fillippone merited thread need more support of merit source.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

<snip>i think it needs helping hands of other merit sources and other users who always earn a merit help and merit some of qualify application of users who applied there.

You have to understand that being a merit source is an unpaid position, and pretty much one with no rewards at all other than to individual members who receive merits from them and the forum as a whole in so far as account farming is essentially dead. 

Second, many sources didn't even apply for the position (like me).  Back in September 2019, Theymos sent out a PM to a number of people in which he announced that they were now merit sources.  Personally, I take the job seriously because I support the merit system 100% and want to see it functioning as intended.  That might not necessarily be true of other members who got that PM, or some of them could have dropped out for whatever reason.  The data on merit sources isn't exactly transparent.

So while it would be great if more sources busted their asses, it's a volunteer job and Theymos is very much a hands-off kind of boss in that he doesn't contact you to say you aren't giving out enough merits or the like (at least I haven't heard of him doing that; someone correct me if I'm wrong).  To offer a service like fillippone does, actmyname did, or I do can turn into a monumental pain in the ass.  Your inbox fills up faster than you can deal with them or you just get way more requests than you can handle if it's a thread.  I imagine a lot of sources just don't want to bother with that--and that's OK.  Everyone has their own particular style and methods in being a source.

However, I don't know how many merit sources there currently are, or how active they are, but I'll betcha it'd probably help things if Theymos added some new ones.  Speaking of that, I haven't seen any new applications to be a merit source in quite some time.

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[_act_]

However, I don't know how many merit sources there currently are, or how active they are, but I'll betcha it'd probably help things if Theymos added some new ones.  Speaking of that, I haven't seen any new applications to be a merit source in quite some time.

There are 110 merit sources.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=sources

There are many people (at least four or five people) that have applied for merit source but no one has been selected after the last selection.

[Findingnemo]

 but the problem is that all this thread listed are the major places people submit their profiles for merit, its good for a merit sources to support any thread that is created for rank up and unmerited posts.

First of all, I don't think any merit source will encourage a thread or post created by someone with the intention that they will get merits and rank up cause this is a forum and it will be alive as long as we keep it simple and practical not something like office you will get more oay when you work hard.

I don't blame you if you're intention is to encourage members who supposed to received more merits than they are but the solution is already there [self-moderated] Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source, so if you find anything that deserves merits then just post it there and if you still feel they aren't then why don't you apply to become a merit source.

[rachael9385]

Hmm, anyway fillippone is doing a charity job on the forum despite his position he's trying to help those who need merits to rank up so is not a must thing that merit source should also merit users who has dropped their posts to be merited because on the first quote fillippone made, he didn't ask any merit source to assist him but if any merit source wants to help I think he can however fillippone has been given some merits for good work on the forum.

[Hyphen(-)]

Everyone is aware that each merit sources have a particular section they merit people, but the problem is that all this thread listed are the major places people submit their profiles for merit, its good for a merit sources to support any thread that is created for rank up and unmerited posts.

As you know, everyone has a different understanding of what a quality post is, and the same thing applies to merit sources. They merit posts that they feel qualified and worth meriting, and because they are trusted due to the quality contributions they have made to the forum, any post they merit will be considered a quality post. Therefore, if they feel like not giving out merit the way some merit sources do, it is their own opinion.

If merit sources like Fillippone, The Sceptical Chymist, Ratimov, and DdmrDdmr decide to give out enough merits publicly to support users to rank up, that doesn’t mean all merit sources should do the same because they all have choices on how to share their allocated merits.

[_BlackStar]

From the beginning I think each of the merit sources have particular board that's allocated or assign to a merit sources to merit,

Oh no - they just do it on their own terms. Merit sources are the same as you - they have habits, have advantages, have disadvantages - so they should not be forced for anything including spending their all sMerit every month. Merit source is free work - they spend a lot of time getting lots of quality posts, but sometimes they also feel lazy for their own personal reasons.

Onyeeze, don't worry - if their post really deserved an merit then they wouldn't have to post an application every 14 days in the @filippone thread. Some users just apply and take advantage of @filippone's kindness very often, but without realizing it some of them are alt who also take advantage of the same thread.

[CryptSafe]

OP, I was wondering with deep thoughts why this thread and from what I can see is that there is no factual basis on which this proposals of yours stands on. I can attest that all merits source are very much active and doing their best to reward those who merit it but OP, if you feel to, you can see the procedure in becoming one is clearly spelt out by the administrator of this platform. So you can do that yourself and stop the complaints. I believe when you get there you too would face same and know what it takes to go through the boards, reading and meriting post that deserves it. Anything outside this is a waste of time OP.

