Does ranking not guarantee post quality?

[PytagoraZ]

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Yes... it seems I overlooked some considerations in my assessment. You give me another point of view, Thank you very much

[GiftedMAN]

I may be a newbie but I know that a post has value and a good argument.

Well being a newbie doesn't mean you don't know a quality post when you come across one since you go through threads created by quality posters on the forum and going through your profile I noticed that you got registered on the 7th of June but you already have 74 post and 40 merits in your name that alone shows how familiar you have become on the forum in less than 15 days of being here. Are you really a newbie or your account is a newbie account with a legendary member knowledge? If truly you are a newbie as your rank says then keep it up.

[Findingnemo]

There is no one who knows everything in this world but I agree with you on some non sense discussions which has no value and most of them don't know why they are getting into it because it has been already discussed many times in the same thread itself.

Receiving merits is a sign that someone is getting notified by other members of bitcointalk but it doesn't mean all others are just stupid and exists here for no reason. Everyone is trying to learn something and trying to contribute in a way they can and FYI not every great post received merit and all the posts received merits are great.

[BIT-BENDER]

I think to drive your point home you should describe what you call nonsense, just because you don't agree with any members post or you can't relate with a post that should not mean the post is nonsense, yes the quality of post has reduced I would accept that but I wouldn't put the blames directly on any rank, because in every rank there are the positive posters and also negative posters.

You aren't an exceptional poster yourself but definitely there is always room for developing for anyone, I think if you find a post not helpful you can actually move on from it, pay attention to those post you find very useful and also make contribution yourself that would be helpful.

[Ojima-ojo]

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Yes... it seems I overlooked some considerations in my assessment. You give me another point of view, Thank you very much

Good to see that you have taken note of Neuroticfish advise and that is not limited to you alone it also apply to many of us who are currently looking out for quality posters just to learn from them, but since this is just a social media discussion forum, everything is allowed as long as it doesn't go against forum rules.


Give yourself time to socialize and understand the forum better as suggested by NeuroticFish it helps a lot.

[BitDane]

Regardless of the type of comments they made even after the necessary information was obtained, this is a public forum with no restrictions on any user's suggestions and opinions; thus, I don't expect abusive words like stupid people as you mentioned here because I am sure we both have respect for each other.

I'm sorry, I don't have a good language skills. I don't know the equivalent word for the term "stupid". I don't mean to use harsh words here

Equivalent term for stupid is idiot or imbecile and still a harsh word, but you can write it in a more humane way such as less knowledgeable, naive, or newbie, or clueless can also work.

I realize that the quality of a post is based on the knowledge of the account owner. But stupid people are still needed to continue the discussion, if everyone is smart then there will be no more discussion. So both are needed.

As I stated on the reply to your post on the other thread, if everyone are smart, there will be an endless discussion since both party have lots of ideas to share which often lead to another idea and so on.

About higher rank writing non-sense post, it is normal in the forum, it is possibly because of language barrier since not all in this forum are fluent in English nor has high comprehension skill, that is aside from the given reasons by the earlier replies.

[Mate2237]

that many high ranking members have low quality posts? talk nonsense and have no clear arguments. Is my statement correct?

Guy this your thread is harsh. In life there must be a mistake for the person to make some corrections. And among the nonsense you are talking about there sense in some of the threads they have created. And when we talk about quality and shit post are from the way everyone understands the poor or the content. What you see as nonsense might be a very good point for another user.

[KingsDen]

Maybe I haven't read all the threads, so I have to ask about my statement, that many high ranking members have low quality posts? talk nonsense and have no clear arguments. Is my statement correct?

If you have read majority of the threads and discovered that many high ranking members have low post quality and perhaps talk nonsense, do you need anyone's affirmation or appraisal to believe yourself.
Or you deliberately want to stretch the discussion as you said in Op. "For a discussion to continue, there should be one wise person at one end and one foolish person at the other end".

Meanwhile, it has been proven many times that lower rank members somethings make more connected and meaningful contributions than some higher ranked members. Meanwhile, a newbie can be able to to own a snr member account with less than $500. So, a newbie can be behind a snr member account.

[paid2]

Is that true? means the old system is very easy to reach the legendary level?

Yeah, I'm not going to explain again for the 10th time in your topic that before the merit system existed, it was very easy to rank up (even though it's not difficult nowadays either, you just have to post with interest without thinking about the merits and it's usually ok, as long as you know what you are talking about or post interesting questions).

If you're interested to know, who "deserves" their rank from our actual criterias, you should install the BPIP extension, which distinguishes between earned merits and merits.

For example your profile appears like that :



While others appear like this:

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

It's been a great day, I've read enough threads. I saw quite a lot of senior/hero/legendary rank discussions, but if I'm honest, I found a lot of comments that have no value, they just write nonsense. Maybe I did too

I realize that the quality of a post is based on the knowledge of the account owner. But stupid people are still needed to continue the discussion, if everyone is smart then there will be no more discussion. So both are needed.

