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This happened in 2022 and although I do not know the outcome of the court case, my thoughts are that the discussion about casinos should go beyond security measures to cover how prepared they are in the event of a health emergency . I think that well-equipped First Aid Kit and trained paramedical staff could significantly contribute to ensuring the safety and well-being of casino patrons. Although casinos are primarily places where people go for entertainment and profit, the operators should put in place health emergency measures could potentially mitigate the impact of unforeseen events. On the other hand, I would argue that the family of the deceased is trying to obtain money from the casino. Do you think the casino is to be blamed?

The casino most likely didn't know he was having a heart attack. If they did know, he would have been dragged out of the casino so that they will not have any responsibility for his death. Incidents like this don't happen often but I do think casinos have clinics to respond to such incidents.


Since you already said you are going to argue about it, I will not object anymore.  ;D  But would they still blame the casino if they responded fast and for like a minute he was delivered to a hospital with advanced devices yet he was still declared Dead on arrival?

They are already prepared with any kind of (First Aid Kit)

But, do you know? most of the kit is only for the common case. Cardiac arrest (heart-attack) is not really a common case (it's really rare to be happening) and most of service provider is also are gonna to provided the same things that casino provided.

They are ready, for any kind common issue because that was the most they're facing.

I don't know the law about safety measures in Florida but every establishment here in our country that deals with gathering people should have medical equipment or people should be trained to address medical conditions like this, if there is a law mandating establishment then the casino will have liability and should be charged by his family.

There is injustice done to the player he should be alive if there is no negligence or the casino did not implement training their staff to address this kind of issue, so it is right for the family to ask for compensation its not that they are trying to extract money to the casino they are just doing what is right for their relative.

The dealer has failed in all responsibility and the lawsuit is most appropriate because even though cardiac arrest is a complicated issue that needs professional attention which can be gotten at the hospital from a doctor,  the dealer failed to show any form of health measures to save the man but also the dealer went ahead with his businesses this is a case of negligence since this happens in a physical casino and at that the regulators should have outline safety practices to them before getting them a license.

I had to read the link to see if the dealer made any attempt at all,  but I did not see any significant information on the case and what becomes the final judgement,  but in all senses, it is not appropriate for the dealer to have neglected the customers immediately he slumps over the blackjack board.

I read the article and it seems the actual problem here is that dealer ignored the man and continued card dealing. Also, Wynn security saw what was happening and didn't act. Is that a crime? Sure, casinos should train their employees for first aid help. Not only train but they shouldn't be like a robot, I know casino dealers are prohibited to stop gambling session even if their colleague passes out, that's a pure evil thing but at some point as someone explained me, that's because sometimes people cheat when they lose a lot and one would do such a thing to stop the gambling session to avoid financial loss. But I don't think that's a good explanation.

To be honest, it was impossible to escape that man who had cardiac arrest. It's a fatal accident, I've seen myself in real life how a man dead from cardiac arrest, it happened in seconds. If you really aren't in hospital, it's impossible to escape because no ambulance can come in some minutes.

I do not know about the lawsuit to be right or wrong, but according to how I see it, it is totally wrong. Anyone can die of cardiac arrest at certain middle or old age.

Only what I know that can happen is to rush the man to a hospital nearby, but which can be done by some of the casino workers that are in charge of something like it in the casino. But it can be too late, cardiac arrest can occur fast and lead to death.

I think the casinos are already equipped for emergencies but they cannot do anything if somebody has an cardiac arrest and God forbid dies there,there is nothing the casino can do in such scenario.Of course I agree that more should be done in order to achieve better response to emergencies like having a doctor there for any case,like a cardiac arrest who is not fatal but leaves the person stunned and the doctor should intervene,it is not enough to have a first aid kit in such scenario.

Aside from having a stand-by doctor, the casino should also have a stand emergency van to rush such cases to the hospital,  because if you look closely into this case,  even though the man's death happens so fast, due to the nature of his heart attack,  but the action of the dealer to have neglected the gamblers instead of raising alarm for some others helping hands even if he needs to continue with his business.

So having a stand-by van to move emergency in public utilities such as a casino is most appropriate for this kind of incident.

First aid kits are mandatory everywhere but the paramedical staff is not really essential cause they are going to pay for someone every month for something which may not happen once a year. In this case, the casino ignored the media situation and they can be sued by the affected parties for millions in case if they acted right there won't be a situation at all. So creating awareness of what to do can be a good suggestion instead of adding unnecessary expenses.

the casino should already have a first aid kit as a treatment measure for unexpected things, because that is the most basic thing for any entertainment venue. but cardiac arrest is an illness which is difficult to be treated by first aid kits, it requires further treatment by the medical team and places like casinos may not have the ability to handle this. it seems that this really is an incident that the casino doesn't know about, because logically if it were known by the casino they would definitely contact the hospital to be able to get medical help as soon as possible.

I think when you enter into reputable casinos, it’s already given that they are also prepared to extend their emergency help in times of unforeseen incidents. However, you are right, having a cardiac arrest is not a common case as it’s very serious that needs immediate medication from health professionals. So if you think you have heart problems, be sure to take your maintenance medicine first before you gamble in casinos. That way, cases like this will be avoided and should not put the blame into the casino management.

Casino is a business about game, not medical health. This is unexpected, so you can't blame the casino because of not having a doctor and a room for serious illness. If you're going to workshop and you want to repair your car, do the workshop's workers are talented in health emergency? if you're going to grocery store to buy some veggies and chips, do the grocery store's workers are talented in health emergency?

The best thing to do is call an ambulance, it's not about the place.

The story is very pathetic because a little medical attention would have saved the gamer's life. I agree that casinos should have well-equipped first aid but having an employed paramedic will depend on the size of the casino. If the casino usually has frequent customers and can afford the cost of employing one, it will be okay. But their staff you be well trained in customer relations and emergency. They should have a swift link with a hospital with an effective ambulance.

The most disheartening part of the story is that the client suffered a heart attack for 15munites and the staff didn't show any concern but was dealing with other players. The family might just be angry and want justice. Maybe they might be targeting profit from the judgment. I don't know what the attendant was thinking maybe he thought David Jagolinzer was drunk or on drugs. I am sure they would have offered help if they knew that he was dying. The casino is responsible if they are more concerned about profit making than the health of their customers. But if it was because of the negligence of the staff, then the law should be lenient.

There are cases when drunk players just fall asleep into blackjack/poker tables, so I guess they thought of this one as another of those cases. Though at the least, the dealer should have called for someone to ask the man to 'leave' in order to check on what's happening with the guy. Needless to say, the dealer should have send someone out to check on the guy immediately after he stumped. I'm pretty sure that the way the man slumped isn't normal, so from that point the dealer should have been alarmed.

Anyway, I guess casinos have these people around, the health professionals and stuff. It's just that the dealer didn't alert any of them at the time the incident happened.

As someone died due to the negligence of the casino I would support the family of the deceased. The casino should compensate the family as it was their responsibility to look into the medical emergency. Most casinos are equipped with medical emergencies as they do have trained doctors and EMT specialists. What happened in this case is questionable and now through this lawsuit, it will be investigated. Meanwhile, all other casinos should learn from this incident and try to be proactive in such a situation.

It is impossible for an offline casino to not have first aid kits and I think they do, but maybe in the above case there is no such service it may be very unfortunate also if a user or gambler has a cardiac arrest there should be a team to take him to the hospital with an ambulance maybe at least it is also owned by offline casinos. I often see ambulances where they are available in entertainment venues or first aid kits so that when something happens that needs to be rushed to the hospital they are always on standby.

But this cannot blame the casino and its users either, therefore users should play at casinos that have first aid kits and services like that, when cases like this occur they can be handled directly, but this case will become a concern and a lesson for other casinos. also gamblers who still play in offline casinos. because this is very important especially related to one's life.

From what I understood from the article the Op presented, not only did the casino team ignored or neglected the man they also didn’t have a well trained emergency personnel to handle the situation.

I think the casino should be held responsible, and just as the article said which is true, if the deceased person was cheating in a game you’ll see security everywhere trying to apprehend the man but when it got to the health of the man they all stood in their position and even went on to check the man’s card without bothering to know why the man slumped, which is very unprofessional for them. If they are allowed to go without any consequences I’m sure other casino that are also guilty of such behavior will still continue doing it but if they are faced with a severe punishment others might be force to change for the better.

Nah, I don't think that the casinos here are to blame, they are in the gambling industry and we really don't know what's going to happen to us next. Maybe you are eating dinner in a fancy restaurant and then suddenly have a heart attack as well.

Just interesting though what will be the and of the person as it could be called a 'dead mans hand', in black jack now.

As in poker legend, this is known to be a dead mans hand,

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I can't imagine telling or ordering all casinos to start hiring a satisfied nurse or doctor for in case of emergencies,  what emergencies anyway? Because a man died of a heart attack, how many have died the same way in a year? I guess there is no other like this.

If this is a constant accident there would have been a new form of law to start having a clinic or standby docs around the casinos to treat emergencies like this one, I am sure the casino will be able to pay but that's not the case.

