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Is it a new project? I feel like I heard the name long ago.

LEGAL STATEMENT OF [banned mixer]
TUMBLERIO Ltd

Show us your are trully a limited company. I can verify that


You're probably thinking about Tumbler.to, a mixer closed ~3 years ago
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2827109.msg55656025#msg55656025

You are correct.
I could not get my head around with the .io and .to

I am already doing quick testing myself, and I can say that clearnet address is not working for me after trying with several different browsers.
Onion address works, but I didnt do anything much except browsing the content, checking out fee and faq page.

Can you confirm that you actually own 100 BTC by signing an address?

Something is up with the clearnet version right after solving the captcha. And now every time I visit the link

I get this error

Perhaps you should fix it.

Clearnet doesn't work for me. Error 429 Too Many Requests from DDos-guard


The domain name is one word, very related to the mixing service. It can affect the feeling as if we know about this service from before.

I can't open the clearnet browser like post above, say: 429 Too Many Requests. but it's okay on the Onion browser.
So, it says captcha on step 1, but I didn't go through that step but went straight to step 2, Looks like the website isn't ready yet.
the service fee doesn't seem very competitive like another mixer, the minimum is 1%.

Yes, this is a new project, and it has nothing to do with projects with other domain names, including Tumbler.to.


I'm afraid this is commercially confidential, you could try asking for this information via the feedback form on the website.


Protection from DDOS attack was triggered. Now everything is working normally. Thanks to all testers ;)


Indeed, incorrect information is stated in the FAQ, at the moment the system limit for mixing is  temporarily reduced up to 10 bitcoins, you could see that when creating a new order, as well as when downloading a letter of guarantee. In the future, the mixing limit will be raised to the figures stated in the FAQ section.


No, I don't think it's a good idea to show anyone the addresses with the balances of the system, it's not a cryptocurrency exchange.


Everything has been fixed, thanks for your interest in the project!


Indeed, you are right! ][banned mixer] (https://[banned mixer) is a beautiful domain and very related to the mixing service!

That's something that surprised me, especially since this website is new, So what is your strategy that can be up to 15 million requests?. are you share on social media?

So far the clearnet and onion browsers it's running normally. but the captcha still doesn't work, when I try to mix go straight to step 2

that's a good idea. if you share your 100 btc, it will make people comfortable to use your service and not afraid of the money being taken away

I was surprised too. Immediately after the publication of the first post and 15 views, the project received 15 million requests. Obviously, the traditions of new projects meeting at the forum are as follows. Free stress test. The attack has not stopped. The system holds up, and that's fine.
As for social networks, if I made such a decision, the links will appear on the site.


The captcha is not always activated and highlighted. The system works correctly. You can continue mixing.


There is a letter of guarantee for this. Anyone can prove mixing if needed. Never has the confirmation of funds capacity showed the reliability of the project.

Thanks to all the customers who have already started using [banned mixer], and, of course, to those who carried out a DDoS attack on the system.
This experience helped to optimize the service and make it more secure. At the moment, the DDoS attack has ended after 3 unsuccessful attempts.
At the moment, the system has extensive functionality and provides reasonable conditions on the market:

- minimum service fee: 0.4% (0.2% in case of max discount)
- network fee: 0.0002 BTC
- minimum amount: 0.001 BTC
- payment delay: from 0 to 72 hours
- up to 10 addresses for payment
- extended discount system
- letter of guarantee

You are welcome to try [banned mixer]!

Clearnet: https://[banned mixer]
Tor Mirror: http://[banned mixer]

Hello, I just came from your review campaign and found that you offer LIFETIME DISCOUNT

Since users will review a mixing service which enhances privacy, using LIFETIME DISCOUNT is bad for privacy as it can easily link all your current and future addresses, inputs and outputs, it's just like sharing a master public key.

Therefore, I am asking about the TUMBLER CODE as described on the site:



You claim to delete logs, but won't this code serve as a tool to track user transactions after deleting logs? and how can you be sure of this without revealing his inputs?

Salut!
The [banned mixer] Bitcoin Mixer Review#1 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5467984.0) was launched today!
I'm looking forward to reviews and ideas for improving the service from the participants.
At the end of the first round and the elaboration of ideas from the testers, a second round will be held, where new participants will also be able to engage.
Don't miss it! The author of the best review will receive the extra prize of 0.01 BTC from [banned mixer]!

Before anything I would say welcome to Bitcointalk, a forum like no other where you can expect scrutiny from users with crypto awareness and always looking out for loopholes to fix/better a service and a whole lot of others that would be out for what they could benefit off these loopholes.

With your announcement came attention and haven’t visited the site, I must say I noted as Hugeblack on the log, code and lifetime reward. Clarifying that would speak loudly as to handling input and output data with respect to code linking, input/output handling and and the reward system.

Also, while this might blend,

I would like to flip the above and put the bottom ahead of the first statement like this;
^{This is just to paint a picture am getting and in no way to twist things but, a matter of clarification.}

This gives the statement at my end, an arms open for transactions that fits into that category.

Am well aware that even without stating, those are some of the transactions that comes seeking mixing services and mixers can’t really differentiate which coins are legitimate or not as is the nature of bitcoin but, claim as in quote seems like such a bold move.

Hello, Hugeblack, Mr.right85

the answer to your uneasy question about tumbler code will take some time.
It will appear here the nearest time.
I will try to dispel your doubts.

Just know that no mixer has ever given a satisfactory answer to this question. The first time I saw it asked, the mixer closed shortly after this question was asked.

LoyceV find the link!

I will post the answer, anyway. I think it will be useful for many.

I apologize for the long replies, my attention was focused on something else.

The children are up to mischief again :)

https://i.ibb.co/k04HrY4/1.png

Thank you so much for not staying away. It is very important for me to get as many comments as possible from the forum members.


As you have noticed, there is a discount system in [banned mixer] bitcoin mixer and at the same time, this mixer does not actually store any information about the amounts of deposits of its customers.

How does it work? Now I will try to explain everything from the beginning and without technical details...

All bitcoin mixers that do not use coinjoin technology use mixer codes. This is a necessary functionality so that their customers do not get their own coins back when they mix again.

When creating a new order, the system generates an address for the deposit and marks this address with a unique key - mixer code.
The client makes a deposit to this address and receives his unique mixer code.
In case of repeated mixing, he applies his mixer code, and the system excludes for payments all addresses that were used for the deposit by this client earlier.

If the bitcoin mixer uses a discount system, then, besides the mixer codes directly, the system must also store the total amount of all deposits for each individual mixer code!

Obviously, this is absolutely unacceptable and impermissible!

Why? Because under some unfortunate circumstances, the mixer database with all its codes created during the entire operation of the system will get into open access. Such a situation will disclose the following information to third parties:

- the total amount of all deposits during the entire operation of the system
- the total amount of all deposits for each mixer code - each client (after all, an ordinary bitcoin mixer needs to know what amount of discount each client should receive)

Therefore, even if the bitcoin mixer declares that its system deletes all logs, critical information about the total amount of deposits in the system for each client will remain.

Not very good... Hmm, but how does it work with [banned mixer]?

Everything is simple. [banned mixer] does not store information about its clients' deposits. All information is stored and encrypted in the tumbler code itself :)

_{simplified form}
Tumbler Code = Reverse Encryption Algorithm ( Deposit key + Total amount )

That's why the tumbler code is updated after each mixing: updated information about the client's total deposit is sewn into it and securely encrypted.

After the client enters his tumbler code, [banned mixer] system will decrypt it, extract a tag from it that is associated with the addresses of his past deposits, extract the total amount of deposits and thus be able to use the discount system, risking nothing. Using this method, [banned mixer] system does not need to save any long-term logs, as it presumably happens in most mixing services that use short mixer codes and discount systems (based on logic and mathematics).

As for deposit address tags, in practice, these tags are stored in the system for no more than 7 days, since during this period all deposit addresses will be used by other users and "dust" is moved from the system.

The system deletes all information about orders 24 hours after the successful completion of the task, and all correspondence with the support service after 48 hours. The customers themselves store tumbler codes. Deposit address tags are all that remain in the system. And even this information is automatically deleted after a short time.

I don't seem to have forgotten anything. I will be glad to answer all your questions.

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Was trying to see what the internet has to say about you guys, and unfortunately, a search on [banned mixer] pings other mixers as can be seen by the screenshot..

If you have time on your hands to work on some SEO optimization  it will be nice to see you rank on the first page of Google with the "[banned mixer]" search  :)

Thank you!


SEO optimization takes time. :) The work is in progress.

My search in the browser is also the same as the post above, the name [tumbler io] without typing the [.] sign that I entered is in fourth place. This shows that SEO accuracy is still weak.

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Does it take a long time to work on it?
Your answer is too simple. After I visited the tumber.io site, it didn't seem like it would take long because the web display wasn't too heavy.

I have provided a detailed review of this service here ---> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5467984.msg62904448#msg62904448 , including above question and some suggestions.

1)after testing the service, I think you need to review the Tumbler Code. I did not use this code and made two shuffles after about 10 minutes. I got my coins from the same address I deposited to.

1) I did not find on the site what would happen if someone sent to the same old address after more than 24 hours, just a warning not to send.

3) You also need to look at the withdrawal fees as they are high. I do not know if it applies to all cases, but it is the experience of a user who has tried the service three times.

Other than that, everything is great and I enjoyed the experience.

The  [banned mixer] Bitcoin Mixer Review#1 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5467984.100)  that was recently launched shows interesting results!

The testers team gathered by Royce777 is really professional.

There are some ideas that have already been implemented in hot pursuit, there are some shortcomings that have been identified, and they have already been fixed, there are moments where the testers themselves for some reason could not figure out the functionality.
I will wait for all 20 reviews to appear and show in the final post all the suggestions.
There are really interesting ideas, implementing which will take time.
For example, several people mentioned the lack of a night mode and, voila, it has already been implemented. Use it with pleasure!

I will definitely share all my thoughts after appearing of all the reviews!

The first round of the Review contest has almost neared the end - Royce777 is waiting to receive the last review.
Thus, the nearst days I will also choose the best review of the first round, although it will not be easy: many reviews are very cool.
This week it will be interesting for us in this thread to discuss a summary table of your suggestions and planned implementations - it is in motion at the moment.

To be honest, user interface looks so good that I don't want to leave your website. Everything looks so nice, well-organized and colors are so well-chosen, it makes me calm when I scroll down and move on different pages. Great job! I hope that's not only me who feels like that but I really am captivated with this.

