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I tried observe fillippone in this thread  Re: [Merit] Share your best topics with Fillippone to be merit assessed  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5412657.msg60895527#msg60895527) and i understand that the total number of users both senior colleagues and newbies submitting application of replies and new created thread to be merited is much, despite that the thread was created by fillippone to help people from different countries to rank up to new ranks, i think it needs helping hands of other merit sources and other users who always earn a merit help and merit some of qualify application of users who applied there.

I will say that it's good to have more numbers of this kind of thread of merited posts or ranking up merit thread In the forum because it will help growing many others, like @ Ratimov thread of  Re: [Merit] Help newbies and those who have a little left to the next rank (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5275032.msg55173475#msg55173475) so if we have more ten person's that act like @ fillippone , @ Ratimov, @ The Sceptical Chymist and DdmrDdmr in distribution of merit's it will help more , this people I mentioned is people I notice for large merit distribution, maybe we still have others but I have not notice them. Summary: let us support fillippone to Merit qualified application in his threads. Thanks and remain courageous everyone.

I think this is the first of its kind and where some other merit source focussed on: [self-moderated] Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5093271.0). You did not include the link, which means you may not know the thread is existing on this forum.

The last time I checked that fillippone thread and I have applied there before just ones many months ago likely more than a year ago, he is actively meriting the qualified users there. He is not complaining that he needs more merit source to join him or is he?

If you are posting good on this forum, many of your posts will be given merits and your account will grow in rank.

Like you said, Ratimov has his own merit-given thread about merit too which is another one. Is that not enough? I have noticed Ratimov distributing merit to qualified users that are about to rank up.

Also The Sceptical Chymist is distributing huge amount of merit to people. Are those not enough?

Everyone has their own way of sharing their merits. All merit sources are doing it in the way that best defines them.

The fillippone thread is really lacking in numbers, but the user is trying his/her best to review all posts accordingly; it's a gradual process, and I believe everyone in that thread will be attended to. I have benefited from the thread once.

Such a thread is just a helping hand to the community; it's not actually compulsory, and users should not put all their hopes there as a means of ranking up. No one is in a hurry to share those merits; let them merit-source people to breathe.🚶🚶🚶

Yes fillippone is active in his thread and it has being meriting people seriously but the thread is having more pages because people is submitting application everyday, the least application that come to that thread a day should be ten or eight (10/8) applications daily either he needed more smerit from theymos to distribute more in that thread.

The Sceptical Chymist: is the list I made for one of the users that is distributing Larger merit to people, and I observe that The Sceptical Chymist distributes like thirty, twenty five to fifteen (30 -25 - 15) merit at once, and that is helping for merit circulation. For the thread I Skip, I don't know that such thread is existing, thanks for bringing it to my knowledge, i will add it

Anyone that needs more merit should use the LoyceV thread that I posted, there are merit sources there. Quality posts are often merited there. You do not necessarily need to be the one that has the posts, you can also report other user's posts for merit.

The Sceptical Chymist do give up to 50 merits to people that deserves it.

Let's force all the merit sources to open their own merit distribution thread, let's force all users to posts for only earn merits, let's make the Beginners & Help and Reputation sections filled of "[insert merit source name] merited thread" where it will be bounty v2.0 section since every users just report their good posts.

There's no point to hoard sMerit, but it doesn't mean all merit sources need to force themselves to always distribute all of their sMerit.

Each merit source has its target where it will spend its merits. Some merit sources have threads where they help others by reviewing posts. That doesn't mean other merit sources should do the same. Some merit sources wait for good posts where they can dump a good number of merits. Some others choose to spend single merits every time they join any conversation. Some others looks for a good post that's it. Instead of reporting good posts; you can post in sections where people visit and read your posts. Imagine you have wrote a good post in off-topic where merit sources don't visit. Your post won't get merited if you continue post there. Do not choose a single merit source for post reviews. There are other threads too. If you really want to get reviewed, choose someone else.

I agree with you, I don't think that every merit source should distribute their merits in such artificial way. If some members are doing it, it doesn't mean that we should force everyone to do it.
IMO, it's ok when few are doing it, but if everyone would start doing same, there would be more harm than good.

