Food security in the world has been shaken by Russia's actions

[serveria.com]

If you think that any agreements with Russia are worthless and you can ignore the interests of Russia, which are also aimed at ensuring food security in the world - why are you surprised that Russia has suspended its participation in the grain deal? Take grain out of Ukraine without Russian security guarantees, if you can.

Russia has significantly increased grain exports in 2023 despite Western sanctions. The increase in grain exports fully compensates for the drop in grain exports from Ukraine as a result of the suspension of the grain deal.

We have already discussed the topic that Ukraine did not violate any terms of the grain deal with Russia, since Ukraine did not have any deals with Russia on this matter. Ukraine has concluded an agreement on the conditions for the export of its agricultural products from its ports in the Black Sea only with the UN and Turkey. But why is Russia now intensively bombing and firing rockets precisely at the ports of Ukraine and destroying the grain located there? The Putin regime is deliberately doing everything possible to keep Ukrainian grain out of the world market.

At the same time, will Russia distribute grain stolen in Ukraine to African countries for free? The Russian people (I emphasize - the people) are now trying to destroy the neighboring state of Ukraine and kill as many Ukrainians as possible. In my opinion, there is nothing to be proud of here.

We will see what the African countries will say about this. At the summit in St. Petersburg recently, they already made clear to Putin their attitude to what is happening.

You seem to just can't stop spreading lies. Ukraine did sign the agreement with Russia no matter you admit it or not. It can be called a tri-party or mirror agreement but it had been signed and there are certain obligations for all parties involved. If you don't understand this simple fact you have a room temperature IQ.

At number 48 in this thread, I indicated 14 links to various articles, which indicate that Ukraine signed a grain agreement only with the UN and Turkey and did not sign any agreements with Russia on this matter. Therefore, I will not repeat myself. If you have an opposite opinion, confirm what you said with the appropriate links.

I will confirm it with your own sources. Let's take strana.today and run a google translation on the article you provided:

Before that, Mikhail Podolyak, adviser to the head of the Office of the President of Ukraine, said that there would be no direct agreement between Russia and Ukraine to unblock grain exports. Ukraine has signed an agreement on grain with Turkey and the UN, and Russia will also sign a mirror document with them.

and the quote from Wikipedia:

On July 22, 2022, the signing ceremony took place at Dolmabahçe Palace in Istanbul, Turkey. The ceremony marks the first major deal between the warring sides since the beginning of the Russian invasion in February. However, it was not a direct agreement between Russia and Ukraine. Instead, Ukraine signed an agreement with Turkey and the UN, and Russia signed a separate "mirror" agreement with Turkey and the UN.

I hope you understand what "mirror" agreement means?   

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[Argoo]

If you think that any agreements with Russia are worthless and you can ignore the interests of Russia, which are also aimed at ensuring food security in the world - why are you surprised that Russia has suspended its participation in the grain deal? Take grain out of Ukraine without Russian security guarantees, if you can.

Russia has significantly increased grain exports in 2023 despite Western sanctions. The increase in grain exports fully compensates for the drop in grain exports from Ukraine as a result of the suspension of the grain deal.

We have already discussed the topic that Ukraine did not violate any terms of the grain deal with Russia, since Ukraine did not have any deals with Russia on this matter. Ukraine has concluded an agreement on the conditions for the export of its agricultural products from its ports in the Black Sea only with the UN and Turkey. But why is Russia now intensively bombing and firing rockets precisely at the ports of Ukraine and destroying the grain located there? The Putin regime is deliberately doing everything possible to keep Ukrainian grain out of the world market.

At the same time, will Russia distribute grain stolen in Ukraine to African countries for free? The Russian people (I emphasize - the people) are now trying to destroy the neighboring state of Ukraine and kill as many Ukrainians as possible. In my opinion, there is nothing to be proud of here.

We will see what the African countries will say about this. At the summit in St. Petersburg recently, they already made clear to Putin their attitude to what is happening.

You seem to just can't stop spreading lies. Ukraine did sign the agreement with Russia no matter you admit it or not. It can be called a tri-party or mirror agreement but it had been signed and there are certain obligations for all parties involved. If you don't understand this simple fact you have a room temperature IQ.

At number 48 in this thread, I indicated 14 links to various articles, which indicate that Ukraine signed a grain agreement only with the UN and Turkey and did not sign any agreements with Russia on this matter. Therefore, I will not repeat myself. If you have an opposite opinion, confirm what you said with the appropriate links.

I will confirm it with your own sources. Let's take strana.today and run a google translation on the article you provided:

Before that, Mikhail Podolyak, adviser to the head of the Office of the President of Ukraine, said that there would be no direct agreement between Russia and Ukraine to unblock grain exports. Ukraine has signed an agreement on grain with Turkey and the UN, and Russia will also sign a mirror document with them.

and the quote from Wikipedia:

On July 22, 2022, the signing ceremony took place at Dolmabahçe Palace in Istanbul, Turkey. The ceremony marks the first major deal between the warring sides since the beginning of the Russian invasion in February. However, it was not a direct agreement between Russia and Ukraine. Instead, Ukraine signed an agreement with Turkey and the UN, and Russia signed a separate "mirror" agreement with Turkey and the UN.

I hope you understand what "mirror" agreement means?   