I don't have to blame the casino, and first-aid is for injuries not emergencies like this.

For those saying that someone should have cared for the man, well, it's possible that they aren't even aware of what's going on, some gamblers are very good at putting up an act when they lose games, and some will even roll on the ground, they are full of drama, I have seen this before in a gambling house in my country.

in that case i read it is very sad how the people around him think and what they think when someone falls ill or unconsciously on the blackjack table and what's worse the dealer continues to distribute cards to other players or is it really that bad the behavior of people in the casino without helping someone who is sick and I think this casino is like a little casino that does not care what happens to the people. it may sound a bit harsh but what I know is that Wynn Las Vegas is a luxurious gambling place but why would someone not care about other people when there is a very critical problem.

I know that gambling or a casino is a place to find entertainment and whatever happens is not the responsibility of the casino, but at least if there is an urgent problem, the casino should help or call the hospital to get it resolved immediately. people who are there are not free and pay a high price and if there is a problem like that and the family asks the casino for money it is very reasonable because there is no concern there.

Obviously, they are not trained to figure out if a player is having a heart attack, so they just continue because they are also serving other players, but the casino is still liable for what happened to one of their clients, the dealer is trained to deal a card but they should still equipt on knowledge about medical attention, they should have CCTV where the people monitoring should be the oen monitoring if something is not right in one of their client.
The family has a right to file a case, if only they are equipped and their staff are trained for emergency situation like this, these things will not happen.

This ain't a matter of being prepared for health emergencies, it should be a matter of dealers not being dumb enough to let someone who experienced a cardiac arrest sit at the table and literally do nothing. In case the man was already, say, lying his head down the table and experienced the arrest then, then they may have ignored him simply because they thought he was having a break but really, don't people who get attacks usually exhibit some weird or odd symptom, e.g. shaking? I reckon that would've been more than enough for someone to check up on him. Heck, someone sitting at a table for 5 minutes not doing anything but lying down should be asked to leave really.

We can't really blame anyone here except the casino. I mean we can't exactly blame the man for having a cardiac arrest at that exact place no? The casino can't escape responsibility here imo,  not because of them not being well equipped for health emergencies, just in terms of personnel training imo.

As far as I know, first aid kit is mandatory in casino's. They also require basic training on how to perform first aid. On the man's case, it depends on how the casino act on what happened. If the man was having a heart attack and did nothing at all or maybe they did not noticed immediately, maybe there's something wrong with them. Imagine being a dealer and there's a man having a heart attack in front of you or just collapsed on the table and you did nothing. Man, you have no awareness around you.

This is why you should gamble in land based casino with your friend, the dealer might think it's just normal thing and the gambler will recovered after a while. But since there's no friend of the gambler know if he has a problem with his heart, no one take it seriously. If there was his friend on there, he know what he need to do and call an ambulance ASAP.

They are trying to blame the dealer for not noticing the player who suffered cardiac arrest since he/she continue deal while the player is already in pain. The story is not in detailed narration but the casino can be charge for negligence in case the judge who will handle this consider the family and what happened. Sometime court on US side against the casino when the victim family manage to get sympathy.

They could be if the staff that administered the quick aid can be proven as untrained. What I would really like to know is whether or not the staff called 911 or seek help from other medical professionals upon realizing the customer's grave condition but that wasn't mentioned in the article. I think they would still be cleared of any charges if they did that.

It's not easy to blame the casino because the casino will say that they are not responsible for anything that happens to people who play gambling in their place. Maybe the casino can equip the place by providing a complete first aid kit so that if there is such an incident, the paramedic staff from the casino can immediately provide emergency assistance. But if the deceased's family wants to sue the casino, it won't be easy because the casino can turn against them by saying that it is not for people who suffer from heart disease, which can flare up when gambling.

This is actually a dilemma. On the one hand, the casino wants to provide satisfying service to its customers. On the other hand, the casino must also ensure that its customers are in a healthy condition. This is also the responsibility of each person who comes to the casino, apart from keeping his money from playing gambling. But how else, the victim's family will surely sue the casino because it cannot provide emergency assistance to the victim.

The more you choose to help the rich especially with a good heart for others, we can see that it can be more helpful people than poor people. It is also the beauty of the rich who are always positive even when they are losing because they always look at the future.

And when we put the poor people first, the person who helps themselves will also be difficult and have trouble with these people because we can see the negative mindsets and hear what they have to say.

As far as I know, every establishments have management systems starting from safety, security, and up to knowing the basics of first aid. Especially if there are instances like this, a gambler who happens to need an immediate medical attention, casino are required to have this because they wouldn't be permitted to build the establishment if they lack management systems in the first place. From what is written in the article, I don't think it is the casino's fault, it's just that unexpected things really happen. Afterall, customers are the top priorities of casino, and I believe they all want the best for their customers and none of them want this to happen.

What I believe is that people will always find a way to shift the blame to other entities and individuals. The family would have still blamed the casino if they had offered timely medical assistance, such as a defibrillator, and the man had subsequently passed away. I am not attempting to sound insensitive, but who knows, perhaps the man was burdened with significant gambling debt, and the family is seeking a method to have it settled. I might be mistaken, but it's just a thought.

        -     It's just sad that this kind of incident where you're a gambler is suddenly attacked by such a disease, you know what it means, you're just there at the casino to have some fun. Then what's even worse is that you are actually having a cardiac arrest, I can't believe that their employee didn't notice it right away.

Then he only noticed when a few minutes passed, and it looks like they haven't been oriented that when emergencies like that happen to their players, they should know the basic action in an emergency like that. Because based on the article, their employees don't know how to use a medical kit.

Even if a casino is a place for entertainment and getting profits, there should be medical staff available all the time because when people gamble, they sometimes panic, sometimes they might get sick if they are losing a lot, or they can even get an attack for winning something significant, in any case, a medical team or at least a medical attendant is important to provide initial first aid to the patients that might be having some sort of problems in the casino.

Not only a medical attendant, but I think they should also have an ambulance or at least a truck or something that can be used to send people suffering from diseases to the hospital after they are handled by the medical staff because the problem might be more severe and there might be a hand of something more than just initial medical care.

Casinos are, at their core, businesses that profit from people's urge to bet. They are neither charitable organizations nor medical facilities. They are money-making machines. But it's frankly appalling that a man in need of medical attention was neglected. You'd think that a business meant to empty your wallets would at least be concerned with keeping you alive so you could spend more.

What is your opinion of the paramedical staff and first aid? Perfectly spoken. If not out of empathy, then at the very least for aesthetic sake, any building intended to house big crowds ought to have that. Nevertheless, accusing the family of wanting to capitalize on the tragedy? That strikes me as a cheap shot. Imagine yourself in their position. Perhaps they're merely attempting to draw attention to a structural problem with these gambling dens. Does the casino deserve any blame? Absolutely! It`s a matter of fundamental human decency.

Did the man lose a huge bet that caused this heart attack?
Whatever happens while he is inside the casino's vicinity, the casino will still have the responsibility. It's what the lawyers will tell the family who lost a member. Lawyers fuck the casino.

When someone stumbles and gets injured because of a stone that blocks the way, one lawyer could argue it is the owner's fault for now minding the stone. The owner of the property will be responsible for a personal injury lawsuit.

Very sad and worrying. this is not only talking about someone who is unconscious at the casino, but this also talks about the loss of a sense of humanity both on the part of the casino and between the players in it.

I know that the world of gambling is better known as the black world. And when people are at the round table, there are no more friends there and everyone becomes opponents. but are they that bad that they don't care what happens to their opponents.
and this is a lesson for us not to go alone to the casino, preferably before we go to the casino to ask other people to accompany us while playing.

The article says the attorneys of the family are claiming the dealer and the casino ignored the man when he was slumped over. That is a ridiculous claim in my opinion as no casino would like to have someone die with everyone watching on their premises. They probably would prefer you alive so you could spend more money.

I guess having a player slumped over the table is like a normal sight as no one thought to check on him for a while.Obviously, a primarily profit and entertainment oriented organization would spend much more on things that would attract the crowd, give them a good time and later begin to make profit as they empty their wallet on the premises.

It's sad that he went unnoticed for that long and I think he probably would have survived if he would noticed much sooner. But I don't think that argument put up by the attorneys of the family holds much water. The fact that he suffered a cardiac arrest and died is sad but not the fault of the casino.

It should be the protocol for businesses to have some kind of preparation for emergencies like this one, especially this one. Aside from all the possible emergencies, this can be common to them knowing that a lot of elderly people like to gamble their extra money and just play continuously.

Sadly, the dealer kept on dealing even if someone was already slumped or possibly had medical emergencies.

Any casino will never want to care about the fate of its users who experience any condition, including what happened to that person regarding a heart attack on a blackjack table at Wynn Las Vegas or other places that have never been exposed to social media. But they definitely won't neglect the first-step countermeasures if that happens.

