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Hello dear Bitcoin Talk;

I opened an account just to tell all the world how Stake.com scammed me and has Casino Guru in this. I am known inside the gambling community since many years; ( crypto most ) such that even Rollbit.com invited me with no deposit 3330 USD bonus, which Stake.com provided them probably. But as you can imagine I am / was a high roller. Years later im in debt to loan sharks, down in rock bottom but still believe in the digital gold and trying to turn my life back. Anyways nice meeting you all and going back to the topic;

I am and was a degenerate gambler for many years; met with Stake.com, and that was my game to play. I owned a SINGLE KYC-D ( Level 2 with ID) account at the time of writing which was named : tetaeridanus.

I occasionally excluded myself for 24 hours and then went back on gambling hence the addiction of gambling. Stake.com support and also my VIP Host knew my gambling addiction to depths. Anyways on 20 November 2022 ,after the self exclusion from casino games' cooldown ended; as normal procedure Stake Support mailed me to ask if I want to continue self exclusion and how long; I replied them as: PERMANENTLY. Then I got a confirmation mail that said I will be permanently banned from playing casino games on Stake.com. That was it ; I was free from gambling for months knowing I can only bet on sports now and won't be able to play scam Stake.com originals.

Months past and I said ; lemme deposit 30-40K on Stake.com and bet on sports; I saw that they limited my betting limits; so I betted 20K on few matches and had 20K balance; and was tilted; so I went on and tried if casino games are working because it was always a go to when I lost my sports bets. I went to stake originals blackjack and tried a small bet; guess what happened; blackjack was working ; I binged a degenerate run and lost all of my 22K balance in 3 minutes. I was devastated and I couldn't understand what happened. I knew I would lose that money because I am an addict and I couldn't stop myself. That's why I asked exclusion from casino games permanently; which stake.com offers to its customers and by the licensing law they should abide it.

I opened a thread on casino guru however stake.com responded as new accounts were created after tetaeridanus and bla bla bla bla. Never responded to this claim and even said exclusion was reversable by the customer. Which is a load of bullshit; I never mailed them to unexlcude myself not even on asked on live support. I went on live support and my vip host and asked for assistance; they closed my account permanently.

I want my hard earned 18-22K back; I want you forum to help your fellow dude maybe get to Eddie to make things right. I am deep neck in debt to loan sharks and banks. I don't want Stake.com to cover up this like nothing. In my Bet History and Email you can see easily how I was not supposed to play Blackjack at the time of the loss.

I hope I found the true place to help me.

Proof:

Confirmation Mail;
https://imgur.com/k6pTThE

Bet Archive and Account Proof:

https://imgur.com/HWhc2Fg
https://imgur.com/FPxsJEp
https://imgur.com/rp0hMwG
https://imgur.com/Enedy4n
https://imgur.com/YnCOLXI



I hope you all are having a good one.

Tetaeridanus.


Edit: Quotation

To be honest, it doesn't look good. Admitting that you are a degenerate gambler and that you owe money to sharks before accusing a reputable forum casino doesn't help your case. Degenerate gamblers lie everywhere, and we have a recent case on the forum.


Same. Self-control problems. Doesn't look good.


You know very well that you should have asked for self-exclusion for sports as well.


If it is so clear to you that they have broken the law, hire a lawyer and report them. With the amount of money you manage to bet, you can certainly hire one.

Sorry to read this story, gambling addiction is a very serious matter these days.

Anyway, if they confirmed you are permanently banned from the casino you should not be able to play these games, under no circumstance.

For this you are right, they violated their own policy about responsible gambling. What you can do about it, I don't know. We have seen this story a lot lately, also with other sites. On many of these cases though the OP often seemed like wanting to freeroll the casino, knowingly playing and if they lose they will try to claim their money back.

That's your main problem here.

I mean you can prove that you self excluded permanently and they confirmed it, in a court this will be a clear cut case I think. But taking it to a court is a different story as this would drag forever.

Do you have the link of the case with casino guru ? They can't claim "exclusion was reversable by the customer" since their email with the confirmation states "please not that this restriction cannot be removed anymore".