[Sandra_hakeem]

I feel the supply of merit is just at the best level we could ever dream of having -- or maybe a bit too unprecedented... Just maybe cus I can remember seeing severally clips and scraps from old BTT inventorys' - the supply was in amplitude following the induction...but as I said, maybe that was on a different level.
Now, seeing this, I quickly felt you're tryna stress the fact that the circulation isn't enough for the community which, is an issue that's been over-emphasized already. In general, merit sources who would wanna imbibe the system would... You don't have to inform them on what to do.

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

[Eternad]

I tried observe fillippone in this thread Re: [Merit] Share your best topics with Fillippone to be merit assessed and i understand that the total number of users both senior colleagues and newbies submitting application of replies and new created thread to be merited is much, despite that the thread was created by fillippone to help people from different countries to rank up to new ranks, i think it needs helping hands of other merit sources and other users who always earn a merit help and merit some of qualify application of users who applied there.

That thread is created by Fillippone voluntarily to help forum member to rank up so other merit source has no business to help meriting users on that post since that Filippone special thread. There’s a lot of merit source doing that same thing. I think @theymos is the one that needs to be addressed since he is the source of all merit which Fillippone needed on his service.

Read carefully his rules. All the request is subjected to his personal terms and rules so it's up to him if he needs help or not because he is the one providing this free service for you. If he is not complaining and asking for help then what's the sense for asking this publicly for his sake?

Believe in him!

[SeriouslyGiveaway]

Don't beg merit from merit sources

Does this thread look like I'm appealing for merit, have to express my feelings and make what I observed to be open to everyone, at least you can see where senior colleagues express their feelings, this your comment is what make some people not to speak out what they observe, I don't think their is any way this thread look like a thread that is merit fetching

You beg it or beg it on behalf of others.

It is exactly begging for merits from merit sources. theymos wrote it in the Merit & new rank requirements. theymos did not publish the list of merit sources because he does not want merit sources to be bothered with merit beggars.

Certain users are designated as "merit sources". They can create new merit out of nothing, up to a limited number per month (which differs per source). I will not be posting a definitive list of merit sources (so that people don't bug them too much), though you'll soon figure out who they are if you pay attention.

Do not beg for merit excessively.

[hugeblack]

I would like to hear your version of how to be more strict with posts in order to avoid cheating? Sit and check tons of information and data that may or may not reveal a cheater? Do you know how long this analysis takes? Who even wants to do this? I personally wouldn't waste my time on this, even if I was paid to hand out merit as a source of merit.

It is easy. If you use the forum for the first time, you will take some time to learn the basics. If there is a newbie account and follow this pattern^[1], then definitely it is an alternative account.

Overall, what I was trying to point out is that there have been a lot of account farms and they may follow this pattern^[1], fast checking merit history will help you to avoid supporting them especially accounts that ask for merits.

I'm not good at finding alt accounts, but if we take these three topics as an example, we will definitely get a list of possible account farms.

 - active posting here ---> Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
 - active posting here ---> Bitcoin Pizza bake-off contest! Enter by June 1
 - Congratulatory topics like ---> @LFC_Bitcoin 20000 posts or Interviews with Bitcointalk members

With a quick look at the merit history, if there is an account that meets these conditions, it is best to wait before sending merits.


If you ask me why I chose these topics, because there are a lot of merits being distributed regardless of the quality of the post.

[1]

These topics have become attractive for account farming who have a lot of alt accounts as they can quickly rank up by participating in:

 - spamming Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
 - weekly post in Share your best posts/thread OR HELP ME TO RANKUP TOPICS.
 - The challenges are like the last pizza challenge, and I suppose most of the participants aimed for merits, and then participated using some alt accounts.
 - Making some fake stories like I helped my local community with bitcoin or false claim with the help of beginners.

[Shamm]

<snip>i think it needs helping hands of other merit sources and other users who always earn a merit help and merit some of qualify application of users who applied there.

Actually we don't know yet if how many are still active here in out forum as a merit source like in my local our merit source decided to not active his account and we can't blame them because what ( The skeptical chymist ) said above that being a merit source is unpaid which is they contributed here in forum for free. We the normal user here in forum if we want to be have or we want to reach some achievements then we must work hard and not beg more for that.