Even though I agree that every casino that has a good reputation should provide what we are talking about, this seems to be overly exaggerated. If our health condition is not good, why do we have to come to the casino and this is what causes when we are not ready for gambling conditions, then when you experience a big loss it can cause a sudden heart attack and Do not gamble when our health condition is problematic because it will have a fatal impact. How can we basically blame them, what articles and errors can we use to sue the casino, so that they are responsible and provide compensation in the form of money. LOL

As far as I know every place that has obtained a permit to operate has first aid kits as a temporary emergency measure, it's just that sometimes the workers don't understand what to do in these conditions. Especially when it's related to a heart attack and not everyone knows how to handle it quickly.

The thing is the casino wouldn't have known that he was suffering from cardiac arrest. Slumped over people are a common sight in casinos, they offer complementary drinks to everyone after all. And while I agree that health personnel should be active and available for assistance especially in casinos, it should go without saying that implementing them effectively is going to be a massive ordeal, since for one, they will for sure find the crowded spaces these casinos are known for to be difficult when they are performing emergency health maneuvers. Plus the fact that you couldn't really tell which is which from a far distance.

Noble cause without applicable applications. I wish things were easier done so things like this don't happen but if the execution was not perfected, we wouldn't go anywhere.

The dealer in the story should be prosecuted also for negligence by the casino where the incident happened.  I do believe he/she was in a vantage position to clearly observe the composure of everyone playing on the table and should have been the first responder.

It's sad how it takes an awful experience most times to teach us the right lessons. Casinos these days, at least the big once I know have emergency lines of most health care practitioners/businesses around the vicinity of their business incase something like such happens. I do not know about those local ones.
However, I think people who have medical conditions should know instances and environments that can trigger their conditions and try to avoid them or use a tag or go with a friend or family, if they intend to have a go at the excitement and thrill that gambling and casino houses has to offer.

Anything relating to heart problems is sometimes very critical, and first aid in casinos is not just something that can easily help; the best thing to do is to call an emergency. If perhaps they never did call an emergency, then it was bad of them. But although it's not the fault of the casino, if the man had already had some heart disease earlier on, then the family of the man should not file any charges against the casino. There is no well-established organisation that doesn't have a first aid kit, and I believe the casino also usually has one.

First-aid kit is a must to every establishment before they can get the permit to operate a business.
However, the dealer of that casino should have a different response rather than just continue what he's doing.
It was a medical emergency and he can pause what he's doing. I don't know how he was trained on this situation.
But a big casino like Wynn, should have that kind of training, even the basic one. We are talking about life here of a person.
I hope this will be a lesson for any casino, they need to be alert in spotting such cases like this and don't just ignore the situation

There is really no way to tell the health Status of any gambler that comes to the casino to gamble. But the entire situation would have been avoided.

 The dealer should be sacked for not being observant on the blackjack table of the people gambling. If he has been the observant type, he surely would have  been able to quickly call the attention of the casino management to avoid the scenario of a client dying and leaving a bad name to the casino.

They have a right to be angry and put blames on the casino for negligence, failure to take proper care of their client. The dealer was employed by the Casino, so the casino will take the blame for his actions.

Proper first aid and an emergency response to rush the gambler to a hospital would have saved his life.

I think to enforce casinos to have paramedicals teams would be a very abusive regulation. I think the emergency service must be efficient and reach every locations pretty fast and that is all. Here in our country the service is managed by the government, but in other countries I think it can be managed by the private sector too.

Citizens just have to make sure the system is working properly, but not forcing businessmen to increase their debt by hiring paramedicals or acquiring medical equipments for their businesses. After all, I don't think it's their obligation.

This is true but it should come as a matter of concern that the time spent being inactive at the table was too long. Anything other than five minutes is too much. I hope that the casino management have been able to learn from this bitter experience.

I don't know, but I think every business place including a casino of course they must already have or provide a number of basic medical equipment for first aid. But in cases or incidents like this, of course they are beyond their control and in my opinion incidents like this are purely due to a problem with the person's health condition.
A card dealing officer and everyone in there might have thought that he was just drunk and fell down. But if there is someone who disturbs the comfort of playing, the security from the casino should be swift to pick up the person to be moved and examined.
Actually I don't think the casino is to be blamed for such an incident but it could be their fault as there was no responsive and fast action to address the issue of someone fainting out of the blue.

You are saying one or a couple of paramedics should be locked in one casino instead of giving care to others in different places? Hmm, maybe a private company can do that. Although I seriously doubt a cardiac arrest can be helped out at that event with first aid, the first thing they should think about is bringing the patient as quickly as possible to the hospital where proper care will be applied. I think the amount of securities they put in every physical casino is enough to do that job. They all have eyes on those who cheat so I doubt they will not see what is happening unless it's an attack that is not too obvious like mild strokes or whatever.
One case should not make it a way to sudden changes. Maybe there are cases where they reacted fast but only the rare bad one came out of the news.

Man, I believe that every country has very clear laws about medical emergencies, I don't know if in the place where this fact actually occurred it was necessary to have a medical team or first aid kits available, but obviously I am to believe that AT A MINIMUM they should have called the emergency requesting urgent medical help.
It's notable how even today many face-to-face casinos value profit in the first place, as they believed that any "different" movement could generate turmoil and losses for the house.... regretful to have to read this.

But I agree with a colleague here.... I believe that no one noticed that the bettor was feeling sick, even because in this game it is necessary to "maintain discretion" in order to be able to bluff correctly and also interpret the opponents' body result.

In any case, I believe that the casino is the main culprit in the case of omission of help, and should be punished.

It is illegal for a huge business or establishment to not have any nurses or doctors on stand-by during hours of operation. I think the casino in question have the medical team and quick response team on their speed dial, it's just that the dealer failed to assess the situation correctly. If I were the casino, I'd put the blame on the dealer for not calling the relevant team that handles such concerns. Also, the dealer could have alerted a security nearby to wake the person up. Well, what's done is done. The man's lawyer could sue this casino for a huge sum, that's for sure.

Why should the dealer be held accountable for anything? The dealer was doing what he was supposed to do and that’s to deal cards. What about the other people sitting at the table or even the person sitting right next to him? Why not hold them all liable and also move to prosecute them
The dealer wasn’t negligent as it’s not in the job description to babysit people who come in to play. It’s really sad the man went unnoticed for a while and died but the dealer shouldn’t be blamed for anything.

Casinos should be held to the same standards as other businesses, so if there is no need for other businesses to have trained medical staff then casinos should not be forced to have those kind of measures on hand.

However as we know many casinos are also hotels and most hotels do indeed have some medical personal on hand to help their customers in the case of an emergency, however what is outrageous out of this story is that people kept playing despite a person being unconscious on the same table, now I understand that this is probably a behavior they see all the time as people get drunk at casinos very often, but to have no protocol in place to deal with this and call to emergencies is simply bad practice, and the family should be able to get some compensation due to this oversight.

Having a first aid kit is important but how to use it is also vital. There are basic first aid treatments that can be administered to a cardiac arrest patient. The first step to take is to call a hospital emergency service and begin a high-quality cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR). This is why every organization not only casinos should always train their staff periodically. A simple CPR would have been helpful before the coming of qualified health officials. Although this is a piece of bad news it will serve as a wake-up call to other casinos. It is a call to focus not just on profit maximization but the welfare of the clients.

This is not just a morality issue but a legal one. If the law states that the company is liable for the well-being of clients within its premises, then it will be held liable. This is not also the issue of babysitting clients, a gamer not responding for about fifteen minutes should be a concern to the attendant. The casino is not a hotel where clients should be left alone to rest or sleep.

For sure, the casino didn't know it. I mean, there are a lot of drunk people for sure in the casino, and the dealer thought that he was just drunk and got laid off to the floor. Or they have a protocol that the dealer doesn't need to take care of those events, only the security, but again, you are right, there should be some that look after those kinds of situations no matter what, which I've also noticed mostly, like a medic on standby inside the casino, only the security, so this needs to be implemented so that it would be prevented.

In my opinion, every big casino is required to have a medical, first aid, and doctor who is ready for emergencies, because things like that can happen to players or during gambling, whether it's a heart attack, commotion in gambling, and much more.  coupled with the condition when playing emotionally which can accelerate one's heart when playing has a fast beat, you can also work with dealers who are able to handle things like convulsions, or heart attacks, at least they can provide first aid so that conditions are not too bad when  , so in my opinion medical and medicinal places should at least be held in big casinos and even the smallest casinos.

I'm also sure that for an international casino class they definitely provide a first aid kit. However, the first aid kit will not help people with heart attacks at all, the best way is to take them directly to the hospital.
Maybe either they were too enjoying the game so they didn't realize that someone was unconscious in the middle of the game. Or maybe the casino has no humanity so they prefer to continue the game and ignore someone who falls in the middle of the game.

But I think that this is about a humanitarian crisis at the Las Vegas casino, the lack of sympathy, empathy and mutual assistance to one another. they just let it go.

Yes, I agree with you and the previous comments that the casino probably had a first aid kit but that it did not include a defibrillator. In large organisations it is not uncommon for there to be a defibrillator for every x number of people and at least some people are trained to use it if necessary.

