➡️➡️ [ANN] | [banned mixer] | BITCOIN MIXER ⬅️⬅️

[tumbler.io]

...We've got some super cool news to share! Our team has finally completed that video for our website's homepage you've all been wondering about. Your enthusiasm and patience haven't gone unnoticed, so a huge thanks for sticking with us!

/video/bitcoin_mixer.mp4]

We're stoked to hear what you think, so feel free to drop your thoughts after!

[1714327880]

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[un_rank]

We're stoked to hear what you think, so feel free to drop your thoughts after!

8/10. Great work from the team.
I particularly like how the people snooping in on your privacy are made to be the "wrong doers" and not those who are seeking anonymity.

Good graphics too.

- Jay -

[joker_josue]

...We've got some super cool news to share! Our team has finally completed that video for our website's homepage you've all been wondering about. Your enthusiasm and patience haven't gone unnoticed, so a huge thanks for sticking with us!

Thank you for the feedback, and congratulations on the video, the final result was very positive.

That "play" button was really starting to gather dust. 

[joker_josue]

I'm sorry, I forgot to mention this a moment ago:

joker_josue

When we wait for the mixing to be done, in step 4 "In progress", there could be a sound signal each time the process moves to the next mixing phase (with the user being able to deactivate it). This allowed, if the user keeps the browser window open, to always know that a phase of the process has been passed;

✅ It's not possible (without obtaining autoplay authorization from the user) to implement this feature due to browser limitations.

My idea is for the user to be able to choose this option. In other words, you can create this option that is activated/deactivated by the end user in their browser.
Either way, it's not an important resource, and so I understand your point.

5. Editing all texts by native speakers

I didn't ask when I did the review, but are you thinking about implementing Portugues (Portugal)?

[tumbler.io]

I didn't ask when I did the review, but are you thinking about implementing Portugues (Portugal)?

We find your idea interesting.
Our team will need a bit of time to consider this opportunity. 

[tumbler.io]

Hello everyone,

We're thrilled to announce that our service has just launched the [banned mixer] Signature Campaign!
We're inviting all interested users to join us in this exciting venture.
This is a great opportunity to engage with our latest offerings and be a part of something special.
If you're interested in participating or want to learn more, please feel free to reach out Royce777.

We look forward to having you on board!

[notblox1]

We're stoked to hear what you think, so feel free to drop your thoughts after!

I like the video and your superhero character, but there are some altcoin blockchains that are private
If you dont mind making one suggestion, I really think you need to have better logo for your service, and I am the right logo designer for you.
Contact me if you want me to make something that works and looks better, and I hope we can create something unique for you.
I am offering special discount for one more day, and you can check some logo designs I made for bitcointalk talk members: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5448964

[BenCodie]

I have been watching this service throughout its review campaign and after due diligence, have applied to the signature campaign. There is not much at all that I have found to be potentially non-factual on the website, and overall the site looks like it does as it says. Pros, hybrid version of coinjoin, a straight-forward way to measure the anonymity you will get from the service, and clear statements as to how all kinds of data are handled.

Of course, if there was a non-javascript version available in the future, this would particularly be another pro. This should be a priority.

However
There is one very bold claim that would actually required quite a technical way of working, which I am struggling to wrap my head around:

website]
5. Deposit Address Removal: Regular removal of Bitcoin addresses used for deposits; no retrospective data retrieval in case of the Bitcoin mixer compromise.

Is this talking just about the website/database, or does this claim also extend to the Bitcoin node(s) being used to run the service? As deleting individual addresses from the wallet.dat in the Bitcoin node has been reported to be not possible on a command-line/operational level, you would need to delete the wallet every time and restart the node, which would be seemingly infeasible for a mixer/tumbler to achieve as this would cause constant node disruption...Unless [banned mixer] can additionally claim to have also created a way to create/delete wallets automatically within the node without disrupting system operation?

