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Title: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on July 20, 2023, 05:08:11 AM
On July 17, 2023, Russia withdrew from the “grain agreement” and officially notified Turkey and Ukraine, as well as the UN secretariat, of its objection to the extension of the “grain deal” for the export of grain and other agricultural products from Ukrainian ports to the world market.

In connection with the termination of the Black Sea Initiative and the curtailment of the maritime humanitarian corridor, from 00:00 Moscow time on July 20, 2023, all ships en route to Ukrainian ports in the Black Sea will be considered as potential carriers of military cargo. Accordingly, the flag countries of such vessels will be considered involved in the Ukrainian conflict on the side of the Kyiv regime, the Russian Defense Ministry said.

Thus, Russia stated that it intends to sink any civilian ships that will be sent to the Black Sea ports of Ukraine. This will greatly complicate the delivery of agricultural products to many poor regions of the world. Due to Russia's sabotage of the "grain corridor" in recent months, the world has not received an additional 25 million tons of agricultural products from Ukraine. In total, 1,002 vessels left Ukrainian ports during the year of this agreement. According to the Ministry of Infrastructure of Ukraine, since the start of the “grain agreement”, more than 33 million tons of products of Ukrainian farmers have been exported to 45 countries of the world.

It is worth noting that after withdrawing from the grain deal, Russia has been attacking Ukrainian ports with missiles and drones for the third night in a row, trying to hit terminals with Ukrainian grain. So, on July 19, 60,000 tons of grain were destroyed in the terminal of the Ukrainian port of Chornomorsk, which was planned to be delivered to the world market two months ago.

With its piracy, Russia is blackmailing the whole world, trying to partially lift sanctions for its military invasion of Ukraine and jeopardizing food security in the world, thereby increasing the threat of hunger in many poor countries of the world.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://1prime.ru/state_regulation/20230719/841129477.html&ved=2ahUKEwjp-8fln5uAAxUCGhAIHUh2CGgQFnoECB4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw2Y-4 amIIxS74jQpfr8rfTw

https://news.zerkalo.io/world/44156.html

https://m.gordonua.com/news/war/rossiya-zayavila-chto-budet-schitat-vse-suda-idushchie-v-ukrainskie-porty-perevozchikami-gruzov-voennogo-naznacheniya-1673774.html


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: DrBeer on July 20, 2023, 07:30:41 AM
What did you expect from a terrorist country and a loser country?  All their fairy tales about greatness, world influence (in a good sense) and so on are fake. Therefore, the only and favorite method of the Kremlin fuckers remains - TERROR, and an attempt to just "shit on everyone".  Terror both military and economic.

At that, the official version is the failure to honor some promises and agreements.... It is ridiculous to hear an international criminal country squealing about agreements and treaties that it itself violates at every step, in total. But let's leave that for psychiatrists to investigate :)

The real reason is the critical importance of the return of the SWIFT bank RosSelkhozBank. Why ? This bank is owned by the son of Patrushev, the head of the FSB. The purpose of this bank is to serve the money of the Russian top brass - laundering, withdrawal and other illegal activities with the criminal money of Putin and his inner circle. And no matter how the pathetic underfuhrer squeals that the dollar is worthless, his and his friends' savings are in dollars and stored in banks of the "decaying west" :)) Everything is very simple - Putin's pocket does not get and loses money. And here will include all methods - from sending hand dogs (look who squeals about returning SWIFT to the specified bank), to direct economic and military terror !
There is only one way out - the destruction of the Rashist regime, as Nazism was destroyed in 1945 .... Otherwise, all this will continue and expand to the whole world


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Die_empty on July 20, 2023, 08:19:09 AM
Anything could be used as a weapon of war because all warring nations want to win by all means. Russia wants to pressurize the West to do its bidding because it seems that sanctions have started hitting the Russian economy hard. The economy that was portrayed as sanctioned poof is gradually losing its strength. The war is costing so much and it was not expected to last for this long. This halt in this grain deal will affect the world, especially poor nations.

But Russia also raised some valid points. The Kremlin claimed that the West is not keeping its part of the agreement. Russian agricultural products have been restricted from the international market, which is against the agreement. Another point is that one of the main reasons for this agreement is the negative effect the grain blockade had on poor nations. Russia agreed to lift the blockade because many poor nations might experience severe food shortages. But from different reports, it is only 4.5% of grains from Ukraine went to poorest nations. Most of them were diverted to influential nations.

Russia said it is willing to come back to the negotiation table. And as citizens of one of these developing nation I expect that this issue will be settled because the last time the gains supplies from Ukraine was halted, most of us couldn't afford bread. But the perfect solution to all these problems is a peaceful resolution of the war in Ukraine.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Smartprofit on July 20, 2023, 10:37:23 AM
Anything could be used as a weapon of war because all warring nations want to win by all means. Russia wants to pressurize the West to do its bidding because it seems that sanctions have started hitting the Russian economy hard. The economy that was portrayed as sanctioned poof is gradually losing its strength. The war is costing so much and it was not expected to last for this long. This halt in this grain deal will affect the world, especially poor nations.

But Russia also raised some valid points. The Kremlin claimed that the West is not keeping its part of the agreement. Russian agricultural products have been restricted from the international market, which is against the agreement. Another point is that one of the main reasons for this agreement is the negative effect the grain blockade had on poor nations. Russia agreed to lift the blockade because many poor nations might experience severe food shortages. But from different reports, it is only 4.5% of grains from Ukraine went to poorest nations. Most of them were diverted to influential nations.

Russia said it is willing to come back to the negotiation table. And as citizens of one of these developing nation I expect that this issue will be settled because the last time the gains supplies from Ukraine was halted, most of us couldn't afford bread. But the perfect solution to all these problems is a peaceful resolution of the war in Ukraine.

Yes, I also heard arguments that the terms of the grain deal were violated, since grain was actually supplied not to the poorest, but to developed (quite successful) countries.  In my opinion, this is a rather weak argument.  Additional volumes of grain entering the market, of course, affect the world price of grain.  

As a result, poorer countries can buy it at a lower price.  

In general, I believe that we should strive to ensure that there is an excess of food in the world.  No one in the world should starve, let alone starve to death.  

Human interests must prevail over national interests.  Nations are an abstraction.  Nation states are a relic of the past.  All people can have sex with people of other nationalities and have children from them Because all people belong to the same human species.  This is our reality, not the illusions that politicians juggle.  

It is also necessary that there be no hatred towards other people in the hearts of people.  Only love can save the world.

https://youtu.be/wKX6JkG2W68


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on July 20, 2023, 10:58:33 AM

But Russia also raised some valid points. The Kremlin claimed that the West is not keeping its part of the agreement. Russian agricultural products have been restricted from the international market, which is against the agreement. Another point is that one of the main reasons for this agreement is the negative effect the grain blockade had on poor nations. Russia agreed to lift the blockade because many poor nations might experience severe food shortages. But from different reports, it is only 4.5% of grains from Ukraine went to poorest nations. Most of them were diverted to influential nations.

It seems that you are using the data voiced by Putin, who, as you know, cannot be trusted. Statements by Russian President Putin that allegedly 45% of the grain in the framework of the "grain deal" were delivered to European countries and only 3% to Africa - do not correspond to reality.

This was stated by the speaker of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Oleg Nikolenko.
"Russia does not stop trying to undermine the Black Sea Grain Initiative. The indicated statistics are not true. From August 1, 2022 (to March 20, 2023), Ukraine exported 25.1 million tons of agricultural products through the grain corridor to 45 countries of the world:
Africa - 2.9 million tons (11.6%)
Asia - 12.1 million tons (48.2%)
Europe - 10.1 million tons (40.2%)
Russia is also well aware that part of the Ukrainian grain purchased by the “well-fed countries” of Europe is sent as humanitarian re-export to Africa and Asia. Therefore, the real statistics of exports to the African continent is even higher than 11.6%. Not to mention the fact that almost 50% of the production goes to support Asian countries," the Foreign Ministry spokesman said.

Source:
https://www.epravda.com.ua/rus/news/2023/03/20/698251/


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: be.open on July 20, 2023, 11:32:32 AM

But Russia also raised some valid points. The Kremlin claimed that the West is not keeping its part of the agreement. Russian agricultural products have been restricted from the international market, which is against the agreement. Another point is that one of the main reasons for this agreement is the negative effect the grain blockade had on poor nations. Russia agreed to lift the blockade because many poor nations might experience severe food shortages. But from different reports, it is only 4.5% of grains from Ukraine went to poorest nations. Most of them were diverted to influential nations.

It seems that you are using the data voiced by Putin, who, as you know, cannot be trusted. Statements by Russian President Putin that allegedly 45% of the grain in the framework of the "grain deal" were delivered to European countries and only 3% to Africa - do not correspond to reality.

This was stated by the speaker of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Oleg Nikolenko.
"Russia does not stop trying to undermine the Black Sea Grain Initiative. The indicated statistics are not true. From August 1, 2022 (to March 20, 2023), Ukraine exported 25.1 million tons of agricultural products through the grain corridor to 45 countries of the world:
Africa - 2.9 million tons (11.6%)
Asia - 12.1 million tons (48.2%)
Europe - 10.1 million tons (40.2%)
Russia is also well aware that part of the Ukrainian grain purchased by the “well-fed countries” of Europe is sent as humanitarian re-export to Africa and Asia. Therefore, the real statistics of exports to the African continent is even higher than 11.6%. Not to mention the fact that almost 50% of the production goes to support Asian countries," the Foreign Ministry spokesman said.

Source:
https://www.epravda.com.ua/rus/news/2023/03/20/698251/
Putin in his statement relied on UN data. If you scroll down the link (https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/07/1138752), there is a UN infographic showing that low-income countries received only 2.5% of the total exported grain from Ukraine.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: NotATether on July 20, 2023, 01:21:38 PM
Big thugs charging off the cliff instead of to their victim, not surprised at all.

If they continue on this trajectory of wasting their exports, sooner or later, when food prices start to go up in their own country, they will gain half a brain and start smuggling in some of it to Russia. Perhaps this has already happened. But expect it to be short-lived, because modern Russia cannot fight a protracted war for several years.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Lucius on July 20, 2023, 02:09:15 PM
~snip~
With its piracy, Russia is blackmailing the whole world, trying to partially lift sanctions for its military invasion of Ukraine and jeopardizing food security in the world, thereby increasing the threat of hunger in many poor countries of the world.

There is an old saying that says "In love and in war everything is allowed", and in the context of this saying why should this even be news if we know that Russia has already killed about 10 000 civilians (of which over 500 children) by aggression against a neighboring country. For them, it makes no difference whether they kill with weapons or by causing famine in some poor country.

Besides, blackmail isn't going to help them, because we crossed the threshold long ago when negotiating with terrorists. It is true that some countries depend on cheap grain from Ukraine, but these needs will simply have to be covered from some other sources.

Perhaps some think that Ukraine is irreplaceable in this regard, but only the EU produces as much as 6 times more grain than Ukraine, which this year is at only 21 000 metric tons, which is 12 000 metric tons less than the previous year.

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/07/20/nHh6z.png
Source (https://www.statista.com/statistics/237908/global-top-wheat-producing-countries/)


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: coolcoinz on July 20, 2023, 02:23:51 PM
Thus, Russia stated that it intends to sink any civilian ships that will be sent to the Black Sea ports of Ukraine.

They're acting like a bully. The Black Sea doesn't belong to Russia!
It's like saying that if you see anybody walking on the street in front of your house you'll shoot them.

IMO countries should show their objection and send a group of ships, followed by a military escort, preferably in the air. If these transport ships are attacked, the escort should elliminate the attacker with air-sea missiles and that would be it.
Bullies should be dealt with immediately, otherwise they will become more confident.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Sayeds56 on July 20, 2023, 03:28:36 PM
Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions

This ongoing conflict between Ukraine and Russia has had profound impact on human lives worldwide and its ripple effects are of global concerns. One of the significant consequence is logistic issue, resulting in food and gas shortage not only in war zone but all over the world as Ukraine and Russia are major suppliers of food items and petroleum products.The severity of this situation can potentially trigger severe economic meltdown globally that concerns all of us..

In the light of these grave circumstances, it is imperative for world community to take decisive actions and make vigorous efforts to facilitate a  peaceful resolution to this conflict.



Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: kryptqnick on July 20, 2023, 04:02:21 PM
I mean, it's just classic Russia at this point. They've committed lots of war crimes, and if they sink civilian ships with grain, it won't even make the top-10, unfortunately. I hope that Ukrainian ships will be accompanied by Turkish ships, ignoring Russia, and Russia won't dare to attack vessels accompanied by a NATO member, and vessels which are known to carry grains and nothing military-related.
As for the countries getting the grain, of course I'll all up for low-income countries getting more of it, but that's still zero excuse to destroy Ukrainian grain (which they already did) and threaten to sink civilian cargo ships (which they currently intend to do).
In terms of food security, though, I think the market is quite diverse, but the situation is already awful, so even a small change can result in preventable deaths.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Flexystar on July 20, 2023, 05:31:47 PM
That is definitely horrifying situation. If some other country did not arise to form an alliance with the UN and affected countries for providing the food that is cut off then it’s gonna be nightmare. Many countries are incapable of growing the essential grains due to their geographical location and this is the main reason we have the import and export trades all over the world. This does not apply to grains only but there are many other Special food items that grow only to specific region, climate and soil around the globe and thus it creates demand in the other regions too. This is going to affect severely if continued for very long period of time. It is definitely decision that’s taken in the angry mode. Not good people!


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: darkangel11 on July 20, 2023, 07:32:47 PM
It's a retaliation for Ukrainian attacks strikes on the Kerch Bridge, but then, can we really talk about retaliation? Russia attacked first, so every consecutive Ukrainian response was already a retaliation.
I agree that they're bullying the West. Russia is losing the war, not because it is close to losing all its military power, but because it cannot stop Ukraine from fighting back and cannot stabilize the occupied territories. The war cannot be won if you cannot secure the land. Both sides will keep throwing lead at each other until either one side gives up or runs out of resources.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Fortify on July 20, 2023, 07:52:00 PM
On July 17, 2023, Russia withdrew from the “grain agreement” and officially notified Turkey and Ukraine, as well as the UN secretariat, of its objection to the extension of the “grain deal” for the export of grain and other agricultural products from Ukrainian ports to the world market.

In connection with the termination of the Black Sea Initiative and the curtailment of the maritime humanitarian corridor, from 00:00 Moscow time on July 20, 2023, all ships en route to Ukrainian ports in the Black Sea will be considered as potential carriers of military cargo. Accordingly, the flag countries of such vessels will be considered involved in the Ukrainian conflict on the side of the Kyiv regime, the Russian Defense Ministry said.

Thus, Russia stated that it intends to sink any civilian ships that will be sent to the Black Sea ports of Ukraine. This will greatly complicate the delivery of agricultural products to many poor regions of the world. Due to Russia's sabotage of the "grain corridor" in recent months, the world has not received an additional 25 million tons of agricultural products from Ukraine. In total, 1,002 vessels left Ukrainian ports during the year of this agreement. According to the Ministry of Infrastructure of Ukraine, since the start of the “grain agreement”, more than 33 million tons of products of Ukrainian farmers have been exported to 45 countries of the world.

It is worth noting that after withdrawing from the grain deal, Russia has been attacking Ukrainian ports with missiles and drones for the third night in a row, trying to hit terminals with Ukrainian grain. So, on July 19, 60,000 tons of grain were destroyed in the terminal of the Ukrainian port of Chornomorsk, which was planned to be delivered to the world market two months ago.

With its piracy, Russia is blackmailing the whole world, trying to partially lift sanctions for its military invasion of Ukraine and jeopardizing food security in the world, thereby increasing the threat of hunger in many poor countries of the world.

Who would have thought a country that invaded it's neighbor, just because the people overthrew his dictator buddy, would stoop so low as to cut off food supplies that affect the poorest people around the world? Oh right, everyone! Every Russian who does not stand up or undermine Putin's government at every opportunity is guilty of supporting this terror. Putin literally has no other outlets for trying to force Ukraine to negotiate, but Ukraine has no interest in negotiating with this evil man and he could not be trusted anyway. Russia is an absolute joke of a country and their leader has taken them from faking an impressive army, to showing that they are completely incompetent. The sooner Putin is dead the better the world will be.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: usekevin on July 20, 2023, 09:33:15 PM
Russian should change their strategy,the exports should be used wisely.When the food scarcity begins,the people of their own country will hold the food to get more money.The smuggling of food will increase in the Russia,if this condition will continuous in long run.This will not good for the Russia and the world population.Because Russia is the biggest powerful country as like the US,it will surely affect the developing country and under developing country lot.So the Russia should change their way of approach,it will prevent the world from food scarcity.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Doan9269 on July 20, 2023, 10:15:41 PM
I don't want it to appear as if there's more dependency on one particular country for the world sustainability inbterms of food supply and workforce needed in farming, this has to be the general opinion that we must all work on to give more priority to agriculture and let farming be what the government will support and encourage everyone to do, let's the whole world embacked on agricultural projects to encourage farming and sustainability for people not to rely on a single country for a particular supply, we are meant to help each other in food supply that's why you could important and export food items from one country to another.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Slow death on July 20, 2023, 11:39:56 PM
honestly it's hard to try to understand a dictator and even worse and harder to try to understand how such a large people can keep looking at the atrocities that his government is causing in another country with a senseless invasion and now blackmails the world by blocking the cereal agreement and even makes threats so that the Black Sea does not pass to the ports of Ukraine, I believe that the dictator was convinced that as Europe depended a lot on his gas and Ukraine was not a heavily armed country and he has chemical weapons so the invasion would go smoothly but it all got worse for him because ukraine is having strong support and this is prolonging the war

with many sanctions that were placed on the dictator's country, so now he is already seeing the circus closing for him and the more time passes, he will lose troops and weapons and his economy will retract and it will reach a point where his soldiers will no longer have the will to fight and in his country the people will not like him anymore because life will be hard. nobody wants to live with war and sanctions, unfortunately dictators don't think so, they even when they have a scenario in which they could go back and apologize and fix their mistakes they don't, for them the end is only with death or coups d'état in their own country, we've seen a lot happen throughout history

countries need to unite and put much more sanctions on the dictator's country in order to force a peace negotiation


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: adaseb on July 21, 2023, 03:43:25 AM
Russia is only part of the problem. I would say the main contributor to the food inflation is Covid. It started all these supply chain issues and with shortages everywhere they started to hike prices everywhere.

Companies saw that they could get away with it and using Covid as an excuse for their price hikes for food, so prices for food skyrocketed in many countries. Look at your grocery bill, you are pretty much paying double what you did back in 2018. So Russian is a small contributor but Covid is what created this mess to begin with.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: DeathAngel on July 21, 2023, 02:28:52 PM
The Russian geopolitical events can have complex and far-reaching effects on global food supply chains, trade, and distribution.

In some cases, international sanctions or trade disruptions can impact food availability and prices, leading to food security concerns in certain regions. Additionally, actions that disrupt agricultural production or trade routes could have implications for food security.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on July 21, 2023, 02:44:14 PM
With all that have happened between Ukraine and Russia , I am a bit surprised that any nation in the world still depend on Russia for food supplies or any other of supplies what so ever.
Relationship between countries is something I don't should be forced, if a country like Russia says they want to be on their own totally, I don't see a reason why they should not be allowed to be, instead of trying to force them into some kind of agreement which will only lead to more wastage of resources and possibly human lives, every country on their own should be up and doing in terms of food supplies and security, it is a shame on humanity if one nation, not to talk of the entire world at large, is thrown into hunger because one country decided to pull out from a grain agreement deal.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: DrBeer on July 21, 2023, 02:47:45 PM
Anything could be used as a weapon of war because all warring nations want to win by all means. Russia wants to pressurize the West to do its bidding because it seems that sanctions have started hitting the Russian economy hard. The economy that was portrayed as sanctioned poof is gradually losing its strength. The war is costing so much and it was not expected to last for this long. This halt in this grain deal will affect the world, especially poor nations.

But Russia also raised some valid points. The Kremlin claimed that the West is not keeping its part of the agreement. Russian agricultural products have been restricted from the international market, which is against the agreement. Another point is that one of the main reasons for this agreement is the negative effect the grain blockade had on poor nations. Russia agreed to lift the blockade because many poor nations might experience severe food shortages. But from different reports, it is only 4.5% of grains from Ukraine went to poorest nations. Most of them were diverted to influential nations.

Russia said it is willing to come back to the negotiation table. And as citizens of one of these developing nation I expect that this issue will be settled because the last time the gains supplies from Ukraine was halted, most of us couldn't afford bread. But the perfect solution to all these problems is a peaceful resolution of the war in Ukraine.

A bit of clarification.
Yes, bravado and populism are over in Russia. It turned out that in 2-3 weeks nothing has worked out, Russia is mired in a difficult war, the army is a fake, the economy is a colossus on "feet of clay"..... That is why the west is systematically and monotonously crushing and destroying russia's economy.
The fact is that after Russia loses the war, which is already obvious, there is no guarantee that Russia will be divided into several independent, adequate states. And if Russia manages to preserve its integrity (I hope it will not), it will restore its economy, military-industrial complex, and, having learned from experience, will repeat what it has been doing since 2014. And the world doesn't need that. Therefore, the degradation of the economy should be at such a level that attempts to restore the economy of Russia will take 20-30-50 years.... And this is an acceptable time to build an international system of containment of such inadequate regimes.

Regarding "violations of agreements". There are none. The way out was announced after the defeat of the military infrastructure object "Crimean Bridge", on the territory of Ukraine temporarily occupied by Russia. After which Russia made demands:
- to lift some sanctions that do not allow to receive Western technologies (Russia is technologically left country, like it or not, it is a fact)
- Connect Rosselkhozbank, owned and controlled by Patrushev's son, to SWIFT. This bank used to participate in international aid programs, and more precisely, under the guise of this, made operations on "laundering" and withdrawal of funds of the Kremlin's top brass.

So there are no violations of the agreements, read Russia's statements.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Lida93 on July 21, 2023, 03:23:04 PM
With its piracy, Russia is blackmailing the whole world, trying to partially lift sanctions for its military invasion of Ukraine and jeopardizing food security in the world, thereby increasing the threat of hunger in many poor countries of the world.
The mains purpose for the black sea grain deal as brokered by Russia and Ukraine was to make sure supply of grains in good quantity is spread around the poor nations of the world by the Ukraine through the back sea but from what we are getting from analysis of 32.9 million metric tonnes exported from Ukraine since August more than half of it were going to the developed and advanced nations that are well to do with just about 2.5% to the poor nations an export diversion that's closely monitored by UN reps and Turkey yet no alarm was raised about this. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023/7/17/russia-ukraine-black-sea-grain-deal-all-you-need-to-know
I think Russia must have observed that the West are benefitting much from the grain deal since the war by their provisions of war artilleries and aides to Ukraine and had no option but to protect it territory by cutting off the deal.

The actions, inactions and reactions of both nations at war in the past months is drastically affecting other nations of the world food supply that have no part in this war which should sound as a caveat to government of all nations both rich and poor to put up a state of emergency on agricultural infrastructural development seriously by investing more in agriculture to reduce their dependence on exportation of not just grains but other agricultural produce from Europe.



Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Findingnemo on July 21, 2023, 03:41:10 PM
Not just Ukraine and countries that are supposed to receive the cargos from Ukraine were affected but also Russia since US imposed sanctions against them so it's retaliate from Russia's perspective if all the countries are against them. Geo political conflicts are much more complex either it has to be shut down with power which is not likely the possibility with country like Russia and trying to bring in the Peace in some way.

I wonder what Nato is doing when all these things are happening because if I am not wrong the conflicts began when NATO countries insisted Ukraine to join them.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on July 21, 2023, 05:49:29 PM
Not just Ukraine and countries that are supposed to receive the cargos from Ukraine were affected but also Russia since US imposed sanctions against them so it's retaliate from Russia's perspective if all the countries are against them. Geo political conflicts are much more complex either it has to be shut down with power which is not likely the possibility with country like Russia and trying to bring in the Peace in some way.

It seems that you are very sorry for Russia, which suffered from international sanctions. Of course, one can also feel sorry for those 240 thousand Russian soldiers who were killed in Ukraine, as well as the state of the Russian Federation itself, which has already lost in Ukraine, according to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, 4133 tanks, 8080 armored vehicles, 315 aircraft, 310 helicopters, 4610 artillery systems, 692 MLRS, 440 air defense systems, 7145 various automotive military equipment, 3933 drones, 686 special equipment and so on.

In passing, it is probably worth pitying Russia for the fact that it launches very expensive missiles in Ukraine almost every day and at the same time it suffers great economic damage. So, only on July 19, Russia shelled the southern ports of Ukraine, destroying 60,000 tons of grain in the Ukrainian port of Chornomorsk, which was destined for China. At the same time, the cost of missiles fired at Ukraine on that day is estimated at about $120 million. Russia has spent so much to prevent Ukrainian grain from entering the world market. Already today, futures grain has risen in price on the world market by nine percent.

Shall we pity Russia, which suffers great human and economic losses due to the fact that it fails to conquer the neighboring state of Ukraine and cannot, as planned, destroy a significant part of Ukrainians and cannot forcibly deport another part of Ukrainians to remote parts of Russia in order to assimilate them?

For almost a year and a half, the Russian army has been attacking the territory of Ukraine, and any day it could stop this bloody war, which is now being waged on a front with a total duration of more than 1,200 kilometers, simply by withdrawing its troops and equipment from the territory of Ukraine.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: be.open on July 21, 2023, 06:02:10 PM
Regarding "violations of agreements". There are none. The way out was announced after the defeat of the military infrastructure object "Crimean Bridge", on the territory of Ukraine temporarily occupied by Russia. After which Russia made demands:
- to lift some sanctions that do not allow to receive Western technologies (Russia is technologically left country, like it or not, it is a fact)
- Connect Rosselkhozbank, owned and controlled by Patrushev's son, to SWIFT. This bank used to participate in international aid programs, and more precisely, under the guise of this, made operations on "laundering" and withdrawal of funds of the Kremlin's top brass.

So there are no violations of the agreements, read Russia's statements.
You are again lying or completely incompetent in the matter, and I do not know which of these is worse. Russia did not put forward any new conditions, it suspended its participation in the grain deal, because none of the original conditions on which it was concluded a year ago were fulfilled. If anyone threatens food security, it is the UN, which sabotaged the grain deal for a year, preventing Russia from exporting its grain to the foreign market and, perhaps even more dramatically for food security, preventing Russia from exporting fertilizers.

Putin said that Russia would not renew the grain deal a few days before the Ukrainian terrorist attack on the Crimean bridge, so one is not a consequence of the other. Perhaps one of the triggers was the Ukrainian terrorist attack on the Togliatti-Odessa ammonia pipeline a couple of months ago, the correct operation of which was also one of the conditions for the grain deal. But the terrorist attack on the Crimean bridge was not a cause, but rather a consequence; at the time of the terrorist attack, Ukraine already knew that the grain deal would not be extended.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: coupable on July 21, 2023, 08:24:45 PM

I wonder what Nato is doing when all these things are happening because if I am not wrong the conflicts began when NATO countries insisted Ukraine to join them.
Here it is necessary to specify exactly what is meant by NATO, because NATO is led by the United States, which can be considered benefiting from this situation, while the rest of the countries can be considered directly affected by it.
In all my positions, I always want to differentiate between the United States and the rest of the NATO countries, because the interests of the alliance differ from the interests of each country alone, and may conflict with them. It can be said that the United States is waging a proxy war through its NATO allies who are directly affected by the measures imposed by Russia in response to the sanctions. While the United States is blessed with a strong economy capable of facing various crises, it can be said that it is indirectly benefiting from it.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on July 22, 2023, 04:04:51 AM

I wonder what Nato is doing when all these things are happening because if I am not wrong the conflicts began when NATO countries insisted Ukraine to join them.
Yes, you are indeed wrong. The United States, like other NATO members, has never insisted and does not insist that Ukraine join this alliance. In Ukraine, this issue arose only after Russia militarily seized the Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea and part of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions in 2014. The Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine introduced into the Constitution of Ukraine a course for full membership of the country in the EU and NATO only in 2019. The United States and most NATO members still insist that Ukraine can become a NATO member only after there is no war on its territory and after the approval of this step by all NATO members.

If Ukraine had been accepted into NATO between 2019 and 2021, then most likely Russia would not have dared to start a large-scale war against Ukraine in February 2022. So the United States can be blamed for its inaction on the issue of Ukraine's admission to NATO.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: be.open on July 22, 2023, 05:26:44 AM

I wonder what Nato is doing when all these things are happening because if I am not wrong the conflicts began when NATO countries insisted Ukraine to join them.
Yes, you are indeed wrong. The United States, like other NATO members, has never insisted and does not insist that Ukraine join this alliance. In Ukraine, this issue arose only after Russia militarily seized the Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea and part of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions in 2014. The Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine introduced into the Constitution of Ukraine a course for full membership of the country in the EU and NATO only in 2019. The United States and most NATO members still insist that Ukraine can become a NATO member only after there is no war on its territory and after the approval of this step by all NATO members.

If Ukraine had been accepted into NATO between 2019 and 2021, then most likely Russia would not have dared to start a large-scale war against Ukraine in February 2022. So the United States can be blamed for its inaction on the issue of Ukraine's admission to NATO.
You are lying or absolutely do not know the history of your country, and I do not know which of these is worse. Ukraine aspired to NATO almost from the very beginning of its independence after the collapse of the USSR. Back in 1994, Ukraine signed a framework agreement with NATO as part of the Partnership for Peace initiative. In 1999, a NATO mission was opened in Kyiv and a Ukraine-NATO summit was held. In 2002, the "Individual Partnership Plan with NATO" was adopted. In 2003, Ukraine supported the US operation in Iraq and sent its peacekeeping contingent to Baghdad. 2004 April, the Verkhovna Rada adopted a law on the free access of NATO forces to the territory of Ukraine. June 2004, in the Military Doctrine of Ukraine, a provision appeared on Ukraine's policy of Euro-Atlantic integration, the ultimate goal of which was to join NATO.

Some cooling between Ukraine and NATO occurred only in 2010 with the coming to power of Yanukovych, and in the period 2010-2014 Ukraine made a partial turn towards Russia. Before and after that, Ukraine actively sought to join the EU and NATO.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Findingnemo on July 22, 2023, 05:34:30 AM

I wonder what Nato is doing when all these things are happening because if I am not wrong the conflicts began when NATO countries insisted Ukraine to join them.
Here it is necessary to specify exactly what is meant by NATO, because NATO is led by the United States, which can be considered benefiting from this situation, while the rest of the countries can be considered directly affected by it.
In all my positions, I always want to differentiate between the United States and the rest of the NATO countries, because the interests of the alliance differ from the interests of each country alone, and may conflict with them. It can be said that the United States is waging a proxy war through its NATO allies who are directly affected by the measures imposed by Russia in response to the sanctions. While the United States is blessed with a strong economy capable of facing various crises, it can be said that it is indirectly benefiting from it.
Neither of them is getting any benefits or at least financially but each country from NATO is providing the firepower, new tech drones and a lot of money to Ukraine it seems to me they took Ukraine as a testing field to test all their inventions related to Military aids so they can be sure of what their actual power in case if they have to use their for own in future which really can be avoided that will bring the ease to the Russia-Ukraine war and ends will minimum damage no matter whoever wins the poor lives can be saved.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on July 22, 2023, 06:38:04 AM

I wonder what Nato is doing when all these things are happening because if I am not wrong the conflicts began when NATO countries insisted Ukraine to join them.
Yes, you are indeed wrong. The United States, like other NATO members, has never insisted and does not insist that Ukraine join this alliance. In Ukraine, this issue arose only after Russia militarily seized the Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea and part of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions in 2014. The Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine introduced into the Constitution of Ukraine a course for full membership of the country in the EU and NATO only in 2019. The United States and most NATO members still insist that Ukraine can become a NATO member only after there is no war on its territory and after the approval of this step by all NATO members.

If Ukraine had been accepted into NATO between 2019 and 2021, then most likely Russia would not have dared to start a large-scale war against Ukraine in February 2022. So the United States can be blamed for its inaction on the issue of Ukraine's admission to NATO.
You are lying or absolutely do not know the history of your country, and I do not know which of these is worse. Ukraine aspired to NATO almost from the very beginning of its independence after the collapse of the USSR. Back in 1994, Ukraine signed a framework agreement with NATO as part of the Partnership for Peace initiative. In 1999, a NATO mission was opened in Kyiv and a Ukraine-NATO summit was held. In 2002, the "Individual Partnership Plan with NATO" was adopted. In 2003, Ukraine supported the US operation in Iraq and sent its peacekeeping contingent to Baghdad. 2004 April, the Verkhovna Rada adopted a law on the free access of NATO forces to the territory of Ukraine. June 2004, in the Military Doctrine of Ukraine, a provision appeared on Ukraine's policy of Euro-Atlantic integration, the ultimate goal of which was to join NATO.

Some cooling between Ukraine and NATO occurred only in 2010 with the coming to power of Yanukovych, and in the period 2010-2014 Ukraine made a partial turn towards Russia. Before and after that, Ukraine actively sought to join the EU and NATO.
Here the issue was the action plan of the United States and other NATO members in relation to Ukraine's membership in this alliance, and not the actions of the Ukrainian leadership to strengthen cooperation with NATO. Yes, indeed, there were certain actions, but at the Bucharest NATO summit in April 2008, the Ukrainian side was refused because of the position of Germany and France. At the same time, the heads of state and government of NATO member countries stated in Bucharest that Georgia and Ukraine will become NATO members when they meet the requirements for membership in this organization. This formulation can even now be applied to all other states.

Until 2014, the majority of Ukrainians did not support joining NATO. The situation changed dramatically after Russia's aggression in the Crimea and Donbass - the majority of Ukrainians began to support joining NATO. Only after that Ukraine's accession to NATO acquired a real perspective. Thus, Russia, by its aggression, itself pushed Ukraine to join NATO, which will definitely happen after the end of the war with Russia.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: be.open on July 22, 2023, 07:21:43 AM

I wonder what Nato is doing when all these things are happening because if I am not wrong the conflicts began when NATO countries insisted Ukraine to join them.
Yes, you are indeed wrong. The United States, like other NATO members, has never insisted and does not insist that Ukraine join this alliance. In Ukraine, this issue arose only after Russia militarily seized the Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea and part of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions in 2014. The Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine introduced into the Constitution of Ukraine a course for full membership of the country in the EU and NATO only in 2019. The United States and most NATO members still insist that Ukraine can become a NATO member only after there is no war on its territory and after the approval of this step by all NATO members.

If Ukraine had been accepted into NATO between 2019 and 2021, then most likely Russia would not have dared to start a large-scale war against Ukraine in February 2022. So the United States can be blamed for its inaction on the issue of Ukraine's admission to NATO.
You are lying or absolutely do not know the history of your country, and I do not know which of these is worse. Ukraine aspired to NATO almost from the very beginning of its independence after the collapse of the USSR. Back in 1994, Ukraine signed a framework agreement with NATO as part of the Partnership for Peace initiative. In 1999, a NATO mission was opened in Kyiv and a Ukraine-NATO summit was held. In 2002, the "Individual Partnership Plan with NATO" was adopted. In 2003, Ukraine supported the US operation in Iraq and sent its peacekeeping contingent to Baghdad. 2004 April, the Verkhovna Rada adopted a law on the free access of NATO forces to the territory of Ukraine. June 2004, in the Military Doctrine of Ukraine, a provision appeared on Ukraine's policy of Euro-Atlantic integration, the ultimate goal of which was to join NATO.

Some cooling between Ukraine and NATO occurred only in 2010 with the coming to power of Yanukovych, and in the period 2010-2014 Ukraine made a partial turn towards Russia. Before and after that, Ukraine actively sought to join the EU and NATO.
Here the issue was the action plan of the United States and other NATO members in relation to Ukraine's membership in this alliance, and not the actions of the Ukrainian leadership to strengthen cooperation with NATO. Yes, indeed, there were certain actions, but at the Bucharest NATO summit in April 2008, the Ukrainian side was refused because of the position of Germany and France. At the same time, the heads of state and government of NATO member countries stated in Bucharest that Georgia and Ukraine will become NATO members when they meet the requirements for membership in this organization. This formulation can even now be applied to all other states.

Until 2014, the majority of Ukrainians did not support joining NATO. The situation changed dramatically after Russia's aggression in the Crimea and Donbass - the majority of Ukrainians began to support joining NATO. Only after that Ukraine's accession to NATO acquired a real perspective. Thus, Russia, by its aggression, itself pushed Ukraine to join NATO, which will definitely happen after the end of the war with Russia.
Lol dude. I'm talking about the fact that Ukraine throughout the history of its independent existence (with the exception of the period of Yanukovych's rule) has tried with all its might to join NATO. And on the part of NATO, just as there was no particular desire to accept Ukraine into its alliance, so now there is none - and nothing has fundamentally changed in this matter since at least 2008. At the recent summit in Vilnius, NATO canceled the Ukrainian Membership Action Plan, but this is not progress, but rather even regression. Because if earlier there was at least some kind of plan, now Ukraine does not even know what conditions it must meet in order to enter NATO.

I'll tell you what these conditions are - you need to end the conflict with a military victory over Russia. In other words, Ukraine will never join NATO because the probability of a military victory over a nuclear power is zero. ;D

ps Statement by the Permanent Representative of Russia to the UN on the terms of the resumption of the grain deal (https://russiaun.ru/ru/news/unsc_210723).


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on July 22, 2023, 12:33:02 PM

Lol dude. I'm talking about the fact that Ukraine throughout the history of its independent existence (with the exception of the period of Yanukovych's rule) has tried with all its might to join NATO. And on the part of NATO, just as there was no particular desire to accept Ukraine into its alliance, so now there is none - and nothing has fundamentally changed in this matter since at least 2008. At the recent summit in Vilnius, NATO canceled the Ukrainian Membership Action Plan, but this is not progress, but rather even regression. Because if earlier there was at least some kind of plan, now Ukraine does not even know what conditions it must meet in order to enter NATO.

I'll tell you what these conditions are - you need to end the conflict with a military victory over Russia. In other words, Ukraine will never join NATO because the probability of a military victory over a nuclear power is zero. ;D

Can you tell how the current war between Russia and Ukraine will end, and approximately on what conditions?


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: be.open on July 22, 2023, 01:06:57 PM

Lol dude. I'm talking about the fact that Ukraine throughout the history of its independent existence (with the exception of the period of Yanukovych's rule) has tried with all its might to join NATO. And on the part of NATO, just as there was no particular desire to accept Ukraine into its alliance, so now there is none - and nothing has fundamentally changed in this matter since at least 2008. At the recent summit in Vilnius, NATO canceled the Ukrainian Membership Action Plan, but this is not progress, but rather even regression. Because if earlier there was at least some kind of plan, now Ukraine does not even know what conditions it must meet in order to enter NATO.

I'll tell you what these conditions are - you need to end the conflict with a military victory over Russia. In other words, Ukraine will never join NATO because the probability of a military victory over a nuclear power is zero. ;D

Can you tell how the current war between Russia and Ukraine will end, and approximately on what conditions?
Well, I don't like it, but since you ask, so be it, I'll blow the dust off my crystal ball and tell you about the most likely scenario for the end of the armed conflict between Russia and Ukraine. All wars end with peace negotiations, and this one will be no exception. Ukraine will have to accept peace on Russia's terms and document its neutral non-bloc status, as well as come to terms with territorial losses. The terms of the peace agreement for Ukraine will worsen over time, in the sense that in April last year the parties almost agreed and then the conditions for Ukraine were as mild as possible. If negotiations start right now, Ukraine will only lose four territories in addition to the long-lost Crimea. If the negotiations take place in a year, Ukraine will probably lose additionally at least Kharkiv, Nikolaev and Odessa, along with the adjacent territories. If the conflict continues for a couple more years, perhaps Ukraine will completely disappear from the political map of the world as a sovereign state. The sooner Ukraine gets rid of unrealizable illusions about the very possibility of defeating Russia, the easier will be its burden of disappointment from the new reality in which it will have to live after the end of the armed conflict.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on July 22, 2023, 02:27:30 PM

Can you tell how the current war between Russia and Ukraine will end, and approximately on what conditions?
Well, I don't like it, but since you ask, so be it, I'll blow the dust off my crystal ball and tell you about the most likely scenario for the end of the armed conflict between Russia and Ukraine. All wars end with peace negotiations, and this one will be no exception. Ukraine will have to accept peace on Russia's terms and document its neutral non-bloc status, as well as come to terms with territorial losses. The terms of the peace agreement for Ukraine will worsen over time, in the sense that in April last year the parties almost agreed and then the conditions for Ukraine were as mild as possible. If negotiations start right now, Ukraine will only lose four territories in addition to the long-lost Crimea. If the negotiations take place in a year, Ukraine will probably lose additionally at least Kharkiv, Nikolaev and Odessa, along with the adjacent territories. If the conflict continues for a couple more years, perhaps Ukraine will completely disappear from the political map of the world as a sovereign state. The sooner Ukraine gets rid of unrealizable illusions about the very possibility of defeating Russia, the easier will be its burden of disappointment from the new reality in which it will have to live after the end of the armed conflict.
Well, in a year or two we will see how your forecast will come true. But I am sure that if the agreement between Ukraine and Russia had been in April last year, then it would have been the worst option for Ukraine. And it is unlikely that the Ukrainians themselves would agree with the territorial losses. In Ukraine, the guerrilla war against the invaders would continue and the Russians would simply be cut out at night and fired from captured weapons.

Of course, the degree of military, financial and material assistance of Ukraine's partners will largely influence the situation. If support continues for at least a couple more years and at least at such a clearly insufficient level (and European countries are now considering assistance to Ukraine in the war against Russia in the amount of $20 billion for the next four years), and there will also be similar assistance from the United States and NATO countries, then Russia can hardly count on winning this war. Unless they say in the Kremlin that they have practically destroyed the population, cities and other settlements of Donbass, and this will be considered a great victory over Ukraine.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: bitgolden on July 22, 2023, 06:15:34 PM
Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
This ongoing conflict between Ukraine and Russia has had profound impact on human lives worldwide and its ripple effects are of global concerns. One of the significant consequence is logistic issue, resulting in food and gas shortage not only in war zone but all over the world as Ukraine and Russia are major suppliers of food items and petroleum products.The severity of this situation can potentially trigger severe economic meltdown globally that concerns all of us..

In the light of these grave circumstances, it is imperative for world community to take decisive actions and make vigorous efforts to facilitate a  peaceful resolution to this conflict.
Unfortunately that is true, there are a lot of people who are not entirely sure why their money is becoming worthless and why inflation is high when they are not the ones fighting, but if your nation had a lot of deals with either Russia or Ukraine then you are going to end up with a lot of trouble financially.

Some nations got better because of it, since nations who couldn't get what they want from those two, ended up getting it from another nation, which allowed some of these nations to grow, but aside from that we are talking about a lot of nations growing lower and lower. So in the end, if your nation is doing bad as well, that means you are not going to end up with a good result due to this war even if you are not involved in it.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: BIT-BENDER on July 22, 2023, 07:53:34 PM
The affects of the war would be far more than the reason at which there was a war in the first place, Russia is not only an agricultural power house they are amongst the OPEC nation and I believe they have the highest petroleum resources in the whole of Europe, which is actually a big deal because the supply vast majority of European countries with it.

The war can only bring enemies, and with the even such as Russia backing out of the grain deal they can still cut off more ties with other countries leaving individual in serious chaos.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: coupable on July 22, 2023, 08:39:13 PM

I wonder what Nato is doing when all these things are happening because if I am not wrong the conflicts began when NATO countries insisted Ukraine to join them.
Here it is necessary to specify exactly what is meant by NATO, because NATO is led by the United States, which can be considered benefiting from this situation, while the rest of the countries can be considered directly affected by it.
In all my positions, I always want to differentiate between the United States and the rest of the NATO countries, because the interests of the alliance differ from the interests of each country alone, and may conflict with them. It can be said that the United States is waging a proxy war through its NATO allies who are directly affected by the measures imposed by Russia in response to the sanctions. While the United States is blessed with a strong economy capable of facing various crises, it can be said that it is indirectly benefiting from it.
Neither of them is getting any benefits or at least financially but each country from NATO is providing the firepower, new tech drones and a lot of money to Ukraine it seems to me they took Ukraine as a testing field to test all their inventions related to Military aids so they can be sure of what their actual power in case if they have to use their for own in future which really can be avoided that will bring the ease to the Russia-Ukraine war and ends will minimum damage no matter whoever wins the poor lives can be saved.
The biggest beneficiary of this war is the United States, which seeks victory over both China and Russia, who belong to one front. The land is not on its lands, nor on its borders, and its economy is able to withstand.
The rest of the alliance countries, the war is taking place close to them, and they do not hesitate to provide support to Ukraine so that none of them will be on the list next to Russia, and here the threats to Poland have begun to appear on the surface.
In one of my previous comments, I said that in the end, Ukraine might become the least affected, even if it lost the war and Russia annexed it. Simply because all the sanctions imposed by the West on Russia have the opposite effect on him himself.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: serveria.com on July 22, 2023, 09:42:22 PM
On July 17, 2023, Russia withdrew from the “grain agreement” and officially notified Turkey and Ukraine, as well as the UN secretariat, of its objection to the extension of the “grain deal” for the export of grain and other agricultural products from Ukrainian ports to the world market.

In connection with the termination of the Black Sea Initiative and the curtailment of the maritime humanitarian corridor, from 00:00 Moscow time on July 20, 2023, all ships en route to Ukrainian ports in the Black Sea will be considered as potential carriers of military cargo. Accordingly, the flag countries of such vessels will be considered involved in the Ukrainian conflict on the side of the Kyiv regime, the Russian Defense Ministry said.

Thus, Russia stated that it intends to sink any civilian ships that will be sent to the Black Sea ports of Ukraine. This will greatly complicate the delivery of agricultural products to many poor regions of the world. Due to Russia's sabotage of the "grain corridor" in recent months, the world has not received an additional 25 million tons of agricultural products from Ukraine. In total, 1,002 vessels left Ukrainian ports during the year of this agreement. According to the Ministry of Infrastructure of Ukraine, since the start of the “grain agreement”, more than 33 million tons of products of Ukrainian farmers have been exported to 45 countries of the world.

It is worth noting that after withdrawing from the grain deal, Russia has been attacking Ukrainian ports with missiles and drones for the third night in a row, trying to hit terminals with Ukrainian grain. So, on July 19, 60,000 tons of grain were destroyed in the terminal of the Ukrainian port of Chornomorsk, which was planned to be delivered to the world market two months ago.

With its piracy, Russia is blackmailing the whole world, trying to partially lift sanctions for its military invasion of Ukraine and jeopardizing food security in the world, thereby increasing the threat of hunger in many poor countries of the world.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://1prime.ru/state_regulation/20230719/841129477.html&ved=2ahUKEwjp-8fln5uAAxUCGhAIHUh2CGgQFnoECB4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw2Y-4 amIIxS74jQpfr8rfTw

https://news.zerkalo.io/world/44156.html

https://m.gordonua.com/news/war/rossiya-zayavila-chto-budet-schitat-vse-suda-idushchie-v-ukrainskie-porty-perevozchikami-gruzov-voennogo-naznacheniya-1673774.html

You forgot to mention that:

1. Russia left the grain deal because of the Ukrainian drone attacks on Russian military ships safeguarding shipping routes.
2. Russia stated no attacks will be performed on the civilian vessels, they won't be sunk or shot at, but merely intercepted and taken to the port of Sevastopol.

Other than that your info is precise.  ;D


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on July 24, 2023, 03:55:11 AM
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You forgot to mention that:

1. Russia left the grain deal because of the Ukrainian drone attacks on Russian military ships safeguarding shipping routes.
2. Russia stated no attacks will be performed on the civilian vessels, they won't be sunk or shot at, but merely intercepted and taken to the port of Sevastopol.

Other than that your info is precise.  ;D
In fact, the only and greatest danger to the "grain" corridor is precisely the Russian ships of the Black Sea Fleet. Until the time when Russia attacked Ukraine and began to block its seaports with its fleet, there was no danger to civilian shipping. Russia almost every day shells the entire territory of Ukraine with all its might of the Black Sea Fleet and at the same time wants its warships not to be subjected to retaliatory attacks from Ukraine? It is somehow naive and stupid to hope for it.

At first, the Russian Ministry of Defense stated that they would sink all ships heading towards Ukrainian ports, and only after some time, fearing that they could be accused of piracy, they made the clarification you mentioned above.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: yhiaali3 on July 24, 2023, 04:30:47 AM
There is only one way out - the destruction of the Rashist regime, as Nazism was destroyed in 1945 .... Otherwise, all this will continue and expand to the whole world
But this will lead to a third world war, and this war, if it occurs, will not be like the war to destroy Nazism in 1945, but rather it will be a nuclear war that could lead to the destruction of the entire planet.

Russia possesses perhaps the largest nuclear power in the world, and an attempt to destroy it through a world war may lead to the use of nuclear weapons, and this is what the whole world does not want.

Endangering global food security is a crime that cannot be tolerated, but the problem cannot be solved in this way, and world leaders are aware of the seriousness of such a step, so they must all work to find alternative solutions and spare the world the specter of a nuclear catastrophe.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: pooya87 on July 24, 2023, 07:28:14 AM
The mains purpose for the black sea grain deal as brokered by Russia and Ukraine was to make sure supply of grains in good quantity is spread around the poor nations of the world by the Ukraine through the back sea but from what we are getting from analysis of 32.9 million metric tonnes exported from Ukraine since August more than half of it were going to the developed and advanced nations that are well to do with just about 2.5% to the poor nations an export diversion that's closely monitored by UN reps and Turkey yet no alarm was raised about this.
It was last year that I said this deal is only going to benefit NATO while the propaganda machines in Europe were constantly talking about helping Africa with the deal. It was obvious from day one that Europe is desperately trying to fill their storages and diminish the effects of the food crisis in EU.
Today the stats are also showing that they did steal the food that was supposed to go to poor countries such as Africa. It is a lot higher than reported in the news.

The only reason why propaganda machines are active again and severely brainwashed people like OP are talking about food security in the "world" is because after this deal was broken Europe will start experiencing the food crisis that was going on in places like Africa to some extent.

P.S. This could also be another reason why US is increasing tensions in West Asia by destabilizing the whole region by activating its terrorist proxies considering that this is the land based route that is being established that could move goods including food stuff to Africa (and elsewhere) much quicker and safer without EU or US being able to steal any of it...


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on July 24, 2023, 04:56:31 PM

It was last year that I said this deal is only going to benefit NATO while the propaganda machines in Europe were constantly talking about helping Africa with the deal. It was obvious from day one that Europe is desperately trying to fill their storages and diminish the effects of the food crisis in EU.
Today the stats are also showing that they did steal the food that was supposed to go to poor countries such as Africa. It is a lot higher than reported in the news.

The only reason why propaganda machines are active again and severely brainwashed people like OP are talking about food security in the "world" is because after this deal was broken Europe will start experiencing the food crisis that was going on in places like Africa to some extent.

The information that Europe is trying to appropriate grain from Ukraine can also be considered interested propaganda, because the situation in this matter is just completely opposite. The fact is that Bulgaria, Hungary, Poland, Romania and Slovakia have either banned or are ready to introduce a temporary ban on agricultural imports from Ukraine in recent days. They absolutely do not need grain from Ukraine and there are several reasons for this.

  In May 2022, the European Union abolished duties and quotas on the import of grain and other agricultural products from Ukraine, which became a victim of Russian aggression, for a year. As a result, the volume of Ukrainian agricultural exports to the EU countries increased by 65% over the year. The fact is that due to the blockade of Ukrainian ports on the Black Sea by the Russian fleet, the western direction has become practically the only way for Ukraine to export food. Later, through the mediation of the UN and Turkey, an agreement was concluded with Russia on the export of Ukrainian grain by sea. But this agreement did not cover the entire volume of exports, and it was unreliable: every few months it had to be extended, and Russia constantly slowed down participation in the inspection of ships loaded with grain and set various conditions for such an extension.

  Initially, it was assumed that a significant part of the Ukrainian grain entering the neighboring EU countries would not stay there and proceed through European ports to the countries of Africa and the Middle East, which are highly dependent on grain imports from Ukraine. But it happened differently. Due to the lack of control, Ukrainian grain, which is much cheaper than Polish or other European grain, was "delayed" in Central European warehouses and elevators and began to enter the local market. In addition, scammers-dealers, by falsifying documents, passed off Ukrainian industrial grain, intended for livestock feed, as local and suitable for making bread. In Poland, according to local authorities, about half of the importers of technical grain were engaged in such fraud. The price of grain in the markets of the countries of the region began to fall. Local farmers were outraged. This indignation turned out to be especially strong in Poland, where 4 million tons of Ukrainian grain accumulated. Poland's agriculture minister, Henryk Kowalczyk, who had previously urged farmers not to cut production because he thought prices were not expected to fall, has resigned. As a result, in mid-April, Poland first, followed by Hungary, Slovakia and Bulgaria, announced a ban on the import of grain and some other types of agricultural products from Ukraine. Romania threatened with similar measures. True, a couple of days after negotiations with Ukrainian representatives, the Polish side agreed to unblock the transit of grain, promising to introduce strict control over the routes of its passage through its territory. Slovakia and Bulgaria did not restrict transit from the very beginning.

The European Union did not leave the problems of farmers unattended: they were offered compensation in the amount of almost 60 million euros, of which Poland accounts for about 30 million, Bulgaria - almost 17, and Romania - 10 million. The local agricultural lobby considers this insufficient, and the European Commission seems to have decided to fork out: negotiations are underway for a second compensation package - in the amount of 100 million euros.

It should also be noted that Ukraine sends its grain and other agricultural products to other countries in accordance with the concluded contracts and according to the terms of delivery agreed upon in them. The relevant UN structures also participate in the distribution of grain.

https://www.dw.com/ru/konflikt-vokrug-importa-ukrainskogo-zerna-es-iset-vyhod/a-65357597

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://overclockers.ru/blog/Nacvark/show/90995/problemy-eksporta-ukrainskogo-zerna-v-evropu-i-pochemu-evropejskie-strany-otkazyvajutsya-ot-nego&ved=2ahUK EwjmnKKsv6eAAxW2EhAIHS8wCBEQFnoECDAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0uXXyIjIppX_m0_mJNNge9

https://biz.nv.ua/economics/strany-es-otkazyvayutsya-ot-ukrainskogo-zerna-novosti-ukrainy-50319548.html

https://www.svoboda.org/a/bitva-za-urozhay-pochemu-ukrainskoe-zerno-perestali-puskatj-v-evropu/32371678.html


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: serveria.com on July 24, 2023, 09:01:40 PM
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You forgot to mention that:

1. Russia left the grain deal because of the Ukrainian drone attacks on Russian military ships safeguarding shipping routes.
2. Russia stated no attacks will be performed on the civilian vessels, they won't be sunk or shot at, but merely intercepted and taken to the port of Sevastopol.

Other than that your info is precise.  ;D
In fact, the only and greatest danger to the "grain" corridor is precisely the Russian ships of the Black Sea Fleet. Until the time when Russia attacked Ukraine and began to block its seaports with its fleet, there was no danger to civilian shipping. Russia almost every day shells the entire territory of Ukraine with all its might of the Black Sea Fleet and at the same time wants its warships not to be subjected to retaliatory attacks from Ukraine? It is somehow naive and stupid to hope for it.
So you're trying to say that Ukraine was not aware of this before they signed the deal? When you sign the deal you have to follow the rules and conditions of the deal. Otherwise there is no point of signing it at all. Don't you think so?

Quote from: Argoo
At first, the Russian Ministry of Defense stated that they would sink all ships heading towards Ukrainian ports, and only after some time, fearing that they could be accused of piracy, they made the clarification you mentioned above.
Could you provide the source? Without a source, it's just an unsupported claim, sorry.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: samcrypto on July 24, 2023, 10:24:11 PM
In fact, the only and greatest danger to the "grain" corridor is precisely the Russian ships of the Black Sea Fleet. Until the time when Russia attacked Ukraine and began to block its seaports with its fleet, there was no danger to civilian shipping. Russia almost every day shells the entire territory of Ukraine with all its might of the Black Sea Fleet and at the same time wants its warships not to be subjected to retaliatory attacks from Ukraine? It is somehow naive and stupid to hope for it.

At first, the Russian Ministry of Defense stated that they would sink all ships heading towards Ukrainian ports, and only after some time, fearing that they could be accused of piracy, they made the clarification you mentioned above.
Russia is fighting back in the best possible way to avoid such restrictions, but then again Russia is not the sole supplier of such grain and can't totally black the ships or else, the world will fight back and Russia will be more affected to this. Russia is making a strong ally with BRICS who are trying to make a deal with Russia, what we can expect right now is that more economic sanctions against Russia and I don't know if this will work but hopefully, Russia will stop the war against Ukraine and pay for everything.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on July 25, 2023, 06:40:41 AM
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You forgot to mention that:

1. Russia left the grain deal because of the Ukrainian drone attacks on Russian military ships safeguarding shipping routes.
2. Russia stated no attacks will be performed on the civilian vessels, they won't be sunk or shot at, but merely intercepted and taken to the port of Sevastopol.

Other than that your info is precise.  ;D
In fact, the only and greatest danger to the "grain" corridor is precisely the Russian ships of the Black Sea Fleet. Until the time when Russia attacked Ukraine and began to block its seaports with its fleet, there was no danger to civilian shipping. Russia almost every day shells the entire territory of Ukraine with all its might of the Black Sea Fleet and at the same time wants its warships not to be subjected to retaliatory attacks from Ukraine? It is somehow naive and stupid to hope for it.
So you're trying to say that Ukraine was not aware of this before they signed the deal? When you sign the deal you have to follow the rules and conditions of the deal. Otherwise there is no point of signing it at all. Don't you think so?

Quote from: Argoo
At first, the Russian Ministry of Defense stated that they would sink all ships heading towards Ukrainian ports, and only after some time, fearing that they could be accused of piracy, they made the clarification you mentioned above.
Could you provide the source? Without a source, it's just an unsupported claim, sorry.
No direct agreements between Russia and Ukraine regarding the "grain agreement" were signed. Ukraine has concluded an agreement with Turkey and the UN on the conditions for the safe delivery of its argo products by sea to the world market. Russia has also entered into a similar agreement with Turkey and the UN. Therefore, Ukraine, firing drones on the Russian Black Sea Fleet in response to missile strikes on the territory of Ukraine, did not violate anything. The defense of its territory is an inalienable right of every state and is in accordance with the UN Charter.