On the contrary, I wish @fillippone would be more strict in monitoring its topic and setting a maximum number of merit per account (for example, the highest merits you can get from this thread is 20 all new replies will be deleted)

These topics have become attractive for account farming who have a lot of alt accounts as they can quickly rank up by participating in:

 - spamming Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
 - weekly post in Share your best posts/thread OR HELP ME TO RANKUP TOPICS.
 - The challenges are like the last pizza challenge, and I suppose most of the participants aimed for merits, and then participated using some alt accounts.
 - Making some fake stories like I helped my local community with bitcoin or false claim with the help of beginners.


thanks @lovesmayfamilis to make me aware of such practices.

Bitcointalk is not an office.


Don't beg merit from merit sources

Today's newbies, in simple terms, are simply impudent. Let's remember how the idea of merit distribution came about. At a time when everything was just beginning, were there any requirements for mandatory viewing of posts for sources of merit? Everything happened by itself. If the post is interesting, then the users deserve it; it was really difficult to grow to the rank of a member.
Today's newbies, literally from the first posts, submit their conclusions to the @fillippone thread, demanding to check their "worthy" (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5412657.msg62416969#msg62416969) creations. Some have a pattern that is fairly easy to follow.
It all comes down to fake communication; people roam the forum in search of merit, turning the forum not into live communication but into some kind of student branch with their test papers.

If you look closely to each merit source we have on the forum, everyone of them have their own unique way of making their own contributions to see that merits flow accordingly throughout the forum on post deserving it, know that to merit someone is not by force but by choice, take a look at how LoyceV, Ratimov, JayJuanGee, Ddmrddmr, The Sceptical Chymist, NotATether among others administer their respective merits pattern to be different from each other, fillippone may decides to adjust his requirements for application maybe to ranks, amount of merits needed to rank up among other criterials in short or put it open for other merits sources to assist but i believe they all have enough to attend to on their own threads as well and only few may have some left by the end of the month.


Also come to think of it this way that some members members will take it as their right to receive merit even when they aren't deserving for it because they giver has to be the one to decided wether their post has enough informative ideas that could make it deserves being merited, maybe sooner or later Theymos may take the go for making an additional number of merits source to make it more easier.

I don't merit anyone who is begging for merit.

I think @fillippone has a commitment about it, as I quote here:


I get the impression that some people are getting impatient to get a lot of merit after posting their request for review in the @fillippone thread. This is probably because according to them @fillippone is not optimal because many applications have not been reviewed even after several pages, but basically these people do not realize that @fillippone has committed to reading all posts and assessing whether they deserve an merit or not. It's clear that @fillippone took a lot of time to do, but I'm starting to get the impression that some people are getting impatient.

In addition, some people are starting to focus on getting merit on the @fillippone thread, while they have difficulty getting merit elsewhere because the quality of the posts lacks weight. But despite all that, I also disagree that other merit source need to be encouraged to get lots of posts in the @fillippone thread, but everyone just needs to be patient to have their turn.

each Merit source has its way and right to distribute its sMerit to whom. not everything has to go through threads or PM to ask for post reviews. more maybe focus on local boards. and it helps local boards become more active with members who are actively discussing.

what we need to understand, each Merit source has its criteria. even those who are not a Merit source also have the freedom to distribute their smerit.

I guess it's a general thing that many users already know, and even I don't see the criteria as something debatable. This doesn't seem like the main issue that got the OP to come up with this thread, but something else encouraged him to create this thread. Maybe it's because the OP realized that there are 13 pages that contain multiple review requests that @filippone hasn't gotten around to reviewing yet.

But the OP seems to have forgotten that if someone else gets that post with at least 2 merits, then @filippone will skip it.

It's already a big opportunity from merit source that we have a place where we can submit underrated posts to be merit assessed. And I think there ont only just Merit source share merits but also some other users also send it if they find something useful and constructive.
So we should not indirectly force someone for Merit flow and we should keep up the good works in this forum, merits will start searching us.

Anyway, Some unlucky posts will not receive merits ever so move on.

In my opinion, @OP, there is no reason for this thread.
I believe you know that already all the merit sources in this forum have their own ways and means of merit distribution; they must not all use the same ideaology as the The Sceptical Chymist , Ratimov, fillippone, LoyceV, or every other person. Have you not known that some merit sources are also very active on their local boards? There is a high rank member who gives out merit almost every day in some threads; there is no rank at which he doesn't give merit; as long as you are active and your comments are in line with the discussion, you will definitely earn merit from him. Merit is received based on post quality; anyone who puts effort into their post will for sure earn merit and can even receive more than 100 merits within three months by themselves and also with a little help of the already existing merit source threads.