I know for sure there will be a lot of comments that blaspheme me. I may be a newbie but I know that a post has value and a good argument. Maybe I haven't read all the threads, so I have to ask about my statement, that many high ranking members have low quality posts? talk nonsense and have no clear arguments. Is my statement correct?

OP, If I am being honest with you, I don't even expect to see this kind of thread because, before you create it, you already know what the answer should be. But yes, freedom of speech should indeed be expressed.

First, you should know that this forum is a global community where you will meet a lot of ideas from different kinds of people, some of which could be absolutely blather, despite the ranking system.

If you were someone who passed through college, then you would understand that there were students in the same level (let's say level 4) with you, but they were as dumb as a student still in level 1 or 2, whereas, if you analyze some students in level  1, you will find some students that are more knowledgeable as though they are already in the same level as you are. So, that's the difference we human beings have. Different ways of understanding things, different ways of responding to topics, and different ways of reading. First of all, someone needs to understand a topic before they can make a very good contribution to it, but some people only take a snippet. Another reason for some bullshit posts is because some high-ranking members here are in a rush to complete their signature post count for the week.

Blame it on anything, but what we have here are humans, not robots. Human beings will only contribute to the level of knowledge they have; the rank they possess on their account will not make them more knowledgeable or wise.



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[Stalker22]

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if everyone is smart then there will be no more discussion.

You are joking, right? Haha! I am guessing you have never taken part in or witnessed a heated scientific debate.

so I have to ask about my statement, that many high ranking members have low quality posts? talk nonsense and have no clear arguments. Is my statement correct?

I think you are only partially right in your assessment. Having a high forum rank doesn't automatically guarantee quality posts from a specific member. In the past, many ranks were granted without a merit-based system, solely based on activity such as the number of posts made. Thus, achieving a high rank was primarily a matter of being active rather than consistently providing valuable content.
The situation has changed now. Nowadays, members are required to collect a certain number of merits in order to advance their rank. This implies that other members find at least some of their posts valuable and deserving of recognition. The merit system serves as an indicator of the quality and contribution that a member brings to the forum.
Granted, this does not guarantee that top-ranking members will always create high-quality content, but it is more probable that you will receive a helpful response from a high-ranking member compared to a novice or low-ranking member.

[qwertyup23]

It's been a great day, I've read enough threads. I saw quite a lot of senior/hero/legendary rank discussions, but if I'm honest, I found a lot of comments that have no value, they just write nonsense. Maybe I did too

I realize that the quality of a post is based on the knowledge of the account owner. But stupid people are still needed to continue the discussion, if everyone is smart then there will be no more discussion. So both are needed.

I know for sure there will be a lot of comments that blaspheme me. I may be a newbie but I know that a post has value and a good argument. Maybe I haven't read all the threads, so I have to ask about my statement, that many high ranking members have low quality posts? talk nonsense and have no clear arguments. Is my statement correct?

Your statement is indeed correct. A high ranking user does not equate to a quality post being made. In all honesty, majority of these high-raking users post for the sake of completion in their signature campaign quota for the week. Some do not even bother to improve or make meaningful discussions with others which only contribute to the overall spam in the forum.

What I find truly remarkable is the number of brand-new users who create quality threads in the forum. Ever since the merit system was implemented, an influx of both spams and quality posters were made.

[PytagoraZ]

If you're interested to know, who "deserves" their rank from our actual criterias, you should install the BPIP extension, which distinguishes between earned merits and merits.

Wow, there is a special extension for Bitcointalk. Thanks, I have it installed now

OP, If I am being honest with you, I don't even expect to see this kind of thread because, before you create it, you already know what the answer should be. But yes, freedom of speech should indeed be expressed.

I need someone else's opinion, that's why I'm asking. And I forgot a few things I have to consider

Another reason for some bullshit posts is because some high-ranking members here are in a rush to complete their signature post count for the week.

This is one point I forgot, maybe they were in a hurry to make a post or were in a bad mood. Maybe I would also do the same if in such conditions

Thx Dr. strange
I'm waiting for your latest film

You are joking, right? Haha! I am guessing you have never taken part in or witnessed a heated scientific debate.

 

[Peanutswar]

It's been a great day, I've read enough threads. I saw quite a lot of senior/hero/legendary rank discussions, but if I'm honest, I found a lot of comments that have no value, they just write nonsense. Maybe I did too

I realize that the quality of a post is based on the knowledge of the account owner. But stupid people are still needed to continue the discussion, if everyone is smart then there will be no more discussion. So both are needed.

I know for sure there will be a lot of comments that blaspheme me. I may be a newbie but I know that a post has value and a good argument. Maybe I haven't read all the threads, so I have to ask about my statement, that many high ranking members have low quality posts? talk nonsense and have no clear arguments. Is my statement correct?

Not all higher ranks have a higher quality of content and not all newbies have lower quality posts, in term of ranks before there was no merit system so after getting implemented it depends on their current activity with their ranks some already goes into full member up to legendary immediately if you can see those lower ranks climb into higher rank with merit system seems they deserve those because its hard to achieve a merit milestone for every rank check their whole post activity for sure you'll get those quality post but of course sometimes they are following some quota with their Signature campaign we cannot deny sometimes post of them not getting into the quality you are referring to.