By the way, why you use mixer codes over coinjoin? What is the advantage/disadvantage? By the way, as I see, you offer so called premium level coins in exchange of higher fees. What if I send coins from wallet X to your mixer, choose Premium Level and deposit mixed coins directly on centralized exchange like Binance and Coinbase and then they mess up with me because their blockchain analyses partner company detected that coins are not clean. Let's imagine this case, what will happen in situation like this? Do you offer guarantee for premium coins on top exchanges like Binance and CB? I'm just curious.

If you recognise constructive criticism and suggestions, then the review campaign can be considered effective. I have seen that some suggestions are repeated by several users, which is an obvious sign that it is important.
I forgot to emphasize in the review that you need more activities on other channels. Twitter and Telegram are probably mandatory, you are currently completely inactive there. Given that all your chat logs from support are deleted after 24 hours, then a network like Telegram is really necessary for more efficient support.

I just want to ask how a lifetime discount works, including how to redeem it and whether it involves a code. I'm asking because I'm one of the participants in the signature design contest and there are only three people who submitted an entry to the contest. This means that if the reward for the contest doesn't change, I'll be rewarded with a 40% lifetime discount for your service.

Also I see the terms from the contest:


Does this mean I can't sell the code or give it away too (Just to make it clear)?

If I've understood your question correctly, it seems to be more along the lines of "why opt for the traditional mixing method instead of coinjoin?"
One of the primary reasons is that the coinjoin scheme itself is fairly transparent and tends to attract the attention of systems analyzing transactions, making it challenging to break away from existing patterns. Additionally, coinjoin transactions are quite rare; not every block contains such transactions. This makes it easier for interested companies to extract and analyze these specific transactions.
At the same time, traditional mixers can accommodate almost any type of transaction, such as the most popular and straightforward ones like "One-to-One" and "One-to-Two". In other words, the most frequently occurring combinations in blocks are precisely what traditional bitcoin mixers opt for, because the broader the transaction slice, the more challenging it becomes to analyze.
Another reason for choosing the classic system is that, with the right setup, one can achieve a high "Privacy score result for the transaction." It also allows for the use of a tumbler code to offer a discount to clients, which is a pleasant feature. In a couple of weeks, it is planned to conduct the Review #2 , where one of the focal points for testers will be the "Privacy score result for the transaction."

Thank you immensely for the constructive suggestions and feedback. I truly don't wish to disappoint, but at this time, there are no plans to introduce additional communication channels.

Yes, you're absolutely right – the intention is that this code is solely for your use; it shouldn't be sold or passed on to third parties. And yes, it's completely secure: refer to the description on how the tumbler code is structured in the project  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5467457.msg62902648#msg62902648)in the above post.

It's great you already make improvements to your site after only reading a couple of reviews.
I was also lucky enough to be one of the participants and must say some of the reviews are top notch!

For the contest, I think the first review already, by user ratimov was very good. I didn't have the same problems he did, with the language switch, but the whole review was grade A quality.
Another 2 ones I enjoyed reading myself were written by BlackHatCoiner and Gladitorcomeback. They tested stuff I couldn't even think of, very informative.
I don't want to be in your shoes, it's a tough decision to choose a best review out of these.

Yes, that is important, let's make it natural as Yomix did. I am not sure they use SEO to optimize it, I am really sure Yomix did it naturally because they are good in marketing. So if [banned mixer] want be o top searching let do the same what yomix did by create the signature campaign and masive marketing on social media. The important thing 1st is to make people believe if [banned mixer] is Trusted. So if people already believe, the ranking will be shifted to the top place naturally.

I would not agree that SEO ranking is such an important thing when we talk about mixer services. It can be useful, of course it's always good, but it's not crucial.
As the most obvious example, I would mention Chipmixer, which for the last few years has only worked with the TOR site without a clearnet site. By directly searching the chipmixer keyword, the original site was not even in the first 5 pages of the Google search engine. And yet they were quite dominant in the mixer industry.

It's very hard topic to discuss about because there are solid arguments on both sides. The existence of clearnet site increases the chance of phishing and scamming. If you remove clearnet website and promote only onion link, the number of people falling scams will decrease, that's what chipmixer owner experienced and said at least.
But on another hand, why shouldn't mixer be available on clearnet? If all of your users are for illegal activities, sure, you don't need one but I assume if aim is to truly help  customers to remain anonymous and you care about your average users, then clearnet is necessary. It's especially necessary in the beginning to let your customers visit and see your website, average user is probably lazy enough to download and open Tor for that.

By the way, we don't actually know how much of a traffic comes from Google, Bing, Yahoo, DuckDuckGo and other search engines. So, it's hard to say, chipmixer existed so long that they were already known for the whole crypto world.

So when we talk about that, Chipmixer was a popular site that has credible uses by people. They don't need that traffic Google search. because people already know that mixer is trust and reliable to use.

The problem is, not many people can use that onion link, I admit that when try onion links where have a bad connection internet location. I have to back on the Clearnet link to access the mixer.

However, clearnet link is important. They must priority that link beside the onion link. because there are many normal people who only know how to use clearnet link, and never use onion link for his life once.

To everything there is a season, blue Snow

When will we hear responses to some of the comments made in the campaign review?
What changes may occur, especially to some points that everyone agreed upon, such as the mixing algorithm and withdrawal fees?

I'm glad to inform you that the first round of Bitcoin Mixer Review (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5467984.0) is completed and a great job has been done, in the next message I will provide a complete list of all edits.

The questions and suggestions from the testers of the first Review are collected below. I've tried to show most of them.


⌛⌛⌛ After completing all tests, we're ramping up our mixing pool soon – bigger transactions are on the horizon.

✅✅✅ We've added Taproot support now, so you're all set for every address format.

✅✅✅ Honestly, we've found that going beyond 72 hours doesn't make much difference.

✅✅✅ Just to clarify, since the inception of our service, we've actually had the feature to distribute bitcoins by address in percentage terms and to set latency distribution for individual addresses. Perhaps it might've been overlooked? Do check again, and let us know if you need any assistance navigating through it.

✅✅✅ We've already implemented that feature. Now, our system distributes coins using 96 different sending patterns, and yep, that includes sending from various address types. We're all about upping that anonymity game.

✅✅✅ Thanks for pointing that out. We've fixed the issue, so your language preference should stick throughout the process now. Give it another go and let us know if everything's smooth.

✅✅✅ Thanks for bringing this to our attention during the testing phase. We've now updated our platform to display descriptions for all potential errors, so users will have a clearer understanding of what's happening.

✅✅✅ Our system was initially set up to flag any non-standard behavior as a potential threat, leading to the transaction being marked as an error. Good news is, we've updated this. You can now send transactions and even increase the fee during the process. Our system won't mistake it for a double-spend, and your transaction will go through smoothly. Plus, if there's a transaction cancellation, your order will revert to its initial state, waiting for a new transaction. Hope this clears things up!

✅✅✅ We've made adjustments and corrected the overly generous miner fee.

✅✅✅ Just a quick heads-up: we've now added a feature allowing clients to delete order information directly from the order page without waiting for the 24 hours to lapse.

❎ Thanks for the suggestion. However, based on the history of ChipMixer, email played a pivotal role in its shutdown. According to regulatory reports, ProtonMail might not be as anonymous and secure as many believe. So, for now, we won't be introducing email support to maintain the highest levels of security and anonymity. Hope you understand.

✅✅✅ We've completely revamped our internal chat. Lots of new features have been added, including automatic updates. We're always striving to make our platform more user-friendly and efficient.

❎ For security reasons, we don't plan to add the functionality to attach screenshots. Text-based messages provide a secure means of communicating with our support team, and we believe it's sufficient to convey any necessary information.

❎ For the sake of security, we don't plan to support Telegram. Telegram's recent privacy policy changes involve disclosing user information, including IP addresses, upon regulatory request, which raises concerns about user privacy. We aim to prioritize the utmost privacy and security for our users.

❎ We currently do not intend to add any additional communication channels beyond our internal chat and Bitcointalk forum. This decision is rooted in our commitment to maintaining complete control over privacy for both us and our users. We believe this approach best aligns with our mission to provide a secure and anonymous service.

❎ There is no option to add the PGP fingerprint on the main page of the site without using Email for support. However, in case we need to sign any messages, we'll use the official Bitcoin address of the project - 1TUMBLRXHDjFZacmFLbuDn2Rw1rcPgacR.

⌛⌛⌛ A referral program is on our roadmap for future additions. Your suggestion aligns with our plans for further enhancements.

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✅✅✅ We've added a feature that allows you to use the left and right arrow keys on your keyboard to make more precise adjustments to the sliders in the mixing form. This should provide a more accurate way to set the desired percentage.

All other issues you've mentioned have already been addressed and resolved as described in the previous responses.

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✅✅✅ We've added a dark mode feature. Now you can enjoy the service with a more comfortable viewing experience in low-light environments.

❎ We currently do not intend to implement that functionality because JavaScript is essential for the proper operation of the site. Additionally, JavaScript helps resolve various issues related to client anonymity and provides protection against DDoS attacks.

✅✅✅ A link to your order has been added to the guarantee letter. You can always revisit your order using this link, even after closing your browser tab.

❎ We won't be removing the discount system and lifetime discount. Our system fully incorporates this functionality without compromising the anonymity of our clients. We've previously explained this feature in detail in our forum thread and discussed how the Tumbler code operates.

❎ We don't plan to use ProtonMail for receiving support requests. Chipmixer previously used ProtonMail, but that project no longer exists.

❎ At the moment, we are not considering adding a lighter version that doesn't support JavaScript.

❎ Implementing a forced random option for service fees within the existing levels doesn't provide practical benefits, as we see that most users already choose service fees randomly to enhance privacy.

✅✅✅ A detailed response to this question has been added to the FAQ section on the project's website.

❎ Support for the Lightning Network is not in our current considerations.

❎ We don't intend to include the 'Paying to a friend' feature in our services. This functionality is more similar to a cryptocurrency wallet feature, and our primary focus is on providing a different set of services.

✅✅✅ We've made adjustments and corrected the overly generous miner fee.

❎ Using the Tumbler Code is essential to avoid such issues. You can find information about it in various sections on our website.

All other issues you've mentioned have already been addressed and resolved as described in the previous responses.

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❎ There are projects with higher requirements for discounts, and we consider our rates to be reasonable.