He has initiated that thread for merits after post evaluation on his personal basis and if some source find good post or they come across it they will merit them but if you say contribute to each post on all such threads then it's not possible at all and why is there such need? There are general threads where all sources give merits and you can report your post there.At currently @DdmrDdmr don't have any such threads you are talking about and he only hands out merit fast and regularly on the forum as well other merit sources are doing good job so I don't think that's a good idea you are presenting here.

The merit source @Ratimov whose thread you have mentioned has already said it's of no use so can't say much about it  and I think @fillippone is also doing great but it's hard to evaluate all the posts because many people will report dpam posts also so it usually takes time to hand out merits and he have changed his criteria of handing out merits in that thread like previously he send 3 in most of the TX but after that thread he changed it to 1,2 and more according to posts and doing great.But if you found any post useful report it in the first link mentioned under your post for merit sources to help.

Does this thread look like I'm appealing for merit, have to express my feelings and make what I observed to be open to everyone, at least you can see where senior colleagues express their feelings, this your comment is what make some people not to speak out what they observe, I don't think their is any way this thread look like a thread that is merit fetching

Everyone is aware that each merit sources have a particular section they merit people, but the problem is that all this thread listed are the major places people submit their profiles for merit, its good for a merit sources to support any thread that is created for rank up and unmerited posts.

From the beginning I think each of the merit sources have particular board that's allocated or assign to a merit sources to merit, but creating a thread like fillippone, Ratimov and loyceV will give move advantages by meriting someone who is quality to earn a merit from you, I think it will not course any harm or cheating because the thread will have a meet up criteria before you can receive a message from a merit sources

You have to understand that being a merit source is an unpaid position, and pretty much one with no rewards at all other than to individual members who receive merits from them and the forum as a whole in so far as account farming is essentially dead. 

Second, many sources didn't even apply for the position (like me).  Back in September 2019, Theymos sent out a PM to a number of people in which he announced that they were now merit sources.  Personally, I take the job seriously because I support the merit system 100% and want to see it functioning as intended.  That might not necessarily be true of other members who got that PM, or some of them could have dropped out for whatever reason.  The data on merit sources isn't exactly transparent.

So while it would be great if more sources busted their asses, it's a volunteer job and Theymos is very much a hands-off kind of boss in that he doesn't contact you to say you aren't giving out enough merits or the like (at least I haven't heard of him doing that; someone correct me if I'm wrong).  To offer a service like fillippone does, actmyname did, or I do can turn into a monumental pain in the ass.  Your inbox fills up faster than you can deal with them or you just get way more requests than you can handle if it's a thread.  I imagine a lot of sources just don't want to bother with that--and that's OK.  Everyone has their own particular style and methods in being a source.

However, I don't know how many merit sources there currently are, or how active they are, but I'll betcha it'd probably help things if Theymos added some new ones.  Speaking of that, I haven't seen any new applications to be a merit source in quite some time.

There are 110 merit sources.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=sources

There are many people (at least four or five people) that have applied for merit source but no one has been selected after the last selection.

First of all, I don't think any merit source will encourage a thread or post created by someone with the intention that they will get merits and rank up cause this is a forum and it will be alive as long as we keep it simple and practical not something like office you will get more oay when you work hard.

I don't blame you if you're intention is to encourage members who supposed to received more merits than they are but the solution is already there [self-moderated] Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5093271.0), so if you find anything that deserves merits then just post it there and if you still feel they aren't then why don't you apply to become a merit source.

Hmm, anyway fillippone is doing a charity job on the forum despite his position he's trying to help those who need merits to rank up so is not a must thing that merit source should also merit users who has dropped their posts to be merited because on the first quote fillippone made, he didn't ask any merit source to assist him but if any merit source wants to help I think he can however fillippone has been given some merits for good work on the forum.

As you know, everyone has a different understanding of what a quality post is, and the same thing applies to merit sources. They merit posts that they feel qualified and worth meriting, and because they are trusted due to the quality contributions they have made to the forum, any post they merit will be considered a quality post. Therefore, if they feel like not giving out merit the way some merit sources do, it is their own opinion.

If merit sources like Fillippone, The Sceptical Chymist, Ratimov, and DdmrDdmr decide to give out enough merits publicly to support users to rank up, that doesn’t mean all merit sources should do the same because they all have choices on how to share their allocated merits.