However, I imagine that statistically it is very rare, and that it is not just because of one case that casinos the size of this one are going to be forced to have defibrillators and train their staff.

There may still be casinos that haven't thought about having first aid kits or medical personnel because casinos have never encountered such a case. But with that incident, casino owners should have started preparing so that if something like this happened, they could immediately provide assistance to the victims. But gamblers should also make sure that they are fine and don't have heart disease so that if they experience a big loss or win, they won't have a heart attack, which can result in death due to late treatment. Gambling can affect one's emotions and heart because there will be moments when a person wins or loses big, which can make him shocked and unable to bear the overflowing feelings.

It's better if casinos really have medical equipment such as first aid to provide first aid if someone has a heart attack. Only after that, the casino can contact the hospital to send the patient there for even more serious treatment. This is a valuable lesson for the casino so that it can be even better in the future and also a valuable lesson for gamblers so they can gamble with excellent physical condition.

Really? I'm not aware about this. As far as I know only live events, especially the ones opened to the public, like shows, exhibitions and parties must have paramedicals in stand-by, walking among the public and attentive to any emergencies which may happen to support in time, until the ambulance arrives to take the patient to the hospital for further treatment. However, I have never seen such professionals at casinos in stand-by.

As far as I know the maximum casinos have are bodyguards equipped with first-aid packages to treat light injuries and some emergencies.

There's just a protociol in which the staffs of a casino would be following. In case of emergencies then protocols should include an urgent action with such instance. First aid would help indeed but still it would be better to put professionals in your casino ( for landbased ones). For sure casinos in such cases are having huge revenue already for them to not be prepared of unfortunate cases including health related one. All businesses should be ready with health related problems and other emergencies pehaps fire related, since it is their service which collects people in your casino in the first place.  

And going back with protocols  not all staffs are aware of the things to be done in such problem. Should they be knowledgeable of first aid? no, that's not their responsibility anymore. A casino should allot particular professionals for that.

Yes.. maybe it's a new assignment for casino establishments that they have defibrillators in case a visitor has a history of heart disease.

But this is also a warning for us not to go to the casino alone. We will never know what will happen to us next. Therefore it is important for us to always be vigilant, alert and always anticipate the possibilities that will occur.

Someone's selfish attitude and greed make them choose to go to the casino alone because they don't want to lose. Because if they get a victory they have to share it with their friends.

Yeah, if I'm not mistaken, the casino's that I have been, they have like complete set of health workers with heavy equipment ready in case that something went wrong in their casinos.

I personally witnessed it once and they are quick to response in such kind of emergencies and they don't like to have this kind of situations on their floor. And I was told that emergency health personnel are there 24x7 being paid by casinos. So not sure how this casinos are not prepared or at least look the machines to help their customers in such situations.

From that perspective, every public place should have someone who has an expertise in healthcare such as, restaurants, clubs, workplaces etc...
You never know one can get a cardiac arrest anytime. I don't mean to hurt anyone's feelings but this incident can happen to anyone at any time.
Yes, I agree with your point that certain healthcare measures should be taken by the casino such as a partnership with some nearby hospital or something.
So that in case of emergencies the nearby hospital can send their ambulance quickly and get things done sooner.

It's good if you're in a casino that can have a health worker because that would be needed if something bad happened to the gamblers. While casinos don't want anything bad to happen to them, they also know that anything can happen, so they feel it's better to be prepared just in case. And other casinos should be able to do the same thing to guard against all the bad possibilities that can happen.

After all, bad things like that don't happen too often in casinos either. Maybe there will be new regulations for casinos that will regulate that casinos must have health workers with first aid for victims.

Exactly, it was just too bad a timing or they didn't know the person was experiencing such case. As far as I know you won't open a casino if they aren't checked thoroughly by the corresponding agencies that handles it, they should abide with the health and safety protocols including first aid kits or they train personnels to do so.

Every business, particularly establishments such as casinos, must prioritize the safety of their customers. Having medical personnel on standby? Absolutely brilliant! I've constructed numerous businesses throughout my career, and I've always believed in over-preparation. Casinos, with their flashing lights, thrilling games, and sometimes intense atmospheres, can undoubtedly raise a person's blood pressure

While it is true that emergencies in casinos are not common, it is still prudent to be prepared. You wouldn't believe the tranquility it provides! And why don't other casinos contemplate this? They're lacking a key element

Yes, with all the entertainment in the casino, it can increase the tension, and of course, it will affect the health of someone who is playing gambling. So having medical personnel at the casino is necessary so that the casino can provide first aid to its victims and be taken to the hospital for further assistance. Having all the proper preparations can make the casino always ready for everything that can happen.

Indeed, in casinos, it is rare that things related to one's health happen, but there is nothing wrong if the casino can provide medical personnel every day and every hour. It will also give peace of mind to its members because they can see that the casino cares about all its members and those in the casino. And that will be a plus for the casino.

If the guy was sitting looking at the table for a minute, without moving, the dealer should've asked if he's ok. Imagine you work at a restaurant and one guy looks like he's asleep at the table. You want to wake him up and ask if he's ok, as you don't want him to vomit there, or fall down and cut his head. I've seen this happen when a drunk guy wasn't feeling too well at the pub and went to the bathroom probably to puke. He came out all dizzy and cut his forehead. There was a lot of blood and they had to call an ambulance.
We're not machines at work and we shouldn't act like ones. IMO it was the dealer's fault.

Cases of heart attack, as far as I know, have occurred more than once and almost casinos have experienced users such as health symptoms, that's almost the average casino or traditional gamblers like chicken gambling have ever happened to those who try to gamble at an advanced age, that's nothing new to my knowledge.
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However, for that overall the doctor or medical provided by the casino, I think it's a little contrary to medical law, they can only practice in legal places such as clinics, hospitals and those related to health, casinos/gambling venues I think most of them are illegal, it's a violation if a medical team is placed there, maybe if it's a medical call I think there is, of course they don't treat patients in the casino, they take them to the hospital if there is a health problem that happens in the casino.

If you ask who is at fault, of course the user is at fault, who told him to gamble, already knows he has a heart history, why does he keep going to the casino, he's looking for disease.

Yes, maybe because of his history of heart disease that made him a gambler, as we know that to treat this disease requires a lot of money and it costs a lot of money to treat this disease so maybe gamblers who have a history of this disease have reasons to play gambling in the casino, but in fact this is still an error and must be blamed, the casino cannot be blamed even so there must still be a first aid service.

Because we don't know about this incident happening in casinos even though it is very rare in any casino, but this can be prepared to prevent it from happening where people have a heart attack while gambling and can be taken immediately to the hospital using the casino's ambulance if there is one. to make it easier to solve such serious problems to be dealt with quickly.

Really, you blame the gambler?

Heart disease often occur when he's surprised or anxiety, I don't read where the gambler is losing all of his money, so gambling isn't the reason in this case. This is just unexpected, the gambler isn't wrong and the casino can't be blamed too.

If the gambler feel anxiety because he lose in gambling, he must know if gambling is only for fun.

I think there are also lots of cases of Cardiac Arrest especially if the weather is hot or the place/area is hot. Another cause of it is too much excitement which can be felt when we play gambling. If a casino can offer other promotions, then I believe they also have first aid kit.

It's one of the ways to show their support to their customer and customers will have a good impression with it, so they can come back again on this casino. If we know that we have a problem with our heart, it would be better to avoid things that can trigger it. Asking someone to bet for us, might still be a bad idea because it can still cause us to be emotional whatever the results are.

first of all, surely the dealer is to blame. Why wait all this time in front of a particular event? I find that really absurd...

second importante thing, the casino should set up company procedures for such cases and always provide proper education to its employees. Employer should follow always instructions while on work...

Do the dealer know that the man is having a cardiac arrest? I think not given the table still has players who are playing. I think that the victim didn't show signs of getting a cardiac arrest or ask for help. Personally, I will be bothered if my opponent in the table is having a cardiac arrest, I will personally the one who will go out of the table and ask the dealer to get help but yeah, we really don't know what actually happened.

Happenings like this are unexpected and I'm sure that the casino has their own clinnic or personel that is incharge of this kind of situation, I'm also positive that the dealer won't sacrifice his job by not helping the gambler.

To be fair determining that a cardiac arrest took place can be difficult for the untrained person, as people can literally drop dead without presenting any symptoms, so in an environment in which people get drunk all the time and they pass out while gambling then differentiating between those people and those having a heart attack can be difficult.

However some protocols should still be in place in order to try to prevent such events from happening and giving medical care as fast as possible to those people, and I think that is where the casino linked at the OP failed.

This is really a sad incident.  :(
I do not know who is right or wrong in this incident but the people who can't control their emotions and who feel a lot of tension about losing on gambling or being treated in a wrong way, they should not play gambling.

Gambling is made for those who have big hearts and strong minds and who are able to absorb the pressure of the game, the pressure of a loss. Gambling is not designed for weak-hearted persons.

I have seen people faint upon having lost in the casino but this story of a deceased person is a new one for me.