Your choices are:

    Shut down the client, delete the entire wallet.dat, restart the client and allow it to create a new wallet that doesn't contain that address (or any of the others from that wallet)
    Use a utility such as pywallet to edit the wallet.dat directly and remove the data that you don't want in there
    Stop using Bitcoin Core to maintain accounts, and implement your own account system outside of Bitcoin Core

Reference: Solved: List & delete addresses from command line

Maybe after this amount of time you can do this without shutting down/restarting the node (not confirmed) however, could this be explained?

This is a minute detail that after careful analysis, is currently the only thing I could find to be clarified - aside from a careful analysis of the mixing algorithms will be needed to, which I will happily do in the future for the community and service in spare time.

In the meantime, good luck with the service, campaign and please keep the community safe and satisfied in the long run

[tumbler.io]

It's gratifying to know that someone is interested in the technical details we describe in our texts

Is this talking just about the website/database, or does this claim also extend to the Bitcoin node(s) being used to run the service? As deleting individual addresses from the wallet.dat in the Bitcoin node has been reported to be not possible on a command-line/operational level, you would need to delete the wallet every time and restart the node, which would be seemingly infeasible for a mixer/tumbler to achieve as this would cause constant node disruption...Unless [banned mixer] can additionally claim to have also created a way to create/delete wallets automatically within the node without disrupting system operation?

This is a simple but crucial part of security.

From our "tests" we haven't found any project that has thought about this feature.
Probably, this feature isn't implemented due to specific 'technical challenges,' like using addresses from different wallets at the same time when creating transactions.
However, we've fully implemented this feature.

In short, we regularly switch wallets.

Everything happens automatically. For example, today deposit addresses come from wallet1, and change also goes to wallet1. Tomorrow, deposit addresses come from wallet2, and change also goes to wallet2. When all addresses from wallet1 are used, we remove that wallet.


p.s

This part is also crucial because without the ability to use addresses from different wallets when forming transactions, we wouldn't be able to fully implement transaction generation based on Blockchair patterns.

This was easily noticeable during tests when transactions described by our testers were formed using addresses of different types. At that moment, we simply took addresses from different wallets.

for example,

out   | in
3....  | bc1..
bc1.. | client
bc1.. | 3..

[BenCodie]

It's gratifying to know that someone is interested in the technical details we describe in our texts

Is this talking just about the website/database, or does this claim also extend to the Bitcoin node(s) being used to run the service? As deleting individual addresses from the wallet.dat in the Bitcoin node has been reported to be not possible on a command-line/operational level, you would need to delete the wallet every time and restart the node, which would be seemingly infeasible for a mixer/tumbler to achieve as this would cause constant node disruption...Unless [banned mixer] can additionally claim to have also created a way to create/delete wallets automatically within the node without disrupting system operation?

This is a simple but crucial part of security.

From our "tests" we haven't found any project that has thought about this feature.
Probably, this feature isn't implemented due to specific 'technical challenges,' like using addresses from different wallets at the same time when creating transactions.
However, we've fully implemented this feature.

In short, we regularly switch wallets.

Everything happens automatically. For example, today deposit addresses come from wallet1, and change also goes to wallet1. Tomorrow, deposit addresses come from wallet2, and change also goes to wallet2. When all addresses from wallet1 are used, we remove that wallet.

I completely agree, I haven't seen any mixer claim it just yet or else I believe I'd have asked the same question. If so, it has gone over my head or there were more pressing things to ask about them.

p.s

This part is also crucial because without the ability to use addresses from different wallets when forming transactions, we wouldn't be able to fully implement transaction generation based on Blockchair patterns.

This was easily noticeable during tests when transactions described by our testers were formed using addresses of different types. At that moment, we simply took addresses from different wallets.

example

out   | in
3....  | bc1..
bc1.. | client
bc1.. | 3..

This is on the money as well. Great job, truly. Your answers makes perfect sense and there isn't much for me to come back with in response. You have shown a good example of the careful crafting that is behind the sleek front-end with your explanation, kudos to both the work and the response, and I look forward to testing the service further in the future!