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation initially officially stated: “In connection with the termination of the Black Sea Initiative and the curtailment of the maritime humanitarian corridor, from 00.00 Moscow time on July 20, 2023, all ships en route to Ukrainian ports in the Black Sea will be considered as potential carriers of military cargo. Accordingly, the flag countries of such ships will be considered involved in the Ukrainian conflict on the side of the Kiev regime.”

Source:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=Web&rct=j&opi=8978449&url=https://1prime.ru/state_regulation/20230719/84129477.html&ved=2AHUK EWJP-8FLN5UAAXUCCGHUH2CGQFNOECB4QAQ & USG = AOVVAWAW2Y-4


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: davis196 on July 25, 2023, 10:02:52 AM
A lot of unnecessary panic has been spread by this "Russia stopping the grain deal" news.
The annual global grain production is somewhere around 878 million tons. Ukraine's grain export is 30 million tons and dropping fast.
I don't think that the lack of a new "grain deal" would cause such a big food crisis around the world. Russia will export more grain to the African and Asian countries, while Ukraine will also try to export more grain via railroads down to the harbours in Romania, Bulgaria and Greece.
The Odesa harbour was severely damaged by Russian missile strikes and any ships trying to enter the Ukraine territorial waters might be considered a military target by Russia. Unfortunately, this horrible war won't stop anytime soon.  


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: serveria.com on July 25, 2023, 07:45:36 PM
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You forgot to mention that:

1. Russia left the grain deal because of the Ukrainian drone attacks on Russian military ships safeguarding shipping routes.
2. Russia stated no attacks will be performed on the civilian vessels, they won't be sunk or shot at, but merely intercepted and taken to the port of Sevastopol.

Other than that your info is precise.  ;D
In fact, the only and greatest danger to the "grain" corridor is precisely the Russian ships of the Black Sea Fleet. Until the time when Russia attacked Ukraine and began to block its seaports with its fleet, there was no danger to civilian shipping. Russia almost every day shells the entire territory of Ukraine with all its might of the Black Sea Fleet and at the same time wants its warships not to be subjected to retaliatory attacks from Ukraine? It is somehow naive and stupid to hope for it.
So you're trying to say that Ukraine was not aware of this before they signed the deal? When you sign the deal you have to follow the rules and conditions of the deal. Otherwise there is no point of signing it at all. Don't you think so?

Quote from: Argoo
At first, the Russian Ministry of Defense stated that they would sink all ships heading towards Ukrainian ports, and only after some time, fearing that they could be accused of piracy, they made the clarification you mentioned above.
Could you provide the source? Without a source, it's just an unsupported claim, sorry.

No direct agreements between Russia and Ukraine regarding the "grain agreement" were signed. Ukraine has concluded an agreement with Turkey and the UN on the conditions for the safe delivery of its argo products by sea to the world market. Russia has also entered into a similar agreement with Turkey and the UN. Therefore, Ukraine, firing drones on the Russian Black Sea Fleet in response to missile strikes on the territory of Ukraine, did not violate anything. The defense of its territory is an inalienable right of every state and is in accordance with the UN Charter.

That is not true. Ukraine signed the deal with Russia in Turkey. The deal was mediated by UN and Turkey but the agreement's parties were Ukraine and Russia. If you have a source to prove the opposite, please go on and provide it. Ukraine sure has the right to defend it's territory but in this case they shouldn't have signed the agreement knowing they won't be able to maintain it.

Quote from: Argoo
The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation initially officially stated: “In connection with the termination of the Black Sea Initiative and the curtailment of the maritime humanitarian corridor, from 00.00 Moscow time on July 20, 2023, all ships en route to Ukrainian ports in the Black Sea will be considered as potential carriers of military cargo. Accordingly, the flag countries of such ships will be considered involved in the Ukrainian conflict on the side of the Kiev regime.”

Source:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=Web&rct=j&opi=8978449&url=https://1prime.ru/state_regulation/20230719/84129477.html&ved=2AHUK EWJP-8FLN5UAAXUCCGHUH2CGQFNOECB4QAQ & USG = AOVVAWAW2Y-4

As far as I can see it doesn't say anything about "shooting", "sinking" or "destroying" in the article you provided.  ;D

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Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on July 26, 2023, 05:06:17 AM


Quote from: Argoo

No direct agreements between Russia and Ukraine regarding the "grain agreement" were signed. Ukraine has concluded an agreement with Turkey and the UN on the conditions for the safe delivery of its argo products by sea to the world market. Russia has also entered into a similar agreement with Turkey and the UN. Therefore, Ukraine, firing drones on the Russian Black Sea Fleet in response to missile strikes on the territory of Ukraine, did not violate anything. The defense of its territory is an inalienable right of every state and is in accordance with the UN Charter.

That is not true. Ukraine signed the deal with Russia in Turkey. The deal was mediated by UN and Turkey but the agreement's parties were Ukraine and Russia. If you have a source to prove the opposite, please go on and provide it. Ukraine sure has the right to defend it's territory but in this case they shouldn't have signed the agreement knowing they won't be able to maintain it.

Quote from: Argoo
The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation initially officially stated: “In connection with the termination of the Black Sea Initiative and the curtailment of the maritime humanitarian corridor, from 00.00 Moscow time on July 20, 2023, all ships en route to Ukrainian ports in the Black Sea will be considered as potential carriers of military cargo. Accordingly, the flag countries of such ships will be considered involved in the Ukrainian conflict on the side of the Kiev regime.”

Source:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=Web&rct=j&opi=8978449&url=https://1prime.ru/state_regulation/20230719/84129477.html&ved=2AHUK EWJP-8FLN5UAAXUCCGHUH2CGQFNOECB4QAQ & USG = AOVVAWAW2Y-4

As far as I can see it doesn't say anything about "shooting", "sinking" or "destroying" in the article you provided.  ;D

I give links to articles that say that there were no direct agreements between Ukraine and Russia on the "grain corridor". Each side signed an agreement with Turkey and the UN. I specially selected links to Russian sites on this issue. If you say otherwise, then it's time for you to confirm that such an agreement between Ukraine and Russia was directly.

https://tass.ru/ekonomika/15286337

https://strana.today/news/400611-ukraina-podpisala-sohlashenie-s-turtsiej-i-oon-ob-eksporte-zerna-takoj-zhe-dokument-podpishut-rossijane.html

https://www.golosameriki.com/a/ukraine-grain-agreement-turkey/6669928.html

https://www.dw.com/en/dostignuto-soglashenie-ob-jeksporte-zerna-iz-ukrainy/a-62568319

https://www.rbc.ru/business/22/07/2022/62da8cfd9a794769c00b18e4

https://m.gazeta.ru/politics/2022/07/22/15169946.shtml

https://lenta.ru/news/2022/07/22/ukrainazerno/

https://www.bfm.ru/news/505048#bouncehttps://www.bfm.ru/news/505048#bounce

https://www.dw.com/ru/dostignuto-soglashenie-ob-jeksporte-zerna-iz-ukrainy/a-62568319https://www.dw.com/ru/dostignuto-soglashenie-ob-jeksporte-zerna- iz-ukrainy/a-62568319

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://meduza.io/feature/2022/07/22/v-stambule-zaklyucheny-soglasheniya-ob-eksporte- ukrainskogo-zerna-ukraina-otsenila-potentsialnuyu-vyruchku-ot-nih-v-milliard-dollarov-v-mesyats&ved=2ahUKEwiD9Ie1uauAAxW4gv0HHbf3AAA4ChAWegQIDxAB&usg=AOvVaw357qeQUnarZOvSXWYx-VsI

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://finance.ua/saving/ukraina-pidpysala-zernovu-ugodu&ved=2ahUKEwiD9Ie1uauAAxW4gv0HHbf3AAA4ChAWegQIBhAB&usg=AOvVaw2SSzu0dKAJ_cJ phlXnkiRr

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://24tv.ua/ru/ukraina-turcija-i-oon-podpisali-soglashenie-o-vyvoze-ukrainskogo- zerna-leshhenko_n2101370&ved=2ahUKEwiD9Ie1uauAAxW4gv0HHbf3AAA4ChAWegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw0vIkmtIZvSMGbjcpxZ0rdv

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2022/07/22/7359647/&ved=2ahUKEwjv6MWfuauAAxVHgf0HHRydBJkQFnoECDMQAQ&usg= AOvVaw28JWpxjinN1PFEH1fThRx_

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.bbc.com/russian/news-62267628&ved=2ahUKEwjv6MWfuauAAxVHgf0HHRydBJkQjjh6BAgvEAE&usg=AOvVaw2TQJ0FRHa4zN1AnK FZtqhr

And what do you think, if in the conditions of hostilities between Russia and Ukraine, Russia declares that all ships going to Ukrainian seaports will be considered potential carriers of military cargo and involved in a military conflict, is this not a direct threat to sink them? However, judging by the text of the given links, I'm not the only one who thinks so.
What is interesting: when Ukraine announced similar measures, Russia immediately screamed that Ukraine was going to sink all ships bound for Russian ports.
Links:

https://strana.today/news/440279-minoborony-rf-zajavilo-chto-budet-topit-vse-korabli-kotorye-idut-v-ukrainskie-porty.html

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.dialog.ua/ukraine/277711_1689783746&ved=2ahUKEwjTga7qxauAAxVJXqQEHZUKD_kQFnoECB0QAQ&usg=AOvVaw36_1CDl ngGYpAckkKfUhIx

https://news.pn/ru/RussiaInvadedUkraine/294333

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.ukr.net/ru/news/details/politics/98681473.html&ved=2ahUKEwjTga7qxauAAxVJXqQEHZUKD_kQFnoECA4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw2bV8L XvWnQC1B49pFtyVEM

https://forpost-sevastopol.ru/newsfull/1072596/rossiya-prigrozila-topit-vse-sleduyuschie-v-ukrainu-suda.html#bounce

https://ku.life/politika/ukraina-ugrozhaet-topit-rossiyskie-korabli-v-chernom-more.html

https://krasnodar-news.net/society/2023/07/20/304155.html

https://www.rbc.ru/politics/20/07/2023/64b924859a79473a2c6a361a

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://smi2.ru/article/142578817/story&ved=2ahUKEwi9_IL5yKuAAxV5U6QEHVp7A4M4FBAWegQICRAB&usg=AOvVaw1E3IoMoyyemdTbEC qiRK4o

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://glavred.info/ukraine/reakciya-budet-zerkalnoy-ukraina-otvetila-na-ugrozy-rf-topit- korabli-10487152.html&ved=2ahUKEwi9_IL5yKuAAxV5U6QEHVp7A4M4FBAWegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw1tSMDR-xRQYqdfVXRd0mjs

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://kick-league.ru/269371/Minoborony-Ukrainy-ugrozhaet-topit-suda-idushie-v-rossiiyskie- porty-po-Chernomu-moryu/&ved=2ahUKEwjJybH_xquAAxWAaqQEHcycBwM4ChAWegQIDhAB&usg=AOvVaw14SSahVzfaqSEwftZ3ke5_


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: el kaka22 on July 26, 2023, 04:50:19 PM
Nations need to figure out a way to feed themselves, you can't rely on another nation to feed you and then be upset when something goes wrong. You were the one who relied on a different nation to feed your citizens, so when that nation does whatever they want, you were not ready for it.

I bet that it is going to be something difficult in the end, but if you can change anything then you are going to end up changing the situation a lot and you are going to end up with a situation where it will not be that interesting to see. I hope that people end up realizing that this isn't that easy, and we are going to end up seeing a whole lot of situation where it is going to be difficult, but this is just how things are and you need to be ready yourself.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: DrBeer on July 26, 2023, 07:05:58 PM
The mains purpose for the black sea grain deal as brokered by Russia and Ukraine was to make sure supply of grains in good quantity is spread around the poor nations of the world by the Ukraine through the back sea but from what we are getting from analysis of 32.9 million metric tonnes exported from Ukraine since August more than half of it were going to the developed and advanced nations that are well to do with just about 2.5% to the poor nations an export diversion that's closely monitored by UN reps and Turkey yet no alarm was raised about this.
It was last year that I said this deal is only going to benefit NATO while the propaganda machines in Europe were constantly talking about helping Africa with the deal. It was obvious from day one that Europe is desperately trying to fill their storages and diminish the effects of the food crisis in EU.
Today the stats are also showing that they did steal the food that was supposed to go to poor countries such as Africa. It is a lot higher than reported in the news.

The only reason why propaganda machines are active again and severely brainwashed people like OP are talking about food security in the "world" is because after this deal was broken Europe will start experiencing the food crisis that was going on in places like Africa to some extent.

P.S. This could also be another reason why US is increasing tensions in West Asia by destabilizing the whole region by activating its terrorist proxies considering that this is the land based route that is being established that could move goods including food stuff to Africa (and elsewhere) much quicker and safer without EU or US being able to steal any of it...


One simple question to prove that you are willfully misrepresenting information.
So the question is: What terms of the deal were violated? :)

And while you are making up another nonsense, in an attempt to justify the country - international terrorist, and the world's biggest violator of international treaties, conventions and rules, I will tell you about the requirements that Russia puts forward to "resume" the grain "deal".
Russia demands... No, not to "fulfill" some fabulous violations. It demands:
- to remove sanctions that severely limit the ability to receive Western technology, without which technologically backward Russia cannot support itself.
- And the most important condition is to connect Rosselkhozbank, run by Patrushev's son, to SWIFT.  And now the question - why is it that suddenly, many months after this bank was disconnected from SWIFT, such a critical need suddenly appeared? The answer is that this bank, hiding behind programs like grain, used little-controlled mechanisms to launder and withdraw money from the top of the terrorist organization in the Kremlin. And now they are sitting with their rubles, and can not convert them into "no one needs dollars" and withdraw them to the "hated West" ! :) The information is easily verified !

And now you tell your touching fairy tale story ? :)


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Marvell1 on July 27, 2023, 01:02:48 PM
The mains purpose for the black sea grain deal as brokered by Russia and Ukraine was to make sure supply of grains in good quantity is spread around the poor nations of the world by the Ukraine through the back sea but from what we are getting from analysis of 32.9 million metric tonnes exported from Ukraine since August more than half of it were going to the developed and advanced nations that are well to do with just about 2.5% to the poor nations an export diversion that's closely monitored by UN reps and Turkey yet no alarm was raised about this.
It was last year that I said this deal is only going to benefit NATO while the propaganda machines in Europe were constantly talking about helping Africa with the deal. It was obvious from day one that Europe is desperately trying to fill their storages and diminish the effects of the food crisis in EU.
Today the stats are also showing that they did steal the food that was supposed to go to poor countries such as Africa. It is a lot higher than reported in the news.

The only reason why propaganda machines are active again and severely brainwashed people like OP are talking about food security in the "world" is because after this deal was broken Europe will start experiencing the food crisis that was going on in places like Africa to some extent.

P.S. This could also be another reason why US is increasing tensions in West Asia by destabilizing the whole region by activating its terrorist proxies considering that this is the land based route that is being established that could move goods including food stuff to Africa (and elsewhere) much quicker and safer without EU or US being able to steal any of it...

I looked up the information you are referring to and I think you have a point and that could be the reason why President Putin canceled the grain deal. And instead, he announced that Russia would provide free grain to Africa before the Russia-Africa summit. He said Russia will provide free 25-30 thousand tons of grain to Africa including shipping. With this news it confirms your previous arguments are absolutely true and there is no atrocity going on as OP and American fanatics spread.
https://african.business/2023/07/resources/putin-pledges-free-grain-for-africa-ahead-of-russia-africa-summit
https://en.portnews.ru/news/351004/


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: be.open on July 27, 2023, 02:00:09 PM
The mains purpose for the black sea grain deal as brokered by Russia and Ukraine was to make sure supply of grains in good quantity is spread around the poor nations of the world by the Ukraine through the back sea but from what we are getting from analysis of 32.9 million metric tonnes exported from Ukraine since August more than half of it were going to the developed and advanced nations that are well to do with just about 2.5% to the poor nations an export diversion that's closely monitored by UN reps and Turkey yet no alarm was raised about this.
It was last year that I said this deal is only going to benefit NATO while the propaganda machines in Europe were constantly talking about helping Africa with the deal. It was obvious from day one that Europe is desperately trying to fill their storages and diminish the effects of the food crisis in EU.
Today the stats are also showing that they did steal the food that was supposed to go to poor countries such as Africa. It is a lot higher than reported in the news.

The only reason why propaganda machines are active again and severely brainwashed people like OP are talking about food security in the "world" is because after this deal was broken Europe will start experiencing the food crisis that was going on in places like Africa to some extent.

P.S. This could also be another reason why US is increasing tensions in West Asia by destabilizing the whole region by activating its terrorist proxies considering that this is the land based route that is being established that could move goods including food stuff to Africa (and elsewhere) much quicker and safer without EU or US being able to steal any of it...
There is at least one reason why the grain deal was also beneficial for Russia, and that is the answer to the question of why Russia waited a whole year to suspend the deal, although the original conditions were not met. Russia received a stream of parallel imports through Turkey, including electronic and optical components used in the manufacture of precision weapons. This was not advertised, but I think this is an open secret and the main reason why Russia does not run out of missiles, although this was predicted last spring. I think that now the flow of parallel imports goes through another country (for example, through the UAE), so the grain deal has been suspended.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Wimex on July 27, 2023, 03:01:51 PM
The use of military force and piracy to achieve political objectives is unacceptable and constitutes a serious violation of international law... the international community must condemn these actions and take measures to stop this type of aggression and blackmail that puts peace at risk and world stability. These actions, as you mention, in addition to having a devastating impact on the world economy and food security, increase the risk of famine in poor countries that depend on agricultural products exported from Ukraine... I think that armed conflict and trade war alone will cause suffering and hardship for all parties involved and the world community as a whole, but when it comes to Russia, I highly doubt they will seek a path to peace, cooperation and stability to ensure food security and well-being for all…


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: pooya87 on July 27, 2023, 03:05:34 PM
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There is at least one reason why the grain deal was also beneficial for Russia, and that is the answer to the question of why Russia waited a whole year to suspend the deal, although the original conditions were not met. Russia received a stream of parallel imports through Turkey, including electronic and optical components used in the manufacture of precision weapons. This was not advertised, but I think this is an open secret and the main reason why Russia does not run out of missiles, although this was predicted last spring. I think that now the flow of parallel imports goes through another country (for example, through the UAE), so the grain deal has been suspended.
There is never only one reason for these things, for example another reason is to increase the pressure on Europe. After all this is the next world war and it is being fought in multiple battlefields including energy, economy and food. Disrupting grain exports, fertilizer exports, etc. would show itself in the food market like the generally high food prices over the past year in Europe.

Additionally this puts pressure on other countries as well, specially when accompanied by other countries messing with the markets like the recent Indian rice export ban or the last year's ban on oil and oily grains by a couple of countries.
This could potentially have some economical benefits for Russia if they manage to struck new deals with countries that are affected (like in Asia and Africa) and increase their exports to those countries possibly even at higher prices.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: be.open on July 27, 2023, 03:11:04 PM
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There is at least one reason why the grain deal was also beneficial for Russia, and that is the answer to the question of why Russia waited a whole year to suspend the deal, although the original conditions were not met. Russia received a stream of parallel imports through Turkey, including electronic and optical components used in the manufacture of precision weapons. This was not advertised, but I think this is an open secret and the main reason why Russia does not run out of missiles, although this was predicted last spring. I think that now the flow of parallel imports goes through another country (for example, through the UAE), so the grain deal has been suspended.
There is never only one reason for these things, for example another reason is to increase the pressure on Europe. After all this is the next world war and it is being fought in multiple battlefields including energy, economy and food. Disrupting grain exports, fertilizer exports, etc. would show itself in the food market like the generally high food prices over the past year in Europe.

Additionally this puts pressure on other countries as well, specially when accompanied by other countries messing with the markets like the recent Indian rice export ban or the last year's ban on oil and oily grains by a couple of countries.
This could potentially have some economical benefits for Russia if they manage to struck new deals with countries that are affected (like in Asia and Africa) and increase their exports to those countries possibly even at higher prices.
I'm not talking about Russia's gains from terminating the grain deal, which are fairly obvious, but about the less obvious reasons why Russia extended this seemingly unprofitable deal several times.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: pooya87 on July 27, 2023, 03:41:31 PM
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I'm not talking about Russia's gains from terminating the grain deal, which are fairly obvious, but about the less obvious reasons why Russia extended this seemingly unprofitable deal several times.
That was an interesting point regarding precision weapons.
Whenever Turkey is involved that's a whole lot of complications on its own. A country that is geographically in the Eastern Bloc but is a part of NATO and dreams of being considered "part of Europe" while neither side wants them! So they play in the middle. One day they trade with Russia, the other day they try to shut down the sea route from Black Sea on Russia, then the other day they have conflict with a NATO member like Greece and clash with US in Syria.

So it is understandable to have such deals or extend them while "encouraging" Turkey to play a different game and when Turkey starts to change face, such deals also lose their benefit.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Gyfts on July 27, 2023, 06:24:46 PM
A lot of unnecessary panic has been spread by this "Russia stopping the grain deal" news.
The annual global grain production is somewhere around 878 million tons. Ukraine's grain export is 30 million tons and dropping fast.
I don't think that the lack of a new "grain deal" would cause such a big food crisis around the world. Russia will export more grain to the African and Asian countries, while Ukraine will also try to export more grain via railroads down to the harbours in Romania, Bulgaria and Greece.
The Odesa harbour was severely damaged by Russian missile strikes and any ships trying to enter the Ukraine territorial waters might be considered a military target by Russia. Unfortunately, this horrible war won't stop anytime soon.  

There doesn't need to be a monumental shift in global food exports for there to be panic. It causes a domino affect and countries begin hording their own supplies and limiting their exports. Also combine this with the fact that other massive food suppliers have limited exports.

India is banning half of rice exports: https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/india-prohibits-export-non-basmati-white-rice-notice-2023-07-20/

This isn't related to the war, it's because of weather issues that India's deciding to limit global exports. But consider what the total effect will be India's a large global supplier too. During the early days of the war, there was some food stockpiling out of panic. Doesn't take much to cause hysteria.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on July 27, 2023, 06:33:00 PM

I looked up the information you are referring to and I think you have a point and that could be the reason why President Putin canceled the grain deal. And instead, he announced that Russia would provide free grain to Africa before the Russia-Africa summit. He said Russia will provide free 25-30 thousand tons of grain to Africa including shipping. With this news it confirms your previous arguments are absolutely true and there is no atrocity going on as OP and American fanatics spread.
https://african.business/2023/07/resources/putin-pledges-free-grain-for-africa-ahead-of-russia-africa-summit
https://en.portnews.ru/news/351004/
Always remember that free cheese is only in a mousetrap. Especially if Russia and Putin offer something free. True, at first, Putin may well interest African countries in free grain, which the Russian invaders are now stealing and massively exporting from the occupied territories of Ukraine through the Ukrainian port of Berdyansk, and by cars in the direction of Rostov.
In order to compromise Ukraine as a reliable supplier of grain and other agricultural products, Russia is now heavily bombarding Ukraine's Black Sea ports with cruise missiles, as well as Ukraine's grain supply route along the Danube. Therefore, the devil in Putin's guise cannot have good intentions. African countries need to be seriously wary of rapprochement with the Putin regime: they will give a dollar, take a thousand.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: ChiBitCTy on July 27, 2023, 06:48:41 PM
This is a well written and informative write up, I appreciate that.  The sad thing is I know many, and I believe the majority of Russians want absolutely nothing to do with this war. Putin is an evil dictator, plain and simple.  It’s just too bad other nations like China and N Korea would back them up like they are.

Im not saying my country of the United States isn’t corrupt, because we are, but not in this type of fashion. Why can’t we just end war..imagine all the good that could come economically to nations when they spend money on the economy and not fighter jets and tanks. SMH


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Kakmakr on July 28, 2023, 06:06:37 AM
I see Putin has met with some African leaders for the second Russia-Africa summit, but the number of heads of states attending shrank from 43 then to 17.  ;D

MOSCOW, July 27 (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday told African leaders he would gift them tens of thousands of tons of grain despite Western sanctions.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-tells-african-leaders-ill-give-you-free-grain-despite-hypocritical-west-2023-07-27/

So, his strategy to garner support and to retain friends are to give out FREE grain.... in a time when nobody wants to buy grain from his country.  ::)


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: puloweh555 on July 28, 2023, 07:37:41 AM
The use of military force and piracy to achieve political objectives is unacceptable and constitutes a serious violation of international law... the international community must condemn these actions and take measures to stop this type of aggression and blackmail that puts peace at risk and world stability. These actions, as you mention, in addition to having a devastating impact on the world economy and food security, increase the risk of famine in poor countries that depend on agricultural products exported from Ukraine... I think that armed conflict and trade war alone will cause suffering and hardship for all parties involved and the world community as a whole, but when it comes to Russia, I highly doubt they will seek a path to peace, cooperation and stability to ensure food security and well-being for all…
It was Russia's turn to stop exporting grain to Europe, asking for it to be withdrawn and asking for it to be reopened. It was Russia's turn to stop helping Ukraine, NATO and America were ignored, instead they continued to help by sending defense equipment. so it's only natural that it's balanced.

I think if they want to stop Russia from reopening exports, they have to stop helping arms to Ukraine and stop sanctions against Russia after that. Just have a truce and make peace. Of course Russia is willing (as long as Russia is not ordered to withdraw troops). Even if the reason is humanitarian hunger, if arms aid to Ukraine and sanctions against Russia are not stopped. Of course Russia doesn't want that. I as a layman also do not want.

So, his strategy to garner support and to retain friends are to give out FREE grain.... in a time when nobody wants to buy grain from his country.  ::)
All countries reacted, only scapegoating third countries who were starving, while Putin guaranteed the availability of food to African countries smoothly and for free and did not need to use any guarantees.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Oluwa-btc on July 28, 2023, 07:43:33 AM

Yeah, I agree with the part of Russians not wanting to partake in the war, but there'll be nothing wrong if Ukrainians also surrender and back off from all of these rather than to see them dead bodies used as manures for grains. They're fighting for nothing over 310,000 recently have been lost amongst the Ukrainians. Evil dictator? Hahaha. Chinese and North Koreans have been close buddies for sike time even in the past I don't expect the bond to crash soon.
Hahaha, The US?! Your comments are simply biased and one sided. You're not corrupt? Talk is Cheap! So many good going round the world economically but the US wants so much power and control and everything all for themselves including Europeans. Cutting short the rations of food moving to Africa would be considered what?

I see Putin has met with some African leaders for the second Russia-Africa summit, but the number of heads of states attending shrank from 43 then to 17.  ;D

MOSCOW, July 27 (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday told African leaders he would gift them tens of thousands of tons of grain despite Western sanctions.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-tells-african-leaders-ill-give-you-free-grain-despite-hypocritical-west-2023-07-27/
So, his strategy to garner support and to retain friends are to give out FREE grain.... in a time when nobody wants to buy grain from his country.  ::)

What's wrong with African's siding with Russia or with Putin? They're friends and also brothers with African's. They've done Africa no harm in the past more like Europeans and the so called NATO MAJOR COUNTRIES.
Yeah, bout the free grains, I'm still yet to read his motives clearly, but that's what's best to do with Europeans taking all to store for themselves leaving Africa in the dark. I'm disappointed with how they've fared with this shit. It's time for them to make things right, partnership with African's to grow grains and cut all of the much reliance on Ukrainian and Russian grains. They're shortsighted.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: DrBeer on July 28, 2023, 09:11:38 AM
Regarding "violations of agreements". There are none. The way out was announced after the defeat of the military infrastructure object "Crimean Bridge", on the territory of Ukraine temporarily occupied by Russia. After which Russia made demands:
- to lift some sanctions that do not allow to receive Western technologies (Russia is technologically left country, like it or not, it is a fact)
- Connect Rosselkhozbank, owned and controlled by Patrushev's son, to SWIFT. This bank used to participate in international aid programs, and more precisely, under the guise of this, made operations on "laundering" and withdrawal of funds of the Kremlin's top brass.

So there are no violations of the agreements, read Russia's statements.
You are again lying or completely incompetent in the matter, and I do not know which of these is worse. Russia did not put forward any new conditions, it suspended its participation in the grain deal, because none of the original conditions on which it was concluded a year ago were fulfilled. If anyone threatens food security, it is the UN, which sabotaged the grain deal for a year, preventing Russia from exporting its grain to the foreign market and, perhaps even more dramatically for food security, preventing Russia from exporting fertilizers.

Putin said that Russia would not renew the grain deal a few days before the Ukrainian terrorist attack on the Crimean bridge, so one is not a consequence of the other. Perhaps one of the triggers was the Ukrainian terrorist attack on the Togliatti-Odessa ammonia pipeline a couple of months ago, the correct operation of which was also one of the conditions for the grain deal. But the terrorist attack on the Crimean bridge was not a cause, but rather a consequence; at the time of the terrorist attack, Ukraine already knew that the grain deal would not be extended.

I am well aware that you have nothing to counter the TRUTH besides systemic lies and pathetic attempts to manipulate information :)

What terrorist attacks? The so-called "Crimean bridge" is an illegal facility built by the occupier on Ukrainian soil, and is used for the movement of enemy weapons and manpower. A terrorist attack is Moscow's shelling of peaceful Ukrainian cities. This is the destruction of towns and villages, this is the seizure of foreign territories, this is the violation of treaties and obligations.
And Ukraine is simply defending itself, and is legally destroying the aggressor. And this will continue until the complete destruction of Rashism, which is also engaged in economic terror against the whole world, such as attempts to stop the grain program for other countries.

And to summarize - Russia has no right to any demands of legality at all, as it is the world's biggest violator of treaties, agreements, and arrangements. There's a saying "you can't behave like a gentleman with a bastard". So this saying best describes what Russia deserves at the moment, with its total lies, cowardice, terrorism, murder, destruction....
By the way, all of this is supported, or tried to "justify", by you....


PS You still didn't indicate which ARRANGEMENTS were violated, which is generally expected by 150% :)


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: be.open on July 28, 2023, 10:51:14 AM
PS You still didn't indicate which ARRANGEMENTS were violated, which is generally expected by 150% :)
Connecting Rosselkhozbank to SWIFT, unblocking foreign assets and accounts of Russian companies associated with the production and transportation of food and fertilizers, resuming supplies of agricultural machinery and spare parts, as well as restoring the operation of the Togliatti-Odessa ammonia pipeline.

Here is a link (https://www.mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/news/1863194/) to the April statement of the Russian Foreign Ministry on this issue.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: DrBeer on July 28, 2023, 12:19:22 PM
It was Russia's turn to stop exporting grain to Europe, asking for it to be withdrawn and asking for it to be reopened. It was Russia's turn to stop helping Ukraine, NATO and America were ignored, instead they continued to help by sending defense equipment. so it's only natural that it's balanced.

I think if they want to stop Russia from reopening exports, they have to stop helping arms to Ukraine and stop sanctions against Russia after that. Just have a truce and make peace. Of course Russia is willing (as long as Russia is not ordered to withdraw troops). Even if the reason is humanitarian hunger, if arms aid to Ukraine and sanctions against Russia are not stopped. Of course Russia doesn't want that. I as a layman also do not want.


I understand that you “know” from some specific resources what is happening in Ukraine ... I am a resident of Ukraine, I see it all with my own eyes ...
I will answer your proposal, but in a very uncultured way, sorry, but most likely you are simply VERY far from the reality of what is happening in Ukraine.
Try to apply your suggestion to yourself in the following situation: a gang in your area breaks into your house during the day, rapes and brutally kills your mother, maims your sister, kills your father and brother.
And you know that this is a gang that has been terrorizing your area for many years, and promises to continue to kill the inhabitants of your area, while they are armed and noticeably stronger than you. And you only have a kitchen knife...
And when you try to ask for help from the police or neighbors, they will tell you - “come on, everything is fine, that you made a fuss, because of some little things!? a gang of criminals because you want to destroy them, and pledge to love and respect them and live in peace with them.Don't you understand the complexity - the head of the gang is our district plumber, and in our area we will have to look for a new plumber and this is oh how important and really difficult, against the backdrop of some of your petty problems!".

Now tell me - do you agree?

PS. Now I am writing you an answer, and in Kyiv there is AGAIN an air raid, again a terrorist country will try to shell a peaceful city and destroy civilians, women, children, the elderly ... With whom to sign agreements?!


And most importantly - try to assess what really happened. Without Russian grain, the world will live in peace. But Russia has not only stopped shipments of its grain under the program, but is terrorizing everyone else to provoke a real crisis. This is terrorism. This is RASHISM.
This is revenge for the fact that sanctions were imposed on her for terrorism, and they are not allowed to launder money ...


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: MFahad on July 28, 2023, 12:26:01 PM
Nations need to figure out a way to feed themselves, you can't rely on another nation to feed you and then be upset when something goes wrong. You were the one who relied on a different nation to feed your citizens, so when that nation does whatever they want, you were not ready for it.

this is the way which should be accepted by every nation like if one nation is deprived of anything so they should worked for that to establish that thing in own country. Begging in front of other countries for little things will make you slaves so I think food and agriculture is that thing which we can grow in our own country.

If we focus to establish new ways to fulfil these needs then we should not be dependent on other countries. Dependency comes when we are not able to fulfil the requirements of citizens and are in hopes that other country will give these facilities to us so in this case we cannot become and independent nation ever.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: DrBeer on July 28, 2023, 01:13:31 PM
PS You still didn't indicate which ARRANGEMENTS were violated, which is generally expected by 150% :)
Connecting Rosselkhozbank to SWIFT, unblocking foreign assets and accounts of Russian companies associated with the production and transportation of food and fertilizers, resuming supplies of agricultural machinery and spare parts, as well as restoring the operation of the Togliatti-Odessa ammonia pipeline.

Here is a link (https://www.mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/news/1863194/) to the April statement of the Russian Foreign Ministry on this issue.


You can’t think of anything more ridiculous than presenting as TRUTH a link to RUSSIAN, state PROPAGANDA!  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Remember - the Russian government lies as soon as it opens its mouth or writes a word, this is an axiom!

You also agreed on Putin, on his words that he would never attack fraternal Ukraine, and also respects and supports the integrity of its borders, as proof that nothing is happening in Ukraine, and this is all an "internal conflict", in terms of idiocy it will be on the same level :)
About the fact that Putin promised that there would be no mobilization - do not write, it will mentally hurt future conscripts-consumables in the Russian army, and leads to an understanding that life has passed and passed in vain :)

Although I have a different opinion from yours on many issues, I considered you a fairly adequate person, albeit with some features ...
But over and over again you are trying with all your might to convince me of the opposite, trying to throw out here just a fabulously inadequate alternative reality! What's wrong with your life, explain, I'm just at a loss to guess?! If you are being tortured and coerced - write an answer with more than one dot!  ;D ;D

Well, after a long laugh caused by reading "honest statements from Russia", let's get back to the topic:
As you know, an attempt to gather a new flock of tame dogs around us, in the form of a summit "Terrorists from Russia and Africa", has actually been carried out. more than 2/3 of African countries wiped their feet on Russia and showed that they do not want to touch this toxic heap.
Russia, of course, is now trying to make "big gestures", such as writing off debts to the next "friends for money", but in fact "" girl motorcades ".
And also promises to feed a little, in exchange for friendship, well, at least indicative. True, President of Zimbabwe Emmerson Mnangagwa, in response to the proposal of Russian dictator Vladimir Putin to supply free grain to the country, said that he definitely did not need grain from the Kremlin ghoul.
there is a second problem. If today Russia has really good grain harvests, in 2024 they most likely will not. The reason is quite real - the war will return to the land of the aggressor, and the western and, importantly, the southern regions, having assumed responsibility for previously committed crimes, will simply stop any activity due to the conduct of hostilities. It will be interesting to see what the next summit will look like, and what the leader of terrorist Russia will promise to those 1-2 guests :)


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Marvell1 on July 28, 2023, 01:26:34 PM

I looked up the information you are referring to and I think you have a point and that could be the reason why President Putin canceled the grain deal. And instead, he announced that Russia would provide free grain to Africa before the Russia-Africa summit. He said Russia will provide free 25-30 thousand tons of grain to Africa including shipping. With this news it confirms your previous arguments are absolutely true and there is no atrocity going on as OP and American fanatics spread.
https://african.business/2023/07/resources/putin-pledges-free-grain-for-africa-ahead-of-russia-africa-summit
https://en.portnews.ru/news/351004/
Always remember that free cheese is only in a mousetrap. Especially if Russia and Putin offer something free. True, at first, Putin may well interest African countries in free grain, which the Russian invaders are now stealing and massively exporting from the occupied territories of Ukraine through the Ukrainian port of Berdyansk, and by cars in the direction of Rostov.
In order to compromise Ukraine as a reliable supplier of grain and other agricultural products, Russia is now heavily bombarding Ukraine's Black Sea ports with cruise missiles, as well as Ukraine's grain supply route along the Danube. Therefore, the devil in Putin's guise cannot have good intentions. African countries need to be seriously wary of rapprochement with the Putin regime: they will give a dollar, take a thousand.
As you said, free cheese is only in mousetrap. Ukraine should also be wary of countries that are supporting them unconditionally. And by your deduction, Ukraine is becoming a pawn of the US and NATO because they are also supplying weapons and many things that Ukraine needs for the war.

How funny, when someone wants to do charity is also suspected, rejected. While liars and dictators are always hailed as messengers of peace. Africa is a huge territory and they also have their own civilizations and developments. Do you think they are stupid enough to not know who they are playing with and what they are doing? Are you looking down on people from Africa?


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Pierre 2 on July 28, 2023, 02:03:12 PM
Russia is really making a mistake with blocking this grain deal. Its very worth and important for whole world its not even related to anything military. I sometimes feel like Russia wants people to not focus on their unsuccessful operation in Ukraine. Food inflation is the evil mother of all evolution. Russia is directly causing food inflation for no reason whatsoever. It causes millions of people in the world to suffer. Someone should convince Putinists that this is far more important for whole world than their weird war.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: posi on July 28, 2023, 02:37:09 PM
Russia is really making a mistake with blocking this grain deal. Its very worth and important for whole world its not even related to anything military. I sometimes feel like Russia wants people to not focus on their unsuccessful operation in Ukraine. Food inflation is the evil mother of all evolution. Russia is directly causing food inflation for no reason whatsoever. It causes millions of people in the world to suffer. Someone should convince Putinists that this is far more important for whole world than their weird war.

Everything has a cause but we don't know what the real cause is. If you want to know why, you can read the news by following the link that Marvell1 mentioned above or what pooya87 was talking about. You will have your answer, and if you believe it to be true, then Putin was not wrong in making that decision. Of course, this news may or may not be true, and like I said, we all don't know the truth behind it, so believe it or not it's up to you.

By the way, the war is still going on and there is no final outcome yet, so I will disagree when you say that Russia is failing with their special military operation.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: DrBeer on July 29, 2023, 07:41:33 AM

I looked up the information you are referring to and I think you have a point and that could be the reason why President Putin canceled the grain deal. And instead, he announced that Russia would provide free grain to Africa before the Russia-Africa summit. He said Russia will provide free 25-30 thousand tons of grain to Africa including shipping. With this news it confirms your previous arguments are absolutely true and there is no atrocity going on as OP and American fanatics spread.
https://african.business/2023/07/resources/putin-pledges-free-grain-for-africa-ahead-of-russia-africa-summit
https://en.portnews.ru/news/351004/
Always remember that free cheese is only in a mousetrap. Especially if Russia and Putin offer something free. True, at first, Putin may well interest African countries in free grain, which the Russian invaders are now stealing and massively exporting from the occupied territories of Ukraine through the Ukrainian port of Berdyansk, and by cars in the direction of Rostov.
In order to compromise Ukraine as a reliable supplier of grain and other agricultural products, Russia is now heavily bombarding Ukraine's Black Sea ports with cruise missiles, as well as Ukraine's grain supply route along the Danube. Therefore, the devil in Putin's guise cannot have good intentions. African countries need to be seriously wary of rapprochement with the Putin regime: they will give a dollar, take a thousand.
As you said, free cheese is only in mousetrap. Ukraine should also be wary of countries that are supporting them unconditionally. And by your deduction, Ukraine is becoming a pawn of the US and NATO because they are also supplying weapons and many things that Ukraine needs for the war.

How funny, when someone wants to do charity is also suspected, rejected. While liars and dictators are always hailed as messengers of peace. Africa is a huge territory and they also have their own civilizations and developments. Do you think they are stupid enough to not know who they are playing with and what they are doing? Are you looking down on people from Africa?


Tell me you are not confused by such a blatant attempt to confuse 2 different situations ?
1. The military and financial assistance of Western countries, started by the USA and Britain, is not charity. It is a partial fulfillment of obligations fixed in the Budapest Memorandum, which Russia violated.

2. Assistance to countries experiencing food shortages is an international program under the auspices of the United Nations, aimed at helping the population of the country and saving it from starvation. 

Ukraine is a victim of terrorist aggression by Russia. Russia is an aggressor and international terrorist. Russia initiated the sabotage of the grain deal.

The fact that Russia is now at a failed summit (2/3 of the invitees refused to go to the toxic Kremlin underfurrer), Putin is giving out grain and canceling debts is just an attempt to "buy the friendship" of some regimes. Although some participants of the summit understood perfectly well in what format Putin wants to use them and directly refused such "handouts": President Mnangagwa of Zimbabwe refused Russian free grain, he said so directly at the summit in Russia.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: serveria.com on July 29, 2023, 01:41:09 PM
Russia is really making a mistake with blocking this grain deal. Its very worth and important for whole world its not even related to anything military. I sometimes feel like Russia wants people to not focus on their unsuccessful operation in Ukraine. Food inflation is the evil mother of all evolution. Russia is directly causing food inflation for no reason whatsoever. It causes millions of people in the world to suffer. Someone should convince Putinists that this is far more important for whole world than their weird war.

Grain deal would still be active if Ukraine and it's allies would fulfill the conditions from their side. There's no sense in the deal if only one party is following the conditions. Btw, later Russia announced it's giving away a shitload of grain to African countries for free.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: be.open on July 29, 2023, 02:03:03 PM
PS You still didn't indicate which ARRANGEMENTS were violated, which is generally expected by 150% :)
Connecting Rosselkhozbank to SWIFT, unblocking foreign assets and accounts of Russian companies associated with the production and transportation of food and fertilizers, resuming supplies of agricultural machinery and spare parts, as well as restoring the operation of the Togliatti-Odessa ammonia pipeline.

Here is a link (https://www.mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/news/1863194/) to the April statement of the Russian Foreign Ministry on this issue.


You can’t think of anything more ridiculous than presenting as TRUTH a link to RUSSIAN, state PROPAGANDA!  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Remember - the Russian government lies as soon as it opens its mouth or writes a word, this is an axiom!

You also agreed on Putin, on his words that he would never attack fraternal Ukraine, and also respects and supports the integrity of its borders, as proof that nothing is happening in Ukraine, and this is all an "internal conflict", in terms of idiocy it will be on the same level :)
About the fact that Putin promised that there would be no mobilization - do not write, it will mentally hurt future conscripts-consumables in the Russian army, and leads to an understanding that life has passed and passed in vain :)

Although I have a different opinion from yours on many issues, I considered you a fairly adequate person, albeit with some features ...
But over and over again you are trying with all your might to convince me of the opposite, trying to throw out here just a fabulously inadequate alternative reality! What's wrong with your life, explain, I'm just at a loss to guess?! If you are being tortured and coerced - write an answer with more than one dot!  ;D ;D

Well, after a long laugh caused by reading "honest statements from Russia", let's get back to the topic:
As you know, an attempt to gather a new flock of tame dogs around us, in the form of a summit "Terrorists from Russia and Africa", has actually been carried out. more than 2/3 of African countries wiped their feet on Russia and showed that they do not want to touch this toxic heap.
Russia, of course, is now trying to make "big gestures", such as writing off debts to the next "friends for money", but in fact "" girl motorcades ".
And also promises to feed a little, in exchange for friendship, well, at least indicative. True, President of Zimbabwe Emmerson Mnangagwa, in response to the proposal of Russian dictator Vladimir Putin to supply free grain to the country, said that he definitely did not need grain from the Kremlin ghoul.
there is a second problem. If today Russia has really good grain harvests, in 2024 they most likely will not. The reason is quite real - the war will return to the land of the aggressor, and the western and, importantly, the southern regions, having assumed responsibility for previously committed crimes, will simply stop any activity due to the conduct of hostilities. It will be interesting to see what the next summit will look like, and what the leader of terrorist Russia will promise to those 1-2 guests :)
If you think that any agreements with Russia are worthless and you can ignore the interests of Russia, which are also aimed at ensuring food security in the world - why are you surprised that Russia has suspended its participation in the grain deal? Take grain out of Ukraine without Russian security guarantees, if you can.

Russia has significantly increased grain exports in 2023 despite Western sanctions. The increase in grain exports fully compensates for the drop in grain exports from Ukraine as a result of the suspension of the grain deal.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Gozie51 on July 29, 2023, 03:05:47 PM
Russia is really making a mistake with blocking this grain deal. Its very worth and important for whole world its not even related to anything military. I sometimes feel like Russia wants people to not focus on their unsuccessful operation in Ukraine. Food inflation is the evil mother of all evolution. Russia is directly causing food inflation for no reason whatsoever. It causes millions of people in the world to suffer. Someone should convince Putinists that this is far more important for whole world than their weird war.

You should understand that it will not be Putin's concern if the whole world suffer from food insecurity, inflation or not because that are under sanction and will want every other person to feel the negative impact. Blocking the grain deal is a sign for that. The effect of the Russian war has kept food prices high especially grain products. Grain is essential for the human feeding because large number of human consumption is from grain and they are all inflated now from bread, whiskey, beer, animal food, semolina, vodka, oats, flour.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on July 29, 2023, 03:14:21 PM

If you think that any agreements with Russia are worthless and you can ignore the interests of Russia, which are also aimed at ensuring food security in the world - why are you surprised that Russia has suspended its participation in the grain deal? Take grain out of Ukraine without Russian security guarantees, if you can.

Russia has significantly increased grain exports in 2023 despite Western sanctions. The increase in grain exports fully compensates for the drop in grain exports from Ukraine as a result of the suspension of the grain deal.
We have already discussed the topic that Ukraine did not violate any terms of the grain deal with Russia, since Ukraine did not have any deals with Russia on this matter. Ukraine has concluded an agreement on the conditions for the export of its agricultural products from its ports in the Black Sea only with the UN and Turkey. But why is Russia now intensively bombing and firing rockets precisely at the ports of Ukraine and destroying the grain located there? The Putin regime is deliberately doing everything possible to keep Ukrainian grain out of the world market.

At the same time, will Russia distribute grain stolen in Ukraine to African countries for free? The Russian people (I emphasize - the people) are now trying to destroy the neighboring state of Ukraine and kill as many Ukrainians as possible. In my opinion, there is nothing to be proud of here.

We will see what the African countries will say about this. At the summit in St. Petersburg recently, they already made clear to Putin their attitude to what is happening.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: be.open on July 29, 2023, 04:01:25 PM

If you think that any agreements with Russia are worthless and you can ignore the interests of Russia, which are also aimed at ensuring food security in the world - why are you surprised that Russia has suspended its participation in the grain deal? Take grain out of Ukraine without Russian security guarantees, if you can.

Russia has significantly increased grain exports in 2023 despite Western sanctions. The increase in grain exports fully compensates for the drop in grain exports from Ukraine as a result of the suspension of the grain deal.
We have already discussed the topic that Ukraine did not violate any terms of the grain deal with Russia, since Ukraine did not have any deals with Russia on this matter. Ukraine has concluded an agreement on the conditions for the export of its agricultural products from its ports in the Black Sea only with the UN and Turkey. But why is Russia now intensively bombing and firing rockets precisely at the ports of Ukraine and destroying the grain located there? The Putin regime is deliberately doing everything possible to keep Ukrainian grain out of the world market.

At the same time, will Russia distribute grain stolen in Ukraine to African countries for free? The Russian people (I emphasize - the people) are now trying to destroy the neighboring state of Ukraine and kill as many Ukrainians as possible. In my opinion, there is nothing to be proud of here.

We will see what the African countries will say about this. At the summit in St. Petersburg recently, they already made clear to Putin their attitude to what is happening.
Since Ukraine has not entered into any agreements with Russia, then what claims can you have against Russia? In this case, Russia is acting quite consistently, waiting for the next expiration of the grain deal and did not renew it, because its interests in this deal were ignored. After the withdrawal of security guarantees, traffic in the Black Sea ports of Ukraine dropped to zero and Russia began to launch missile attacks on port infrastructure without risking damaging any cargo ship flying the flag of a third country. Having destroyed the port infrastructure, Russia deprived Ukraine of a significant part of the foreign exchange earnings from the sale of grain, thereby bringing the successful completion of the entire special operation in Ukraine. For Russia, this is a matter of principle, it cannot afford to be defeated and acts according to the circumstances, approaching its goal. Russia just needs a neutral non-bloc status from Ukraine, and here you are playing out a whole tragedy with dramatic hand-wringing. It is Ukraine that wants to fight, not Russia.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on July 29, 2023, 05:37:53 PM

If you think that any agreements with Russia are worthless and you can ignore the interests of Russia, which are also aimed at ensuring food security in the world - why are you surprised that Russia has suspended its participation in the grain deal? Take grain out of Ukraine without Russian security guarantees, if you can.

Russia has significantly increased grain exports in 2023 despite Western sanctions. The increase in grain exports fully compensates for the drop in grain exports from Ukraine as a result of the suspension of the grain deal.
We have already discussed the topic that Ukraine did not violate any terms of the grain deal with Russia, since Ukraine did not have any deals with Russia on this matter. Ukraine has concluded an agreement on the conditions for the export of its agricultural products from its ports in the Black Sea only with the UN and Turkey. But why is Russia now intensively bombing and firing rockets precisely at the ports of Ukraine and destroying the grain located there? The Putin regime is deliberately doing everything possible to keep Ukrainian grain out of the world market.

At the same time, will Russia distribute grain stolen in Ukraine to African countries for free? The Russian people (I emphasize - the people) are now trying to destroy the neighboring state of Ukraine and kill as many Ukrainians as possible. In my opinion, there is nothing to be proud of here.

We will see what the African countries will say about this. At the summit in St. Petersburg recently, they already made clear to Putin their attitude to what is happening.
Since Ukraine has not entered into any agreements with Russia, then what claims can you have against Russia? In this case, Russia is acting quite consistently, waiting for the next expiration of the grain deal and did not renew it, because its interests in this deal were ignored. After the withdrawal of security guarantees, traffic in the Black Sea ports of Ukraine dropped to zero and Russia began to launch missile attacks on port infrastructure without risking damaging any cargo ship flying the flag of a third country. Having destroyed the port infrastructure, Russia deprived Ukraine of a significant part of the foreign exchange earnings from the sale of grain, thereby bringing the successful completion of the entire special operation in Ukraine. For Russia, this is a matter of principle, it cannot afford to be defeated and acts according to the circumstances, approaching its goal. Russia just needs a neutral non-bloc status from Ukraine, and here you are playing out a whole tragedy with dramatic hand-wringing. It is Ukraine that wants to fight, not Russia.
It is not for you Russians to tell Ukraine what to do and what defense alliances of states to join. Do not interfere in the affairs of another sovereign state and you will not have problems in the future. Ukraine has already trusted Russia by signing the Budapest Memorandum with it, according to which Russia was one of the states that guaranteed Ukraine security and not an attack. At the same time, Russia received from Ukraine its third-in-the-world nuclear potential and missiles, with which Russia is now shelling Ukraine. Therefore, Russia should not teach other countries how to fulfill the terms of the agreements concluded. Can I also recall how Putin and other top officials assured the world community at the beginning of 2022 that they were not going to attack Ukraine, but were simply holding very long military exercises near its borders?

Ukraine wants to fight, not Russia? Again lies and twisted facts. Ukraine is only defending itself from direct Russian military aggression. Last February, an estimated 180,000-strong Russian army invaded Ukraine, using the full power of its armored forces. Almost all of them have already been killed in Ukraine or have become disabled. As of April, there were still approximately 369,000 Russian occupiers and about 5,900 pieces of heavy weapons on Ukrainian territory. If Russia does not want to fight, it is enough for it to withdraw its troops and equipment from the territory of Ukraine. The Ukrainians have no other choice but to defend their country and their territory from Russian aggression. Many Russians have already realized that they have lost this war.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: be.open on July 29, 2023, 06:01:59 PM
It is not for you Russians to tell Ukraine what to do and what defense alliances of states to join. Do not interfere in the affairs of another sovereign state and you will not have problems in the future. Ukraine has already trusted Russia by signing the Budapest Memorandum with it, according to which Russia was one of the states that guaranteed Ukraine security and not an attack. At the same time, Russia received from Ukraine its third-in-the-world nuclear potential and missiles, with which Russia is now shelling Ukraine. Therefore, Russia should not teach other countries how to fulfill the terms of the agreements concluded. Can I also recall how Putin and other top officials assured the world community at the beginning of 2022 that they were not going to attack Ukraine, but were simply holding very long military exercises near its borders?

Ukraine wants to fight, not Russia? Again lies and twisted facts. Ukraine is only defending itself from direct Russian military aggression. Last February, an estimated 180,000-strong Russian army invaded Ukraine, using the full power of its armored forces. Almost all of them have already been killed in Ukraine or have become disabled. As of April, there were still approximately 369,000 Russian occupiers and about 5,900 pieces of heavy weapons on Ukrainian territory. If Russia does not want to fight, it is enough for it to withdraw its troops and equipment from the territory of Ukraine. The Ukrainians have no other choice but to defend their country and their territory from Russian aggression. Many Russians have already realized that they have lost this war.
I understand your point of view, and I would even probably agree with it if Ukraine, after the collapse of the USSR, in search of its national self-identity, had not stepped onto the slippery slope of "being anti-Russia." As long as Ukraine was lightly militarized, this posed no particular danger. But when a coup d'état took place in Ukraine in 2014, anti-Russian sentiment in Ukraine increased dramatically and Ukraine began to pose an existential threat to Russia. Therefore, Ukraine will be demilitarized and forced to secure a neutral non-bloc status. This is the decision of Russia, Ukraine has the right to resist the pressure of external will.

Ukraine will still have to negotiate with Russia, one way or another. It is likely that a third party will be involved in the contract as a guarantor. The only question is what exactly will be the subject of the contract. Don't be fooled - Ukraine cannot defeat Russia, the forces are too unequal. Ukraine is now fighting not to win, but to negotiate a better peace treaty.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: serveria.com on July 29, 2023, 07:53:13 PM

If you think that any agreements with Russia are worthless and you can ignore the interests of Russia, which are also aimed at ensuring food security in the world - why are you surprised that Russia has suspended its participation in the grain deal? Take grain out of Ukraine without Russian security guarantees, if you can.

Russia has significantly increased grain exports in 2023 despite Western sanctions. The increase in grain exports fully compensates for the drop in grain exports from Ukraine as a result of the suspension of the grain deal.
We have already discussed the topic that Ukraine did not violate any terms of the grain deal with Russia, since Ukraine did not have any deals with Russia on this matter. Ukraine has concluded an agreement on the conditions for the export of its agricultural products from its ports in the Black Sea only with the UN and Turkey. But why is Russia now intensively bombing and firing rockets precisely at the ports of Ukraine and destroying the grain located there? The Putin regime is deliberately doing everything possible to keep Ukrainian grain out of the world market.

At the same time, will Russia distribute grain stolen in Ukraine to African countries for free? The Russian people (I emphasize - the people) are now trying to destroy the neighboring state of Ukraine and kill as many Ukrainians as possible. In my opinion, there is nothing to be proud of here.

We will see what the African countries will say about this. At the summit in St. Petersburg recently, they already made clear to Putin their attitude to what is happening.

You seem to just can't stop spreading lies. Ukraine did sign the agreement with Russia no matter you admit it or not. It can be called a tri-party or mirror agreement but it had been signed and there are certain obligations for all parties involved. If you don't understand this simple fact you have a room temperature IQ.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on July 30, 2023, 04:39:25 AM

If you think that any agreements with Russia are worthless and you can ignore the interests of Russia, which are also aimed at ensuring food security in the world - why are you surprised that Russia has suspended its participation in the grain deal? Take grain out of Ukraine without Russian security guarantees, if you can.

Russia has significantly increased grain exports in 2023 despite Western sanctions. The increase in grain exports fully compensates for the drop in grain exports from Ukraine as a result of the suspension of the grain deal.
We have already discussed the topic that Ukraine did not violate any terms of the grain deal with Russia, since Ukraine did not have any deals with Russia on this matter. Ukraine has concluded an agreement on the conditions for the export of its agricultural products from its ports in the Black Sea only with the UN and Turkey. But why is Russia now intensively bombing and firing rockets precisely at the ports of Ukraine and destroying the grain located there? The Putin regime is deliberately doing everything possible to keep Ukrainian grain out of the world market.

At the same time, will Russia distribute grain stolen in Ukraine to African countries for free? The Russian people (I emphasize - the people) are now trying to destroy the neighboring state of Ukraine and kill as many Ukrainians as possible. In my opinion, there is nothing to be proud of here.

We will see what the African countries will say about this. At the summit in St. Petersburg recently, they already made clear to Putin their attitude to what is happening.

You seem to just can't stop spreading lies. Ukraine did sign the agreement with Russia no matter you admit it or not. It can be called a tri-party or mirror agreement but it had been signed and there are certain obligations for all parties involved. If you don't understand this simple fact you have a room temperature IQ.
At number 48 in this thread, I indicated 14 links to various articles, which indicate that Ukraine signed a grain agreement only with the UN and Turkey and did not sign any agreements with Russia on this matter. Therefore, I will not repeat myself. If you have an opposite opinion, confirm what you said with the appropriate links.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: serveria.com on July 30, 2023, 07:37:20 AM

If you think that any agreements with Russia are worthless and you can ignore the interests of Russia, which are also aimed at ensuring food security in the world - why are you surprised that Russia has suspended its participation in the grain deal? Take grain out of Ukraine without Russian security guarantees, if you can.

Russia has significantly increased grain exports in 2023 despite Western sanctions. The increase in grain exports fully compensates for the drop in grain exports from Ukraine as a result of the suspension of the grain deal.
We have already discussed the topic that Ukraine did not violate any terms of the grain deal with Russia, since Ukraine did not have any deals with Russia on this matter. Ukraine has concluded an agreement on the conditions for the export of its agricultural products from its ports in the Black Sea only with the UN and Turkey. But why is Russia now intensively bombing and firing rockets precisely at the ports of Ukraine and destroying the grain located there? The Putin regime is deliberately doing everything possible to keep Ukrainian grain out of the world market.

At the same time, will Russia distribute grain stolen in Ukraine to African countries for free? The Russian people (I emphasize - the people) are now trying to destroy the neighboring state of Ukraine and kill as many Ukrainians as possible. In my opinion, there is nothing to be proud of here.