Hello sir,

Thank you for understanding and a reasonable reply. The problem is this is not any other site but Stake.com. The problem is I never freerolled or anything. The moment I found out and lost is 2 minutes. I didn't deposit more and tried to trick or scam the casino. I immedietly went to live support and told what happened. They told me I have uncontrollable behavior , due to that my account is self excluded immedietly. They don't accept the unlawful act or neither adressed anything. I have the mail's from casino guru if you want I can send you; between the casino guru and stake.com.

In both responses from the community ; I have seen that many people are lying and doing other stuff here. Keep in mind I am a new member and the last thing in this situation I want is to be looked upon with prejudice at first start. I have the emails, bet archives every proof you guys need for me to show. I want a honest look here. Thank you.


Tetaeridanus.

 "wanting to freeroll the casino"

If this was the attempt; I would deposit and play more at this site, and then tell the support the problem. This was never the case, I went on the live support and vip host asap. You can see from the bets how quick and painful the loss occured.

https://ibb.co/J2Yh6VY

Here is the last mail from Casino Guru, which after they have talked with Stake.com. This is against all laws and If I go to court I will also sue Casino Guru as well. This is the most ridiculous reply I have seen. What are your thoughts? Thanks in advance sir.

Edit: I can't seem to find a way to show the pictures of the links. Mind anyone help me? Thanks in advance.

Tetaeridanus

I initially wanted to start with telling you how sorry I am with your addiction, and the seeking for help speech, but I am quite sure you have enough of that. So I'll stop that topic here, know that you have my sympathy and I am not looking at your case with prejudice of a gambling addict.

On to your case, I managed to dig your complaint to CasinoGuru (https://casino.guru/stake-casino-the-player-s-self-exclusion-failed-2), read through all of it [such a rollercoaster of reading, if I may give my personal opinion] and would like to establish the precise timeline here.

Do I understand correctly that prior to having Tetaeridanus account, you have four different accounts, which the two of them are "set2323" and "mrperun", or is there any that created after Tetaeridanus?

In reference to this findings by CG,


I'd like to take some precaution by asking you to provide a backing evidence to your answer. I assume correctly that Stake send a confirmation email after an account sign up? So, everything is well documented, up to the date and time, when were these five accounts are created? Can you please provide screenshots for these emails timestamping the registration date of each accounts [please censor every sensitive information]? I will quote your image for visibility, like the last one you made.

Hello again sir,

Thanks for your reply, no account was created after tetaeridanus, in the intent of freerolling as the other poster said some people are doing to apply for bigger refunds. Tetaeridanus is my only real account which was kycd. No other accounts were previously kyc-d. CG and Stake's said breach of TOS is false since none of them were kyc'd in the first place so I didn't try to breach any rule. If it was happened I wouldn't have loss more than 300.000$ tp this site.

I will post the images for you, thanks for your sincere words.

Tetaeridanus

Here you go sir;

https://ibb.co/pX6nmJB

https://ibb.co/VY6Q8zM

https://ibb.co/dMjV8Cc

Tetaeridanus is the last account I owned, none of these were multi-accounting. Never had a problem or complaint with stake.com until this bug that occured which is the site's fault only. The fact that they threw these account names is a game to distract the topic on how they allowed a permanent banned account play blackjack; If the case was I opened a new account during exclusion and bypassed everything, lost money and wanted refund; that would be idiotic on my side, that's my fault. Look how idiotic this seems, however none of this happened so TOS and bla bla is just distraction. Tetaeridanus shouldn't be able to bet on casino games at the time of the screenshots were taken, since it was excluded permanently 4 months prior.

Thanks for reading CG and trying to give an insight. Sorry about the rollercoaster you have been thru as well, I suffer from ADHD and issues. Sorry if it took too long.

With respect,

Tetaeridanus.

edit: 3 previous accounts tetaeridanus.

Thank you for taking time digging those emails. I didn't mean to sound so demanding, just wanted to be through and through, I thought there are four accounts prior to tetaridanus? Can you perhaps provide us with the last one? Just to be sure we covered every ground.

And to be sure, none of those accounts are being used during the self-exclusion, or if I may phrase to an even better question, none of the accounts are active [in sense that you've asked to deactivate them] prior to tetaridanus?