❎ The minimum fee helps protect our pool from de-anonymization attacks. At the time of withdrawal, the fee is dynamic and is selected based on the Bitcoin network's current load.

✅✅✅ We've made significant improvements to the FAQ section based on feedback from testers. It now contains a wealth of new information and clarifications to better assist users.

❎ This feature has actually been available since the project's inception.

All other issues you've mentioned have already been addressed and resolved as described in the previous responses.

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✅✅✅ We've added a dark mode feature. Now you can enjoy the service with a more comfortable viewing experience in low-light environments.

✅✅✅ We've taken this into account and made improvements. Now, the link to your ongoing support conversation is duplicated on the chat page, making it easier for you to continue where you left off even if you close your browser tab.

All other issues you've mentioned have already been addressed and resolved as described in the previous responses.

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❎ The minimum deposit is an important part of our system's security measures, and we believe the current amount is set at an optimal level.

All other issues you've mentioned have already been addressed and resolved as described in the previous responses.

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❎ JavaScript (JS) plays a crucial role in maintaining the security and anonymity of our project. Without JS, the level of anonymity and functionality we offer could not be fully realized. Perhaps some of the testers who attempted to assess our service, including DDoS testing, have gained a deeper appreciation for this technology. They may have also noticed specific technical aspects while interacting with our website. In a nutshell, JS enables anonymity for both us and our clients.

⌛⌛⌛ I'm sorry, but our DNS provider (DDOS-Guard) currently does not support DNSSEC, although they have promised to add this feature in the future. We do not plan to transfer the domain to another DNS provider as we have not found a suitable candidate that meets all our requirements related to anonymity and security.

✅✅✅ This conclusion is incorrect. We have implemented all the necessary security headers, including the Content-Security-Policy header, since the launch of our project. You can verify this here https://securityheaders.com/

✅✅✅ We've made significant improvements to our FAQ section, addressing any previous issues and adding new content. Additionally, we've corrected typos on the website to enhance user experience.

✅✅✅ Our system was initially set up to flag any non-standard behavior as a potential threat, leading to the transaction being marked as an error. Good news is, we've updated this. You can now send transactions and even increase the fee during the process. Our system won't mistake it for a double-spend, and your transaction will go through smoothly. Plus, if there's a transaction cancellation, your order will revert to its initial state, waiting for a new transaction.

✅✅✅ Our system distributes coins using 96 different sending patterns, and yep, that includes sending from various address types. We're all about upping that anonymity game.

✅ Please note that the funds you received were from an address with a much larger sum than you requested for withdrawal. By structuring our pool into levels and using various sources of coins, we aim to protect our pool from de-anonymization, making it more costly to attack. This approach enhances the overall security and privacy of our service.

✅ The minimum receiving address fee is "one of the methods" to protect our pools from de-anonymization, the primary function of which is to make such an attack as expensive as possible.

All other issues you've mentioned have already been addressed and resolved as described in the previous responses.

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✅ It's a part of our SEO strategy! But believe us, in the future, it will be true.

✅ In addition to that, this button does not pass a referer, so your data remains secure (blocked at the security headers level and in the HTML code). :)

✅✅✅ A detailed response to this question has been added to the FAQ section on the project's website.

✅ It's possible there was a connection interruption between your browser and our system's backend, and refreshing the page was a troubleshooting step to address this.

✅✅✅ We've added the option for manual deletion in the support chat.

All other issues you've mentioned have already been addressed and resolved as described in the previous responses.

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✅✅✅ The problem has been resolved.

✅✅✅ A link to your order has been added to the guarantee letter. You can always revisit your order using this link, even after closing your browser tab.

✅✅✅ The problem has been resolved.

✅ We have provided a detailed explanation of how it works and why it is secure in our forum post.

All other issues you've mentioned have already been addressed and resolved as described in the previous responses.

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✅ It's a part of our SEO strategy! But believe us, in the future, it will be true.

⌛⌛⌛ We'll consider adding a convenient notification, but at the moment, we don't see a way to do it without compromising the usability of the site.

✅ The Tumbler code is stored with the user themselves. The code = Reverse Encryption Algorithm ( Deposit key + Total amount ). We do not store deposit amount data and can determine a customer's discount based on the information they provide to us. We have provided a detailed explanation of how it works and why it is secure in our forum post.

✅✅✅ We have added protection, which means that for a certain period, the user will not receive their coins back, even without using the Tumbler code.

✅✅✅ We've already implemented that feature! Now, our system distributes coins using 96 different sending patterns, and yep, that includes sending from various address types.

✅✅✅ We've now updated our platform to display descriptions for all potential errors, so users will have a clearer understanding of what's happening. Plus, if there's a transaction cancellation, your order will revert to its initial state, waiting for a new transaction.


👓 The ORDER-ID is generated independently of any database connection, allowing for the creation of at least 1.000.000.000 unique IDs without impacting the system's performance. It simply generates a valid ID with a signature for your 'future' session using an algorithm-based approach without database involvement. We closely monitored your attempted attack. In the event of a CSRF breach and the initiation of a mass order creation, our protection mechanisms would have been activated, resulting in a denial of service. Additionally, an automatic captcha would have been triggered. Nevertheless, we appreciate your stress test, which has led to many optimizations.

Furthermore, IP blocking based on excessive requests is inherently present but currently disabled. We were curious to see where you would end up :)

Currently, the system is equipped to handle high loads with cluster support and includes features to protect against and filter out malicious traffic. Therefore, there is a possibility that we may no longer need the services of DDOS-Guard in the future.

⌛ According to our task queue, in the future, we plan to add an avatar to the Twitter/X account.

✅✅✅ We have created over 90 transaction sending patterns, each of which operates based on various mixing conditions.

✅✅✅ We have added extensive clarifications to the FAQ section regarding your inquiries related to order timing

All other issues you've mentioned have already been addressed and resolved as described in the previous responses.

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✅✅✅ We have added the option for users to delete their tickets and information about their orders themselves.

✅ We have a system for evaluating the performance of our support team, and we will strive to improve our support system over time to provide better service.

✅✅✅ We have created over 90 transaction sending patterns, each of which operates based on various mixing conditions.

✅✅✅ The problem has been resolved.

✅✅✅ After 24 hours, if we haven't received deposit information, the order is deleted, including the deposit address and its private key. In other words, a refund becomes impossible. Added to FAQ.

✅ The protection will only be activated in the event of an attack, we do not disrupt the use of the service unnecessarily.

All other issues you've mentioned have already been addressed and resolved as described in the previous responses.

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✅ We have provided a detailed explanation of how it works and why it is secure in our forum post.

✅✅✅ We have changed the deposit address to bech32 format, and payments may also come from other types of addresses.

✅✅✅ We have analyzed all Blockchair patterns and made the necessary adjustments.

All other issues you've mentioned have already been addressed and resolved as described in the previous responses.

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✅ This is sepia color, we simply "inverted" the original colors.

✅ We believe it's an excellent service operating in the "right" jurisdiction.

✅😁✅ By choosing DDOS-Guard, we are absolutely sure it's not CloudFlare :)

✅ Our platform is not designed for satisfactory results in systems like AMLBot.
Conduct an experiment, connect 10 different addresses of yours with another 10 new addresses in your wallet in one transaction, after which each address in your wallet will have a 97% risk according to AMLBot's assessment. In this case, the AMLBot system will think that you were trying to use CoinJoin technology. Do you think this is a fair risk assessment?

All other issues you've mentioned have already been addressed and resolved as described in the previous responses.

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😳😷😊 - SEO part.

✅ We consider DDOS-Guard to be a very good service. It is better than its competitors that are located in questionable jurisdictions.

❎ We do not plan to translate the Terms and Privacy (at least for now).

✅ It's possible there was a connection interruption between your browser and our system's backend, and refreshing the page was a troubleshooting step to address this. In the future, there are improvements intended for the part that manages this connection.

✅✊✅ We disagree with you. Currently, our mixing algorithms and payout patterns are the most advanced in the market. In the event of an order, with the recommended mixing settings, you would encounter significant difficulties with de-anonymizing your new addresses as an analyzer.

All other issues you've mentioned have already been addressed and resolved as described in the previous responses.

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✅ Captcha is automatically enabled in case of an abnormal number of new orders.

⌛⌛⌛ Once we're done with all the testing, we'll be boosting our mixing pool.

⌛⌛ In future updates, we will add more technical information to our website about how mixing works.

All other issues you've mentioned have already been addressed and resolved as described in the previous responses.

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✅✅✅ We have analyzed all Blockchair patterns and made the necessary adjustments.

✅✅✅ The problem has been resolved. The chat has been completely redesigned.

All other issues you've mentioned have already been addressed and resolved as described in the previous responses.

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All other issues you've mentioned have already been addressed and resolved as described in the previous responses.

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All other issues you've mentioned have already been addressed and resolved as described in the previous responses.

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⌛⌛⌛ Video is in development. Deadline is by the end of the year.

✅✅✅ We have corrected many texts.

✅✅✅ We've now updated our platform to display descriptions for all potential errors, so users will have a clearer understanding of what's happening.

✅✅✅ The sending system has been revamped.

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✅✅✅ We have added the feature you recommended. Now, you can see the total receiving amount when you increase the number of receiving addresses. We hope this makes tracking your payments and fees more convenient.

✅✅✅ We've added a feature that allows you to use the left and right arrow keys on your keyboard to make more precise adjustments to the sliders in the mixing form. This should provide a more accurate way to set the desired percentage.

⌛⌛⌛ We appreciate your suggestion, and we plan to add the functionality to send messages by pressing the Enter key on the keyboard in the future. Your input helps us improve the user experience.

✅✅✅ We have updated the logo for "X", to ensure it is current and accurate, as you suggested.

✅✅✅ We have added links to the service thread on the BitcoinTalk forum for easier access and convenience for our users.

✅✅✅ The sentence has been corrected.

✅✅✅ We have corrected these details in the website text.

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Thanks to all the testers, we've tried to resolve all possible issues, and a tremendous amount of work has been done.
We look forward to the second round of testing!
Thank you all!

I am amazed to see the work you guys have put and I can see the devotion, I am excited to use this mixer again, with all new improvements. I am very happy to hear that, my suggestions were of great help. Your feedback meant a lot, I don't think I see something like this before. You guys did great work. And keep the spirits up  ;)

The site definitely shows a lot of improvement now, great work.

It is also nice to see that you took all the suggestions and tried to implement them as best as possible. We also appreciate the update here.
As Faisal stated, I have also never seen so much work put into something after asking for some reviews here. That really shows your devotion.