We will see what the African countries will say about this. At the summit in St. Petersburg recently, they already made clear to Putin their attitude to what is happening.

You seem to just can't stop spreading lies. Ukraine did sign the agreement with Russia no matter you admit it or not. It can be called a tri-party or mirror agreement but it had been signed and there are certain obligations for all parties involved. If you don't understand this simple fact you have a room temperature IQ.
At number 48 in this thread, I indicated 14 links to various articles, which indicate that Ukraine signed a grain agreement only with the UN and Turkey and did not sign any agreements with Russia on this matter. Therefore, I will not repeat myself. If you have an opposite opinion, confirm what you said with the appropriate links.

I will confirm it with your own sources. Let's take strana.today and run a google translation on the article you provided:

Quote
Before that, Mikhail Podolyak, adviser to the head of the Office of the President of Ukraine, said that there would be no direct agreement between Russia and Ukraine to unblock grain exports. Ukraine has signed an agreement on grain with Turkey and the UN, and Russia will also sign a mirror document with them.

and the quote from Wikipedia:

Quote
On July 22, 2022, the signing ceremony took place at Dolmabahçe Palace in Istanbul, Turkey. The ceremony marks the first major deal between the warring sides since the beginning of the Russian invasion in February. However, it was not a direct agreement between Russia and Ukraine. Instead, Ukraine signed an agreement with Turkey and the UN, and Russia signed a separate "mirror" agreement with Turkey and the UN.

I hope you understand what "mirror" agreement means?  ::) 


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on July 30, 2023, 08:42:27 AM

If you think that any agreements with Russia are worthless and you can ignore the interests of Russia, which are also aimed at ensuring food security in the world - why are you surprised that Russia has suspended its participation in the grain deal? Take grain out of Ukraine without Russian security guarantees, if you can.

Russia has significantly increased grain exports in 2023 despite Western sanctions. The increase in grain exports fully compensates for the drop in grain exports from Ukraine as a result of the suspension of the grain deal.
We have already discussed the topic that Ukraine did not violate any terms of the grain deal with Russia, since Ukraine did not have any deals with Russia on this matter. Ukraine has concluded an agreement on the conditions for the export of its agricultural products from its ports in the Black Sea only with the UN and Turkey. But why is Russia now intensively bombing and firing rockets precisely at the ports of Ukraine and destroying the grain located there? The Putin regime is deliberately doing everything possible to keep Ukrainian grain out of the world market.

At the same time, will Russia distribute grain stolen in Ukraine to African countries for free? The Russian people (I emphasize - the people) are now trying to destroy the neighboring state of Ukraine and kill as many Ukrainians as possible. In my opinion, there is nothing to be proud of here.

We will see what the African countries will say about this. At the summit in St. Petersburg recently, they already made clear to Putin their attitude to what is happening.

You seem to just can't stop spreading lies. Ukraine did sign the agreement with Russia no matter you admit it or not. It can be called a tri-party or mirror agreement but it had been signed and there are certain obligations for all parties involved. If you don't understand this simple fact you have a room temperature IQ.
At number 48 in this thread, I indicated 14 links to various articles, which indicate that Ukraine signed a grain agreement only with the UN and Turkey and did not sign any agreements with Russia on this matter. Therefore, I will not repeat myself. If you have an opposite opinion, confirm what you said with the appropriate links.

I will confirm it with your own sources. Let's take strana.today and run a google translation on the article you provided:

Quote
Before that, Mikhail Podolyak, adviser to the head of the Office of the President of Ukraine, said that there would be no direct agreement between Russia and Ukraine to unblock grain exports. Ukraine has signed an agreement on grain with Turkey and the UN, and Russia will also sign a mirror document with them.

and the quote from Wikipedia:

Quote
On July 22, 2022, the signing ceremony took place at Dolmabahçe Palace in Istanbul, Turkey. The ceremony marks the first major deal between the warring sides since the beginning of the Russian invasion in February. However, it was not a direct agreement between Russia and Ukraine. Instead, Ukraine signed an agreement with Turkey and the UN, and Russia signed a separate "mirror" agreement with Turkey and the UN.

I hope you understand what "mirror" agreement means?  ::) 
Quite right. Ukraine signed a grain corridor agreement with the UN and Turkey, and Russia signed an agreement with the UN and Turkey, and therefore there were no agreements between Ukraine and Russia. To be convinced of this, it is enough to analyze the answer to the question: what conditions of the grain agreement did Ukraine violate in relation to Russia? After all, Russia claims that the signed agreements regarding Russia itself were not implemented, right?


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: stompix on July 30, 2023, 02:16:38 PM
PS You still didn't indicate which ARRANGEMENTS were violated, which is generally expected by 150% :)
Connecting Rosselkhozbank to SWIFT, unblocking foreign assets and accounts of Russian companies associated with the production and transportation of food and fertilizers, resuming supplies of agricultural machinery and spare parts, as well as restoring the operation of the Togliatti-Odessa ammonia pipeline..

But, but, but, I was told by eggxperts like you and pooya87 that

- The rest of the world doesn't need SWIFT as it's just garbage
- You already get paid in rubles so what would change as you obviously have accepted payments in rubles for gas
- Russia can produce everything for itself so it doesn't need Western machines, spare parts, planes, cars,

It might be possible that all were lies and you even need to import sarcasm cause I have like extra two tons around here ready to be shipped


Now unrelated to the above delusional case, there won't be any problem with food, well, at least not in Europe!
I've just landed home, opened a few hours ago the local forums , whatapp communities, to do a little research for my parents and...scheisse

6.9 tons/ha , HLM 81 (this is the maximum we get in our region), and the price on-site is 150-175 euros (harvested and dumped in the silo!)
We're looking at simply record crop, not sore about corn but wheat, sunflower, rapeseed and beets are through the roof, pretty sure next year we're going to have way lower production as every farmer thinks of moving to some other crops, wheat and corn and barley simply are not helping.

With meat let's see if the exports keep going, China is gobbling pork meat as crazy there is almost nobody in the whole region with the capacity to spare, the 5 million mt will be broken without a sweat, 57carcass is now 2.50E from 1.95 before covid broke in 2019, so around 25%.
But if they stop their imports it's going to go below 2 euros again!

For Africa? Well, that's a different story! One about picking the wrong side!


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: be.open on July 30, 2023, 03:21:53 PM
PS You still didn't indicate which ARRANGEMENTS were violated, which is generally expected by 150% :)
Connecting Rosselkhozbank to SWIFT, unblocking foreign assets and accounts of Russian companies associated with the production and transportation of food and fertilizers, resuming supplies of agricultural machinery and spare parts, as well as restoring the operation of the Togliatti-Odessa ammonia pipeline..

But, but, but, I was told by eggxperts like you and pooya87 that

- The rest of the world doesn't need SWIFT as it's just garbage
- You already get paid in rubles so what would change as you obviously have accepted payments in rubles for gas
- Russia can produce everything for itself so it doesn't need Western machines, spare parts, planes, cars,

It might be possible that all were lies and you even need to import sarcasm cause I have like extra two tons around here ready to be shipped


Now unrelated to the above delusional case, there won't be any problem with food, well, at least not in Europe!
I've just landed home, opened a few hours ago the local forums , whatapp communities, to do a little research for my parents and...scheisse

6.9 tons/ha , HLM 81 (this is the maximum we get in our region), and the price on-site is 150-175 euros (harvested and dumped in the silo!)
We're looking at simply record crop, not sore about corn but wheat, sunflower, rapeseed and beets are through the roof, pretty sure next year we're going to have way lower production as every farmer thinks of moving to some other crops, wheat and corn and barley simply are not helping.

With meat let's see if the exports keep going, China is gobbling pork meat as crazy there is almost nobody in the whole region with the capacity to spare, the 5 million mt will be broken without a sweat, 57carcass is now 2.50E from 1.95 before covid broke in 2019, so around 25%.
But if they stop their imports it's going to go below 2 euros again!

For Africa? Well, that's a different story! One about picking the wrong side!

Yes, everything is fine in Russia without SWIFT, and with spare parts for agricultural machinery - and this is clearly seen in the sharp increase in wheat exports from Russia this year. The very concept of a deal means that it is mutually beneficial for all the parties involved, while the grain deal lasted almost a year and Russia did not receive any benefits from it. Therefore, the deal was not extended. If the UN manages to really interest Russia in resuming the deal, it will resume. Russia listed specifically what it could be interested in. That's exactly how it works.

You can keep your sarcasm to yourself. Although you probably already have a stomach ulcer from this level of sarcasm, but I don’t need it.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: stompix on July 30, 2023, 03:30:17 PM
Yes, everything is fine in Russia without SWIFT, and with spare parts for agricultural machinery - and this is clearly seen in the sharp increase in wheat exports from Russia this year. The very concept of a deal means that it is mutually beneficial for all the parties involved, while the grain deal lasted almost a year and Russia did not receive any benefits from it. Therefore, the deal was not extended. If the UN manages to really interest Russia in resuming the deal, it will resume. Russia listed specifically what it could be interested in. That's exactly how it works.

Can you please explain why, if sanctions are beneficial for Russia and bad for the EU, for god's sake, why would Russia ask to have them lifted at all? Since obviously it won't be mutual to all!

The EU won't starve as it has done last winter eating frozen hamsters in their frozen Como villa while Russia will just import things it can produce itself thus damaging their economy(.............oh, rolf, I need like 5000 breaths after laughing my ass out typing this), so again, why in all gods in the universe would they want that?


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: be.open on July 30, 2023, 04:33:52 PM
Yes, everything is fine in Russia without SWIFT, and with spare parts for agricultural machinery - and this is clearly seen in the sharp increase in wheat exports from Russia this year. The very concept of a deal means that it is mutually beneficial for all the parties involved, while the grain deal lasted almost a year and Russia did not receive any benefits from it. Therefore, the deal was not extended. If the UN manages to really interest Russia in resuming the deal, it will resume. Russia listed specifically what it could be interested in. That's exactly how it works.

Can you please explain why, if sanctions are beneficial for Russia and bad for the EU, for god's sake, why would Russia ask to have them lifted at all? Since obviously it won't be mutual to all!

The EU won't starve as it has done last winter eating frozen hamsters in their frozen Como villa while Russia will just import things it can produce itself thus damaging their economy(.............oh, rolf, I need like 5000 breaths after laughing my ass out typing this), so again, why in all gods in the universe would they want that?
Western sanctions are very useful for Russia in the long term and strategically and cause local discomfort in the short term and tactically.

In the case of the grain deal, Russia does not ask for anything, it lists its terms on which the grain deal can be renewed. It seems that Ukraine needs it more than Russia.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: DrBeer on July 30, 2023, 05:06:03 PM
PS You still didn't indicate which ARRANGEMENTS were violated, which is generally expected by 150% :)
Connecting Rosselkhozbank to SWIFT, unblocking foreign assets and accounts of Russian companies associated with the production and transportation of food and fertilizers, resuming supplies of agricultural machinery and spare parts, as well as restoring the operation of the Togliatti-Odessa ammonia pipeline.

Here is a link (https://www.mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/news/1863194/) to the April statement of the Russian Foreign Ministry on this issue.

In a way, I adore you.)  As an opponent, of course :)
An opponent who "buries" himself with his answers, and this is not the first time !

Let's analyze your claims and attempts to justify another act of terrorism of Russia.
Chronology of actions:
1. Ukraine strikes a military facility built by the occupant country on the territory of Ukraine and designed to deliver military cargo.
2. Russia officially declares its withdrawal from the grain deal and officially declares that now, after the strike on the so-called "Crimean Bridge" (illegally built object, in violation of international agreements, rules, ...), ANY ships going to/from ports (emphasis on the phrase "from Ukrainian ports") of Ukraine will be legitimate targets for destruction, and of course those that ensure the grain deal.
3. You state that the reason is allegedly some violations of some agreements, but you do not cite them. I ask you to specify what was violated by Ukraine?
4. You cite "facts" that took place much earlier than the date of Russia's refusal from the grain deal, and absolutely do not correspond to the OFFICIAL STATEMENT of the Kremlin ! :)
5. You are also forgetting a couple of facts:
- There are no deals between Ukraine and Russia. There are commitments between Ukraine and the UN with Turkey's support.
- Russia has violated many treaties, obligations and conventions since 2014. For which it has received sanctions and the Kremlin Fuhrer has been prosecuted.

I would love to read your next reply :)


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: serveria.com on July 30, 2023, 05:56:43 PM

If you think that any agreements with Russia are worthless and you can ignore the interests of Russia, which are also aimed at ensuring food security in the world - why are you surprised that Russia has suspended its participation in the grain deal? Take grain out of Ukraine without Russian security guarantees, if you can.

Russia has significantly increased grain exports in 2023 despite Western sanctions. The increase in grain exports fully compensates for the drop in grain exports from Ukraine as a result of the suspension of the grain deal.
We have already discussed the topic that Ukraine did not violate any terms of the grain deal with Russia, since Ukraine did not have any deals with Russia on this matter. Ukraine has concluded an agreement on the conditions for the export of its agricultural products from its ports in the Black Sea only with the UN and Turkey. But why is Russia now intensively bombing and firing rockets precisely at the ports of Ukraine and destroying the grain located there? The Putin regime is deliberately doing everything possible to keep Ukrainian grain out of the world market.

At the same time, will Russia distribute grain stolen in Ukraine to African countries for free? The Russian people (I emphasize - the people) are now trying to destroy the neighboring state of Ukraine and kill as many Ukrainians as possible. In my opinion, there is nothing to be proud of here.

We will see what the African countries will say about this. At the summit in St. Petersburg recently, they already made clear to Putin their attitude to what is happening.

You seem to just can't stop spreading lies. Ukraine did sign the agreement with Russia no matter you admit it or not. It can be called a tri-party or mirror agreement but it had been signed and there are certain obligations for all parties involved. If you don't understand this simple fact you have a room temperature IQ.
At number 48 in this thread, I indicated 14 links to various articles, which indicate that Ukraine signed a grain agreement only with the UN and Turkey and did not sign any agreements with Russia on this matter. Therefore, I will not repeat myself. If you have an opposite opinion, confirm what you said with the appropriate links.

I will confirm it with your own sources. Let's take strana.today and run a google translation on the article you provided:

Quote
Before that, Mikhail Podolyak, adviser to the head of the Office of the President of Ukraine, said that there would be no direct agreement between Russia and Ukraine to unblock grain exports. Ukraine has signed an agreement on grain with Turkey and the UN, and Russia will also sign a mirror document with them.

and the quote from Wikipedia:

Quote
On July 22, 2022, the signing ceremony took place at Dolmabahçe Palace in Istanbul, Turkey. The ceremony marks the first major deal between the warring sides since the beginning of the Russian invasion in February. However, it was not a direct agreement between Russia and Ukraine. Instead, Ukraine signed an agreement with Turkey and the UN, and Russia signed a separate "mirror" agreement with Turkey and the UN.

I hope you understand what "mirror" agreement means?  ::) 
Quite right. Ukraine signed a grain corridor agreement with the UN and Turkey, and Russia signed an agreement with the UN and Turkey, and therefore there were no agreements between Ukraine and Russia. To be convinced of this, it is enough to analyze the answer to the question: what conditions of the grain agreement did Ukraine violate in relation to Russia? After all, Russia claims that the signed agreements regarding Russia itself were not implemented, right?

Quote from: DrBeer
- There are no deals between Ukraine and Russia. There are commitments between Ukraine and the UN with Turkey's support.

You guys are funny (both you and DrBeer). Both of you are trying to prove that Ukraine cannot be held liable for breaking the conditions of the agreement, because in fact they didn't sign any agreements with Russia. Pretty convenient, right?

I guess be.open guy has answered your question below. Could you please answer mine? What do you think a "mirror" agreement means?

I will help you by giving a hint: there are 3 parties: A, B and C. A signs an agreement with an intermediary B and C also signs an agreement (exactly the same, hence mirror) with B. Which means that A or C break some clause in their contract with B, this clause gets broken automatically for A and C. A and C are bound legally anyway, even it's through B. Comprende?



Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: be.open on July 30, 2023, 06:21:31 PM
PS You still didn't indicate which ARRANGEMENTS were violated, which is generally expected by 150% :)
Connecting Rosselkhozbank to SWIFT, unblocking foreign assets and accounts of Russian companies associated with the production and transportation of food and fertilizers, resuming supplies of agricultural machinery and spare parts, as well as restoring the operation of the Togliatti-Odessa ammonia pipeline.

Here is a link (https://www.mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/news/1863194/) to the April statement of the Russian Foreign Ministry on this issue.

In a way, I adore you.)  As an opponent, of course :)
An opponent who "buries" himself with his answers, and this is not the first time !

Let's analyze your claims and attempts to justify another act of terrorism of Russia.
Chronology of actions:
1. Ukraine strikes a military facility built by the occupant country on the territory of Ukraine and designed to deliver military cargo.
2. Russia officially declares its withdrawal from the grain deal and officially declares that now, after the strike on the so-called "Crimean Bridge" (illegally built object, in violation of international agreements, rules, ...), ANY ships going to/from ports (emphasis on the phrase "from Ukrainian ports") of Ukraine will be legitimate targets for destruction, and of course those that ensure the grain deal.
3. You state that the reason is allegedly some violations of some agreements, but you do not cite them. I ask you to specify what was violated by Ukraine?
4. You cite "facts" that took place much earlier than the date of Russia's refusal from the grain deal, and absolutely do not correspond to the OFFICIAL STATEMENT of the Kremlin ! :)
5. You are also forgetting a couple of facts:
- There are no deals between Ukraine and Russia. There are commitments between Ukraine and the UN with Turkey's support.
- Russia has violated many treaties, obligations and conventions since 2014. For which it has received sanctions and the Kremlin Fuhrer has been prosecuted.

I would love to read your next reply :)
Here you like to turn everything upside down, confuse causes and effects and find a relationship even where there is none. The grain deal did not end because Ukraine attacked the Crimean bridge. And because the grain deal was not open-ended, the date of its completion approached and Russia did not want to renew it - because for the year of the grain deal and several times of its extension, it did not receive any benefit from it. The validity period has expired, and now there is no grain deal. I do not think that Russia has any claims against Ukraine in this regard, rather, there are claims against the UN for its long inaction in the issue of ensuring Russia's interests within the framework of the grain deal.

Empty voice calls for the renewal of the grain deal will not have any impact, even if they come from the Pope. Russia is quite consistent in protecting its national interests and does something if it is beneficial for it. The grain deal is unprofitable for Russia, so it has been suspended. If someone wants to resume the grain deal, he should not ask Russia about it, but give Russia what it wants, I have given a wish list for resuming the deal a little higher.

I'm tired of repeating the same thing over and over again. It seems to me that there is no point in discussing the resumption of the grain deal, especially since Ukraine seems to have some problems with the infrastructure in the Black Sea ports. Let Ukraine export grain by land or across the Danube, there is no more grain deal.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: tygeade on July 31, 2023, 04:22:04 AM
Nations need to figure out a way to feed themselves, you can't rely on another nation to feed you and then be upset when something goes wrong. You were the one who relied on a different nation to feed your citizens, so when that nation does whatever they want, you were not ready for it.

this is the way which should be accepted by every nation like if one nation is deprived of anything so they should worked for that to establish that thing in own country. Begging in front of other countries for little things will make you slaves so I think food and agriculture is that thing which we can grow in our own country.

If we focus to establish new ways to fulfil these needs then we should not be dependent on other countries. Dependency comes when we are not able to fulfil the requirements of citizens and are in hopes that other country will give these facilities to us so in this case we cannot become and independent nation ever.
Begging is a natural part of the world according to what you say. Because not every nation could have the same resources and some nations are just forced to live off whatever they have. Of course focus on agriculture a lot more, but what about the deserted areas in the African continent? That's the biggest example, we are talking about a huge part of the world that has no farming area, what are they going to do? Hell they do not even have clean water let alone anything else.

This is why I believe that we should not be doing anything that would challenge the whole begging part on your end. We should help the nations that need our help as much as we can, they should do whatever they can too of course, but that doesn't mean we should stop.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Ozero on July 31, 2023, 06:47:09 PM

Western sanctions are very useful for Russia in the long term and strategically and cause local discomfort in the short term and tactically.

In the case of the grain deal, Russia does not ask for anything, it lists its terms on which the grain deal can be renewed. It seems that Ukraine needs it more than Russia.
If Western sanctions are very beneficial for Russia in the long term, then Russia and the Russian people should just wait until that long term comes and just enjoy the sanctions. At the same time, Russia, it turns out, prevents the early onset of the beneficial effect of the sanctions by unilaterally withdrawing from the grain agreement and demanding that some of the imposed sanctions be lifted for its renewal, such as connecting its Russian Agricultural Bank to SWIFT. Therefore, there are obvious contradictions between the declared usefulness of sanctions in the long term and Russia's actions.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: be.open on July 31, 2023, 07:43:54 PM

Western sanctions are very useful for Russia in the long term and strategically and cause local discomfort in the short term and tactically.

In the case of the grain deal, Russia does not ask for anything, it lists its terms on which the grain deal can be renewed. It seems that Ukraine needs it more than Russia.
If Western sanctions are very beneficial for Russia in the long term, then Russia and the Russian people should just wait until that long term comes and just enjoy the sanctions. At the same time, Russia, it turns out, prevents the early onset of the beneficial effect of the sanctions by unilaterally withdrawing from the grain agreement and demanding that some of the imposed sanctions be lifted for its renewal, such as connecting its Russian Agricultural Bank to SWIFT. Therefore, there are obvious contradictions between the declared usefulness of sanctions in the long term and Russia's actions.
Ahaha, "unilaterally withdrawing", "demanding"? LOL  ;D

I repeat once again, the grain deal is over because the time has come for it to end, it was not open-ended. Russia refused to extend it, because it considered it unprofitable for itself. It does not demand anything, on the contrary, Russia is under pressure to extend the unfavorable agreement for it. And Russia is ready to meet halfway, it does not respond with a categorical refusal - for this, you just need to satisfy a few of its conditions first. This is a normal practice for building mutually beneficial relationships, if you want to get something, you first need to give something.

ps Russia has good reason to believe that the humanitarian corridor for the export of grain was also used to supply weapons to Ukraine, which is their misuse. Therefore, Ukraine has no one to blame but itself that the grain deal no longer works.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: DrBeer on July 31, 2023, 08:07:21 PM
The use of military force and piracy to achieve political objectives is unacceptable and constitutes a serious violation of international law... the international community must condemn these actions and take measures to stop this type of aggression and blackmail that puts peace at risk and world stability. These actions, as you mention, in addition to having a devastating impact on the world economy and food security, increase the risk of famine in poor countries that depend on agricultural products exported from Ukraine... I think that armed conflict and trade war alone will cause suffering and hardship for all parties involved and the world community as a whole, but when it comes to Russia, I highly doubt they will seek a path to peace, cooperation and stability to ensure food security and well-being for all…
It was Russia's turn to stop exporting grain to Europe, asking for it to be withdrawn and asking for it to be reopened. It was Russia's turn to stop helping Ukraine, NATO and America were ignored, instead they continued to help by sending defense equipment. so it's only natural that it's balanced.

I think if they want to stop Russia from reopening exports, they have to stop helping arms to Ukraine and stop sanctions against Russia after that. Just have a truce and make peace. Of course Russia is willing (as long as Russia is not ordered to withdraw troops). Even if the reason is humanitarian hunger, if arms aid to Ukraine and sanctions against Russia are not stopped. Of course Russia doesn't want that. I as a layman also do not want.

So, his strategy to garner support and to retain friends are to give out FREE grain.... in a time when nobody wants to buy grain from his country.  ::)
All countries reacted, only scapegoating third countries who were starving, while Putin guaranteed the availability of food to African countries smoothly and for free and did not need to use any guarantees.


Well the Terrorist Country and Africa summit is over. What's the bottom line?
1. A lot of speeches about nothing :)
2. The debts of the USSR were written off to some debtors. Here it is necessary to clarify - these debts were given not by Russia, but by all the republics of the USSR. I.e. Russia "generously" wrote off, for the most part, someone else's debts
3. An attempt to "buy" some countries with grain - met with a reasoned refusal - few people want to deal with a toxic international criminal !
4. And .... That's it ! :)

Regarding "it's Russia's turn to stop helping Ukraine" ? Are you serious ? Mass murders, occupation, destruction of hundreds of cities, towns and villages ? Environmental and military terrorist attacks... ? I won't wish that you and your country will be helped like this all your life.....

By the way regarding "help" - if you would read what is the balance of power in the grain market - the cessation of grain supplies to the world market will only bring profit to the first three grain producers USA, EU, Canada :)



Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Ozero on August 01, 2023, 05:22:39 AM

Western sanctions are very useful for Russia in the long term and strategically and cause local discomfort in the short term and tactically.

In the case of the grain deal, Russia does not ask for anything, it lists its terms on which the grain deal can be renewed. It seems that Ukraine needs it more than Russia.
If Western sanctions are very beneficial for Russia in the long term, then Russia and the Russian people should just wait until that long term comes and just enjoy the sanctions. At the same time, Russia, it turns out, prevents the early onset of the beneficial effect of the sanctions by unilaterally withdrawing from the grain agreement and demanding that some of the imposed sanctions be lifted for its renewal, such as connecting its Russian Agricultural Bank to SWIFT. Therefore, there are obvious contradictions between the declared usefulness of sanctions in the long term and Russia's actions.
Ahaha, "unilaterally withdrawing", "demanding"? LOL  ;D

I repeat once again, the grain deal is over because the time has come for it to end, it was not open-ended. Russia refused to extend it, because it considered it unprofitable for itself. It does not demand anything, on the contrary, Russia is under pressure to extend the unfavorable agreement for it. And Russia is ready to meet halfway, it does not respond with a categorical refusal - for this, you just need to satisfy a few of its conditions first. This is a normal practice for building mutually beneficial relationships, if you want to get something, you first need to give something.

ps Russia has good reason to believe that the humanitarian corridor for the export of grain was also used to supply weapons to Ukraine, which is their misuse. Therefore, Ukraine has no one to blame but itself that the grain deal no longer works.
Strictly speaking, what is the essence of the grain agreement for Russia? This is to stop shelling the territory of Ukraine, in particular, its Black Sea ports, to stop attacking civilian ships and, thus, to enable Ukraine to sell its grain on the international market. That is, in fact, the international community demanded from Russia to stop engaging in robbery and piracy against a neighboring state. Therefore, it is not necessary to show the actions of Russia as something that happens within the framework of ordinary civil contracts and the observance of some legitimate interests of Russia.

Yesterday there was information that the Israeli ship Ams1, despite threats from Russia, entered the Ukrainian branch of the Danube. It is the first ship to break the Russian blockade of the Black Sea since Russia's bombardment of the Danube port of Reni on 25 July. Ams1 is followed by Sahin 2 and Yilmaz Kaptan. Origin of these vessels: Israel, Greece and Türkiye/Georgia. The American P8 anti-ship aircraft provides security. It is refueled directly in the skies of Romania. Additional information is provided by the Forte12 RQ-4 reconnaissance drone.

The situation is escalating and soon we will find out whether Russia is ready to fight with the whole world.

https://tsn.ua/ru/groshi/izrailskiy-korabl-pervym-prorval-zernovuyu-blokadu-rossii-i-napravlyaetsya-v-ukrainu-smi-2381521.html


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: DrBeer on August 01, 2023, 05:29:16 AM
PS You still didn't indicate which ARRANGEMENTS were violated, which is generally expected by 150% :)
Connecting Rosselkhozbank to SWIFT, unblocking foreign assets and accounts of Russian companies associated with the production and transportation of food and fertilizers, resuming supplies of agricultural machinery and spare parts, as well as restoring the operation of the Togliatti-Odessa ammonia pipeline.

Here is a link (https://www.mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/news/1863194/) to the April statement of the Russian Foreign Ministry on this issue.

In a way, I adore you.)  As an opponent, of course :)
An opponent who "buries" himself with his answers, and this is not the first time !

Let's analyze your claims and attempts to justify another act of terrorism of Russia.
Chronology of actions:
1. Ukraine strikes a military facility built by the occupant country on the territory of Ukraine and designed to deliver military cargo.
2. Russia officially declares its withdrawal from the grain deal and officially declares that now, after the strike on the so-called "Crimean Bridge" (illegally built object, in violation of international agreements, rules, ...), ANY ships going to/from ports (emphasis on the phrase "from Ukrainian ports") of Ukraine will be legitimate targets for destruction, and of course those that ensure the grain deal.
3. You state that the reason is allegedly some violations of some agreements, but you do not cite them. I ask you to specify what was violated by Ukraine?
4. You cite "facts" that took place much earlier than the date of Russia's refusal from the grain deal, and absolutely do not correspond to the OFFICIAL STATEMENT of the Kremlin ! :)
5. You are also forgetting a couple of facts:
- There are no deals between Ukraine and Russia. There are commitments between Ukraine and the UN with Turkey's support.
- Russia has violated many treaties, obligations and conventions since 2014. For which it has received sanctions and the Kremlin Fuhrer has been prosecuted.

I would love to read your next reply :)
Here you like to turn everything upside down, confuse causes and effects and find a relationship even where there is none. The grain deal did not end because Ukraine attacked the Crimean bridge. And because the grain deal was not open-ended, the date of its completion approached and Russia did not want to renew it - because for the year of the grain deal and several times of its extension, it did not receive any benefit from it. The validity period has expired, and now there is no grain deal. I do not think that Russia has any claims against Ukraine in this regard, rather, there are claims against the UN for its long inaction in the issue of ensuring Russia's interests within the framework of the grain deal.

Empty voice calls for the renewal of the grain deal will not have any impact, even if they come from the Pope. Russia is quite consistent in protecting its national interests and does something if it is beneficial for it. The grain deal is unprofitable for Russia, so it has been suspended. If someone wants to resume the grain deal, he should not ask Russia about it, but give Russia what it wants, I have given a wish list for resuming the deal a little higher.

I'm tired of repeating the same thing over and over again. It seems to me that there is no point in discussing the resumption of the grain deal, especially since Ukraine seems to have some problems with the infrastructure in the Black Sea ports. Let Ukraine export grain by land or across the Danube, there is no more grain deal.


...I have once again listened to your fantasies. You have a vivid imagination, I'll give you that! :)
Will there be any arguments, verifiable arguments? I understand that you tried to deny reality once again, but it looks extremely stupid and pathetic :) You think no one listened to the squeals of the Kremlin's top brass ? You think no one can check dates and times from the hysterics ? You think no one can understand what they are talking about ? :)
Stop this pathetic comedy, everyone can easily check and trace the cause and effect relationship and chronology of events ! Well here are not the inhabitants of Russia, to your regret, here is a different audience - people think, analyze, verify information ... And that's why your pathetic responses look very comical ...
 
Or are you going to start justifying Russia again opposite to their official statements ?  ;D


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: be.open on August 01, 2023, 06:25:45 AM
Strictly speaking, what is the essence of the grain agreement for Russia? This is to stop shelling the territory of Ukraine, in particular, its Black Sea ports, to stop attacking civilian ships and, thus, to enable Ukraine to sell its grain on the international market. That is, in fact, the international community demanded from Russia to stop engaging in robbery and piracy against a neighboring state. Therefore, it is not necessary to show the actions of Russia as something that happens within the framework of ordinary civil contracts and the observance of some legitimate interests of Russia.
Are you seriously? This is the essence of the grain deal not for Russia, but for Ukraine. What is the benefit in this for Russia? Ukraine is a direct competitor of Russia in the grain supply market, why should Russia help its competitor? Russia is now the world leader in wheat exports, and this is largely because it has taken part of the market share from Ukraine. Only business, nothing personal. Try to learn to look at things more broadly, any deal should be mutually beneficial. Russia is constantly trying to be persuaded to gestures of goodwill, and then instead of gratitude, this is perceived as a sign of weakness. Do not do it this way.


Yesterday there was information that the Israeli ship Ams1, despite threats from Russia, entered the Ukrainian branch of the Danube. It is the first ship to break the Russian blockade of the Black Sea since Russia's bombardment of the Danube port of Reni on 25 July. Ams1 is followed by Sahin 2 and Yilmaz Kaptan. Origin of these vessels: Israel, Greece and Türkiye/Georgia. The American P8 anti-ship aircraft provides security. It is refueled directly in the skies of Romania. Additional information is provided by the Forte12 RQ-4 reconnaissance drone.

The situation is escalating and soon we will find out whether Russia is ready to fight with the whole world.

https://tsn.ua/ru/groshi/izrailskiy-korabl-pervym-prorval-zernovuyu-blokadu-rossii-i-napravlyaetsya-v-ukrainu-smi-2381521.html
Ahaha, I recognize the crooked handwriting of Ukrainian propaganda. There is no and never was any blockade for the Danube, transport grain by land and along the Danube as much as you like, the blockade is only for transportation along the Black Sea. The problem with transportation along the Danube is not in the blockade by Russia, but in its depth, which is insufficient for large bulk carriers. In small river barges - as much as you like, you can even transport grain by plane.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Ozero on August 01, 2023, 07:12:18 AM
Strictly speaking, what is the essence of the grain agreement for Russia? This is to stop shelling the territory of Ukraine, in particular, its Black Sea ports, to stop attacking civilian ships and, thus, to enable Ukraine to sell its grain on the international market. That is, in fact, the international community demanded from Russia to stop engaging in robbery and piracy against a neighboring state. Therefore, it is not necessary to show the actions of Russia as something that happens within the framework of ordinary civil contracts and the observance of some legitimate interests of Russia.
Are you seriously? This is the essence of the grain deal not for Russia, but for Ukraine. What is the benefit in this for Russia? Ukraine is a direct competitor of Russia in the grain supply market, why should Russia help its competitor? Russia is now the world leader in wheat exports, and this is largely because it has taken part of the market share from Ukraine. Only business, nothing personal. Try to learn to look at things more broadly, any deal should be mutually beneficial. Russia is constantly trying to be persuaded to gestures of goodwill, and then instead of gratitude, this is perceived as a sign of weakness. Do not do it this way.


Yesterday there was information that the Israeli ship Ams1, despite threats from Russia, entered the Ukrainian branch of the Danube. It is the first ship to break the Russian blockade of the Black Sea since Russia's bombardment of the Danube port of Reni on 25 July. Ams1 is followed by Sahin 2 and Yilmaz Kaptan. Origin of these vessels: Israel, Greece and Türkiye/Georgia. The American P8 anti-ship aircraft provides security. It is refueled directly in the skies of Romania. Additional information is provided by the Forte12 RQ-4 reconnaissance drone.

The situation is escalating and soon we will find out whether Russia is ready to fight with the whole world.

https://tsn.ua/ru/groshi/izrailskiy-korabl-pervym-prorval-zernovuyu-blokadu-rossii-i-napravlyaetsya-v-ukrainu-smi-2381521.html
Ahaha, I recognize the crooked handwriting of Ukrainian propaganda. There is no and never was any blockade for the Danube, transport grain by land and along the Danube as much as you like, the blockade is only for transportation along the Black Sea. The problem with transportation along the Danube is not in the blockade by Russia, but in its depth, which is insufficient for large bulk carriers. In small river barges - as much as you like, you can even transport grain by plane.
Well, why deny the obvious past events and facts?
On July 24, Russia attacked the Danube terminals of Reni and Izmail with Iranian drones. At the same time, three drones were shot down, the rest destroyed the hangar with grain and damaged storage tanks for cargo.
Having bombed the elevators and the port in Odessa, Russia took up alternative routes for the export of Ukrainian grain, which has already led to new rounds of food prices in the world, since Ukraine is one of the world's leading grain suppliers and Russia's main competitor in the grain market. The Danube is one of the key export routes with a monthly throughput of over 2 million tons.

Since the port of Reni is located close to the border with Moldova and across the Danube from Romania, analysts believed that Russia would not risk bombing an object a hundred meters from the territory of a NATO member state. But it wasn’t enough for Russia that in nine days after withdrawing from the grain deal, it destroyed over 180 thousand tons of grain, 26 port infrastructure facilities and sank five civilian ships by launching missile attacks on the Black Sea ports of Ukraine.
Source:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.bbc.com/russian/articles/c2jrp1yxvngo&ved=2ahUKEwiu_tOU7rqAAxVZhv0HHZB-D18Qjjh6BAgTEAE&usg=AOvVaw11ABJulIs0dn A92i7zQB3b

So you say, carry grain by land and along the Danube as much as you like? Thus, Russia eliminates a trade competitor in the face of Ukraine? Purely bandit methods of a terrorist country.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: serveria.com on August 01, 2023, 07:22:12 AM

Western sanctions are very useful for Russia in the long term and strategically and cause local discomfort in the short term and tactically.

In the case of the grain deal, Russia does not ask for anything, it lists its terms on which the grain deal can be renewed. It seems that Ukraine needs it more than Russia.
If Western sanctions are very beneficial for Russia in the long term, then Russia and the Russian people should just wait until that long term comes and just enjoy the sanctions. At the same time, Russia, it turns out, prevents the early onset of the beneficial effect of the sanctions by unilaterally withdrawing from the grain agreement and demanding that some of the imposed sanctions be lifted for its renewal, such as connecting its Russian Agricultural Bank to SWIFT. Therefore, there are obvious contradictions between the declared usefulness of sanctions in the long term and Russia's actions.
Ahaha, "unilaterally withdrawing", "demanding"? LOL  ;D

I repeat once again, the grain deal is over because the time has come for it to end, it was not open-ended. Russia refused to extend it, because it considered it unprofitable for itself. It does not demand anything, on the contrary, Russia is under pressure to extend the unfavorable agreement for it. And Russia is ready to meet halfway, it does not respond with a categorical refusal - for this, you just need to satisfy a few of its conditions first. This is a normal practice for building mutually beneficial relationships, if you want to get something, you first need to give something.

ps Russia has good reason to believe that the humanitarian corridor for the export of grain was also used to supply weapons to Ukraine, which is their misuse. Therefore, Ukraine has no one to blame but itself that the grain deal no longer works.
Strictly speaking, what is the essence of the grain agreement for Russia? This is to stop shelling the territory of Ukraine, in particular, its Black Sea ports, to stop attacking civilian ships and, thus, to enable Ukraine to sell its grain on the international market. That is, in fact, the international community demanded from Russia to stop engaging in robbery and piracy against a neighboring state. Therefore, it is not necessary to show the actions of Russia as something that happens within the framework of ordinary civil contracts and the observance of some legitimate interests of Russia.

Yesterday there was information that the Israeli ship Ams1, despite threats from Russia, entered the Ukrainian branch of the Danube. It is the first ship to break the Russian blockade of the Black Sea since Russia's bombardment of the Danube port of Reni on 25 July. Ams1 is followed by Sahin 2 and Yilmaz Kaptan. Origin of these vessels: Israel, Greece and Türkiye/Georgia. The American P8 anti-ship aircraft provides security. It is refueled directly in the skies of Romania. Additional information is provided by the Forte12 RQ-4 reconnaissance drone.

The situation is escalating and soon we will find out whether Russia is ready to fight with the whole world.

https://tsn.ua/ru/groshi/izrailskiy-korabl-pervym-prorval-zernovuyu-blokadu-rossii-i-napravlyaetsya-v-ukrainu-smi-2381521.html

Muahaha... nice try! Russia never said it will stop empty vessels going to Ukraine. What they said was that they will prevent vessels loaded with grain from leaving the area. Any ship from any country is free to enter any Ukrainian port.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: be.open on August 01, 2023, 07:35:01 AM
Well, why deny the obvious past events and facts?
On July 24, Russia attacked the Danube terminals of Reni and Izmail with Iranian drones. At the same time, three drones were shot down, the rest destroyed the hangar with grain and damaged storage tanks for cargo.
Having bombed the elevators and the port in Odessa, Russia took up alternative routes for the export of Ukrainian grain, which has already led to new rounds of food prices in the world, since Ukraine is one of the world's leading grain suppliers and Russia's main competitor in the grain market. The Danube is one of the key export routes with a monthly throughput of over 2 million tons.

Since the port of Reni is located close to the border with Moldova and across the Danube from Romania, analysts believed that Russia would not risk bombing an object a hundred meters from the territory of a NATO member state. But it wasn’t enough for Russia that in nine days after withdrawing from the grain deal, it destroyed over 180 thousand tons of grain, 26 port infrastructure facilities and sank five civilian ships by launching missile attacks on the Black Sea ports of Ukraine.
Source:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.bbc.com/russian/articles/c2jrp1yxvngo&ved=2ahUKEwiu_tOU7rqAAxVZhv0HHZB-D18Qjjh6BAgTEAE&usg=AOvVaw11ABJulIs0dn A92i7zQB3b

So you say, carry grain by land and along the Danube as much as you like? Thus, Russia eliminates a trade competitor in the face of Ukraine? Purely bandit methods of a terrorist country.
Apparently you do not understand the meaning of the word "blockade", but I will explain it to you now. The blockade means Russia is blocking shipping through Ukrainian ports in the Black Sea. Ports in the Danube are not under blockade, navigation through them by any ships flying the flags of third countries can be carried out without hindrance. However, Russia reserves the right to strike dual-use port infrastructure because it has good reason to believe that it is being used to transport weapons to Ukraine. With these strikes, Russia contributes to the speedy end of the conflict, albeit not in the way that Ukraine likes.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: rikybrosh on August 01, 2023, 08:23:21 AM
war always bring negative impact to the world, I hope ukranian citizens safe and have enough food. as far as I know Ukrania was known as big producer of wheat which produce 433 million ton during 2000-2020. it is not small amount, my country recieve indirect impact of this war although it is not so big impact but it will be better if the world is in peace and keep developing. Although my staple food is rice but sometime I eat wheat derivative product. that war is not influence my country too much but I hope the war will be over soon and no more people die. I don't really care about Russia and Ukrania Government or why this happen, both side must have their own reason and it's too complicated for me to understand. my only concern was the citizens, please keep the citizen safe.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Ozero on August 01, 2023, 08:30:02 AM

Apparently you do not understand the meaning of the word "blockade", but I will explain it to you now. The blockade means Russia is blocking shipping through Ukrainian ports in the Black Sea. Ports in the Danube are not under blockade, navigation through them by any ships flying the flags of third countries can be carried out without hindrance. However, Russia reserves the right to strike dual-use port infrastructure because it has good reason to believe that it is being used to transport weapons to Ukraine. With these strikes, Russia contributes to the speedy end of the conflict, albeit not in the way that Ukraine likes.
This means that Russia reserves the right to strike at the dual-use port infrastructure, since it has only some reason to believe that the port infrastructure is being used to transport weapons to Ukraine. Don't you regard such attacks on the port infrastructure as terrorist acts? I'm not even talking about delivering strikes with "calibers", that is, high-precision weapons, on residential buildings, as it happened the other day in Krivoy Rog, where the entrance from the fourth to the ninth floors was destroyed by "calibers".

Then why does Russia call the strikes on the Kerch bridge a terrorist attack, if the occupiers constantly transport heavy military equipment to the southern front in Ukraine through it?


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on August 01, 2023, 08:55:04 AM
war always bring negative impact to the world, I hope ukranian citizens safe and have enough food. as far as I know Ukrania was known as big producer of wheat which produce 433 million ton during 2000-2020. it is not small amount, my country recieve indirect impact of this war although it is not so big impact but it will be better if the world is in peace and keep developing. Although my staple food is rice but sometime I eat wheat derivative product. that war is not influence my country too much but I hope the war will be over soon and no more people die. I don't really care about Russia and Ukrania Government or why this happen, both side must have their own reason and it's too complicated for me to understand. my only concern was the citizens, please keep the citizen safe.
How can civilians in Ukraine be safe if Russia has been shelling the entire territory of Ukraine every day with all types of weapons for almost a year and a half? In the last year alone, Russia has fired over 5,000 cruise missiles into Ukraine. Many cities and other settlements of Ukraine, together with civilians, have actually been turned into ruins.

Despite heavy losses in manpower and equipment, the Putin regime is not going to stop attacking Ukraine and does not give up its intention to seize it. Therefore, the war can continue for a long time if events do not occur in Russia itself that will change these aggressive plans.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: be.open on August 01, 2023, 08:58:46 AM

Apparently you do not understand the meaning of the word "blockade", but I will explain it to you now. The blockade means Russia is blocking shipping through Ukrainian ports in the Black Sea. Ports in the Danube are not under blockade, navigation through them by any ships flying the flags of third countries can be carried out without hindrance. However, Russia reserves the right to strike dual-use port infrastructure because it has good reason to believe that it is being used to transport weapons to Ukraine. With these strikes, Russia contributes to the speedy end of the conflict, albeit not in the way that Ukraine likes.
This means that Russia reserves the right to strike at the dual-use port infrastructure, since it has only some reason to believe that the port infrastructure is being used to transport weapons to Ukraine. Don't you regard such attacks on the port infrastructure as terrorist acts? I'm not even talking about delivering strikes with "calibers", that is, high-precision weapons, on residential buildings, as it happened the other day in Krivoy Rog, where the entrance from the fourth to the ninth floors was destroyed by "calibers".

Then why does Russia call the strikes on the Kerch bridge a terrorist attack, if the occupiers constantly transport heavy military equipment to the southern front in Ukraine through it?
Because the Crimean bridge consists of two branches - automobile and railway. The railway branch is dual-purpose, and the automobile is civil. The railway line of the Crimean bridge is a legitimate military target for Ukraine, and the attack on the road line is a terrorist act. And do not pretend that you are too stupid not to understand the difference yourself.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Wong Gendheng on August 01, 2023, 02:57:48 PM
As we know Russia is a large country that produces a lot of food products, and when there is a war, of course Russia will do everything possible to secure food stocks, and this makes a big impact on many countries that depend on the supply of food ingredients from Russia.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: pooya87 on August 01, 2023, 04:16:22 PM
You can keep your sarcasm to yourself. Although you probably already have a stomach ulcer from this level of sarcasm, but I don’t need it.
That's not sarcasm, that's the effects of being severely brainwashed. One of the side effects of it is seeing the world in complete black or white with nothing in between.
This is why over a year ago when Russia was cut from SWIFT these people claimed it is the "end of Russia", they even set a deadline of a couple of weeks and stuff like that. And whenever other people disagreed with their extreme views they could only interpret them as meaning the other end of the spectrum (as in "everything is fine without a single problem") because as I said they have lost the ability to think or see anything between totally black and totally white.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Ozero on August 02, 2023, 03:25:47 AM

Apparently you do not understand the meaning of the word "blockade", but I will explain it to you now. The blockade means Russia is blocking shipping through Ukrainian ports in the Black Sea. Ports in the Danube are not under blockade, navigation through them by any ships flying the flags of third countries can be carried out without hindrance. However, Russia reserves the right to strike dual-use port infrastructure because it has good reason to believe that it is being used to transport weapons to Ukraine. With these strikes, Russia contributes to the speedy end of the conflict, albeit not in the way that Ukraine likes.
This means that Russia reserves the right to strike at the dual-use port infrastructure, since it has only some reason to believe that the port infrastructure is being used to transport weapons to Ukraine. Don't you regard such attacks on the port infrastructure as terrorist acts? I'm not even talking about delivering strikes with "calibers", that is, high-precision weapons, on residential buildings, as it happened the other day in Krivoy Rog, where the entrance from the fourth to the ninth floors was destroyed by "calibers".

Then why does Russia call the strikes on the Kerch bridge a terrorist attack, if the occupiers constantly transport heavy military equipment to the southern front in Ukraine through it?
Because the Crimean bridge consists of two branches - automobile and railway. The railway branch is dual-purpose, and the automobile is civil. The railway line of the Crimean bridge is a legitimate military target for Ukraine, and the attack on the road line is a terrorist act. And do not pretend that you are too stupid not to understand the difference yourself.
Did you yourself come up with the fact that Russia does not use the road branch of the Crimean bridge for the transfer of military equipment in order to use it in the war against Ukraine? Then I am the first to give a link to a site with a video of how tractors on platforms transport caterpillar military equipment along the automobile branch of the Crimean Bridge. As can be seen from the text of this link, it was published online on December 8 by one of the builders of the bridge, who recorded the movement of several pieces of equipment from the height of the railway line. On the video, you can replace the column of tractors with tanks that are moving to the Crimea along the bridge. The video shows a wide panorama of the Crimean bridge, which cannot be confused with any other bridge.

https://sud.ua/ru/news/obshchestvo/130280-rossiya-perebrasyvaet-tanki-v-okkupirovannyy-krym-cherez-kerchenskiy-most

https://flot2017.com/okkupanty-perebrasyvajut-cherez-krymskij-most-tehniku-foto/

https://24tv.ua/ru/na-krymskom-mostu-fiksirujut-kolonny-vrazheskoj-tehniki-smi_n2150756

https://www.rbc.ua/ukr/news/rosiyski-viyskovi-perekidayut-tehniku-timchasovo-1666009462.html

https://www.unian.net/war/rossiya-aktivno-perebrasyvaet-voennuyu-tehniku-iz-kryma-foto-12055437.html


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: khiholangkang on August 02, 2023, 03:54:44 AM
Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions

This ongoing conflict between Ukraine and Russia has had profound impact on human lives worldwide and its ripple effects are of global concerns. One of the significant consequence is logistic issue, resulting in food and gas shortage not only in war zone but all over the world as Ukraine and Russia are major suppliers of food items and petroleum products.The severity of this situation can potentially trigger severe economic meltdown globally that concerns all of us..

In the light of these grave circumstances, it is imperative for world community to take decisive actions and make vigorous efforts to facilitate a  peaceful resolution to this conflict.


To be honest at the beginning of the problem can be resolved easily, enough Ukraine did not join NATO the problem might not be this far, and Vladimir Zelensky still forced his decision to join NATO who made Putin angry with him, if even Ukraine wanted to join NATO it could be in In another way that is better in the future, or not the Putin regime can be fired first, it allows a safe path not to rush to enter NATO.
As far as the people of the world, have held a demonstration, blocking and others have been done, but that has not been unhemored at all, how the firmness of the world is also very difficult to control Russia, even though the United Nations class that says that.

This peace seems to be done if one of the two relents, but it is impossible for Russia to do it, what is more likely is Ukraine who claims to lose here.
What is done today by Russia to attack in a "need" may be motivated in this case to further pressure Ukraine, but if other countries are affected, I think Russia will get more pressure from other countries in this case, this is like block international trade.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: fruktik on August 02, 2023, 04:44:28 AM
Did you yourself come up with the fact that Russia does not use the road branch of the Crimean bridge for the transfer of military equipment in order to use it in the war against Ukraine? Then I am the first to give a link to a site with a video of how tractors on platforms transport caterpillar military equipment along the automobile branch of the Crimean Bridge. As can be seen from the text of this link, it was published online on December 8 by one of the builders of the bridge, who recorded the movement of several pieces of equipment from the height of the railway line. On the video, you can replace the column of tractors with tanks that are moving to the Crimea along the bridge. The video shows a wide panorama of the Crimean bridge, which cannot be confused with any other bridge.

https://sud.ua/ru/news/obshchestvo/130280-rossiya-perebrasyvaet-tanki-v-okkupirovannyy-krym-cherez-kerchenskiy-most

https://flot2017.com/okkupanty-perebrasyvajut-cherez-krymskij-most-tehniku-foto/

https://24tv.ua/ru/na-krymskom-mostu-fiksirujut-kolonny-vrazheskoj-tehniki-smi_n2150756

https://www.rbc.ua/ukr/news/rosiyski-viyskovi-perekidayut-tehniku-timchasovo-1666009462.html

https://www.unian.net/war/rossiya-aktivno-perebrasyvaet-voennuyu-tehniku-iz-kryma-foto-12055437.html
       Why then build this bridge, if not used for the delivery of military equipment? Something tells me that this was invented long before the military conflict. It is for this reason that they began to build it. People are always thought of last.
        Yes, the bridge plays an important role, but not decisive. There are workarounds for delivering everything "necessary", but much more dangerous ways than this. I could, of course, be wrong about this.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: be.open on August 02, 2023, 04:46:30 AM

Apparently you do not understand the meaning of the word "blockade", but I will explain it to you now. The blockade means Russia is blocking shipping through Ukrainian ports in the Black Sea. Ports in the Danube are not under blockade, navigation through them by any ships flying the flags of third countries can be carried out without hindrance. However, Russia reserves the right to strike dual-use port infrastructure because it has good reason to believe that it is being used to transport weapons to Ukraine. With these strikes, Russia contributes to the speedy end of the conflict, albeit not in the way that Ukraine likes.
This means that Russia reserves the right to strike at the dual-use port infrastructure, since it has only some reason to believe that the port infrastructure is being used to transport weapons to Ukraine. Don't you regard such attacks on the port infrastructure as terrorist acts? I'm not even talking about delivering strikes with "calibers", that is, high-precision weapons, on residential buildings, as it happened the other day in Krivoy Rog, where the entrance from the fourth to the ninth floors was destroyed by "calibers".

Then why does Russia call the strikes on the Kerch bridge a terrorist attack, if the occupiers constantly transport heavy military equipment to the southern front in Ukraine through it?
Because the Crimean bridge consists of two branches - automobile and railway. The railway branch is dual-purpose, and the automobile is civil. The railway line of the Crimean bridge is a legitimate military target for Ukraine, and the attack on the road line is a terrorist act. And do not pretend that you are too stupid not to understand the difference yourself.
Did you yourself come up with the fact that Russia does not use the road branch of the Crimean bridge for the transfer of military equipment in order to use it in the war against Ukraine? Then I am the first to give a link to a site with a video of how tractors on platforms transport caterpillar military equipment along the automobile branch of the Crimean Bridge. As can be seen from the text of this link, it was published online on December 8 by one of the builders of the bridge, who recorded the movement of several pieces of equipment from the height of the railway line. On the video, you can replace the column of tractors with tanks that are moving to the Crimea along the bridge. The video shows a wide panorama of the Crimean bridge, which cannot be confused with any other bridge.

https://sud.ua/ru/news/obshchestvo/130280-rossiya-perebrasyvaet-tanki-v-okkupirovannyy-krym-cherez-kerchenskiy-most

https://flot2017.com/okkupanty-perebrasyvajut-cherez-krymskij-most-tehniku-foto/

https://24tv.ua/ru/na-krymskom-mostu-fiksirujut-kolonny-vrazheskoj-tehniki-smi_n2150756

https://www.rbc.ua/ukr/news/rosiyski-viyskovi-perekidayut-tehniku-timchasovo-1666009462.html

https://www.unian.net/war/rossiya-aktivno-perebrasyvaet-voennuyu-tehniku-iz-kryma-foto-12055437.html
Yep, December 8, 2018. ;D

You indicated the date, but why didn’t you say anything about the year? Because that year there was no special operation yet, and even probably the railway line of the Crimean bridge. The rest of the links are all the same crooked handwriting of Ukrainian propaganda. It is foolish to transport military equipment over a road bridge, which can hardly cope with the flow of civilian traffic when there is a separate railway line nearby.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Ozero on August 02, 2023, 05:52:07 AM

Yep, December 8, 2018. ;D

You indicated the date, but why didn’t you say anything about the year? Because that year there was no special operation yet, and even probably the railway line of the Crimean bridge. The rest of the links are all the same crooked handwriting of Ukrainian propaganda. It is foolish to transport military equipment over a road bridge, which can hardly cope with the flow of civilian traffic when there is a separate railway line nearby.
In the text of the article for the video, only the day and month were indicated, which is why I referred to them to be accurate. A date without a year is usually applied when the event corresponds to the latest possible year in time, i.e. in this case it would correspond to 2022. But this is not essential, because we are talking about the transfer of Russian military equipment by the automobile branch of the Crimean bridge in general. It doesn't even matter here whether it was before the full-scale Russian invasion in February 2022 or later.

The fact remains that both the railway and the road are used by Russia to transfer military equipment to the occupied Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea, which means that this bridge is a legitimate military target for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. In addition, even if Russia did not use the Crimean bridge for military purposes, it was still built illegally, without agreement with Ukraine, which means that Ukraine itself has the right to determine its fate, especially after the de-occupation of Crimea. Therefore, damage or destruction of the bridge cannot be considered a terrorist attack, as Russia presents to the world community.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: be.open on August 02, 2023, 06:57:17 AM

Yep, December 8, 2018. ;D

You indicated the date, but why didn’t you say anything about the year? Because that year there was no special operation yet, and even probably the railway line of the Crimean bridge. The rest of the links are all the same crooked handwriting of Ukrainian propaganda. It is foolish to transport military equipment over a road bridge, which can hardly cope with the flow of civilian traffic when there is a separate railway line nearby.
In the text of the article for the video, only the day and month were indicated, which is why I referred to them to be accurate. A date without a year is usually applied when the event corresponds to the latest possible year in time, i.e. in this case it would correspond to 2022. But this is not essential, because we are talking about the transfer of Russian military equipment by the automobile branch of the Crimean bridge in general. It doesn't even matter here whether it was before the full-scale Russian invasion in February 2022 or later.
The article itself at your link was published on December 9, 2018. But of course it doesn't matter to you, I already understood that.


The fact remains that both the railway and the road are used by Russia to transfer military equipment to the occupied Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea, which means that this bridge is a legitimate military target for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. In addition, even if Russia did not use the Crimean bridge for military purposes, it was still built illegally, without agreement with Ukraine, which means that Ukraine itself has the right to determine its fate, especially after the de-occupation of Crimea. Therefore, damage or destruction of the bridge cannot be considered a terrorist attack, as Russia presents to the world community.
There is no need for Russia to present anything to the world community, the world community already understands everything very well. Ukraine screwed up with its counteroffensive, has been marking time for two months now and in a couple of places was only able to get closer to the first line of defense. This, even with a big stretch, cannot be sold to the West as a victory, although the West has provided Ukraine with everything necessary for success. Ukraine can successfully fight only against civilians, that is, engage in terror - and the West on the eve of the elections will not support failed terrorists. A diplomatic row is already flaring up between Ukraine and Poland, and there is talk in the West about the possible assassination of Zelensky. And Ukraine itself is preparing a "peace summit" in Saudi Arabia and suddenly became preoccupied with the opinion of the "Global South", although the previous peace summit in Copenhagen completely failed and its participants could not even agree on any joint communiqué.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: DrBeer on August 02, 2023, 07:42:47 AM
As everyone remembers - after July 17, "formidable Russia" announced to the whole world that it was offended, and withdraws from the grain deal, and now ALL ships entering Ukrainian ports will be considered objects for attack. And Russia will fulfill its promises ....
Russia once again, started pathetic attempts at threats, and expectedly "shit itself" :)
The other day, 3 grain ships entered Ukrainian ports. Ships of Israel, Greece and Turkey.
The terrorist country was shown that it is nothing and no one is afraid of it, the terrorist country was shown that the Black Sea is not an internal sea of Russia, and its fantasies about the water area of temporarily occupied territories, it can stick in any orifice :).