Quite right. Ukraine signed a grain corridor agreement with the UN and Turkey, and Russia signed an agreement with the UN and Turkey, and therefore there were no agreements between Ukraine and Russia. To be convinced of this, it is enough to analyze the answer to the question: what conditions of the grain agreement did Ukraine violate in relation to Russia? After all, Russia claims that the signed agreements regarding Russia itself were not implemented, right?

[stompix]

PS You still didn't indicate which ARRANGEMENTS were violated, which is generally expected by 150%

Connecting Rosselkhozbank to SWIFT, unblocking foreign assets and accounts of Russian companies associated with the production and transportation of food and fertilizers, resuming supplies of agricultural machinery and spare parts, as well as restoring the operation of the Togliatti-Odessa ammonia pipeline..

But, but, but, I was told by eggxperts like you and pooya87 that

- The rest of the world doesn't need SWIFT as it's just garbage
- You already get paid in rubles so what would change as you obviously have accepted payments in rubles for gas
- Russia can produce everything for itself so it doesn't need Western machines, spare parts, planes, cars,

It might be possible that all were lies and you even need to import sarcasm cause I have like extra two tons around here ready to be shipped


Now unrelated to the above delusional case, there won't be any problem with food, well, at least not in Europe!
I've just landed home, opened a few hours ago the local forums , whatapp communities, to do a little research for my parents and...scheisse

6.9 tons/ha , HLM 81 (this is the maximum we get in our region), and the price on-site is 150-175 euros (harvested and dumped in the silo!)
We're looking at simply record crop, not sore about corn but wheat, sunflower, rapeseed and beets are through the roof, pretty sure next year we're going to have way lower production as every farmer thinks of moving to some other crops, wheat and corn and barley simply are not helping.

With meat let's see if the exports keep going, China is gobbling pork meat as crazy there is almost nobody in the whole region with the capacity to spare, the 5 million mt will be broken without a sweat, 57carcass is now 2.50E from 1.95 before covid broke in 2019, so around 25%.
But if they stop their imports it's going to go below 2 euros again!

For Africa? Well, that's a different story! One about picking the wrong side!

[be.open]

PS You still didn't indicate which ARRANGEMENTS were violated, which is generally expected by 150%

Connecting Rosselkhozbank to SWIFT, unblocking foreign assets and accounts of Russian companies associated with the production and transportation of food and fertilizers, resuming supplies of agricultural machinery and spare parts, as well as restoring the operation of the Togliatti-Odessa ammonia pipeline..

But, but, but, I was told by eggxperts like you and pooya87 that

- The rest of the world doesn't need SWIFT as it's just garbage
- You already get paid in rubles so what would change as you obviously have accepted payments in rubles for gas
- Russia can produce everything for itself so it doesn't need Western machines, spare parts, planes, cars,

It might be possible that all were lies and you even need to import sarcasm cause I have like extra two tons around here ready to be shipped


Now unrelated to the above delusional case, there won't be any problem with food, well, at least not in Europe!
I've just landed home, opened a few hours ago the local forums , whatapp communities, to do a little research for my parents and...scheisse

6.9 tons/ha , HLM 81 (this is the maximum we get in our region), and the price on-site is 150-175 euros (harvested and dumped in the silo!)
We're looking at simply record crop, not sore about corn but wheat, sunflower, rapeseed and beets are through the roof, pretty sure next year we're going to have way lower production as every farmer thinks of moving to some other crops, wheat and corn and barley simply are not helping.

With meat let's see if the exports keep going, China is gobbling pork meat as crazy there is almost nobody in the whole region with the capacity to spare, the 5 million mt will be broken without a sweat, 57carcass is now 2.50E from 1.95 before covid broke in 2019, so around 25%.
But if they stop their imports it's going to go below 2 euros again!

For Africa? Well, that's a different story! One about picking the wrong side!

Yes, everything is fine in Russia without SWIFT, and with spare parts for agricultural machinery - and this is clearly seen in the sharp increase in wheat exports from Russia this year. The very concept of a deal means that it is mutually beneficial for all the parties involved, while the grain deal lasted almost a year and Russia did not receive any benefits from it. Therefore, the deal was not extended. If the UN manages to really interest Russia in resuming the deal, it will resume. Russia listed specifically what it could be interested in. That's exactly how it works.

You can keep your sarcasm to yourself. Although you probably already have a stomach ulcer from this level of sarcasm, but I don’t need it.

[stompix]

Yes, everything is fine in Russia without SWIFT, and with spare parts for agricultural machinery - and this is clearly seen in the sharp increase in wheat exports from Russia this year. The very concept of a deal means that it is mutually beneficial for all the parties involved, while the grain deal lasted almost a year and Russia did not receive any benefits from it. Therefore, the deal was not extended. If the UN manages to really interest Russia in resuming the deal, it will resume. Russia listed specifically what it could be interested in. That's exactly how it works.

Can you please explain why, if sanctions are beneficial for Russia and bad for the EU, for god's sake, why would Russia ask to have them lifted at all? Since obviously it won't be mutual to all!

The EU won't starve as it has done last winter eating frozen hamsters in their frozen Como villa while Russia will just import things it can produce itself thus damaging their economy(.............oh, rolf, I need like 5000 breaths after laughing my ass out typing this), so again, why in all gods in the universe would they want that?

[be.open]

Yes, everything is fine in Russia without SWIFT, and with spare parts for agricultural machinery - and this is clearly seen in the sharp increase in wheat exports from Russia this year. The very concept of a deal means that it is mutually beneficial for all the parties involved, while the grain deal lasted almost a year and Russia did not receive any benefits from it. Therefore, the deal was not extended. If the UN manages to really interest Russia in resuming the deal, it will resume. Russia listed specifically what it could be interested in. That's exactly how it works.