[banned mixer] launches the [banned mixer] Mixer Review#2! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5470952.0)
Leave your applications and take part.
We are looking forward to confirming the list of members.
Good luck to all the applicants!

Could you please explain how front-end Javascript enhances user's anonymity? As far as I know, it can only hurt it: https://tor.stackexchange.com/a/21987. And if you don't mind, how it protects the server's anonymity?

Apologies. You have indeed implemented Content Security Policy:

The funds I received in the second mixing were literally taken by the change of the first mixing. That is absolutely unacceptable if I'm requesting from your service to have my coins received in multiple addresses. The whole point of using multiple addresses (AKA, split mixing), is to not reveal common ownership.

Are there any significantly big changes and improvements with your service from last time you organized review campaign?
First review campaign was only few months ago if I remember correctly.

Since it will not be removed, is there a guarantee that the lifetime discount does not affect privacy.

The problem was that I did the mixing process twice, two minutes apart. I completed the first, and after two minutes, a new mixing process began with the same value as the previous one. The problem was that I got my coins from the address of the previous mixing process. In other words, you either have a software problem or you have a problem with the reserves.

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I have visited the site and there are updates, will try to test it again and I wish you success.

Actually the first review campaign was exactly 3 weeks ago, not a few months.
And yes, they made a lot of changes already, I had a quick look some days ago and many addressed problems have been given improvements.

I also applied for the 2nd review campaign, maybe I can test it again but if not that's fine.

I apologize for the delays in responses; to be honest, project tasks take precedence at the moment.

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JavaScript plays a crucial role in the operation of our service. Apart from handling backend security against DDoS attacks, complicating the creation of phishing sites, and enhancing usability, the use of JavaScript allows us to maintain a "competitive advantage in terms of security and anonymity" for both us and our clients. Security experts, upon a thorough "review" of the project, will understand the specifics of what is being discussed. It doesn't make sense to publicly disclose all the security methods of our project.


As mentioned earlier in the report, we have made changes to this section. Now, for a specified period, deposit funds are temporarily held for all clients.


@icopress ...


We have provided a detailed explanation of how the Tumbler code operates in previous messages. Unlike the "conventional" approach, our method is secure.


As mentioned in the report earlier, we have made changes to this section. Now, for a specified period, your deposit funds are temporarily locked for all clients.

Before, if you didn't use the tumbler code and sent coins in a similar amount to a prior deposit, your coins could be selected for payment to another client, possibly you.
and this is perfectly reasonable, logical, and correct...


Thank you for your previous review. Like all our other contributors, you've played a part in improving our project :)
Now, we'd like to hear feedback from new testers.

The questions and suggestions from the testers of the first (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5467984.0) and second (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5470952.0) Review are collected below.

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✅✅✅ Added this feature.

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✅✅✅ This error might occur if you try to leave a page while a form is still loading. We've added a warning to address this situation.


✅✅✅ We added an icon to highlight this text :)


✅❎ We use adaptive web design to ensure pages look consistent in modern browsers our clients use. Usability tests guided information block placement. We'll keep testing new layouts, potentially modifying some blocks in the future.


✅✅✅ The full page address is repeated in the letter of guarantee. A separate page for entering the order ID seems unnecessary to us.


❎ ! Unable to reproduce this error. There may have been connection interruptions between your browser and our website.


✅✅✅  We cannot and should not alter the final incoming amount.
If a user wishes to receive exactly 0.001, it is their choice. We merely provide a warning about how such a transfer will be treated.
For instance, if they need to pay for a service that requires an exact amount, altering it would cause problems.

! Additionally, the calculator is available at every mixing stage, providing a warning about the recommended transfer amount just before the transfer.


✅✅✅ I don't find anything suspicious. In fact:

1. I can't identify the recipient here (similar to Blockchair).
2. This isn't the usual mixer behavior; typically, it follows a 1-2 pattern.

Excellent work! :)


✅✅✅ You know that you used a mixer, so it's likely to assume that the addresses from which the funds were received also belong to the mixer and could have been used for payouts before, possibly including you.
Still, it's very suspicious, possibly a negative experience. Noted. ;)  ;D

✅✅✅ We believe it's a great feature. More details are available in the FAQ section.

⌛⌛⌛ Added to the task list.

You certainly can for the transactions that had these 3 small inputs, in other words, you revealed the recipient address of my first mix.

more details:

This was my first mix

https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/29cecb7abf2b2455ac842f0f2ca20bc64eeafa650244f100dc2ec248549de845

this was my address


and this was the change address owned by you


up to this point, it's very difficult to tell which address was the change address.


And then there is this mix (not mine)

https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/6d08da9665e39843ffd02d67d544e030f8ca3e4f82910a74299debbe13bab0ae

and this (not mine)

https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/4b376658c9932523c06055facd620cfe243042bfc51e6697249467fbaf194f9f


All the way before the last transaction, we had no way of telling what the change address was for all of these 3 mixes, but now after this transaction

https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/c9a3b09f602b02c433f11fed1e5cc5c1e1207c8c71b34539b0e01445eb04f2db

We know that these 3 inputs belong to the same person, and thus in all of the 3 previous transactions the other 3 addresses were not the change addresses.

So now I know this address

bc1qpweug4vt3pqxfyrl48huppeuhy0xl59c235jxh

and this address

bc1qscpqkpclc6vrucwfmznfzpak4r8942xhvcc2w4

were the recipients of those two transactions, you revealed this piece of info to me for no apparent good reason (or at least one which I don't see).

had you not consolidate those 3 inputs in a mixed transaction that I received, I wouldn't be able to tell the change address of the other 2 addresses (which I don't own)

Obviously, I don't know of other ways to consolidate those small inputs on-chain without revealing the same thing, eventually, when they are consolidated you would reveal the change address of all the other transactions in the same manner, it would just be harder to analyze this information had you waited a little longer before consolidating.

Furthermore, the transaction behavior itself looks suspicious, a normal transaction from a normal wallet would have only included the large input which was larger than the desired output, and the 3 smaller outputs were not even enough to match that anyway.

I do understand that most mixing isn't done so that nobody can tell it's a mixer transaction, the goal is to break the connection between the coins you send and the coins you receive, which you did manage to achieve based on my analysis, I just think that if someone is digging deeper to find out all of this info, it would be wiser to make things more difficult for them even by a small degree.

 

First off, we're not a CoinJoin mixer.
We operate on a client-to-client basis.
When a user opts for the "premium" level, investor coins are added to the pool.
Let's make a note of that!

Next, I'm not quite following your suggestions regarding improving anonymity.

Our current mixer setup completely severs the connection between your coins.
You might see past transactions from the payout address, but those aren't your coins, right?

Let me let you in on a "secret": when using the Tumbler code, you're guaranteed not to receive your own coins back, even after a thousand "payout-change" iterations.
Even if your coins were partially transferred to another client, using the Tumbler code ensures you'll never get back the coins that remained in the service as change. To me, that sounds pretty fantastic, not "not strong anonymity".

You're deeply mistaken if you think you can achieve the same level of anonymity just using your own wallet. Mathematically, it's just not possible.

First off, our current mixer pool already contains hundreds of addresses with various balances. After testing, that number will soar into the thousands. Try mixing any amount different from your last transaction, and you'll see entirely different addresses. Of course, when testing with amounts like 0.001 BTC, the service won't pay you from an address with a 1 BTC balance. It adjusts according to your amount. In this context, it's plausible that without using the Tumbler code, you might come across your old address someday.

The solution is in place; for maximum anonymity, use the Tumbler code.

THE ESSENCE OF A GOOD MIXER IS TO HAVE A LARGE COIN POOL AND A SYSTEM THAT PROPERLY DISTRIBUTES COINS AMONG CLIENTS.

At present, we only use 10 BTC, but after testing, we'll SIGNIFICANTLY expand the pool. As for the system, it's fully implemented.

From what I gather, you suggest a "payout -> coinjoin -> payout" scheme? That's a pretty bad idea. Not a single verified exchange will accept your coins. The UniJoin mixer already operates on this scheme: after mixing with them, your coins will instantly be flagged with a 97% risk on the AML bot and similar systems, marked as "COINJOIN". CoinJoin schemes are easily detected, and such coins will attract undue attention. Tx (http://blkchairbknpn73cfjhevhla7rkp4ed5gg2knctvv7it4lioy22defid.onion/bitcoin/transaction/ef6e28c9d7b418a559e4cc253b7bbe626cb52eae09b5595f08a98540d0035742).

You've got the MixTum mixer in your signature. I assume nobody forced you to promote that particular mixer, so it's a conscious choice, right? Did you test it before showcasing it in your signature? That mixer sources its payouts from the Huobi exchange, and what's more, all client payouts come from a single address with a "large balance", until it's depleted. Test it for yourself – due to the significant initial balance, you can track their payout history for several weeks! Is that what you call anonymity?

And with that, I'm directly addressing your question about the 0.0002 BTC fee for each receiving address.

In our case, to get a list of all our current addresses (to stage an attack on our pool), one would need to make hundreds of orders with different amounts, paying roughly $5+ for each payout, plus the service fee (and that wouldn't even scratch a tenth of our pool post-testing). Given that different security levels have separate coin pools, such an attack becomes extremely costly. No analytics-type organization will bother with that.
Using your mixer as an example: to de-anonymize all its users in recent weeks, it would take $10-20, right?

Trust us, we've explored all possible operational methods, scrutinized "every competitor" out there.
Our current system is the only one that truly works without any harmful side effects, and most importantly,
it's a real thorn in the side for analytic companies.

Analyzing blockchain transactions becomes significantly easier once it's known that you've used a mixer :). Naturally, this grants access to scrutinize past transactions. However, in most cases, after just the second iteration, it becomes challenging to distinguish between the recipient and the change.

Purely mathematically, for a more paranoid approach, using CoinJoin after each payout is tempting to ensure there's no chance of reviewing clients' past transactions.

But here, two immediate issues arise:

1. In this operation, you're immediately exposing not one client of the mixer but hundreds (Example Tx (http://blkchairbknpn73cfjhevhla7rkp4ed5gg2knctvv7it4lioy22defid.onion/bitcoin/privacy-o-meter/a96af3cf1b0017fe6d09050535e4a2a1d376278106dff4a7a90ff532b92cbfa2)).
2. Your coins will receive a 100% risk rating in AML bots and similar systems, making them unacceptable to any verified exchange or trading platform.