Hey there again,

No , that's all good you can ask for more details as well; I am feeling better because people like you who at listen to details instead of looking at cases in biased way. Yes this three as I remember; if there was a fourth one; that is my email which I changed numbers and don't have access since 2020. Yes you are correct all of these were self-excluded permanently well before tetaeridanus, no other was active during or after tetaeridanus; even some time before. This three accounts are the accounts that were active until each of them were self excluded. I never asked for the refunds of my deposits or anything; If that was the case they could maybe blame TOS or etc. The problem is in the very same account, which both saddens me and makes me feel hurt and scammed. I am deep neck in debt because of my addiction and this was the last bullet to the head. When I see stake name I feel like killing myself or puking. I hate what they have done to me; and at last scamming me.


Thank you for trying to look in a perspective, if any of you guys have contact to stake's high level people, I hope we can make a good closure on this (I hope) systematical bug.


Best with respect;

Tetaeridanus.

You have been in few forums then. And insulting people is not going to help your case. In fact this thread has very few replies so far. Ask yourself why.


What I'm telling you is that degenerate gamblers are widely known for cheating even their mother to keep betting but seeing as you didn't like me telling you the truth don't expect me to respond any further in this thread.

On the stake side, it sounds fishy that it allows you to exclude yourself from the casino and not from sports betting, and that it doesn't work properly allowing you to bet in the casino, too. This is not the first case we have heard of on the forum. It is a thing that should not happen and if they let it happen, they should pay for it.

But on the other hand, for you to say that you have had three previous stake accounts, all self-excluded, and I don't care if they were not KYC, is like someone who bangs his head against the wall and blames the wall.

 

Roll back a little... do I understand correctly those three previous accounts [four if we include your forgotten one] were permanently self-excluded? So, to put it out chronologically, you created mrperun on 24 April 2021, asked for permanent self exclusion at one point, granted and got your account disabled, and then, with that older account considered inactive, created set2323 on 30 July 2021, realized your addiction is kicking back in, and asked for self exclusion, and they complied. Same thing happened to account fishermansj and tetaeridanus?

I insulted who? I came to this forum for people's opinion not about previous cases that happened here. I don't need for your words about gambling addiction; I am getting treatment for this matter and don't give a single damn about you leaving or not. You basically came here to look down on a newbie and threw some ignorance, I don't need you to reply or anything, who said reply here? You saying I got few replies etc, so what? Is my life over lol, I guess you guys want to stay blind on how stake scams people, I don't care if you reply or don't. Why so personal? What kind of problems are you facing in your life to act so rude against people?

You using your previous Self-exclusion as an insurance to your loss bet. They didn’t scam you but rather they allow you to play since you have a chance to double or increase your 20K if you won on Blackjack but instead you lose so you created this thread.

If you knew to yourself that you are addicted then you should control yourself instead of trying to use the self exclusion feature as an insurance to your degen bet. You have a chance to win this if you will file a lawsuit since a judge can understand your case but I’m Stake will not offer you a refund for a lose bet.

Hello sir, I am getting only bullied here and like the other poster said I never insulted anybody I don't understand the hate on me. I can send you documents everything you want about the case. Yes they have been excluded before, the fact that I have been outlining un kyc is they let me open new account because they weren't doing kyc procedures while I was depositing 100.000s. Casinos should have their exclusion policies strict to have these licenses. However it seems like they don't care and thinks that I and people like me will shut up. I won't shut up until everyone knows the truth. For the other replier,

Between all the bad and rude comments, I want to thank you that you believe I deserve my refund and you support the right even though you have been rude to me.

Ps: I don't understand why I need to get more replies? I am trying to share my experience, If you don't want to see the truth. Don't support me, tell me I am a degenerate. You don't know me, I wouldn't tell that I have a gambling problem If i wanted, I wanted to introduce myself here, not to get so many hate from a fellow member.

Tetaeridanus.