Can you please explain why, if sanctions are beneficial for Russia and bad for the EU, for god's sake, why would Russia ask to have them lifted at all? Since obviously it won't be mutual to all!

The EU won't starve as it has done last winter eating frozen hamsters in their frozen Como villa while Russia will just import things it can produce itself thus damaging their economy(.............oh, rolf, I need like 5000 breaths after laughing my ass out typing this), so again, why in all gods in the universe would they want that?

Western sanctions are very useful for Russia in the long term and strategically and cause local discomfort in the short term and tactically.

In the case of the grain deal, Russia does not ask for anything, it lists its terms on which the grain deal can be renewed. It seems that Ukraine needs it more than Russia.

[DrBeer]

PS You still didn't indicate which ARRANGEMENTS were violated, which is generally expected by 150%

Connecting Rosselkhozbank to SWIFT, unblocking foreign assets and accounts of Russian companies associated with the production and transportation of food and fertilizers, resuming supplies of agricultural machinery and spare parts, as well as restoring the operation of the Togliatti-Odessa ammonia pipeline.

Here is a link to the April statement of the Russian Foreign Ministry on this issue.

In a way, I adore you.)  As an opponent, of course
An opponent who "buries" himself with his answers, and this is not the first time !

Let's analyze your claims and attempts to justify another act of terrorism of Russia.
Chronology of actions:
1. Ukraine strikes a military facility built by the occupant country on the territory of Ukraine and designed to deliver military cargo.
2. Russia officially declares its withdrawal from the grain deal and officially declares that now, after the strike on the so-called "Crimean Bridge" (illegally built object, in violation of international agreements, rules, ...), ANY ships going to/from ports (emphasis on the phrase "from Ukrainian ports") of Ukraine will be legitimate targets for destruction, and of course those that ensure the grain deal.
3. You state that the reason is allegedly some violations of some agreements, but you do not cite them. I ask you to specify what was violated by Ukraine?
4. You cite "facts" that took place much earlier than the date of Russia's refusal from the grain deal, and absolutely do not correspond to the OFFICIAL STATEMENT of the Kremlin !
5. You are also forgetting a couple of facts:
- There are no deals between Ukraine and Russia. There are commitments between Ukraine and the UN with Turkey's support.
- Russia has violated many treaties, obligations and conventions since 2014. For which it has received sanctions and the Kremlin Fuhrer has been prosecuted.

I would love to read your next reply

[serveria.com]

If you think that any agreements with Russia are worthless and you can ignore the interests of Russia, which are also aimed at ensuring food security in the world - why are you surprised that Russia has suspended its participation in the grain deal? Take grain out of Ukraine without Russian security guarantees, if you can.

Russia has significantly increased grain exports in 2023 despite Western sanctions. The increase in grain exports fully compensates for the drop in grain exports from Ukraine as a result of the suspension of the grain deal.

We have already discussed the topic that Ukraine did not violate any terms of the grain deal with Russia, since Ukraine did not have any deals with Russia on this matter. Ukraine has concluded an agreement on the conditions for the export of its agricultural products from its ports in the Black Sea only with the UN and Turkey. But why is Russia now intensively bombing and firing rockets precisely at the ports of Ukraine and destroying the grain located there? The Putin regime is deliberately doing everything possible to keep Ukrainian grain out of the world market.

At the same time, will Russia distribute grain stolen in Ukraine to African countries for free? The Russian people (I emphasize - the people) are now trying to destroy the neighboring state of Ukraine and kill as many Ukrainians as possible. In my opinion, there is nothing to be proud of here.

We will see what the African countries will say about this. At the summit in St. Petersburg recently, they already made clear to Putin their attitude to what is happening.

You seem to just can't stop spreading lies. Ukraine did sign the agreement with Russia no matter you admit it or not. It can be called a tri-party or mirror agreement but it had been signed and there are certain obligations for all parties involved. If you don't understand this simple fact you have a room temperature IQ.

At number 48 in this thread, I indicated 14 links to various articles, which indicate that Ukraine signed a grain agreement only with the UN and Turkey and did not sign any agreements with Russia on this matter. Therefore, I will not repeat myself. If you have an opposite opinion, confirm what you said with the appropriate links.

I will confirm it with your own sources. Let's take strana.today and run a google translation on the article you provided:

Before that, Mikhail Podolyak, adviser to the head of the Office of the President of Ukraine, said that there would be no direct agreement between Russia and Ukraine to unblock grain exports. Ukraine has signed an agreement on grain with Turkey and the UN, and Russia will also sign a mirror document with them.

and the quote from Wikipedia:

On July 22, 2022, the signing ceremony took place at Dolmabahçe Palace in Istanbul, Turkey. The ceremony marks the first major deal between the warring sides since the beginning of the Russian invasion in February. However, it was not a direct agreement between Russia and Ukraine. Instead, Ukraine signed an agreement with Turkey and the UN, and Russia signed a separate "mirror" agreement with Turkey and the UN.

I hope you understand what "mirror" agreement means?   