PS Yes, African countries, which came to see the Kremlin clown, refused "gifts from the white dwarf" in the form of free grain :)


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Ozero on August 02, 2023, 11:14:22 AM

There is no need for Russia to present anything to the world community, the world community already understands everything very well. Ukraine screwed up with its counteroffensive, has been marking time for two months now and in a couple of places was only able to get closer to the first line of defense. This, even with a big stretch, cannot be sold to the West as a victory, although the West has provided Ukraine with everything necessary for success. Ukraine can successfully fight only against civilians, that is, engage in terror - and the West on the eve of the elections will not support failed terrorists. A diplomatic row is already flaring up between Ukraine and Poland, and there is talk in the West about the possible assassination of Zelensky. And Ukraine itself is preparing a "peace summit" in Saudi Arabia and suddenly became preoccupied with the opinion of the "Global South", although the previous peace summit in Copenhagen completely failed and its participants could not even agree on any joint communiqué.
Yes, the world community is well aware of who is the aggressor and terrorist. And with the counterattack, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are fine. The Russian invaders in the south have set up solid mine and other barriers, and it is unacceptable for Ukraine to clear the territory with the bodies of their soldiers during assaults. Therefore, gradual combat work is being carried out with advancement. At the same time, pinpoint strikes destroy Russian command and concentration points, ammunition depots and military equipment in positions in order to deprive the occupiers of the ability to provide effective resistance. This will take more time than anyone in the West expected. In addition, the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not have an advantage in the air, and with such a balance of power, no one in the West would risk launching a major offensive. This is contrary to their military doctrine.
However, by autumn, the Armed Forces of Ukraine should liberate the south of Ukraine and reach the Sea of Azov and Crimea.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Joshapat on August 02, 2023, 11:38:32 AM
Sad to see the sabotage carried out by Russia for food crops and grains, we know that many countries depend on ukraine grains so that will make economic problems more complicated, of course my country will also receive a direct impact because according to the official government report that ukraine is the 8th country who became an exporter to my country.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: be.open on August 02, 2023, 02:14:11 PM

There is no need for Russia to present anything to the world community, the world community already understands everything very well. Ukraine screwed up with its counteroffensive, has been marking time for two months now and in a couple of places was only able to get closer to the first line of defense. This, even with a big stretch, cannot be sold to the West as a victory, although the West has provided Ukraine with everything necessary for success. Ukraine can successfully fight only against civilians, that is, engage in terror - and the West on the eve of the elections will not support failed terrorists. A diplomatic row is already flaring up between Ukraine and Poland, and there is talk in the West about the possible assassination of Zelensky. And Ukraine itself is preparing a "peace summit" in Saudi Arabia and suddenly became preoccupied with the opinion of the "Global South", although the previous peace summit in Copenhagen completely failed and its participants could not even agree on any joint communiqué.
Yes, the world community is well aware of who is the aggressor and terrorist. And with the counterattack, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are fine. The Russian invaders in the south have set up solid mine and other barriers, and it is unacceptable for Ukraine to clear the territory with the bodies of their soldiers during assaults. Therefore, gradual combat work is being carried out with advancement. At the same time, pinpoint strikes destroy Russian command and concentration points, ammunition depots and military equipment in positions in order to deprive the occupiers of the ability to provide effective resistance. This will take more time than anyone in the West expected. In addition, the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not have an advantage in the air, and with such a balance of power, no one in the West would risk launching a major offensive. This is contrary to their military doctrine.
However, by autumn, the Armed Forces of Ukraine should liberate the south of Ukraine and reach the Sea of Azov and Crimea.
Do you yourself believe in it? It seems that Ukraine has already lost more territory in the Kupyansk direction since the start of the counteroffensive than it has acquired in Zaporozhye. At this pace, by autumn, instead of fantasies of access to the Sea of Azov, Ukraine may face a much harsher reality.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Ozero on August 03, 2023, 04:20:36 AM

Ahaha, I recognize the crooked handwriting of Ukrainian propaganda. There is no and never was any blockade for the Danube, transport grain by land and along the Danube as much as you like, the blockade is only for transportation along the Black Sea. The problem with transportation along the Danube is not in the blockade by Russia, but in its depth, which is insufficient for large bulk carriers. In small river barges - as much as you like, you can even transport grain by plane
On the night of August 2, Russia launched several dozen "Shaheds" with which they attacked both the port infrastructure of Ukraine and the capital. The air forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine managed to destroy 23 strike UAVs overnight. Including Izmail, the most important port of the Danube navigation, was attacked. The blows fell on the "Sea Port", an elevator, grain hangars. As a result of the attack, the invaders damaged almost 40 thousand tons of grain, which was supposed to go to African countries, China and Israel. The probable reason for the attack on Izmail was that the day before yesterday several ships, including Israeli, Greek and Turkish ships, decided to ignore the Russian naval blockade and the threats of the Russians, and continued to move to the ports of Ukraine in the Danube mouth, in particular to Izmail. In addition to port infrastructure and granaries, the terrorist country is attacking Ukrainian fields where the harvest takes place, in particular, the Nikolaev and Kherson regions.

Thus, Russia has once again committed a terrorist attack, and also continues to do everything to ensure that those countries that are sorely lacking in food suffer from hunger.

Due to blows Russian, wheat prices in Chicago jumped 6.5%. Traders are again concerned about what is happening in Ukraine. Ukrainian farmers are already feeling how the strikes of the Russian Armed Forces affect the global food market.

Sources :
https://24tv.ua/ru/ataka-dronami-rossija-atakovala-portovuju-infrastrukturu-izmaile_n2364347

https://focus.ua/economics/583056-sereznyy-ushcherb-iz-za-ataki-vs-rf-na-izmail-ceny-na-prodovolstvie-v-mire-vyrosli-smi


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: serveria.com on August 03, 2023, 06:59:48 AM

Ahaha, I recognize the crooked handwriting of Ukrainian propaganda. There is no and never was any blockade for the Danube, transport grain by land and along the Danube as much as you like, the blockade is only for transportation along the Black Sea. The problem with transportation along the Danube is not in the blockade by Russia, but in its depth, which is insufficient for large bulk carriers. In small river barges - as much as you like, you can even transport grain by plane
On the night of August 2, Russia launched several dozen "Shaheds" with which they attacked both the port infrastructure of Ukraine and the capital. The air forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine managed to destroy 23 strike UAVs overnight. Including Izmail, the most important port of the Danube navigation, was attacked. The blows fell on the "Sea Port", an elevator, grain hangars. As a result of the attack, the invaders damaged almost 40 thousand tons of grain, which was supposed to go to African countries, China and Israel. The probable reason for the attack on Izmail was that the day before yesterday several ships, including Israeli, Greek and Turkish ships, decided to ignore the Russian naval blockade and the threats of the Russians, and continued to move to the ports of Ukraine in the Danube mouth, in particular to Izmail. In addition to port infrastructure and granaries, the terrorist country is attacking Ukrainian fields where the harvest takes place, in particular, the Nikolaev and Kherson regions.

Thus, Russia has once again committed a terrorist attack, and also continues to do everything to ensure that those countries that are sorely lacking in food suffer from hunger.

Due to blows Russian, wheat prices in Chicago jumped 6.5%. Traders are again concerned about what is happening in Ukraine. Ukrainian farmers are already feeling how the strikes of the Russian Armed Forces affect the global food market.

Sources :
https://24tv.ua/ru/ataka-dronami-rossija-atakovala-portovuju-infrastrukturu-izmaile_n2364347

https://focus.ua/economics/583056-sereznyy-ushcherb-iz-za-ataki-vs-rf-na-izmail-ceny-na-prodovolstvie-v-mire-vyrosli-smi

Using the same logic you used regarding the Crimea bridge attack - sea ports are "military infrastructure" and "legitimate target" for Russia.  8)

Btw, these were probably just another "legitimate targets" right?  ;D

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65683374

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66368016

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/30/moscow-buildings-damaged-in-overnight-drone-attacks-that-russia-blames-on-kyiv

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/31/world/europe/ukraine-drone-strikes-russia.html

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/5/12/ukraine-accused-of-deadly-cross-border-attack-on-russian-village  


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: DrBeer on August 03, 2023, 12:08:15 PM

Ahaha, I recognize the crooked handwriting of Ukrainian propaganda. There is no and never was any blockade for the Danube, transport grain by land and along the Danube as much as you like, the blockade is only for transportation along the Black Sea. The problem with transportation along the Danube is not in the blockade by Russia, but in its depth, which is insufficient for large bulk carriers. In small river barges - as much as you like, you can even transport grain by plane
On the night of August 2, Russia launched several dozen "Shaheds" with which they attacked both the port infrastructure of Ukraine and the capital. The air forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine managed to destroy 23 strike UAVs overnight. Including Izmail, the most important port of the Danube navigation, was attacked. The blows fell on the "Sea Port", an elevator, grain hangars. As a result of the attack, the invaders damaged almost 40 thousand tons of grain, which was supposed to go to African countries, China and Israel. The probable reason for the attack on Izmail was that the day before yesterday several ships, including Israeli, Greek and Turkish ships, decided to ignore the Russian naval blockade and the threats of the Russians, and continued to move to the ports of Ukraine in the Danube mouth, in particular to Izmail. In addition to port infrastructure and granaries, the terrorist country is attacking Ukrainian fields where the harvest takes place, in particular, the Nikolaev and Kherson regions.

Thus, Russia has once again committed a terrorist attack, and also continues to do everything to ensure that those countries that are sorely lacking in food suffer from hunger.

Due to blows Russian, wheat prices in Chicago jumped 6.5%. Traders are again concerned about what is happening in Ukraine. Ukrainian farmers are already feeling how the strikes of the Russian Armed Forces affect the global food market.

Sources :
https://24tv.ua/ru/ataka-dronami-rossija-atakovala-portovuju-infrastrukturu-izmaile_n2364347

https://focus.ua/economics/583056-sereznyy-ushcherb-iz-za-ataki-vs-rf-na-izmail-ceny-na-prodovolstvie-v-mire-vyrosli-smi

Using the same logic you used regarding the Crimea bridge attack - sea ports are "military infrastructure" and "legitimate target" for Russia.  8)

Btw, these were probably just another "legitimate targets" right?  ;D

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65683374

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66368016

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/30/moscow-buildings-damaged-in-overnight-drone-attacks-that-russia-blames-on-kyiv

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/31/world/europe/ukraine-drone-strikes-russia.html

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/5/12/ukraine-accused-of-deadly-cross-border-attack-on-russian-village  

From a terrorist's point of view - fighting terrorism, it's illegal :)

But the reality is this:
1. The Crimean Bridge is a structure built illegally, without the approval of the country on the part of whose territory the construction was carried out.
This object is used for supplying weapons and holding occupied territories, in violation of international treaties.
This territory is temporarily occupied by a strange international terrorist (its head is wanted by the International Tribunal in The Hague).
2. Ukraine is a country subjected to aggression and attack by Russia. Ukraine has the right to defend itself and destroy any facilities used to support aggression against a sovereign state. This is outlined in the international legal framework. Ukraine has never violated any of its commitments, unlike an international terrorist country.

So the mantras of the Kremlin's handmaidens of propagandists, of course, "warm the soul" to some, but for all will have to pay and be punished !


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: be.open on August 03, 2023, 12:50:35 PM
From a terrorist's point of view - fighting terrorism, it's illegal :)

But the reality is this:
1. The Crimean Bridge is a structure built illegally, without the approval of the country on the part of whose territory the construction was carried out.
This object is used for supplying weapons and holding occupied territories, in violation of international treaties.
This territory is temporarily occupied by a strange international terrorist (its head is wanted by the International Tribunal in The Hague).
2. Ukraine is a country subjected to aggression and attack by Russia. Ukraine has the right to defend itself and destroy any facilities used to support aggression against a sovereign state. This is outlined in the international legal framework. Ukraine has never violated any of its commitments, unlike an international terrorist country.

So the mantras of the Kremlin's handmaidens of propagandists, of course, "warm the soul" to some, but for all will have to pay and be punished !
Your wet fantasies are very preachy, but the reality is that European and American taxpayers have to pay for everything right now. Ukrainian Prime Minister Shmyhal recently stated that Ukraine's spending on combat operations exceeds the revenue side of Ukraine's budget. And in order to present an account to Russia, you will first have to inflict a military defeat on it, and Ukraine has some difficulties with this. And it seems that these difficulties are quite significant.

Meanwhile, the head of European democracy, Borrell, is indignant - they say Russia is treacherously offering grain at reduced prices to needy countries so that they become dependent on the vile totalitarian regime. How long can this be tolerated? ;D


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Ozero on August 03, 2023, 02:29:08 PM

Using the same logic you used regarding the Crimea bridge attack - sea ports are "military infrastructure" and "legitimate target" for Russia.  8)

You are missing a very important and essential detail. It is Russia that attacked Ukraine and is a military aggressor. Therefore, in Russia there is no legal right to attack any territory of Ukraine. But in Ukraine, according to the UN Charter, there is a legal right to defend itself, which it does by striking back, including on the territory of Russia.
Ukraine has already documented over 232,000 war crimes committed against it by Russian invaders. Sooner or later, but the terrorist camp will still have to pay for it.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: MFahad on August 03, 2023, 05:54:35 PM
Begging is a natural part of the world according to what you say. Because not every nation could have the same resources and some nations are just forced to live off whatever they have. Of course focus on agriculture a lot more, but what about the deserted areas in the African continent? That's the biggest example, we are talking about a huge part of the world that has no farming area, what are they going to do? Hell they do not even have clean water let alone anything else.

This is why I believe that we should not be doing anything that would challenge the whole begging part on your end. We should help the nations that need our help as much as we can, they should do whatever they can too of course, but that doesn't mean we should stop.

It is responsibility of every country to help each other and I am not saying that we should not help each other but I want to say that a country should utilize his resources to feed his own nation because we cannot live on others resources.

May be at one time the neighbor country is good with us but if after some years neighbor country don't want to share resources then what will we do? There are desert area but not all area of a country is occupied with desert so the area which is fertile should take into use.

Helping each other is a good habit and it should be done but hope sometimes make a country hopeless because if one country takes resources from others then receiver will not do any hard work to develop own resources.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: coupable on August 03, 2023, 10:20:11 PM
Begging is a natural part of the world according to what you say. Because not every nation could have the same resources and some nations are just forced to live off whatever they have. Of course focus on agriculture a lot more, but what about the deserted areas in the African continent? That's the biggest example, we are talking about a huge part of the world that has no farming area, what are they going to do? Hell they do not even have clean water let alone anything else.

This is why I believe that we should not be doing anything that would challenge the whole begging part on your end. We should help the nations that need our help as much as we can, they should do whatever they can too of course, but that doesn't mean we should stop.

It is responsibility of every country to help each other and I am not saying that we should not help each other but I want to say that a country should utilize his resources to feed his own nation because we cannot live on others resources.

Helping each other is a good habit and it should be done but hope sometimes make a country hopeless because if one country takes resources from others then receiver will not do any hard work to develop own resources.
But this does not provide a clear position if it is permissible to use food supplies as a means of pressure during conflicts between countries. Today, Russia deployed more than 17 warships in the Black Sea off the Ukrainian coast and began targeting vital Ukrainian centers, including the ports responsible for storing and transporting grain supplies around the world. They say in proverbs that everything is permissible in love and war, but is the destruction of global food security also permissible? In the same context, is it possible to support the proposal to neutralize the Black Sea region and make it demilitarized?
I seriously believe that it is not easy to find satisfactory answers to all these questions.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Ozero on August 04, 2023, 05:55:43 AM
If you look at the current situation with food security globally, then the "grain" agreement made it possible for Russia to legalize piracy in the Black Sea. After all, Russia received the right and opportunity to release from the ports of Ukraine only those ships that it wants, in the order that it wants and with the checks that it wants. In addition, for the last three months before withdrawing from this agreement, Russia actually blocked the agreement, releasing about five ships a month from the ports of Ukraine and, under various pretexts, refused to check them.

The world community should strengthen sanctions against Russia in order for it to stop its military aggression against Ukraine, as well as send its warships to the Black Sea to ensure the established order in this region. Russia understands only strength, it considers any concessions and compromises a sign of weakness.

But since the international community reacts very weakly to terrorist attacks by the Russian Black Sea Fleet on the ports of Ukraine and its critical infrastructure, Ukraine itself is forced to pacify the aggressor.

So, tonight, Ukrainian surface drones attacked the Olenegorsky Miner large landing ship, which was in the port of Novorossiysk, that is, on the Russian mainland. Russian official sources, as usual, began to declare that the attack was successfully repelled, but the video of the drone attack itself and the state of the large landing ship that was being pulled in tow and which was falling on its side had already begun to circulate on the network. The ship received a large hole in a naval drone, which was stuffed with 450 kilograms of TNT.

It should also be noted that according to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Russia has already lost 18 of its warships and boats, including the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet, the cruiser Moskva. After two holes from Ukrainian naval drones, they also tried to tow it, but it quickly fell on its side and now rests on the bottom of the Black Sea.

https://24tv.ua/ru/olenegorskij-gornjak-podbili-v-novorossijske-rossijane-zhalujutsja-o-potere-24-kanal_n2365938/amp

https://amp.politeka.net/news/411562-ukraina-poshla-v-ataku-v-chernom-more-vrag-neset-poteri-kren-kriticheskiy


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Marvell1 on August 04, 2023, 12:31:12 PM


The world community should strengthen sanctions against Russia in order for it to stop its military aggression against Ukraine, as well as send its warships to the Black Sea to ensure the established order in this region. Russia understands only strength, it considers any concessions and compromises a sign of weakness.

But since the international community reacts very weakly to terrorist attacks by the Russian Black Sea Fleet on the ports of Ukraine and its critical infrastructure, Ukraine itself is forced to pacify the aggressor.


Haven't the US and EU already exhausted their sanctions against Russia? Millions of sanctions have been put in place and what more could you want? But they seem to repeatedly fail to contain Russia because of their subjectivity. I don't support war, but why don't you think that the cause of the war is on the Ukrainian side? If they do not resolutely join Nato and do not listen to the instigation of others, nothing will happen. Just stop intending to join Nato, sit at the negotiating table, everything will stop, but there seems to be a larger force that does not want Ukraine to stop for their sake.

Moreover, the US and Nato are doing their best to help Ukraine but it seems that things are not going as they expected and you are starting to criticize the international community just because of the weakness of the EU and Ukraine?


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Ozero on August 04, 2023, 03:46:20 PM


The world community should strengthen sanctions against Russia in order for it to stop its military aggression against Ukraine, as well as send its warships to the Black Sea to ensure the established order in this region. Russia understands only strength, it considers any concessions and compromises a sign of weakness.

But since the international community reacts very weakly to terrorist attacks by the Russian Black Sea Fleet on the ports of Ukraine and its critical infrastructure, Ukraine itself is forced to pacify the aggressor.


Haven't the US and EU already exhausted their sanctions against Russia? Millions of sanctions have been put in place and what more could you want? But they seem to repeatedly fail to contain Russia because of their subjectivity. I don't support war, but why don't you think that the cause of the war is on the Ukrainian side? If they do not resolutely join Nato and do not listen to the instigation of others, nothing will happen. Just stop intending to join Nato, sit at the negotiating table, everything will stop, but there seems to be a larger force that does not want Ukraine to stop for their sake.

Moreover, the US and Nato are doing their best to help Ukraine but it seems that things are not going as they expected and you are starting to criticize the international community just because of the weakness of the EU and Ukraine?
The United States, European countries and other states still have a lot of additional options regarding the application of sanctions against Russia in order to force it to adhere to the UN Charter. Regarding Ukraine's possible acceptance of Russia's demands that Ukraine not join NATO, this is only one of the many far-fetched reasons for a military invasion of Ukraine. The Putin regime wants Ukraine to cease to exist as a state, and Ukrainians did not consider themselves a nation. Therefore, for the presence of Ukrainian symbols in the occupied territories, Russians torture and kill Ukrainians.

But on the other hand: does your country, where you live, ask its neighboring states what to do and what unions to join? I am sure not, because it means that your state does not have sovereignty. So why are you pushing Ukraine to become dependent on Russia, which has now brought about 380,000 of its soldiers into Ukraine and is shelling and killing civilians every day?

For Ukrainians, there is no other way but to kill all the invaders who invaded its territory with weapons in their hands. Russia has already lost about a million people killed, wounded and missing in Ukraine. And no matter how many millions of Russian meat the Kremlin sends to Ukraine, the result will be the same.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: serveria.com on August 04, 2023, 09:16:37 PM


The world community should strengthen sanctions against Russia in order for it to stop its military aggression against Ukraine, as well as send its warships to the Black Sea to ensure the established order in this region. Russia understands only strength, it considers any concessions and compromises a sign of weakness.

But since the international community reacts very weakly to terrorist attacks by the Russian Black Sea Fleet on the ports of Ukraine and its critical infrastructure, Ukraine itself is forced to pacify the aggressor.


Haven't the US and EU already exhausted their sanctions against Russia? Millions of sanctions have been put in place and what more could you want? But they seem to repeatedly fail to contain Russia because of their subjectivity. I don't support war, but why don't you think that the cause of the war is on the Ukrainian side? If they do not resolutely join Nato and do not listen to the instigation of others, nothing will happen. Just stop intending to join Nato, sit at the negotiating table, everything will stop, but there seems to be a larger force that does not want Ukraine to stop for their sake.

Moreover, the US and Nato are doing their best to help Ukraine but it seems that things are not going as they expected and you are starting to criticize the international community just because of the weakness of the EU and Ukraine?
The United States, European countries and other states still have a lot of additional options regarding the application of sanctions against Russia in order to force it to adhere to the UN Charter. Regarding Ukraine's possible acceptance of Russia's demands that Ukraine not join NATO, this is only one of the many far-fetched reasons for a military invasion of Ukraine. The Putin regime wants Ukraine to cease to exist as a state, and Ukrainians did not consider themselves a nation. Therefore, for the presence of Ukrainian symbols in the occupied territories, Russians torture and kill Ukrainians.

But on the other hand: does your country, where you live, ask its neighboring states what to do and what unions to join? I am sure not, because it means that your state does not have sovereignty. So why are you pushing Ukraine to become dependent on Russia, which has now brought about 380,000 of its soldiers into Ukraine and is shelling and killing civilians every day?

For Ukrainians, there is no other way but to kill all the invaders who invaded its territory with weapons in their hands. Russia has already lost about a million people killed, wounded and missing in Ukraine. And no matter how many millions of Russian meat the Kremlin sends to Ukraine, the result will be the same.

So what are these options? Could you come up with a list of a least 5 products or industries which can be sanctioned? I personally can't think of any.

Sovereignty? You must be kidding! Ukraine lost it's independence back in 2014 after the Maidan coup. Right now, it's being heavily subsidized by the west both financially and militarily. Around 40% of Ukraine's budget is foreign aid. Do you really think all these billions in aid are being given away for free? The US is in fact at war with Russia right now. Except for no Americans are dying, no bleeding-edge arms are being destroyed etc etc. It's called a proxy war.

Russia has lost a million people? Muahahaha... too much propaganda is bad for your brain (if you have one that is). The entire Russian army, including the non-military personnel is around 1 million. So, I guess, Ukraine has wiped out the Russian army completely!  ;D ;D ;D

I love these lying propagandist shills, they're so funny!  ;D



 


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Ozero on August 05, 2023, 04:35:13 AM


So what are these options? Could you come up with a list of a least 5 products or industries which can be sanctioned? I personally can't think of any.

Sovereignty? You must be kidding! Ukraine lost it's independence back in 2014 after the Maidan coup. Right now, it's being heavily subsidized by the west both financially and militarily. Around 40% of Ukraine's budget is foreign aid. Do you really think all these billions in aid are being given away for free? The US is in fact at war with Russia right now. Except for no Americans are dying, no bleeding-edge arms are being destroyed etc etc. It's called a proxy war.

Russia has lost a million people? Muahahaha... too much propaganda is bad for your brain (if you have one that is). The entire Russian army, including the non-military personnel is around 1 million. So, I guess, Ukraine has wiped out the Russian army completely!  ;D ;D ;D

I love these lying propagandist shills, they're so funny!  ;D
I understand that when the opponents do not have enough reasoned facts, they turn to personal insults. Therefore, I will not comment on them. You should worry not about the future of Ukraine, but about the future of your Russia.

In addition, Russia should think about negotiations on its "oil" corridor. Yesterday's damage to the large landing ship "Olenegorsky miner" in the port of Novorossiysk and today's attack of marine drones on the sanctioned Russian tanker Sig near the Kerch Strait confirm this.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: serveria.com on August 05, 2023, 07:35:55 AM


So what are these options? Could you come up with a list of a least 5 products or industries which can be sanctioned? I personally can't think of any.

Sovereignty? You must be kidding! Ukraine lost it's independence back in 2014 after the Maidan coup. Right now, it's being heavily subsidized by the west both financially and militarily. Around 40% of Ukraine's budget is foreign aid. Do you really think all these billions in aid are being given away for free? The US is in fact at war with Russia right now. Except for no Americans are dying, no bleeding-edge arms are being destroyed etc etc. It's called a proxy war.

Russia has lost a million people? Muahahaha... too much propaganda is bad for your brain (if you have one that is). The entire Russian army, including the non-military personnel is around 1 million. So, I guess, Ukraine has wiped out the Russian army completely!  ;D ;D ;D

I love these lying propagandist shills, they're so funny!  ;D
I understand that when the opponents do not have enough reasoned facts, they turn to personal insults. Therefore, I will not comment on them. You should worry not about the future of Ukraine, but about the future of your Russia.

In addition, Russia should think about negotiations on its "oil" corridor. Yesterday's damage to the large landing ship "Olenegorsky miner" in the port of Novorossiysk and today's attack of marine drones on the sanctioned Russian tanker Sig near the Kerch Strait confirm this.

It's not a personal insult: if you can't provide facts to support your statements, provide fake or one-sided info it means you're a propagandist shill. For example, you claimed that Ukraine has wiped out the entire Russian army and it's pretty easy to fact-check this info. According to Wikipedia:

Quote
The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (Russian: Boopyжённыe Cи́лы Poccи́йcкoй Фeдepáции, Vooružjonnyje Síly Rossíjskoj Federácii), commonly referred to as the Russian Armed Forces, are the military of Russia. In terms of active-duty personnel, they are the world's fifth-largest military force, with 1.15 million

So, making ridiculous statements like this only makes you look like a complete bozo and you're losing credibility in the eyes of people reading your posts.  

Next, you're bragging about hitting an old military cargo ship built in 1976! and a civilian vessel but Ukraine has much bigger issues to consider atm. Like losing 43k people and almost all armaments provided by the west in a few short weeks and not gaining anything really territory-wise in it's "counter-offensive".

I've mentioned this already and I'll do it again: I'm not Russian, I don't live in Russia and I don't support Russia. I don't give a damn about Russia and it's future. But I hate lies and will do anything to expose it.  8)


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: DrBeer on August 05, 2023, 08:43:38 AM


The world community should strengthen sanctions against Russia in order for it to stop its military aggression against Ukraine, as well as send its warships to the Black Sea to ensure the established order in this region. Russia understands only strength, it considers any concessions and compromises a sign of weakness.

But since the international community reacts very weakly to terrorist attacks by the Russian Black Sea Fleet on the ports of Ukraine and its critical infrastructure, Ukraine itself is forced to pacify the aggressor.


Haven't the US and EU already exhausted their sanctions against Russia? Millions of sanctions have been put in place and what more could you want? But they seem to repeatedly fail to contain Russia because of their subjectivity. I don't support war, but why don't you think that the cause of the war is on the Ukrainian side? If they do not resolutely join Nato and do not listen to the instigation of others, nothing will happen. Just stop intending to join Nato, sit at the negotiating table, everything will stop, but there seems to be a larger force that does not want Ukraine to stop for their sake.

Moreover, the US and Nato are doing their best to help Ukraine but it seems that things are not going as they expected and you are starting to criticize the international community just because of the weakness of the EU and Ukraine?

If you scrutinize the topic of sanctions, you'll be surprised - they :
- they are valid for literally 1 year
- no real "heavy sanctions" have been imposed yet. Now these sanctions can be described as aimed at limiting the supply of certain technologies, and partial reduction of foreign exchange earnings.

And as it turned out, they are already in effect and quite effective.
If we return to the grain terrorism that Russia has organized, their position is quite understandable - oil and gas revenues have already fallen by 50% due to the sanctions. The arms market is also lost, because the whole world is convinced that Russian arms are also fake! One of the next powerful channels for obtaining currency (and without it Russia will "burn" very quickly) is Grain. And what we are witnessing now is just an attempt of a very dirty game of Russia to secure a monopoly on grain supply to the world market. The first step is hysteria and the rupture of the grain deal. The second step is terrorist bombardment of southern Ukrainian cities, and the goal is to destroy the entire infrastructure responsible for the collection, storage, logistics and loading of grain. This is incidentally to the question of the voiced objectives of the "special military operation" - all official versions of the Kremlin, also fake. Terrorism, looting, destruction of stability on a global scale.
The results of the second step are actually monopolization of grain supply by the terrorist country Russia, with a sharp rise in its price, due to the "withdrawal" from the market of the largest supplier - Ukraine.....


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Ozero on August 05, 2023, 10:06:25 AM

It's not a personal insult: if you can't provide facts to support your statements, provide fake or one-sided info it means you're a propagandist shill. For example, you claimed that Ukraine has wiped out the entire Russian army and it's pretty easy to fact-check this info. According to Wikipedia:

Quote
The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (Russian: Boopyжённыe Cи́лы Poccи́йcкoй Фeдepáции, Vooružjonnyje Síly Rossíjskoj Federácii), commonly referred to as the Russian Armed Forces, are the military of Russia. In terms of active-duty personnel, they are the world's fifth-largest military force, with 1.15 million

So, making ridiculous statements like this only makes you look like a complete bozo and you're losing credibility in the eyes of people reading your posts.  

Next, you're bragging about hitting an old military cargo ship built in 1976! and a civilian vessel but Ukraine has much bigger issues to consider atm. Like losing 43k people and almost all armaments provided by the west in a few short weeks and not gaining anything really territory-wise in it's "counter-offensive".

I've mentioned this already and I'll do it again: I'm not Russian, I don't live in Russia and I don't support Russia. I don't give a damn about Russia and it's future. But I hate lies and will do anything to expose it.  8)
Earlier, I pointed out that Russia lost almost the entire invading army in Ukraine (and not the entire Russian army), that is, approximately 180 thousand people who invaded Ukraine on February 22, 2022 in armored vehicles and formed the backbone of the Russian regular army. This invasion group - eight Russian armies - has been fighting in Ukraine for almost a year and a half, and given that the units have already been replenished with recruits 6-8 times, only a few of those who initially entered Ukraine managed to survive.

According to the Russian telegram channel “General SVR”, irretrievable losses (that is, only those killed and missing on the Ukrainian front) as of July 3 amounted to 307,703 people. Of these, 233,573 are regular army personnel and 74,130 are from various PMCs. These figures were reported to Putin a month ago.
If we proceed from the fact that on July 3, the Armed Forces of Ukraine provided data on the killed 230,260 Russians, and today - 249,110, then this figure will be even higher. The ratio of killed to wounded is usually one to three. This is a common practice for counting casualties in war. If you multiply the number of irretrievable losses according to the Russian Defense Ministry by three, you get about a million more wounded Russians. Thus, the number of those killed, wounded and missing in the war in Ukraine is approximately 1.2 - 1.3 million. Therefore, speaking of a million Russian losses, I already underestimated a little.

An old military cargo ship, built in 1976, I presume, you mean the large landing ship "Olenegorsky miner" that was damaged yesterday at the port of Novorossiysk?
Indeed, it was built at that time and given its serious age, in 2016 it was sent to JSC "33 SRZ" in the city of Baltiysk for a major overhaul, and as it turned out later - for modernization. As the press service of the Northern Fleet of the Russian Federation reported, during the time it was in the repair dock, a significant part of the armament and equipment was modernized on the ship.
The displacement of the ship is 4080 tons, while the length of the BDK is 112.5 m, the width is 15 m and the draft is 3.7 m.
The ship is equipped with:
- two launchers PU MS-73 MLRS A-215 "Grad-M" caliber 122 mm with a range of fire up to 21 km.,
- two twin 57-mm guns AK-725 with remote guidance with a range of up to 13 kilometers;
- one AK-176 installation with a firing range of up to 12 kilometers;
- two AK-630M installations with a firing range of over 8 km;
- four launchers of the Strela-2 portable anti-aircraft missile system.
As you can see, this is a rather large ship with formidable weapons, although it turned out to be defenseless in front of the sea  ​​drone.
Sources:
https://flot.com/nowadays/strength/gornyak.htm

https://focus.ua/voennye-novosti/583598-bdk-olenegorskiy-gornyak-chto-izvestno-o-rossiyskom-korable-kotoryy-popal-pod-udar-v-novorossiyske

The Russian tanker SIG, which was attacked today near the Kerch Strait, is also not exactly a civilian vessel.  This is one of the largest Russian oil tankers, which is capable of carrying almost 5,000 tons of fuel.  In 2019, SIG was sanctioned by the United States for supplying aviation fuel to Syria for a group of Russian troops supporting the dictatorial regime of Bashar al-Assad.
At the same time, it should be taken into account that at the time of the attack, the SIG tanker was in the territorial waters of Ukraine.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Marvell1 on August 05, 2023, 01:48:21 PM
Do you really think all these billions in aid are being given away for free? The US is in fact at war with Russia right now. Except for no Americans are dying, no bleeding-edge arms are being destroyed etc etc. It's called a proxy war.

Russia has lost a million people? Muahahaha... too much propaganda is bad for your brain (if you have one that is). The entire Russian army, including the non-military personnel is around 1 million. So, I guess, Ukraine has wiped out the Russian army completely!  ;D ;D ;D

I love these lying propagandist shills, they're so funny!  ;D
 

I remember the President of the United States said that the United States would support Ukraine against Russia to the last Ukrainian. Yes, it's the Ukrainian people, not any Americans, LOL.

To be more precise, this is a war of two great powers, but unfortunately, Ukraine has become a pawn on the US chessboard and according to their arrangement. I know that the Ukrainian people are very angry and hostile to what Russia is doing. But if they chained and reevaluated everything, then who would benefit most in this war? it was he who started the war. They're giving aid, they're supplying weapons, that doesn't mean they're trying to help Ukraine, they just don't want the war to end soon so they can get more out of it.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: serveria.com on August 05, 2023, 09:19:05 PM

It's not a personal insult: if you can't provide facts to support your statements, provide fake or one-sided info it means you're a propagandist shill. For example, you claimed that Ukraine has wiped out the entire Russian army and it's pretty easy to fact-check this info. According to Wikipedia:

Quote
The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (Russian: Boopyжённыe Cи́лы Poccи́йcкoй Фeдepáции, Vooružjonnyje Síly Rossíjskoj Federácii), commonly referred to as the Russian Armed Forces, are the military of Russia. In terms of active-duty personnel, they are the world's fifth-largest military force, with 1.15 million

So, making ridiculous statements like this only makes you look like a complete bozo and you're losing credibility in the eyes of people reading your posts.  

Next, you're bragging about hitting an old military cargo ship built in 1976! and a civilian vessel but Ukraine has much bigger issues to consider atm. Like losing 43k people and almost all armaments provided by the west in a few short weeks and not gaining anything really territory-wise in it's "counter-offensive".

I've mentioned this already and I'll do it again: I'm not Russian, I don't live in Russia and I don't support Russia. I don't give a damn about Russia and it's future. But I hate lies and will do anything to expose it.  8)
Earlier, I pointed out that Russia lost almost the entire invading army in Ukraine (and not the entire Russian army), that is, approximately 180 thousand people who invaded Ukraine on February 22, 2022 in armored vehicles and formed the backbone of the Russian regular army. This invasion group - eight Russian armies - has been fighting in Ukraine for almost a year and a half, and given that the units have already been replenished with recruits 6-8 times, only a few of those who initially entered Ukraine managed to survive.

According to the Russian telegram channel “General SVR”, irretrievable losses (that is, only those killed and missing on the Ukrainian front) as of July 3 amounted to 307,703 people. Of these, 233,573 are regular army personnel and 74,130 are from various PMCs. These figures were reported to Putin a month ago.
If we proceed from the fact that on July 3, the Armed Forces of Ukraine provided data on the killed 230,260 Russians, and today - 249,110, then this figure will be even higher. The ratio of killed to wounded is usually one to three. This is a common practice for counting casualties in war. If you multiply the number of irretrievable losses according to the Russian Defense Ministry by three, you get about a million more wounded Russians. Thus, the number of those killed, wounded and missing in the war in Ukraine is approximately 1.2 - 1.3 million. Therefore, speaking of a million Russian losses, I already underestimated a little.

Look, you either have memory issues or you are retarded. Here's your previous post in this topic:

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/08/05/GPS3l.png

I tend to think it's the latter, because you're typing bullshit from safety of your home instead of protecting your Motherland from the trenches in Donbas.

Quote from: Ozero

An old military cargo ship, built in 1976, I presume, you mean the large landing ship "Olenegorsky miner" that was damaged yesterday at the port of Novorossiysk?
Indeed, it was built at that time and given its serious age, in 2016 it was sent to JSC "33 SRZ" in the city of Baltiysk for a major overhaul, and as it turned out later - for modernization. As the press service of the Northern Fleet of the Russian Federation reported, during the time it was in the repair dock, a significant part of the armament and equipment was modernized on the ship.
The displacement of the ship is 4080 tons, while the length of the BDK is 112.5 m, the width is 15 m and the draft is 3.7 m.
The ship is equipped with:
- two launchers PU MS-73 MLRS A-215 "Grad-M" caliber 122 mm with a range of fire up to 21 km.,
- two twin 57-mm guns AK-725 with remote guidance with a range of up to 13 kilometers;
- one AK-176 installation with a firing range of up to 12 kilometers;
- two AK-630M installations with a firing range of over 8 km;
- four launchers of the Strela-2 portable anti-aircraft missile system.
As you can see, this is a rather large ship with formidable weapons, although it turned out to be defenseless in front of the sea  ​​drone.
Sources:
https://flot.com/nowadays/strength/gornyak.htm

https://focus.ua/voennye-novosti/583598-bdk-olenegorskiy-gornyak-chto-izvestno-o-rossiyskom-korable-kotoryy-popal-pod-udar-v-novorossiyske

The Russian tanker SIG, which was attacked today near the Kerch Strait, is also not exactly a civilian vessel.  This is one of the largest Russian oil tankers, which is capable of carrying almost 5,000 tons of fuel.  In 2019, SIG was sanctioned by the United States for supplying aviation fuel to Syria for a group of Russian troops supporting the dictatorial regime of Bashar al-Assad.
At the same time, it should be taken into account that at the time of the attack, the SIG tanker was in the territorial waters of Ukraine.

Formidable weapons? Another lie! It's just a Navy version of Grad MLRS (designed in 1950s) and a couple of machine guns!  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Ozero on August 06, 2023, 04:20:38 AM


I remember the President of the United States said that the United States would support Ukraine against Russia to the last Ukrainian. Yes, it's the Ukrainian people, not any Americans, LOL.

To be more precise, this is a war of two great powers, but unfortunately, Ukraine has become a pawn on the US chessboard and according to their arrangement. I know that the Ukrainian people are very angry and hostile to what Russia is doing. But if they chained and reevaluated everything, then who would benefit most in this war? it was he who started the war. They're giving aid, they're supplying weapons, that doesn't mean they're trying to help Ukraine, they just don't want the war to end soon so they can get more out of it.
I was surprised to read your words that the President of the United States allegedly said that the United States would support Ukraine against Russia to the last Ukrainian. A logically sane politician, and even more so the president of the United States, could not afford such a statement. Therefore, I dug around the Internet, and found some statements about this, namely:

- Retired American diplomat Chas Freeman, who said that the United States would fight Russia "until the last Ukrainian", as well as the head of the occupation regime of Crimea Aksyonov. Thus, according to Russian protege Aksenov, the United States intends to fight the Russian Federation “to the last Ukrainian” and will sacrifice all of them.
The Russian Gazeta.ru wrote about this.
https://m.gazeta.ru/army/news/2022/03/28/17485021.shtml.

- former US Marine and geopolitical analyst Brian Berletic;
https://russian.rt.com/inotv/2023-07-16/Borba-do-poslednego-ukrainca-i

- as well as political scientist Douglas Bandow, former adviser to the 40th President of the United States;
https://tass.ru/opinions/14402543;

However, they expressed their personal opinions and did not refer to US President Biden or any other former US president. Moreover, their words are given only by Russian channels, so their coverage can be biased and one-sided.

Based on the text of your previous post on the same page, you are for Ukraine to comply with Russia's demands and peace be concluded. Do you know at what cost this will be achieved? Then I will say: some Ukrainians will be killed or tortured in numerous torture chambers, others will be forcibly resettled across the territory of Russia in the most depressed regions, the rest will be tried by very harsh methods to give up the idea that they are Ukrainians. Ukraine itself will cease to exist as a sovereign state. Russia has already included, in addition to the Ukrainian peninsula, Crimea, Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions of Ukraine into the Russian Federation. But the vast majority of Ukrainians are against ceding any of their territories to Russia. The leadership of Ukraine in this case advises the politicians of other states to trade their territories with Russia, and not Ukraine.

However, if in the last resort one had to choose whose influence to fall under, then I, as a Ukrainian, would prefer the influence of the United States than Russia. But Ukraine will defend its territory with all its might and means. I hope not to the last Ukrainian.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on August 23, 2023, 07:32:58 AM
After Russia announced its withdrawal from the "grain agreement" on July 17, it began actively shelling Ukrainian Black Sea ports and trying to destroy port infrastructure and grain storage facilities, and announced the unsafe passage of any ships to Ukrainian ports. In response, Ukraine announced unsafe navigation in five Russian Black Sea ports, and also attacked the port of Novorossiysk with its surface drones, damaging the Russian large landing ship Olenegorsky Gornyak, and after some time the Russian tanker SIG, which was used to supply aviation fuel for Russian military aircraft in Syria. Russia was forced to move its fleet away from the reach of Ukrainian drones, and the attack on Novorossiysk created difficulties for oil supplies from Novorossiysk to other countries.

Now Ukraine is trying to find alternative ways to supply its grain to world markets, but it will most likely not be able to supply its grain in the same volumes. This will drive up the price of grain and create great hardship for poor African countries.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: DrBeer on August 23, 2023, 04:51:59 PM
Do you really think all these billions in aid are being given away for free? The US is in fact at war with Russia right now. Except for no Americans are dying, no bleeding-edge arms are being destroyed etc etc. It's called a proxy war.

Russia has lost a million people? Muahahaha... too much propaganda is bad for your brain (if you have one that is). The entire Russian army, including the non-military personnel is around 1 million. So, I guess, Ukraine has wiped out the Russian army completely!  ;D ;D ;D

I love these lying propagandist shills, they're so funny!  ;D
 

I remember the President of the United States said that the United States would support Ukraine against Russia to the last Ukrainian. Yes, it's the Ukrainian people, not any Americans, LOL.

To be more precise, this is a war of two great powers, but unfortunately, Ukraine has become a pawn on the US chessboard and according to their arrangement. I know that the Ukrainian people are very angry and hostile to what Russia is doing. But if they chained and reevaluated everything, then who would benefit most in this war? it was he who started the war. They're giving aid, they're supplying weapons, that doesn't mean they're trying to help Ukraine, they just don't want the war to end soon so they can get more out of it.


What a cool approach - invent something and pass it off as a "fact", and then proceed from this "fact" as an axiom and build other "facts" on it.

1. Biden did not say that. These were the words of some dubious individuals, and moreover, these were their personal opinions, but not those of the President of the USA.
2. And tell me - do you really think that the attack of Russia on Ukraine in 2014 under the slogan "to protect the Russian-speaking population" (it turns out including me, which I certainly did not ask for), is "a war between two great powers, but unfortunately Ukraine became a pawn on the chessboard of the United States and by their agreement"? Are you serious ? :) Well let me dialog like a normal person - please post your arguments and facts here, I prove it

Well, on topic. Tell me - and food terrorism in Russia - is this your salvation of whom? Well, in your reality? Or, for example, attacks on residential areas and civilian objects? :)

PS I warn you right away - I live in Kyiv, from March 2022 in the Territorial Defense, until December 2022. I saw a lot - Kyiv, Brovary, Irpen, .... So I don’t need to tell fairy tales.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on August 31, 2023, 06:04:35 AM

Russia has lost a million people? Muahahaha... too much propaganda is bad for your brain (if you have one that is). The entire Russian army, including the non-military personnel is around 1 million. So, I guess, Ukraine has wiped out the Russian army completely!  ;D ;D ;D
 
According to the data of the Russian telegram channel "General SVR", which has access to information from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, on August 27, Putin was informed about the irretrievable losses of Russia in the war with Ukraine, namely: 270,079 Russian servicemen and over 76,000 various private military companies, among which is the most famous PMC "Wagner". That is, there are more than 346,000 Russians killed and missing in Ukraine who invaded Ukraine with weapons in their hands. Usually the ratio of killed to wounded is one to three. We multiply 346,000 by three and get the approximate number of wounded Russians in Ukraine. We add up the dead and wounded and we get a figure slightly exceeding a million ...

It is also possible that there are slightly fewer wounded Russians in this war due to the fact that medical care at the forefront of the Russians is very poorly organized, some of the wounded are generally left to die on the battlefield. The bodies are also not taken away so that their relatives do not receive compensation and they are listed as missing. Recently, a Ukrainian drone recorded Russians finishing off their wounded and then dumping them into a pit, dousing them with fuel and setting them on fire. More or less exact numbers of Russian losses in Ukraine will be known after the war and made public by another, not Putin's, government.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: serveria.com on August 31, 2023, 04:15:39 PM

Russia has lost a million people? Muahahaha... too much propaganda is bad for your brain (if you have one that is). The entire Russian army, including the non-military personnel is around 1 million. So, I guess, Ukraine has wiped out the Russian army completely!  ;D ;D ;D
 
According to the data of the Russian telegram channel "General SVR", which has access to information from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, on August 27, Putin was informed about the irretrievable losses of Russia in the war with Ukraine, namely: 270,079 Russian servicemen and over 76,000 various private military companies, among which is the most famous PMC "Wagner". That is, there are more than 346,000 Russians killed and missing in Ukraine who invaded Ukraine with weapons in their hands. Usually the ratio of killed to wounded is one to three. We multiply 346,000 by three and get the approximate number of wounded Russians in Ukraine. We add up the dead and wounded and we get a figure slightly exceeding a million ...

It is also possible that there are slightly fewer wounded Russians in this war due to the fact that medical care at the forefront of the Russians is very poorly organized, some of the wounded are generally left to die on the battlefield. The bodies are also not taken away so that their relatives do not receive compensation and they are listed as missing. Recently, a Ukrainian drone recorded Russians finishing off their wounded and then dumping them into a pit, dousing them with fuel and setting them on fire. More or less exact numbers of Russian losses in Ukraine will be known after the war and made public by another, not Putin's, government.

Haha you forgot to mention one fact: General SVR telegram channel is a well-known news outlet run by CIA, SSU or other "three letter agencies". It has no connection to Russia apart from that it's in Russian language.  ;D

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Law enforcement agencies sent a request to Roskomnadzor, seeking to block the popular political Telegram channel General SVR, which regularly publishes original conspiracy materials about representatives of the Russian political elite. The blocking desired by the security forces is connected with a criminal case on extremism, in which political scientist Valery Solovy was detained and interrogated this week. This is reported by the website of the REN TV channel, which, among other things, contains photographs from a search in the apartment of a former professor at MGIMO.

The Investigative Committee considers Nightingale to be involved in the content appearing on the General SVR Telegram channel. In turn, representatives of the latter previously denied the version according to which Nightingale writes some texts for the channel, which currently has more than 220 thousand subscribers. According to Russian security officials, the channel incites hatred against the Russian authorities and may be under the control of Ukrainian or Western intelligence agencies.

Source: https://www.zaks.ru/new/archive/view/222896

Just to make things clear, earlier this channel published such news as:

- COVID19 was created by Russian scientists in Central African Republic
- President Putin is dead and Russia is being run by a group of "special service" officers and a person appearing in public is Putin's lookalike
- Putin is having health issues and is about to die (first published years ago)  ;D
-  Russia is about to split into multiple independent states (very popular narrative in Western media atm)

 ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on August 31, 2023, 07:33:16 PM

Russia has lost a million people? Muahahaha... too much propaganda is bad for your brain (if you have one that is). The entire Russian army, including the non-military personnel is around 1 million. So, I guess, Ukraine has wiped out the Russian army completely!  ;D ;D ;D
 
According to the data of the Russian telegram channel "General SVR", which has access to information from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, on August 27, Putin was informed about the irretrievable losses of Russia in the war with Ukraine, namely: 270,079 Russian servicemen and over 76,000 various private military companies, among which is the most famous PMC "Wagner". That is, there are more than 346,000 Russians killed and missing in Ukraine who invaded Ukraine with weapons in their hands. Usually the ratio of killed to wounded is one to three. We multiply 346,000 by three and get the approximate number of wounded Russians in Ukraine. We add up the dead and wounded and we get a figure slightly exceeding a million ...

It is also possible that there are slightly fewer wounded Russians in this war due to the fact that medical care at the forefront of the Russians is very poorly organized, some of the wounded are generally left to die on the battlefield. The bodies are also not taken away so that their relatives do not receive compensation and they are listed as missing. Recently, a Ukrainian drone recorded Russians finishing off their wounded and then dumping them into a pit, dousing them with fuel and setting them on fire. More or less exact numbers of Russian losses in Ukraine will be known after the war and made public by another, not Putin's, government.

Haha you forgot to mention one fact: General SVR telegram channel is a well-known news outlet run by CIA, SSU or other "three letter agencies". It has no connection to Russia apart from that it's in Russian language.  ;D

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Law enforcement agencies sent a request to Roskomnadzor, seeking to block the popular political Telegram channel General SVR, which regularly publishes original conspiracy materials about representatives of the Russian political elite. The blocking desired by the security forces is connected with a criminal case on extremism, in which political scientist Valery Solovy was detained and interrogated this week. This is reported by the website of the REN TV channel, which, among other things, contains photographs from a search in the apartment of a former professor at MGIMO.

The Investigative Committee considers Nightingale to be involved in the content appearing on the General SVR Telegram channel. In turn, representatives of the latter previously denied the version according to which Nightingale writes some texts for the channel, which currently has more than 220 thousand subscribers. According to Russian security officials, the channel incites hatred against the Russian authorities and may be under the control of Ukrainian or Western intelligence agencies.

Source: https://www.zaks.ru/new/archive/view/222896

Just to make things clear, earlier this channel published such news as:

- COVID19 was created by Russian scientists in Central African Republic
- President Putin is dead and Russia is being run by a group of "special service" officers and a person appearing in public is Putin's lookalike
- Putin is having health issues and is about to die (first published years ago)  ;D
-  Russia is about to split into multiple independent states (very popular narrative in Western media atm)

 ;D ;D ;D

In Russia, any truth about the war in Ukraine that is inconvenient to the authorities is considered to be discrediting the armed forces and is punishable by imprisonment. Therefore, I am not surprised that political persecution began against the telegram channel "General SVR" (full name: former general of the foreign intelligence service). But the quoted phrase "According to the Russian security forces, the channel incites hatred towards the Russian authorities and may be under the control of Ukrainian or Western intelligence services," as we see, is only an assumption, moreover, a desirable assumption, how Russia's security forces want to see it.

Now let's go through the information allegedly written earlier by this telegram channel.
1. That COVID19 was created by Russian scientists in the Central African Republic. Do you have a refutation of this statement or is there a reliably established involvement in the creation of the coronavirus of other countries or their companies?

2. That President Putin is dead and Russia is run by a group of "special services" officers and the person who appears in public looks like Putin. So more than once evidence has been cited that Putin uses at least five of his doubles, who underwent plastic surgery. Probably, only those who do not want to hear it did not know about it. If Putin has doubles, no one can say for sure whether the real Putin is alive or dead.

3. That Putin has health problems and will die soon (first published many years ago). And this information is correct, everyone has long seen what big problems Putin has with his health. Knowledgeable people say that an ordinary person would have died long ago, but Putin is helped by shamans who attract otherworldly dark forces. It only pushes back the time of Putin's death.

4. That Russia is about to split into several independent states (a very popular story in the Western media). So from February 16 to February 28, 2023, online referendums for self-determination of the republics of the Russian Federation have already been held. Here you can even see a map of the alleged collapse of the Russian Federation.
https://news.obozrevatel.com/russia/referendum-za-nezavisimost-novyie-regionyi-rossii-trebuyut-otdeleniya.htm
The central government is weakening due to the war in Ukraine, and the further separation of the peoples oppressed by Russia is a completely natural process. At the same time, there is not even the Republic of Ichkeria (Chechnya) and Ingushetia, which can separate even faster.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: serveria.com on August 31, 2023, 10:12:34 PM

Russia has lost a million people? Muahahaha... too much propaganda is bad for your brain (if you have one that is). The entire Russian army, including the non-military personnel is around 1 million. So, I guess, Ukraine has wiped out the Russian army completely!  ;D ;D ;D
 
According to the data of the Russian telegram channel "General SVR", which has access to information from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, on August 27, Putin was informed about the irretrievable losses of Russia in the war with Ukraine, namely: 270,079 Russian servicemen and over 76,000 various private military companies, among which is the most famous PMC "Wagner". That is, there are more than 346,000 Russians killed and missing in Ukraine who invaded Ukraine with weapons in their hands. Usually the ratio of killed to wounded is one to three. We multiply 346,000 by three and get the approximate number of wounded Russians in Ukraine. We add up the dead and wounded and we get a figure slightly exceeding a million ...

It is also possible that there are slightly fewer wounded Russians in this war due to the fact that medical care at the forefront of the Russians is very poorly organized, some of the wounded are generally left to die on the battlefield. The bodies are also not taken away so that their relatives do not receive compensation and they are listed as missing. Recently, a Ukrainian drone recorded Russians finishing off their wounded and then dumping them into a pit, dousing them with fuel and setting them on fire. More or less exact numbers of Russian losses in Ukraine will be known after the war and made public by another, not Putin's, government.

Haha you forgot to mention one fact: General SVR telegram channel is a well-known news outlet run by CIA, SSU or other "three letter agencies". It has no connection to Russia apart from that it's in Russian language.  ;D

Quote
Law enforcement agencies sent a request to Roskomnadzor, seeking to block the popular political Telegram channel General SVR, which regularly publishes original conspiracy materials about representatives of the Russian political elite. The blocking desired by the security forces is connected with a criminal case on extremism, in which political scientist Valery Solovy was detained and interrogated this week. This is reported by the website of the REN TV channel, which, among other things, contains photographs from a search in the apartment of a former professor at MGIMO.

The Investigative Committee considers Nightingale to be involved in the content appearing on the General SVR Telegram channel. In turn, representatives of the latter previously denied the version according to which Nightingale writes some texts for the channel, which currently has more than 220 thousand subscribers. According to Russian security officials, the channel incites hatred against the Russian authorities and may be under the control of Ukrainian or Western intelligence agencies.

Source: https://www.zaks.ru/new/archive/view/222896

Just to make things clear, earlier this channel published such news as:

- COVID19 was created by Russian scientists in Central African Republic
- President Putin is dead and Russia is being run by a group of "special service" officers and a person appearing in public is Putin's lookalike
- Putin is having health issues and is about to die (first published years ago)  ;D
-  Russia is about to split into multiple independent states (very popular narrative in Western media atm)

 ;D ;D ;D

In Russia, any truth about the war in Ukraine that is inconvenient to the authorities is considered to be discrediting the armed forces and is punishable by imprisonment. Therefore, I am not surprised that political persecution began against the telegram channel "General SVR" (full name: former general of the foreign intelligence service). But the quoted phrase "According to the Russian security forces, the channel incites hatred towards the Russian authorities and may be under the control of Ukrainian or Western intelligence services," as we see, is only an assumption, moreover, a desirable assumption, how Russia's security forces want to see it.
But doesn't the same apply to Ukraine? Can a person freely share his alternative political views in Ukraine? I doubt it. Good example is a recent ban for foreign journalists to visit the frontlines (they were reporting huge losses of AFU).

Quote from: Argoo
Now let's go through the information allegedly written earlier by this telegram channel.
1. That COVID19 was created by Russian scientists in the Central African Republic. Do you have a refutation of this statement or is there a reliably established involvement in the creation of the coronavirus of other countries or their companies?
Ohh please don't start with these conspiracy theories... nobody knows how COVID19 was created or if it was created artificially at all. So it's pretty stupid to claim how exactly it was created. Why should I refute obvious nonsense? ;D

Quote from: Argoo
2. That President Putin is dead and Russia is run by a group of "special services" officers and the person who appears in public looks like Putin. So more than once evidence has been cited that Putin uses at least five of his doubles, who underwent plastic surgery. Probably, only those who do not want to hear it did not know about it. If Putin has doubles, no one can say for sure whether the real Putin is alive or dead.

3. That Putin has health problems and will die soon (first published many years ago). And this information is correct, everyone has long seen what big problems Putin has with his health. Knowledgeable people say that an ordinary person would have died long ago, but Putin is helped by shamans who attract otherworldly dark forces. It only pushes back the time of Putin's death.

4. That Russia is about to split into several independent states (a very popular story in the Western media). So from February 16 to February 28, 2023, online referendums for self-determination of the republics of the Russian Federation have already been held. Here you can even see a map of the alleged collapse of the Russian Federation.
https://news.obozrevatel.com/russia/referendum-za-nezavisimost-novyie-regionyi-rossii-trebuyut-otdeleniya.htm
The central government is weakening due to the war in Ukraine, and the further separation of the peoples oppressed by Russia is a completely natural process. At the same time, there is not even the Republic of Ichkeria (Chechnya) and Ingushetia, which can separate even faster.
You sure have sources to support your claims?  ;D I guess not. I've heard that in Russia they spread similar nonsense about Ukraine, like pretty much every second Ukrainian is LGBT, that your President is a junkie etc etc. I'm not mentioning this BS here as it's obvious nonsense. Why are you posting this propaganda nonsense here then? You think the readers of this thread are retarded or what?  ;D


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on September 02, 2023, 03:52:32 PM

You sure have sources to support your claims?  ;D I guess not. I've heard that in Russia they spread similar nonsense about Ukraine, like pretty much every second Ukrainian is LGBT, that your President is a junkie etc etc. I'm not mentioning this BS here as it's obvious nonsense. Why are you posting this propaganda nonsense here then? You think the readers of this thread are retarded or what?  ;D
I responded roughly with the same information that you wrote. But the answers to almost all these questions will become obvious in a year or two.