This is the most ridiculous thing I have read here since, Are you fucking kidding me? If I did that, am i an idiot to not deposit more and try to win more? Do you know the timeline of the events? No I don't need to fucking control myself when there is a self exclusion intact in the account. I don't use my previous self exclusion. You don't even read the post correctly. This account should have been self excluded, which was confirmed by email of stake themselves. Self exclusion is made for problem gamblers like me. I hope you go and get some simple empathy skills before accusing me of imaginary acts in your delusions. At the end you say a judge will understand, I don't care if you do or not. All of you are supporters of stake here. Don't worry I will be leaving your forum soon. Being respectful is wrong against people like you.

edit: I am paying respect and saying sorry for Don Pedro. I can see why people can get so angry at this forum with so many ignorant people with payrolls spitting nonesense.

edit: Duelbitz person, look at when I lost this bet and the start date of this thread.


edit: I think there is a misunderstanding here; I don't use previous self exclusion as excuse. I AM self excluded while this is happening on the account tetaeridanus. If like you said, it was previous; you would be correct.

I want to begin that I am not against you or trying to support Stake, I am trying to always be neutral and see from as many perspective as I can. On this matter and from the point established above, I'm afraid I have to give you a pill that'll be quite hard to swallow, namely... Casino Guru has a right stance and understanding on this matter.

Their final ruling [which didn't favor you] was,


Granted, their explanation could probably be a bit hard to understand, and from the postscript you added through edit, I take it that you probably understood them wrongly.

If I may try to better explain the situation, your self-exclusion on tetaeridanus didn't take full effect and prevent you from betting on casino is because you permanently self-exclude your other accounts before. It is a two pronged situation.

The casino should take the self-exclusion and give their best to protect you by immediately closing your account and prevent any credential related to that account from opening other accounts in the future. This means, from the "inside", the existing account were "bricked" by rendered unable to place any bet, and at the same time, from the "outside", the owner should not be able to create another account with the same credentials.

If I may throw a wild guess, their registration prevention probably try to read and stop you by reading the "analog" data like email address, username, name, DoB, nationality, and the likes, while their self-exclusion prevention within the account itself utilize parameters a platform usually use to detect multi-acc like your IP, screen resolution, geolocation, device data, etc.

This is how the self-exclusion work and the keypoint that CG tried to explain [I marked in blue] and how they honor the responsible gaming duty: by blacklisting the credentials to prevent future re-registration and bricking the account at the same time.

But, because you use other credentials to create other accounts, these "external" attempts to protect you through self-exclusion by denying you to create another accounts are bypassed because their database didn't match the newly inputted entry with the old ones that's on their exclusion list. This explains why you could create three [or four] other accounts from the first one you created and submitted self-exclusion.

Now, focusing and applying this on the tetaeridanus account, as I previously mentioned, it's a two pronged situation.

From the "outside", they can't prevent you from creating another account because you use different credential from fishermansj [your latest one prior to tetaeridanus], their system to automatically reject your account trying to sign up were bypassed by these differences on database. While from the "inside", or the second prong, the why your self exclusion for tetaeridanus were not effective by taking the self exclusion permanently, is because their system which responsible to "brick" your account read different data, thus crashed with each other.

Previously, for instance, they detected the entries [IP address, screen resolution, browser version, etc.] belonged to mrperun, or ready2323, and has to be denied, yet at the same time, these entries were belonged to fishermansj, and at some point, were yet to request self-exclusion, thus the database crashed. Same thing happened with tetaeridanus. They read that the entries are for ready2323, or other accounts, yet it also belonged to the newly created account under the name tetaeridanus that's yet to request self-exclusion, and they crashed again. And this is why the permanent self-exclusion couldn't lock itself on its place.

Of course this is only a hypothesis I get from reading the narratives of your case from the available resources [the casino guru's description and yours here]. I hope you can understand what I am trying to explain here.

I will stop wasting my words here, I don't understand the stance or anything, all I know is you and others tried everything to counterfeit my thesis however it goes without any proofs on your side but only hypotheses. You realise all you have done is assumptions right? If database crashed what is my problem on this side? I never got kyc'd before so that makes everything you said to assumption. I never tried to trick site or anything. They illegally opened mirror sites in turkey which online gambling is illegal to make people come play at this site. This is what stake is, this is what fraud and scam is. I won't waste my words here; thanks for taking time and giving your opinion, however this is not a hard pill to swallow for me but bunch of assumptions. Casino Guru is nonethless stake.com's subsidiary company and a scam promoting site to me. I don't believe in their conclusions, because I know stake and them are talking privately, hence told me by the cg representative. Anyways only person who is a good hearted and a reasonable one I met here is you. Nice meeting you. Hope you finally come to truths with yourself at the end about this case.