Quite right. Ukraine signed a grain corridor agreement with the UN and Turkey, and Russia signed an agreement with the UN and Turkey, and therefore there were no agreements between Ukraine and Russia. To be convinced of this, it is enough to analyze the answer to the question: what conditions of the grain agreement did Ukraine violate in relation to Russia? After all, Russia claims that the signed agreements regarding Russia itself were not implemented, right?

- There are no deals between Ukraine and Russia. There are commitments between Ukraine and the UN with Turkey's support.

You guys are funny (both you and DrBeer). Both of you are trying to prove that Ukraine cannot be held liable for breaking the conditions of the agreement, because in fact they didn't sign any agreements with Russia. Pretty convenient, right?

I guess be.open guy has answered your question below. Could you please answer mine? What do you think a "mirror" agreement means?

I will help you by giving a hint: there are 3 parties: A, B and C. A signs an agreement with an intermediary B and C also signs an agreement (exactly the same, hence mirror) with B. Which means that A or C break some clause in their contract with B, this clause gets broken automatically for A and C. A and C are bound legally anyway, even it's through B. Comprende?

[be.open]

PS You still didn't indicate which ARRANGEMENTS were violated, which is generally expected by 150%

Connecting Rosselkhozbank to SWIFT, unblocking foreign assets and accounts of Russian companies associated with the production and transportation of food and fertilizers, resuming supplies of agricultural machinery and spare parts, as well as restoring the operation of the Togliatti-Odessa ammonia pipeline.

Here is a link to the April statement of the Russian Foreign Ministry on this issue.

In a way, I adore you.)  As an opponent, of course
An opponent who "buries" himself with his answers, and this is not the first time !

Let's analyze your claims and attempts to justify another act of terrorism of Russia.
Chronology of actions:
1. Ukraine strikes a military facility built by the occupant country on the territory of Ukraine and designed to deliver military cargo.
2. Russia officially declares its withdrawal from the grain deal and officially declares that now, after the strike on the so-called "Crimean Bridge" (illegally built object, in violation of international agreements, rules, ...), ANY ships going to/from ports (emphasis on the phrase "from Ukrainian ports") of Ukraine will be legitimate targets for destruction, and of course those that ensure the grain deal.
3. You state that the reason is allegedly some violations of some agreements, but you do not cite them. I ask you to specify what was violated by Ukraine?
4. You cite "facts" that took place much earlier than the date of Russia's refusal from the grain deal, and absolutely do not correspond to the OFFICIAL STATEMENT of the Kremlin !
5. You are also forgetting a couple of facts:
- There are no deals between Ukraine and Russia. There are commitments between Ukraine and the UN with Turkey's support.
- Russia has violated many treaties, obligations and conventions since 2014. For which it has received sanctions and the Kremlin Fuhrer has been prosecuted.

I would love to read your next reply

Here you like to turn everything upside down, confuse causes and effects and find a relationship even where there is none. The grain deal did not end because Ukraine attacked the Crimean bridge. And because the grain deal was not open-ended, the date of its completion approached and Russia did not want to renew it - because for the year of the grain deal and several times of its extension, it did not receive any benefit from it. The validity period has expired, and now there is no grain deal. I do not think that Russia has any claims against Ukraine in this regard, rather, there are claims against the UN for its long inaction in the issue of ensuring Russia's interests within the framework of the grain deal.

Empty voice calls for the renewal of the grain deal will not have any impact, even if they come from the Pope. Russia is quite consistent in protecting its national interests and does something if it is beneficial for it. The grain deal is unprofitable for Russia, so it has been suspended. If someone wants to resume the grain deal, he should not ask Russia about it, but give Russia what it wants, I have given a wish list for resuming the deal a little higher.

I'm tired of repeating the same thing over and over again. It seems to me that there is no point in discussing the resumption of the grain deal, especially since Ukraine seems to have some problems with the infrastructure in the Black Sea ports. Let Ukraine export grain by land or across the Danube, there is no more grain deal.

[tygeade]

Nations need to figure out a way to feed themselves, you can't rely on another nation to feed you and then be upset when something goes wrong. You were the one who relied on a different nation to feed your citizens, so when that nation does whatever they want, you were not ready for it.

this is the way which should be accepted by every nation like if one nation is deprived of anything so they should worked for that to establish that thing in own country. Begging in front of other countries for little things will make you slaves so I think food and agriculture is that thing which we can grow in our own country.

If we focus to establish new ways to fulfil these needs then we should not be dependent on other countries. Dependency comes when we are not able to fulfil the requirements of citizens and are in hopes that other country will give these facilities to us so in this case we cannot become and independent nation ever.

Begging is a natural part of the world according to what you say. Because not every nation could have the same resources and some nations are just forced to live off whatever they have. Of course focus on agriculture a lot more, but what about the deserted areas in the African continent? That's the biggest example, we are talking about a huge part of the world that has no farming area, what are they going to do? Hell they do not even have clean water let alone anything else.

This is why I believe that we should not be doing anything that would challenge the whole begging part on your end. We should help the nations that need our help as much as we can, they should do whatever they can too of course, but that doesn't mean we should stop.

[Ozero]

Western sanctions are very useful for Russia in the long term and strategically and cause local discomfort in the short term and tactically.

In the case of the grain deal, Russia does not ask for anything, it lists its terms on which the grain deal can be renewed. It seems that Ukraine needs it more than Russia.