But now I would like to hear your opinion on whether the Armed Forces of Ukraine will reach the Sea of Azov during the autumn months, cutting off the land corridor created by Russia through the occupied territories of Ukraine to Crimea, and whether during this time Crimea will become a trap for the Russian army, turning into an island, when Will the Kerch Bridge be finally destroyed? Well, at the same time, how will they react to this in Russia, because the fact that the front in southern Ukraine is now cracking in many places is hiding from the inhabitants of Russia and this will be a real shock for them?


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: serveria.com on September 03, 2023, 01:23:38 PM

You sure have sources to support your claims?  ;D I guess not. I've heard that in Russia they spread similar nonsense about Ukraine, like pretty much every second Ukrainian is LGBT, that your President is a junkie etc etc. I'm not mentioning this BS here as it's obvious nonsense. Why are you posting this propaganda nonsense here then? You think the readers of this thread are retarded or what?  ;D
I responded roughly with the same information that you wrote. But the answers to almost all these questions will become obvious in a year or two.

But now I would like to hear your opinion on whether the Armed Forces of Ukraine will reach the Sea of Azov during the autumn months, cutting off the land corridor created by Russia through the occupied territories of Ukraine to Crimea, and whether during this time Crimea will become a trap for the Russian army, turning into an island, when Will the Kerch Bridge be finally destroyed? Well, at the same time, how will they react to this in Russia, because the fact that the front in southern Ukraine is now cracking in many places is hiding from the inhabitants of Russia and this will be a real shock for them?

I have a very informative, eye-opening article for you. It's from a person who visited Donbas in person many times. It's in Polish, but I guess you could use Goodle translator:

https://wiadomosci.wp.pl/polak-opowiada-o-tragicznej-sytuacji-w-ukrainie-sprzet-pali-sie-jak-zapalki-6934373478947744a

I will just quote several key points below:

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A Pole about the tragic situation in Ukraine. "They have no one to fight"

For weeks, everyone has been waiting for information about any successes of the Ukrainian offensive. Sławomir Wysocki - a Pole who regularly goes to Ukraine to help, tells how tragic the situation is there. - The human losses are huge. Western equipment burns like matches. It is much worse than is commonly portrayed, he says.

For a long time there have been voices that Ukraine, during its attempted offensive, is beating its head against the wall. Experts say that for two months they managed to penetrate only one of the Russian defense lines. It's not enough to talk about success.

Sławomir Wysocki - a Pole who regularly travels to Ukraine, where he provides soldiers with equipment necessary on the front line, went with members of the "Russian Pursuit" organization to Avdiivka - a city in the eastern part of Ukraine, in the Donetsk region. In an interview with Wirtualna Polska, he says that "the situation was macabre".

"There is no success there"

And he emphasizes that the mood in eastern Ukraine, in Donbass, is bad. - In the spring, at the beginning of summer, they hoped that they would be able to carry out an effective offensive, that they would be able to drive the Russians away. However, there are no successes there. For months, they only penetrated the enemy's first line of defense - estimates Wysocki.

- Human losses on the Ukrainian side are huge. Western equipment burns like matches. It is much worse than is commonly portrayed.

Wysocki says that he recently counted the graves in Lviv. - There are about 100 graves in the old part of the cemetery, some from 2014. There are over 600 of them in the new part. We have about 700 burials from the city of about 700,000. In the villages, this proportion is colossally different. When I drive through them, I see cemeteries along the street. On each of them there are from a few to a dozen new graves. There are flags next to each, it is easy to recognize them - he reports.

- There are over two thousand graves in Kharkov. In addition, there are corpses that have not been found, that have been torn apart in the trenches or are buried in cellars in Bakhmut. These losses can no longer be hidden. Just go and count the graves in Ukrainian cemeteries. The soldiers see it too.

Wysocki also talks about a meeting he had a few days ago, which he describes as traumatic. He spoke to a man in his 60s who was a sergeant in the marines, defending Azovstal. For eight months he was in Russian captivity, lost 30 kg and is now trying to heal as much as possible. - I asked him how it was there. He told me: 'Sławek, like in Auschwitz'. I didn't ask for anything else," he says.
"The Russian army has already learned everything and has caught up with everything"

The last time I spoke with Sławomir Wysocki was at the end of July. Today, a Pole tells me directly: - Two months ago, I was full of optimism about Kupiańska. At the moment, it still manages to hold positions. How long? I don't know. It seems that the Russians are doing everything to get to Kupiansk, where they will take their positions for the spring offensive.

How do the Ukrainians fighting on the front relate to the Russian defense system? "They're terrified," Vysotsky says shortly. - They know that the Russian army has already learned everything and has caught up with everything, they are thoroughly prepared. The Russians have very good engineer troops. The defense system was built by construction companies. It wasn't the peasant who waved the shovel around to build the trench. Companies came, poured concrete, made fortifications in the style of the Maginot Line. And there are three or four of these lines - he adds vividly.

- Ukrainians say that there are five mines on one square meter. You can't put your foot down without one of them exploding.

"They have no one to fight"

Due to such a difficult situation at the front, with more and more victims, are they still willing to defend their homeland? - There are no takers. They are even found in the streets. In Lviv, there are "round-ups" outside the city center, people are taken from the construction site, people enter pubs, where the working class comes to drink beer and people are "gathered" - he says.

- Recently, I witnessed such a situation at the bus station No. 2 in Lviv. Five policemen stood and checked everyone who wanted to leave Lwów. Couldn't explain himself? He was going to the page. They detained eight people - says the Pole.

And he explains that many of the reasons for this situation have their origin in Bakhmut. - It was such a drainage, a meat grinder on both sides ... There is no one to fight. Soldiers say: we have something, and soon we will have no one to fight - these were the voices in May. And now they just don't have anyone anymore.

I'm not hoping this will make your propaganda-infected brain work. You wanted to hear opinions? So here's mine: AFU made a mistake by trying to stop Russia at Bakhmut. They lost most of they most professional and experienced fighters there. AFU will run out of steam in the South this year and it will be the end. Russia will start their offensive on Harkiv next year and the front will collapse. Western allies will try to save the situation by making Zelenski start negotiations but chances are Russia will refuse this time. You can guess what will happen next....


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: gunhell16 on September 04, 2023, 02:51:18 AM
Well, the war that is currently happening in Russia affects the whole world, or all countries. All countries have increased the value of goods when it comes to the market, fuel, and others. That's why the number one thing is that the economy of all countries has been affected, and then the inflation rate goes along with it, so there is an increase in the price of goods in the market, and then other businessmen are taking advantage of the situation where they are hoarding their products to release those that are in short supply. of supply.

So that's not surprising,  it's normal when things like that happen. We know that the pandemic just ended, and then the war in Russia followed. That was the reason for the sudden increase in the supply of crude oil or gasoline at a time when the conflict was just beginning in Russia.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on September 04, 2023, 08:04:30 AM
You wanted to hear opinions? So here's mine: AFU made a mistake by trying to stop Russia at Bakhmut. They lost most of they most professional and experienced fighters there. AFU will run out of steam in the South this year and it will be the end. Russia will start their offensive on Harkiv next year and the front will collapse. Western allies will try to save the situation by making Zelenski start negotiations but chances are Russia will refuse this time. You can guess what will happen next....
Anyway, I listened to your opinion. By the end of autumn, we'll see which of us is right.
The Ukrainians really spent more than two months breaking through the first and most difficult line of defense. But the invaders also spent about 60% of their time and money on the construction of this line of defense. The broken line of defensive positions consisted of a system of interconnected Russian trenches and dugouts, protected by anti-tank ditches and dense minefields. Therefore, it was foolish to throw a lot of infantry and a lot of equipment into its breakthrough. It was a relatively slow and staged work with methodical clearing of large areas. Now the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will go faster, there is already the possibility of maneuver and the use of more equipment and people. Therefore, the APU is going according to plan.

Ukrainians defend their land and their independence. We have no choice or alternative. But what are the Russians dying for in Ukraine? For Putin's imperial ambitions?


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: DrBeer on September 04, 2023, 08:08:59 AM
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So what are these options? Could you come up with a list of a least 5 products or industries which can be sanctioned? I personally can't think of any.
Sovereignty? You must be kidding! Ukraine lost it's independence back in 2014 after the Maidan coup. Right now, it's being heavily subsidized by the west both financially and militarily. Around 40% of Ukraine's budget is foreign aid. Do you really think all these billions in aid are being given away for free? The US is in fact at war with Russia right now. Except for no Americans are dying, no bleeding-edge arms are being destroyed etc etc. It's called a proxy war.
Russia has lost a million people? Muahahaha... too much propaganda is bad for your brain (if you have one that is). The entire Russian army, including the non-military personnel is around 1 million. So, I guess, Ukraine has wiped out the Russian army completely!  ;D ;D ;D
I love these lying propagandist shills, they're so funny!  ;D

1. Before the terrorist war started by Russia, it had the following indicators: "Most of Russia's exports are oil and petroleum products. Also the leading export items are natural gas, timber, mineral fertilizers, machinery and equipment, armaments."
- Oil - sanctions. Effective
- Gas - sanctions. In force
- Forests - Sort of yes, but....Russian forests have been owned by China for many years :)
- Mineral fertilizers - a promising area for sanctions.
- Cars. Well such - Russian quality is the best independent sanction :) And what is more or less qualitative - made on the basis of Western technologies, but.... This is already under sanctions
- Armament! Already officially the supply of military-industrial complex products has fallen by 3 times !
- Gold/Diamonds/Nickel/Copper are promising areas for sanctions.

The rest is not important for the budget of the terrorist country.
I am sure that now more sanctions will be imposed on those companies and countries that help to circumvent restrictions.

2. Coup d'état - a violent seizure of power in a state, inevitably carried out in violation of the constitutional and legal norms in force at the moment, usually with the use of force to seize the centers of state control and the physical isolation of its current leaders.
And now tell me what of the above can be "stretched" to the change of power in Ukraine, caused by the criminal actions of the president in office at the time? Yes, and bring for everyone, the information - about who the power in Ukraine belongs to according to the constitution ? :)


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Odohu on September 04, 2023, 10:44:21 AM
A lot of things have actually changed across the globe following the war in Ukraine with supply chain receiving the major hit. As expected, this have had serious negative impact on many economies. prices of food items have tripled in my country as Russia/Ukraine constitute part of the major producers of fertilizer and wheat. If this trend continues, we might see global emergency in food as many people are already struggling to feed.

I feel the Russian Ukraine war could have been avoided as it is a clear case of proxy war of West with the East. Same scenario is also brewing in West and Central Africa and I hope it does not escalate. As a matter of urgency, the whole world must come together this time to put and end to the war in Ukraine because it is affecting the entire world in no mean way, not forgetting the innocent lives being wasted daily in that avoidable war.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: DrBeer on September 04, 2023, 12:23:08 PM
A lot of things have actually changed across the globe following the war in Ukraine with supply chain receiving the major hit. As expected, this have had serious negative impact on many economies. prices of food items have tripled in my country as Russia/Ukraine constitute part of the major producers of fertilizer and wheat. If this trend continues, we might see global emergency in food as many people are already struggling to feed.

I feel the Russian Ukraine war could have been avoided as it is a clear case of proxy war of West with the East. Same scenario is also brewing in West and Central Africa and I hope it does not escalate. As a matter of urgency, the whole world must come together this time to put and end to the war in Ukraine because it is affecting the entire world in no mean way, not forgetting the innocent lives being wasted daily in that avoidable war.

The main problem with the modern world and economy, is that it has had some participants who are not willing to work by the rules. For whom the rules, principles and agreements are nothing. Therefore, the system, which had been fine-tuned for decades, was not ready for a part of the system to suddenly start breaking all the previously accepted principles and conditions of interaction.
Therefore, the world is now forced to build a more flexible and adaptive scheme of mutual cooperation, taking into account these "mistakes". Of course, the lesson is very expensive, but it was necessary to think a little earlier and lay down mechanisms to protect and prevent such situations



Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: serveria.com on September 04, 2023, 06:56:02 PM
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So what are these options? Could you come up with a list of a least 5 products or industries which can be sanctioned? I personally can't think of any.
Sovereignty? You must be kidding! Ukraine lost it's independence back in 2014 after the Maidan coup. Right now, it's being heavily subsidized by the west both financially and militarily. Around 40% of Ukraine's budget is foreign aid. Do you really think all these billions in aid are being given away for free? The US is in fact at war with Russia right now. Except for no Americans are dying, no bleeding-edge arms are being destroyed etc etc. It's called a proxy war.
Russia has lost a million people? Muahahaha... too much propaganda is bad for your brain (if you have one that is). The entire Russian army, including the non-military personnel is around 1 million. So, I guess, Ukraine has wiped out the Russian army completely!  ;D ;D ;D
I love these lying propagandist shills, they're so funny!  ;D

1. Before the terrorist war started by Russia, it had the following indicators: "Most of Russia's exports are oil and petroleum products. Also the leading export items are natural gas, timber, mineral fertilizers, machinery and equipment, armaments."
- Oil - sanctions. Effective
- Gas - sanctions. In force
- Forests - Sort of yes, but....Russian forests have been owned by China for many years :)
- Mineral fertilizers - a promising area for sanctions.
- Cars. Well such - Russian quality is the best independent sanction :) And what is more or less qualitative - made on the basis of Western technologies, but.... This is already under sanctions
- Armament! Already officially the supply of military-industrial complex products has fallen by 3 times !
- Gold/Diamonds/Nickel/Copper are promising areas for sanctions.

The rest is not important for the budget of the terrorist country.
I am sure that now more sanctions will be imposed on those companies and countries that help to circumvent restrictions.

2. Coup d'état - a violent seizure of power in a state, inevitably carried out in violation of the constitutional and legal norms in force at the moment, usually with the use of force to seize the centers of state control and the physical isolation of its current leaders.
And now tell me what of the above can be "stretched" to the change of power in Ukraine, caused by the criminal actions of the president in office at the time? Yes, and bring for everyone, the information - about who the power in Ukraine belongs to according to the constitution ? :)

I've got good news for you, my little feeble-minded friend, it seems you're finally going to Donbas!  ;D

AFU are going to recruit people with mental diseases: https://www.unian.ua/war/mobilizaciya-chastichno-prigodnyh-kogo-prizovut-v-ukraine-v-2023-godu-12382224.html

A quote (who can get conscripted in Ukraine):

Quote
14th - mild short-term painful manifestations of mental disorders - dementia, amnestic syndromes, personality and behavior disorders due to brain damage;
17th - neurotic diseases associated with stress and somatoform disorders with moderately pronounced, short-term manifestations. These are obsessive states, neurasthenia, phobias, anxiety disorders, obsessive-compulsive disorder, dissociative disorder, amnesia;
21-c - slowly progressive diseases of the central nervous system, for example, Parkinson's disease, multiple sclerosis and other types of sclerosis, polyneuropathy;

But this is probably not due to huge losses but just for fun, right?  ;D



Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: be.open on September 04, 2023, 07:26:14 PM
Today, Putin met with Erdogan in Sochi, discussed everything, but the main topic and reason for the meeting was the resumption of the grain deal. It seems that Erdogan failed to find compelling arguments, and Putin is not inclined to believe unfounded promises and refused to resume Russia's participation in the grain deal until all the conditions of Russia for its renewal were met.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Renampun on September 04, 2023, 08:13:11 PM
A lot of things have actually changed across the globe following the war in Ukraine with supply chain receiving the major hit. As expected, this have had serious negative impact on many economies. prices of food items have tripled in my country as Russia/Ukraine constitute part of the major producers of fertilizer and wheat. If this trend continues, we might see global emergency in food as many people are already struggling to feed.

I feel the Russian Ukraine war could have been avoided as it is a clear case of proxy war of West with the East. Same scenario is also brewing in West and Central Africa and I hope it does not escalate. As a matter of urgency, the whole world must come together this time to put and end to the war in Ukraine because it is affecting the entire world in no mean way, not forgetting the innocent lives being wasted daily in that avoidable war.

friendly countries between the two countries have made every effort to stop the Ukraine vs Russia war but it is difficult to stop a war between countries when each of them has interests that they want to protect and fight for (we can say they are very selfish), my country is far from Europe but the impact of the war between the two countries is quite felt in our country, things disturbance we have felt like the exchange rate of our country's currency, delays in import-export goods and also fuel shortages.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Gozie51 on September 04, 2023, 08:34:02 PM

friendly countries between the two countries have made every effort to stop the Ukraine vs Russia war but it is difficult to stop a war between countries when each of them has interests that they want to protect and fight for (we can say they are very selfish), my country is far from Europe but the impact of the war between the two countries is quite felt in our country, things disturbance we have felt like the exchange rate of our country's currency, delays in import-export goods and also fuel shortages.

Actually the war has lasted more than it was expected the public but Putin seem to have felt it was a long battle and was prepared for it with the way he is still going on. He knows Russia has some important resources that the other European countries rely on and out side Europe like crude oil, grain. That of grain has really caused many food items to sky rocket high. However this is not the reason your country's currency has dropped. It perhaps dropped because of the policies from your government except there are third party trading of your currency to foreign currency like dollar to buy goods at your border, this can cause high exchange rate.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on September 05, 2023, 07:44:05 AM
A lot of things have actually changed across the globe following the war in Ukraine with supply chain receiving the major hit. As expected, this have had serious negative impact on many economies. prices of food items have tripled in my country as Russia/Ukraine constitute part of the major producers of fertilizer and wheat. If this trend continues, we might see global emergency in food as many people are already struggling to feed.

I feel the Russian Ukraine war could have been avoided as it is a clear case of proxy war of West with the East. Same scenario is also brewing in West and Central Africa and I hope it does not escalate. As a matter of urgency, the whole world must come together this time to put and end to the war in Ukraine because it is affecting the entire world in no mean way, not forgetting the innocent lives being wasted daily in that avoidable war.

friendly countries between the two countries have made every effort to stop the Ukraine vs Russia war but it is difficult to stop a war between countries when each of them has interests that they want to protect and fight for (we can say they are very selfish), my country is far from Europe but the impact of the war between the two countries is quite felt in our country, things disturbance we have felt like the exchange rate of our country's currency, delays in import-export goods and also fuel shortages.
I would like to hear from you what is the manifestation of selfishness on the part of Ukraine. The fact that Ukraine continues to defend its freedom and independence and does not want to give Russia part of its territories? Then, in order to quickly end this war, offer Russia the territory of your country, or are you also selfish in this regard?

The international community made very little effort to stop Russian military aggression when, in 2014, Russia militarily seized the Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea and parts of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions. What did they do besides showing concern? Therefore, Putin went further and is trying to capture the whole of Ukraine.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Wend on September 05, 2023, 09:08:53 AM

friendly countries between the two countries have made every effort to stop the Ukraine vs Russia war but it is difficult to stop a war between countries when each of them has interests that they want to protect and fight for (we can say they are very selfish), my country is far from Europe but the impact of the war between the two countries is quite felt in our country, things disturbance we have felt like the exchange rate of our country's currency, delays in import-export goods and also fuel shortages.

Actually the war has lasted more than it was expected the public but Putin seem to have felt it was a long battle and was prepared for it with the way he is still going on. He knows Russia has some important resources that the other European countries rely on and out side Europe like crude oil, grain. That of grain has really caused many food items to sky rocket high. However this is not the reason your country's currency has dropped. It perhaps dropped because of the policies from your government except there are third party trading of your currency to foreign currency like dollar to buy goods at your border, this can cause high exchange rate.

This war will be extended. I think this is not just a war between Ukraine and Russia. This is considered a war between NATO and Russia. President Putin believes that he has carefully prepared for this war and has solved the problem from the countless sanctions that the West imposed on Russia. Putin has launched harsh counterattacks on Western gas and food.
Russia's failure to agree to extend the Black Sea Agreement makes the risk of a global food crisis once again closer than ever.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: DrBeer on September 05, 2023, 09:15:29 AM
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So what are these options? Could you come up with a list of a least 5 products or industries which can be sanctioned? I personally can't think of any.
Sovereignty? You must be kidding! Ukraine lost it's independence back in 2014 after the Maidan coup. Right now, it's being heavily subsidized by the west both financially and militarily. Around 40% of Ukraine's budget is foreign aid. Do you really think all these billions in aid are being given away for free? The US is in fact at war with Russia right now. Except for no Americans are dying, no bleeding-edge arms are being destroyed etc etc. It's called a proxy war.
Russia has lost a million people? Muahahaha... too much propaganda is bad for your brain (if you have one that is). The entire Russian army, including the non-military personnel is around 1 million. So, I guess, Ukraine has wiped out the Russian army completely!  ;D ;D ;D
I love these lying propagandist shills, they're so funny!  ;D

1. Before the terrorist war started by Russia, it had the following indicators: "Most of Russia's exports are oil and petroleum products. Also the leading export items are natural gas, timber, mineral fertilizers, machinery and equipment, armaments."
- Oil - sanctions. Effective
- Gas - sanctions. In force
- Forests - Sort of yes, but....Russian forests have been owned by China for many years :)
- Mineral fertilizers - a promising area for sanctions.
- Cars. Well such - Russian quality is the best independent sanction :) And what is more or less qualitative - made on the basis of Western technologies, but.... This is already under sanctions
- Armament! Already officially the supply of military-industrial complex products has fallen by 3 times !
- Gold/Diamonds/Nickel/Copper are promising areas for sanctions.

The rest is not important for the budget of the terrorist country.
I am sure that now more sanctions will be imposed on those companies and countries that help to circumvent restrictions.

2. Coup d'état - a violent seizure of power in a state, inevitably carried out in violation of the constitutional and legal norms in force at the moment, usually with the use of force to seize the centers of state control and the physical isolation of its current leaders.
And now tell me what of the above can be "stretched" to the change of power in Ukraine, caused by the criminal actions of the president in office at the time? Yes, and bring for everyone, the information - about who the power in Ukraine belongs to according to the constitution ? :)

I've got good news for you, my little feeble-minded friend, it seems you're finally going to Donbas!  ;D

AFU are going to recruit people with mental diseases: https://www.unian.ua/war/mobilizaciya-chastichno-prigodnyh-kogo-prizovut-v-ukraine-v-2023-godu-12382224.html

A quote (who can get conscripted in Ukraine):

Quote
14th - mild short-term painful manifestations of mental disorders - dementia, amnestic syndromes, personality and behavior disorders due to brain damage;
17th - neurotic diseases associated with stress and somatoform disorders with moderately pronounced, short-term manifestations. These are obsessive states, neurasthenia, phobias, anxiety disorders, obsessive-compulsive disorder, dissociative disorder, amnesia;
21-c - slowly progressive diseases of the central nervous system, for example, Parkinson's disease, multiple sclerosis and other types of sclerosis, polyneuropathy;

But this is probably not due to huge losses but just for fun, right?  ;D


I'll save your post in its entirety here so that everyone can "enjoy" the level of your brainpower :)

1. First of all, there is a wonderful saying "Don't judge others by yourself". This is exactly the case :) You have not been taken to Dombabva yet? Or are you hiding in Kazakhstan/Uzbekistan, occupying niche jobs that locals don't go for? :)
2. As always, you could not go further than headlines and propaganda. I suggest you study the order and the description of procedures. You will learn a lot of new things, but you will also be very disappointed :)
3. Your Russia has long been recruiting degradants, criminals, scum of society, with any diagnoses. I can provide photos of "handsome men of the RF army", but this is not a topic for this abomination :)
4. On your Russia - the Ministry of Defense is squealing that "the invincible second army of the world" needs to mobilize 450,000 bodies already in autumn. At the level of the Federation Council they are considering a global mobilization from the fall of 2023 up to 3,000,000 torsos.
"In Russia there is an idea to mobilize three million people for war with Ukraine, said a member of the State Duma Defense Committee, Lieutenant General Andrei Gurulev" - easy to google :)
Everything is going according to plan ? :)

But back from your mental problems, to reality. To the reality in the country "where everything is fine" :)

- Russian Railways and Russian industry will be disconnected from German software
- Restaurants are left without cooks after the collapse of the ruble and the departure of migrants from Russia
- Russians' debts on loans for the first time exceeded 32 trillion rubles
- Ruble weakens in spite of expensive oil, dollar goes above 97 p for the first time since August 16
- "Prices are insane". The cost of gasoline in Russia has soared to new records
- No grain deal, no gas hub. Putin and Erdogan talks ended inconclusively. Did anyone expect anyone to negotiate with an international loser and criminal? Erdogan did well, he put his yataghan on the lips of a pathetic parody of the Fuhrer :))
- Putin said for the seventh time since the beginning of the year that Russia has been "cheated". Actually he couldn't say "Russia was expectedly fucked again as they wanted" :)
- The share of gas from Russia in EU supplies has fallen to 13% in 2 years, oil and oil products to 2% -- Eurostat :)


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: EarnOnVictor on September 05, 2023, 09:53:35 AM
The first thing that comes to my mind every time I read this OP is the laziness of the world entirely, especially in meeting the ever-rising global demand. God by nature has blest the world with everything needed. Is it land, mineral resources, food etc.? To the point that what one country might lack, many others possess and they can interchange with money compensation to the need and betterment of the world.

This is what helps better in intercountry relationship and makes money moves around. But it's so shameful that many countries abandoned what they have and their capability, that's the only reason why the Russia-Ukraine war could affect the world so much to the extent of causing global inflation since it started.

It's not too late for the world to wake up to the challenge. Nonetheless, it's so unfortunate that the poorest countries in the world are most guilty of this. They just turned a blind eye to what could have made them rich.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: DrBeer on September 06, 2023, 12:42:52 PM
I'm not hoping this will make your propaganda-infected brain work. You wanted to hear opinions? So here's mine: AFU made a mistake by trying to stop Russia at Bakhmut. They lost most of they most professional and experienced fighters there. AFU will run out of steam in the South this year and it will be the end. Russia will start their offensive on Harkiv next year and the front will collapse. Western allies will try to save the situation by making Zelenski start negotiations but chances are Russia will refuse this time. You can guess what will happen next....

It certainly sounds like a "balm to Putin's soul" :)
But the reality is different. Half of the captured territories, the so-called "second army of the world, armed with unparalleled weapons", have already been liberated by the AFU "which were completely destroyed in the first weeks of the special operation". :)
Now the AFU has very effectively broken through the "multi-layered" defense of the Russian terrorists in the southern direction, strikes on the European part of the terrorist's country, sinking the fleet, destroying warehouses and headquarters. If you look at the map of combat operations - the only success of Russia against the "huge losses of the AFU" was the capture of 40 square kilometers of the town of Bakhmut in 10 (!!!!) months. In which, by Russia's own admission, Russia lost several tens of thousands of its terrorists - both the regular army and the army of PMC Wagner criminals. By the way, watch what is happening around Bakhmut :)
In Ukraine, about 30-40% of reserves are used on the fronts, and they manage to break through the defense of terrorists and successfully destroy them. Russia is preparing to call up between 450,000 and 3,000,000 million of its expendables this fall - everything is going according to plan :)

And so yes - "they took all of Ukraine in 3 weeks", "Kiev is captured", "the AFU  is destroyed", "goodwill gesture in Kharkiv region and in the south of Ukraine", and other propaganda fairy tales :)





Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: serveria.com on September 07, 2023, 08:17:07 AM
Oh you're still here? Why still haven't joined your compatriots on the Eastern front? You're such a patriot of your country, it's time to put your money where your mouth is and join the glorious AFU! And remember, now they're accepting retarded people so it's legit.  ;D

Quote from: DrBeer
It certainly sounds like a "balm to Putin's soul" :)
But the reality is different. Half of the captured territories, the so-called "second army of the world, armed with unparalleled weapons", have already been liberated by the AFU "which were completely destroyed in the first weeks of the special operation". :)

Could you provide a quote? Who said that? I can't recall anyone saying "AFU were completely destroyed in the first weeks of the special operation".

Quote from: DrBeer
Now the AFU has very effectively broken through the "multi-layered" defense of the Russian terrorists in the southern direction, strikes on the European part of the terrorist's country, sinking the fleet, destroying warehouses and headquarters.

Effectively broken? Muahaha... they have barely reached the first line of the defences. There are 3-4 such extremely well-fortified lines in case you're not aware. That was achieved by using thousands of troops as cannon fodder and hundreds of Western tanks and APCs as moving targets for the Russians. You call that effective? Probably that's why they're begging for more armored vehicles and catching people in the streets to conscript and send to the East.  ;D

Quote from: DrBeer
If you look at the map of combat operations - the only success of Russia against the "huge losses of the AFU" was the capture of 40 square kilometers of the town of Bakhmut in 10 (!!!!) months. In which, by Russia's own admission, Russia lost several tens of thousands of its terrorists - both the regular army and the army of PMC Wagner criminals. By the way, watch what is happening around Bakhmut :)

I'm looking at the map and I can see Mariupol, Melitopol and other coastal cities occupied by Russia. As to Bakhmut, it was supposed to become a symbol of bravery and resistance of the Ukrainian military, something like Ukrainian Sparta. What they didn't realize is that losing so many troops there would lead to AFU eventual collapse.

Quote from: DrBeer
In Ukraine, about 30-40% of reserves are used on the fronts, and they manage to break through the defense of terrorists and successfully destroy them. Russia is preparing to call up between 450,000 and 3,000,000 million of its expendables this fall - everything is going according to plan :)

Again, please post some proof of what you're saying, otherwise it's pure speculation.

Quote from: DrBeer
And so yes - "they took all of Ukraine in 3 weeks", "Kiev is captured", "the AFU  is destroyed", "goodwill gesture in Kharkiv region and in the south of Ukraine", and other propaganda fairy tales :)

That would most definitely happen if not for:
1. US intelligence provided detailed info on when, where and how Russia was going to attack.
2. AFU had been trained by NATO instructors for 8 years
3. Lots of arms provided by the West, including ATMs, drones, fighter jets etc etc
4. Live data from military satellites for intelligence
5. Starlink internet
6. Boatloads of money to pay the AFU and to support the budget
etc etc etc

It's not Russia vs Ukraine it's actually Russia vs World.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: DrBeer on September 07, 2023, 09:24:25 AM
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1. Everything is calm in the east. Pay attention to the south. Why don't you defend the "Russian-speaking population"? :)))
2. Google the propaganda of the Kremlin, Konashenkov, for March 2022 - there they destroyed the Armed Forces of Ukraine 2 times, or even 3 times :)
3. Read the squeals of terrorists in the southern direction, a lot of interesting things :)
4. About Bakhmut and the "complete collapse of the Armed Forces of Ukraine" - tell us more here, and show the dynamics of the advance of the terrorist troops after the capture of Bakhmut? :)
5. I'll give you a task, let your one gyrus work at least a little :)
Now there are 18 combat brigades in the Armed Forces of Ukraine:
- 2 tank
- 8 mechanized
- 1 airborne
- 3 airmobiles
- 1 missile
- 3 artillery
And now, in open sources, find how many are at the front. You subtract the found amount from 18, and then it will be difficult, but use a calculator - you will calculate the percentage :)
6. About 3 weeks, until recently, all the Russian media were squealing, on all channels, then having received 2 demonstrative defeats in Kharkov and the South direction, they immediately changed their rhetoric - they switched to months ... Then they said at all - but we didn’t talk about 3 weeks, the Americans came up with this :) And then, in general, the war drags on, you know, blablabla ...
Well, you also add miserable fallacies :) Now the 128th option is not for the protection of Russian speakers, it is NATO and the whole world is fighting against Russia .. Well, yes, it's a shame to admit that the "second army of the world" gets pizdyuly from a small Ukraine!

Are you ready for a grave in Dombabwe? I can leave a contact - surrender - save your life :)


But from your mental disorders, let's get back to the topic as usual :)

- More than 70% of participants in an international survey believe that Russia poses a threat to peace.
- 1.3 thousand imported drugs disappeared from Russian pharmacies
- The State Duma proposed to collect 2.5 trillion rubles from the Russians in order to patch up the budget. Get your money ready :)
- The shortage of fuel formed in Russia can stop the harvesting and sowing of winter crops, said Minister of Agriculture Dmitry Patrushev. According to him, a week ago there was talk only of high fuel prices, but now the situation has worsened. “We have problems with the availability of [fuel]. We will now stop harvesting, and we will not be weeded out for winter crops. It will be a disaster." Today you eat bread made from coarse grains, tomorrow there will be no more of this :)
- In Russia, data on those who received a disability in the war were classified. Well, yes, why write about 1-2 people, right? :)
- The market for Russian government bonds, through which the Ministry of Finance borrows money to cover the budget deficit, was swept by a wave of panic sales. The Federal Loan Bond Price Index (OFZ) on the Moscow Exchange (RGBI) has been falling for three months almost non-stop, and on Wednesday, September 6, it dropped to 122.34 points, the lowest level since April last year.

"And the rest is a beautiful marquise, everything is fine, everything is fine!" :)


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: terrific on September 07, 2023, 09:36:05 AM
It's not too late for the world to wake up to the challenge.
Not that late but it's too tough as if we've been like this forever.

Nonetheless, it's so unfortunate that the poorest countries in the world are most guilty of this.
Right, despite that the other countries have been recovered already and they're no longer worried about food security. Many of them stays to be uncertain on how it's going to be look like in the next year based on the situation that they're dealing today.

They just turned a blind eye to what could have made them rich.
They can't do so much with it as they've been taken advantage.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: EarnOnVictor on September 07, 2023, 10:20:55 AM
They just turned a blind eye to what could have made them rich.
They can't do so much with it as they've been taken advantage.
I wouldn't agree with this, all the media propaganda that the top-world countries have taken sway of the developing or underdeveloped nations are fallacies, I don't let reporters' reporting skills get into my head because most often some of them are bais. If you look at the settings in African countries for example, you would see that it's a mutual relationship (security, financial aid, political relevance etc.), so why are so many people letting others believe that some countries are cheating others?

Even at all, if some terms and conditions of an intercountry relationship are not okay for a nation anymore, that nation is entitled to decline further cooperation. No one can force any nation from harnessing their potential, only that Africans have not woken up, they've not embraced their leadership capability, creativity and potential, talkless of harnessing their natural resources, including lands to their advantage. And often times, their leaders are too corrupt and are some of the betrayers of their countries for more benefits and to the benefit of foreigners.

So, it's still part of the issues with them, there must be a change of mindset and attitude, and if they have a good leader that has integrity and the fear of God, and who can also shun corruption and could put the nation through, and cause their eye-opening, then better terms with foreigners and greater results as a nation would be achieved.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: DrBeer on September 07, 2023, 11:19:12 AM
..... how will they react to this in Russia, because the fact that the front in southern Ukraine is now cracking in many places is hiding from the inhabitants of Russia and this will be a real shock for them?

Haven't you noticed how propaganda has been preparing Russia's biomass for this final for 3-4 months already?

Now they squeal from every outlet:
- we alone fight against the whole world
- we are not at war with Ukraine, we are at war with NATO
- there is only one Polish, American and other speeches on the air of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - there are almost no Ukrainians left there

This is smooth training. Preparation, so as not to tell the truth in the end: "Citizens of Russia - I was a pitiful stupid liar, we lied about our second army, about unparalleled weapons, about a stable economy. We lost. We are criminals. We will bear responsibility for this ".. The pitiful Kremlin Fuhrer will say "No, well, we were counting on defeating one Ukraine, but here the WHOLE WORLD is against us! And then, you see how we survived! Now you will have to endure another 10-20 centuries, but we will definitely defeat the decaying West! "  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: terrific on September 07, 2023, 02:11:53 PM
They just turned a blind eye to what could have made them rich.
They can't do so much with it as they've been taken advantage.
I wouldn't agree with this, all the media propaganda that the top-world countries have taken sway of the developing or underdeveloped nations are fallacies, I don't let reporters' reporting skills get into my head because most often some of them are bais. If you look at the settings in African countries for example, you would see that it's a mutual relationship (security, financial aid, political relevance etc.), so why are so many people letting others believe that some countries are cheating others?

Even at all, if some terms and conditions of an intercountry relationship are not okay for a nation anymore, that nation is entitled to decline further cooperation. No one can force any nation from harnessing their potential, only that Africans have not woken up, they've not embraced their leadership capability, creativity and potential, talkless of harnessing their natural resources, including lands to their advantage. And often times, their leaders are too corrupt and are some of the betrayers of their countries for more benefits and to the benefit of foreigners.

So, it's still part of the issues with them, there must be a change of mindset and attitude, and if they have a good leader that has integrity and the fear of God, and who can also shun corruption and could put the nation through, and cause their eye-opening, then better terms with foreigners and greater results as a nation would be achieved.
Specific on that nation, as you've said that they can decline such deals and partnerships but why is it that some or majority of it are still taken advantaged and approved.
That's what I think that they can't really do anything with that. Despite that they know that it won't be for the sake of their people but only for some rich folks.
Honestly, we know what's better for each of our nations pertaining certain issues. But the sad part is that, we can just discuss it but the changes won't be applied as it's in the hands of the rulers.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: ndutndut on September 07, 2023, 07:09:54 PM
This war will be extended. I think this is not just a war between Ukraine and Russia. This is considered a war between NATO and Russia. President Putin believes that he has carefully prepared for this war and has solved the problem from the countless sanctions that the West imposed on Russia. Putin has launched harsh counterattacks on Western gas and food.
Russia's failure to agree to extend the Black Sea Agreement makes the risk of a global food crisis once again closer than ever.
This war will last a long time if NATO continues to intervene and the US continues to supply weapons. In the end, the impact of this war made everyone panic and only made third countries hungry, while Putin ensured that food supply to African countries was smooth.
The UN must have the right solution to end this war, the UN must not defend the interests of America and the EU. The UN was founded not to defend one country or a particular group of countries, the UN must be fair and wise in looking at it. And the UN must not be dictated to by a group of countries, the UN must have wisdom in solving problems, not making problems or situations worse.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Fortify on September 07, 2023, 07:53:09 PM
On July 17, 2023, Russia withdrew from the “grain agreement” and officially notified Turkey and Ukraine, as well as the UN secretariat, of its objection to the extension of the “grain deal” for the export of grain and other agricultural products from Ukrainian ports to the world market.

In connection with the termination of the Black Sea Initiative and the curtailment of the maritime humanitarian corridor, from 00:00 Moscow time on July 20, 2023, all ships en route to Ukrainian ports in the Black Sea will be considered as potential carriers of military cargo. Accordingly, the flag countries of such vessels will be considered involved in the Ukrainian conflict on the side of the Kyiv regime, the Russian Defense Ministry said.

Thus, Russia stated that it intends to sink any civilian ships that will be sent to the Black Sea ports of Ukraine. This will greatly complicate the delivery of agricultural products to many poor regions of the world. Due to Russia's sabotage of the "grain corridor" in recent months, the world has not received an additional 25 million tons of agricultural products from Ukraine. In total, 1,002 vessels left Ukrainian ports during the year of this agreement. According to the Ministry of Infrastructure of Ukraine, since the start of the “grain agreement”, more than 33 million tons of products of Ukrainian farmers have been exported to 45 countries of the world.

It is worth noting that after withdrawing from the grain deal, Russia has been attacking Ukrainian ports with missiles and drones for the third night in a row, trying to hit terminals with Ukrainian grain. So, on July 19, 60,000 tons of grain were destroyed in the terminal of the Ukrainian port of Chornomorsk, which was planned to be delivered to the world market two months ago.

With its piracy, Russia is blackmailing the whole world, trying to partially lift sanctions for its military invasion of Ukraine and jeopardizing food security in the world, thereby increasing the threat of hunger in many poor countries of the world.

Russia grows weaker every day they leave the lunatic Putin in charge, and the rest of the world grows stronger. Maybe one day the Russian people will wake up a realize the fool they've left in charge while he's gone senile. Sadly it is the poorest in the world who will be most affected by Putin's actions in attacking one of the biggest grain producers in the world and restricting grain exports during this war. It's funny the leaders in certain African countries praise him, while he kills their people via starvation, but we know they are untouched and living the lives of luxury. The sooner this war ends, the sooner everything can start to heal. Construction is a lot more positive and helpful than the destruction he brought for no reason.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: DrBeer on September 08, 2023, 06:59:34 AM
This war will be extended. I think this is not just a war between Ukraine and Russia. This is considered a war between NATO and Russia. President Putin believes that he has carefully prepared for this war and has solved the problem from the countless sanctions that the West imposed on Russia. Putin has launched harsh counterattacks on Western gas and food.
Russia's failure to agree to extend the Black Sea Agreement makes the risk of a global food crisis once again closer than ever.
This war will last a long time if NATO continues to intervene and the US continues to supply weapons. In the end, the impact of this war made everyone panic and only made third countries hungry, while Putin ensured that food supply to African countries was smooth.
The UN must have the right solution to end this war, the UN must not defend the interests of America and the EU. The UN was founded not to defend one country or a particular group of countries, the UN must be fair and wise in looking at it. And the UN must not be dictated to by a group of countries, the UN must have wisdom in solving problems, not making problems or situations worse.


Please tell me - is the destruction of Ukraine an acceptable option for you to end the Russian terror ?
Putin has provided for African countries ? Are you serious? So the fact that he is trying to "feed" some tame dogs with grain stolen from Ukraine is help ? The fact that now he has ordered the maximum destruction of the port infrastructure in the south of Ukraine in order to disrupt grain shipments, including to those very African countries.
But the good thing is that the CIVILIZED world will continue to help destroy the new brown plague - RASHISM. And we will see the terrorist country collapse, and you will be very surprised, but after its collapse - the whole world terrorism will suddenly collapse !  This is a really interesting fact by the way :) You can even observe in history - as soon as Russia/USSR/RF had really big problems - world terror suddenly began to decline ! :)


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on September 08, 2023, 07:14:18 AM
This war will last a long time if NATO continues to intervene and the US continues to supply weapons. In the end, the impact of this war made everyone panic and only made third countries hungry, while Putin ensured that food supply to African countries was smooth.
The UN must have the right solution to end this war, the UN must not defend the interests of America and the EU. The UN was founded not to defend one country or a particular group of countries, the UN must be fair and wise in looking at it. And the UN must not be dictated to by a group of countries, the UN must have wisdom in solving problems, not making problems or situations worse.
That is, you want to say that the United States and other NATO members should not supply weapons to Ukraine and thus the war will end faster by quickly destroying Ukraine and a significant part of Ukrainians by Russia?

Did you know that on December 5, 1994, the leaders of Ukraine, Russia, Great Britain and the United States signed a memorandum of security guarantees for Ukraine in connection with Ukraine’s accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons? These states, including Russia, pledged not only not to attack Ukraine in order to change its territory, but they themselves were guarantors of the security of such non-aggression by other states. At the same time, Ukraine abandoned the third most powerful nuclear potential, transferred its nuclear weapons, strategic bombers and even long-range missiles to Russia, and now Russia has treacherously violated the terms of this agreement and is firing Ukrainian missiles from Ukrainian aircraft at peaceful cities in Ukraine. The United States and other NATO countries, by now providing weapons to Ukraine, are fulfilling the terms of the Budapest Memorandum on guarantees for the security of Ukraine. Ukraine tried to be an absolutely peaceful state and began to sharply reduce its armed forces. At the time of the Russian attack in 2014, Ukraine had only a few tens of thousands of combat-ready army. But, as it turned out, the proverb that if you want peace, prepare for war remains true. Therefore, the Ukrainian Armed Forces are now one of the best armies in the world with invaluable experience of modern warfare and are successfully beating the Russian “second army of the world.”

The UN is supposed to ensure that countries comply with the UN Charter, which Russia has now completely violated by trying to seize Ukraine militarily. In this war, Russia is the attacking party and the aggressor, and Ukraine is only defending its freedom and independence. For some reason you completely forgot about this. This war will end immediately if Russia withdraws its troops from Ukraine.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: EarnOnVictor on September 08, 2023, 07:24:48 AM
They just turned a blind eye to what could have made them rich.
They can't do so much with it as they've been taken advantage.
I wouldn't agree with this, all the media propaganda that the top-world countries have taken sway of the developing or underdeveloped nations are fallacies, I don't let reporters' reporting skills get into my head because most often some of them are bais. If you look at the settings in African countries for example, you would see that it's a mutual relationship (security, financial aid, political relevance etc.), so why are so many people letting others believe that some countries are cheating others?

Even at all, if some terms and conditions of an intercountry relationship are not okay for a nation anymore, that nation is entitled to decline further cooperation. No one can force any nation from harnessing their potential, only that Africans have not woken up, they've not embraced their leadership capability, creativity and potential, talkless of harnessing their natural resources, including lands to their advantage. And often times, their leaders are too corrupt and are some of the betrayers of their countries for more benefits and to the benefit of foreigners.

So, it's still part of the issues with them, there must be a change of mindset and attitude, and if they have a good leader that has integrity and the fear of God, and who can also shun corruption and could put the nation through, and cause their eye-opening, then better terms with foreigners and greater results as a nation would be achieved.
Specific on that nation, as you've said that they can decline such deals and partnerships but why is it that some or majority of it are still taken advantaged and approved.
That's what I think that they can't really do anything with that. Despite that they know that it won't be for the sake of their people but only for some rich folks.
Honestly, we know what's better for each of our nations pertaining certain issues. But the sad part is that, we can just discuss it but the changes won't be applied as it's in the hands of the rulers.
I should specify??? There are countless of them, but specifically in Africa, you can see many of them in Francophone nations. People should stop pitying these nations as if their hands are tied. As a sovereign nation you have your rights, but will their leaders help the rights manifest due to their selfish gain? That's the issue here. I've even explained what you asked in the earlier reply and be sure that if they say "No" today, it becomes binding and the whole world will support them, even fellow African nations will support them more.

Also, people and media are getting the gist wrongly, or perhaps some media are biased and some would want to say what people want to hear. The agreement with France for example in such nations is bilateral and has mutual gains. France gains with mineral resources at low prices while those countries have security and political gain, including financial aid. And if not for France, I wonder if terrorists wouldn't have taken over most of the West African nations, they don't have what it takes to repel them. But people do forget this. It would have been better if African leaders were not corrupt too, they could negotiate better, but instead, would connive with foreigners to swindle the nation.

Who is to blame?


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Tony116 on September 08, 2023, 07:54:57 AM
This war will be extended. I think this is not just a war between Ukraine and Russia. This is considered a war between NATO and Russia. President Putin believes that he has carefully prepared for this war and has solved the problem from the countless sanctions that the West imposed on Russia. Putin has launched harsh counterattacks on Western gas and food.
Russia's failure to agree to extend the Black Sea Agreement makes the risk of a global food crisis once again closer than ever.
This war will last a long time if NATO continues to intervene and the US continues to supply weapons. In the end, the impact of this war made everyone panic and only made third countries hungry, while Putin ensured that food supply to African countries was smooth.
The UN must have the right solution to end this war, the UN must not defend the interests of America and the EU. The UN was founded not to defend one country or a particular group of countries, the UN must be fair and wise in looking at it. And the UN must not be dictated to by a group of countries, the UN must have wisdom in solving problems, not making problems or situations worse.

But the problem is that the United Nations is also led by the US and all decisions of the UN are also decided by the US, so they cannot act as a bridge to mediate this war. The war has lasted for 2 years and still no one is strong enough to mediate between the two sides. I also believe that the war will not end until America has truly achieved its goals. They even just supplied Ukraine with depleted uranium ammunition, which is known to cause cancer rates and birth defects for generations to come. They want to create more tension by using cluster bombs and now uranium munitions for Ukraine.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Pingrapole on September 08, 2023, 12:15:21 PM
We know that Ukraine is called the breadbasket of the world and most of the world's wheat is produced there, and especially Russia, Ukraine is the world's leading producer of wheat Many countries depend on their food grains, especially Asian and African countries, depending on those two countries to import food Those ports that were allowed to export are on the way to a halt due to Russia's attack, resulting in severe food shortages in the world's poor nations as they are not getting enough food grains.If Russia does not allow the use of Black Sea ports, the scenario is more dire.As a result of this war, various countries are suffering from severe energy crisis Can't produce food, can't fertilize properly, can't transport agricultural products, can't do anything about marketing, resulting in food crisis.Russia's aggressive attitude after another will further disrupt food production, and both Ukraine and Russia will be hampered in their exports, resulting in severe food shortages for poorer countries There will be a food crisis. Most of the countries in the African region depend on the food of these two countries, and the countries in the Asian region such as India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, etc. will face a lot of food crisis because these countries are Russia depends on less or other products.Ukraine's main source of economic strength is its food exports, but due to the war, it is unable to produce and export as much as it wants Russia and other countries to The embargo has been lifted, and they can export food, but Russia is forcing Ukraine to stop doing this through blackmail one after another, and is squeezing from all sides, as a result of which the world Inviting more hungry and other countries playing about food and food and these two countries
Let's say that if we can stop Russian aggression and teach those who supported Ukraine, then hopefully all problems will be solved.As a result of Russia's actions, the global food system is not only shaky but on the verge of collapsing and will create starving conditions in developed countries.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: DrBeer on September 08, 2023, 12:36:03 PM
But the problem is that the United Nations is also led by the US and all decisions of the UN are also decided by the US, so they cannot act as a bridge to mediate this war. The war has lasted for 2 years and still no one is strong enough to mediate between the two sides. I also believe that the war will not end until America has truly achieved its goals. They even just supplied Ukraine with depleted uranium ammunition, which is known to cause cancer rates and birth defects for generations to come. They want to create more tension by using cluster bombs and now uranium munitions for Ukraine.

Tell me - why isn't there a word about in your touching post:
- the destruction of dozens of Ukrainian cities, and thousands of villages
- hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian citizens destroyed. Peaceful citizens. Destroyed in an extremely sadistic manner.
- about the terrorist attacks that led to global economic, human and environmental tragedies.
- Russia's violation of all treaties and laws since 2014.
- the use of prohibited weapons against the civilian population of Ukraine since 2014.

I understand in 1939-1945, you should have been outraged why the US helps Britain sink the German Navy, provides arms to Britain, USSR and other countries ? Is that correct ? Or "that other thing" ? 


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: bestcoins1 on September 08, 2023, 12:59:11 PM
This war will last a long time if NATO continues to intervene and the US continues to supply weapons. In the end, the impact of this war made everyone panic and only made third countries hungry, while Putin ensured that food supply to African countries was smooth.
The UN must have the right solution to end this war, the UN must not defend the interests of America and the EU. The UN was founded not to defend one country or a particular group of countries, the UN must be fair and wise in looking at it. And the UN must not be dictated to by a group of countries, the UN must have wisdom in solving problems, not making problems or situations worse.
The UN definitely has a wiser solution to resolve this problem because the UN itself clearly knows what their role is in this matter so you don't need to think that it is easier for the UN to be dictated to by a group of countries or groups of people who have an interest in this matter. Any war will indeed have an adverse effect on several other important sectors such as the economic sector, so all parties should be able to find a solution to resolve this even though it is more directed at the United Nations, but other parties can also provide a solution as long as it is for the good of all country and not just personal interests.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: |MINER| on September 08, 2023, 03:57:25 PM
It is true that the war between Russia and Ukraine is affecting many poor countries. But we know that any side in a war does a lot to win.  Russia is also trying hard to win.  But as far as I know Russia wants to lift their ban.  And willing to hold a discussion meeting.  The only solution to this problem is a peace agreement between the two countries.  Many 3rd parties here want the war to continue.  Both Russia and Ukraine should come forward to end this ongoing war


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: DrBeer on September 08, 2023, 08:08:29 PM
It is true that the war between Russia and Ukraine is affecting many poor countries. But we know that any side in a war does a lot to win.  Russia is also trying hard to win.  But as far as I know Russia wants to lift their ban.  And willing to hold a discussion meeting.  The only solution to this problem is a peace agreement between the two countries.  Many 3rd parties here want the war to continue.  Both Russia and Ukraine should come forward to end this ongoing war

And you don't want to voice the official Russian demands that they have been trying to slip in for a year now ?
I will tell you - recognition of the occupied territories as Russian territories, refusal to prosecute for Russia's crimes, lifting of sanctions, Ukraine's obligations not to join the EU and NATO, and so on.
Say - if a homicidal maniac breaks into your house, destroys part of your family, steals your money, things, breaks everything in the house, and says - no no, no police, what claims to me, you are to blame for everything! And demand the following - you give me always half of the house, officially recognize me as a friend, and to me on your part no claims will not be, and I will tell you how you live and what you do.
What would you say to that if it affected you in that way? Honestly?


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: serveria.com on September 08, 2023, 08:14:49 PM
Oh look who the cat drug in! You're still here? The Eastern front is waiting! You have to leave immediately and fight for the glory of Ukraine! Remember, they're now accepting retarded people like you!  ;D

Quote from: DrBeer
Tell me - why isn't there a word about in your touching post:
- the destruction of dozens of Ukrainian cities, and thousands of villages

Tell me: where these cities and villages destroyed exclusively by the Russians? It's like AFU is shelling Russian trenches and the Russians are shelling the civilians? What's the point in that? No-one in his right mind would spend ammo to destroy cities instead of the military. Only a bozo like you can suggest something like this.  ;D

Quote from: DrBeer
- hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian citizens destroyed. Peaceful citizens. Destroyed in an extremely sadistic manner.

You're a total liar and a clown:

Quote
Ukraine war civilian deaths cross grim milestone of 9,500
Source: https://efe.com/en/latest-news/2023-08-28/ukraine-war-civilian-deaths-cross-grim-milestone-of-9500/

Or perhaps you wanted to say "hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian troops destroyed"?  ;D That could be a fact. And no source, I'm kinda used to that.

Quote from: DrBeer

- about the terrorist attacks that led to global economic, human and environmental tragedies.
Terrorist attacks like drone attacks on Russian cities? Or environmental disasters like US/Ukraine blowing up Nord Stream? Or economic tragedies like smothering global economy by sanctions? Attacks like that, right?  ;D

Quote from: DrBeer

- Russia's violation of all treaties and laws since 2014.

Like what treaties and laws? Source? Oh wait, I forgot I'm talking to a clown.  ;D

Quote from: DrBeer

- the use of prohibited weapons against the civilian population of Ukraine since 2014.

Like what? You probably mean using depleted uranium ammo and cluster bombs, right? RIGHT?  ;D


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on September 09, 2023, 04:29:52 AM

Tell me: where these cities and villages destroyed exclusively by the Russians? It's like AFU is shelling Russian trenches and the Russians are shelling the civilians? What's the point in that? No-one in his right mind would spend ammo to destroy cities instead of the military.

Russia fires cruise missiles at the entire territory of Ukraine almost every day and launches dozens of attack drones. You can tell different things about where the Russians are aiming, but the missiles mainly hit civilian infrastructure and residential buildings of civilian citizens of Ukraine. Either the Russians have crooked hands, or the Russians’ military equipment is so inaccurate, or they still deliberately shoot in such a way as to cause more harm to the economy of Ukraine and kill more civilians. Just yesterday, on September 8, Russia launched missile attacks on Sumy, Zaporozhye and Krivoy Rog, where civilian infrastructure and residential buildings were hit.
Source:
https://rus.azattyq.org/a/32584034.html

I can also give you an example. On September 6, the Russians fired rockets at the market in the city of Konstantinovka, Donetsk region. The attack took place around 2 p.m., when there were a lot of people in the market. There are 17 deaths and 32 wounded among the civilian population. 28 trade pavilions were destroyed. There were no military targets nearby, that is, the attack was carried out exclusively on civilians. There is already a reaction from officials in the US, Europe and other countries to this terrorist attack.
Source:
https://uatv.ua/takoj-tragedii-gorod-eshhe-ne-videl-posledstviya-rossijskogo-obstrela-rynka-v-konstantinovke-video/

So you are saying that there is no point in such shelling? No one in their right mind would waste ammunition on destroying cities instead of an army? Apparently the Kremlin and the Russian army have not been guided by common sense for a long time, because this has been going on for a year and a half.

In the combat zone in the Donetsk region and southern Ukraine, the destruction by Russians of 70-90 percent of cities and other settlements during their “liberation” has generally become a normal practice. After this war, the numbers and real consequences of the actions of the Russian occupation forces will definitely be announced. Over 71 thousand crimes of the occupiers have already been registered in Ukraine. In due time, they will be announced by the international tribunal when condemning racism.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: DrBeer on September 09, 2023, 09:52:26 AM
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Like what treaties and laws? Source? Oh wait, I forgot I'm talking to a clown.  ;D


...observing your behavior, I am sure you are a resident of Russia :) Nah, well, what else is psychiatry at such a low level, at the level of the Stone Age :)

Here we go, I'll dunk your empty head in reality again.

One simple answer is enough to realize that everything else is also your primitive, habitual, but stupid lie :)

So, before Russia's terrorist attack on Ukraine, the relationship between the countries was described by several fundamental laws and memorandums:

1. "Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation and Partnership between the Russian Federation and Ukraine", dated May 31, 1997

According to the treaty, both countries guarantee the rights and freedoms of citizens of the other country on the same basis and to the same extent as their own citizens, except in cases established by the national legislation of the states or their international treaties.

Each country shall protect, in accordance with the established procedure, the rights of its citizens residing in the territory of the other country, in accordance with its obligations under the documents of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe and other universally recognized principles and norms of international law and the agreements within the Commonwealth of Independent States to which it is a party.

Ukraine and Russia take the necessary measures on their territories, including the adoption of appropriate legislation, to prevent and suppress any acts constituting incitement to violence or violence based on national, racial, ethnic or religious intolerance.

Ukraine and Russia cooperate in the UN and other international organizations, including economic, financial, support each other in joining international organizations and acceding to agreements and conventions to which neither country is a party.

Both sides have pledged to respect each other's territorial integrity and reaffirmed the inviolability of the existing borders between them.

2. Memorandum on Security Assurances in Connection with Ukraine's Accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (Budapest Memorandum) - an interstate document on security assurances in connection with Ukraine's accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. Signed on December 5, 1994 by the leaders of Ukraine, Russia, Great Britain and the United States.

Text of the memorandum
- The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm to Ukraine their commitment, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the CSCE, to respect the independence, sovereignty and existing borders of Ukraine.
-The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, and that none of their arms will ever be used against Ukraine except in self-defense or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.
....
- The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate action by the United Nations Security Council to assist Ukraine as a non-nuclear-weapon State party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons in the event that Ukraine becomes the victim of an act of aggression or the object of a threat of aggression using nuclear weapons.
- The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm with respect to Ukraine their commitment not to use nuclear weapons against any non-nuclear-weapon State party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons except in the event of an attack on them, their territories or dependent territories, their armed forces or their allies by such a State acting together with a nuclear-weapon State or by an alliance agreement associated with it.
...
3. "Helsinki Accords," dated August 1, 1975.
.... and a host of others of lesser significance, but to which the terrorist country was a signatory
...
Sit back, once again stream your shit :))))


PS And what drone attacks are you talking about ?  Are you serious? Well first of all Russia has air defense - which has no analogues, and protects from 430-870% of threats ! And no drone can get through! Secondly, it was Putin who ordered to bombard his citizens - UAVs on Moscow, bombs on Belgorod. There's an internal conflict there ! :)


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Tony116 on September 09, 2023, 09:57:04 AM
-snip

Tell me - why isn't there a word about in your touching post:
- the destruction of dozens of Ukrainian cities, and thousands of villages
- hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian citizens destroyed. Peaceful citizens. Destroyed in an extremely sadistic manner.
- about the terrorist attacks that led to global economic, human and environmental tragedies.
- Russia's violation of all treaties and laws since 2014.
- the use of prohibited weapons against the civilian population of Ukraine since 2014.

