see the post as nonsense, we're all here to learn and those ranks doesn't mean that we're all learners, everybody is entitled to their own opinion and is best you respect that, your yes can never be my yes and your no can never be my no. We agree to disagree.

[NeuroticFish]

Maybe I haven't read all the threads, so I have to ask about my statement, that many high ranking members have low quality posts? talk nonsense and have no clear arguments. Is my statement correct?

1. Not all high rank members needed merit to rank up. Some do have mostly low quality posts, but I don't think they're a majority (but yeah, I have a lot of spam areas on ignore).
2. Some areas and posts are more for fun (one example is W.O.), and that should be taken more lightly.
3. Some people prefer to have fun now and then, some others try too hard to post a lot (for their campaigns) and both cases can end up easily to also have some lower quality posts (some more of them, some less..)
4. Keep in mind that people have started without knowledge. I am sure that many of my posts from my first years on the forum can be seen today as weak.

But it doesn't matter that much. If you, as newbie, are looking for post quality already then you see this forum as a (posting) business. You may be too early. Allow yourself have weaker posts too, allow yourself learn and socialize too around here.