An effective mixer's goal is to disconnect your old and new coins, and we achieve this fully.

We're having a disagreement in a fundamental level; you're buying the notion that coins are tainted. Every action of your service is done under the premise that the mixed coins must be treated as "non-tainted" by blockchain analysis companies. I don't buy that notion, and don't interact with services that will deem my coins as that. Usually, they're just centralized exchanges, which I avoid as I trade decentrally.

To me, the point of a mixer is to make it as hard as possible for a third party to tell which outputs correspond to which inputs. Period. "AML scores", "tainted coins" and the like, are all inaccurate, made-up nonsense that undermine Bitcoin as currency and attack our privacy.

Revealing which addresses belong to a mixer doesn't hurt its clients anonymization, just as revealing which inputs are coinjoined doesn't make the outputs de-anonymized. It's just making it apparent that the clients used a mixer / coinjoined, which in the eyes of chain analysis that is deemed as "tainting". Otherwise, I strongly recommend you to get rid of a competitor with just $20 in expenses.

In the current reality, it's no longer easy to just rely on CoinJoin. You use decentralized exchanges without KYC, which makes CoinJoin a suitable option for you. But how many share your situation? Maybe just 0.01%?


I agree, but that's the situation right now. Sadly, we might eventually see miners being mandated to include transactions only from verified sources in blocks :)

CoinJoin doesn't sever the link between your old and new coins.

For example, you have 1 BTC, and it's publicly known to belong to you. I also have 1 BTC, publicly known to be mine. After a CoinJoin transaction to 10 addresses (0.2 coins each), all 10 addresses receive the marker "Yours and Mine" (50/50), but this doesn't mean the marker disappears.
This is why CoinJoin services function without a hitch; it's just too easy to monitor them.

In our case, the connection is entirely severed.

I don't know the number. What I do know is that it's our responsibility to educate newbies about these solutions, and to not give up everything on their naivety. We should not be endorsing the usage of a service which is treating the currency as non-fungible with evidently inaccurate data (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5464886.0).

You don't agree when you're running a business which is based under the premise that taint exists. You're supporting it.

I won't derail this further. It's just sad how some people don't appreciate the censorship resistance this network provides in such efficient and effective manner.

To some extent, we've implemented what you need. In reality, please test our service in one month, and you'll see that previous transactions will no longer have the same obvious 1-2 pattern. It takes time to create pools and make transactions less conspicuous. Notice that in your review, you mentioned transactions that occurred before the update. We cannot modify the blockchain.

It's clear that AML scores are made up bullshit but that is how it is. When you play their game, you have to follow their rules. I think there are too many people that use centralized exchanges because they are fast, easy to use and offer many services that you can't find on DEX.
So, in the end, many people prefer their coins to be clean without tag that it was mixed, because, mixing sounds bad.

It doesn't hurt your anonymity but it hurts you when you want to use centralized exchange. I know, solution is to use DEX but here we talk about people, tons of people who use CEX. You can't force people to use DEX, right? So you have to adapt your service.

To which update are you referring to?

Let's ignore for a moment that buying "taint" is harmful for Bitcoin, and that we should opt out using services which treat the currency in such an unfair manner. How do you adapt into something completely non-transparent?

That is a question for [banned mixer]. How do you make sure that your "AML scoring" is acceptable? From the link I mentioned above, the chairmen of chain analysis companies have clarified they won't let anyone audit their software code. You practically have no manner to confirm that they won't be flagged by the chain analysis software, as you don't even know which software is used in the first place. Binance might be using software X, Huobi software Y, Kraken Z etc. We frequently notice coins being deemed as "tainted" from one exchange, and at the same time "clean" by another.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5467457.msg63044753#msg63044753


We have already answered this question above.


We are sure (through testing) that using CoinJoin "completely" is not possible because it becomes a 100% pattern in systems like AML bot and Chainalysis. After today's update, our system uses a hybrid approach, but it will take time for you to notice the difference as new transaction chains are formed.

We're not trying to achieve a favorable AML score by giving up full CoinJoin. We're adapting to the current situation. Everyone has learned to detect it and label those transactions negatively. Why bother with that? We can take a different approach.

I know, because the point of coinjoin is to create fungible coins which follow the exact same pattern. X inputs which are owned by several entities are consolidated, creating Y outputs. This process provably obfuscates the ownership. The fact that AML bots treat these as "100% tainted" tells a lot about the mixing effectiveness. They cannot tell who's who, and thus, treat the entire set of outputs as "tainted", which is beyond insane.

Until when is the question. You're a privacy-focused service which tries to adapt with anti-privacy organization that rely on utter guesswork, which I find fundamentally erroneous. You say that you want to adapt, I'm genuinely curious with what estimations you base your work since anything can be treated as "tainted" by these people with no justification given.

To me, it seems that you've observed which techniques are considered "red flags" by their software, and you try to mitigate to alternative privacy methods. Is that it?

@BlackHatCoiner
What you say is true, I understand this, the whole purpose of bitcoin mixer is to make your coins untraceable. You, the person who uses decentralized exchanges, has nothing to worry about but there are people who use centralized exchanges because of many reasons, some of them I already listed in my previous post.
Let's say that despite the fact that I use centralized exchange, I don't want to be totally tracked and want to have my private space. So, I have a bitcoin wallet that is not associated with me and I protect my privacy there but now I need to cash some of my coins and I have to deposit them on Coinbase but I don't want to reveal myself. What do I do in this case? I mix coins on a mixer that offers me coins that will pass AML bots, that's all. When I withdraw from Coinbase, I don't care about that problem, that only arises when I have to deposit on Coinbase. Coinbase is just an example in this case and nothing more or less.

Man, there is a huge problem in crypto world right now. I respect the fundamentals of bitcoin and use it to gain its advantage but centralized entities are taking it over and people prefer easy and comfortable service instead of slightly more complex one. Bitcoin, that was decentralized, is getting centralized. Mining is already centralized, you can't mine it at home, only huge corporations can mine bitcoin. Exchanges are getting regulated, casinos ask your for KYC documents, Ledger implements paid backup subscription for self-custody wallets. You see, this is not decentralization, this is taking over. It looks like centralized entity controlling decentralized coin, totally has it in its territory. So, at this time, demand and supply changes and now, like you said, privacy-focused service tries to adapt with anti-privacy organizations because of high demand, that's all.

You cannot simultaneously protect your privacy and use Coinbase. You have to pick either your privacy or Coinbase.

We've talked about this in another thread. You cannot hide the fact that you protect your privacy, and nor should you. Coinbase has made it abundantly clear that mixed coins are unacceptable, because they treat every coin they cannot track as morally incorrect. Why are you trying to deceive Coinbase into thinking your coins are not mixed, and not skip it altogether and move to an environment that respects your privacy?

Centralized entities are not so powerful anymore, because we have developed decentralized solutions that work.

If you find it so difficult to use Bisq, then just select an exchange which doesn't treat its users as shit. There's a variety of non-KYC: https://kycnot.me/. As I've said before, the only excuse to using a popular, regulated CEX over non-KYC, is shitcoins.

No problem.
I would like to give another try in testing Tumbler with a second review, and I hope to see some improvements this time.

Because some people coins gets confiscated on centralized exchange that is related with this bad score.

And, to my great regret, there's nothing that can be done about it. Such systems will continue to operate, and over time, their numbers will grow. I'm afraid to predict, but it seems to me that the next step is mandatory verification of transactions by miners before adding them to blocks :)


We tested a vast number of transactions in the AML bot. In reality, their system is quite simple. It's all based on the concept of good and bad. For instance, if you have 1 BTC with a 100% risk after CoinJoin, it's enough to mix this address with another 1 BTC from a verified exchange to reduce the risk to 50%.

In our system, we eliminated the most obvious patterns for identifying bad coins and configured payout logic based on Blockchair patterns. The result is a very effective system that, with a large pool of coins and a growing customer base, will become the best of its kind.

Yes, there is. Don't use services which discriminate their clients if they use privacy protecting tools.

Shouldn't you clarify in your main page which exchanges are tested? As I already told you, we frequently notice coins being treated as tainted by one exchange while being acceptable by another. For example, your mixed coins might be acceptable by Binance, but not by Coinbase.

You should also clarify that; "Our anonymizing meter is based on Blockchair's software".

If you're going to follow that route, you need to be transparent with your clients. "We base our work on this", "We have tested this", etc. Otherwise once a client gets their coins rejected sometime (i.e., because of an AML bot update), you will be called a bad service.

I was doing a review for the current campaign, and I was almost sure that I had forgotten to write something. This KingsDen's case reminded me of one thing and I will write it here, rather than edit my review.
Your website lacks some kind of notification, where you would emphasize which are the only official channels of communication with support. I think that in your case it is certainly important because you do not have an official Telegram channel, which is quite unusual. Ideal for impersonators to trick new users who won't recognize the fake channel.

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Now, DDOS-Guard or any other service providing DDoS protection won't be able to intercept our clients' data.

Here's how it works:

- When placing an order in the browser environment, a pair of 2048-bit RSA keys is generated (ClientPublicKey and ClientPrivateKey).
- Inside our JavaScript, there is our system's public key (SystemPublicKey).
- When placing an order, the client's browser encrypts the transmitted data using our public key (SystemPublicKey). Only we can decrypt this data because only we have the private key (SystemPrivateKey).
- In response from the server, the client also receives encrypted data, which was encrypted using the client's public key (ClientPublicKey). Only the client can decrypt the received data because only they have the private key (ClientPrivateKey).
- In addition, it is impossible to intercept order addresses by inspecting HTTP requests. OrderID is simply absent in the requests.

Encryption has been implemented for all critical parts of the project, namely:

- Order creation
- Order page
- Downloading a Letter of Guarantee
- Using the tumbler code
- Support

We would appreciate any feedback related to this update (primarily of a technical nature).

After reading some observations, I had a doubt:
If the user chooses the Security level Premium option, does this mean that all their coins come from an exchange? If yes, which one?

As it was mentioned before in this thread, "When a user opts for the "premium" level, investor coins are added to the pool". The premium pool contains the system's private resources and investor's bitcoins.

Hello everyone,

A detailed roundup of the enhancements made, all inspired by your feedback to [banned mixer] Bitcoin Mixer Review#2 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5470952.0) is postponed to next week.
It will take a little bit more time to bring your proposed ideas to perfection.