Oh no - they just do it on their own terms. Merit sources are the same as you - they have habits, have advantages, have disadvantages - so they should not be forced for anything including spending their all sMerit every month. Merit source is free work - they spend a lot of time getting lots of quality posts, but sometimes they also feel lazy for their own personal reasons.

Onyeeze, don't worry - if their post really deserved an merit then they wouldn't have to post an application every 14 days in the @filippone thread. Some users just apply and take advantage of @filippone's kindness very often, but without realizing it some of them are alt who also take advantage of the same thread.

OP, I was wondering with deep thoughts why this thread and from what I can see is that there is no factual basis on which this proposals of yours stands on. I can attest that all merits source are very much active and doing their best to reward those who merit it but OP, if you feel to, you can see the procedure in becoming one is clearly spelt out by the administrator of this platform. So you can do that yourself and stop the complaints. I believe when you get there you too would face same and know what it takes to go through the boards, reading and meriting post that deserves it. Anything outside this is a waste of time OP.

I feel the supply of merit is just at the best level we could ever dream of having -- or maybe a bit too unprecedented... Just maybe cus I can remember seeing severally clips and scraps from old BTT inventorys' - the supply was in amplitude following the induction...but as I said, maybe that was on a different level.
Now, seeing this, I quickly felt you're tryna stress the fact that the circulation isn't enough for the community which, is an issue that's been over-emphasized already. In general, merit sources who would wanna imbibe the system would... You don't have to inform them on what to do.

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

That thread is created by Fillippone voluntarily to help forum member to rank up so other merit source has no business to help meriting users on that post since that Filippone special thread. There’s a lot of merit source doing that same thing. I think @theymos is the one that needs to be addressed since he is the source of all merit which Fillippone needed on his service.

Read carefully his rules. All the request is subjected to his personal terms and rules so it's up to him if he needs help or not because he is the one providing this free service for you. If he is not complaining and asking for help then what's the sense for asking this publicly for his sake?

Believe in him!

You beg it or beg it on behalf of others.

It is exactly begging for merits from merit sources. theymos wrote it in the Merit & new rank requirements (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg28856522#msg28856522). theymos did not publish the list of merit sources because he does not want merit sources to be bothered with merit beggars.

It is easy. If you use the forum for the first time, you will take some time to learn the basics. If there is a newbie account and follow this pattern^[1], then definitely it is an alternative account.

Overall, what I was trying to point out is that there have been a lot of account farms and they may follow this pattern^[1], fast checking merit history will help you to avoid supporting them especially accounts that ask for merits.

I'm not good at finding alt accounts, but if we take these three topics as an example, we will definitely get a list of possible account farms.

 - active posting here ---> Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.0)
 - active posting here ---> Bitcoin Pizza bake-off contest! Enter by June 1 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5247383.0)
 - Congratulatory topics like ---> @LFC_Bitcoin 20000 posts (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5453787.0) or Interviews with Bitcointalk members  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5262967.0)

With a quick look at the merit history, if there is an account that meets these conditions, it is best to wait before sending merits.


If you ask me why I chose these topics, because there are a lot of merits being distributed regardless of the quality of the post.

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Actually we don't know yet if how many are still active here in out forum as a merit source like in my local our merit source decided to not active his account and we can't blame them because what ( The skeptical chymist ) said above that being a merit source is unpaid which is they contributed here in forum for free. We the normal user here in forum if we want to be have or we want to reach some achievements then we must work hard and not beg more for that.

Bookmark these ones  :)

• Merit sources (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=sources)
• Merit source observations (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5180975.100)
• [TOP-200] The most generous users giving merits (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4523027.0)

Stats (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=sources) are not change since July 2022 but we don't know any minor changes inside like cutting source merit from some merit sources and increasing source merit for other sources, or removing some sources and appointing some new sources. Totally, at tip of iceberg, we don't see any change.

These are good points, I am so particular about this topic and the reply given since they reveal those who could be worth celebrating as merit sources. What I could simply conclude is that among many merit sources created by Theymos, only a few of them deserves it, it's all obvious, and maybe he can make some adjustments soon. This is evident with the way they dispense their allocations and how dedicated to reading uniquely or randomly

To me, merit is so important to rank up in this forum, no good posters should find it hard to get, but it's often saddening when the posters that are so worth it is being denied due to low levels of review by those saddled with the responsibility. While some only have their preferences to merit and neglect other good posters deliberately.