I think casinos aren't to blame here because its up to states/countries to define laws enforcing health clinics or doctors in casinos. I feel like crowded casinos must have doctors for sure if they are far away to any health facilities. Emergency issues like this one happen very rarely but its very deadly as well. Cardiac issues are very dangerous sadly it's sometimes about your luck. My relative once experienced same went to hospital lately but survived.

In offline casinos there'll be emergency medical services, none could've thought that he's suffering from Cardiac arrest. Human life is more important, and surely the dealer could've stopped the play and taken necessary measures. Now the blame shouldn't be on the dealer or the casino. Whenever we spend money we can experience the difference in our heartbeat. I don't know about others, but I personally experience difference and we only need to be responsible handling ourselves understanding gambling isn't meant for us.

This is happening a lot more than most people think. You have to remember something.... a lot of pensioners are gambling at these brick n mortar casinos and their health are poor. They sit for hours behind a Slot machine or at a gambling table under stressful circumstances and before you know it, something bad happens.

I have seen elderly people going to casinos in wheelchairs with oxygen masks packed in the back, because they are so addicted to gambling that not even their health conditions can keep them away.

I have even seen videos where gamblers urinate on their chair in front of the slots that they are playing..... not wanting to take a break to go to the toilet.  ::) ::) ::)

If the guy died in a bank, should the bank be blamed for his death? If the guy died in a Wallmart or Target store should Wallmart and Target be blamed for his death. What will happen, if all grocery stores, banks and offline casinos are required by the law to hire medics and buy medical equipment, just in case such thing happens? There won't be enough doctors and nurses to cover this growing demand.
This is the American judicial system, everyone is suing everyone for money. I don't blame the family of the guy, who died. They are just trying to take advantage of the system.

It seems that it also has to do with the laws governing gambling in the state/country because if it's written in the regulations that casinos must provide health clinics or have medical personnel, the casinos will provide them. But if not, the casino will not provide it either because the casino is a place to play gambling and everyone already understands that only those who are healthy may or are allowed to play gambling because there is a risk of getting a heart attack.

However, the casino should immediately provide medical personnel to prevent heart attacks or other illnesses that can occur when customers are gambling. After all, it will be an additional service for its customers and it may be one of the best casinos because it has medical personnel who are always ready to help people who need them.

What i may support with your suggestion here is the use of first aid box and kit in case of emergency conditions, gambling platforms or locations aren't an arena where we could turn to be an hospital and people begin to come up gambling and displaying their health challenges over there, if it were to be the sports organizations, this would have been more acceptable because they are responsible for the welfare of their players they make use of in playing sports, but for casinos, theirs is to gambling and create an enabling environment for you to gamble and not to make an additional offer on any gamblers health challenges, but in case of the first aid emergency cases, such could be encouraged only.

Why would they blame the casino? Just imagine a person got sick and died from excessive alcohol addiction, does that makes the alcohol companies be liable for their deaths? No. We are all responsible for our actions and the choices we make. And deaths are inevitable, it may happen anytime and anywhere so they can't always blame it on others.

But I get the point that establishments, especially those who always deal with a lot of people in their business operation should always be ready for emergencies. Emergency tools and equipments are necessary, as well as staff who knows how to do first aid. And I think it's required to every businesses.

The deceased family are probably looking for a way to squeeze some money out of the casino. A lot of things could trigger cardiac arrest and it is not something that's written on the forehead, so how is the casino supposed to know the health condition of a player? If one of the requirements for setting up a casino is having a sick bay and employing the services of a professional first aider and if it could prove that it has a functional sick bay and they did all the could to help the deceased, then they might actually to win the case.

It's so bad when tragic events like this occurs and some persons try to use it for their own personal gains. The dead is dead, move on with your life, except it is the case of negligence from the casino.

This may sound absurd but for me I guess  offering services like private transportation to medical facilities can be a thoughtful touch that shows a casino's commitment to customer care. It's important for casinos to create an environment where customers feel both safe and supported in case unexpected health issues arise. Like this given as a merit or a reward for bonuses.

Balancing the fun and excitement of a casino with a responsible approach to customer well-being is a crucial aspect of maintaining a positive reputation and ensuring that visitors have a positive experience.

If the casino can provide treatment such as taking the person to the hospital, that will be an added value to the casino. Many people will see that the casino cares about the user who gambles at his place and helps him by taking him to the hospital when he is sick. And this should not only be for people with heart disease but also for others who may be experiencing other illnesses. This should be a special concern of all casinos because no one knows who will be the next patient while gambling. Medical personnel can be from security officers but that is very rare because their skills are clearly different. The important thing is that the casino can pay attention to this problem to become a recommended place for people who want to gamble.

Perhaps it’s also possible seeing casinos with medical health professionals but it may only be possible for big and reputable casinos since a lot of tourists people will definitely visit them. However, they should still not be blamed if there are any incidents like cardiac arrest and did not survive because first and foremost, players should always be responsible enough not to take some risks especially for those who have serious heart concerns as they may or may not survive when that happens.

If the casino is not required to have some kind of medical services or first aid to take care of immediate health challenges then it might be free but if it is mandatory like I know there are laws to provide such services where people gather or work incase of such emergency and the casino is found wanting then it will be a problem for them. Worse of it is the negligence on the part of the casino for not at least support a dying customer but was only interested in serving cards and continuing business.

This kind of accident is obviously unpredictable and may happen anywhere.  It may happen in restaurant, hotel, airport, even in religious places such as mosque and church. We cant blame the owner of the places where such an accident happened. But the suggestion for casino to provide health emergencies staff is good enough, I support this suggestion. I would even suggest, all public places should have such a health emergencies.

The permit to operate a casino is of course also accompanied by what things they must provide, such as a building or mall that must have an evacuation route when there is a disaster such as a fire and other things that are clear, so if the casino is not required to have first aid then they are not are required to fulfill them, and it's no secret that a business will comply more with the rules they must comply with than providing more things even though it is not an obligation.
Casinos are a place to get entertainment, What they have to do is at least train their staff to be able to provide assistance when there are certain cases or collaborate with one of the nearest hospitals for first aid, but if that is not an obligation then the casino cannot be blamed, that's in my opinion.

I personally have never visited in major offline casino, so I do not have an idea or any personal experience on how prepared they are for unpredicted emergencies most especially in the health area, but then I agree with you, the casino is a place where people go to, spend much time sitting or moving around, some addicted gamblers can stay in the casino from morning till the evening, so I personally consider it common sense for such a business to have some medical stuffs, like a first aid box and possibly a medical staff on standby,  just in case something comes up that has to do with health, yeah, health issues is something that does not happen frequently in gambling areas like in the casino, but then, it's not foolish for the casino to prepare for such emergencies as no one can tell when or where such a thing might happen.

You are absolutely right that before a person visits a casino, he should make sure that he does not have any serious heart problems and can also control himself with whatever will happen to him during and after gambling. Casinos cannot always help someone with a serious illness, even though that is the job of the casino because that person comes to visit his place to play gambling but the person himself must ensure that he visits the casino in good health.

If each person and casino can carry out their duties and obligations well, everything will be fine. People with serious heart problems will also not get heart problems because they always ensure they are in a fit condition for gambling.

Well, it's about laws and regulations in the end... here in Serbia, many companies have mandatory First Aid training. I have that every year once or twice, but it's just the first aid, that first reaction can save someone's life... but sometimes even the speed can't help. If anyone is destined to leave, that's it.

Having a full medical team ready for health emergencies is a big bonus wherever they are. But it's on the government to make some rules about it, and then casinos and all other big resorts will have it. When they earn millions they should be able to spend some money on this as well.

This should be the requirements to meet before launching a casino especially offline and depending on the size because some are very large as a mega station or office while some are sub offices. So those that big should have the emergency care unit that could take care of such need before the person is taken to hospital for proper medication. Regulation and rules should be in the jurisdiction of the government, they are the one to ensure there is legal backing before casinos will comply but if there are non, then it will be business as usual and someone likely to survive if emergency care was given could die on the spot while trying to bet or viewing results of his bet because his heart pumped from the results he saw .

Casinos are better prepared for health emergencies because many people can get sick while gambling and they will get care quickly. But it will take a long time for casinos to implement it, where there is legal support and no other casino has taken such a step. An emergency is a situation that poses an immediate risk to health life property or the environment most emergencies require quick intervention to prevent damage. Although in some situations it may not be possible to prevent the damage, the latter only provides palliative services. Some emergencies may not be an immediate threat to human life if a doctor is employed but if the condition persists, it may harm the health and well-being of one or more persons.

Your scenario is quite strange because, in this case, the casino has no hand in his death, not as if he was intoxicated by the game or something, because that's not even possible. It's simple: they can just run some autopsy examinations to find out the actual cause of his death, and the casino would not even face any penalty because they did not cause his death; they did not give him anything to drink, like alcohol, as you said. Casinos are places to catch fun, and it's assumed he went there to catch fun, but something terrible happened and he died. No one is to blame.

If a person goes to a casino for gambling, gets a severe medical condition suffers for about 10 minutes, and then dies, the blame might not be on the casino for his death but his life could have been saved if the casino had a medical staff available every time or at least have an ambulance or a truck that could be used to take the patient to the nearest hospital as soon as his condition starts getting worse so that he can be saved and the public can say that casino has played its role.