If Western sanctions are very beneficial for Russia in the long term, then Russia and the Russian people should just wait until that long term comes and just enjoy the sanctions. At the same time, Russia, it turns out, prevents the early onset of the beneficial effect of the sanctions by unilaterally withdrawing from the grain agreement and demanding that some of the imposed sanctions be lifted for its renewal, such as connecting its Russian Agricultural Bank to SWIFT. Therefore, there are obvious contradictions between the declared usefulness of sanctions in the long term and Russia's actions.

[be.open]

Western sanctions are very useful for Russia in the long term and strategically and cause local discomfort in the short term and tactically.

In the case of the grain deal, Russia does not ask for anything, it lists its terms on which the grain deal can be renewed. It seems that Ukraine needs it more than Russia.

If Western sanctions are very beneficial for Russia in the long term, then Russia and the Russian people should just wait until that long term comes and just enjoy the sanctions. At the same time, Russia, it turns out, prevents the early onset of the beneficial effect of the sanctions by unilaterally withdrawing from the grain agreement and demanding that some of the imposed sanctions be lifted for its renewal, such as connecting its Russian Agricultural Bank to SWIFT. Therefore, there are obvious contradictions between the declared usefulness of sanctions in the long term and Russia's actions.

Ahaha, "unilaterally withdrawing", "demanding"? LOL  

I repeat once again, the grain deal is over because the time has come for it to end, it was not open-ended. Russia refused to extend it, because it considered it unprofitable for itself. It does not demand anything, on the contrary, Russia is under pressure to extend the unfavorable agreement for it. And Russia is ready to meet halfway, it does not respond with a categorical refusal - for this, you just need to satisfy a few of its conditions first. This is a normal practice for building mutually beneficial relationships, if you want to get something, you first need to give something.

ps Russia has good reason to believe that the humanitarian corridor for the export of grain was also used to supply weapons to Ukraine, which is their misuse. Therefore, Ukraine has no one to blame but itself that the grain deal no longer works.

[DrBeer]

The use of military force and piracy to achieve political objectives is unacceptable and constitutes a serious violation of international law... the international community must condemn these actions and take measures to stop this type of aggression and blackmail that puts peace at risk and world stability. These actions, as you mention, in addition to having a devastating impact on the world economy and food security, increase the risk of famine in poor countries that depend on agricultural products exported from Ukraine... I think that armed conflict and trade war alone will cause suffering and hardship for all parties involved and the world community as a whole, but when it comes to Russia, I highly doubt they will seek a path to peace, cooperation and stability to ensure food security and well-being for all…

It was Russia's turn to stop exporting grain to Europe, asking for it to be withdrawn and asking for it to be reopened. It was Russia's turn to stop helping Ukraine, NATO and America were ignored, instead they continued to help by sending defense equipment. so it's only natural that it's balanced.

I think if they want to stop Russia from reopening exports, they have to stop helping arms to Ukraine and stop sanctions against Russia after that. Just have a truce and make peace. Of course Russia is willing (as long as Russia is not ordered to withdraw troops). Even if the reason is humanitarian hunger, if arms aid to Ukraine and sanctions against Russia are not stopped. Of course Russia doesn't want that. I as a layman also do not want.

So, his strategy to garner support and to retain friends are to give out FREE grain.... in a time when nobody wants to buy grain from his country.  

All countries reacted, only scapegoating third countries who were starving, while Putin guaranteed the availability of food to African countries smoothly and for free and did not need to use any guarantees.

Well the Terrorist Country and Africa summit is over. What's the bottom line?
1. A lot of speeches about nothing
2. The debts of the USSR were written off to some debtors. Here it is necessary to clarify - these debts were given not by Russia, but by all the republics of the USSR. I.e. Russia "generously" wrote off, for the most part, someone else's debts
3. An attempt to "buy" some countries with grain - met with a reasoned refusal - few people want to deal with a toxic international criminal !
4. And .... That's it !

Regarding "it's Russia's turn to stop helping Ukraine" ? Are you serious ? Mass murders, occupation, destruction of hundreds of cities, towns and villages ? Environmental and military terrorist attacks... ? I won't wish that you and your country will be helped like this all your life.....

By the way regarding "help" - if you would read what is the balance of power in the grain market - the cessation of grain supplies to the world market will only bring profit to the first three grain producers USA, EU, Canada

[Ozero]

Western sanctions are very useful for Russia in the long term and strategically and cause local discomfort in the short term and tactically.

In the case of the grain deal, Russia does not ask for anything, it lists its terms on which the grain deal can be renewed. It seems that Ukraine needs it more than Russia.

If Western sanctions are very beneficial for Russia in the long term, then Russia and the Russian people should just wait until that long term comes and just enjoy the sanctions. At the same time, Russia, it turns out, prevents the early onset of the beneficial effect of the sanctions by unilaterally withdrawing from the grain agreement and demanding that some of the imposed sanctions be lifted for its renewal, such as connecting its Russian Agricultural Bank to SWIFT. Therefore, there are obvious contradictions between the declared usefulness of sanctions in the long term and Russia's actions.

Ahaha, "unilaterally withdrawing", "demanding"? LOL  

I repeat once again, the grain deal is over because the time has come for it to end, it was not open-ended. Russia refused to extend it, because it considered it unprofitable for itself. It does not demand anything, on the contrary, Russia is under pressure to extend the unfavorable agreement for it. And Russia is ready to meet halfway, it does not respond with a categorical refusal - for this, you just need to satisfy a few of its conditions first. This is a normal practice for building mutually beneficial relationships, if you want to get something, you first need to give something.

ps Russia has good reason to believe that the humanitarian corridor for the export of grain was also used to supply weapons to Ukraine, which is their misuse. Therefore, Ukraine has no one to blame but itself that the grain deal no longer works.