[Learn Bitcoin]

but if I'm honest, I found a lot of comments that have no value, they just write nonsense. Maybe I did too.

People write for their signature payment only these days. Maybe you have seen some AI writing accusations as well. People want to spend as little time as possible to post and meet the minimum requirement to get paid. Many people ranked up with airdropped merit, and they are shit posters. They are primarily active on gambling and gambling discussion threads because they get paid for writing in those sections. Unfortunately, once members join the signature campaign, they are unlikely to get kicked unless they get some tags. I saw people are still participating in signature campaigns with less than ten merits earned in the last 120 days.

[Not your key not your BTC]

It's been a great day, I've read enough threads. I saw quite a lot of senior/hero/legendary rank discussions, but if I'm honest, I found a lot of comments that have no value, they just write nonsense. Maybe I did too

this will also happen to you after you got the signature campaign.

 don't lie, dude.

your post is just to get earned merit, rank up, got signature campaign and shit post!

[Pmalek]

Calling someone stupid isn't always the right terminology. Not knowing something isn't synonymous for being stupid. It works the other way around as well. Knowing something doesn't make you more intelligent than the average guy. You might just be a well-informed idiot (using similar terminology as you). Questions are normal in all segments of life. They often mean you are paying attention and require additional clarification. What works in one scenario might not work in a different one. Hence, questions to get a wider understanding of the issue.

Wtf... I came in second. I'm not proud of that. I get support from merit sources. Maybe it's just luck

What's wrong with that? You make it sound like both things are bad: being on top of the merit table for low-rank members and receiving merits from merit sources. Merit sources are instrumental to users ranking up, simply because they have many more merits to pass along than regular members. For a regular member to send 1 merit, they need to receive 2 from other people. Merit sources have bags with hundreds of merits they can distribute.

[Hamza2424]

It's been a great day, I've read enough threads. I saw quite a lot of senior/hero/legendary rank discussions, but if I'm honest, I found a lot of comments that have no value, they just write nonsense. Maybe I did too

Bro, I totally do agree with you that sometimes including myself write posts making no sense, even sometimes Newbies and Jr members write incredible content. This is totally based on the grip on the topic if I am a Hero member I have a grip on a specific topic then obviously my comments are gonna be more valuable but if some newbie or JR has a grip on any topic his thoughts and narrative is obviously gona be more prominent.

I realize that the quality of a post is based on the knowledge of the account owner. But stupid people are still needed to continue the discussion, if everyone is smart then there will be no more discussion. So both are needed.

Hmm, Point to be noted. Sometimes people just post to fill up the signature Qoutta and this is reality, even though I am not sure you are familiar with or not people even use AI to fill up the post count.

[mu_enrico]

Does ranking not guarantee post quality?

That's a difficult question since you need to define "post quality."
IMO, the quality of writing is subjective, it depends on who reads it and who grades it. It's even more challenging in the public forum where not all members have the same education level and major. But if the question is phrased differently such as "Do members with higher rank make more quality posts according to my taste?" The answer is probably a "no" for you since you make this thread. It's also a "no" for me since I have a different taste for "quality posts."

I saw quite a lot of senior/hero/legendary rank discussions, but if I'm honest, I found a lot of comments that have no value, they just write nonsense. Maybe I did too

It can be "no value" according to your taste, but valuable according to others. But it also can be because the members in question only post for a signature campaign, or got the rank before the merit system was implemented. It's difficult to talk in-depth because there's no real example.

Anyway, I'd say don't lose sleep over this as you control what you want to read and respond to. If you find it annoying, simply add them to your ignore list or just ignore them and don't reply.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

I need someone else's opinion, that's why I'm asking. And I forgot a few things I have to consider

Yeah, actually, while some topics are absolutely shit with no real intent of the OP to grasp any idea out of them, for some good reasons too, most threads are also genuinely created to get the opinion of other users, and certainly one user's opinion is not always the final, and I have no doubt you know why.

or were in a bad mood. Maybe I would also do the same if in such conditions

In as much as we are not always in the right frame of mind all of the time, yeah, but having to drop some shitpost here is no better option, and I believe you know why. It doesn't add to your reputation here. I know that  very few of my posts may also be blather, because most of the time I just glance through the forum without much zeal to write, but seeing some topics that I can't just ignore, I will still try my best to say my opinion, even if it's not really what it should be at that moment. Even most times, I look at a thread and drop the idea or opinion I have at that moment, but when I come back to the topic the next day, I just have a new opinion to add to what I have previously said on that same topic. In most cases like that, I will just say, "To add up to what I had previously said." As much as I try to do more than 10 commandments on some good days, I can't for sure say that all are of high quality; but only a few can be blather. Most times, I don't even do any posts at all because it's better not to than to blather all the way.

I'm waiting for your latest film

I don't know what you mean by that, but whatever it is, explain it better.   


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