[tranthidung]

However, I don't know how many merit sources there currently are, or how active they are

Bookmark these ones  

• Merit sources
• Merit source observations
• [TOP-200] The most generous users giving merits

Stats are not change since July 2022 but we don't know any minor changes inside like cutting source merit from some merit sources and increasing source merit for other sources, or removing some sources and appointing some new sources. Totally, at tip of iceberg, we don't see any change.

1 year and I come back.

• Honestly, I did not check merit sources page in many months
• So I don't know when the latest change was made
• But the update is, currently "there are 110 merit sources with a total merit generation of up to 33989 sMerit per 30 days"
• It is minor change compares to 1 year ago, in July 2021. I guess 1 merit source was removed.

[EarnOnVictor]

I tried observe fillippone in this thread Re: [Merit] Share your best topics with Fillippone to be merit assessed and i understand that the total number of users both senior colleagues and newbies submitting application of replies and new created thread to be merited is much, despite that the thread was created by fillippone to help people from different countries to rank up to new ranks, i think it needs helping hands of other merit sources and other users who always earn a merit help and merit some of qualify application of users who applied there.

If you look closely to each merit source we have on the forum, everyone of them have their own unique way of making their own contributions to see that merits flow accordingly throughout the forum on post deserving it, know that to merit someone is not by force but by choice, take a look at how LoyceV, Ratimov, JayJuanGee, Ddmrddmr, The Sceptical Chymist, NotATether among others administer their respective merits pattern to be different from each other, fillippone may decides to adjust his requirements for application maybe to ranks, amount of merits needed to rank up among other criterials in short or put it open for other merits sources to assist but i believe they all have enough to attend to on their own threads as well and only few may have some left by the end of the month.

I will say that it's good to have more numbers of this kind of thread of merited posts or ranking up merit thread In the forum because it will help growing many others,

Also come to think of it this way that some members members will take it as their right to receive merit even when they aren't deserving for it because they giver has to be the one to decided wether their post has enough informative ideas that could make it deserves being merited, maybe sooner or later Theymos may take the go for making an additional number of merits source to make it more easier.

These are good points, I am so particular about this topic and the reply given since they reveal those who could be worth celebrating as merit sources. What I could simply conclude is that among many merit sources created by Theymos, only a few of them deserves it, it's all obvious, and maybe he can make some adjustments soon. This is evident with the way they dispense their allocations and how dedicated to reading uniquely or randomly

To me, merit is so important to rank up in this forum, no good posters should find it hard to get, but it's often saddening when the posters that are so worth it is being denied due to low levels of review by those saddled with the responsibility. While some only have their preferences to merit and neglect other good posters deliberately.

[nakamura12]

This is literally the same as begging where you ask other merit sources to help distribute more merits. Each of us have different criteria on how they send their merits. What fillippone is doing is his own way to distribute merits. Other merit sources did send merits to those who deserve it. Other merit sources didn't create a thread like the one fillippone made to reward merits. In other words, it's up tk them on how they send the merits.

[Bushdark]

I tried observe fillippone in this thread Re: [Merit] Share your best topics with Fillippone to be merit assessed and i understand that the total number of users both senior colleagues and newbies submitting application of replies and new created thread to be merited is much, despite that the thread was created by fillippone to help people from different countries to rank up to new ranks, i think it needs helping hands of other merit sources and other users who always earn a merit help and merit some of qualify application of users who applied there.

I will say that it's good to have more numbers of this kind of thread of merited posts or ranking up merit thread In the forum because it will help growing many others, like @ Ratimov thread of Re: [Merit] Help newbies and those who have a little left to the next rank so if we have more ten person's that act like @ fillippone , @ Ratimov, @ The Sceptical Chymist and DdmrDdmr in distribution of merit's it will help more , this people I mentioned is people I notice for large merit distribution, maybe we still have others but I have not notice them. Summary: let us support fillippone to Merit qualified application in his threads. Thanks and remain courageous everyone.

Thanks for your information but I understand that this time around merit source would have to be selective on how they give out merits when they don't have enough merits to rank up. There are also other merits sources that are also assisting especially for those people that check the thread for people with good content for meriting. I know that many of the merit sources have there own thread where people that do not have merits can apply especially people that need to rank up as soon as possible. They know how many merits that is being  allocated and so they know how to use the merit for those that write good contents.