It's obviously not their job to do that but if they do that, it will be a plus point for their services. If they can serve drinks and food and every other thing within the casino to earn some extra money, they should obviously take care of such serious matters as well and have preparations for such situations.

I think those are precisely the misgiving of the family members of the dead, besides depending where you live regulations can be more or less strict, as there are places where if you witness a crime or an accident you are mandated by law to report it and if you do not then you are committing a crime.

And since the person suffered a cardiac arrest on their installations and they took too long to report it the casino may liable to pay the family some money as a form of restitution.

And he should have known that casinos do serve alcohol but he had to control himself if he wanted to drink alcohol. He may drink the alcohol but must be limited to avoid exceeding the limit. And if he experiences something, it's better if the casino has or provides a first aid kit for the patient so he can survive and be taken to the hospital. Maybe after that incident, the casino will apply for a health certificate from a personal doctor or general practitioner so that no similar incident can occur in the future. Casinos that don't yet have first aid kits are starting to be required to provide them so that patients can be helped and it's too late to treat them.

Both were wrong, the victim shouldn't go somewhere else where his family can't watch him when he's aware that when he's attacked by his sickness, no one will be able to help and watch him out. And when the guy was attacked by that disease, the dealer just continued to do his thing? Where's the humanity and being concerned on that part? Yes, the show(job) must go on but how can that dealer attained to just see it around when the guy was being attacked and it's obvious by that time that he's struggling, right? Instead of calling for help, yet he continued to deal.

It depends on the kind of health condition that is involved in this kind of condition, you can't expect someone who is having a critical health condition to go out in the first place to gamble, and for those in the category of a manageable conditions, if the situation worsen when they go out, they would rather be transferred to the hospital than being taken care of in the casino, casino is not a place we should expect health treatment because it will require professionalism to attend to a patient when the medical practitioners are not present.

It is part of the sensitiveness one can observe in big cities and in this part of the world.
There are several reasons the casino worker may not feel prompted to help the man, he could have thought he was drunk or under the effect of those drugs people may consume when engage in gambling, instead suffering a cardiac arrest. Even if he was not sure what was going on, there are casinos and businesses in general in the United States which are very tight when comes to efficiency and work time of their employees, we could argue there is a chance that guy was under pressure to keep his job and chose not to interrupt his shift, for the sake of not making things more difficult in the eyes of his boss.

Ironically, because all this situation ended up with a lawsuit, it could have completely backfire on the casino and that particular employee.  :(

That's like limiting the life of the person and I'm not for it. There are better ways to handle this and that's not restricting the person to do as he pleases. It should be common knowledge that huge establishments have at least 1 onsite doctor and nurses available any time that are ready for these emergencies. Unfortunately, it's not the medical professionals that made the ultimate mistake, but the dealer who didn't even bat an eye on the man lying awkwardly by the table.

If I'm not mistaken most physical casinos do have their respective medical staff on their premises.

I believe it's already standard and mandatory for physical casinos to have medical teams that can be deployed right away in case of an emergency inside the casino hall. Part of having a license to operate is to have the same for other establishments. It's like a standard protocol for any establishment regardless of the business type, genre, and industry.

About the question if casinos can be blamed for that unfortunate incident, no. They didn't force the person in the first place.

Why stop at just the dealer? How about the other players sitting at the table. Surely they’re wrong too as they all sat with the man at the table and equally failed to notice that he had died.
I don’t think the dealer noticed the man was in any trouble. If it was noticed, I bet it would have been taken care of a lot faster and the man would have received some sort of first aid on-site and later taken to a hospital. It’s simply bad for business to be inattentive and allow such tragedy occur in the business premises that could have be easily prevented. No fault lies with the dealer in my opinion.

No one wants to have a heart attack in the middle of an activity, and no one knows when someone will have a heart attack. But each person's humanity and concern indeed determine the next step. And when no one cares about the incident, that person can die, and no one can help him.

We just hope this case will not happen again in any casino so that no victims are helped too late because there was no preparation. Perhaps the casino needs to inform all its customers that anyone who wants to play gambling must ensure their health first because of this incident. And this requires cooperation between all parties.

As far as I can tell, there is no standard institution that doesn't have first aid, but some incidents are so sudden that if medical attention is not available, the person can just quickly pass on. In essence, first aid cannot solve some health emergencies, and I am sure that the casino where that man died had first aid, but just because his case was critical (my assumptions), heart cases are usually critical to the extent that the cardiologist usually advises the patient to make sure that they stay around their loved, so that any time they are having symptoms, their medications can be quickly administered to them.

I am sure that the victim knows his own health condition. And that's why if there were incidents of a sudden attack on him then he shouldn't go elsewhere or if he's going, he should be accompanied by any of his relatives or someone he knows to assist him. Professionalism can be set aside when someone's deteriorating.

That's the sad part about that, the employee is just doing his job but a bit of compassion and concern during that time can be taken into action. Like calling some guards to assess the situation and if immediate help is in need. It's just like one call away and let the rescue being done by those staff that he called and continue the dealing task he's asigned.

Yeah, that could still be boggling his mind until now. And thinking of the ifs during that situation but what's done is done, and feeling concern for the customer is a must in any customer-facing business and even not, so in general, in any business.

You don't have to stop the dealer, it should be the initiative of the dealer to at least get some call and help from guards or other staff that can assist him in that situation. Yeah, other players can also do that but they have no accountability as they're on their own. But as an employee, we all know that they take into account customers' experiences and concerns. And it's not just about it, it's about humanity and compassion but seems it's not there during that time.

Those casinos that have seen this news or following strict protocol from the government have for sure medics on the side. Whilst we really don't know when heart attack will happen, the customer himself knows his condition and should have been neutral and mild on himself before going to such places. That's why for me, both were wrong.

No one noticed the man until it was too late and he was already gone. I’m pretty sure that if someone did, he would have been taken care of and wouldn’t have died. No one, including the dealer should have to babysit anyone as casinos expect their customers to come in healthy enough to spend their money.
Agreed, as an employee, he may have an obligation to make the customer have a good experience but again, no one quickly noticed the man had a problem. I’m sure the dealer would have called for some sort of medical help onsite before being rushed to a hospital. No one is at fault here.

For years, when I watch soccer in my country on one of the TV channels, when there are games involving big league teams, commentators have said the following: this is a game that is not recommended for people with heart problems to watch. I confess that I always thought they were playing some kind of joke, but after some time I realized that it was something serious, people with mental and physical health problems such as depression, heart problems and tension and anxiety should not get involved with gambling and physical and online casinos should have some type of disclaimer

and total ban on people who have heart and tension problems, these people should not be allowed to play, but unfortunately many people who are in this condition are stubborn and will play because they know that the casino has no way of finding out their health condition So we can't blame any casino, at the end of the day it's all people's responsibility, people are adults and know what they're doing. If someone puts their health at risk because they want to gamble, then that person also needs mental treatment, because they are not well psychologically.

It's possible that the casino didn't provide first aid or because they were all panicking and didn't think about helping the person so they couldn't be helped and were taken to hospital. With this incident, it is hoped that every agency, company or casino can provide first aid. It would be even better to have medical personnel so that if something happens to a customer, they can treat it quickly and take them to the hospital. But in the case of a heart attack, no one can predict it and no one knows when a heart attack will strike someone. We can only get ready and hopefully, there will be no similar incidents in the future.

It's not about baby sitting or whatnot, you're in a business and your top priority is the concerns of your customers. I don't know why you guys are disregarding the customer service on this fact. Whether they're a casino or just a typical business, they have to take care and be watchful with their customers. It's about giving the best service and approach to them. Yes, they're a casino but just like that we're having on online casinos, we're being taken care of by most of them. As for the dealer not noticing it quickly, when there's something odd since it's a face-to-face game, it should have been noticed easily.

Yeah, it's not a bad idea that a standard organization (a casino) should have some medical personnel, but for any organization that doesn't have any, during emergencies, they usually call the emergency line, which gives a quick response too. Although after reading the quote, if that was true, then I would say the employees at that casino is at fault.

Normally, this kind of stuff could happen in different places, like a school, hotel, or restaurant but immediate attention is being given to such case. There is one restaurant I heard about that was shot down because a customer died while he was eating there.

We as a human should care with the other even though we don't have any relationship or something else with them. Even we're have a skill that not related with human care or any other basic skill, we must learn about it.

Too bad for the owner who own the restaurant because it was caused by his staff who's not act fast when the customer is under health emergency needs. Maybe the casino is also shut down due to this case?

I do think that every establishment should at least be prepared in dealing with all kinds of emergency issues. The staff must be properly equipped with all the basic first-aid skills/techniques in order to at least support anyone who is in need of help.

While this may be true, I somehow disagree that the casino should be blamed of this incident. Remember that any person, of legal age, can enter the casino premises. They are not required to disclose any underlying health issues that may affect their health. At most, only basic first-aid kits can be administered at the patient on this kind of level.