This is literally the same as begging where you ask other merit sources to help distribute more merits. Each of us have different criteria on how they send their merits. What fillippone is doing is his own way to distribute merits. Other merit sources did send merits to those who deserve it. Other merit sources didn't create a thread like the one fillippone made to reward merits. In other words, it's up tk them on how they send the merits.

Thanks for your information but I understand that this time around merit source would have to be selective on how they give out merits when they don't have enough merits to rank up. There are also other merits sources that are also assisting especially for those people that check the thread for people with good content for meriting. I know that many of the merit sources have there own thread where people that do not have merits can apply especially people that need to rank up as soon as possible. They know how many merits that is being  allocated and so they know how to use the merit for those that write good contents.

Merits are something that needs to be given to a post that worth gaining it, also come to think of this those who are merits sources may have their own way of evaluating post quality. Letting other merits source to looks into Fillipone thread doesn't mean they will join him to start distributing merits as he does they may also have their own ways, terms and conditions to be given out merits and if they noticed people applying for merits aren't upto their standard they don't have any option of neglecting them.

Maybe if they create their threads the terms and condition would be applied over there, so seeking attention of people to looking into Fillipone thread is not a good idea besides he created that thread to willingly give out merits without any benefits attached to it. The only benefits I found out is that whenever the merits are exhausted probably Theymos would get it filled.

Then also, create out time to check some local board I think their are few of them also giving out merits to post that qualify of receiving merits, however anyone can freely give out merits if they have smerits with them It doesn't really mean only the merits sources are designated to be giving out merits.

Nevertheless, I really commends on those freely giving out merits despite I haven't be merited from them except JayJuanGee and some others but that doesn't mean I won't appreciate their good efforts especially The Sceptical Chymist, Fillipone, Ratimov, bitmover for their efforts to skip their personal work to be reviewing profile and post. I know how it tells on me with my home chores and still coming down here to read comment and post is not an easy task to me.

Yes you are right that mate every one of us here in forum have different ways to spend of our sMerits and also we have different standards of giving some merits.
That's the reason why we must be true in our self because there are many merit source out there who likes or appreciate in our post then they will share to us some of their sMerits. And also even normal users here in the forum they will share their sMerits to everyone is us.

I personally think fillippone is doing a great thing and helping new members, but many other merit sources are also doing it in their own way, without saying too much about it on the forum.
I think fillippone should answer your question and suggestion and not other forum members.
Why didn't you ask him first?
Other merit sources also help newbies and may not be able to directly help fillippone because they don't have enough merits to help everyone, have you thought about that?
If fillippone thinks he needs more merits, then it's best if he asks directly theymos and not other forum members.
I've had this thread on the Croatian local board for 5 years now https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4265795.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4265795.0), where local members can report their quality posts and get merits, and I'm sure that many other merit sources do the same thing.

I also want fillippone's thread to attract more merit sources because it is indeed helping members to get worthy merits. This is because he reviews the post before awarding merits. There are some boards in the forum that I observed don't get much attention from merit sources and some users might have almost all their posts on such sections. The thread will serve as an avenue to review those posts to check if they are merit worthy. But from what I have gathered merit sources are given the freedom to set standards for their merit distribution. And they can choose any board or style they deem fit.

Members of the forum should learn to be versatile in posting. We shouldn't concentrate on a particular section of the forum only. We should learn from other sections so that there will always be better opportunities for merit sources to read our posts. I will like to see more of such merit-giving threads or support from other merit sources but they should be given the freedom to do this voluntary task.

The OP never said fillippone isn't doing it well or not trying, but from what I got from the message was that, Mr @Fillippone kind of needs help to make it faster that the whole merit things is too much on his side, that some other merit source should at least support him to make the train of meriting members to be faster, that's what I think the OP was trying to say not otherwise.


How can you tell if the OP isn't posting something good to be called a quality post on this forum? I feel everyone is trying on their path to make a quality post and I feel the OP has some quality post if you check probably and he's not making the thread about himself if not I would say Yes I agree with you but this thread is for the whole users on this Forum and about a way that other merit source should assist Mr Fillippone. And growing of account is something you just have to put enough energy to it being consistent on the forum, not about rushing to where you have no idea of going. With time everyone will get to that greater hight concerning ranking up.