[SmartGold01]

Merits are something that needs to be given to a post that worth gaining it, also come to think of this those who are merits sources may have their own way of evaluating post quality. Letting other merits source to looks into Fillipone thread doesn't mean they will join him to start distributing merits as he does they may also have their own ways, terms and conditions to be given out merits and if they noticed people applying for merits aren't upto their standard they don't have any option of neglecting them.

Maybe if they create their threads the terms and condition would be applied over there, so seeking attention of people to looking into Fillipone thread is not a good idea besides he created that thread to willingly give out merits without any benefits attached to it. The only benefits I found out is that whenever the merits are exhausted probably Theymos would get it filled.

Then also, create out time to check some local board I think their are few of them also giving out merits to post that qualify of receiving merits, however anyone can freely give out merits if they have smerits with them It doesn't really mean only the merits sources are designated to be giving out merits.

Nevertheless, I really commends on those freely giving out merits despite I haven't be merited from them except JayJuanGee and some others but that doesn't mean I won't appreciate their good efforts especially The Sceptical Chymist, Fillipone, Ratimov, bitmover for their efforts to skip their personal work to be reviewing profile and post. I know how it tells on me with my home chores and still coming down here to read comment and post is not an easy task to me.

[Shamm]

Merits are something that needs to be given to a post that worth gaining it, also come to think of this those who are merits sources may have their own way of evaluating post quality. Letting other merits source to looks into Fillipone thread doesn't mean they will join him to start distributing merits as he does they may also have their own ways, terms and conditions to be given out merits and if they noticed people applying for merits aren't upto their standard they don't have any option of neglecting them.

Maybe if they create their threads the terms and condition would be applied over there, so seeking attention of people to looking into Fillipone thread is not a good idea besides he created that thread to willingly give out merits without any benefits attached to it. The only benefits I found out is that whenever the merits are exhausted probably Theymos would get it filled.

Then also, create out time to check some local board I think their are few of them also giving out merits to post that qualify of receiving merits, however anyone can freely give out merits if they have smerits with them It doesn't really mean only the merits sources are designated to be giving out merits.

Nevertheless, I really commends on those freely giving out merits despite I haven't be merited from them except JayJuanGee and some others but that doesn't mean I won't appreciate their good efforts especially The Sceptical Chymist, Fillipone, Ratimov, bitmover for their efforts to skip their personal work to be reviewing profile and post. I know how it tells on me with my home chores and still coming down here to read comment and post is not an easy task to me.

Yes you are right that mate every one of us here in forum have different ways to spend of our sMerits and also we have different standards of giving some merits.
That's the reason why we must be true in our self because there are many merit source out there who likes or appreciate in our post then they will share to us some of their sMerits. And also even normal users here in the forum they will share their sMerits to everyone is us.

[Daniel91]

I personally think fillippone is doing a great thing and helping new members, but many other merit sources are also doing it in their own way, without saying too much about it on the forum.
I think fillippone should answer your question and suggestion and not other forum members.
Why didn't you ask him first?
Other merit sources also help newbies and may not be able to directly help fillippone because they don't have enough merits to help everyone, have you thought about that?
If fillippone thinks he needs more merits, then it's best if he asks directly theymos and not other forum members.
I've had this thread on the Croatian local board for 5 years now https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4265795.0, where local members can report their quality posts and get merits, and I'm sure that many other merit sources do the same thing.

[Fiatless]

Everyone has their way of sharing their merits. All merit sources are doing it in the way that best defines them.

The fillippone thread is really lacking in numbers, but the user is trying his/her best to review all posts accordingly; it's a gradual process, and I believe everyone in that thread will be attended to. I have benefited from the thread once.

Such a thread is just a helping hand to the community; it's not actually compulsory, and users should not put all their hopes there as a means of ranking up. No one is in a hurry to share those merits; let them merit-source people to breathe.🚶🚶🚶

I also want fillippone's thread to attract more merit sources because it is indeed helping members to get worthy merits. This is because he reviews the post before awarding merits. There are some boards in the forum that I observed don't get much attention from merit sources and some users might have almost all their posts on such sections. The thread will serve as an avenue to review those posts to check if they are merit worthy. But from what I have gathered merit sources are given the freedom to set standards for their merit distribution. And they can choose any board or style they deem fit.

Members of the forum should learn to be versatile in posting. We shouldn't concentrate on a particular section of the forum only. We should learn from other sections so that there will always be better opportunities for merit sources to read our posts. I will like to see more of such merit-giving threads or support from other merit sources but they should be given the freedom to do this voluntary task.