I understand in 1939-1945, you should have been outraged why the US helps Britain sink the German Navy, provides arms to Britain, USSR and other countries ? Is that correct ? Or "that other thing" ? 

I really don't want to argue too much because your country is a victim of war, I understand what you are going through. Just like my country in 1945, the British colonialists, then the French and American imperialists invaded my country one after another. But what's worse is that America failed and they used and sprayed dioxin for 10 consecutive years to destroy our entire nation. I think you will easily find the harmful effects of that deadly poison.

There is no good country, everything is for their national interests and power. So don't try to idolize or worship any country, especially great powers. Don't worship them more than your parents. We also need to recognize the cause of the problem, not to be led by the nose or become a pawn for others.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dioxin


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: DrBeer on September 09, 2023, 10:27:12 AM
-snip

Tell me - why isn't there a word about in your touching post:
- the destruction of dozens of Ukrainian cities, and thousands of villages
- hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian citizens destroyed. Peaceful citizens. Destroyed in an extremely sadistic manner.
- about the terrorist attacks that led to global economic, human and environmental tragedies.
- Russia's violation of all treaties and laws since 2014.
- the use of prohibited weapons against the civilian population of Ukraine since 2014.

I understand in 1939-1945, you should have been outraged why the US helps Britain sink the German Navy, provides arms to Britain, USSR and other countries ? Is that correct ? Or "that other thing" ?  

I really don't want to argue too much because your country is a victim of war, I understand what you are going through. Just like my country in 1945, the British colonialists, then the French and American imperialists invaded my country one after another. But what's worse is that America failed and they used and sprayed dioxin for 10 consecutive years to destroy our entire nation. I think you will easily find the harmful effects of that deadly poison.

There is no good country, everything is for their national interests and power. So don't try to idolize or worship any country, especially great powers. Don't worship them more than your parents. We also need to recognize the cause of the problem, not to be led by the nose or become a pawn for others.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dioxin

But I do not propose to argue, I am stating the facts of crimes committed by a terrorist country - Russia! And also the fact that many countries in the developed West are fulfilling their human duty in the fight against RASCHISM.
A significant part of the charges have already been recognized at the official international level, including a crime, a copy of the Nazi regime, the abduction and removal of children from occupied territories, for which a certain Putin V, V, is wanted by the International CRIMINAL Tribunal in The Hague.
What is there to argue about? The court ruled and the international community recognized the crimes.

And the most important thing is that Russia has shown the whole world that it is possible to violate international agreements and destabilize the security of not only the region but also the whole world, if some regime has the right not to bear responsibility and punishment! Plus, most likely, after the defeat of Russia, the world will reconsider the work and expediency of some international organizations that can only receive money but not fulfill their obligations, such as the UN, the Red Cross and many other “impotent” structures


Is this your post?

But the problem is that the United Nations is also led by the US and all decisions of the UN are also decided by the US, so they cannot act as a bridge to mediate this war. The war has lasted for 2 years and still no one is strong enough to mediate between the two sides. I also believe that the war will not end until America has truly achieved its goals. They even just supplied Ukraine with depleted uranium ammunition, which is known to cause cancer rates and birth defects for generations to come. They want to create more tension by using cluster bombs and now uranium munitions for Ukraine.


Here you don’t say a word about the fact that the initiator and aggressor is Russia, and Ukraine is defending itself, and it is being helped not only by the United States but by the whole world. Moreover, the United States and Britain are fulfilling their obligations under the Budapest Memorandum. But you blame the United States for this war and for supporting Ukraine’s weapons. This is really an absolutely controversial idea


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on September 19, 2023, 11:39:22 AM
This war will last a long time if NATO continues to intervene and the US continues to supply weapons. In the end, the impact of this war made everyone panic and only made third countries hungry, while Putin ensured that food supply to African countries was smooth.
The UN must have the right solution to end this war, the UN must not defend the interests of America and the EU. The UN was founded not to defend one country or a particular group of countries, the UN must be fair and wise in looking at it. And the UN must not be dictated to by a group of countries, the UN must have wisdom in solving problems, not making problems or situations worse.
Putin and his troops continue to bomb and shell Ukraine’s Black Sea port infrastructure, elevators and grain storage facilities. Thus, Putin is deliberately creating a shortage of grain that will not reach world markets, and this, in turn, will increase prices. Doesn't this bother you? Is this how Putin ensures uninterrupted food supplies to African countries? Or by taking stolen grain from the occupied territories of Ukraine and trying to sell it to third countries?


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: serveria.com on September 19, 2023, 09:54:56 PM

Tell me: where these cities and villages destroyed exclusively by the Russians? It's like AFU is shelling Russian trenches and the Russians are shelling the civilians? What's the point in that? No-one in his right mind would spend ammo to destroy cities instead of the military.

Russia fires cruise missiles at the entire territory of Ukraine almost every day and launches dozens of attack drones. You can tell different things about where the Russians are aiming, but the missiles mainly hit civilian infrastructure and residential buildings of civilian citizens of Ukraine. Either the Russians have crooked hands, or the Russians’ military equipment is so inaccurate, or they still deliberately shoot in such a way as to cause more harm to the economy of Ukraine and kill more civilians. Just yesterday, on September 8, Russia launched missile attacks on Sumy, Zaporozhye and Krivoy Rog, where civilian infrastructure and residential buildings were hit.
Source:
https://rus.azattyq.org/a/32584034.html

I can also give you an example. On September 6, the Russians fired rockets at the market in the city of Konstantinovka, Donetsk region. The attack took place around 2 p.m., when there were a lot of people in the market. There are 17 deaths and 32 wounded among the civilian population. 28 trade pavilions were destroyed. There were no military targets nearby, that is, the attack was carried out exclusively on civilians. There is already a reaction from officials in the US, Europe and other countries to this terrorist attack.
Source:
https://uatv.ua/takoj-tragedii-gorod-eshhe-ne-videl-posledstviya-rossijskogo-obstrela-rynka-v-konstantinovke-video/

So you are saying that there is no point in such shelling? No one in their right mind would waste ammunition on destroying cities instead of an army? Apparently the Kremlin and the Russian army have not been guided by common sense for a long time, because this has been going on for a year and a half.

Bad news for you, troll: it was a Ukrainian missile. It's actually AFU destroying their own citizens! 

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But evidence collected and analyzed by The New York Times, including missile fragments, satellite imagery, witness accounts and social media posts, strongly suggests the catastrophic strike was the result of an errant Ukrainian air defense missile fired by a Buk launch system.

The attack appears to have been a tragic mishap. Air defense experts say missiles like the one that hit the market can go off course for a variety of reasons, including an electronic malfunction or a guidance fin that is damaged or sheared off at the time of launch.

Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/18/world/europe/ukraine-missile-kostiantynivka-market.html

There are also reports of other incidents involving air defence systems in Ukraine, when missiles miss aircraft or enemy rocket and hit residential buildings. But I guess Russia is to blame for poor skills of AFU personnel?   ;D


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: DrBeer on September 20, 2023, 07:12:48 PM
The situation is changing. It was necessary to put StormShadow in Ukraine, as the Black Sea fleet of the "second army of the world", staggered, and some even went to the bottom :) After that, the "terrible, invincible and unparalleled" remaining fleet of the terrorist country, cowardly moved to the Sea of Azov, and now has completely forgotten about its formidable promises to "consider any ships going to Ukrainian ports as those that carry weapons", and quietly sits in the docks and harbors :)
I have been saying for a long time - terrorists should be simply destroyed, and they become "quiet and calm".

PS About the Sea of Azov - and here a new surprise awaits the fleet of the terrorist country.... but about it a little later :)


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on September 23, 2023, 01:35:07 PM

There are also reports of other incidents involving air defence systems in Ukraine, when missiles miss aircraft or enemy rocket and hit residential buildings. But I guess Russia is to blame for poor skills of AFU personnel?   ;D
If a Ukrainian missile malfunctions for some reason and falls somewhere else instead of the target and kills Ukrainian citizens, the root cause of all these deaths is still Russia. The Russian army treacherously invaded the territory of Ukraine, causing destruction and death to military and civilians in Ukraine. If it were not for the Russian military attack, the Ukrainian missile would not have been fired and there would not have been the accidental deaths that periodically happen in all wars.

  Now let’s return to the grain deal terminated by Russia. It seems that the joy of Russians over Russia’s refusal to participate in the “grain deal” is premature. This is now noted even by collaborators and traitors of Ukraine, who admit that the refusal of the grain deal was a strategic mistake of the Kremlin, for which the Russian Black Sea Fleet is now paying. As Odessa collaborator and traitor to Ukraine Igor Dimitriev writes in his telegram, the Russian Black Sea Fleet is now “systematically being expelled from the annexed Crimea... The Russian Black Sea Fleet in Crimea is now paying for the Kremlin’s action, which is almost daily subjected to attacks from Ukrainian missiles and drones...Ukraine is seeking the withdrawal of the Black Sea Fleet to Novorossiysk, which will expose the Crimean coast and allow the landing of small sabotage groups... After this, Novorossiysk itself will come under attack. This will create serious economic problems - a significant part of Russian grain and oil exports goes through Novorossiysk. Replacing this route is very complicated. Following Ukrainian grain exports, Russian grain exports may collapse. The joy from the termination of the deal was premature," Dimitriev complained. Source: https://www.dialog.ua/war/281658_1695457429

Russia felt its first serious loss in the Black Sea on March 24, 2022. On this day, one of the largest landing ships of the Russian Navy, Saratov, was disabled by a Tochka-U missile in the port of Berdyansk. Several more landing ships - Novocherkassk, Orsk and Tsezar Kunikov - were damaged.

  On April 13, 2022, the Ukrainian army dealt a crushing blow to the flagship missile cruiser Moskva with a Ukrainian shore-based cruise missile Neptune. The cruiser caught fire and sank to the bottom. At least 37 sailors were killed and about 100 were injured.

On June 17, 2022, the Ukrainian army destroyed the Russian tug Vasily Bekh, which was carrying the Tor anti-aircraft missile system. And on October 29, the new Russian flagship frigate Admiral Makarov, the minesweeper Ivan Golubets and another ship were damaged in the Bay of Sevastopol.

In addition, the Ukrainian army has damaged five more Russian ships in the Black Sea in just the last few weeks—in fact, 10% of the entire fleet based there.

Thus, on the night of September 12-13, a missile strike was carried out on the invaders’ dry dock in Sevastopol. The targets were the large landing ship Minsk and the diesel-electric submarine Rostov-on-Don, one of four submarines of the Black Sea Fleet that carries Kalibr cruise missiles. As a result of the attack, the Minsk lost almost its entire superstructure, and the submarine received two large holes in its hull from a direct hit from missiles.

On September 14, information appeared about new attacks on Russian ships in the Black Sea. The Ukrainian Armed Forces reported that the Ukrainian Defense Forces damaged two Project 22160 patrol ships of the Vasily Bykov type. And on Friday, September 15, an experimental SBU drone shot down the Russian missile ship Samum near Sevastopol Bay. The impact hit the rear of the ship. The ship received significant damage and lost speed. As a result, the occupiers had to tow the Samum for repairs with a large trim to the stern and a list to starboard. Source: https://focus.ua/eksklyuzivy/593217-rossiyskie-korabli-v-lovushke-kogda-ukraina-smozhet-unichtozhit-chernomorskiy-flot

On the night of September 14, military counterintelligence of the Security Service of Ukraine and the Ukrainian Navy destroyed the Russian S-400 Triumph air defense system near Yevpatoria in annexed Crimea, worth $1.2 billion. First, drones hit the target, hitting the complex's radars and antennas, and then the Ukrainian military launched two Neptune cruise missiles at the launch complexes. This is already the loss of the second S-400 Triumph complex out of six deployed on the occupied Crimean peninsula, which Russia considered impregnable.

Regular strikes against Russian air defenses and airfields in Crimea now allow the Ukrainian Armed Forces to launch precise strikes against other Russian targets and control points.
Thus, on September 22, during a meeting at the headquarters of the Russian Black Sea Fleet in the center of occupied Sevastopol, several missile strikes were carried out, as a result of which the building was penetrated from the roof to the basement. After the strike, the commander of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, Admiral Sokolov, was listed as missing, and among the wounded were the commander of the group, Colonel General Romanchuk, and the chief of staff, Lieutenant General Tsekov.

https://www.svoboda.org/a/po-shtabu-chernomorskogo-flota-v-sevastopole-udarili-raketoy/32604638.html
https://news.online.ua/budanov-nazval-poteri-rossiyan-posle-udara-po-shtabu-chf-rf-sredi-ranenyh-generaly_n864521/


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Ozero on October 01, 2023, 11:04:04 AM
After the unilateral withdrawal of the Russian Federation from the grain agreement and reaching an agreement on the continuation of the export of Ukrainian food by the remaining three parties - Ukraine, Turkey and the UN, 12 ships with grain left Ukrainian ports. This was announced on Twitter on Monday, October 31, by the Minister of Infrastructure of Ukraine Alexander Kubrakov.

According to him, the UN and Turkish delegations are providing 10 groups of inspectors to inspect 40 ships as part of the grain initiative. Kubrakov indicated that the inspection plan for dry cargo ships was accepted by the Ukrainian side, and the Russian delegation was informed. In particular, the ship Ikaria Angel, carrying 40 thousand tons of grain, left Ukraine. Among other things, the exported food is intended for the residents of Ethiopia, who are faced with a real threat of famine, Kubrakov further said.

Although Russia continues to bomb and shell Ukraine's port infrastructure in the Black Sea in an effort to destroy the grain there and destroy the ability to supply it through the ports, Ukrainian attacks, especially by naval drones on the Russian Black Sea Fleet, have forced Russia to hide its warships away from Ukraine and the lack of " "Russian pirates" allows Ukraine to export its agricultural products almost freely.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: serveria.com on October 06, 2023, 04:36:29 PM
Meanwhile, Turkish cargo ship gets hit by a Ukrainian mine:

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LONDON, Oct 5 (Reuters) - A Turkish-flagged general cargo ship hit a mine on Thursday in the Black Sea off the coast of Romania and sustained minor damage but the crew was safe, maritime and security sources said.

British maritime security company Ambrey, citing information it received, said the ship struck a sea mine 11 nautical miles north of Sulina in Romania, near the entrance to the Sulina Canal.

Source: https://www.reuters.com/world/turkish-cargo-ship-hits-mine-black-sea-sustains-minor-damage-2023-10-05/

This will undoubtedly have an impact on vessel insurance prices and worsen the grain crisis. Ukraine refused to comment, only mentioning "WW2 mines or mines left from last year's efforts to protect the ports from Russian assaults".


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: STT on October 06, 2023, 04:52:36 PM
Putins war reminds me of Sadams invasion of Kuwait for a seemingly easy victory and also the Iran Iraq war which filled the sea with mines also making it dangerous for all.  Russian supplied weapons and supported militia have already shot down a neutral passenger plane and similar failures have occurred in the middle east because of the ongoing tensions and violence causing the deaths of those without link to that fight.  
  There is no gain for either side in each battle only an exchange of losses with the chaos of death for anyone nearby also.  Russia I believe will be careful with the African nations not to upset those possible allies and upset the whole world with an aimless war thats already lost Russia much on every front.
  EU markets are impacted by the lack of transport by water meaning grain is far in excess supply by land to any nearby nation.  As Ukraine is wanting to join EU Im sure they will try to avoid upsetting that market but its also a natural effect of an inability to supply their normal global markets.  Many other negative effects as well as that, trucks cannot replace the massive cargo ships anyhow.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Porfirii on October 06, 2023, 05:03:56 PM
Meanwhile, Turkish cargo ship gets hit by a Ukrainian mine:

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LONDON, Oct 5 (Reuters) - A Turkish-flagged general cargo ship hit a mine on Thursday in the Black Sea off the coast of Romania and sustained minor damage but the crew was safe, maritime and security sources said.

British maritime security company Ambrey, citing information it received, said the ship struck a sea mine 11 nautical miles north of Sulina in Romania, near the entrance to the Sulina Canal.

Source: https://www.reuters.com/world/turkish-cargo-ship-hits-mine-black-sea-sustains-minor-damage-2023-10-05/

This will undoubtedly have an impact on vessel insurance prices and worsen the grain crisis. Ukraine refused to comment, only mentioning "WW2 mines or mines left from last year's efforts to protect the ports from Russian assaults".

Those are small events that have a great impact at a macroeconomic level. If the damage was minor and everybody was safe, if it has happened in a route that is frequently traveled so the probabilities to happen again are minimal, why should vessel insurance prices and, therefore, grain prices be impacted? my two cents: because there are important economic interest in that happening. In the end, the citizens will pay for it, for the enrichment of a few.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on October 07, 2023, 07:00:12 AM
Meanwhile, Turkish cargo ship gets hit by a Ukrainian mine:

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LONDON, Oct 5 (Reuters) - A Turkish-flagged general cargo ship hit a mine on Thursday in the Black Sea off the coast of Romania and sustained minor damage but the crew was safe, maritime and security sources said.

British maritime security company Ambrey, citing information it received, said the ship struck a sea mine 11 nautical miles north of Sulina in Romania, near the entrance to the Sulina Canal.

Source: https://www.reuters.com/world/turkish-cargo-ship-hits-mine-black-sea-sustains-minor-damage-2023-10-05/

This will undoubtedly have an impact on vessel insurance prices and worsen the grain crisis. Ukraine refused to comment, only mentioning "WW2 mines or mines left from last year's efforts to protect the ports from Russian assaults".
In this message, you clearly indicated that a Turkish cargo ship was blown up by a Ukrainian mine, and that: “Ukraine refused to comment, only mentioning “WW2 mines or mines left from last year's efforts to protect the ports from Russian assaults.” However, in the text of the article, on which you refer to, this is not the case. In this article, Reuters refers to information from the British maritime security company Ambrey, and regarding the commentary of the Ukrainian representative, it states: "A Ukrainian government source confirmed a vessel had struck a mine, adding it was "probably a World War II mine, or the landing mines that were left there last year", falling further comment". Moreover, the text of the article you are referring to indicates that this sea mine could have been installed by the Russian military: "Russia may use sea mines to target civilian shipping in the Black Sea, including by laying them on the approach to Ukrainian ports, the British government said on Wednesday citing intelligence. Ambrey said on Thursday the incident occurred on the same day that the company "informed its clients of a likely additional sea mine deployment by the Russian navy conducted to frustrate Ukraine's grain exports."
You claim that the mine on which the Turkish cargo ship was blown up is Ukrainian, which does not correspond to the text of this article.

You indicated, with reference to a representative of Ukraine, that the mine remained from last year’s efforts to protect ports from Russian attacks, which is also illogical. After the flagship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, the missile cruiser Moskva, was scuttled by the Ukrainian Armed Forces on April 14, 2022, with two Ukrainian Neptune missiles, since then Russian warships have been afraid to come close to the shores of Ukraine, which means that since then it has made no sense to the Ukrainians lay mines to protect their ports. It turns out that for the last year and a half, no one has been blown up by Ukrainian mines, and as soon as Russia began to impede the export of Ukrainian grain along the Danube and attack this particular route off the Romanian coast with missiles and drones, suddenly Ukrainian mines that were installed a year and a half ago appeared, sailing all the way from the waters of the Black Sea ports Ukraine. It’s completely illogical, given that Russia is now interested in installing such mines.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: serveria.com on October 07, 2023, 11:28:51 AM
Meanwhile, Turkish cargo ship gets hit by a Ukrainian mine:

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LONDON, Oct 5 (Reuters) - A Turkish-flagged general cargo ship hit a mine on Thursday in the Black Sea off the coast of Romania and sustained minor damage but the crew was safe, maritime and security sources said.

British maritime security company Ambrey, citing information it received, said the ship struck a sea mine 11 nautical miles north of Sulina in Romania, near the entrance to the Sulina Canal.

Source: https://www.reuters.com/world/turkish-cargo-ship-hits-mine-black-sea-sustains-minor-damage-2023-10-05/

This will undoubtedly have an impact on vessel insurance prices and worsen the grain crisis. Ukraine refused to comment, only mentioning "WW2 mines or mines left from last year's efforts to protect the ports from Russian assaults".
In this message, you clearly indicated that a Turkish cargo ship was blown up by a Ukrainian mine, and that: “Ukraine refused to comment, only mentioning “WW2 mines or mines left from last year's efforts to protect the ports from Russian assaults.” However, in the text of the article, on which you refer to, this is not the case. In this article, Reuters refers to information from the British maritime security company Ambrey, and regarding the commentary of the Ukrainian representative, it states: "A Ukrainian government source confirmed a vessel had struck a mine, adding it was "probably a World War II mine, or the landing mines that were left there last year", falling further comment". Moreover, the text of the article you are referring to indicates that this sea mine could have been installed by the Russian military: "Russia may use sea mines to target civilian shipping in the Black Sea, including by laying them on the approach to Ukrainian ports, the British government said on Wednesday citing intelligence. Ambrey said on Thursday the incident occurred on the same day that the company "informed its clients of a likely additional sea mine deployment by the Russian navy conducted to frustrate Ukraine's grain exports."
You claim that the mine on which the Turkish cargo ship was blown up is Ukrainian, which does not correspond to the text of this article.

You indicated, with reference to a representative of Ukraine, that the mine remained from last year’s efforts to protect ports from Russian attacks, which is also illogical. After the flagship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, the missile cruiser Moskva, was scuttled by the Ukrainian Armed Forces on April 14, 2022, with two Ukrainian Neptune missiles, since then Russian warships have been afraid to come close to the shores of Ukraine, which means that since then it has made no sense to the Ukrainians lay mines to protect their ports. It turns out that for the last year and a half, no one has been blown up by Ukrainian mines, and as soon as Russia began to impede the export of Ukrainian grain along the Danube and attack this particular route off the Romanian coast with missiles and drones, suddenly Ukrainian mines that were installed a year and a half ago appeared, sailing all the way from the waters of the Black Sea ports Ukraine. It’s completely illogical, given that Russia is now interested in installing such mines.

Well it's obvious that it's a Ukrainian mine just take a look at the map of the are where it happened. Landing or anti-landing mines are used to protect the coast from enemy landing. Can you see any Russia-controlled coastal areas around the place where the incident happened?  ;D

Try to use your brain a bit, too much propaganda is bad for your brain.  ;D

And finally, even if it really was a Russian mine, it's even worse news for the grain logistics in the area.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: pooya87 on October 07, 2023, 01:07:53 PM
Putins war reminds me of Sadams invasion of Kuwait for a seemingly easy victory and also the Iran Iraq war which filled the sea with mines also making it dangerous for all.  Russian supplied weapons and supported militia have already shot down a neutral passenger plane and similar failures have occurred in the middle east because of the ongoing tensions and violence causing the deaths of those without link to that fight. 
The similarities are pretty weak while the differences are so massive that you can't even begin to compare the two. :)

In the 80's Saddam as the invader was backed by both US and Russia and also NATO specially when it came to full scale invasion of Iran, it was more than 60 countries that helped invade Iran.
In comparison there are about 60 countries helping Ukraine defend against invasion!

Even the air and naval war was vastly different.
After the invasion had failed despite NATO's help for years, US decided to take the war to the sea specially because in comparison to US Navy, Iran didn't have much back in the 80's, just a couple of light warships and fast-boats.
The passenger plane United States shot down (Iran Air Flight 655) wasn't some militia making a mistake, it was an official order from Washington to shoot it down by the US Navy (specifically the USS Vincennes) in response to Iran sinking the USN destroyer (USS Samuel B. Roberts). They even awarded Vincennes captain with Legion of Merit medal for murdering civilians!!!


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: stompix on October 07, 2023, 01:40:11 PM
in response to Iran sinking the USN destroyer (USS Samuel B. Roberts). They even awarded Vincennes captain with Legion of Merit medal for murdering civilians!!!

Here we go with the Iranian propaganda and lies, how did a sunken vessel in the 1988 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Samuel_B._Roberts_(FFG-58)) manage to sail for two more decades and be decomissioned in 2015? In reality, the US Navy sank half of the Iranian navy in Operation Praying Mantis in a couple of hours, just as it would do right now.

And speaking of civilian aircrafts, no words for how your incompetent IRCG terrorists shot down a civilian airplane that was taking off from your own airport killing hundreds?  

If it were for Pooya and his terrorist propaganda Iran has already sunk more US carriers than all the countries in the world have built to date, and also inflicted damage of quadrilions of dollars. Again, in reality, the Iran forces fly USA-manufactured aircraft from the '60, the Iranian navy has ships built in the '70 and '60 in Europe and US and their GDP per capita rivals Zimbabwe.The only thing Iran can threaten and murder is innocent civilians not wearing a headscarf!

And here we still have someone who thinks Iran is some kind of regional power!




Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on October 07, 2023, 03:58:06 PM

Well it's obvious that it's a Ukrainian mine just take a look at the map of the are where it happened. Landing or anti-landing mines are used to protect the coast from enemy landing. Can you see any Russia-controlled coastal areas around the place where the incident happened?  ;D

Try to use your brain a bit, too much propaganda is bad for your brain.  ;D

And finally, even if it really was a Russian mine, it's even worse news for the grain logistics in the area.
Sea mines can be used not only to protect the sea coast from enemy landings, but also to intimidate any shipping in a certain area of the sea. Previously, Russia frightened Ukraine and the whole world with its Black Sea Fleet, and it was with the help of its military fleet in the Black Sea that it blocked the supply of agricultural products from Ukraine to the world market. However, after the Ukrainian Armed Forces launched a missile attack on a dry dock in Sevastopol on September 13 and destroyed the Russian large landing ship Minsk and the Rostov-on-Don submarine, Russia transferred at least 10 ships from Sevastopol to Novorossiysk away from the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Among them, the frigates Admiral Makarov and Admiral Essen, three diesel submarines, five landing ships and several small missile ships were withdrawn from Crimea.
https://tsn.ua/ru/ato/rossiya-vyvodit-svoi-korabli-iz-kryma-analitiki-obyasnili-chego-boyatsya-okkupanty-2423728.html

Since Russian missile and drone attacks on the Danube ports of Ukraine do not produce the desired effect, and Russia hides its Black Sea Fleet even further, sea mines are another factor in intimidating civilian shipping so that they do not export grain from Ukraine, and you correctly noted this. An aggressor country and a terrorist country, Russia continues to increase the number of its bloody crimes.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: DrBeer on October 14, 2023, 09:50:07 AM
Meanwhile, Turkish cargo ship gets hit by a Ukrainian mine:
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LONDON, Oct 5 (Reuters) - A Turkish-flagged general cargo ship hit a mine on Thursday in the Black Sea off the coast of Romania and sustained minor damage but the crew was safe, maritime and security sources said.
British maritime security company Ambrey, citing information it received, said the ship struck a sea mine 11 nautical miles north of Sulina in Romania, near the entrance to the Sulina Canal.
Source: https://www.reuters.com/world/turkish-cargo-ship-hits-mine-black-sea-sustains-minor-damage-2023-10-05/
This will undoubtedly have an impact on vessel insurance prices and worsen the grain crisis. Ukraine refused to comment, only mentioning "WW2 mines or mines left from last year's efforts to protect the ports from Russian assaults".

Everything is very cool, but where is the indication that it was a “Ukrainian mine”? As I understand it, the main thing for you is not the essence, but to attribute something to Ukraine in order to try to remove the blame from the country of the international terrorist Russia?
As I understand it, even if you get diarrhea on the road, you will habitually yell “it was the Ukrainians who shit in my pants,” leaving traces behind you as you go? :)
Any consequences of the war are the responsibility of the country that started the war, both direct and indirect! so Russia will not be able to shift responsibility for its crimes onto others


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on October 14, 2023, 04:36:38 PM
On September 23, I listed Ukraine's impressive victories over the Russian Black Sea Fleet. Ukraine, which does not have its own fleet, is successfully sinking the Russian Black Sea Fleet both with missiles of its own production and with its own drones, a special place among which is given to a relatively new type of weapon - surface and underwater drones. Since that time, two more have been added to the list of damaged or sunk Russian ships.

Thus, on October 11, it became known that the Russian large patrol ship Pavel Derzhavin was blown up in the outer roadstead of Russian-occupied Ukrainian Sevastopol. Corvette Pavel Derzhavin (board number 363) was laid down in 2016 and launched in 2019. He has been in the Russian Black Sea Fleet since 2020. The 94 meter long ship can accommodate up to 80 people.
Residents of Sevastopol heard the sound of an explosion at about 10 am. Since June 2022, the armament of the Pavel Derzhavin has been reinforced with the Tor-M2KM anti-aircraft missile system installed on the stern. It is capable of carrying up to 8 Caliber cruise missiles. There are only four such ships in the Russian Black Sea Fleet. It was initially assumed that the ship could have been hit by a mine, so Russia deployed minesweepers, but to no avail. Since they did not understand what happened to their ship, the situation repeated itself on October 13. Russian Telegram channels confirm that the ship Derzhavin was attacked again around noon on October 13 while leaving Sevastopol Bay and suffered damage to the rudder group. The tug Nikolai Muru was sent to assist him, which was also attacked. The damaged "Nikolai Mura" was towed to the harbor.

In addition, on October 13, in a joint operation of the SBU and the Ukrainian Navy, the Buyan launch vehicle was also attacked. Both ships were hit by Ukrainian unmanned maritime drones "Sea Baby" with experimental weapons.

Sources:
https://myc.news/politika/poteri_chernomorskogo_flota_rf_v_vms_raskryli_podrobnosti

https://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2023/10/13/7423968/

https://censor.net/ru/news/3449293/sbu_i_vms_porazili_rossiyiskiyi_raketonositel_buyan_i_korabl_pavel_derjavin_morskimi_dronami_istochnik

They are now trying to hide the remnants of the Russian Black Sea Fleet away from occupied Crimea in Russian ports. Thus, Ukraine successfully solves the problem of exporting its agricultural products from its ports to the world market, although Russia continues to attack its ports mainly with aerial drones.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Biznesmen on November 05, 2023, 09:26:08 AM
Anything could be used as a weapon of war because all warring nations want to win by all means. Russia wants to pressurize the West to do its bidding because it seems that sanctions have started hitting the Russian economy hard. The economy that was portrayed as sanctioned poof is gradually losing its strength. The war is costing so much and it was not expected to last for this long. This halt in this grain deal will affect the world, especially poor nations.

But Russia also raised some valid points. The Kremlin claimed that the West is not keeping its part of the agreement. Russian agricultural products have been restricted from the international market, which is against the agreement. Another point is that one of the main reasons for this agreement is the negative effect the grain blockade had on poor nations. Russia agreed to lift the blockade because many poor nations might experience severe food shortages. But from different reports, it is only 4.5% of grains from Ukraine went to poorest nations. Most of them were diverted to influential nations.

Russia said it is willing to come back to the negotiation table. And as citizens of one of these developing nation I expect that this issue will be settled because the last time the gains supplies from Ukraine was halted, most of us couldn't afford bread. But the perfect solution to all these problems is a peaceful resolution of the war in Ukraine.

Yes, I also heard arguments that the terms of the grain deal were violated, since grain was actually supplied not to the poorest, but to developed (quite successful) countries.  In my opinion, this is a rather weak argument.  Additional volumes of grain entering the market, of course, affect the world price of grain.  

As a result, poorer countries can buy it at a lower price.  

In general, I believe that we should strive to ensure that there is an excess of food in the world.  No one in the world should starve, let alone starve to death.  

Human interests must prevail over national interests.  Nations are an abstraction.  Nation states are a relic of the past.  All people can have sex with people of other nationalities and have children from them Because all people belong to the same human species.  This is our reality, not the illusions that politicians juggle.  

It is also necessary that there be no hatred towards other people in the hearts of people.  Only love can save the world.

https://youtu.be/wKX6JkG2W68

Exactly. Love can speak, not hatred. War can't always bring peace and happiness. There are two countries involved in the war, but the countries behind them are shadow countries. War is happening for land, money, power, etc. Start a war through ammunition, political, economical, biological, chemical, etc. So if a war started, we needed to think about the history of the countries, identify the countries that poured gasoline into the fire, and take benefits from the war. They are the most pathetic countries.And most importantly, we need to abolish and restructure international organizations. It's just a joke; nothing more can be expected from those institutions.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: bestcoins1 on November 05, 2023, 10:30:30 AM
Exactly. Love can speak, not hatred. War can't always bring peace and happiness. There are two countries involved in the war, but the countries behind them are shadow countries. War is happening for land, money, power, etc. Start a war through ammunition, political, economical, biological, chemical, etc. So if a war started, we needed to think about the history of the countries, identify the countries that poured gasoline into the fire, and take benefits from the war. They are the most pathetic countries.And most importantly, we need to abolish and restructure international organizations. It's just a joke; nothing more can be expected from those institutions.

Of the several reasons that you say about war, the most dominant one is due to the struggle for territory or land and this is worthy of being called colonialism. Because war can cause many deaths of people who are innocent and do not have any interest in it, so the sense of humanity can also be lost from one of the countries involved in the war. Everyone, journalists and the press will look at history and the basic things that can trigger war in a country so they can see which country is guilty of this happening.

Although sometimes there are journalists who are paid specifically to create news that is not in accordance with the facts on the ground, only a small number of people are willing to do this because most people who still want to see peace and independence in a country will definitely tell the truth to heard by the public and the world or authorities in all countries.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on November 15, 2023, 03:56:53 PM
After Russia withdrew from the “grain agreement,” about a hundred merchant ships loaded with agricultural products had already left the ports of Ukraine. This opportunity was ensured by the fact that Ukraine, practically without its own military fleet, is now very actively sinking the Russian Black Sea fleet, which was the only threat to commercial shipping in the Black Sea.During the full-scale war with Russia, that is, since February 2022, the Ukrainian Armed Forces have already destroyed at least nine and damaged at least 16 Russian warships.

Thus, on November 4, 2023, the Ukrainian Armed Forces attacked a shipyard in Russian-occupied Kerch with SCALP aircraft missiles. The target was the Russian corvette Askold, which was located there - the newest small missile ship of Project 22800 Karakurt, which was supposed to be commissioned by the Russian Black Sea Fleet in December 2023. It could carry up to 8 Caliber or Onyx missiles, and therefore its capabilities for delivering long-range strikes corresponded to the level of a frigate.

On November 10, 2023, near the village of Chernomorskoye on the Tarkhankut Peninsula in the occupied Crimea, seaborne drones of the Main Intelligence Directorate destroyed two Russian landing boats: the older Project 1176 Akula and the new Project 11770 Serna. At the time of the attacks, they were carrying a crew and loaded with armored vehicles, in particular, BTR-82. After the drone attack, the Shark sank immediately, the Chamois sank a little later.

https://nv.ua/ukraine/events/katera-serna-korvet-askold-korabli-minsk-i-saratov-i-submarina-kakie-korabli-rf-unichtozhila-ukraina-50366629.html


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: serveria.com on November 15, 2023, 06:55:47 PM
After Russia withdrew from the “grain agreement,” about a hundred merchant ships loaded with agricultural products had already left the ports of Ukraine. This opportunity was ensured by the fact that Ukraine, practically without its own military fleet, is now very actively sinking the Russian Black Sea fleet, which was the only threat to commercial shipping in the Black Sea.During the full-scale war with Russia, that is, since February 2022, the Ukrainian Armed Forces have already destroyed at least nine and damaged at least 16 Russian warships.

Thus, on November 4, 2023, the Ukrainian Armed Forces attacked a shipyard in Russian-occupied Kerch with SCALP aircraft missiles. The target was the Russian corvette Askold, which was located there - the newest small missile ship of Project 22800 Karakurt, which was supposed to be commissioned by the Russian Black Sea Fleet in December 2023. It could carry up to 8 Caliber or Onyx missiles, and therefore its capabilities for delivering long-range strikes corresponded to the level of a frigate.

On November 10, 2023, near the village of Chernomorskoye on the Tarkhankut Peninsula in the occupied Crimea, seaborne drones of the Main Intelligence Directorate destroyed two Russian landing boats: the older Project 1176 Akula and the new Project 11770 Serna. At the time of the attacks, they were carrying a crew and loaded with armored vehicles, in particular, BTR-82. After the drone attack, the Shark sank immediately, the Chamois sank a little later.

https://nv.ua/ukraine/events/katera-serna-korvet-askold-korabli-minsk-i-saratov-i-submarina-kakie-korabli-rf-unichtozhila-ukraina-50366629.html

Haha I had a good laugh. Out of all the vessels mentioned in the article only two (not 9) sank or were completely destroyed: missile cruiser Moskva  and 1964 built military transport Saratov. All other ships were damaged and will be repaired or were not even damaged at all (fake news spread by the UA intelligence).

Btw, most of these attacks on the Russian navy ships were performed or orchestrated by the US, using Western missiles, drones and intelligence. So you're making a bold statement by saying that Ukraine did it.   

So yeah, yet another lie. I kinda got used to it.  ;D

Anyway, could you remind me why you're not fighting for your Motherland in the East? Just trolling here on this forum from the safety of your home while your heroic compatriots are dying?


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on November 16, 2023, 09:44:16 AM

Haha I had a good laugh. Out of all the vessels mentioned in the article only two (not 9) sank or were completely destroyed: missile cruiser Moskva  and 1964 built military transport Saratov. All other ships were damaged and will be repaired or were not even damaged at all (fake news spread by the UA intelligence).

Btw, most of these attacks on the Russian navy ships were performed or orchestrated by the US, using Western missiles, drones and intelligence. So you're making a bold statement by saying that Ukraine did it.    

So yeah, yet another lie. I kinda got used to it.  ;D

Anyway, could you remind me why you're not fighting for your Motherland in the East? Just trolling here on this forum from the safety of your home while your heroic compatriots are dying?
Progress already lies in the fact that you recognize at least two ships sunk by the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the Russian Black Sea Fleet. But where did this Russian fleet go, not only off the coast of Ukraine, but also from the occupied ports of the Crimean peninsula? If Russian warships are not sunk or damaged as a result of attacks by the Ukrainian Armed Forces, then where have they mostly gone? Is it scary to keep them within range of missile and drone attacks from Ukraine?

No matter what you say here, for the second year now, relatively small Ukraine has been resisting Russia’s military aggression, and it is Ukrainians who are fighting on the fronts against the invaders. And the flagship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, the missile cruiser Moskva, was sunk by two Ukrainian-made Neptune missiles.
https://prm.ua/ru/opublykovano-vydeo-puska-ukraynskykh-raket-neptun-kotor-e-potopyly-rossyyskyy-kreyser-moskva/

I also advise you to see how the newest Russian launch vehicle Askold burns after a direct hit by three SCALP missiles. The video shows how large pieces of this ship flew off over a considerable distance. Is it listed as intact or slightly damaged?
https://24tv.ua/ru/raketnyj-udar-po-askoldu-v-seti-pojavilos-video-verojatnogo-popadanija-po-korablju-24-kanal_n2426716

You, I see, are also not writing from the trenches near Avdeevka. There, the Russian army has been grinding to death from poorly organized attacks for more than a month. Putin, if he is still alive, needs to show at least some victory on the Ukrainian front at the end of the year before the upcoming elections. Now there are about 440 thousand Russian occupiers in the occupied territories of Ukraine, and it is impossible to take even the small town of Avdiivka. Need your help. After all, this territory has long been included in the Russian Federation


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: DrBeer on November 20, 2023, 07:52:39 PM
All the squeals of the terrorist country that they will ban the shipment of grain from Ukrainian ports if they are not given candy, a duck, a balloon, .... SWIFT - ended as expected.. Nothing :) It’s one thing to squeal and threaten, another thing to implement hysterics. Yes, there were several attacks on PEACEFUL ships, without weapons, and without warning - but what do you want from a terrorist country. A dull and vile terrorist!


....and for those who are not lovers of the truth, the official list of damaged (incapacitated and sunk) ships of the terrorist country’s fleet. Damaged and disabled - for modern Russia this is a synonym for lost to the fleet. Since technical backwardness does not allow them to be restored for any application. So, the list :)


Russian Navy
- The small missile ship “Veliky Ustyug” (Project 21631, belongs to the Caspian Flotilla) was hit by artillery or damaged as a result of a drone strike on March 7, 2022). On June 17, the damaged ship was spotted while being towed along the Volga.
- Russia lost several patrol boats pr. 03160:
On March 22, 2022, members of the separate special forces detachment “Azov” disabled a patrol boat near Mariupol with an ATGM strike; the ship was subsequently towed by Russian sailors
- On May 2, 2022, the Ukrainian Bayraktar TB2 drone hit 2 boats in the area of Zmeiny Island.
- On May 8, 2022, the Ukrainian authorities published a recording of a hit on 3 boats of Project 03160 in the area of Zmeiny Island. Subsequently, the Yunarmeets Baltic boat, damaged during one of the collisions, was towed to Sevastopol for repairs.
- The Saratov landing craft (project 1171) was hit by a Tochka-U missile during a Ukrainian attack on the port of Berdyansk on March 24, 2022.
- At the same time, two other ships - “Caesar Kunikov” and “Novocherkassk” (Project 775) - left the parking lot, and a fire started on one of them as a result of the hit. In July 2022, Russian officials stated that the damaged Saratov was scuttled by the crew to prevent the detonation of ammunition, and was subsequently raised and towed to Kerch, where it was cut into scrap metal.
- The missile cruiser "Moskva", at that time the flagship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, was hit by Ukrainian R-360 "Neptune" anti-ship missiles on April 13, 2022 and sank.
- The landing boat pr. 11770 was sunk by a Bayraktar TB2 drone on May 7, 2022 in the area of Zmeiny Island.
- The tugboat “Rescuer Vasily Bekh”, converted for military needs and equipped with the “Tor” air defense system, according to the Ukrainian military on June 17, 2022, was sunk by an anti-ship missile strike.
- The patrol ship "Admiral Makarov", which became the flagship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet after the sinking of the cruiser "Moscow", the sea minesweeper "Ivan Golubets" and one unidentified ship, according to independent OSINT researchers, were damaged on October 29, 2022 during an air and sea attack drones to the naval base in Sevastopol.
- “BDK “Olenegorsky Miner”” was hit by a drone on August 4, 2023 during an attack on the Black Sea Fleet base in Novorossiysk.
- The diesel-electric submarine B-237 Rostov-on-Don and the large landing ship Minsk were seriously damaged as a result of a missile attack on the Sevastopol Marine Plant on September 13, 2023.
- The small missile ship "Samum" on September 14, 2023 became the target of an attack by a naval drone, as a result of which it was towed to the port with a clear list on board.
- The small missile ship "Askold" was damaged on November 4, 2023 as a result of a missile attack on the Zaliv plant.
- The Project 1176 “Akula” boat and the Project 11770 “Serna” boat were hit on November 10, 2023 by Ukrainian naval drones in the north of Crimea.

“Everything is going according to plan” (c) Kremlin pathetic Fuhrer :)


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on November 25, 2023, 05:43:57 PM
After Russia’s withdrawal from the Black Sea initiative to secure the “grain corridor” from Ukraine, the Ukrainian Armed Forces, through attacks by sea and air drones, forced the Russian Black Sea Navy to move away from the shores of Ukraine and, thus, broke the naval blockade of Ukrainian ports for the passage of merchant ships.

President of Ukraine Vladimir Zelensky, answering questions from media representatives following the results of the Grain from Ukraine International Summit, called the Russian blockade of the Black Sea one of the biggest threats to global security, but Ukraine is successfully resisting it. He also added that Ukraine in the near future will receive warships from its partners to ensure the safety of ships that pass through the “grain corridor” created by the Ukrainian side in the Black Sea.
Source:
https://www.dialog.ua/ukraine/285420_1700922848


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: serveria.com on November 25, 2023, 09:37:41 PM
Progress already lies in the fact that you recognize at least two ships sunk by the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the Russian Black Sea Fleet. But where did this Russian fleet go, not only off the coast of Ukraine, but also from the occupied ports of the Crimean peninsula? If Russian warships are not sunk or damaged as a result of attacks by the Ukrainian Armed Forces, then where have they mostly gone? Is it scary to keep them within range of missile and drone attacks from Ukraine?
I've never claimed that. Can you provide a quote from my posts to prove your statement? Russian Black sea fleet didn't go anywhere, it's still there in Sevastopol. Besides, there is no point to keep many navy ships in the region as Ukraine has no navy.

Quote from: Argoo
No matter what you say here, for the second year now, relatively small Ukraine has been resisting Russia’s military aggression, and it is Ukrainians who are fighting on the fronts against the invaders.
Small? Ukraine is anything but small. It's #41 in the world and #7 in Europe in terms of population, only slightly smaller than EU giant Poland.
Source: https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/population-by-country/

Ukraine is #22 in the world ranked by number of military personnel. Bigger than France or UK.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_military_and_paramilitary_personnel

Quote from: Argoo
You, I see, are also not writing from the trenches near Avdeevka.
Quite logical as I'm not Russian. Why should I join their military near Avdiivka? But you, as a good Ukrainian should join AFU ASAP to save your country. So, what is your excuse?

Quote from: Argoo
There, the Russian army has been grinding to death from poorly organized attacks for more than a month. Putin, if he is still alive, needs to show at least some victory on the Ukrainian front at the end of the year before the upcoming elections. Now there are about 440 thousand Russian occupiers in the occupied territories of Ukraine, and it is impossible to take even the small town of Avdiivka. Need your help. After all, this territory has long been included in the Russian Federation
Yes, they are successfully breaking the first line of one of the most fortified locations which had been hardened since 2014. Some elite units and Leopard 2 tanks were spotted near Avdiivka after AFU command had to withdrew them from the South in a desperate attempt to hold the Russians back. Today there are news of AFU being pushed back by the Russians and leaving the industrial district of the city. Btw, how is the counter-offensive going?  ::)


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: panganib999 on November 25, 2023, 11:15:28 PM
What's the global standing of Russia when it comes to export of agricultural products internationally? I'm betting they're not even in the top 10 countries who export grain that is fed to most asians and the rest of the western europeans. While there's certainly a food shortage problem afoot in the planet right now, I don't think that Russia's solely to blame for this, sure, neighboring countries like Turkey and other states will be affected by this situation but not so much that they couldn't go on anymore. There's opportunities to make allies with other countries and accept export from them, or maybe even explore the viability of agriculture in their home soil. Food shouldn't be a problem, if proper governance is administered.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on November 27, 2023, 06:47:23 PM
Progress already lies in the fact that you recognize at least two ships sunk by the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the Russian Black Sea Fleet. But where did this Russian fleet go, not only off the coast of Ukraine, but also from the occupied ports of the Crimean peninsula? If Russian warships are not sunk or damaged as a result of attacks by the Ukrainian Armed Forces, then where have they mostly gone? Is it scary to keep them within range of missile and drone attacks from Ukraine?
I've never claimed that. Can you provide a quote from my posts to prove your statement? Russian Black sea fleet didn't go anywhere, it's still there in Sevastopol. Besides, there is no point to keep many navy ships in the region as Ukraine has no navy.

Quote from: Argoo
No matter what you say here, for the second year now, relatively small Ukraine has been resisting Russia’s military aggression, and it is Ukrainians who are fighting on the fronts against the invaders.
Small? Ukraine is anything but small. It's #41 in the world and #7 in Europe in terms of population, only slightly smaller than EU giant Poland.
Source: https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/population-by-country/

Ukraine is #22 in the world ranked by number of military personnel. Bigger than France or UK.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_military_and_paramilitary_personnel

Quote from: Argoo
You, I see, are also not writing from the trenches near Avdeevka.
Quite logical as I'm not Russian. Why should I join their military near Avdiivka? But you, as a good Ukrainian should join AFU ASAP to save your country. So, what is your excuse?

Quote from: Argoo
There, the Russian army has been grinding to death from poorly organized attacks for more than a month. Putin, if he is still alive, needs to show at least some victory on the Ukrainian front at the end of the year before the upcoming elections. Now there are about 440 thousand Russian occupiers in the occupied territories of Ukraine, and it is impossible to take even the small town of Avdiivka. Need your help. After all, this territory has long been included in the Russian Federation
Yes, they are successfully breaking the first line of one of the most fortified locations which had been hardened since 2014. Some elite units and Leopard 2 tanks were spotted near Avdiivka after AFU command had to withdrew them from the South in a desperate attempt to hold the Russians back. Today there are news of AFU being pushed back by the Russians and leaving the industrial district of the city. Btw, how is the counter-offensive going?  ::)
I'll try to answer some of your questions. I also did not refer to your words that a significant part of the Russian Black Sea Fleet left the occupied Crimean peninsula. Previously, this fleet blocked the ports of Ukraine, but after the fire defeat of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, it was forced to move a significant part away from the territory of Ukraine, and therefore the “grain corridor” is now successfully operating without the participation of Russia.

I wrote that the territory of Ukraine is relatively small in relation to the territory of Russia, and it is not difficult to verify this by looking at the map. Although Ukraine is geographically one of the largest in Europe.

Read less Russian propaganda. The information about the capture of the Avdeevka industrial zone by the Russians is fake. There, the occupiers actually attack continuously and have some success. But the third wave of assaults that began on November 24 is still crashing against the fortifications of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Thus, from the remnants of the 1st Army Corps of the Russian Armed Forces storming Avdeevka, as well as the 1st and 15th Motorized Rifle Brigades, the Russian military leadership formed a new 10th battalion, which was staffed with the remaining two brigades. That is, the battalion was assembled from TWO brigades! All that's left.
However, in recent days the situation in Avdeevka has really worsened: at the cost of heavy losses, Russian troops advanced into the eastern part of the industrial zone on the southeastern outskirts of the city. In November, Russia lost an average of 931 of its soldiers every day and this is significantly more than during the assault on another small town of Bakhmut.
https://focus.ua/amp/voennye-novosti/608756-rekordnye-s-nachala-vtorzheniya-britanskaya-razvedka-ozvuchila-poteri-vs-rf-v-boyah-za-avdeevku
But Avdeevka stands and the Russian army is rapidly being crushed against its fortifications.

The counter-offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, which mainly takes place on the southern front, is going much faster than the Russians are able to do near Avdeevka. The Ukrainian Armed Forces fortified themselves on three bridgeheads on the left bank of the Dnieper, and the occupiers clearly did not expect this. They cannot quickly transfer reinforcements there, and Russia does not yet have reserves at the front. They are forced to withdraw some of their units from the Zaporozhye Front, while weakening the section of the front there. Meanwhile, this section of the front is very promising, since it has the shortest distance to the Crimean Isthmus.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: DrBeer on November 29, 2023, 12:11:17 PM
Hasn't anyone noticed one strange event ? More precisely - suddenly disappeared, constantly informative background !
After the Russian Navy on the Black Sea was hit in the face and Russia, screaming that it would sink all the ships heading to Ukrainian ports, expectedly did nothing except threats, and Ukrainian grain entered the world market, suddenly... completely disappeared the shrieks of Russian propaganda about “starving residents of some countries” who can only be saved by Russian grain in exchange for the lifting of some sanctions?

Coincidence ?! I don't think so !!!  ;D



Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: serveria.com on November 29, 2023, 10:52:10 PM
I'll try to answer some of your questions.
I didn't ask any questions.  ;D

Quote from: Argoo
I wrote that the territory of Ukraine is relatively small in relation to the territory of Russia, and it is not difficult to verify this by looking at the map. Although Ukraine is geographically one of the largest in Europe.
That's a lie: you never specified you meant territory-wise. Lots of people, huge army... it's not small... but even if you mean territory you lie again and you fail miserably again:

Ukraine (/juːˈkreɪn/ ⓘ yoo-KRAYN; Ukrainian: Укpaїнa, romanized: Ukraina, pronounced [ʊkrɐˈjinɐ] ⓘ) is a country in Eastern Europe. It is the second-largest European country after Russia
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine

Why you keep acting like a bozo and treating the readers like retarded people? Your claims are pathetic and hilarious at the same time.

Quote from: Argoo
Read less Russian propaganda. The information about the capture of the Avdeevka industrial zone by the Russians is fake. There, the occupiers actually attack continuously and have some success. But the third wave of assaults that began on November 24 is still crashing against the fortifications of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Thus, from the remnants of the 1st Army Corps of the Russian Armed Forces storming Avdeevka, as well as the 1st and 15th Motorized Rifle Brigades, the Russian military leadership formed a new 10th battalion, which was staffed with the remaining two brigades. That is, the battalion was assembled from TWO brigades! All that's left.
However, in recent days the situation in Avdeevka has really worsened: at the cost of heavy losses, Russian troops advanced into the eastern part of the industrial zone on the southeastern outskirts of the city. In November, Russia lost an average of 931 of its soldiers every day and this is significantly more than during the assault on another small town of Bakhmut.
https://focus.ua/amp/voennye-novosti/608756-rekordnye-s-nachala-vtorzheniya-britanskaya-razvedka-ozvuchila-poteri-vs-rf-v-boyah-za-avdeevku
But Avdeevka stands and the Russian army is rapidly being crushed against its fortifications.
... read more Ukrainian propaganda instead? There are videos on Telegram this info can be easily verified. The Russians are in Avdiivka and they have entered the industrial zone, where most of AFU fortifications were located. Your media is lying to you, wake up!

Quote from: Argoo
The counter-offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, which mainly takes place on the southern front, is going much faster than the Russians are able to do near Avdeevka. The Ukrainian Armed Forces fortified themselves on three bridgeheads on the left bank of the Dnieper, and the occupiers clearly did not expect this. They cannot quickly transfer reinforcements there, and Russia does not yet have reserves at the front. They are forced to withdraw some of their units from the Zaporozhye Front, while weakening the section of the front there. Meanwhile, this section of the front is very promising, since it has the shortest distance to the Crimean Isthmus.
Muahaha much faster? Is it a joke? Rabotyne and Verbove are the main villages where most of the fighting takes place. For about half a year already and no movement further. And Russians are counter-attacking right now, going to recapture these villages soon.

Meanwhile, the average age of glorious AFU soldiers, the only army in the world fighting with 0 casualties for almost 2 years, has reached 54  years. Great success!


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on November 30, 2023, 02:01:32 PM
Quote from: Argoo
I wrote that the territory of Ukraine is relatively small in relation to the territory of Russia, and it is not difficult to verify this by looking at the map. Although Ukraine is geographically one of the largest in Europe.
That's a lie: you never specified you meant territory-wise. Lots of people, huge army... it's not small... but even if you mean territory you lie again and you fail miserably again:

If on November 16 I wrote: “No matter what you say here, for the second year now, relatively small Ukraine has been resisting Russian military aggression...”, then you just need to strain your brain a little to understand that  are talking about the territories of Ukraine and Russia, because There can be no other option here.

What was my lie when I wrote that Ukraine is geographically one of the largest in Europe? If we consider Russia an Asian and not a European country, not even in terms of civilization, but territorially, then I’m really wrong. But the western part of Russia still belongs to Europe.
https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%95%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA %D0%B0%D1%8F_%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8C_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0 %B8

I previously wrote: “However, in recent days the situation in Avdeevka has really worsened: at the cost of heavy losses, Russian troops advanced to the eastern part of the industrial zone on the southeastern outskirts of the city.” You claim that the Russians are in Avdeevka and entered the industrial zone, where most of the Ukrainian Armed Forces’ fortifications were located. Whether the Russians captured the entire industrial zone on the outskirts of Avdeevka is a moot point. In addition, the situation there is constantly changing. The occupiers could get in, then they were knocked out, and this happens periodically. Therefore, do not exaggerate. Waste two brigades to capture an industrial zone on the outskirts of Avdeevka is certainly cool and worthy of the “second army of the world.”

I see you defend Russian murderers and occupiers so zealously that I begin to doubt that you are not a Russian.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: serveria.com on December 01, 2023, 08:15:13 AM
Quote from: Argoo
If on November 16 I wrote: “No matter what you say here, for the second year now, relatively small Ukraine has been resisting Russian military aggression...”, then you just need to strain your brain a little to understand that  are talking about the territories of Ukraine and Russia, because There can be no other option here.
You're trying to say that a territory-wise small country can't have a huge army? Let alone if this "small country" is second biggest in Europe after Russia? I don't feel like I need to explain this any further, just re-read my posts. I proved it with statistical data from reputable sources. Anyone with at least room temperature IQ understands that.

Quote from: Argoo
What was my lie when I wrote that Ukraine is geographically one of the largest in Europe?
Wait, when did you claim that? Your post quote above proves exactly the opposite. You said Ukraine is a small country. Propaganda destroyed your brain, bud. Or ease up on that blow?  ;D

Quote from: Argoo
If we consider Russia an Asian and not a European country, not even in terms of civilization, but territorially, then I’m really wrong. But the western part of Russia still belongs to Europe.
https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%95%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA %D0%B0%D1%8F_%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8C_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0 %B8
Why in the world you're trying to prove this to me? That's an obvious fact, but completely irrelevant. I never said it wasn't so.  ::)

Quote from: Argoo
I see you defend Russian murderers and occupiers so zealously that I begin to doubt that you are not a Russian.
Then you need to start believing not only Russians want this war to end. My biggest wish is world peace. Let go, it's over. You're not going to recapture Crimea or Donbas. Ukraine lost these territories forever. Just stop the f*cking war. Ukrainians (and Russians alike) don't have to die for that. It's not worth it.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on December 01, 2023, 09:01:52 AM

Then you need to start believing not only Russians want this war to end. My biggest wish is world peace. Let go, it's over. You're not going to recapture Crimea or Donbas. Ukraine lost these territories forever. Just stop the f*cking war. Ukrainians (and Russians alike) don't have to die for that. It's not worth it.
In order for the war in Ukraine to end, it is enough for the Russians to withdraw their occupation troops from the territory of Ukraine. Ukraine has not attacked and does not intend to attack Russia. Therefore, if the Russians go home and stop killing women and children in Ukraine and destroying the country’s infrastructure, the war will stop. All that remains is to calculate the losses caused by Russia and, through international judicial and other bodies, seek compensation for them to Ukraine, because you will have to pay for the pleasure of robbing, killing and raping. In the meantime, the Russians are attacking the territory of Ukraine, it is stupid to say that they do not want war.