I recently made a review for Tumbler and at that time the fee for every receiving address was 0.0002 BTC but today when I checked it again it is increased to 0.0003 BTC.

https://i.ibb.co/TYjBfJJ/fee.png

https://[banned mixer]/fee

I wonder if you announced this change and what could be the reason for increasing this fee  ???

As you may have noticed, over the past week, transaction fees in the Bitcoin network have increased approximately tenfold.
On average, the recommended fee in recent days has been over 200 satoshis per byte.

https://mempool.space/block/00000000000000000003d77c88d89022c1a4be6271cef2511883228277bcaa14

Considering the size of our average transaction at 250-300 bytes, we find that we occasionally pay over 0.0006 BTC for a transfer, while charging the user 0.0003 BTC.

Once transaction fees normalize, we will reduce the fee in our system.

First of all, if you did put a change in the fee, it would have been good if you tell us here also on the ANN thread so we know about it.

Secondly, you are also charging 0.4% the minimum fee, meaning the fee is being charged in percentage so doesn't that compensate for the higher tx fee too ?
It was already highlighed by many reviewers that as they add the addresses to mix, this 0.002 BTC 0.0003 BTC, amounts too much higher and it discourages users who want to mix small amount of Bitcoins.



From 200+ tx fee, we are now back to around 25-26 bytes,

https://mempool.space/block/00000000000000000003b38d5b19bc529acf344e2447b81c2e2f9263be5ff896

:)


Firstly, we don't always make a profit.

Let's do some basic math. You deposit the minimum amount of 0.001, and our profit is 0.4%, which is 0.00000400 BTC. We spend 0.0006 on the transaction, while charging the user 0.0003. We end up with a loss of -0.000296.

Of course, there are orders for larger amounts. It's for this reason that we don't set the commission at 0.0006; in other words, 0.0003 a reasonable compensation takes place.


Your advice has been noted.


Firstly, if you had actually used similar services, you would know that this fee is one of the lowest in the market.
Secondly, the vast majority of those who suggested reducing the commission from testers, claiming that they are large, also did not use similar services before because there was no elementary comparison of the service parameters with competitors.

In other words, unfortunately, some testers did not perform well in the testing task, and not everything that testers write should be taken into account.


Our system does not rely on https://mempool.space. I was just trying to point out the weekly trend, which was hard to ignore if you use cryptocurrencies.
For obtaining the recommended fee, we use other, more reliable methods. At the moment, we do not observe a significant decrease under conditions of guaranteed confirmation in 2 blocks.

It might happen in the next 5 minutes, but not yet ;)  The adjustment of the fee in our system will occur automatically.

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We are very busy and working hard to improve the system. Sorry. It's not always possible to respond promptly to forum questions.
In the coming week (hopefully), we will prepare a detailed report.

In this sense, I would like to make a suggestion:
Next to this fee field, place a small message like: "fee automatically adjustable, according to measured sat/byte costs of transactions"

Something like this, just for the user to be aware that this value can change, and choose to do the mix at that moment (because they think it will go up) or wait a while (because they think it will go down).

Either way, thanks for the explanation. Continuation of a good work.

In general, a large number of constructive suggestions were accepted and implemented in part or in full. It seems that the review campaign gave quite a good result. At least as far as I noticed.
As far as I know, a signature campaign is also being prepared, so I believe that we can expect a more significant update by then.

I think it's been more than a month since they ran a contest for avatar and signature design here in BitcoinTalk. Until now they still haven't started the signature campaign. It seems they changed their mind about running a marketing campaign here in BitcoinTalk. Good thing OP is still active; they just haven't posted updates or bumped the thread daily.

At the closing of the second round of the review campaign, the launch of the signature advertising program was announced. That was about 10 days ago. I think it is too early to write off such a possibility.

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✅ We've fixed the issue. Now, you should be able to complete the captcha step without any errors, regardless of the browser you're using.


✅ We've made changes and added an icon to make it more visible. Now, the prompt to download the Letter of guarantee before a transfer should be noticeably clearer than the deposit information.


✅ Our usability tests have shown that there are no issues with focusing attention on this particular section at any resolution. We have designed the layout to ensure that all important elements are easily accessible and visible to our users.


✅ Your link is duplicated on the mixing page as well as in the Letter of guarantee. This ensures that even if you close the page by mistake, you can easily find your way back to your order without needing to contact the support team.


✅ We've fixed the issue. Now, the timer on the order page will correctly reflect the transaction status, stopping once the transaction is received.


✅ This information is available at every stage of mixing. We ensure that all necessary details are prominently displayed throughout the process, providing our users with clear guidance at each step.


✅ We have over 90 patterns for processing transactions. Sometimes, it happens that three smaller outputs are consolidated, which is a part of our sophisticated transaction processing system. This approach helps us achieve the highest level of privacy for our users.


✅ We have plans to add three more languages to the website.

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✅ Thank you for such a clear explanation of the issue. There are no errors in these particular places; it's the website's protection against spam attacks that is activating. After successfully completing the captcha, your session is assigned a one-time unique key used for form submission. Changing the language (essentially refreshing the page) resets your current session and deletes all keys. As you've noticed, all the mixing stages are dynamically loaded (using Asynchronous JavaScript and XML (AJAX)), and with the current project architecture, it's impossible to implement language change while preserving the entire progress of form filling. In other words, it's impossible to restore form-filling progress at stages that don't require refreshing the browser page and are loaded dynamically.


✅ This block was intentionally hidden, as it does not carry any functional load and does not require the client's focused attention. We have removed the transparency, but the size has not been changed. :)


✅ Until the introduction of Taproot support, this might have been relevant, but at the moment our system supports all possible types of addresses. Adding this information now would be redundant.


✅ We thought it would be more convenient this way, but judging by customer feedback, it didn't work out. We have removed them. :)


✅ That's funny, we've fixed it. We've disabled the ability to pin windows.


✅ We have already described this issue above. It's due to the dynamic nature of our system.


✅ The tumbler code is not connected to your current order. After deleting your order, your code will still work.
We are planning to release two important articles with illustrations soon:

1. How the Bitcoin mixer [banned mixer] works.
2. What is a Tumbler code and how does it work.

We will try to explain in detail how our project works as a whole and its individual modules.


✅ We've made a change. Information about your order will be deleted, but there will no longer be an automatic redirect to the homepage.


✅ We've fixed the issue you mentioned. The language change functionality now works correctly across all elements of the homepage, including the top logo and other sections.


✅ To make address verification more accessible, we have now introduced an "offline" version of this feature
/verify]https://[banned mixer]/verify (https://[banned mixer)


✅ Added to the home page


✅ We've heard your feedback and have decided to temporarily remove the Twitter icon. Currently, we are focusing our resources on other aspects of our service, but we do plan to revisit and expand our presence on additional social networks in the future. Thank you for bringing this to our attention, and we appreciate your understanding as we work to enhance our user experience.


✅ We've added links to the forum and reviews directly within the text that you mentioned. You can now verify our service and interact with the community through these links. The text that you referred to has been created as an SEO block with the relevant tasks in mind.


✅ With the recent update, we have resolved this issue, ensuring a smoother user experience.


✅ We've made the necessary adjustments to prevent language settings from resetting when working with the chat feature. Now, when you create or delete a chat, your language preference will remain unchanged.


✅ We appreciate your feedback and plan to have all the original texts undergo additional review. In any case, thank you for the corrections you've provided! We have made the necessary changes and addressed the issues you highlighted.

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✅ Most of the issues have been addressed in the previous stage of testing, and no significant problems have been identified.

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✅ We have decided to temporarily remove the Twitter icon. Currently, we are focusing our resources on other aspects of our service, but we do plan to revisit and expand our presence on additional social networks in the future.


✅ In the near future, all texts will be reviewed and corrected by native speakers of each language.

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✅ You've created not just a review but an excellent article. You have a talent for writing beautifully. :)

Regarding the issues you mentioned, most of them were addressed during the previous testing phase. Any remaining problems have been fixed and described in detail above, and no significant issues were identified.

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✅ Most of the issues have been addressed in the previous stage of testing, and no significant problems have been identified.

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✅ We plan to provide a more detailed explanation of how the Letter of guarantee works within the letter itself :) We've also added the ability to verify Letters on the website.

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✅ We plan to add an article about the Tumbler code to the website, and we've duplicated the order information in the Letter of guarantee.

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✅ Most of the issues have been addressed in the previous stage of testing, and no significant problems have been identified.

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✅ Most of the issues have been addressed in the previous stage of testing, and no significant problems have been identified.

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✅ Most of the issues have been addressed in the previous stage of testing, and no significant problems have been identified.

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✅ The loading process occurs dynamically using encryption and a secure data transmission protocol, so the speed is optimized for maximum security.


✅ From a usability perspective, even something as simple as a CAPTCHA can impact conversion rates. Introducing another mandatory step would likely reduce the number of orders.

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✅ Most of the issues have been addressed in the previous stage of testing, and no significant problems have been identified.

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✅ Most of the issues have been addressed in the previous stage of testing, and no significant problems have been identified.

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✅ Most of the issues have been addressed in the previous stage of testing, and no significant problems have been identified.

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✅ Most of the issues have been addressed in the previous stage of testing, and no significant problems have been identified.

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✅ This issue has been addressed and fixed.

✅ Most of the issues have been addressed in the previous stage of testing, and no significant problems have been identified.

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✅ It's not possible (without obtaining autoplay authorization from the user) to implement this feature due to browser limitations.


✅ We will describe this in a future article on the website.

✅ Most of the issues have been addressed in the previous stage of testing, and no significant problems have been identified.

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✅ Most of the issues have been addressed in the previous stage of testing, and no significant problems have been identified.

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✅ Most of the issues have been addressed in the previous stage of testing, and no significant problems have been identified.

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✅ Most of the issues have been addressed in the previous stage of testing, and no significant problems have been identified.

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✅ We answered this above, thank you for the tests!

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Summary.

1. Almost every tester emphasized the importance of the Tumbler code explanation. We will prepare a detailed article on how it works. In a nutshell, it's an important module that ensures secure operation with the system.
2. We are aware of translation issues, and native speakers are already working on corrections.
3. Over the course of two testing phases, we have completed over 200 tasks.

Tasks in the queue:

1. Partner program
2. API
3. Additional texts on the homepage, new articles
4. Additional languages
5. Editing all texts by native speakers

At the moment, we believe the system is ready for full operation. We have increased reserves for mixing to 150 coins, with more than 350 coins remaining in cold wallets in case of reserve shortages with a small number of clients at the initial stage of operation.