Strictly speaking, what is the essence of the grain agreement for Russia? This is to stop shelling the territory of Ukraine, in particular, its Black Sea ports, to stop attacking civilian ships and, thus, to enable Ukraine to sell its grain on the international market. That is, in fact, the international community demanded from Russia to stop engaging in robbery and piracy against a neighboring state. Therefore, it is not necessary to show the actions of Russia as something that happens within the framework of ordinary civil contracts and the observance of some legitimate interests of Russia.

Yesterday there was information that the Israeli ship Ams1, despite threats from Russia, entered the Ukrainian branch of the Danube. It is the first ship to break the Russian blockade of the Black Sea since Russia's bombardment of the Danube port of Reni on 25 July. Ams1 is followed by Sahin 2 and Yilmaz Kaptan. Origin of these vessels: Israel, Greece and Türkiye/Georgia. The American P8 anti-ship aircraft provides security. It is refueled directly in the skies of Romania. Additional information is provided by the Forte12 RQ-4 reconnaissance drone.

The situation is escalating and soon we will find out whether Russia is ready to fight with the whole world.

https://tsn.ua/ru/groshi/izrailskiy-korabl-pervym-prorval-zernovuyu-blokadu-rossii-i-napravlyaetsya-v-ukrainu-smi-2381521.html

[DrBeer]

PS You still didn't indicate which ARRANGEMENTS were violated, which is generally expected by 150%

Connecting Rosselkhozbank to SWIFT, unblocking foreign assets and accounts of Russian companies associated with the production and transportation of food and fertilizers, resuming supplies of agricultural machinery and spare parts, as well as restoring the operation of the Togliatti-Odessa ammonia pipeline.

Here is a link to the April statement of the Russian Foreign Ministry on this issue.

In a way, I adore you.)  As an opponent, of course
An opponent who "buries" himself with his answers, and this is not the first time !

Let's analyze your claims and attempts to justify another act of terrorism of Russia.
Chronology of actions:
1. Ukraine strikes a military facility built by the occupant country on the territory of Ukraine and designed to deliver military cargo.
2. Russia officially declares its withdrawal from the grain deal and officially declares that now, after the strike on the so-called "Crimean Bridge" (illegally built object, in violation of international agreements, rules, ...), ANY ships going to/from ports (emphasis on the phrase "from Ukrainian ports") of Ukraine will be legitimate targets for destruction, and of course those that ensure the grain deal.
3. You state that the reason is allegedly some violations of some agreements, but you do not cite them. I ask you to specify what was violated by Ukraine?
4. You cite "facts" that took place much earlier than the date of Russia's refusal from the grain deal, and absolutely do not correspond to the OFFICIAL STATEMENT of the Kremlin !
5. You are also forgetting a couple of facts:
- There are no deals between Ukraine and Russia. There are commitments between Ukraine and the UN with Turkey's support.
- Russia has violated many treaties, obligations and conventions since 2014. For which it has received sanctions and the Kremlin Fuhrer has been prosecuted.

I would love to read your next reply

Here you like to turn everything upside down, confuse causes and effects and find a relationship even where there is none. The grain deal did not end because Ukraine attacked the Crimean bridge. And because the grain deal was not open-ended, the date of its completion approached and Russia did not want to renew it - because for the year of the grain deal and several times of its extension, it did not receive any benefit from it. The validity period has expired, and now there is no grain deal. I do not think that Russia has any claims against Ukraine in this regard, rather, there are claims against the UN for its long inaction in the issue of ensuring Russia's interests within the framework of the grain deal.

Empty voice calls for the renewal of the grain deal will not have any impact, even if they come from the Pope. Russia is quite consistent in protecting its national interests and does something if it is beneficial for it. The grain deal is unprofitable for Russia, so it has been suspended. If someone wants to resume the grain deal, he should not ask Russia about it, but give Russia what it wants, I have given a wish list for resuming the deal a little higher.

I'm tired of repeating the same thing over and over again. It seems to me that there is no point in discussing the resumption of the grain deal, especially since Ukraine seems to have some problems with the infrastructure in the Black Sea ports. Let Ukraine export grain by land or across the Danube, there is no more grain deal.

...I have once again listened to your fantasies. You have a vivid imagination, I'll give you that!
Will there be any arguments, verifiable arguments? I understand that you tried to deny reality once again, but it looks extremely stupid and pathetic You think no one listened to the squeals of the Kremlin's top brass ? You think no one can check dates and times from the hysterics ? You think no one can understand what they are talking about ?
Stop this pathetic comedy, everyone can easily check and trace the cause and effect relationship and chronology of events ! Well here are not the inhabitants of Russia, to your regret, here is a different audience - people think, analyze, verify information ... And that's why your pathetic responses look very comical ...
 
Or are you going to start justifying Russia again opposite to their official statements ? 

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Strictly speaking, what is the essence of the grain agreement for Russia? This is to stop shelling the territory of Ukraine, in particular, its Black Sea ports, to stop attacking civilian ships and, thus, to enable Ukraine to sell its grain on the international market. That is, in fact, the international community demanded from Russia to stop engaging in robbery and piracy against a neighboring state. Therefore, it is not necessary to show the actions of Russia as something that happens within the framework of ordinary civil contracts and the observance of some legitimate interests of Russia.