Ukraine has no choice but to defend its freedom and independence. Therefore, as long as there is at least one living armed Russian left in Ukraine, the war will continue. Ukraine will definitely return its territories sooner or later.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: serveria.com on December 01, 2023, 07:46:12 PM
In order for the war in Ukraine to end, it is enough for the Russians to withdraw their occupation troops from the territory of Ukraine. Ukraine has not attacked and does not intend to attack Russia.
Why are you planning to join NATO then? What for? Let's put it straight: Ukraine ceased to exist in 2014. It's a US colony atm, governed, militarized and sponsored by Uncle Sam.

Quote from: Argoo
Therefore, if the Russians go home and stop killing women and children in Ukraine and destroying the country’s infrastructure, the war will stop. All that remains is to calculate the losses caused by Russia and, through international judicial and other bodies, seek compensation for them to Ukraine, because you will have to pay for the pleasure of robbing, killing and raping. In the meantime, the Russians are attacking the territory of Ukraine, it is stupid to say that they do not want war.
Oh sorry, I forgot, your military have 0 casualties, it's the most effective army in the world. Russians are solely and exclusively killing children and raping women. Stealing washing machines to get some chips they can use to produce missiles. Once they see the Ukrainian military they flee, they are too afraid to shoot at armed men.  ;D ;D ;D

Quote from: Argoo
Ukraine has no choice but to defend its freedom and independence. Therefore, as long as there is at least one living armed Russian left in Ukraine, the war will continue. Ukraine will definitely return its territories sooner or later.
You are delusional. You are seeing this situation as some kind of battle of equal opponents, or some kind of a Mexican standoff situation... but it's not so. I can't think of any scenario which would let you to regain your territories. It simply doesn't exist. It's impossible. Russia is bigger, stronger, has more people, bigger army, more arms, better military industry etc etc etc. The longer war lasts, the more powerful Russia becomes. Can you describe in detail how do you see it? How will you get your territories back?


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: DrBeer on December 01, 2023, 09:24:20 PM
....
Russia is bigger, stronger, has more people, bigger army, more arms, better military industry etc etc etc. The longer war lasts, the more powerful Russia becomes.
....


Thank you - I laughed heartily, and "at full lung capacity" !  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Now just some FACTS to "confirm" your fantasies :)

- Russian President Vladimir Putin has signed a law extending the moratorium on paying compensation to depositors of the USSR's Sberbank, whose savings were "frozen" by the Soviet government in 1991 and then burned up in the hyperinflation of the 1990s.
- Putin urged Russians to have eight children each. "Russia is facing "the most difficult demographic challenges," and to overcome them, it is necessary to revive the tradition of having many children in families, President Vladimir Putin said Tuesday."
- Students at Lyceum No. 2 in the town of Mamadysh in the Republic of Tatarstan's Mamadysh city were forced to process mine tails, assemble wound tourniquets and ampule containers for the needs of the war in Ukraine as part of a children's art circle.
- There is no money in the Russian budget for 2024-2026 to expand the project to support young scientists "Mendeleev map". This was announced by Russian President Vladimir Putin at a meeting with young scientists.
- Revenues of the largest oil and gas companies in Russia fell by 41% in January-September 2023, the Central Bank of Russia said in Thursday's Financial Stability Review. source - Central Bank of Russia's FINANCIAL STABILITY REVIEW. Link https://cbr.ru/Collection/Collection/File/46610/2_3_q_2023.pdf
- The number of Russians who defaulted on loans and credits for 90 days or more and came close to bankruptcy reached 9.79 million in November 2023.
Over the year, the number of such borrowers increased by 11%, and their total debt increased from 5.68 trillion to 6.33 trillion rubles, according to data from the United Credit Bureau (UCB), which was published by Kommersant.
According to the latest data of the Central Bank, the total number of borrowers in banks and MFIs as of July 1, 2023 was estimated at 47 million people (an increase of 2 million people over the half-year). Thus, the share of possible bankruptcies is almost 20% of the total number of borrowers.
!!!! 47 million people, this is about 80% of the WORKABLE population of russia !
- Chinese authorities have called information about the intention to build an underwater tunnel to Crimea together with Russia untrue. "As for the false reports, I will not comment on them," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Wang Wenbin said at a press conference....
I take it China is lying too, and in your morbid fantasies - China will build another Russian fake ?! :)


And a pompous finale ! "The authorities demanded from retail chains to reduce the price of eggs before Putin's re-election." The Federal Antimonopoly Service (FAS) sent a letter to retail chains with a demand to voluntarily limit markups on chicken eggs 5% until March 2024, writes RBC with reference to a copy of the document.

Will you perform a funny standup ""Great" Russia" ? :)))



Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on December 02, 2023, 09:28:40 AM
In order for the war in Ukraine to end, it is enough for the Russians to withdraw their occupation troops from the territory of Ukraine. Ukraine has not attacked and does not intend to attack Russia.
Why are you planning to join NATO then? What for? Let's put it straight: Ukraine ceased to exist in 2014. It's a US colony atm, governed, militarized and sponsored by Uncle Sam.
Ukraine plans to join NATO primarily to protect itself from attacks from its ever-aggressive neighbor, the Russian Federation. This country constantly attacks its neighbors, as a rule, under the pretext of protecting Russian-speaking citizens, taking advantage of the fact that during the USSR the Russian language was actively implanted in the Soviet republics and many people in the former Soviet republics still use this language in communication. In order to escape the suffocating embrace of “big brother” in the person of Russia and continue to introduce democratic principles of building a society, Ukraine needs collective security without the participation of Russia, and NATO is almost ideal for this. Therefore, Ukraine has set a course for joining the EU and NATO.

Is Ukraine a US colony? It’s better to be a colony of the United States than of the Russian Federation. In any case, the United States does not organize famines, does not instill Bolshevik communist ideology and other attributes of Soviet power, and is not a prison of nations, which the Russian Federation still is.

I think that soon these peoples, whom Russia is now driving to Ukraine for slaughter, will rise up and gain independence. But Russia does not have its own oil and gas; it is a parasite due to the exploitation of the territory of other nationalities. Then the far-fetched greatness of the former Moscow principality will come to an end.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Doan9269 on December 02, 2023, 11:56:06 AM
If all that had been said is truly having a negative impact on food security and availability then let everyone go back to making agricultural farming, if an average person is having a small garden where he do not need to go looking after what to buy being produced by others, there will be less dependency on a single supply entity, increase completion and make food items be more available for purchase at a cheaper price, this is possible because we have alot of people involved in the practice of agriculture unlike when we have lesser people being into farming.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on December 06, 2023, 07:58:31 AM
Russia is not abandoning its attempts to prevent Ukraine from selling its agricultural products on the world market, carrying out missile, bomb and drone attacks on port infrastructure on the Black Sea coast. However, the Ukrainian Armed Forces give such attempts a worthy rebuff.

Thus, on the evening of December 5, the Ukrainian Armed Forces destroyed a Su-24M bomber of the Russian Aerospace Forces in the Black Sea near Zmeiny Island. The information from the Ukrainian side is confirmed by Russian military officers; the Russian Ministry of Defense, out of habit, remains silent. The bomber was shot down while attempting to strike the Odessa region, when it tried to damage the so-called “grain corridor” - the Black Sea route through which Ukraine supplies its food.

https://www.dialog.ua/war/286025_1701806531


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: DrBeer on December 06, 2023, 11:51:43 AM
What do you expect from a terrorist country with a Nazi ideology ?
This war is not for the sake of an idea, not for the sake of "Russian-speaking people", or not for the sake of "Ukraine not joining NATO". This is a war to simply destroy Ukraine, with its Russian inhabitants, among others. To sow chaos and return everything to the Middle Ages, and in such a way - where agreements, obligations, moral and ethical norms do not work. Where there is only blood, violence, fear, and "sun-faced Putin".... Rashism is an ideology of destruction, but not of creation. They have never lived like normal people and they want the whole world to live normally. Because they simply do not know how to create for good, they are used to steal, break, kill. And that has to stop. Otherwise, the whole world will turn into DNR/LNR/PMR/Abkhazia.....

And yes, Russia continues to carry out terrorist attacks on the seaports of Odessa region and Odessa, knowing that grain is shipped there to those who need it. Although not so long ago, they were covering themselves with this topic, making sad and concerned faces, talking about famine in some countries that critically need to receive grain.... But as it turned out, it was only Russian grain.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on December 14, 2023, 03:29:08 PM
Today, during a direct line, Putin for the first time acknowledged the colossal losses of Russians in the war against Ukraine, which amounted to 363 thousand military personnel.
Thus, he stated that the invading army numbered approximately 250 thousand people. Then 244 thousand were mobilized to the front and 486 thousand volunteers were recruited under contract, which together amounts to 980 thousand. Also, according to Putin, 617 thousand Russians are now taking part at the front. Thus, direct losses amount to 363 thousand.

This is even slightly more than what is officially reported by the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which states that Russian losses amount to 342,800 people. In the last 24 hours alone, Russian losses at the front amount to 1,300 people.

Source:
https://uanews.net/ru/post/287421


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: serveria.com on December 14, 2023, 05:04:51 PM
Today, during a direct line, Putin for the first time acknowledged the colossal losses of Russians in the war against Ukraine, which amounted to 363 thousand military personnel.
Thus, he stated that the invading army numbered approximately 250 thousand people. Then 244 thousand were mobilized to the front and 486 thousand volunteers were recruited under contract, which together amounts to 980 thousand. Also, according to Putin, 617 thousand Russians are now taking part at the front. Thus, direct losses amount to 363 thousand.

This is even slightly more than what is officially reported by the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which states that Russian losses amount to 342,800 people. In the last 24 hours alone, Russian losses at the front amount to 1,300 people.

Source:
https://uanews.net/ru/post/287421

First and foremost, what does this news has to do with food security in the world?

Anyway, I'll have to disappoint you: why do you think all these army men are now located in Ukraine? Firstly, the Russians are now in the process of signing up volunteers and training them before sending them to Ukraine. Out of those 250 thousands and 244 thousands, some part were sent home as a part of rotation (yes unlike the Ukrainian military, Russians can afford to rotate their personnel). Simple as that.

I have a better question: why are you not with the military yet? Your country needs you! Oh, perhaps I know the answer: average life expectancy of a Ukrainian soldier on the frontline is now around 2 hours! Yes, you got it right 2 hours (it used to be 4 hours at Bakhmut). No wonder you prefer to troll from safety of your home!  ;D  


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: DrBeer on December 14, 2023, 09:40:29 PM
First and foremost, what does this news has to do with food security in the world?

Less mouths on Russia - more food will be left for people. Looks like Putin has once again come up with a very peculiar method of solving the food crisis in Russia :)

In the meantime, the indicative "economic news" from the terrorist country :
The authorities of Belgorod region limited the sale of eggs in one hand at weekly fairs in Belgorod. Now each resident of the region can buy no more than two dozen eggs, said Deputy Governor of the region Yulia Shchedrina. At the same time, on Putin's freak-show ""Direct Line" Putin blamed everyone but himself for the problems of the country and economy. According to Putin, the rise in the price of chicken eggs, which brought back kilometer-long lines from the 1990s to Russian regions, was the result of "a failure in the government." Officials "did not open imports in time," Putin said after egg prices soared 20 percent in a month and a half and more than 46 percent since the beginning of the year.
...At the same time, a shortage of chicken meat has emerged across Russia.

As the saying goes, "взялиcь зa яйцa - кypы пpoпaли"   ;D ;D ;D



Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on December 15, 2023, 07:14:48 AM
Today, during a direct line, Putin for the first time acknowledged the colossal losses of Russians in the war against Ukraine, which amounted to 363 thousand military personnel.
Thus, he stated that the invading army numbered approximately 250 thousand people. Then 244 thousand were mobilized to the front and 486 thousand volunteers were recruited under contract, which together amounts to 980 thousand. Also, according to Putin, 617 thousand Russians are now taking part at the front. Thus, direct losses amount to 363 thousand.

This is even slightly more than what is officially reported by the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which states that Russian losses amount to 342,800 people. In the last 24 hours alone, Russian losses at the front amount to 1,300 people.

Source:
https://uanews.net/ru/post/287421

First and foremost, what does this news has to do with food security in the world?

Anyway, I'll have to disappoint you: why do you think all these army men are now located in Ukraine? Firstly, the Russians are now in the process of signing up volunteers and training them before sending them to Ukraine. Out of those 250 thousands and 244 thousands, some part were sent home as a part of rotation (yes unlike the Ukrainian military, Russians can afford to rotate their personnel). Simple as that.

I have a better question: why are you not with the military yet? Your country needs you! Oh, perhaps I know the answer: average life expectancy of a Ukrainian soldier on the frontline is now around 2 hours! Yes, you got it right 2 hours (it used to be 4 hours at Bakhmut). No wonder you prefer to troll from safety of your home!  ;D  
Russia's colossal losses in manpower and equipment on the Ukrainian fronts are directly related to global food security, because the higher they are, the calmer the rest of the world will live. After all, after the Ukrainian Armed Forces hit part of the Russian Black Sea Fleet with missiles and drones and it was forced, for the sake of its safety, to move away from the shores of Ukraine, the “grain corridor” from Ukraine found a second life. According to the Administration of Seaports of Ukraine, over 11 months of continuous production, cargo turnover increased by 597%. During this hour, Ukrainian ports handled 52.8 million tons of cargo. This is 7.2 million tons more than last year.
The faster the Ukrainian Armed Forces defeat the hordes of Russian orcs, the faster peaceful life and supplies of products from Ukraine to countries in need will improve.

As for my participation in this war, I had already served my time and at the age of 40, in 2002, with the special rank of lieutenant colonel, I retired. But if necessary, I have not yet forgotten how to handle weapons. By the way, I served in military service in 1980-1982 in the city of Ostrogozhsk, Voronezh region, where there was “training” on the MAZ-543 for missile units. These vehicles, in various modifications as special equipment, are taking an active part in this war.

And about the short life expectancy of a Ukrainian soldier on the front line, Medvedev probably came up with it after a long drinking binge?


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on December 26, 2023, 09:20:24 AM
The Black Sea waters are gradually getting rid of the presence of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, which terrorized shipping in this sea and tried to block the export of agricultural products by Ukraine from its ports for supply to the world market.

Today, December 26, at about 02:30, tactical aviation of the Ukrainian Air Force attacked the large landing ship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet "Novocherkassk" with cruise missiles in the port of occupied Feodosia. The ship carried ammunition, as well as possibly Iranian drones, which were nicknamed "Shaheds" because the ship was detonated for several hours after the large explosions. At that time, loading and unloading operations were taking place on the ship, so the entire crew of the ship, numbering 90 people, was present. According to preliminary data, the ship and its crew sank.

In addition, over the past three days, the Ukrainian Armed Forces have shot down five Russian fighter-bombers: four of the latest SU-34 and one SU-30 in southern Ukraine. The occupiers cannot understand why Ukraine is shooting down their planes, they have strengthened reconnaissance and at the same time reduced air attacks.

https://tsn.ua/ru/exclusive/vsu-unichtozhili-desantnyy-korabl-novocherkassk-chto-izvestno-o-nochnoy-bavovne-v-krymu-foto-video-2479468.html


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: serveria.com on December 26, 2023, 01:03:22 PM
The Black Sea waters are gradually getting rid of the presence of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, which terrorized shipping in this sea and tried to block the export of agricultural products by Ukraine from its ports for supply to the world market.

Today, December 26, at about 02:30, tactical aviation of the Ukrainian Air Force attacked the large landing ship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet "Novocherkassk" with cruise missiles in the port of occupied Feodosia. The ship carried ammunition, as well as possibly Iranian drones, which were nicknamed "Shaheds" because the ship was detonated for several hours after the large explosions. At that time, loading and unloading operations were taking place on the ship, so the entire crew of the ship, numbering 90 people, was present. According to preliminary data, the ship and its crew sank.

In addition, over the past three days, the Ukrainian Armed Forces have shot down five Russian fighter-bombers: four of the latest SU-34 and one SU-30 in southern Ukraine. The occupiers cannot understand why Ukraine is shooting down their planes, they have strengthened reconnaissance and at the same time reduced air attacks.

https://tsn.ua/ru/exclusive/vsu-unichtozhili-desantnyy-korabl-novocherkassk-chto-izvestno-o-nochnoy-bavovne-v-krymu-foto-video-2479468.html

Another 20th century 46 yo military transport ship destroyed? Or was it just damaged? There is no clear proof. I saw one pic on telegram but frankly I wasn't able to see the ship at all in that photo.  ;D

You forgot to mention that both SU24 AFU fighter jets carrying missiles to attack Feodosia were downed?  ;D

And finally, this "great success" is overshadowed by AFU leaving Maryinka and preparing to withdraw from almost completely encircled Avdiivka. The news from the Southern front are also quite alarming - the Russians are attacking Rabotyne and Verbove and going to recapture the villages soon. The front is crumbling, AFU are experiencing huge shortage of artillery rounds and APCs. But the main shortage is the lack of troops. Average age of an AFU soldier has reached 54 years, soldiers are tired, scared and demoralized. 

So, my dear colonel Argoo (muahaha  ;D), perhaps it's time to join AFU as a volunteer? You aren't that old, should be only a bit over the recruitment age of 60? So are you still sitting at home doing nothing? What's your excuse, colonel?  ;D

P.S. I know that you are not a colonel and not over 60. I can tell it by many things, don't think I'm stupid. You are a liar and a coward that's what I'm sure about.  8) 


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on December 27, 2023, 05:05:49 AM

Another 20th century 46 yo military transport ship destroyed? Or was it just damaged? There is no clear proof. I saw one pic on telegram but frankly I wasn't able to see the ship at all in that photo.  ;D

You forgot to mention that both SU24 AFU fighter jets carrying missiles to attack Feodosia were downed?  ;D

The Novocherkassk landing craft was built in Poland under the USSR and put into operation in 1987. At the same time, from 1990 to 2007, Novocherkassk was mothballed. And only after that he was introduced into the active composition of the Russian Black Sea Fleet. Thus, it was used in the Navy for only 16 years. In fact, this is the newest ship of its class.

On March 24, 2022, exactly a month after the start of the Russian invasion, Novocherkassk was already coming under fire from the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Berdyansk port, when another large landing ship, Saratov, was destroyed, since the missile strike fell on the front, bow part of the ship, where the explosive cargo was located , then it not only burned, but detonated for several hours. Therefore, the ship was almost completely burned out.

According to preliminary data, Novocherkassk carried 4,400 artillery shells and 280 missiles for the Grad MLRS. Information about the Shahed-131/136 attack UAVs on board is being clarified.

According to information from Russian telegram channels, 23 crew members were found burned in their cabins. However, at the time of impact there were 62 crew members on board. The Russian Ministry of Defense reported the death of one serviceman

You can also see photos of the ship after the fire online. More precisely, what is left of him. The entire front half of the ship is now under water, it has completely disappeared. Large wreckage of the ship is now shown 650 meters away. The force of the explosions was so great that the nearby training vessel UTS-150 of the Black Sea Fleet also sank. To downplay the losses (Novocherkassk is estimated at about $8 million), Russia came up with the idea that they shot down two Ukrainian Armed Forces aircraft that were launching a missile attack on it.

https://focus.ua/voennye-novosti/615552-obuglennyj-metall-vyglyadyvaet-iz-vody-obnarodovali-foto-togo-chto-ostalos-ot-bdk-novocherkassk

https://www.dialog.ua/war/287164_1703613530



Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: DrBeer on December 27, 2023, 08:17:43 AM
And as always, a word or two about the economic success of the terrorist country :)

- Sales of men's clothing stopped growing in Russia after mobilization.  The Russian market of men's clothing fell into stagnation after the mobilization last autumn, when the authorities sent more than 300 thousand people to the front in Ukraine.

- The accelerated inflation is negating the growth of Russians' incomes, which the authorities present as one of the main indicators of their economic achievements. The first victims of rising prices are pensioners.

- Companies from China, Japan and France refused to finance a major LNG project in Russia due to sanctions. Foreign shareholders of Arctic LNG-2 have suspended their participation in the project and refused to fulfill their obligations to finance the plant, a government source told Kommersant.

- Visits by U.S. officials to the United Arab Emirates, which has become the largest hub for circumventing sanctions against Russia, did not go in vain.

UAE banks did not open accounts for Rosneft in the national currency - dirhams, which Russia's largest oil company planned to use for settlements with India, Reuters reports citing industry sources. According to them, Rosneft's subsidiary Sakhalin-1, which supplies Russian oil grade Sokol to Asia, failed to open an account in dirhams.

- Almost 60% of Russians have no savings for a rainy day, according to a survey of households' economic behavior conducted by the Higher School of Economics.

- Egg producers in the regions have started to prohibit price increases until after Putin's election.

By the way, for residents of normal countries, I will explain an interesting nuance - there is now a crisis in the availability of hen's eggs in Russia. All over the country. A country that, according to her, owns 40% of the world's resources :) But the "great geopolitician and leader of the Russians", explains the explosive rise in prices for eggs and their shortage on the market, you know what ? :) I'll tell you - "the standard of living of Russians has increased a lot, and they began to buy a lot of eggs, so the prices have risen" !  ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Manny@11111 on December 27, 2023, 09:16:43 AM
Russia only weaponize this which of course is a strategy to win war that's why all countries needs to come together to discourage any form of war because at the end the weaklings suffers the most


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Volimack on December 27, 2023, 02:00:03 PM
The war between Ukraine and Russia is having a significant impact on the global food supply chain. This conflict has exacerbated the challenges of lower middle income countries as well as vulnerable communities already suffering from food insecurity. Which is a major cause of global concern. The agency warned that the impact of the conflict in Ukraine on food prices and supplies alone would reduce the number of malnourished people.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: 0t3p0t on December 27, 2023, 05:31:06 PM
I think this kind of actions are unconventional and is illegal. Food and water  supply I think should not be targeted in time of a war but some countries weaponize this thing to pressure their enemies. The result of this is famine and will result into the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians and that is for me inhumane.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: DrBeer on December 28, 2023, 05:39:58 PM
I think this kind of actions are unconventional and is illegal. Food and water  supply I think should not be targeted in time of a war but some countries weaponize this thing to pressure their enemies. The result of this is famine and will result into the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians and that is for me inhumane.

Don't forget - russia is a terrorist country. russia is the ideologue of world terrorism. Russia is a sponsor of world terrorism. It uses terrorism against its own people (bombings of apartment buildings in Russia, organized by the FSB), against its neighbors (Ichkeria, Moldova, Georgia, Ukraine,...), against countries that say they are terrorists, against all those who prevent them from terrorism. They are not limited by moral and ethical norms, obligations. Their word is an empty sound! A treaty signed by them is worthless paper.
They organized physical terror, they are organizing economic terror, they are organizing a famine of people who depend on grain supplies from Ukraine....


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Wakate on December 28, 2023, 07:07:00 PM
I think this kind of actions are unconventional and is illegal. Food and water  supply I think should not be targeted in time of a war but some countries weaponize this thing to pressure their enemies. The result of this is famine and will result into the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians and that is for me inhumane.
The food security and supply had been hindered by the war between Russia and Ukraine. The supply of grain and wheat had also been hindered by the war and I don't know why the world  is not talking about it. Also the ban of rice export by India is another problem the world need to look into because this is one of the things that can cause world war 3 if this issues is not resolved and this put into peaceful talk. There is need for the world to come into  agreement to ensure there is well concrete decisions on how to make sure that food supply is sufficient in the world.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: jeha2015 on December 29, 2023, 07:21:46 AM
I think this kind of actions are unconventional and is illegal. Food and water  supply I think should not be targeted in time of a war but some countries weaponize this thing to pressure their enemies. The result of this is famine and will result into the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians and that is for me inhumane.

War will of course result in various kinds of problems, economic crisis and humanitarian crisis. The food and water supply crisis will always be a problem in every area where nesting occurs, not only in Ukraine and Russia but is currently happening in Palestine. how can we see so many victims falling every day, not to mention the supply of food and medicine being hampered at the border because they haven't been able to get permission to enter? There are still many other problems affected by this war.

World food security will also definitely be affected by war, especially during the war between Russia and Ukraine. Regarding food security in the world, it is not only the impact of Russia's war on Ukraine but also the embargo carried out by NATO which is the cause of world food and economic security. because basically the economic embargo carried out by NATO is causing misery to the world community, especially civil society who don't know anything are victims of the economic embargo carried out by NATO.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: cozytrade on January 11, 2024, 02:56:54 AM
The war in Ukraine and Russia had such an impact on the global food supply that it spelled disaster for the poor countries of the world. Due to the revenge of Ukraine and Russia, food shortages occur in almost all countries of the world due to not being able to supply food at the right time throughout the country. As a result, the price of food rises unexpectedly. Both Ukraine and Russia are major food producing countries. As a result of the war between these two countries, all systems of agricultural production were disrupted, disrupting food production, which had an impact on food prices. But now the food crisis is back to normal. But it was made possible by an agreement in 2003. This agreement made it possible to export food despite the war


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: serveria.com on January 11, 2024, 07:14:25 PM
Quote from: DrBeer
It uses terrorism against its own people (bombings of apartment buildings in Russia, organized by the FSB),
Not sure where you got this info (probably in your dreams as always), but you were misinformed. You probably mean cruel attacks against civilians organized and performed by Ukrainian war criminals led by Zelensky.

Quote from: DrBeer
against its neighbors (Ichkeria, Moldova, Georgia, Ukraine,...), against countries that say they are terrorists, against all those who prevent them from terrorism.
100% lies as always. Ichkeria doesn't exist. It's not a real country, it was created by CIA in an attempt to destroy Russia. Chechnya is a part of Russia. Russia never attacked Moldova or occupy it's territory. Russia never occupied Georgia or annex it's territory. Ukraine is another CIA project to provoke/attack Russia. Another CIA project in Belarus failed in 2020-2021.

Quote from: DrBeer
They are not limited by moral and ethical norms, obligations. Their word is an empty sound! A treaty signed by them is worthless paper.
You should know better, Ukraine signed Minsk treaty (twice) and breached it by bombing it's own civilians, ethnic Russians in Donbas for 7 years! A true example of honor, chivalry, valor and honesty!  ;D ;D ;D  


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Funke on January 13, 2024, 10:13:31 PM
Russians attack on Ukraine cannot tamper with food supply in the world. I cannot agree quite rightly with the data that as generalized.

No country is soly depending on Ukraine for food security. Although, it affects the people of Ukraine, the plan is to subject Ukraine into submission through hunger strikes.

Africans are sufficient in agricultural produces and we equally exports.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: DrBeer on January 14, 2024, 02:08:32 PM
A couple of revealing news from “great Russia” :)
1. Chicken disappeared from stores in Russia: officials came up with a ridiculous excuse. In Russia, against the backdrop of sanctions, the economic system continues to collapse, one of the manifestations of which has recently become a periodic shortage of chicken in stores. To justify themselves, Russian retailers and officials are inventing ridiculous reasons why poultry meat has disappeared from the shelves.

Thus, residents of a number of regions of Russia – in particular, Yekaterinburg, Samara, Chelyabinsk and Ulyanovsk – faced a shortage of the most affordable meat. Russia's largest retail chain X5, which owns the Pyaterochka, Perekrestok and Chizhik store chains, blamed bad weather.
2. Prices for eggs in Russia increased by 61% over the year and continue to rise. Inflation for 2023 met official forecasts, but many goods have risen in price by tens of percent, Rosstat reported. Beyond competition are eggs, prices for which increased by 61.4% and continued to rise in the new year.

Eggs rose in price by 18.2% in December, and by 61.35% in just a year. They became a symbol of inflation; President Vladimir Putin had to apologize for the rise in prices. In his characteristic manner, he asked how Minister of Agriculture Dmitry Patrushev was doing with his eggs, and he promised to improve: “I felt that I needed to work better <...> I hope that in the near future, at the beginning of the year, the price should go down.”
Since January, the government has zeroed out import duties on eggs, and supplies have begun from Turkey and Azerbaijan.

Russia is a country that has defeated common sense :)


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Xampeuu on January 14, 2024, 04:26:21 PM
The war in Ukraine and Russia had such an impact on the global food supply that it spelled disaster for the poor countries of the world. Due to the revenge of Ukraine and Russia, food shortages occur in almost all countries of the world due to not being able to supply food at the right time throughout the country. As a result, the price of food rises unexpectedly. Both Ukraine and Russia are major food producing countries. As a result of the war between these two countries, all systems of agricultural production were disrupted, disrupting food production, which had an impact on food prices. But now the food crisis is back to normal. But it was made possible by an agreement in 2003. This agreement made it possible to export food despite the war
Apart from the food crisis, another concern is the gas and oil resource crisis, which is most affected by European countries and this triggers a global crisis, considering that raw materials are difficult to obtain and of course this causes the price of goods to become higher, on the other hand, Europe does not take sides in Ukraine, which makes this even more difficult, and of course European exports are hampered until finally most countries in the world feel this


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: serveria.com on January 14, 2024, 04:31:06 PM
A couple of revealing news from “great Russia” :)
1. Chicken disappeared from stores in Russia: officials came up with a ridiculous excuse. In Russia, against the backdrop of sanctions, the economic system continues to collapse, one of the manifestations of which has recently become a periodic shortage of chicken in stores. To justify themselves, Russian retailers and officials are inventing ridiculous reasons why poultry meat has disappeared from the shelves.

Thus, residents of a number of regions of Russia – in particular, Yekaterinburg, Samara, Chelyabinsk and Ulyanovsk – faced a shortage of the most affordable meat. Russia's largest retail chain X5, which owns the Pyaterochka, Perekrestok and Chizhik store chains, blamed bad weather.
2. Prices for eggs in Russia increased by 61% over the year and continue to rise. Inflation for 2023 met official forecasts, but many goods have risen in price by tens of percent, Rosstat reported. Beyond competition are eggs, prices for which increased by 61.4% and continued to rise in the new year.

Eggs rose in price by 18.2% in December, and by 61.35% in just a year. They became a symbol of inflation; President Vladimir Putin had to apologize for the rise in prices. In his characteristic manner, he asked how Minister of Agriculture Dmitry Patrushev was doing with his eggs, and he promised to improve: “I felt that I needed to work better <...> I hope that in the near future, at the beginning of the year, the price should go down.”
Since January, the government has zeroed out import duties on eggs, and supplies have begun from Turkey and Azerbaijan.

Russia is a country that has defeated common sense :)

No sources again... probably seen it in your dreams as always?  ;D

Anyway, nice eye-opening article in New Your Times, some truth about situation in Ukraine. Here are some quotes of the key points:

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Ukrainians are weary, short of ammunition and outnumbered, and their prospects look bleak. “We can stop them for now, but who knows,” one soldier said. “Tomorrow or the next day, maybe we can’t stop them.”

Ukraine’s military prospects are looking bleak. Western military aid is no longer assured at the same levels as years past. Ukraine’s summer counteroffensive in the south, where Jaeger was wounded days after it began, is over, having failed to meet any of its objectives.

And now, Russian troops are on the attack, especially in the country’s east. The town of Marinka has all but fallen. Avdiivka is being slowly encircled. A push on Chasiv Yar, near Bakhmut, is expected. Farther north, outside Kupiansk, the fighting has barely slowed since the fall.

For now, Ukraine is in a perilous position. The problems afflicting its military have been exacerbated since the summer. Ukrainian soldiers are exhausted by long stretches of combat and shorter rest periods. The ranks, thinned by mounting casualties, are only being partly replenished, often with older and poorly trained recruits.

One Ukrainian soldier, part of a brigade tasked with holding the line southwest of Avdiivka, pointed to a video he took during training recently. The instructors, trying to stifle their laughs, were forced to hold up the man, who was in his mid-50s, just so he could fire his rifle. The man was crippled from alcoholism, said the soldier, insisting on anonymity to candidly describe a private training episode.

Three out of ten soldiers who show up are no better than drunks who fell asleep and woke up in uniform,” he said, referring to the new recruits who arrive at his brigade.

Kyiv’s recruiting strategy has been plagued by overly aggressive tactics and more widespread attempts to dodge the draft. Efforts to rectify the problem have spawned a political argument between the military and civilian leadership.

Military officials reinforce the need for wider mobilization to win the war, but the office of President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine is apprehensive about introducing unpopular changes that could end with a drive to mobilize 500,000 new soldiers. That number, analysts say, takes into account Ukraine’s staggering losses and what is likely needed to push back the Russians.

While Ukrainian casualties remain a closely guarded secret, U.S. officials over the summer estimated deaths and injuries to be well over 150,000.

“We’re tired,” a Ukrainian platoon commander said, speaking anonymously given the sensitivity of his comments. “We could always use more people.”

The shortage of troops is only one part of the problem. The other and currently more pressing issue is Ukraine’s dwindling ammunition reserves as continued Western supplies remain anything but certain. Ukrainian commanders now have to ration their ammunition, not knowing whether every new shipment might be their last.

Only when a truck carrying two artillery shells arrived could the crew get to work for the first time in days. They quickly loaded the shells and fired toward Russian soldiers attacking Ukrainian positions three miles away.

Today we had two shells, but some days we don’t have any in these positions,” said the crew’s commander, who goes by the call sign Monk. “The last time we fired was four days ago, and that was only five shells.”

The shortage of ammunition — and the shifting battlefield momentum — means the gunners are no longer supporting Ukrainian attacks. Instead, they only fire when Russian troops are storming Ukrainian trenches.

“We can stop them for now, but who knows,” Monk said. “Tomorrow or the next day, maybe we can’t stop them. It’s a really big problem for us.”

Near Kupiansk, a deputy battalion commander from the 68th Brigade, who goes by the call sign Italian, echoed Monk’s concerns.

I have two tanks, but only five shells,” said Italian, as he walked through a denuded tree line splintered by shelling about 500 yards from Russian positions in the Luhansk region. “It’s a bad situation now, especially in Avdiivka and Kupiansk.”

This ammunition imbalance has been felt across much of the more than 600-mile front line, Ukrainian soldiers said. The Russian units are in a position similar to the summer of 2022, where they can simply wear down a Ukrainian position until Kyiv’s forces run out of ordnance. But unlike that summer, there is no longer a frantic scramble in Western capitals to arm and re-equip Ukraine’s troops.

Outside Avdiivka, where Russian forces are concentrating much of their forces in the east, the rumble of artillery on one recent afternoon was almost nonstop. It was a soundtrack not heard since the war’s earlier months, when Russian paramilitary forces assaulted Bakhmut, eventually capturing it.

Washington’s suggestion for Ukraine to go on the defensive in 2024 will mean little if Kyiv does not have the ammunition or people to defend what territory it currently holds, analysts have said.

Our guys are getting pounded heavily,” said Bardak, a Ukrainian soldier working alongside Jaeger next to the derelict tank. “It’s hot all over
now.”

Source: Russia Regains Upper Hand in Ukraine’s East as Kyiv’s Troops Struggle  (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html).

Still worried about chicken meat and eggs?  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on January 25, 2024, 09:17:36 AM
Quote from: serveria.com
Ichkeria doesn't exist. It's not a real country, it was created by CIA in an attempt to destroy Russia. Chechnya is a part of Russia. Russia never attacked Moldova or occupy it's territory. Russia never occupied Georgia or annex it's territory. Ukraine is another CIA project to provoke/attack Russia. Another CIA project in Belarus failed in 2020-2021.
Russia's policy has always been distinguished by the fact that they tried to subjugate and humiliate neighboring peoples, using intimidation, blackmail and brute force. But all authoritarian states that rely on coercive power end up equally bad.
All nations and nationalities have the right to exist and develop their culture and identity. The fact that the Kremlin denies the existence of Chechens, Ukrainians, Moldovans and their right to statehood, declaring that there are no such nations and therefore their states cannot exist, is their problem. The Republic of Ichkeria will still be revived, and the Russians will not be able to capture Ukraine, and Georgia and Moldova will expel the Russian occupiers from their territories.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: DrBeer on January 26, 2024, 02:46:24 PM
.....

You also retell the touching propaganda tale about "28 Panfilovtsy" and how the USSR did not start the Second World War, but was its victim - the level of nonsense will be commensurate. You are the perfect heir of Soviet fans of fictitious victories ! :)
How are the A50, IL22, IL67 and why does a victorious country build air defense rings around St. Petersburg and Moscow ? :)

Dialogue with a person from real, fictional reality is over. Let's move on to real events:
1. As you have all noticed, after the rashist regime of Russia received a blow to the face, and was forced to withdraw its fleet to the eastern coast of the Black Sea, in the UN sharply disappeared squeals of pocket dogs of the Kremlin, that only Russia can save the world from hunger. No one is suffering anymore, there is no shortage of grain. But there is a cornered Russian Black Sea fleet. Or rather its miserable remnants :)
2 And some statistics from Rosstat :)
The cost of ritual services and goods has risen sharply in Russia against the background of the war with Ukraine, which brought the army record losses since the Second World War.
In 2022-23, the average price of coffin making in the country jumped 22.2%, according to statistics from Rosstat. In the first year of the war, coffins went up by 15.82%, and last year by another 5.55%.
https://fedstat.ru/indicator/31074
Perhaps the best indirect indicator of "economic stability" and "victories".
I'm sure this data will be classified soon too :)


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: bestcoins1 on January 26, 2024, 03:14:35 PM
Apart from the food crisis, another concern is the gas and oil resource crisis, which is most affected by European countries and this triggers a global crisis, considering that raw materials are difficult to obtain and of course this causes the price of goods to become higher, on the other hand, Europe does not take sides in Ukraine, which makes this even more difficult, and of course European exports are hampered until finally most countries in the world feel this

If it was only about the partiality of several European countries towards Ukraine, of course the top officials of European countries would make decisions that would not harm each other. In order not to experience difficulties from various sectors such as the food and gas and oil crises which in general are always needed by all countries in the world.

Now all countries must have strong diplomatic relations with several other countries, although not with all countries, so that any difficulties can definitely be handled well as long as certain countries do not make such ridiculous mistakes. Especially if this could create several crises in the important sectors that they use every day, both for consumption and for use in other important production within the country.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: pooya87 on January 26, 2024, 03:36:17 PM
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Ukrainians are weary, short of ammunition and outnumbered, and their prospects look bleak. “We can stop them for now, but who knows,” one soldier said. “Tomorrow or the next day, maybe we can’t stop them.”

Source: Russia Regains Upper Hand in Ukraine’s East as Kyiv’s Troops Struggle  (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html).
This is only going to get worse.
It started being the result of NATO weapons storages getting empty and their manufacturers not being able to meet the demand then it got worse as the weapons that were supposed to be sent to Ukraine for defense were sent to the Zionist regime to be used for genocide.
In the near future if the speculation about what the Coalition of Terror (US+UK+some microscopic countries) is about to do comes true (in short it has to do with Yemen) things would become a hundred times worse for Ukraine! Dare I say a complete occupation by the end of 2024?

P.S. It's not just weapons, it is troops (NATO commanders leading the Armed Forces of Ukraine + militia including ISIS terrorists that are efficient in fighting inside city ruins + mercenaries etc.), logistical support, intelligence support, other supplies, etc. it's all being pulled out of Ukraine heading to West Asia...


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Iroh on January 26, 2024, 03:58:10 PM
Russians attack on Ukraine cannot tamper with food supply in the world. I cannot agree quite rightly with the data that as generalized.

No country is soly depending on Ukraine for food security. Although, it affects the people of Ukraine, the plan is to subject Ukraine into submission through hunger strikes.

Africans are sufficient in agricultural produces and we equally exports.

Russians baseless attack on Ukraine did in fact disrupt the flow of food supply in the world. Ukraine is said to be the breadbasket of Europe. If you had done a little research, it would be clear to you in just a few clicks, just how grains from Ukraine feeds the world.
It’s literally suicide if a country solely depends on another country for food but it hasn’t stopped a good number of countries from largely relying on other countries like Ukraine for a good portion of their food supply.

Africa would seem sufficient in agricultural produce but it still imports a shit load of agricultural products as well with Ukraine being a good supplier of wheats and grains.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on January 26, 2024, 06:39:22 PM
Russians attack on Ukraine cannot tamper with food supply in the world. I cannot agree quite rightly with the data that as generalized.

No country is soly depending on Ukraine for food security. Although, it affects the people of Ukraine, the plan is to subject Ukraine into submission through hunger strikes.

Africans are sufficient in agricultural produces and we equally exports.

Russians baseless attack on Ukraine did in fact disrupt the flow of food supply in the world. Ukraine is said to be the breadbasket of Europe. If you had done a little research, it would be clear to you in just a few clicks, just how grains from Ukraine feeds the world.
It’s literally suicide if a country solely depends on another country for food but it hasn’t stopped a good number of countries from largely relying on other countries like Ukraine for a good portion of their food supply.

Africa would seem sufficient in agricultural produce but it still imports a shit load of agricultural products as well with Ukraine being a good supplier of wheats and grains.
Countries like Ukraine will continue to feed the world with agricultural products, as it has the largest reserves of black soil in the world. Chernozem occupies 44% of the territory of this country. Ukraine, which occupies 0.4% of the earth's landmass, contains about 27% of the world's black soil reserves. Translated into hectares of area, chernozems cover an area of 60.4 million hectares, of which almost 42 million hectares (about 69%) are farmland. Moreover, 78% of farmland is arable land.
Experts say that Ukraine can provide adequate nutrition to approximately 500 million people. This is largely facilitated by climatic conditions: fairly mild winters (average temperatures in different regions range from -4°C to -12°C), moderately warm summers (from +18°C to +25°C) and about 230 sunny days. days a year create almost ideal conditions for growing all major crops.

No matter how hard other states try to significantly increase agricultural productivity, if their land is not fertile enough, they will not succeed.
One of the reasons for Russia's current attack on Ukraine is the seizure of its black soil.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: serveria.com on January 27, 2024, 10:51:44 AM
Oh, you're still here? Why is that? You have to fight for your Motherland in Donbas! For such a great patriot like yourself, it's your #1 duty! Too afraid?

You also retell the touching propaganda tale about "28 Panfilovtsy" and how the USSR did not start the Second World War, but was its victim - the level of nonsense will be commensurate. You are the perfect heir of Soviet fans of fictitious victories ! :)
Oh, the USSR started the WW2? Mmmkay... your should check your mental health ASAP.  ;D What is the next BS you're saying? Hitler was a good guy in fact?  ;D

Quote from: DrBeer
How are the A50, IL22, IL67 and why does a victorious country build air defense rings around St. Petersburg and Moscow ? :)
Oh, I'm glad you mentioned that IL67 plane. For those who are not aware, it's the story of the glorious AFU downing the plane carrying UKRAINIAN prisoners of war!  ;D ;D ;D
Your military are really good at recycling your own citizens and troops. You'ŗe doing it at record rate! Should receive some award or medal from Putin for that!  ;D

Quote from: DrBeer
Dialogue with a person from real, fictional reality is over. Let's move on to real events:
1. As you have all noticed, after the rashist regime of Russia received a blow to the face, and was forced to withdraw its fleet to the eastern coast of the Black Sea, in the UN sharply disappeared squeals of pocket dogs of the Kremlin, that only Russia can save the world from hunger. No one is suffering anymore, there is no shortage of grain. But there is a cornered Russian Black Sea fleet. Or rather its miserable remnants :)
2 And some statistics from Rosstat :)
The cost of ritual services and goods has risen sharply in Russia against the background of the war with Ukraine, which brought the army record losses since the Second World War.
In 2022-23, the average price of coffin making in the country jumped 22.2%, according to statistics from Rosstat. In the first year of the war, coffins went up by 15.82%, and last year by another 5.55%.
https://fedstat.ru/indicator/31074
Perhaps the best indirect indicator of "economic stability" and "victories".
I'm sure this data will be classified soon too :)
Your link to the "source" doesn't work (as always) so I presume just another "facts" you saw in your dream?  ;D


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on January 28, 2024, 10:41:50 AM

Oh, I'm glad you mentioned that IL67 plane. For those who are not aware, it's the story of the glorious AFU downing the plane carrying UKRAINIAN prisoners of war!  ;D ;D ;D
Your military are really good at recycling your own citizens and troops. You'ŗe doing it at record rate! Should receive some award or medal from Putin for that!  ;D
In the story of the crash of the Russian Il-76 military transport aircraft in the Korochansky district of the Belgorod region on Wednesday, January 24, there are still more questions than answers. The Russian Federation stated that there were 65 captured Ukrainian military personnel on board the plane, who were transported to the Belgorod region for exchange for Russian prisoners of war in Ukraine. But there are many inconsistencies in this story.

1. According to information from the Russian Ministry of Defense, there were also six crew members and three accompanying persons on board; the crew and all passengers of the plane were killed. The Baza Telegram channel published the names of three escorts who allegedly accompanied Ukrainian prisoners of war on the Il-76 plane: warrant officer I. Gavrish, corporals I. Shashkov and N. Kulikov. Such a small number of guards is puzzling; former prisoners of war say that the Russians are so afraid of even Ukrainians who are exhausted in captivity that they usually assign about 20 guards for every 50 guys. Therefore, information about three escorts for 65 prisoners looks like an ordinary fantasy.

2. It is interesting that the incident with the plane was preceded by an alarm in Belgorod, during which citizens were ordered to move away from the windows. Allegedly, Russian air defense at that time was trying to shoot down flying Ukrainian drones. Therefore, the IL-76 could well have shot down its own air defense, which the launched missile could have switched to.

3. After the announcement of the crash of the Il-76, everyone they could was brought to the crash site, then suddenly only the structures of the Ministry of Defense and the security bloc were ordered to remain. Even the rescuers of the Ministry of Emergency Situations were kicked out. The crash site was surrounded within a radius of several kilometers so that no one could approach. One eyewitness said that large objects were thrown from the side before the fall. It could be cargo or securities.

4. The BBC showed a video of the wreckage of a Russian Il-76 to military experts: in their opinion, the damage most likely indicates that the plane was shot down by an anti-aircraft missile.

5. If there really were prisoners of war on board the plane, a large number of human bodies would have been found in the area. After the tragedy in Olenivka, when Ukrainian prisoners of war were killed, terrible footage of killed Ukrainians immediately appeared online. In this situation, not a single photo or video of the dead was shown. Along with the crew, there are 74 people on board, but not a single body on the field. In turn, it was known that the cargo on board the plane were anti-aircraft guided missiles for the S-300 air defense system. This version is confirmed by the fact that nothing remained of the plane after the fall, and parts of its fuselage were scattered across the field. After the fall and impact with the ground, there was also a powerful detonation of the ammunition.

6. Trying to convince everyone that there were Ukrainian prisoners of war on board who were just being transported to the Ukrainian border, the Russians forgot that aircraft flights are recorded by Flightradar. According to him, the plane was moving from Belgorod to the north of the city, but not towards the border with Ukraine. To be more precise, it was established that the Il-76 followed the course "Belgorod - Okolets", that is, it moved away from the border of Ukraine, and did not approach it. Even local publics already admit this, and eyewitnesses also say this.

7. Russian propagandist Margarita Simonyan hastily published a list of supposedly dead Ukrainian prisoners of war. However, it turned out that at least 18 men from this list had already been exchanged - back in early January. For example, number twenty-two on the list was Maxim Konovalenko, who was allegedly on the downed plane, but he returned home on January 4.

8. Russia, during a meeting of the UN Security Council, was unable to prove the correctness of its version of events regarding the downing of Il-76. Therefore, the UN said it could not establish exactly who was on board the Russian Il-76 military aircraft because Russia had not provided enough evidence. It is interesting that Ukraine insists on an investigation into this incident by an international group, but Russia is against such an investigation. Typically, such behavior by Russia should be regarded as an admission of guilt. It is too early to put an end to this incident. Surely other facts will appear that will indicate what the cargo was actually in the downed Russian IL-76.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: DrBeer on January 31, 2024, 11:38:56 AM
That's it, let's split up :)
As it turned out - if Russia is given a kick in the pants and not to give it the opportunity to engage in international terrorism - there will be no problems with food ! :)

The recipe for solving the problem of food security is very simple - destroy international terrorists and carriers of this ideology, do not fall for their pathetic false squeals, and there will be no problems !


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on February 02, 2024, 04:39:47 AM
Ukraine has reached pre-war levels of agricultural sales from its Black Sea ports thanks to the successful destruction of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, which previously blocked Ukraine's international trade.

Thus, on February 1, 2024, naval drones of the Group 13 unit of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine destroyed the Russian missile boat Ivanovets in the Black Sea near a protected naval base on Lake Donuzlav in temporarily occupied Crimea.

The Project 12411 missile boat, with a displacement of 493 tons, with a crew of 40 people, is armed with supersonic anti-ship missiles "Moskit" P-270 with a range of 130 km, artillery of various calibers and an anti-aircraft missile system "Igla" or "Strela" has a length of 56 meters and a width of 10 meters and is designed to destroy enemy surface combat ships, landing and transport vehicles and ships at sea, bases, naval groups and their cover, as well as to cover their ships and vessels from surface and air threats.

Judging by the video, a group of at least five naval drones of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense attacked the missile boat one after another between 03:00-04:00 hours, apparently carrying out combat patrols and defense of the base. It should be noted that Russian intelligence did not notice the approach of the drones. The crew of the missile boat, judging by the video, noticed the approach of the drones visually only before the attack. The boat was on the move at the time of the attack and could maneuver. The missile boat can reach speeds of over 30 knots and simply get away from the drones. But “Ivanovets” did not have time to pick up speed.

The bow 76-mm anti-aircraft artillery mount AK-176, apparently, was in the stowed position, that is, it did not turn on and did not open fire. It is also not noticeable that the Russians had time to bring into battle two 30-mm AK-630 anti-aircraft artillery mounts, which are capable of delivering dense fire at moving targets at close ranges. But, obviously, machine gun fire was opened on the drones at close range by the duty watch. However, due to the small size, speed and maneuverability of the drones, the Russians were unable to hit them.

The well-chosen attack tactics of the Group 13 commanders is admirable - the first drone hit the stern of the boat from the starboard side in order to disable the propellers. The boat was unable to reach full speed, but did not stop. Then the second drone also hit the propellers, but from the left side. With these two blows, the boat was reliably deprived of movement and maneuver. After which the ship was successfully finished off. The third drone struck the middle of the hull under the Mosquito missile launchers and caused a large hole in the port side. But the results of the hit are visible from the camera of the fourth drone, which the operator directed directly into the crater from the third drone in the same place. The explosion from the fourth drone was fatal for the ship. As a result of the impact, four Mosquito missiles detonated, each with a total mass of four tons. After about 40 more minutes, the Russian ship sank and sank.

This is a fairly significant loss for the Russian Black Sea Fleet, given the presence of only three such Project 1241.1 boats in its composition.
https://news.liga.net/amp/politics/video/v-krymu-unichtozhen-rossiyskiy-raketnyy-kater-ivanovets-video-operatsii-ot-razvedki


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on February 15, 2024, 04:47:09 AM
Another warship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet sank. At dawn on February 14, the Ukrainian Armed Forces attacked the large Russian landing ship Caesar Kunikov with five Magura V5 naval drones. The ship, which was carrying ammunition, received critical damage to its port side, after which it listed and sank near Alupka, a few kilometers from the coast of the occupied Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea. According to Ukrainian intelligence, most of the crew members were killed.

The successful attack on the ship "Caesar Kunikov" was made possible thanks to the coordinated and refined "pack tactics". And the occupiers countered this only with sailors with machine guns.

The first naval drone aimed at the ship in the bow. There is a bow ramp - a vulnerable spot. Therefore, the first hole appeared in the main hold. The second drone attacked the compartment with the power plant from the left side, that is, the last third of the hull. And the third hit the same spot, only increasing the defeat.

Experts also emphasize that there were two 57-mm twin AK-725 automatic cannons on board the Caesar Kunikov. But in the video you can’t hear their work, but only the occupiers are visible, running chaotically and trying to hit the drones with machine guns.

Since the beginning of a full-scale war, Ukraine has already eliminated four Russian large landing craft. Russia still has five of them in service, and four more are under repair. At this rate, by the end of the year, the Russian Black Sea Fleet may cease to exist. Ukraine is successfully addressing issues of global shipping safety in the Black Sea.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: serveria.com on February 17, 2024, 05:06:02 PM
Another warship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet sank. At dawn on February 14, the Ukrainian Armed Forces attacked the large Russian landing ship Caesar Kunikov with five Magura V5 naval drones. The ship, which was carrying ammunition, received critical damage to its port side, after which it listed and sank near Alupka, a few kilometers from the coast of the occupied Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea. According to Ukrainian intelligence, most of the crew members were killed.

The successful attack on the ship "Caesar Kunikov" was made possible thanks to the coordinated and refined "pack tactics". And the occupiers countered this only with sailors with machine guns.

The first naval drone aimed at the ship in the bow. There is a bow ramp - a vulnerable spot. Therefore, the first hole appeared in the main hold. The second drone attacked the compartment with the power plant from the left side, that is, the last third of the hull. And the third hit the same spot, only increasing the defeat.

Experts also emphasize that there were two 57-mm twin AK-725 automatic cannons on board the Caesar Kunikov. But in the video you can’t hear their work, but only the occupiers are visible, running chaotically and trying to hit the drones with machine guns.

Since the beginning of a full-scale war, Ukraine has already eliminated four Russian large landing craft. Russia still has five of them in service, and four more are under repair. At this rate, by the end of the year, the Russian Black Sea Fleet may cease to exist. Ukraine is successfully addressing issues of global shipping safety in the Black Sea.

Warship? C'mon, colonel! You mean a military transport built 40+ years ago in Soviet times?  ;D And btw, AFU already reported that this ship was destroyed! How many time they have to destroy old Russian transports? 3? 4?  ;D

Btw, Russian warships (real warships like rocket cruisers etc.) are not hiding anywhere - they continue to take part in regular missile strikes in the Black Sea launching rockets aiming military targets all across Ukraine. These strikes happen regularly 1-2 times a month, sometimes even more frequently.

Anyway, while you were jerking off to a glorious victory over an ancient cargo ship, the Russians have captured Avdiivka, a heavily fortified town near Donetsk which was held by AFU since 2014. Tons of dead and injured Ukrainian troops, hundreds have surrendered. Next line of defense? Sloviansk/Kramatorsk which are located 100+ km away!  :o  

News from the South: Russians have attacked Rabotyne, AFU are running in panic. Are Russians going to attack and recapture Kherson?


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: DrBeer on February 19, 2024, 03:20:57 PM
Another warship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet sank. At dawn on February 14, the Ukrainian Armed Forces attacked the large Russian landing ship Caesar Kunikov with five Magura V5 naval drones. The ship, which was carrying ammunition, received critical damage to its port side, after which it listed and sank near Alupka, a few kilometers from the coast of the occupied Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea. According to Ukrainian intelligence, most of the crew members were killed.

The successful attack on the ship "Caesar Kunikov" was made possible thanks to the coordinated and refined "pack tactics". And the occupiers countered this only with sailors with machine guns.

The first naval drone aimed at the ship in the bow. There is a bow ramp - a vulnerable spot. Therefore, the first hole appeared in the main hold. The second drone attacked the compartment with the power plant from the left side, that is, the last third of the hull. And the third hit the same spot, only increasing the defeat.

Experts also emphasize that there were two 57-mm twin AK-725 automatic cannons on board the Caesar Kunikov. But in the video you can’t hear their work, but only the occupiers are visible, running chaotically and trying to hit the drones with machine guns.

Since the beginning of a full-scale war, Ukraine has already eliminated four Russian large landing craft. Russia still has five of them in service, and four more are under repair. At this rate, by the end of the year, the Russian Black Sea Fleet may cease to exist. Ukraine is successfully addressing issues of global shipping safety in the Black Sea.

Warship? C'mon, colonel! You mean a military transport built 40+ years ago in Soviet times?  ;D And btw, AFU already reported that this ship was destroyed! How many time they have to destroy old Russian transports? 3? 4?  ;D

Btw, Russian warships (real warships like rocket cruisers etc.) are not hiding anywhere - they continue to take part in regular missile strikes in the Black Sea launching rockets aiming military targets all across Ukraine. These strikes happen regularly 1-2 times a month, sometimes even more frequently.

Anyway, while you were jerking off to a glorious victory over an ancient cargo ship, the Russians have captured Avdiivka, a heavily fortified town near Donetsk which was held by AFU since 2014. Tons of dead and injured Ukrainian troops, hundreds have surrendered. Next line of defense? Sloviansk/Kramatorsk which are located 100+ km away!  :o  

News from the South: Russians have attacked Rabotyne, AFU are running in panic. Are Russians going to attack and recapture Kherson?



And as usual you are habitually lying and making up "facts" ? I will once again dunk you in your lies, it has always been easy - as the truth always wins :)

Caesar Kunikov: The ship was built at the shipyard in Gdansk (factory number 775/24), launched in 1986. Joined the 197th Landing Ship Brigade of the 39th Marine Landing Force Division based at Novoozernoye, Donuzlav in 1991.

Armament
Artillery 2 × 2 × 57-mm AK-725s
Missile armament 2 × 20 × 122-mm Grad-M MLRSs
MANPADS "Strela-2"

This is a typical "transporter", isn't it ?  ;D

After the destruction of the Russian large landing ship Caesar Kunikov in the Black Sea, only five of the 13 ships of the Russian Black Sea Fleet remain "in service".
I think you can easily calculate the forecast, taking into account the degradation of the terrorist army of the Russian Federation, and the increase in the production of marine drones by the AFU, which the "second army of the world" still cannot resist  ;D


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Casdinyard on February 19, 2024, 04:51:30 PM
On July 17, 2023, Russia withdrew from the “grain agreement” and officially notified Turkey and Ukraine, as well as the UN secretariat, of its objection to the extension of the “grain deal” for the export of grain and other agricultural products from Ukrainian ports to the world market.

In connection with the termination of the Black Sea Initiative and the curtailment of the maritime humanitarian corridor, from 00:00 Moscow time on July 20, 2023, all ships en route to Ukrainian ports in the Black Sea will be considered as potential carriers of military cargo. Accordingly, the flag countries of such vessels will be considered involved in the Ukrainian conflict on the side of the Kyiv regime, the Russian Defense Ministry said.

Thus, Russia stated that it intends to sink any civilian ships that will be sent to the Black Sea ports of Ukraine. This will greatly complicate the delivery of agricultural products to many poor regions of the world. Due to Russia's sabotage of the "grain corridor" in recent months, the world has not received an additional 25 million tons of agricultural products from Ukraine. In total, 1,002 vessels left Ukrainian ports during the year of this agreement. According to the Ministry of Infrastructure of Ukraine, since the start of the “grain agreement”, more than 33 million tons of products of Ukrainian farmers have been exported to 45 countries of the world.