We will be launching a signature campaign in the near future.

Thank you all for participating in the testing!

...We've got some super cool news to share! Our team has finally completed that video for our website's homepage you've all been wondering about. Your enthusiasm and patience haven't gone unnoticed, so a huge thanks for sticking with us!

/video/bitcoin_mixer.mp4]https://i.ibb.co/zm4m8P3/bitcoin-mixer-tumbler-io.jpg (https://[banned mixer)

We're stoked to hear what you think, so feel free to drop your thoughts after!

8/10. Great work from the team.
I particularly like how the people snooping in on your privacy are made to be the "wrong doers" and not those who are seeking anonymity.

Good graphics too.

- Jay -

Thank you for the feedback, and congratulations on the video, the final result was very positive.

That "play" button was really starting to gather dust.  ;D

I'm sorry, I forgot to mention this a moment ago:


My idea is for the user to be able to choose this option. In other words, you can create this option that is activated/deactivated by the end user in their browser.
Either way, it's not an important resource, and so I understand your point.





I didn't ask when I did the review, but are you thinking about implementing Portugues (Portugal)?

We find your idea interesting.
Our team will need a bit of time to consider this opportunity.  ;)

Hello everyone,

We're thrilled to announce that our service has just launched the [banned mixer] Signature Campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5475589.0)!
We're inviting all interested users to join us in this exciting venture.
This is a great opportunity to engage with our latest offerings and be a part of something special.
If you're interested in participating or want to learn more, please feel free to reach out Royce777.

We look forward to having you on board!

I like the video and your superhero character, but there are some altcoin blockchains that are private ;)
If you dont mind making one suggestion, I really think you need to have better logo for your service, and I am the right logo designer for you.
Contact me if you want me to make something that works and looks better, and I hope we can create something unique for you.
I am offering special discount for one more day, and you can check some logo designs I made for bitcointalk talk members: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5448964

I have been watching this service throughout its review campaign and after due diligence, have applied to the signature campaign. There is not much at all that I have found to be potentially non-factual on the website, and overall the site looks like it does as it says. Pros, hybrid version of coinjoin, a straight-forward way to measure the anonymity you will get from the service, and clear statements as to how all kinds of data are handled.

Of course, if there was a non-javascript version available in the future, this would particularly be another pro. This should be a priority.

However
There is one very bold claim that would actually required quite a technical way of working, which I am struggling to wrap my head around:


Is this talking just about the website/database, or does this claim also extend to the Bitcoin node(s) being used to run the service? As deleting individual addresses from the wallet.dat in the Bitcoin node has been reported to be not possible on a command-line/operational level, you would need to delete the wallet every time and restart the node, which would be seemingly infeasible for a mixer/tumbler to achieve as this would cause constant node disruption...Unless [banned mixer] can additionally claim to have also created a way to create/delete wallets automatically within the node without disrupting system operation?


Reference: Solved: List & delete addresses from command line (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=911735.0)

Maybe after this amount of time you can do this without shutting down/restarting the node (not confirmed) however, could this be explained?

This is a minute detail that after careful analysis, is currently the only thing I could find to be clarified - aside from a careful analysis of the mixing algorithms will be needed to, which I will happily do in the future for the community and service in spare time.

In the meantime, good luck with the service, campaign and please keep the community safe and satisfied in the long run :)

It's gratifying to know that someone is interested in the technical details we describe in our texts :)


This is a simple but crucial part of security.

From our "tests" we haven't found any project that has thought about this feature.
Probably, this feature isn't implemented due to specific 'technical challenges,' like using addresses from different wallets at the same time when creating transactions.
However, we've fully implemented this feature.

In short, we regularly switch wallets.

Everything happens automatically. For example, today deposit addresses come from wallet1, and change also goes to wallet1. Tomorrow, deposit addresses come from wallet2, and change also goes to wallet2. When all addresses from wallet1 are used, we remove that wallet.

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p.s

This part is also crucial because without the ability to use addresses from different wallets when forming transactions, we wouldn't be able to fully implement transaction generation based on Blockchair patterns.

This was easily noticeable during tests when transactions described by our testers were formed using addresses of different types. At that moment, we simply took addresses from different wallets.

for example,

out   | in
3....  | bc1..
bc1.. | client
bc1.. | 3..

I completely agree, I haven't seen any mixer claim it just yet or else I believe I'd have asked the same question. If so, it has gone over my head or there were more pressing things to ask about them.


This is on the money as well. Great job, truly. Your answers makes perfect sense and there isn't much for me to come back with in response. You have shown a good example of the careful crafting that is behind the sleek front-end with your explanation, kudos to both the work and the response, and I look forward to testing the service further in the future!

I have seen this animated video and really loved the Tumbler Character and costume in the video.  :)

A great piece of thought process as the message is also conveyed in a lighter mode.

https://i.ibb.co/wcz2fWJ/Tumbler.png

Hi UmerIdrees,

Thanks a ton for the shout-out on our video! We really put in a lot of effort to make it straightforward and easy to grasp. It's super cool to hear you liked it. We aimed to break down our Bitcoin anonymizing service’s key goals in a fun, animated way - glad it caught your eye and gave you something to think about!

Your positive vibes mean a lot to us. It's feedback like yours that keeps us pumped and ready to create more awesome stuff.

I'm grateful and excited to be one of the participants of your signature campaign, I've checked the site and I can say that it has a good design, and is newbie-friendly everything a newbie wants to know about how a mixer works is easily explained and the video summarizes it all.

The mixing industry is highly competitive but how you present your platform makes it a cut above the rest, looking forward to [banned mixer] as one of the leading brands in the community when it comes to Bitcoin mixer.

Hey everyone,

Until 31st of December we have new conditions  [banned mixer] Signature Campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5475589.0)!:

Legendary payroll: $10.00 per post
Hero payroll: $8.00 per post
Sr. Member payroll: $6.00 per post
Maximum 25 posts to get paid.

 ;)

I believe up to 60 posts per week will be paid.  ;)
edit: You're serious about this though

Now a serious question, how much will this decision affect your future business?
I assume that the presence on the Bitcointalk forum was a significant part of your service presentation strategy. It is even the only channel for communication through this forum. I understand if it is too early or too public for this kind of discussion.
Looks like you'll need to integrate an affiliate program ASAP though.

Hello Everyone,

We understand that changes in strategy, especially those involving platforms like the Bitcointalk forum, can raise questions about the future direction and impact on our service. However, I'm happy to reassure you that everything is progressing smoothly and according to plan.

Our presence on the Bitcointalk forum has indeed been a significant part of our strategy, but rest assured, the current situation on the forum will not adversely affect our users or our business. We're constantly evolving and adapting to ensure the best possible service for our community.

In the meantime, I'd highly recommend checking out our latest blog posts for some exciting reads.
Don't miss our /blog/top-picks-for-anonymous-bitcoin-wallets]"Top Picks for Anonymous Bitcoin Wallets"  (https://[banned mixer), /blog/top-anonymous-cryptocurrencies]"Top Anonymous Cryptocurrencies." (https://[banned mixer) and /blog/privacy-of-bitcoin]"Privacy of Bitcoin."  (https://[banned mixer)
These articles are a great way to stay informed and make the most of our services.

Thanks again for your support and understanding.
We're here to make sure your experience with us is nothing short of excellent.

Good news from Tumbler.
However, I must point out one wrong statement that I read in one of your blogs. When we talk about choosing the best Anonymous Bitcoin wallets, Ledger can't possibly be in close competition here. We all already know many of their shortcomings, but just yesterday someone published an analysis of their application and the results are in great contrast to privacy and anonymity for all users of this wallet.
They collect every piece of information about the user's activities within the wallet, from the most common scroll to assets.

Here is a Twitter thread: https://x.com/rektbuildr/status/1732542258698694875?s=20

@dkbit98 exposed it on https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5370521.msg63289409#msg63289409

Can I ask a question? Of course I can, here it is :
What prompted you to start advertising your service right during the sinbad shut down? It seemed a bit suspicious IMO to immediately trying to fill the vacancy as if it was all planned ahead of time, which I believe had some sort of influence on the decision of banning mixers forum wide, of course I know we are all innocent until proven guilty, what I'm saying is that you guys make it look very obvious even though it could be just that you realized there is an opportunity to take advantage of, and you took it. 😉 anyhow good luck after december.

And your #1 choice is "Zengo"? To start, cellphones are terrible for privacy, but worse than that, the website is filled with buzzwords that are typical for BS-sellers that try to convince gullible people. I wouldn't trust them with my funds!
If you want privacy, use Bitcoin Core with Coin Control through Tor. To add security, set it up as watch-only online wallet, and sign offline.
There's no need to trust or even pay third parties for this.

Absolutely.

Zengo looks shady IMO.

I am not familiar with "MPC wallets", I will check it later more in details, but I personnaly appreciate a lot to own my private keys.
It looks like they want to propose the exact opposite of the essence of Bitcoin itself:

If you check their "privacy policy": https://zengo.com/privacy-policy/


And if you read the Terms of use: https://zengo.com/terms-of-use/


I am not involved in Political stuff in general, I don't care about that. But when it comes to privacy, the State of Israel is not working in user's interests IMO. Which GPDR policy is protecting their users ? Isn't Israel know for building a lot of shady softwares (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_(spyware)) stealing people data?

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So, I should : give my email address, potentially a biometric data of my face, and others things (IP, communications etc..) to a company located in a country known to abuse of people's data ; all these things to "protect my BTC" from being lost or stolen?

Maybe I am ignorant, but I will stay with Bitcoin Core, Electrum, Trezor (and Tor). Open-source rules

A promotional campaign has been scheduled to be launched here on the forum before Sinbad is shut down. I remember that Royce started a review campaign, and the signature campaign was scheduled to be launched immediately afterwards, which is what actually happened. The forum's decision to cancel all activities related to mixers was two or three days after the launch of the signature campaign and before Royce had even chosen the accepted members.

So this mixer is operated by the state of Israel? Good to know, that means nobody should ever use such mixer.

I was not talking of the mixer itself, I don't want to spread false ideas.

I was talking of the wallet suggested by the mixer, Zengo.

Good to know, now we should never use that wallet and any service suggesting that wallet.

Is everything ok with the [banned mixer] clearnet page?
On my side, the site is not available on two different browsers (Chrome and Opera), while the Tor site is online and active.