Are you seriously? This is the essence of the grain deal not for Russia, but for Ukraine. What is the benefit in this for Russia? Ukraine is a direct competitor of Russia in the grain supply market, why should Russia help its competitor? Russia is now the world leader in wheat exports, and this is largely because it has taken part of the market share from Ukraine. Only business, nothing personal. Try to learn to look at things more broadly, any deal should be mutually beneficial. Russia is constantly trying to be persuaded to gestures of goodwill, and then instead of gratitude, this is perceived as a sign of weakness. Do not do it this way.

Yesterday there was information that the Israeli ship Ams1, despite threats from Russia, entered the Ukrainian branch of the Danube. It is the first ship to break the Russian blockade of the Black Sea since Russia's bombardment of the Danube port of Reni on 25 July. Ams1 is followed by Sahin 2 and Yilmaz Kaptan. Origin of these vessels: Israel, Greece and Türkiye/Georgia. The American P8 anti-ship aircraft provides security. It is refueled directly in the skies of Romania. Additional information is provided by the Forte12 RQ-4 reconnaissance drone.

The situation is escalating and soon we will find out whether Russia is ready to fight with the whole world.

https://tsn.ua/ru/groshi/izrailskiy-korabl-pervym-prorval-zernovuyu-blokadu-rossii-i-napravlyaetsya-v-ukrainu-smi-2381521.html

Ahaha, I recognize the crooked handwriting of Ukrainian propaganda. There is no and never was any blockade for the Danube, transport grain by land and along the Danube as much as you like, the blockade is only for transportation along the Black Sea. The problem with transportation along the Danube is not in the blockade by Russia, but in its depth, which is insufficient for large bulk carriers. In small river barges - as much as you like, you can even transport grain by plane.

[Ozero]

Strictly speaking, what is the essence of the grain agreement for Russia? This is to stop shelling the territory of Ukraine, in particular, its Black Sea ports, to stop attacking civilian ships and, thus, to enable Ukraine to sell its grain on the international market. That is, in fact, the international community demanded from Russia to stop engaging in robbery and piracy against a neighboring state. Therefore, it is not necessary to show the actions of Russia as something that happens within the framework of ordinary civil contracts and the observance of some legitimate interests of Russia.

Are you seriously? This is the essence of the grain deal not for Russia, but for Ukraine. What is the benefit in this for Russia? Ukraine is a direct competitor of Russia in the grain supply market, why should Russia help its competitor? Russia is now the world leader in wheat exports, and this is largely because it has taken part of the market share from Ukraine. Only business, nothing personal. Try to learn to look at things more broadly, any deal should be mutually beneficial. Russia is constantly trying to be persuaded to gestures of goodwill, and then instead of gratitude, this is perceived as a sign of weakness. Do not do it this way.

Yesterday there was information that the Israeli ship Ams1, despite threats from Russia, entered the Ukrainian branch of the Danube. It is the first ship to break the Russian blockade of the Black Sea since Russia's bombardment of the Danube port of Reni on 25 July. Ams1 is followed by Sahin 2 and Yilmaz Kaptan. Origin of these vessels: Israel, Greece and Türkiye/Georgia. The American P8 anti-ship aircraft provides security. It is refueled directly in the skies of Romania. Additional information is provided by the Forte12 RQ-4 reconnaissance drone.

The situation is escalating and soon we will find out whether Russia is ready to fight with the whole world.

https://tsn.ua/ru/groshi/izrailskiy-korabl-pervym-prorval-zernovuyu-blokadu-rossii-i-napravlyaetsya-v-ukrainu-smi-2381521.html

Ahaha, I recognize the crooked handwriting of Ukrainian propaganda. There is no and never was any blockade for the Danube, transport grain by land and along the Danube as much as you like, the blockade is only for transportation along the Black Sea. The problem with transportation along the Danube is not in the blockade by Russia, but in its depth, which is insufficient for large bulk carriers. In small river barges - as much as you like, you can even transport grain by plane.

Well, why deny the obvious past events and facts?
On July 24, Russia attacked the Danube terminals of Reni and Izmail with Iranian drones. At the same time, three drones were shot down, the rest destroyed the hangar with grain and damaged storage tanks for cargo.
Having bombed the elevators and the port in Odessa, Russia took up alternative routes for the export of Ukrainian grain, which has already led to new rounds of food prices in the world, since Ukraine is one of the world's leading grain suppliers and Russia's main competitor in the grain market. The Danube is one of the key export routes with a monthly throughput of over 2 million tons.

Since the port of Reni is located close to the border with Moldova and across the Danube from Romania, analysts believed that Russia would not risk bombing an object a hundred meters from the territory of a NATO member state. But it wasn’t enough for Russia that in nine days after withdrawing from the grain deal, it destroyed over 180 thousand tons of grain, 26 port infrastructure facilities and sank five civilian ships by launching missile attacks on the Black Sea ports of Ukraine.
Source:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.bbc.com/russian/articles/c2jrp1yxvngo&ved=2ahUKEwiu_tOU7rqAAxVZhv0HHZB-D18Qjjh6BAgTEAE&usg=AOvVaw11ABJulIs0dn A92i7zQB3b

So you say, carry grain by land and along the Danube as much as you like? Thus, Russia eliminates a trade competitor in the face of Ukraine? Purely bandit methods of a terrorist country.