Although a casino or venue or organization must have several medical personnel, if they are not responsive to the situation, it can also delay getting the patient to the hospital or providing first aid.

Maybe the employee didn't know the standard health procedures in the casino so he was late in providing help. But we hope that nothing like that happens again and if there are casinos or other places that don't provide first aid, they can do so immediately so that if something like that happens, they can immediately act to help him and take him to the hospital. And this is a lesson for other casinos to really pay attention to this problem and not let it happen in their place.

The existence of regulations for providing medical or quick assistance at casinos is indeed good and wise, not only does it focus on money, service also needs to be anticipated. After all, casinos are never empty of visitors with money flowing in, but not all countries enforce this kind of thing. Hopefully there will be a good caring response

If the government requires it before giving permits to run the business, for sure they will acquire it but it looks like it was not so this will be optional to them. But I'm sure they are also prepared in the case that there are emergencies whether it is for health issues or not. Might their personnel can't handle first aid but they can give us assistance if needed. But I could agree that they will have to create a team specific to such a thing as it needs training and expertise as well.

The lawsuit isn't contending the casino caused death. The lawsuit is alleging the casino is negligent in not providing medical care and allowing a player in medical duress to be delayed potentially life saving treatment. They don't actually need to cause the death in order to be civilly liable. A negligence standard for lawsuits is quite low, meaning if this was sent through the court systems the casino could be found liable regardless of how he died. In this case, the casino is a proxy for the dealer. The dealer is the one who is negligent, but they sued the casino because they have the big bucks to pay out

Anyways, I'm not sure what the exact laws would be in play for the casino to be liable here nor what the outcome of this case was, but the case seems nonsensical. Plenty of people pass out in casinos. Why would this dealer have any reason to know he was experiencing a medical emergency?

They are a business and this is a protocol when there's a customer facing interaction. They have to be present at most times and I think that their government is requiring them to have that.

Yeah, not all prolly are enforcing this but on the business side, just think of it as something needed everytime they're on their operating hours which is 24/7 for the majority of them.

It's like a water that should always be preseved and on the side.

Health emergency is very important, but we are the ones being expected to always make provisions for anything of such, knowing that someone have a little or minor health challenge, we should try to make sure that we are always responsible for our health challenges and plan ahead before something ugly happens to us and we are left with no choice than facing the consequences, so we shouldn't expect casinos to do what we should engage doing, instead we are the ones responsible for our health and not the casinos to plan ahead for us.

Physical casinos should really have an emergency kit and someone on standby that knows how to do proper first aid for people who will experience health concerns. Although it's not really mandatory for every establishment to have a medical personnel, I guess, but it's much better to have one just in case this scenario happens, especially casinos involve a risky decision that could make the emotions go rollercoaster causing sudden collapse and panic attacks.

It's just so unfortunate that the dealer didn't notice it easily. I bet if he knew, he would have called 911 immediately since cardiac arrest is a serious health condition that needs to be attended to ASAP. Perhaps they were oblivious since they were too engrossed and focused on the game. Somehow, the casino plays a fault on the death since they weren't able to notice and give first aid then call the emergency hotline. Hopefully, next time they will do better such as be more wary of the surroundings and the players behaviour so this won't happen again.

Agreed, the casino is not a health management center for players, although they always have some staff ready to give first aid but above all, players should also be health conscious because almost all casinos that work under the law, they always check the age of the players and when the players are of legal age, they are responsible for their decisions. But to be honest, very few players listen to these problems, some people do not have cardiovascular and emotional diseases but with the pressure from gambling, these diseases are actually born.

Exactly what I am beginning to think, because the casino employees attended to the man sixteen minutes late after he slumped and also used the defibrillator four minutes later, just shows there was no medical personnel available at that moment and also how unprofessional those staffs were, although if the casino had had some professional medical staff, they might have been able to save the man (I guess).



Yeah, that's right. I just later read the whole story and saw their negligence, which is very unprofessional. Perhaps the twenty minutes that were wasted might have been enough to save the man.



Yeah, you are right.

I think it is also important that casinos as well as their staff will be ready for this kind of unexpected occurences. If they don't have medic prepared, they should have their staff trained in at least the basics in case this happens.
Of course, the casino shouldn't be blamed alone because who knows, that gambler might be overplaying and spending long hours in betting. It would be better if they were ready so at least people would see that they did something to help their players during unexpected situations like this.

As far as I know, they have this emergency staff 24x7 to help their customers in this kind if situations. I have seen some of them in physical casinos for emergencies and they are all competent to be a medical personnel. But as we have said, you can't control it, if it happens and they do the best they can and yet their customer succumb for whatever reasons, it's not the fault of the casinos.


Yes, the dealer might not be notice it easily as for sure he is not to train to spot them. Of course, we wouldn't want to witnessed someone die on the table. But as I have said, if it's your time, then it's your time.

Yes, at least they have to prepare emergency and special medical supplies or when there are customers who are affected, for example, they have to be socialized quickly at the hospital. If there are no such regulations, the point is that business people who founded casinos and hospitals must be prepared. customers will be comfortable with something similar

This makes the casino seem even more ruthless than a prison when it comes to medical issues. Some individuals are aware of their limits when it comes to gambling at a casino, but others may not realize that sudden illnesses can strike anyone, endangering their well-being. Even in the best of circumstances, we can be threatened by sudden heart attacks or respiratory distress.

What would be preferable is for the casino to provide emergency healthcare facilities for its visitors. Additionally, visitors should be adequately informed about matters pertaining to their personal health. There's nothing wrong with fostering a sense of humanity within the casino, especially when it concerns someone's life and death.

Unexpected things often happen without us realizing it, but in this context I agree with your opinion that if we have a health problem then it is better for us not to visit a casino before we have completely recovered from the disease we are experiencing. Well, basically the casino owner only provides basic equipment just in case a visitor experiences something bad like a heart attack.

But behind that, everything that happens to casino visitors, such as dying in the casino or having a sudden heart attack, is of course not the casino owner's fault. And the casino owner cannot be sued because they only provide a fair game and get a license from the government so the victims will not win if they sue the casino owner.

I dont see for them to be blamed on the incident knowing that health issues cant really be known but its not really that bad on having that kind of suggestion on having that first aid or health personnel's that would really be

on the vicinity or the said venue on which if these cases do happen then there would really be that immediate support somehow but knowing that cardiac arrest is something a serious condition or situation
then it would be still somewhat pointless. I dont see for the casino to get blamed and to those who had been left by the victim doesnt have the rights on claiming about those money unless if those arent spent or
speaking about winnings then they do have the rights but asking about loss back then it cant be possible.

But for the suggestion on having some health personnel then it wont really be that a bad add up knowing that situations like this could really happen.

Sixteen minutes is precious for the patient because it could save his life and he can still be helped and taken to the hospital. I once watched a video about medicine where there was a patient who also had a heart attack and someone who worked as a doctor immediately took the necessary action to help the patient. After everything was finished, the doctor said to the visitors at the place that for them to help the patient, it had to be done as soon as possible. It couldn't be too late because if they only had a few minutes to help the patient, they had to be able to use it well so that the patient could be helped.

And if the casino had professional media personnel, they could still have saved him and taken him to the hospital. Well, everything has happened and this is a valuable lesson for casinos so that they can immediately provide professional medical personnel who are expected to be able to help patients.

That is a crazy story and the casino definitely has to accept some blame. When there is a dealer sitting right in opposite of you and you are having a medical emergency, he should be helping you. It's one thing not to immediately nothing if something is wrong, but for a person to not move for 15 minutes is a long time during quick games like Black Jack. I would have expected the dealers to be trained to spot such issues, also usually people sitting down at the table are playing. It's not like you can sit down at the table and take a nap. It's true that there are a lot of crazy people in Las Vegas, I have seen so many drunk people in the casino where I would think that security should come and ask them to go to their room to sleep it off. Mostly the people I have seen in front of the slot machines where there is not a lot of casino employees working. Having such a tragedy take place at a blackjack table seems wrong that it wasn't noticed earlier. Just because casinos are places for entertainment doesn't mean there can’t be medical emergencies and it's all about getting help in the first 10 minutes to help the patient.

You are right, I feel sorry for this man, may his soul rest in peace, but the deceased is also to be blame too, because health issues don't just pop up instantly, they show signs of early stages, funny enough this man might be aware of what's happening in his body yet he choose to go inside a casino to gamble, some people don't care about their health like they care about making money and their jobs.

I can't also blame those siting next to the man when the problem occurred, they might not have the potential to do anything, skills are different and not everyone knows what to do when someone has an attack.

My country situation in this aspect is even more concerning, people here always stay away from problem by all means, if someone is dying on the street they won't want to help, why? Once you help the person you are in trouble, you will probably end in the police station if that person died, your name and information will be taken from you, you could also be the one paying all the bills on this person, or you can be framed as the one responsible for taking the persons life.

And that is why I think the casino will end up paying money to the family of the deceased as they do in fact hold some blame, we must not forget that casinos are the place where you will find on average the most cameras around the world and a great deal of those cameras are on the tables.