It is worth noting that after withdrawing from the grain deal, Russia has been attacking Ukrainian ports with missiles and drones for the third night in a row, trying to hit terminals with Ukrainian grain. So, on July 19, 60,000 tons of grain were destroyed in the terminal of the Ukrainian port of Chornomorsk, which was planned to be delivered to the world market two months ago.

With its piracy, Russia is blackmailing the whole world, trying to partially lift sanctions for its military invasion of Ukraine and jeopardizing food security in the world, thereby increasing the threat of hunger in many poor countries of the world.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://1prime.ru/state_regulation/20230719/841129477.html&ved=2ahUKEwjp-8fln5uAAxUCGhAIHUh2CGgQFnoECB4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw2Y-4 amIIxS74jQpfr8rfTw

https://news.zerkalo.io/world/44156.html

https://m.gordonua.com/news/war/rossiya-zayavila-chto-budet-schitat-vse-suda-idushchie-v-ukrainskie-porty-perevozchikami-gruzov-voennogo-naznacheniya-1673774.html
This only relates to countries directly dependent upon Russia's export, which mind you is not a lot of countries to begin with.

And while yes it could affect them drastically, we have better exporters in the form of Thailand and South Korea for the Asian Continent and Perhaps the temperate agricultural countries like Brazil and Portugal (correct me if I'm wrong) for the western hemisphere, so it's not like the countries who were just outed because of this selfish tactic's out of options. It's pretty much the same thing as what happened with Ukraine and Russia, the latter wishes to annex it once again just like back in the Soviet Union days to make use of their resources and increase power against the opposition that's brewing against other countries.

In any case, we'll see how this pans out in the long run. I'm thinking countries affected by the grain agreement will eventually find a way to circumvent the issues that they will face from this which would effectively hurt Russia's economy even more considering that's one more country out of their alliances/payroll. Oh well.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: DrBeer on February 20, 2024, 10:35:13 AM
As it turned out, agricultural subsidies in Russia amount to more than 0.5 trillion rubles in 2022. At the same time, the quality of products is declining, and margins are decreasing. And what has grown ? And degradation of fertile land has increased - it has increased dramatically, due to the use of extremely aggressive fertilizers and their deliberate overdose. And it can become a "vicious" circle with increasing level of problems - more harsh fertilizers => more land degradation => lower yield => higher dosage of fertilizers => .....

PS by the way, the so-called "growth of wheat production in Russia", which Russia sells to foreign markets, is caused by... stealing grain in Ukraine, and growing grain on stolen (temporarily occupied) Ukrainian land, using the same inadequate methods used in Russia.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: serveria.com on February 21, 2024, 08:15:40 PM
As it turned out, agricultural subsidies in Russia amount to more than 0.5 trillion rubles in 2022. At the same time, the quality of products is declining, and margins are decreasing. And what has grown ? And degradation of fertile land has increased - it has increased dramatically, due to the use of extremely aggressive fertilizers and their deliberate overdose. And it can become a "vicious" circle with increasing level of problems - more harsh fertilizers => more land degradation => lower yield => higher dosage of fertilizers => .....

PS by the way, the so-called "growth of wheat production in Russia", which Russia sells to foreign markets, is caused by... stealing grain in Ukraine, and growing grain on stolen (temporarily occupied) Ukrainian land, using the same inadequate methods used in Russia.

And the source of this info? Russia has occupied ~20% of the territory of Ukraine but I really don't think that any grain can be grown there. Most of the land was ruined by the war: mines planted, destroyed by shells and tracks of heavy armored vehicles. It's also unsafe to do any farming there. So I think you're lying again. Not surprised.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: DrBeer on February 21, 2024, 08:37:11 PM
As it turned out, agricultural subsidies in Russia amount to more than 0.5 trillion rubles in 2022. At the same time, the quality of products is declining, and margins are decreasing. And what has grown ? And degradation of fertile land has increased - it has increased dramatically, due to the use of extremely aggressive fertilizers and their deliberate overdose. And it can become a "vicious" circle with increasing level of problems - more harsh fertilizers => more land degradation => lower yield => higher dosage of fertilizers => .....

PS by the way, the so-called "growth of wheat production in Russia", which Russia sells to foreign markets, is caused by... stealing grain in Ukraine, and growing grain on stolen (temporarily occupied) Ukrainian land, using the same inadequate methods used in Russia.

And the source of this info? Russia has occupied ~20% of the territory of Ukraine but I really don't think that any grain can be grown there. Most of the land was ruined by the war: mines planted, destroyed by shells and tracks of heavy armored vehicles. It's also unsafe to do any farming there. So I think you're lying again. Not surprised.


if you have a brain and are not afraid of the truth - you will find it yourself very easily:

"During the invasion of Ukraine in 2022, attacks on agricultural infrastructure, seizure of farms and theft of grain and other produce became systemic. Farmers who remained in the occupied territories were forced to sell their crops at undervalued prices in order to keep their farms. Bloomberg estimates that 4.04 million tons of grain and sunflower seeds worth $1.9 billion were stolen from the 2021 harvest.

Ukrainian grain is smuggled through Crimea to Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Saudi Arabia, etc. Journalists have tracked dozens of ships involved in the illegal export of grain. To hide the source of the cargo, Russia resorts to "laundering" the grain: loading is done at sea without entering the port, Ukrainian grain is mixed with cargo from other sources, dry cargo ships turn off their transponders to hide their movements"

And about what was destroyed, burned and crushed by the caterpillars of Rashist tanks - you are right. You've spoken out of the blue! Aren't you afraid that your relatives or neighbors will denounce you? :)


PS And the question is - can you tell me why, while the Rashist fleet was operating in the Black Sea, Russia was screaming in all outlets about “starving countries”, and when Russia received a powerful kick, and a significant part of its Black Sea Fleet became a submarine fleet, it immediately shut up and stopped put forward demands for “organizing humanitarian cargo with grain”? Just come up with a not very funny fairy tale, please  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Ozero on February 23, 2024, 11:10:44 AM

PS by the way, the so-called "growth of wheat production in Russia", which Russia sells to foreign markets, is caused by... stealing grain in Ukraine, and growing grain on stolen (temporarily occupied) Ukrainian land, using the same inadequate methods used in Russia.

And the source of this info? Russia has occupied ~20% of the territory of Ukraine but I really don't think that any grain can be grown there. Most of the land was ruined by the war: mines planted, destroyed by shells and tracks of heavy armored vehicles. It's also unsafe to do any farming there. So I think you're lying again. Not surprised.
The Russians are massively robbing Ukraine, including agricultural products, as well as tractors, combines and everything that can be taken out and stolen. Perhaps the nation is so thieving.

Russia even faces problems in selling stolen grain, and therefore tries to pass it off as its own. Most countries refuse to buy grain if there is evidence of its origin from Crimea. However, according to media reports, the stolen grain ended up in Turkey and Syria. It could also have reached Africa.

The Ukrainian Grain Association estimates that in 2022 alone, Russians stole about 4 million tons of grain from Ukraine. You can read how they steal here.
https://www.epravda.com.ua/rus/news/2023/05/25/700503/
How they sometimes bring out evidence of this here.
https://www.bbc.com/russian/features-61954274

  Putin no longer hides the fact that he is stealing Ukrainian grain, and offers to “exchange” it for the lifting of sanctions from the Russian Federation.
https://www.unian.net/economics/agro/voyna-2022-putin-ne-skryvaet-chto-voruet-ukrainskoe-zerno-predlagaet-obmenyat-ego-na-snyatie-sankciy-novosti-11909766.html? utm_source=unian&utm_medium=read_more_news&utm_campaign=read_more_news_in_post

As a result of the full-scale Russian invasion, Ukraine lost the ability to grow grains and oilseeds on an area of about 6 million hectares due to occupation and mine contamination.
However, despite this, in the territories of Ukraine temporarily occupied by Russian troops in 2023, about 6.4 million tons of wheat and almost 1.5 million tons of sunflower were harvested. Bloomberg reports this with reference to NASA. But in 2023, about 7% of Ukraine's agricultural land was abandoned, mostly along the front line.
https://agroportal.ua/ru/news/ukraina/u-nasa-porahuvali-skilki-zerna-rosiya-cogorich-vkrala-v-ukrajini


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on March 03, 2024, 11:08:43 AM


Anyway, while you were jerking off to a glorious victory over an ancient cargo ship, the Russians have captured Avdiivka, a heavily fortified town near Donetsk which was held by AFU since 2014. Tons of dead and injured Ukrainian troops, hundreds have surrendered. Next line of defense? Sloviansk/Kramatorsk which are located 100+ km away!  :o  

News from the South: Russians have attacked Rabotyne, AFU are running in panic. Are Russians going to attack and recapture Kherson?
The Russians turned the positions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces near Avdeevka into a pile of small stones with the help of guided bombs weighing up to a ton or more continuously dropped from SU-34 fighter-bombers. Therefore, the Ukrainian Armed Forces were forced to retreat to the next defensive positions behind this settlement. At the same time, a few more “victories” like those at Avdeevka and the Russians will have nothing to fight with. This is especially true for tanks and armored vehicles. Only near Avdeevka, Muscovites lost more of their soldiers than the USSR during ten years of war in Afghanistan

The Russian Z-blogger Lev Vershinin publicly stated about the losses near Avdeevka. In particular, he published a letter from the wives of deceased Russian soldiers, which talks about the number of victims. For example, in regiment No. 1015, out of 2,300 people, only 30 remained. And such losses are not only in this regiment.
https://www.unian.net/war/ot-polka-ostalos-30-chelovek-z-bloger-spalil-dikie-poteri-rossii-v-avdeevke-novosti-vtorzheniya-rossii-na-ukrainu-amp- 12561381.html

But the situation in this sector of the front has stabilized after 15 Russian aircraft were shot down since February 17, that is, over the last two weeks: 12 SU-34 fighter-bombers, two SU-35 fighters and one airborne early warning and control aircraft A -50. Since yesterday evening, not a single Russian military aircraft has appeared on the eastern front.
https://glavred.info/ukraine/amp-posle-likvidacii-su-34-aviaciya-rf-ne-riskuet-vs-ne-zafiksirovali-ni-odnogo-samoleta-10546844.html

And regarding the panicked flight of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the village of Rabotino, then from February 17, when you wrote this post, the Armed Forces of Ukraine could have already retreated to Kyiv, if this had been the case in reality. But Rabotino is still under the control of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and Russians continue to die there en masse due to their continuous assaults.

By the way, today in a morning report to the Secretary of the Russian Security Council Nikolai Patrushev, representatives of the Russian Ministry of Defense reported that the irretrievable losses of personnel of the Russian Armed Forces in Ukraine amounted to 413,173 people. This was reported by the Russian public page “Kremlin Snuffbox”. Here we must also add 76,192 deaths from PMCs. Together this amounts to 489,365 people.
https://donpress.com/news/02-03-2024-v-kremle-podschitali-poteri-rossii-v-voyne-protiv-ukrainy

And most occupiers don’t even know why the  are giving their lives. A wild horde has broken into another country and is trying to kill everyone.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: serveria.com on March 03, 2024, 03:16:45 PM


Anyway, while you were jerking off to a glorious victory over an ancient cargo ship, the Russians have captured Avdiivka, a heavily fortified town near Donetsk which was held by AFU since 2014. Tons of dead and injured Ukrainian troops, hundreds have surrendered. Next line of defense? Sloviansk/Kramatorsk which are located 100+ km away!  :o  

News from the South: Russians have attacked Rabotyne, AFU are running in panic. Are Russians going to attack and recapture Kherson?
The Russians turned the positions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces near Avdeevka into a pile of small stones with the help of guided bombs weighing up to a ton or more continuously dropped from SU-34 fighter-bombers. Therefore, the Ukrainian Armed Forces were forced to retreat to the next defensive positions behind this settlement. At the same time, a few more “victories” like those at Avdeevka and the Russians will have nothing to fight with. This is especially true for tanks and armored vehicles. Only near Avdeevka, Muscovites lost more of their soldiers than the USSR during ten years of war in Afghanistan

The Russian Z-blogger Lev Vershinin publicly stated about the losses near Avdeevka. In particular, he published a letter from the wives of deceased Russian soldiers, which talks about the number of victims. For example, in regiment No. 1015, out of 2,300 people, only 30 remained. And such losses are not only in this regiment.
https://www.unian.net/war/ot-polka-ostalos-30-chelovek-z-bloger-spalil-dikie-poteri-rossii-v-avdeevke-novosti-vtorzheniya-rossii-na-ukrainu-amp- 12561381.html

But the situation in this sector of the front has stabilized after 15 Russian aircraft were shot down since February 17, that is, over the last two weeks: 12 SU-34 fighter-bombers, two SU-35 fighters and one airborne early warning and control aircraft A -50. Since yesterday evening, not a single Russian military aircraft has appeared on the eastern front.
https://glavred.info/ukraine/amp-posle-likvidacii-su-34-aviaciya-rf-ne-riskuet-vs-ne-zafiksirovali-ni-odnogo-samoleta-10546844.html

And regarding the panicked flight of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the village of Rabotino, then from February 17, when you wrote this post, the Armed Forces of Ukraine could have already retreated to Kyiv, if this had been the case in reality. But Rabotino is still under the control of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and Russians continue to die there en masse due to their continuous assaults.

By the way, today in a morning report to the Secretary of the Russian Security Council Nikolai Patrushev, representatives of the Russian Ministry of Defense reported that the irretrievable losses of personnel of the Russian Armed Forces in Ukraine amounted to 413,173 people. This was reported by the Russian public page “Kremlin Snuffbox”. Here we must also add 76,192 deaths from PMCs. Together this amounts to 489,365 people.
https://donpress.com/news/02-03-2024-v-kremle-podschitali-poteri-rossii-v-voyne-protiv-ukrainy

And most occupiers don’t even know why the  are giving their lives. A wild horde has broken into another country and is trying to kill everyone.

You are clueless, my dear colonel. You are only using Ukrainian media as a source. I think you will be surprised soon.  ;D

Meanwhile, in the real world (not the Ukrainian propaganda outlets) things are looking grim for Ukraine. Technically, they have lost the war already, they just don't realize it yet. Ukraine is simply running out of soldiers due to heavy losses they suffered, first in Mariupol, later at Bakhmut and recently in Avdiivka. Not less than 500.000 troops have been killed or severely injured. AFU are running scared, there's simply no any more defence lines left. Ukraine keeps losing 2-3 small towns EVERY SINGLE DAY after the loss of Avdiivka.

So, maybe it's time to join the glorious AFU, colonel? You can join AFU as a volunteer. You need to protect your Motherland isn't that so?  8)


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on March 04, 2024, 08:40:29 AM

Meanwhile, in the real world (not the Ukrainian propaganda outlets) things are looking grim for Ukraine. Technically, they have lost the war already, they just don't realize it yet. Ukraine is simply running out of soldiers due to heavy losses they suffered, first in Mariupol, later at Bakhmut and recently in Avdiivka. Not less than 500.000 troops have been killed or severely injured. AFU are running scared, there's simply no any more defence lines left. Ukraine keeps losing 2-3 small towns EVERY SINGLE DAY after the loss of Avdiivka.

I present official statistics from my country, which I generally trust. I shouldn’t refer to information from Russian propaganda, which is generally far from reality. But in your messages I don’t see any links at all to the source of the information you specified. For example, where did you get the information that Ukraine lost 500,000 of its troops killed or seriously wounded?

Even if we do not take into account information about losses from the Ukrainian leadership, during 2023 Ukrainian losses were repeatedly mentioned in the Western media. Thus, citing leaks of American intelligence documents, the Reuters news agency in May 2023 wrote about 15.5 - 17.5 thousand dead and 109-113 thousand wounded Ukrainians. In August, The New York Times estimated the losses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces at around 70 thousand killed and 100-120 thousand wounded, and in October Time magazine already wrote about 100 thousand dead. At the same time, the losses of the Russian military, according to officials, were approximately twice as large.

The New York Times recently cited a figure of 500,000 killed and wounded, citing unnamed US administration officials.
But this was the number of casualties on both sides of the war in Ukraine in the year and a half since the start of the full-scale invasion in February 2022.

Are the Ukrainian Armed Forces fleeing near Avdeevka? Yes, recently three assault groups of the Ukrainian Armed Forces again ran into Avdeevka itself and captured several Russians.
https://m.gazeta.ua/ru/articles/life/_v-avdeevku-voshli-ukrainskie-vojska-i-zahvatili-plennyh/1173648

The situation there is developing very dynamically, since the occupiers sometimes destroy fortifications with heavy guided bombs and there is no point in holding them. But in general, the situation there has stabilized and the Russians are again stuck in the defense of the Ukrainian Armed Forces behind Avdievka and cannot advance further.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: serveria.com on March 04, 2024, 04:14:42 PM
I present official statistics from my country, which I generally trust. I shouldn’t refer to information from Russian propaganda, which is generally far from reality.
President Zelensky announced recently that AFU losses have reached 31k. So, according to your statement above you believe that it's actually so?  ;D

Quote from: Argoo
But in your messages I don’t see any links at all to the source of the information you specified. For example, where did you get the information that Ukraine lost 500,000 of its troops killed or seriously wounded?
You know that unlike you, Ukrainian trolls, I always present proof with valid sources. But in this case, I've noted earlier your claim that Russia lost more than a million troops in Ukraine. So, colonel Bozo, please provide a valid source for that claim or admit that you're a lying troll and you made it up. I will immediately provide my sources then.  8)

And a question to you: why would you think AFU generals mentioned that they need to recruit 500k Ukrainians ASAP. Just think about it. Also, Ukraine mentioned earlier that Russia suffered huge losses because it attacked. They claimed that the attacking army losses were at a 1:5 ratio to the defending one. Now think about the failed counter-offensive. If we apply the same logic, Ukraine was suffering 5:1 losses while attacking heavily fortified Russian positions? Right?

Quote from: Argoo
Are the Ukrainian Armed Forces fleeing near Avdeevka? Yes, recently three assault groups of the Ukrainian Armed Forces again ran into Avdeevka itself and captured several Russians.
https://m.gazeta.ua/ru/articles/life/_v-avdeevku-voshli-ukrainskie-vojska-i-zahvatili-plennyh/1173648

Well this is a blatant lie, made up to prevent panic and chaos among Ukrainians.

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Ukrainian military spokesperson Dmytro Lykhoviy said troops had pulled back from Sieverne and Stepove, a day after Kyiv announced it had abandoned the village of Lastochkyne.

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One Ukrainian commander, Oleksandr Tarnavskyi, said on Telegram: "In the Avdiivka sector, the line of defence in the areas of Tonenke, Orlivka and Berdychi has been stabilised."
Source: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-withdraws-two-villages-near-avdiivka-military-says-2024-02-27/

If you take a look at the map, you'll realize that these small towns are some 6-10km away from Avdiivka, which means that there can't be any counter-offensive in Avdiivka. Always check your facts before you publish your lies.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on March 05, 2024, 08:26:29 AM

And a question to you: why would you think AFU generals mentioned that they need to recruit 500k Ukrainians ASAP. Just think about it. Also, Ukraine mentioned earlier that Russia suffered huge losses because it attacked. They claimed that the attacking army losses were at a 1:5 ratio to the defending one. Now think about the failed counter-offensive. If we apply the same logic, Ukraine was suffering 5:1 losses while attacking heavily fortified Russian positions? Right?

Quote from: Argoo
Are the Ukrainian Armed Forces fleeing near Avdeevka? Yes, recently three assault groups of the Ukrainian Armed Forces again ran into Avdeevka itself and captured several Russians.
https://m.gazeta.ua/ru/articles/life/_v-avdeevku-voshli-ukrainskie-vojska-i-zahvatili-plennyh/1173648

Well this is a blatant lie, made up to prevent panic and chaos among Ukrainians.

There is a big difference in the tactics and strategy of these actions between the offensive of the Russian invaders and the counter-offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and this explains the difference in the number of losses. The Russian offensive on a specific sector of the front is often dictated by political necessity and is carried out despite any losses in soldiers and military equipment. This happened in the battle for Bakhmut, and later for Avdeevka. If the equipment could not be used due to bad weather conditions, then soldiers were periodically sent into attacks without the necessary preparation and cover in order to capture a populated area by a certain date. Therefore, the losses were colossal. Due to such large losses, new units were transferred that did not know the terrain and fortifications of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and often columns of equipment with troops walked through minefields. Despite the losses, they moved forward to carry out meaningless orders. Unlike the Armed Forces of Ukraine, where junior commanders had the right to quickly make decisions in a changed situation, the Russian troops still have the old Soviet military doctrine, according to which execution of orders is above all, even if the order is stupid in the current situation.

When the counter-offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces began last summer, armored vehicles were used, which began to be destroyed in minefields, and the infantry also suffered. Almost immediately, the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine changed its tactics: frontal assaults stopped and predominantly targeted knocking out of armored vehicles, artillery, ammunition depots, command posts and accumulations of manpower and equipment began, while simultaneously clearing minefields in the dark and maneuvering small assault groups. This did not give a quick effect in liberating the territories, but it allowed to inflict heavy losses on the Russian army and saved the lives of many soldiers. At the same time, even Western analysts reported that during the counter-offensive the Ukrainian Armed Forces lost even fewer of their soldiers than the defending Russians.

As for Avdeevka, individual assault groups entered it and will enter it more than once and leave this territory after completing certain tasks.
Thus, today fresh information has appeared that in the area of the Avdeevsky coke and chemical plant, soldiers of the 3rd Special Brigade stole a Russian T-72 tank under the noses of the Russians and, under fire from a KA-52 helicopter, successfully evacuated it to the location of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

https://focus.ua/amp/voennye-novosti/631069-bylo-nemnozhko-strashno-bojcy-3-j-brigady-ukrali-u-rossiyan-tank-pod-avdeevkoj-video


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Ozero on March 05, 2024, 10:53:19 AM
On the night of March 5, in the territorial waters of Ukraine, not far from the Kerch Strait, the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense destroyed the Russian patrol ship Sergei Kotov. After supposedly five hits by Ukrainian-made Magura V5 naval drones on the stern, starboard and port sides, the Sergei Kotov sank.

  The 94.1-meter-long patrol ship Sergei Kotov, with a displacement of 1,800 tons and a crew of 80 people, was the newest Russian ship costing more than $65 million. Ships of this type began combat duty in 2017. "Sergey Kotov" was the third serial and fourth patrol ship of Project 22160. It was launched at the Zaliv shipyard in January 2021 and commissioned into the Black Sea Fleet in July 2022.
The Russians reported that they launched four ships of Project 22160. In addition to the Sergei Kotov, these are the Vasily Bykov, Pavel Derzhavin and Dmitry Rogachev. Three out of four have already received damage from the Ukrainian Defense Forces, except for Dmitry Rogachev.

A report from the propaganda TV channel Zvezda said that the ship was equipped with the most modern radio and hydroacoustic weapons, and also had a helipad for carrier-based aircraft.

Weapons on the ship "Sergey Kotov": 76-mm artillery mount AK-176MA, multi-channel anti-aircraft missile system "Shtil-1", short-range anti-aircraft missile system 3M-47 "Gibka", two small-sized remote-controlled anti-sabotage grenade launcher systems DP-65 , it was possible that the Ka-27PS helicopter could be based.

https://kp.ua/amp/a686413-serhej-kotov-za-65-mln-zakhvatyvavshij-zmeinyj-chto-izvestno-o-potoplennom-korable-rf

Every month and even more often, the Black Sea is cleared of pirate ships of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, as a result of which international commercial shipping in the Black Sea has almost completely resumed.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: serveria.com on March 06, 2024, 04:00:31 PM

And a question to you: why would you think AFU generals mentioned that they need to recruit 500k Ukrainians ASAP. Just think about it. Also, Ukraine mentioned earlier that Russia suffered huge losses because it attacked. They claimed that the attacking army losses were at a 1:5 ratio to the defending one. Now think about the failed counter-offensive. If we apply the same logic, Ukraine was suffering 5:1 losses while attacking heavily fortified Russian positions? Right?

Quote from: Argoo
Are the Ukrainian Armed Forces fleeing near Avdeevka? Yes, recently three assault groups of the Ukrainian Armed Forces again ran into Avdeevka itself and captured several Russians.
https://m.gazeta.ua/ru/articles/life/_v-avdeevku-voshli-ukrainskie-vojska-i-zahvatili-plennyh/1173648

Well this is a blatant lie, made up to prevent panic and chaos among Ukrainians.

There is a big difference in the tactics and strategy of these actions between the offensive of the Russian invaders and the counter-offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and this explains the difference in the number of losses. The Russian offensive on a specific sector of the front is often dictated by political necessity and is carried out despite any losses in soldiers and military equipment. This happened in the battle for Bakhmut, and later for Avdeevka. If the equipment could not be used due to bad weather conditions, then soldiers were periodically sent into attacks without the necessary preparation and cover in order to capture a populated area by a certain date. Therefore, the losses were colossal. Due to such large losses, new units were transferred that did not know the terrain and fortifications of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and often columns of equipment with troops walked through minefields. Despite the losses, they moved forward to carry out meaningless orders. Unlike the Armed Forces of Ukraine, where junior commanders had the right to quickly make decisions in a changed situation, the Russian troops still have the old Soviet military doctrine, according to which execution of orders is above all, even if the order is stupid in the current situation.

When the counter-offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces began last summer, armored vehicles were used, which began to be destroyed in minefields, and the infantry also suffered. Almost immediately, the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine changed its tactics: frontal assaults stopped and predominantly targeted knocking out of armored vehicles, artillery, ammunition depots, command posts and accumulations of manpower and equipment began, while simultaneously clearing minefields in the dark and maneuvering small assault groups. This did not give a quick effect in liberating the territories, but it allowed to inflict heavy losses on the Russian army and saved the lives of many soldiers. At the same time, even Western analysts reported that during the counter-offensive the Ukrainian Armed Forces lost even fewer of their soldiers than the defending Russians.

As for Avdeevka, individual assault groups entered it and will enter it more than once and leave this territory after completing certain tasks.
Thus, today fresh information has appeared that in the area of the Avdeevsky coke and chemical plant, soldiers of the 3rd Special Brigade stole a Russian T-72 tank under the noses of the Russians and, under fire from a KA-52 helicopter, successfully evacuated it to the location of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

https://focus.ua/amp/voennye-novosti/631069-bylo-nemnozhko-strashno-bojcy-3-j-brigady-ukrali-u-rossiyan-tank-pod-avdeevkoj-video


Everything is exactly as you say, but just the opposite... in fact AFU casualties in February are absolutely highest since the beginning of the war. AFU lost  record 28270 troops in February, including 2300 IN ONE DAY! while escaping from Avdiivka. Fun fact: AFU troops started leaving their positions in Avdiivka and running away before the official order from the AFU command was received! Then AFU command was forced to issue the order to withdraw, trying to keep things under control and prevent uncontrolled collapse of the frontline! I could imagine similar colossal losses were inflicted to AFU by the Russians while driving them away from Stepove, Severne, Lastochkyne, Pobeda and other small towns which were lost by Ukraine last week.

But yeah, another stupid patrol boat was hit, you could jerk each other off to that!  ;D 


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on March 07, 2024, 07:07:52 AM


Everything is exactly as you say, but just the opposite... in fact AFU casualties in February are absolutely highest since the beginning of the war. AFU lost  record 28270 troops in February, including 2300 IN ONE DAY! while escaping from Avdiivka. Fun fact: AFU troops started leaving their positions in Avdiivka and running away before the official order from the AFU command was received! Then AFU command was forced to issue the order to withdraw, trying to keep things under control and prevent uncontrolled collapse of the frontline! I could imagine similar colossal losses were inflicted to AFU by the Russians while driving them away from Stepove, Severne, Lastochkyne, Pobeda and other small towns which were lost by Ukraine last week.

But yeah, another stupid patrol boat was hit, you could jerk each other off to that!  ;D 
Near Avdeevka, Russia lost from 16,000 of its soldiers, according to information from Russian sources, to 47,000 according to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. These losses are for 30 square kilometers of the ruins of a small town, in which several hundred residents of the 30,000 who lived before the “liberation” by the Russians remained. Moreover, Avdeevka was stormed mainly by the remnants of the elite of the Russian army - the Airborne Forces, Marines, Special Forces and others.

Since February 17, when the Ukrainian Armed Forces withdrew from Avdiivka due to the fact that the invaders destroyed the fortifications of the defenders with guided aerial bombs, over the next three weeks the Russians advanced up to five kilometers west of Avdeevka and captured several villages located there. But all the power of the “second army of the world” was thrown into this area, since for Putin’s upcoming next elections in Russia he needed to show big victories at the front. There, from the Russian side, everything that could shoot was continuously shooting. At that time, the Armed Forces of Ukraine had a “shell” famine due to problems with the supply of ammunition. Therefore, the Ukrainian Armed Forces responded to ten Russian shells with approximately only one shell. And with such a ratio and with a several-fold superiority in the number of infantry and equipment, the “second army of the world” achieved very modest successes. Now information is coming from the front that the Ukrainian Armed Forces have shells and there is a real hell near Avdeevka. In about another month, the occupiers will be exhausted with their big offensive since October last year. After this, the move will be for the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

As for the destruction of “another stupid boat,” the Ukrainian Armed Forces are destroying all Russian warships that are used in the war against Ukraine. But in Russia, apparently, only stupid warships remain among the newest ones, since the sunken corvette Sergei Kotov became part of the Black Sea Fleet only in July 2022, that is, already during this war. Let me remind you that the Ukrainian Armed Forces were the first to sink the flagship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, the cruiser Moskva.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: serveria.com on March 07, 2024, 05:54:06 PM
Near Avdeevka, Russia lost from 16,000 of its soldiers, according to information from Russian sources,
Source?

In about another month, the occupiers will be exhausted with their big offensive since October last year. After this, the move will be for the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
Next move? Wake up, there are no AFU left! You don't even have enough troops to control the territory you already control! Your own command announced there will be some hard decisions on which city to defend and which to leave to the Russians.

As for the destruction of “another stupid boat,” the Ukrainian Armed Forces are destroying all Russian warships that are used in the war against Ukraine. But in Russia, apparently, only stupid warships remain among the newest ones, since the sunken corvette Sergei Kotov became part of the Black Sea Fleet only in July 2022, that is, already during this war. Let me remind you that the Ukrainian Armed Forces were the first to sink the flagship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, the cruiser Moskva.
I don't get your useless boat mania but ok, I will play your game and make you look retarded again.

1. This ship was a patrol boat. From Wikipedia:

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Ships of this design are designed to perform patrol duty, suppress smuggling and pirate activities, and search for and provide assistance to victims of maritime disasters. In wartime, also for the protection of ships and vessels during sea passage, as well as naval bases and water areas.

In other words, it could not attack Ukraine and do any harm. It was not built to attack anything or launch missiles.

2. This one was the 4th attack on this boat by sea drones. First time, on July 25th, 2023 two drones attacked it but were destroyed. Next, on August 1st 2023, three drones attempted attack but also were destroyed. Then, on September 14th 2023, the boat was attacked again, this time by 5 sea drones. Again, attack was neutralized, drones destroyed. Finally, on March 5th, 2024 10(ten!!!) sea drones attacked the boat and according to the Ukrainian Intelligence was hit and eventually sank. So, knowing that one "Ukrainian" (in fact British) Magura drone costs around $275k we can do the math: 20x275000 - $5.5m. Not exactly for free, right?

3. A facility in Odessa port where the sea drones were stored, manufactured and maintained was destroyed in an air strike yesterday.

4. All these useless sea drone missions were used to bolster morale of the AFU troops and civilians because it's the only pathetic way to at least partly compensate for lost territories, huge losses and abandoned towns.

I guess, with this we can close this sea drone topic once and for all.  ;D


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on March 08, 2024, 11:59:59 AM
Near Avdeevka, Russia lost from 16,000 of its soldiers, according to information from Russian sources,
Source?

In about another month, the occupiers will be exhausted with their big offensive since October last year. After this, the move will be for the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
Next move? Wake up, there are no AFU left! You don't even have enough troops to control the territory you already control! Your own command announced there will be some hard decisions on which city to defend and which to leave to the Russians.

As for the destruction of “another stupid boat,” the Ukrainian Armed Forces are destroying all Russian warships that are used in the war against Ukraine. But in Russia, apparently, only stupid warships remain among the newest ones, since the sunken corvette Sergei Kotov became part of the Black Sea Fleet only in July 2022, that is, already during this war. Let me remind you that the Ukrainian Armed Forces were the first to sink the flagship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, the cruiser Moskva.
I don't get your useless boat mania but ok, I will play your game and make you look retarded again.

1. This ship was a patrol boat. From Wikipedia:

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Ships of this design are designed to perform patrol duty, suppress smuggling and pirate activities, and search for and provide assistance to victims of maritime disasters. In wartime, also for the protection of ships and vessels during sea passage, as well as naval bases and water areas.

In other words, it could not attack Ukraine and do any harm. It was not built to attack anything or launch missiles.

I am reporting the source of the Russian losses I mentioned near Avdeevka. This is a Russian propagandist and Ukrainophobe Andrei Morozov with the call sign Murz, who fought in the Donbass against Ukraine since 2014, called for genocide and mass murder of Ukrainians. After he mentioned the number of Russian losses near Avdeevka as 16,000 people, he wrote that he was forced to delete a message about this, after which he shot himself.
https://24tv.ua/ru/andrej-morozov-murz-zastrelilsja-pered-jetim-on-rasskazal-o-poterjah-rossijan-v-avdeevke-24-kanal_n2499063

Does the Ukrainian Armed Forces have no soldiers left? Then the Russian occupiers should rejoice and quickly capture Kyiv, as well as the rest of Ukraine. If not in a few days, then at least by the end of the month, we expect a joyful message from you that the Ukrainian Armed Forces have been completely destroyed and demilitarized, and the population of Ukraine joyfully greets their liberators from Bandera.
But from open sources you can find information that out of the million-strong army of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, only 300,000 have so far been at the front, and the mobilization reserve is several million more.

Are you outraged that I called the destroyed ship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet a corvette, and not a patrol boat? I would like to bring to your attention that patrol ships are divided into two types: corvettes /short range/ and frigates /long range/.
This is directly written about in the same Wikipedia:
“Corvette is a class of surface combat ships designed for patrol and convoy service, anti-submarine and air defense of naval bases (naval bases). The main tasks of modern corvettes are anti-submarine defense of a ship formation (convoy) or a coastal facility (naval base, port, etc.) P.)...
In the USSR Navy, the class of corvettes was not distinguished: from the standpoint of the Soviet classification, corvettes correspond to a subclass of anti-submarine ships - patrol ships (near zone, as opposed to a frigate - a far zone patrol ship)."
https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%82

Corvette "Sergey Kotov" could not attack Ukraine and cause any harm? What was a warship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet doing in the territorial waters of Ukraine then? One of his tasks was to guard the so-called Crimean Bridge, illegally built by Russia to the Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea. At the time of destruction, "Sergey Kotov" was located off the southern coast of the Crimean Peninsula and 25 kilometers from the Crimean Bridge. The Ukrainian Armed Forces are soon going to destroy the Crimean Bridge, along which the Russians have been supplying the southern front in Ukraine with manpower and equipment for three years now, so systematic preparations and destruction of possible obstacles to this are underway.
If the Russian warship is not intended to harm anyone, nominate its creators for a peace prize.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Ozero on March 08, 2024, 06:15:55 PM

In about another month, the occupiers will be exhausted with their big offensive since October last year. After this, the move will be for the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
Next move? Wake up, there are no AFU left! You don't even have enough troops to control the territory you already control! Your own command announced there will be some hard decisions on which city to defend and which to leave to the Russians.


The Russian army continued to advance after the 110th mechanized brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces withdrew from the ruins of Avdeevka due to a lack of ammunition. The Russians captured three to five kilometers of new territory beyond Avdeevka, their largest advance in a year.

But the prospect that Russian troops will break through the defensive lines of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, penetrate into the unprotected rear and reach large cities is no longer visible. After the 47th brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, together with other units, fought back and even counterattacked in some areas.

But in order to prevent the aggressor from going further, the 47th Brigade spent 10% of its armored vehicles, including M1 Abrams tanks, M2 Bradley infantry fighting vehicles and Assault Breacher engineering vehicles.

But, having gained a foothold in the village of Berdychi, several kilometers northwest of Avdievka, it inflicted many more losses than it suffered. The roads towards Berdychi are littered with the remains of Russian tanks, tracked combat vehicles and, especially, BTR-80 wheeled armored personnel carriers. Not to mention potentially hundreds of Russian infantry killed.

During two tense weeks after the fall of Avdeevka, the Russians marched from north to south, capturing Stepovoye, Lastochkino and Severnoye. But only because the retreating Ukrainian Armed Forces fighters decided not to defend these settlements and headed to the west: to Berdychi, Orlovka and Tonenky. Near these settlements there are natural fortifications in the form of lakes and canals; it is more difficult for the attacking side here.

In the Avdeevsky direction, the 47th separate mechanized brigade successfully defends Berdychi, repelling attacks from the enemy’s 15th and 30th separate motorized rifle brigades. The 3rd separate assault brigade repelled the enemy landing attack in the Orlovka area, where the 25th Airborne Brigade took up a defensive position. If the Russians can boast of anything as the Avdeevka campaign comes to an end, it is that they managed to penetrate and dig in in the south-eastern corner of Tonenkoye.

Five months after the start of the offensive, the Battle of Avdeevka ends. Analysts call such a victory a pyrrhic one, due to significant losses, at least 16 thousand killed and almost 800 armored vehicles.

Ukraine lost some armored vehicles, possibly Abrams, Bradleys and Assault Breachers assault vehicles in the street battles in Berdychi. But they could be among the last casualties of the current campaign. It is entirely possible to replace 10% of a brigade's tanks, five percent of its combat vehicles, and perhaps a third of its engineering vehicles. The reason this cannot be done quickly is the same reason why the Ukrainian Armed Forces do not receive American ammunition. Pro-Russian Republicans in Congress have continued to block further military support for Ukraine since October.
But the situation with the supply of ammunition to the Ukrainian Armed Forces is already improving, and the occupiers at the front probably sensed this.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: DrBeer on March 16, 2024, 02:05:13 PM
Yes, the situation is complicated, it’s stupid to deny it. I hope that Ukraine’s other partners will help us withstand a new wave of “meat assaults” from Russia. Yes, there is a loss of equipment - this is war. But passing off the destruction of 2 Petriot air defense systems and 2 Abram tanks as a “super success of the 2nd Army of the World” looks sad, against the backdrop of more than 5,000 tanks and a dozen S400 complexes (or rather batteries) lost by the Russian Armed Forces!

But at this time I would like to note:
- The main method of “liberation” of Avdeevka by Russian terrorist troops was the use of heavy gliding bombs. Yes, it is virtually impossible to resist them. But the Ukrainian Armed Forces have found solutions - if we cannot resist these bombs, we will destroy... the aircraft that carry them. In February-March, more than 20 terrorist bombers were destroyed.
- At the same time, successful actions on the territory of Russia are carried out by the Russian liberation troops as part of the Legion "Freedom of Russia", "Siberian Battalion", "RDK", as well as the detachment of the People's Liberation Army of the Republic of Ichkeria that joined them. As a result of their successful offensive, some part of the Belgorod People's Republic has already been liberated, the forces of the border troops of the FSB of Russia, and the warehouses of the RF Armed Forces have been destroyed.
- Over the past 2 weeks, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, together with the Main Intelligence Directorate and the SBU, have carried out several very successful operations to destroy the oil industry of the aggressor country. Refinery refineries and oil depots, which generated approximately 15% of all fuel in Russia, have been disabled. And this is the beginning. Russia’s vaunted “unparalleled air defense,” as expected, turned out to be fake and could not withstand ordinary drones.
There are still many interesting events ahead on the territory of the aggressor country :)


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: serveria.com on March 16, 2024, 11:48:42 PM
Yes, the situation is complicated, it’s stupid to deny it. I hope that Ukraine’s other partners will help us withstand a new wave of “meat assaults” from Russia. Yes, there is a loss of equipment - this is war. But passing off the destruction of 2 Petriot air defense systems and 2 Abram tanks as a “super success of the 2nd Army of the World” looks sad, against the backdrop of more than 5,000 tanks and a dozen S400 complexes (or rather batteries) lost by the Russian Armed Forces!

But at this time I would like to note:
- The main method of “liberation” of Avdeevka by Russian terrorist troops was the use of heavy gliding bombs. Yes, it is virtually impossible to resist them. But the Ukrainian Armed Forces have found solutions - if we cannot resist these bombs, we will destroy... the aircraft that carry them. In February-March, more than 20 terrorist bombers were destroyed.
- At the same time, successful actions on the territory of Russia are carried out by the Russian liberation troops as part of the Legion "Freedom of Russia", "Siberian Battalion", "RDK", as well as the detachment of the People's Liberation Army of the Republic of Ichkeria that joined them. As a result of their successful offensive, some part of the Belgorod People's Republic has already been liberated, the forces of the border troops of the FSB of Russia, and the warehouses of the RF Armed Forces have been destroyed.
- Over the past 2 weeks, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, together with the Main Intelligence Directorate and the SBU, have carried out several very successful operations to destroy the oil industry of the aggressor country. Refinery refineries and oil depots, which generated approximately 15% of all fuel in Russia, have been disabled. And this is the beginning. Russia’s vaunted “unparalleled air defense,” as expected, turned out to be fake and could not withstand ordinary drones.
There are still many interesting events ahead on the territory of the aggressor country :)

You are delusional. Ukraine is like a living corpse, a zombie controlled by the US, forced to fight till the last breath. Ukraine is facing a really hard choice atm: draft 500000 civilians and completely ruin it's economy or continue losing territories and troops. In any case, they are going to lose eventually.

Btw, here's a nice article I found for you. Perhaps it will help you to wake up:

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MAKIV, Ukraine — Few men of fighting age are left in this village in southwest Ukraine, and those who remain fear they will be drafted at any moment.

Their neighbors are already hundreds of miles east in trenches on the front lines. Some have been killed or wounded. Several are missing. Others from this rural area — about 45 miles from the borders of Romania and Moldova — have fled abroad or found ways to avoid the war, either with legitimate exemptions or by hiding.

“It’s just a fact,” said Larysa Bodna, deputy director of the local school, which keeps a database of students whose parents are deployed. “Most of them are gone.”

Ukraine desperately needs more troops, with its forces depleted by deaths, injuries and exhaustion. Despite Russia’s own enormous casualties, the invaders still far outnumber Ukraine’s defenders, an advantage that is helping Moscow advance on the battlefield. Ukraine’s parliament is debating a bill to expand the draft pool, in part by lowering the eligibility age to 25 from 27, but few decisions are being made in Kyiv that will quickly answer the army’s urgent needs.

Civilians here say that means military recruiters are grabbing everyone they can. In the west, the mobilization drive has steadily sown panic and resentment in small agricultural towns and villages like Makiv, where residents said soldiers working for draft offices roam the near-empty streets searching for any remaining men.

Locals use Telegram channels to warn of soldier sightings and share videos of troops forcing men into their vehicles — stoking rumors of kidnappings. Some men are now serving time in jail for refusing to sign up.

“People are being caught like dogs on the street,” said Olha Kametyuk, 35, whose husband, Valentin, 36, was drafted in June by soldiers who approached him and asked for his papers after he stopped for coffee on the main road outside Makiv. Despite a diagnosis of osteochondrosis, a joint disorder, he passed his medical exam in 10 minutes, she said, and deployed to the front, where he was wounded.

“The whole village was taken this way,” said Valentin’s mother, Natalya Koshparenko, 61.

Natalya Koshparenko, 61, outside her home in Makiv. Her son, Valentin, was drafted after stopping to buy a coffee last summer.

“Almost all our men have been scraped out,” said Serhii, 47, an infantry soldier from Makiv who was drafted in March 2022 and serves in Ukraine’s 115th brigade.

Home for a short break this month for the first time in a year, Serhii said he had already been stopped and questioned. So had his son, who is only 22 and not yet eligible to be drafted. The Washington Post is identifying Serhii only by his first name because of the risk of repercussions.

When the soldiers realized he was already serving, he said, they asked how he felt about men “‘who haven’t seen a single day of war” — which he said he regarded as a forced, hollow show of camaraderie. Serhii said he replied by saying it was them, not his fellow villagers, he resented most.

“You’re military and I’m a civilian, but I’m fighting and you’re not,” he said. The conversation, he noted, “ended immediately.”

Oleksii, 30, was fixing his car last year when soldiers approached and handed him a draft order. It was Valentine’s Day and the news broke his girlfriend, Elvira, who works in a small shop in Makiv and barely ate for weeks afterward. Oleksii accepted his fate, but his experience has served as a warning to others about the realities on the front.

After three concussions and shrapnel wounds, Oleksii recently returned home. Scrolling through his phone, he showed a photo of him with more than a dozen fellow troops. Only two are still alive, he said.

This month, villagers in Makiv buried another of their own — Ihor Dozorets, a contract soldier who was wounded so badly that his son, also a soldier, identified him only by a scar on his hand. “He wanted to come home,” Ihor’s sister, Inna Melnyk, 43, said through tears. “He was tired of it all. But what can we do?”

Vasyl Hrebeniuk, 70, said that even at his age — 10 years over the draft limit — soldiers have regularly stopped and questioned him in Makiv.

Six weeks ago, he watched soldiers bang on a neighbor’s door, complaining that the man who lived there had asked to go say goodbye to his wife and mother, then disappeared. One soldier said they “should have taken him immediately, put him in the bus and driven away,” Hrebeniuk recalled.

Scenarios like these have left Polina, 16, anxious about how much longer she has with her father — one of the few draft-eligible men left in the village.

Last summer, Polina and her friend Olha were relaxing at a table outside the village store when Olha’s dad called and asked her to buy something for him there. She brushed off his request, saying she was busy with friends. He walked to the store himself instead, and the teens watched in horror as soldiers surrounded him and handed him a summons on the way in.

Maya Proskurivska, 63, is hiding the truth about her son-in-law, Oleksandr, 41, from his children, who are 8 and 14. Sent to fight in the Donetsk region, he has been missing since December, she said, but the children think he is confirmed as a prisoner of war. These days, she said, “on our street, it’s hard to find a young man.

“There are people hiding, sitting at home, not even willing to go to the store,” she said. “I saw a car today where the woman was driving and the husband was hiding behind tinted windows in the back.”

The young men cleaning her yard acknowledged that they fear the draft. But Artem said he also resents men from eastern Ukraine who came west for refuge instead of staying to fight. “They came here to hide, and our guys have to die there,” he said. Artem’s father, who was drafted, is now fighting near the eastern city of Lyman.

Down the road from Makiv, in the small city of Kamyanets-Podilsky, a growing gallery honoring the dead fills a main square. Each photo shows the face of a local man or woman killed fighting for Ukraine.


Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/03/15/ukraine-village-mobilized-men-war/


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Ozero on March 21, 2024, 02:36:35 PM

MAKIV, Ukraine — Few men of fighting age are left in this village in southwest Ukraine, and those who remain fear they will be drafted at any moment.

Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/03/15/ukraine-village-mobilized-men-war/
Do not forget that this is the third year of a rather bloody and brutal war. Ukraine was attacked by enemy forces that were many times superior in everything, and above all in human resources. I can neither confirm nor deny the facts presented in the article that are happening in this village of Makiv in southwestern Ukraine. Events may be distorted, but somewhere there may well be excesses with mobilization. Approximately the same state of affairs is occurring in the occupied territory of Donbass and Luhansk region. They have been writing there for a long time that there is practically no male population left. The Russians have already forcibly mobilized absolutely everyone they can and the populated areas are practically empty. But not all is well with human resources in Russia itself. During the war, the irretrievable losses of Russians range from 350 thousand people according to the United States to 433 thousand according to the Armed Forces of Ukraine and about 505 thousand according to the data reported by the Russian Ministry of Defense to the Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Patrushev.

But the Russian occupiers, immediately after the elections in the Russian Federation, plan to mobilize another 300 thousand people in the temporarily occupied territories of Ukraine. Criminal order No. 124 of 03/06/2024 “On additional conscription of citizens for military service by mobilization” on illegal conscription into the ranks of the Russian Federation has already been issued and comes into force on March 25. They will continue to be thrown as “live meat” in front of the Russian troops and thus clear the occupied areas of the Russian-speaking population, which they came, as it were, to defend from the mythical “Banderaites.”

https://informator.ua/ru/rossiya-gotovit-novuyu-volnu-prinuditelnoy-mobilizacii-na-tot-na-front-brosyat-eshche-300-tysyach-chelovek


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: serveria.com on March 21, 2024, 04:30:40 PM
Do not forget that this is the third year of a rather bloody and brutal war. Ukraine was attacked by enemy forces that were many times superior in everything, and above all in human resources.
Thanks for admitting it. In fact, most Ukrainian trolls claim Russia is fighting using sticks and stones.  ;D

I can neither confirm nor deny the facts presented in the article that are happening in this village of Makiv in southwestern Ukraine. Events may be distorted, but somewhere there may well be excesses with mobilization.
Western media have no reason to distort facts in Russia's favour. 

Approximately the same state of affairs is occurring in the occupied territory of Donbass and Luhansk region. They have been writing there for a long time that there is practically no male population left. The Russians have already forcibly mobilized absolutely everyone they can and the populated areas are practically empty.
I'm not sure, I haven't heard of such a fact, frankly. But if you check out some videos on Youtube, something like "life in Mariupol" or "Crimea today" you can see quite a lot of men in the streets there.

But not all is well with human resources in Russia itself. During the war, the irretrievable losses of Russians range from 350 thousand people according to the United States to 433 thousand according to the Armed Forces of Ukraine
Ok, let me tell you something: do you know how Ukraine is counting Russian casualties? I'll give an example: imagine there's an APC driving somewhere in the vicinity of the frontline, it gets hit by a drone, for example. Now the most interesting part: this APC can carry (for example) 12 troops plus the driver. So, AFU automatically add 13 KIA and marks APC destroyed. In reality this APC may have been empty (except for the driver obviously) who got wounded. APC itself may have been towed to the Russia-controlled territory and fixed. That's why there were lots of tanks which were "destroyed" 3-4 times by the AFU. You see the difference, right?   ;D

and about 505 thousand according to the data reported by the Russian Ministry of Defense to the Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Patrushev.
Source? I presume Ukrainian media, right?  ;D

https://informator.ua/ru/rossiya-gotovit-novuyu-volnu-prinuditelnoy-mobilizacii-na-tot-na-front-brosyat-eshche-300-tysyach-chelovek
Please don't use Ukrainian media as a source. It's 100% pure propaganda!

 


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Ozero on March 29, 2024, 07:53:03 PM

I can neither confirm nor deny the facts presented in the article that are happening in this village of Makiv in southwestern Ukraine. Events may be distorted, but somewhere there may well be excesses with mobilization.
Western media have no reason to distort facts in Russia's favour. 

Approximately the same state of affairs is occurring in the occupied territory of Donbass and Luhansk region. They have been writing there for a long time that there is practically no male population left. The Russians have already forcibly mobilized absolutely everyone they can and the populated areas are practically empty.
I'm not sure, I haven't heard of such a fact, frankly. But if you check out some videos on Youtube, something like "life in Mariupol" or "Crimea today" you can see quite a lot of men in the streets there.

But not all is well with human resources in Russia itself. During the war, the irretrievable losses of Russians range from 350 thousand people according to the United States to 433 thousand according to the Armed Forces of Ukraine
Ok, let me tell you something: do you know how Ukraine is counting Russian casualties? I'll give an example: imagine there's an APC driving somewhere in the vicinity of the frontline, it gets hit by a drone, for example. Now the most interesting part: this APC can carry (for example) 12 troops plus the driver. So, AFU automatically add 13 KIA and marks APC destroyed. In reality this APC may have been empty (except for the driver obviously) who got wounded. APC itself may have been towed to the Russia-controlled territory and fixed. That's why there were lots of tanks which were "destroyed" 3-4 times by the AFU. You see the difference, right?   ;D

and about 505 thousand according to the data reported by the Russian Ministry of Defense to the Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Patrushev.
Source? I presume Ukrainian media, right?  ;D

https://informator.ua/ru/rossiya-gotovit-novuyu-volnu-prinuditelnoy-mobilizacii-na-tot-na-front-brosyat-eshche-300-tysyach-chelovek
Please don't use Ukrainian media as a source. It's 100% pure propaganda!

In my opinion, it is no longer a secret that many Western politicians and media have been bought by Russia. Therefore, what some politicians say there and the media write may also not correspond to reality.
I have used and will continue to use the official information of my country, Ukraine. It is in Russia that all news information is completely distorted. There you can’t even say the word “war” out loud, which has been going on for three years now between Ukraine and Russia. For this you can go to prison for a long time. Having attacked Ukraine for the tenth year, everyone there is trying to convince their citizens that it was Ukraine that attacked Russia, and Russia, it turns out, is only defending itself.

Regarding how the Ukrainian Armed Forces calculate the losses of the Russian occupiers, I would like to know the source of your words on this matter.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on April 09, 2024, 02:43:31 PM
Following Russia's attack on Ukraine, the Russian Black Sea Fleet attempted to impede Ukrainian exports by sea, effectively blockading Ukraine's Black Sea ports. From July 2022 to July 2023, the “grain deal” was in force - an agreement concluded through the mediation of the UN and Turkey on Russian security guarantees for the export of Ukrainian agricultural products. However, then the Russian Federation withdrew from this deal.

After this, Kyiv was able to create a new relatively safe sea corridor in the western part of the Black Sea. To do this, the Ukrainian armed forces liberated Zmeiny Island and sank several Russian warships with their missiles and surface drones, including the cruiser Moskva, the flagship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet.

On February 6, Prime Minister of Ukraine Denis Shmygal said that over the past six months, his country has exported almost 20 million tons of cargo through the Black Sea, of which 70 percent were agricultural products of Ukrainian farmers. In just these six months, more than 660 cargo ships sailed to destinations in 32 countries. According to him, in January 2024 the monthly pre-war level of exports by sea was reached.
We can say that Russia’s plans to blockade Ukrainian agricultural products in the Black Sea failed miserably.

https://www.dw.com/ru/ukraina-otpravila-po-zernovomu-koridoru-30-mln-tonn-gruzov/a-68439716


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on April 23, 2024, 04:04:10 PM
The Russian Black Sea Fleet suffered further losses. On Sunday, April 21, in annexed Sevastopol, after a Ukrainian missile attack, the rescue ship “Kommuna” of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, which was moored at berth No. 14 on the northern shore of Sevastopol Bay, caught fire. It is quite possible that it was not the target of the Ukrainian missile, but the real target was the Yamal BDK, which was standing nearby, but due to its smooth trajectory, the missile caught on the high side of the Commune.

  This is the oldest ship in the Russian fleet, which managed to take part in two previous world wars. In 1913, the ship was launched and on July 15, 1915, it became part of the Russian Imperial Navy under the name Volkhov. The vessel's displacement is 3100 tons, length - 96 meters, width - 18.57 m, height - 8.40 m, draft - 3.65 m. In February 1918, the Volkhov was captured by German troops in Reval (now Tallinn), and later transferred to socialist Russia. Before and during World War II, the Commune recovered dozens of sunken submarines, ships and vessels in the Baltic Sea. The importance of this vessel was appreciated by Forbes, stating that without the Commune, the remaining submarines of the Black Sea Fleet will have to sail without support. A fire was recorded on it, but the extent of damage is still being determined.

Despite the systematic destruction, Russia continues to retain a large number of Black Sea Fleet ships in occupied Crimea. But these are secondary ships; the most valuable assets are located in Novorossiysk on Russian territory. Large landing ships, support vessels, minesweepers, and everything that the Russian Federation is ready to sacrifice in order to maintain its combat functionality remain in Crimea for repairs.


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: serveria.com on April 23, 2024, 06:12:55 PM
The Russian Black Sea Fleet suffered further losses. On Sunday, April 21, in annexed Sevastopol, after a Ukrainian missile attack, the rescue ship “Kommuna” of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, which was moored at berth No. 14 on the northern shore of Sevastopol Bay, caught fire. It is quite possible that it was not the target of the Ukrainian missile, but the real target was the Yamal BDK, which was standing nearby, but due to its smooth trajectory, the missile caught on the high side of the Commune.

  This is the oldest ship in the Russian fleet, which managed to take part in two previous world wars. In 1913, the ship was launched and on July 15, 1915, it became part of the Russian Imperial Navy under the name Volkhov. The vessel's displacement is 3100 tons, length - 96 meters, width - 18.57 m, height - 8.40 m, draft - 3.65 m. In February 1918, the Volkhov was captured by German troops in Reval (now Tallinn), and later transferred to socialist Russia. Before and during World War II, the Commune recovered dozens of sunken submarines, ships and vessels in the Baltic Sea. The importance of this vessel was appreciated by Forbes, stating that without the Commune, the remaining submarines of the Black Sea Fleet will have to sail without support. A fire was recorded on it, but the extent of damage is still being determined.

Despite the systematic destruction, Russia continues to retain a large number of Black Sea Fleet ships in occupied Crimea. But these are secondary ships; the most valuable assets are located in Novorossiysk on Russian territory. Large landing ships, support vessels, minesweepers, and everything that the Russian Federation is ready to sacrifice in order to maintain its combat functionality remain in Crimea for repairs.

Muahahaha.... this is shameful you realize that? A 1913 ship? 114 years old? I bet it costs less than the rocket which hit it...  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions
Post by: Argoo on April 24, 2024, 11:02:19 AM


Muahahaha.... this is shameful you realize that? A 1913 ship? 114 years old? I bet it costs less than the rocket which hit it...  ;D ;D ;D
If you haven’t understood yet, then I can explain that the Russian Black Sea Fleet has lost a unique rescue vessel, which is the “Commune”. Without this ship as a whole, the Russian submarine fleet has no right to go to sea, since there is no mechanism for rescuing the crew and the submarine if it crashes. Going out to sea, Russian sailors will understand that any problem on a submarine is practically death for them, since no one will get them. And this applies not only to submarines, but also to ships if they suffer the same fate as the cruiser Moskva.

The Russians modernized the vessel in 2016 to perform deep-sea work, including the recovery of submarines and sunken cargo, and had the most advanced equipment on board. Its indisputable value for Russia lies in the fact that it is the only rescue ship of its class in the Russian Black Sea Fleet. Therefore, it does not matter its cost in rubles or dollars. The important thing is that without it, the Russians will be even more afraid to go to sea, while Ukraine has improved its surface drones and created a small and formidable Kronos submarine, armed with six torpedoes and capable of sinking the remnants of the Russian Black Sea Fleet.

https://zn.ua/TECHNOLOGIES/na-vystavke-v-abu-dabi-ukrainskie-razrabotchiki-prezentovali-kompaktnuju-podlodku.html

https://24tv.ua/ru/kronos-harakteristiki-ukrainskoj-podvodnoj-lodki-24-kanal_n2536565