[UmerIdrees]

We're stoked to hear what you think, so feel free to drop your thoughts after!

I have seen this animated video and really loved the Tumbler Character and costume in the video. 

A great piece of thought process as the message is also conveyed in a lighter mode.

[tumbler.io]

Hi UmerIdrees,

Thanks a ton for the shout-out on our video! We really put in a lot of effort to make it straightforward and easy to grasp. It's super cool to hear you liked it. We aimed to break down our Bitcoin anonymizing service’s key goals in a fun, animated way - glad it caught your eye and gave you something to think about!

Your positive vibes mean a lot to us. It's feedback like yours that keeps us pumped and ready to create more awesome stuff.

[robelneo]

I'm grateful and excited to be one of the participants of your signature campaign, I've checked the site and I can say that it has a good design, and is newbie-friendly everything a newbie wants to know about how a mixer works is easily explained and the video summarizes it all.

The mixing industry is highly competitive but how you present your platform makes it a cut above the rest, looking forward to [banned mixer] as one of the leading brands in the community when it comes to Bitcoin mixer.

[tumbler.io]

Hey everyone,

Until 31st of December we have new conditions  [banned mixer] Signature Campaign!:

Legendary payroll: $10.00 per post
Hero payroll: $8.00 per post
Sr. Member payroll: $6.00 per post
Maximum 25 posts to get paid.

 

[examplens]

Hey everyone,

Until 31st of December we have new conditions  [banned mixer] Signature Campaign!:

Legendary payroll: $10.00 per post
Hero payroll: $8.00 per post
Sr. Member payroll: $6.00 per post
Maximum 25 posts to get paid.

 

I believe up to 60 posts per week will be paid.  
edit: You're serious about this though

Now a serious question, how much will this decision affect your future business?
I assume that the presence on the Bitcointalk forum was a significant part of your service presentation strategy. It is even the only channel for communication through this forum. I understand if it is too early or too public for this kind of discussion.
Looks like you'll need to integrate an affiliate program ASAP though.

[tumbler.io]

Hello Everyone,

We understand that changes in strategy, especially those involving platforms like the Bitcointalk forum, can raise questions about the future direction and impact on our service. However, I'm happy to reassure you that everything is progressing smoothly and according to plan.

Our presence on the Bitcointalk forum has indeed been a significant part of our strategy, but rest assured, the current situation on the forum will not adversely affect our users or our business. We're constantly evolving and adapting to ensure the best possible service for our community.

In the meantime, I'd highly recommend checking out our latest blog posts for some exciting reads.
Don't miss our /blog/top-picks-for-anonymous-bitcoin-wallets]"Top Picks for Anonymous Bitcoin Wallets" , /blog/top-anonymous-cryptocurrencies]"Top Anonymous Cryptocurrencies." and /blog/privacy-of-bitcoin]"Privacy of Bitcoin."
These articles are a great way to stay informed and make the most of our services.

Thanks again for your support and understanding.
We're here to make sure your experience with us is nothing short of excellent.

[examplens]

In the meantime, I'd highly recommend checking out our latest blog posts for some exciting reads.
Don't miss our /blog/top-picks-for-anonymous-bitcoin-wallets]"Top Picks for Anonymous Bitcoin Wallets" , /blog/top-anonymous-cryptocurrencies]"Top Anonymous Cryptocurrencies." and /blog/privacy-of-bitcoin]"Privacy of Bitcoin."
These articles are a great way to stay informed and make the most of our services.

Good news from Tumbler.
However, I must point out one wrong statement that I read in one of your blogs. When we talk about choosing the best Anonymous Bitcoin wallets, Ledger can't possibly be in close competition here. We all already know many of their shortcomings, but just yesterday someone published an analysis of their application and the results are in great contrast to privacy and anonymity for all users of this wallet.
They collect every piece of information about the user's activities within the wallet, from the most common scroll to assets.