So it is not as if they have the excuse that this happened at the bathroom where no a single member of the staff could watch this person being unconscious for such a long period of time before calling emergencies.

There's a negligence because they didn't check immediately on this gambler's condition and continued as if nothing happened. It's possible that they didn't notice, but there's a security cameras so why they missed? That's why it's not surprising for the family to blame the casino for this incident.

Anyway, the gambler had a cardiac arrest and it's not an easy condition wherein an emergency kit can handle. But if only they're fast to react and immediately take him to a hospital for a proper medication, the family might accept what happened (even it's the worst) and won't file a lawsuit against the casino.

I read it slowly, even though I didn’t complete it, but what I understand is that when this happens, the person stays in the casino  ignores the man when the thing happens, and that is when the heart attack gets stronger. Instead of him taking him to the nearest hospital, he leaves and continues what he is doing, which, even though he is not the one to blame, they will do because that is not what he is supposed to do and they will say he is responsible for it, which will get him into trouble at the end of the day.


It will be good if casinos have a first aid box, but specifically talking about what I see in your link, this is heart attack, and even if the casino has this first aid kit, they can’t manage this problem at that time because we know how serious heart attack is, and they will not get anything that will help the person at that time because heart attack is supposed to be taken care of by a professional doctor, not a casino first aid kit, despite the fact that it is a very serious issue for human health.

However, we don’t need to blame the casino, in my opinion. The only thing that this casino did wrong was ignore the man and leave him there. That is where they will need him in this discussion. Because the casino is where you wish to go, nobody called you to come and bet. Just as if you want to go and buy something and on your way there you have an accident, will you blame the person owning the shop? Nah, mate, you will not, as he didn’t call you there. So I think the same thing is applicable to this one too.

Because it's a rare occurrence should have triggered a fast attention to the man, its possible their thoughts wasn't related to health issue. I didn't read the article, but if the man was drunk or was offered some drinks. How will the dealer know, he is having cardiac arrest? Maybe they'll think he's dozed off, due to high intake of substances and felt it could be just sleep or fatique. Nobody takes death as a joke, the responsibility is not for the casino alone. Assuming people in the casino knew what the man was passing through, it's an obligation to anyone to call the ambulance, if the casino doesn't. Such things can lead to the establishment of medical kits in the casino. Before such medical problems happened maybe it's their first time experiencing this, the casino may not have prepared for the unexpected break down of the man. Therefore may not have made provisions for that. However, it's encouraging to see a casino that is ready to meet the needs of their customers. Not only offering them drinks, but pay attention to the health conditions of their players. 

Although I agree that physical casinos should have their medical practitioner on duty so that if there’s heath problems that suddenly occur, then the patient will receive immediate medication. However, putting the casino at fault is probably less reasonable. The gambler should be more responsible of his health condition more than the casino. If he thinks consistent gambling will definitely trigger his condition, then he should be responsible enough not to engage in physical casinos but prefer to just do it online. At least his family can immediately cater to his health needs.

If a casino has a staff that can give first aid to anyone who happens to go through a medical condition or an emergency that is enough, in my opinion. They obviously can't open a hospital branch within the casino and the patient will need to be shifted to a hospital if the problem is severe and isn't controllable through the initial first aid. The staff should be quick with such matters by calling an ambulance and sending the patient to the hospital for treatment.

Casinos also need to make sure that things like these are handled with care so that the environment doesn't get disturbed and there isn't chaos within the casino which will obviously take the fun away for other gamblers that are there maybe to have a beer and make a few bets after work or something.

Of course, nobody anticipates a casino turning into a mini hospital. But the real issue is more complicated than just bandages and cleaning supplies. A medical emergency among the slot machines isn't just about the frightened person; it's also a management litmus test for the casino as a whole. Both card shuffling and emergency protocol shuffling demand dexterity

Now, remaining composed in the face of a crisis is expected. But isn't that odd? Paradoxically, the very organization that thrives on high stakes and risky situations must show composure and predictability under pressure. The irony, ah! Imagine a gentleman playing blackjack while sipping a martini when suddenly someone passes out. The atmosphere of the evening can be created by an orchestra of mayhem or by a skillfully orchestrated response

Health is wealth as they say so yeah. Prevention is also better than care so indeed that it should start with us first. The people or the establishments around us are only a secondary, just in case the issue still occur. It's easy to have a basic health/medical remedy and equipment for it eg. medicine are not that expensive so almost any person or establishments has it. If it's not enough, I'm sure they also have cell phones or land lines, which they can use to call the nearest ambulance.

I don't think they can take it to just watch and not respond when someone had collapsed or almost dying, and they can also be blamed for it if they do, so we can expect that they will do the right thing when those bad situations happened.

Well, I also believe that there are a lot of people in the gambling hall, so,,, nobody will keep quiet when someone is dying, and overlook the victim before he dies. That means all the people in the gaming center should be held responsible because they saw it coming and they kept quiet, but if they didn't and they tried their best, still the victim passed away, which means nobody is responsible. Besides, I believe the victim already knew about his health issue before he still went ahead and gambled till death. Moreover, outside first AID treatment and all the rest, a CCTV camera is supposed to be in a gambling hall so, in case of anything, they can easily investigate and know what caused it instead of asking around what happened, because a lot of people that witness what happened there will tell lies.

Well, if the family of the victim wants money, the director of the casino should just give the little he can afford just for trouble not to come, besides, the casino center is given them money and if government close down the casino, they will not get any gains again.

If you do find yourself on having some problems when it comes to health related then why would really be making yourself that getting involved with it since you know that gambling thing could generate out that potential impulsive kind of approach when it comes to winning or losing event on which emotion would really be at its peak.If you do have that hearth issues or whatever that correlates with this thing then you should really be avoiding things which would really be able to trigger out that health condition and its true that you are the ones who do know about your body and it would really be just that normal that you should really be that mindful about those things which it would be putting up your life at danger. Casino platforms or businesses are really just that ran off on providing that entertainment and it isnt something that you could expect that there would really be some clinic inside to cater out with those gamblers who do have some health issue or some attacks on the moment that they do play on the vicinity.This is why i dont really see that they should really be blamed because they dont know if a particular person does have some health issues in the first place on the time that they had entered the venue which they arent held accountable on what happened.

Do they have paramedics that can actually subdue the actions on cardiac arrest?? I've not heard anyone survive from its peculiar attack before - are there means for that now??... maybe I'll have to look up.
Yeahhh, it's also important and I believe we had a similar topic few months ago and people also speculated the same thing too... Atleast a standby paramedics or maybe an ambulance can possibly curb the situation buh, this isn't rampant anyways...

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Well, a person who has health problems, because depending on the type of problems, it is not advisable for them to be in a cano, obviously in a casino there should be at least a small pantry of emergency medicines, because it is obvious that it can sometimes give a headache or something like that, but of course a person who, for example, suffers from tension or something like that, well, emotions can make their tension go up or down and that is difficult, because a person who suffers from tension will get them. They can make that happen and it is dangerous, not only because it is wrong but because heart attacks can occur, perhaps that is why the question is whether in casinos there is at least a little despite it, because it is always necessary to stay in a place where They can give you at least first aid and prevent something bad and ugly from happening, then in this order of things things can happen as a preventive measure, and the truth is I have never asked myself that, in fact something like this should exist for the emergencies, at least before an ambulance arrives or something like that, so that a person can be treated then in this order of things in every casino there should be a paramedic or a nurse who can tend to a person in the middle of an emergency, because It is true, with a blood pressure monitor, with devices to measure blood sugar to avoid strokes, especially in older people when they are going to play and they are the ones who are most likely to suffer from these things. Of course, currently many young people can also suffer from the strain.

I say that it can be tension because it is a very common problem that can be increased due to a person's symptoms, it is not for anything else, however I can think that any person could also get some fever, or feel bad, and can The idea is to give him immediate attention so that when he gets to the hospital or something like that, it will be easier, because the temptations will always be there and we don't know when we might suddenly get sick.

Maybe they want to experience and gain experience from gambling, which is normal for them. But they don't predict what will happen while gambling because they can experience surprising events that can shock them. They won't know what kind of incident will happen to them, so it's best if people with a history of serious illnesses like heart disease don't need to go to casinos to gamble. We don't know whether they will be fine while gambling or whether they will have a heart attack like that person experienced.

But casinos do need to provide medical personnel at their place of business so that if there are things like that, they can handle them immediately and it's not too late. This will be very helpful for patients even though the casino will not allow them to come to its casino if it knows they have a history of certain diseases. Casinos also will not check their customers one by one before they enter the casino because that will create long queues and make customers uncomfortable. It is best for everyone who wants to go to the casino to ensure their health first so that nothing like that happens again.

The experiences of every single person may vary, but in my experience a big hotel always has some medical staff on their installations in the case anything happened, this way by providing medical treatment as fast as possible they can improve the chances of survival in the case a medical emergency happened.

The casino in question is a luxury resort with more than 2000 rooms, so most likely they had medical staff which could have helped this person, and yet precious minutes were wasted as no one realized what was going on.