Sorry I saw wrong as you as a previous commentor. Sadly I don't accept assumptions.

I will try this again.

I can't stress this enough that I am in no way benefited from this case, at all. I am not in bed with Stake, I am not on their payroll, I am in no way affiliated with them, there is literally zero benefit for me on whatever outcome we get from this case, so I "couldn't care less" if Stake is the one who is wrong here or you understood them wrongly. What I do care is simply a resolution is reached on this case, no matter whose side it is. And currently all I can do is giving the narrative from what I understand to help you attain another point of view and/or to understand what happened more clearly.

Yes, I wrote the "second prong" part based on my assumption, that the permanent exclusion can't lock itself on tetaeridanus due to the "crash" on their database, but the part of "first prong", the external prevention is what casino guru found out after they thoroughly read Stake's explanation. So that part is an established fact.

I can understand if you won't accept this explanation-with-partial-assumption of mine, and I'm really sorry that you're in your current situation [not the addiction, I was talking about your family and your debt]. I believe this is where we part ways? I'll wish you a good luck and hope you can get out of this tunnel [not abyss or hole, tunnel, you just need to keep going, one step at a time] you're currently in.

Thank you very much for everything, you at least tried to shed some light in your own way; and at last even if i don't accept, thank you for your time and assumptions. Addiction is a long way home, one day one step at a time sir. I wish you the best as well.

With respect,
Tetaeridanus.

Hi,

Continuing our conversation from the other thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5463996.msg62872814#msg62872814) to keep things in order,

I'd like to address your concern about how no one seemed to notify Stake's representative about your case, as the opportunity offered itself, one thing that might be worth to put in the open in attempt to be completely honest, I'll admit that Stake's representatives are the hardest to reach for me as they barely replied to my invitation, but on the previous case that's posted before yours, of which I sent a message to notify one of the representative (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5466400.msg62831363#msg62831363), I was graced by a reply assuring that they monitored the scam accusations and forwarded every cases on this board to the staff.

If you want to, though, I can contact the same representative to notify him about your thread, just in case they set their PM setting to not accepting message from newbies? That's the least I can do for you.

My friend I thank you for even thinking about this, trying to help is well appreciated. You can do it if it's going to help anything. I don't think so but at least let's give it a try. You sir are one of the few real lads here. Even asking for this gesture and trying for a newbie is well appreciated. Let's give it a try, so we see if they give evidence which is plausible for both you and me.

After this thread I hope we bump into each other in this forum more.

Sincerely,

Tetaeridanus.

I got a reply from the person who forwarded all of the cases on this board to Stake's staff yesterday, he informed me that Stake's staff has, indeed, been notified about this thread.

Ehh.. Wait... What? It's not illegal do be addictive of something or like something a lot. Even if its not good.

Why would something like that even matter? Just because they attend to lie, it should make his case worse and who cares id it 1 or 1000 other cases on the forum?
In cases like this, it what can be proofed and only that! Not what anyone thinks that matter.

Don't judge a book by it's cover! Even how ugly the book may be on the outside.
I really hope you don't work with the law, that would be terrible.

I have sadly lost my grandfather, whom I have been so close for many years; to a sudden death. I have not been on this forum for a few days, I had to pick him up from outside of the city to create the funeral service. Hence I don't know if I got a message or not; I won't be the same anymore. I wish I have merited you with my smerits for your at least try on this case. It seems like I got no replies from them, I am ignoring all negative people and negative commenters from now on. Life is more important than spending it with negative people.

Thank your for being a reasonable and a smart man; I am going through tough days; it makes my day to see reasonable people giving good replies to trash talkers. This guy you are commenting , doesn't even deserve a reply. He is just a loser with no love. Probably he isn't loved by anyone also; so don't take your time to reply to him. Thanks for standing up for me!✨

Any news my friend?

They only said that they [the representative who forwarded all of the scam accusation to the team] had informed the team about your issue. Have no one from their customer service reached you ever since?

Sadly no my friend; I buried my grandpa last week, I am mentally out; I will check emails today, I don't velieve they even cared to help.