[serveria.com]

Western sanctions are very useful for Russia in the long term and strategically and cause local discomfort in the short term and tactically.

In the case of the grain deal, Russia does not ask for anything, it lists its terms on which the grain deal can be renewed. It seems that Ukraine needs it more than Russia.

If Western sanctions are very beneficial for Russia in the long term, then Russia and the Russian people should just wait until that long term comes and just enjoy the sanctions. At the same time, Russia, it turns out, prevents the early onset of the beneficial effect of the sanctions by unilaterally withdrawing from the grain agreement and demanding that some of the imposed sanctions be lifted for its renewal, such as connecting its Russian Agricultural Bank to SWIFT. Therefore, there are obvious contradictions between the declared usefulness of sanctions in the long term and Russia's actions.

Ahaha, "unilaterally withdrawing", "demanding"? LOL  

I repeat once again, the grain deal is over because the time has come for it to end, it was not open-ended. Russia refused to extend it, because it considered it unprofitable for itself. It does not demand anything, on the contrary, Russia is under pressure to extend the unfavorable agreement for it. And Russia is ready to meet halfway, it does not respond with a categorical refusal - for this, you just need to satisfy a few of its conditions first. This is a normal practice for building mutually beneficial relationships, if you want to get something, you first need to give something.

ps Russia has good reason to believe that the humanitarian corridor for the export of grain was also used to supply weapons to Ukraine, which is their misuse. Therefore, Ukraine has no one to blame but itself that the grain deal no longer works.

Strictly speaking, what is the essence of the grain agreement for Russia? This is to stop shelling the territory of Ukraine, in particular, its Black Sea ports, to stop attacking civilian ships and, thus, to enable Ukraine to sell its grain on the international market. That is, in fact, the international community demanded from Russia to stop engaging in robbery and piracy against a neighboring state. Therefore, it is not necessary to show the actions of Russia as something that happens within the framework of ordinary civil contracts and the observance of some legitimate interests of Russia.

Yesterday there was information that the Israeli ship Ams1, despite threats from Russia, entered the Ukrainian branch of the Danube. It is the first ship to break the Russian blockade of the Black Sea since Russia's bombardment of the Danube port of Reni on 25 July. Ams1 is followed by Sahin 2 and Yilmaz Kaptan. Origin of these vessels: Israel, Greece and Türkiye/Georgia. The American P8 anti-ship aircraft provides security. It is refueled directly in the skies of Romania. Additional information is provided by the Forte12 RQ-4 reconnaissance drone.

The situation is escalating and soon we will find out whether Russia is ready to fight with the whole world.

https://tsn.ua/ru/groshi/izrailskiy-korabl-pervym-prorval-zernovuyu-blokadu-rossii-i-napravlyaetsya-v-ukrainu-smi-2381521.html

Muahaha... nice try! Russia never said it will stop empty vessels going to Ukraine. What they said was that they will prevent vessels loaded with grain from leaving the area. Any ship from any country is free to enter any Ukrainian port.

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Well, why deny the obvious past events and facts?
On July 24, Russia attacked the Danube terminals of Reni and Izmail with Iranian drones. At the same time, three drones were shot down, the rest destroyed the hangar with grain and damaged storage tanks for cargo.
Having bombed the elevators and the port in Odessa, Russia took up alternative routes for the export of Ukrainian grain, which has already led to new rounds of food prices in the world, since Ukraine is one of the world's leading grain suppliers and Russia's main competitor in the grain market. The Danube is one of the key export routes with a monthly throughput of over 2 million tons.

Since the port of Reni is located close to the border with Moldova and across the Danube from Romania, analysts believed that Russia would not risk bombing an object a hundred meters from the territory of a NATO member state. But it wasn’t enough for Russia that in nine days after withdrawing from the grain deal, it destroyed over 180 thousand tons of grain, 26 port infrastructure facilities and sank five civilian ships by launching missile attacks on the Black Sea ports of Ukraine.
Source:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.bbc.com/russian/articles/c2jrp1yxvngo&ved=2ahUKEwiu_tOU7rqAAxVZhv0HHZB-D18Qjjh6BAgTEAE&usg=AOvVaw11ABJulIs0dn A92i7zQB3b

So you say, carry grain by land and along the Danube as much as you like? Thus, Russia eliminates a trade competitor in the face of Ukraine? Purely bandit methods of a terrorist country.

Apparently you do not understand the meaning of the word "blockade", but I will explain it to you now. The blockade means Russia is blocking shipping through Ukrainian ports in the Black Sea. Ports in the Danube are not under blockade, navigation through them by any ships flying the flags of third countries can be carried out without hindrance. However, Russia reserves the right to strike dual-use port infrastructure because it has good reason to believe that it is being used to transport weapons to Ukraine. With these strikes, Russia contributes to the speedy end of the conflict, albeit not in the way that Ukraine likes.

[rikybrosh]

war always bring negative impact to the world, I hope ukranian citizens safe and have enough food. as far as I know Ukrania was known as big producer of wheat which produce 433 million ton during 2000-2020. it is not small amount, my country recieve indirect impact of this war although it is not so big impact but it will be better if the world is in peace and keep developing. Although my staple food is rice but sometime I eat wheat derivative product. that war is not influence my country too much but I hope the war will be over soon and no more people die. I don't really care about Russia and Ukrania Government or why this happen, both side must have their own reason and it's too complicated for me to understand. my only concern was the citizens, please keep the citizen safe.