Here is a Twitter thread: https://x.com/rektbuildr/status/1732542258698694875?s=20

@dkbit98 exposed it on https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5370521.msg63289409#msg63289409

[digaran]

Can I ask a question? Of course I can, here it is :
What prompted you to start advertising your service right during the sinbad shut down? It seemed a bit suspicious IMO to immediately trying to fill the vacancy as if it was all planned ahead of time, which I believe had some sort of influence on the decision of banning mixers forum wide, of course I know we are all innocent until proven guilty, what I'm saying is that you guys make it look very obvious even though it could be just that you realized there is an opportunity to take advantage of, and you took it. 😉 anyhow good luck after december.

[LoyceV]

Don't miss our /blog/top-picks-for-anonymous-bitcoin-wallets]"Top Picks for Anonymous Bitcoin Wallets"

And your #1 choice is "Zengo"? To start, cellphones are terrible for privacy, but worse than that, the website is filled with buzzwords that are typical for BS-sellers that try to convince gullible people. I wouldn't trust them with my funds!
If you want privacy, use Bitcoin Core with Coin Control through Tor. To add security, set it up as watch-only online wallet, and sign offline.
There's no need to trust or even pay third parties for this.

[paid2]

Don't miss our /blog/top-picks-for-anonymous-bitcoin-wallets]"Top Picks for Anonymous Bitcoin Wallets"

And your #1 choice is "Zengo"? To start, cellphones are terrible for privacy, but worse than that, the website is filled with buzzwords that are typical for BS-sellers that try to convince gullible people. I wouldn't trust them with my funds!
If you want privacy, use Bitcoin Core with Coin Control through Tor. To add security, set it up as watch-only online wallet, and sign offline.
There's no need to trust or even pay third parties for this.

Absolutely.

Zengo looks shady IMO.

I am not familiar with "MPC wallets", I will check it later more in details, but I personnaly appreciate a lot to own my private keys.
It looks like they want to propose the exact opposite of the essence of Bitcoin itself:

TL;DR: “Not your keys, not your coins” has resulted in over $100 billion lost or stolen since the early 2010s. Zengo is the leading MPC wallet that secures over 1 million customers. Check it out, or read below to learn more about MPC wallets.

If you check their "privacy policy": https://zengo.com/privacy-policy/

PERSONAL INFORMATION WE PROCESS

Initial Account Sign-up Information.
To sign up to and create a user account on the App, we collect your email address.

Facial Image Information.
If you wish to activate your App user account with the back-up feature, as further explained in our Terms, you will need to provide your biometric data of your facial image, which is a mathematical representation of your face. You do not have to provide us with your face image data. However, you will not be able to use this back-up functionality of the App without providing such information.

Support Information.
When you contact us for technical and customer support requests, we collect the information included in your request and in follow-up interactions we have with you.
Inquiry Information.

When you contact us with general inquiries through our online contact forms, chats or otherwise, we collect and process your email address and the information you include in your inquiry.

And if you read the Terms of use: https://zengo.com/terms-of-use/

Applicable Law and Jurisdiction

These Terms shall be governed solely by the laws of the State of Israel without regard to its conflict of law provisions.

The Tel Aviv District Court shall have sole and exclusive jurisdiction and venue over any claim in connection with the Website or in respect of any matter relating to these Terms. You hereby expressly consent to personal jurisdiction in Israel and expressly waive any right to object to such personal jurisdiction or the non-convenience of such forum.
Notwithstanding the foregoing, we may lodge a claim against you pursuant to the indemnity clause above in any court adjudicating a third party claim against us.

I am not involved in Political stuff in general, I don't care about that. But when it comes to privacy, the State of Israel is not working in user's interests IMO. Which GPDR policy is protecting their users ? Isn't Israel know for building a lot of shady softwares stealing people data?


So, I should : give my email address, potentially a biometric data of my face, and others things (IP, communications etc..) to a company located in a country known to abuse of people's data ; all these things to "protect my BTC" from being lost or stolen?

Maybe I am ignorant, but I will stay with Bitcoin Core, Electrum, Trezor (and Tor). Open-source rules