Thanks holydarkness; I will give merit to you once i get to 8. All for your good heart.

I hate to be a bearer of bad news, but if you haven't get any email from them ever since, then I'm afraid it means they decided to not reconsider your case and still stick to the initial decision they made few months ago. I am sorry that I can't be help for any further.

It's not bad news holydarkness; they can't even reply to a single post; they are cowards who don't give a shit about players or any one of you. I see many users here with their signatures; who are also probably getting scammed by stake.com, stockholm syndrome I guess. I will never stop ever, exposing these people. They scammed me out of my 20.000$ and didn't even reply to me single time even on CG; because they are thieves and think they can get away with this. I am going nowhere; just watch when I become a ordinary profile here on bitcointalk, I will see how stake will respond when a legendary profile will accuse them of being thieves. I am about to kick the bee hive; good luck stake.com.

And to that coward who is forwarding all this and not even given a single shit to reply here; you will too; your site opens mirror sites on illegal juristictions, I also have many people waiting to sue stake because of their marketing campaigns in countries where gambling is punished as 10 years of prison. Staketr.com staketr2.com hahahahhaha; you guys think you can get away with being this unlawful and still no word gets out? No. You are and will all rot in prison when regulation kicks in, you unlawful thiefs.

You know what our ancestors say? Truth has a habit of coming out one day.All of the rats will sink with the ship, including the rats in this forum.

It's a sad situation you have put yourself in tetaeridanus. I know that addiction is real even though I have never been around real addicts of any kind.
In my limited experience with gambling problems, I have realized that those who want to gamble will find ways to do it. A few years ago, I remember a case of a local guy who was banned from one of our physical sportsbooks. Still, he would spend time near it and beg people to place bets for him by offering them the money. I never saw him personally, but I know people who did. And in some cases it worked.

Back to your case. With or without your account permanently closed through self-exclusion, I don't think it would have stopped you from gambling somewhere. If not on Stake, then on other casinos. You were aware of your problems playing casino games, and you still gambled on sports. When you lost on sports, you wanted to go back to playing casino games, and it worked. If it didn't work on Stake, I think you would have done it elsewhere. 

Casinos act predatory when they smell money, and sadly you were easy prey for them.
Try and get your life back together and stop with the self-destruction. You can do it only if you truly want it.   

No I couldn't play anywhere else because I would need to withdraw the money to do that. I respect and read your reply; I don't seen anywhere how stake.com deserves that money, If I was permanently banned. I don't think you are on point. I am on treatment right now thanks for the addiction advices🖐🏻. You not even saying single word on how self exclusion didn't work is beyond unreasonable to me.

You know self exclusion is a must for their license right? If someone thinks they have a gambling pronlem; the casino should do what it must do and stop him from playing. I don't understand a single thing in your answer that is trying to help me. I am not here to beg, I am here to show the truth but since I am a newbie no one givez a single shit. I don't think visitors in this forum are so eager to register because of the act upon newbies.

Stop the fantasy.


You are already an ordinary profile here on bitcointalk, and no matter how long you stay and get to Legendary it won't do you any good. The only thing that could help you is to enter DT and be able to paint red his profile, but even then I don't think it would do much good, as the OP of the official Stake.com thread is Stunna, who has 30 positive feedbacks and is not very active lately. Stake.com has a great reputation on the forum and you're not going to change it for your isolated case.

The only thing left for you to do is to take legal action as I told you before because here on the forum you are not going to get anything more than to continue to be angry, as you keep showing in your posts.

It's not about whether or not they deserve the money. They won the money that you lost. That's all.

We don't live in a perfect world my friend. The reality of the world and what is happening in it is different from how it should be. Life is going to eat you alive if you aren't strong mentally and to some degree physically. Do you agree with me that addiction is a weakness and a disease? 

This has nothing to do with you being a newbie, and I am pretty sure you know it. You are looking to vent. Stake is at fault, the forum is wrong, Pmalek is at fault because he isn't helping me. None of that makes any difference. Your addiction got you here, and I hope you will recover from it. I don't think I can wish anything better for you than to recover and become a healthy and strong individual who can take control of his life and be capable of making sound and logical decisions.   