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Of course, you can, but wouldn't it be better to check a little before you write the first thing that comes to your mind? @coupable already answered that the campaigns were planned much earlier, but of course, you couldn't check that, could you?

note: these are rhetorical questions, you don't have to answer, I would even appreciate it if you refrained.



What are you talking about, man?
Most forum users consider you a troll, only in this thread do you show how superficially you conclude, so why would anyone take these suggestions of yours seriously?

note: these are also rhetorical questions, you don't have to answer, I would even appreciate it if you refrained. I'm not even going to answer you, so once again I'm asking you to refrain from further replies.

You should read your own post where you announced a good news, did you even check their top picks of wallets they suggest? read this page again. Where are these "most of forum members" you mention? rhetorical don't answer it.

Thank you for your feedback and interest in the article published on our site. I would like to clarify that the article is based on official data provided by various wallets, and our aim was to present this information in a neutral and factual manner. We did not seek to refute or confirm the anonymity claims of each wallet, but rather to provide the public with the information available.

It's important to understand that anonymity in the realm of cryptocurrencies is a complex and multifaceted issue. While some wallets claim to offer anonymity, practical security and privacy can vary based on numerous factors. Hence, the article emphasizes the use of Bitcoin mixers, such as [banned mixer] service, as one of the methods to enhance transaction privacy.

We value every opinion and are open to constructive dialogue. However, I'd like to remind everyone that the main purpose of this forum thread is to discuss and share experiences related to the use of the ]"[banned mixer] Bitcoin mixer"  (https://[banned mixer).
We encourage focusing on this topic in future posts.

This has to be the dumbest thing I've read today. You literally called it Top Picks (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5467457.msg63286742#msg63286742), which suggests there's more behind it than "they say they're the best".

You brought up anonymous wallets (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5467457.msg63286742#msg63286742), and if you give bad recommendations, you can expect to be called out here. If you don't want that, don't post about it.

It's their blog so they can write whatever they want, but zengo wallet and ledger nano X hardware wallet are probably one of the worst suggestions I ever saw for ''Anonymous Bitcoin Wallets'', whatever that means.
If it has nothing to do with your service than don't write blog articles about them, and don't make posts about them in forum.

Perhaps his position can be understood to a certain extent, since Israel's situation in the medical arena at this time is very tense, and there are already boycott campaigns for Israeli products or companies that support Israel spread in many parts of the world. This is subject to many ideological differences and the debate can drag on for years. But it cannot be denied that Digaran's position is being listened to, and there are many who support him publicly and secretly.
Personally, I am in a position of support for the cause of the people in Gaza and I condemn Israel’s crimes. But at the same time, I cannot generalize the situation to everything that is managed in Israel, whether factories or companies, especially since Israel provides many products, especially in modern technologies such as blockchain and others.

Incorrect, I haven't watched the news for 2 months now, I'm unaware of the world events, and I don't care whether it's Israel, Iran, Russia or any other government, they all kill children and innocent people. This was never about supporting a certain company, this was about maintaining privacy, I don't think such wallets are good to be used.
Btw, I know everything, no need to spill the beans.😂  I have a problem of "always assuming", I thought their sudden appearance was suspicious, that's all and if you look at my second post here, you'd realize I was wrong and assumed they are directly operated under the laws of state of Israel.

Daddy long legs, secret admirer? Lol

Will [banned mixer] have a solution to circumvent a looming mixer ban?
[banned mixer] doesn't seem shady like Sinbad.io, a proven shady darkweb mixer.
Google search provided many shady results for Sinbad.io but for [banned mixer], search results seem to be legit.

To begin with, you have to accept that businesses are not created with the purpose of running bounty campaigns on the Bitcointalk forum. Only a small part of the crypto business presented itself here, which is a confirmation that it is possible to do business even without a signature campaign. So it is not mandatory to make a plan to avoid the ban and the whole business adapts exclusively to the Bitcointalk forum.

As far as I can see, Tumbler has started promoting on other platforms, which is part of the strategy that excludes activities on this forum.

I will agree with you on the privacy aspect. But there will be no boycott on any ideological basis, whether for or against. My answer to you was based on the current trend, which is about Israel and the rest of the world’s boycott of products related to its position with Palestine. On an ideological basis, my position will not change, and I will continue to reject all tampering.
Of course, if any of the wallets is the subject of criticism or proof regarding one aspect of privacy, it is certain that it is not completely trustworthy for use in any way, and I agree with you that this must be alerted and pointed out. Israel's relationship to the matter remains unknown to me until the company's connections are examined more closely.

Can you please clarify about your sudden decision of ending your advertisement 2 weeks earlier than scheduled dead line? What I'm trying to understand, was it your decision or the ad manager's? Because there was no need to pack and leave after only a few criticisms about an article you posted, you could simply either remove the article or just add a disclaimer that you are not supporting any particular country or company.

Moreover, what you did just added more to our "suspicion", it's like when you grab the stick, the thief runs. I hope you understand there is no hostility towards any Bitcoin service providers unless they are proven to be illegal by international standards, like sin bad became a hostile Bitcoin service provider the moment it was seized.  So if we are posting here, it's not because we are your enemies, we just need transparency that's all.

No circumvention solutions, there are rules, mixers are banned, we will leave.


We never prioritized the forum. If there's a ban, fine.
In my personal opinion, it's a mistake, the decision of one person for a multi-million audience.
Satoshi would probably approve... ;)


All questions regarding the signature campaign go through Royse777.


??? I don't understand what you're talking about. A message just for the sake of messaging? There's not even anything to respond to.

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In good news, we've launched a /referral]Referral Program (https://[banned mixer), paying from 10 to 50%.
Crypto website owners, directories, financial systems, etc., welcome!

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2008 Bitcoin White Paper
2023 BitcoinTalk: Imposing censorship, shame...
2024 BitcoinTalk: ban casino, exchanges, add KYC?
2025 Bitcoin Mining + AML? :)

Ok, it seems we can't communicate the way I was expecting, nevertheless it was a mistake to drop everything after announcing to pay $10 per post until the end of 2023, the actions of your advertising partners also reflect on your reputation, if they promised to pay people $10 per post but suddenly backed off from the deal which is by the way not against the campaign rules, is however looking bad on your reputation, they should have consulted with you first, but now that you also agree with their decision, means one thing, you should not be trusted with any amount of money, since you can easily back off from your words, there is no guarantee that you'd do the same when it comes to keeping the transactions between clients and your service off the records and not keep any logs.

This also indicates that with such attitude and unstable behaviour, you are not to be considered a trustworthy service to handle money, again unless you resume the campaign and admit it was a rushed decision made by your incompetent advertising partner. Despite everything, do note that we are watching your activities with vigilance no matter where you operate. 

I just read this post and was not aware about it at all before.

It's a great update. More power to the brand.

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I hope you have your answer now. I also read what you wrote here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5476064.msg63331902#msg63331902).

Hello there, your referral is not activated, can you explain the difference between %10 & %50  referral payments? Who can get %50? I'm just a stranger seeking for information, a total newbie.

We assess how much we're willing to pay for the amount of orders our partner brings in.
Weak advertising, few orders, minimal percentage / active advertising, many orders, higher percentages.
You can start with the minimum percentage, and we'll see the potential to increase the reward.
To activate your partner account, you'll need to go through a brief interview with our support team on our website.

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Here's how it works and who might find it interesting:

For example, if your site ranks in the top 10 search results for the query "Bitcoin Mixer," a user clicks on your site, sees an advertisement for our service, and, upon navigating to our site and creating an order, you earn a percentage of our profit.

What if you don't have a website? How can you earn?

- Advertise on Google/Bing/Yahoo/Duckduckgo with your referral link; skilled individuals can easily bypass restrictions on crypto advertising.
- Order banners on third-party sites with your referral link.
- Publish articles and press releases; many thematic sites offer this opportunity for free, and well-written pieces can top search results.
- List site with your referral link in thematic directories (Tordex, Torch, etc., can help).
- Engage in forum discussions, on Reddit, Twitter, etc.
- Include your referral link in the signature of your forum posts (except Bitcointalk).
- Share in social media; numerous crypto news sites provide this opportunity.
- Advertise in crypto messenger groups.
- Collaborate with crypto video bloggers; include your referral link in the description.
- Explore podcast opportunities.
- Conduct email marketing campaigns.

There are many possibilities; these are just a few ideas that, when implemented, can generate substantial profits.

Interesting, I am not a website owner. But I have worked on a few projects before.
I have promoted some websites on crypto ad networks. adbtc.top, for example.
I am curious about what the support team asked in the interview before approving the partner account.

You should update the FAQ on the site because there is still an old notification that you don't have a referral program.

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/12/17/EKQvc.png


Can you explain to me, if one of my referrals comes again after the first mixing is finished, is he still my referral? for example, if he continues to use the discount code, it would probably be a link if it is the same user, and what if he does not use the discount code?

Also, where is the referral link for the Tor page?

Hi examplens,
thank you for your interest in our project!


Thank you, we will make changes soon. In the upcoming updates, several new points related to the referral program will be added to the FAQ


The user's browser stores a unique cookie that persists even after closing the browser. When the user returns, they will continue to be your referral.


Example:
http://[banned mixer]/#ref=XXXXXXXX-XXXXXX

In the upcoming updates, we will add a field to the dashboard.

Really? People come looking for privacy but don't wipe the cookies from their Tor browser?

Modern browsers use secure cookie files, and there is nothing to be afraid of in their storage.
In the standard build of the TOR browser, it is not possible to transfer information about cookie files from one site to another.

Read more: Total Cookie Protection

Except for linking all your visits to a certain website, which is bad for privacy.

The default of Tor browser is a lot better: it doesn't store cookies:

The privacy risk involves more than just "other sites": it includes not telling any site that you've visited it before.
In short: cookies are bad for privacy, no matter what's in there.

Tor Browser's settings erase all cookies, history, site data, cache, and the like by default and there is no way to change it. Even if a site were to set a cookie, it would be deleted when you quit the browser.

Edit: seeing you just posted that while I was typing, they are probably setting cookies for the other browsers on clearnet as well.

It can be changed, there's a tickbox (http://about:preferences#privacy):

They just never close Tor browser and always keep one identity, that's enough  :D

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I sent PM to tumbler few days ago asking if Ratimov/Symmetrick returned money he received from them for 6 months in advance, but they never replied anything.
Since he is not online from December 11, it's safe to assume he is never coming back and returning the money he received.
Final ''Trick'' move.