I see these set of people Fillippone, Sceptical Chymist, Ratimov and the others as people who are just absolutely brilliant at what they do on this Forum at large and the OP isn't saying they're not trying or those distribution of merits ain't enough but if all should come together on those different threads to assist one another it will be fast and making their job very easy. These guys work their ass out just to make this place a comfortable arena for users to roam around freely. Well, you have your say on all these but I feel the OP meant well. And weldone to those guys who are keeping the Forum to be in good shape day in day out.🙏

What i understand in all of these, is that each an every merit source have it own paths to play, inviting other merit source to one particular thread it will attract some attentions, other merit source have were they allocate their merit to, and come to think of it, you will know that merit source does not hoard their merit they also dispense their merit to circulate round.

When I read this merit system is when i understand that this forum is broad and before someone can understand everything have happening here it will take the person long time but the little i have read for this conversation and other conversation relating to merit and merit source, it's just a something i seen that no merit source hoard his merit they distribute their merit properly and mostly the place their instinct permit to them distribute theirs merit.

I'm new but I have read long time about forum and i will continue to read the protocols and conduct of forum and also learn from senior colleagues and also adhere to their advice.

Learning is a continuous process

Daddy  I'm not begging for merit I was traumatised concerning distribution of merit and how few person's have a thread because of giving out merit for people,  I know that each of merit sources have allocated place to be merited  but at least we have to show major concerns of newbie, if I should have the opportunity to be merit sources I will do exactly what the three person's I mentioned above did. When you check my profile you can see that this people have not given merit except one person, so I saw their good work from other people profile.

He was not talking about you, but about people who ask other users to merit their own posts.

Those kind of merit threads are now flooded with bounty spammers and signature spammers who want to rank up quickly, and the majority of them wind up getting banned for using AI or plagiarism, so it's not really worth it. Those who submitted posts for review and those who were merited without seeking it generally receive more merits than merit hunters over time. I'm curious why the OP is concerned about something he claimed he wasn't interested in.

No need putting the pressure to people or precisely to one person since they have develop themselves in reaching out to some post that worth meriting, in other way round whenever you apply and got merited then fine but if you applied and didn't get any do not feels as if your post aren't worth meriting but is just because their way of evaluation is of higher standard than the others.

If you said so that means you are curious in meri and you don't read to understand, I just expressed my feelings and my observation towards a thread created by one of the prominent dignity in the forum, I noticed that many people submit applications of their quality post, and I have to throw my observation to air incase someone can volunteer and support the thread with the intention of fillippone

That's true, since everyone has his own pattern he created to distribute merit, we don't have to expect all the merit on the same pattern, not all of them took time to create a merit thread for members to participate, some uses the procedure of random meriting on threads as they users post, and it is very important to know that it's never a must to merit a post if it's not quality enough to be merited.


I believe fillippone has received enough tags on the mentioned of his name on this thread which i believe he must be somehow busy working out other things and reading all our comments before he can arrive on what to say whenever he's less busy, my thought though.

If every member byou newbie or a senior member do the needful, share the needful and enlightening  resource then such individual doesn't need to fam for merit, merits would look for you by virtue of those that comes in contact with your posts as a reward for giving them an informative note.

Don't give fillippone any more work than he has to do on merits. He'd better take advantage of the summer to go to the beach with pretty girls, as befits the Italian stallion.

I think The Sceptical Chemist has explained it quite well.

Why does it seems like merit begging, what is merit begging because as it seems now it all depends on user preference, what one sees as smart move may be seems by another as dumb (with regards to the upper rank members).

 Ranking up becomes difficult as time goes because there are a lot of members joining this forum though some are spammers, shit posters and others who go against the rule but there are others who also sticks to the rules and try to contribute in what way they can but did find it hard in ranking up, I guess that why Theymos created the merit source system and they work the way its convenient or  they see its more appropriate for them but currently it seems like there are few merit source (maybe they are few indeed or they have become tired of meriting others who later become shit posters or break rules or more focus on their local board or some other reasons) since there are now more good posters as time goes by ( keeping the fact that there are also more rule breakers ).
 OP the fact is Fillippone doesn't want any assistance because if he does he would have stated it, just as how LoyceV did here because this is among the Thread that inspired him to allocate merit this way.

But I don't think there is really any need for more merit source at the moment because there are likely gonna be more shit post merited since more smerits would be available and the standard for a good post would decrease or have a stunted growth as time goes by (I guess that the reason Theymos has not add any more merit source currently).

When you follow someone and and ask his money, merit, it is begging. If you ask his merit, it is merit begging. If you ask his money, it is money begging.