Welcome back! First you were saying no one's gonna reply to a degenerate, now telling me to stop the fantasy. I respect your opinion about everything and thanks for your opinions, may I ask you what is your choice of act? So Stunna has a great rep, so he can't be at fault right? You Stop the Fantasy. Yeah we will see in the future, I get act upon in every thread because of rank, like i am a spastic individual. Anyways thanks for your replies Don Dinero, even how much you are spitting at me with anger, I believe you are a genuine person. Thanks.

You are right about every word you have said even If i want to accept or not, I wish I had smerits; I would have merited this. Anyways I hope you know you get my gratitude and appreciation. I will and am on the path of recovery. However I still don't believe I am at fault here.

I am sure you misunderstood what he tried to say. I think he didn't mean to discourage you from ranking up. Rather, he's informing you that your aim is not exactly necessary. This forum, or more specifically, this board, doesn't discriminate rank, we run on evidence. So, it doesn't really matter if the accuser is a newbie with mere dozen of posts or a legendary, as long as they give supporting evidence for their claim, we'll give our best to oversee the case. As such, you being a newbie or a FM or a legendary does not change how people view your case.

If you want to pursue this matter, it'll be better to allocate your time by filing legal suits than spending it here building a legendary rank just so you can be heard [because you already been heard].

At least that's how I interpret his post.

You have made a perfect interpretation of what I meant. For my part here I am going to leave the OP angry with the world, and with the forum, and with those who tell him things he doesn't like to hear even if they are true. I told him to look for a lawyer in a previous post and he didn't listen. I, for $20,000, would do it. I guess it's more comfortable for him to keep complaining on the forum, but it's not going to get him any results.

Dear Holydarkness and Don Pedro Dinero;

I thank both of you for your continuous replies; I am not in the best of the times this week since I have buried my grandfather to grave and not really on the 'mood', If my replies seems like I am against everything you wrote that's because of my mood and english being my second language. I am not here to rank up to make my voice heard, I am here to contribute if you look at my previous posts, I am active in this forum; at least am trying to, because I love and have been in bitcoin for many years, however never belonged to a community, which here I love it. Thanks for your replies again, sadly I don't even know a lawyer who would look to a case like this, I will start diging; secondly I appreciate both of your opinions a lot, and thank you for your help. Holydarkness, Stake didn't even try to respond since today, so I won't try to continue on this path anymore; I will take legal action, thank you for your efforts as well.

edit: Hey Don what is DT? Thanks.

Respect

Tetaeridanus✨

I don think Don will answer [a dad joke fully intended] as your question will be very much out of topic, so I'll be brief [as much as I can, because it's a rather complex system], you can shoot me a PM if you have further question for this topic, or you can look around, there are plenty of reading material available across the boards on this forum, or ask on the beginners and help (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=39.0) board.

In layman's term, a DT [Default Trust] is a group of people whose judgment are valued and trusted by the forum, thus when they participate on a trust flag or leave a trust feedback, what they leave will be shown for public eyes. If you see those numbers below the username on left side of everyone's post, the "-0 / =0 / +0" or on other cases, "-8 / =1 / +3" or whatever numbers showing there, it's because a DT, be it a DT1 or DT2 leave a positive, neutral, or negative feedback on that account.

When a non-DT leave their feedback, it won't show by default, you'll need to go to their trust page and click the "show ratings" on the "untrusted feedback" section to bring this up.

The list of DTs is ever changing due to the decentralized nature that theymos want to enact, you can always see the DT list here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5139250.0), being updated weekly.

Thanks holydarkness for your reply! I wish I could merit you. Thanks for your activity in this forum as well, I see you in every scam accusation thread dealing with all kinds of people. I gave a trust +1 to you way back; so I can only see that, bummer😃.

Respect for your contribution.

Thanks for your answers on my thread.

I got no replies as of the weeks past; don't you think Stake.com not replying is a problem?

I didn't mean to be rude, but I thought we've come to a conclusion (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5466839.msg62919863#msg62919863) that if they didn't reply you by then, they're probably won't reply any further as they're sticking to their last decision?

I don't think they have a choice to not reply to a scam accussation; if they didn't what conclusion do you have to still support their decision? I don't understand your motive really holydarkness; you did a great thing and contacted them ; don't you think it is ill motivated to not reply to a scam accusation with proofs given? I seriously don't understand your pov.

Regards.

They actually have choices to reply or not to reply to a scam accusation. The scam accusations threads are here to warn people of a scam attempts as well as give space for every involved parties to give their side. If one of the involved party didn't want to give their side, then I'm afraid there's not much we can force them to do.

As for what you [or, the other side of the involved parties, the one that's left with silence] can do, it's case-by-case basis, in several, the silence can be intepreted as an admission of guilt [depending on what the evidence point out to us] and flag or negative feedback were given as a result. Thus, if you deemed it necessary and the right thing to do, you're more than welcome to take that road. But, your case, sadly, IMO, doesn't warrant a flag. At least that's what I got after reading your case and proof you provided.

I explained my assumption here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5466839.msg62855520#msg62855520) about the two pronged situation, which I am more than OK that you can't accept, as it is just my assumption, but that's the way I see and intepret your case, my very own opinion after reading the narrative and evidence so far.

Others might think differently, and they'll probably see Stake as the wrong side here, support your flag if you raise any, or leave a negative feedback themselves on Stake's account.

As for why my motive, I don't think I understand this part well, but if you're asking for I'm here, as I said here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5466839.msg62855897#msg62855897), I am not benefited in any way from this case, whatever the outcome is, I am here [on this board, not just on this thread] simply to oversee cases, probably help solving them, and that's it.

Holydarkness,

First of all I know your motive is helping here and not taking any sides, and I believe your good heartedness. On the other hand, I asked you what does silence mean on Stake.com's side. If you knew how this site caused my life to collapse and watched it in your eyes; you would flag this stealing attempt too, this site does not care about their customers or you or anyone here; they care about money. Their religion is money; and I will try everything I can to take my money back. How and to which account do I raise flag? I will see who is a payroller on that flag. Thanks for advance.

On that case, as I've said (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5466839.msg62919863#msg62919863), I think their silence means they're sticking with their initial ruling, and that they're not going to reconsider your case. As for flagging them, which account do you want to flag? Is it Stunna (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=81292), it's Stake's official account, but the account has been inactive for a while.

Basically, if you want to raise a flag against someone, you go to their trust page [go to the profile and click the button on "trust"], scroll to the bottom of the page, to the "new feedback" part, the option to add a flag will be next to a negative feedback.

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/10/15/RV8Mw.jpeg

There will be three type of flags you can choose [the description of each flag is there on that page]. Flag type-1, Newbie Flag, will only need 1 DT support [or 1 more DT supporting the flag against the ones opposing it], and flag type-2 and 3 will need 3 DT supports. [You can read more about flag here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5156835.0) if you're interested].

You can ask for support or opposition for flag here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5153445.0). But bear in mind that DTs will not just jump into supporting [or opposing] flag blindly, for the same reason I can't: because taking an action for a flag requires us to affirm that what happens is like what's described, to the best of our knowledge, and that the flagged account indeed did as accused and/or guilty.

Thanks for your information; I don't see any way for you to support Stake.com since their representatives actually even replied to anything here. I wish I could open a flag against stake.com directly; I will open one for Stunna.

Dear Holydarkness,

Do I open a thread about I opened a flag or it doesn't work like that? Does the DT sees this?

No, just update the opening post, adding the link to your flag. Do the DTs see your thread and flag? Well, I can say that, so far and for sure, there are three DTs overseeing your thread, given we're already commenting and giving our input. I noticed that you've also made your request here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5153445.0), so yeah, DT will most likely see your thread.

Okay , holydarkness; thanks for your whole help sir.

With respect;

Tetaeridanus.

OP posted in Request Support (or Opposition) for Flags here! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5153445.msg63000575#msg63000575), which lead to discussion there. That's not the right place, so I've deleted 7 posts and I'll quote them here. I've also Opposed the Flag.

Get help. Block every gambling site from your hosts file (https://github.com/StevenBlack/hosts). Throw away your computer. Start working out. Go watch porn. Get a different hobby. Do something. Something else than gambling.
Opening scam accusations isn't going to help you. Even if you'd get your money back, you'd instantly lose it again.

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The quotes from Request Support (or Opposition) for Flags here! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5153445.0):