Read the last word you quoted "excessively".

I don't think it's wrong for someone to ask merit sources to review his posts or report some of his best posts to merit sources and ask for merit if he deserve it.

But it's wrong if you force the merit source to merit your post even though they feel you not deserve about it.

However @OP create this thread is pointless since not every merit source want to create their own thread to distribute their sMerit.

Theymos was asked about these topics and no objection was raised so we cannot consider it merit begging but I personally consider it spam, the participants in these topics are content to create 10 high-quality topics, put them in a list, search for any source that gives them merits for those threads, repeat it again and again.

The result is 10 high quality posts, 100 low quality posts, many spam review posts trying to get those 10 high quality posts more merits.

You would agree with me that Ronaldo and Messi are great footballers but each of them has his own playing style, same is applicable to merit sources on the forum. They all have one goal to see the evenly distribution of merits to quality posters and they all have their own style. So I really don't see the need for creating this topic and not as if Fillippone is complaining or did he ask you to be his mouthpiece? Don't lost sight of the big picture, always have it at the back of your mind that merit is just side attraction, the primary reason why you're here is to learn about bitcoin and other crypto-related stuffs.

This is exactly right.

I like the idea of requesting a post review but that's as far as it should go. If a merit source like SC wants to start a thread from his own will for post reviews and accept applications when he is doing them - fine - I mean, even that is a bit too much but it's not the worst idea for people who are making good content and feel they are going unnoticed.

All the other garbage though, it just makes people want and try to game those threads or it effects their posts.

I think Merit is just something that shouldn't be discussed. Ideally, the system should just be used as intended and overall it should be thought as if it isn't there. Post good quality, get merits, end of story. Not good quality, low or no merits. It's pretty simple.

That is right, everyone, mostly newbies to full members now are into teaching of students on Bitcoin even those who have not even seen the four corners (walls) of the classroom are in teaching of students or kids. The imitation is on the peak. Many of them are not even teaching, but produce fake pictures and making the original teachers to look like fake.
As you said, in those days to rank was a thug of war, one must create quality thread to attract merits but today, things are very simple that they are not even creating good discussable threads.

Submitting posts to merit sources for review is not excessively.

Creating this topic is excessively.

I hope you understand when it was been said that merit is earned and not demanded, you earn it by the intensity in quality delivery you made through your post, merit is not what you receives for making a post,you work it out by giving the best someone can point out to see that it's meaningful, remember you're not the judge here, the third party seing your post will determine the extent at which he thinks it's deserving for merit.


And you're also here making an emphatic stress on the same issue again, do you care joining on such vacation or probably you make your own way out to help in the situation.

do you know that merits sources is hidden theymos did not make open when making some people a merit sources so that no one will disturb them through pm to give them merit, so nobody merits  sources is giving merit hidden, I know this my thread is a personal suggestion of supporting a particular thread which one of the merits sources created which may or they may not support the thread because they have a designation were they spend their own merits but people their merits is open is the people I mentioned and I have already notice their good wills including any other persons, I'm not pleading any one to merit in that thread or begging but i make my observation and opinion be known in public

I quite agree with you on that ( theymos did not make open when making some people a merit sources so that no one will disturb them through pm) speaking on that thread, I feel the load over there is very very much for one person to handle and we can't really point out that this is a merit source to help out but I feel they should make the merit distribution as random as possible no matter the thread. They're not doing bad but no matter the thread I'd say let all merit source help scout out better post to be merited, we all know some people don't have patience but is for the best of the OP to see a helping hand to reduce his work load. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but if this seems to be the way they want it to be then so be it.

Anybody is free to make an application to be a merit source, but one thing is involved here, one has to be more considerate in checking self to see if he's eligible enough for an application, check to see if you're worthy for the application and personally accessed yourself, Theymos can review those who applied at anytime when he feels there's a need to add more additional merit sources, here it's not in additional merit sources that matters if not the pattern through which tye merit sources distributes theirs, i want to believe that's how he has wanted his own, meanwhile the thread is still subjected to change in rules if he wish.

In all the merit source applications I have witnessed in this forum, I haven't seen where theymos approved any. It could be that he believed that the number of merit sources in BTT is sufficient for effective distribution of merits in the forum.

I also believe that without applications, theymos should be able to know active participants in the forum and give them the role of a merit source. I will not want to see new merit source application when old ones have not been attended to.