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Title: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Davidvictorson on November 21, 2023, 05:05:20 PM
A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Odohu on November 21, 2023, 05:08:28 PM
A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?
If he gambled irresponsibly, then he does not need crowdfunidng rather he needs to visit a psychologist for help on how to deal with his gambling addiction. Giving money to him is just telling him to continue from where he stopped.

So I don't see the need for crowdfunding such fellow and I will never be a part of it.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: KTChampions on November 21, 2023, 05:13:15 PM
A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?

I would say that sponsoring irresponsible behavior does not lead to anything good. There must be unpleasant consequences for wrong actions, it hurts but it works. If a person does not experience anything negative after doing something wrong (because someone makes up for all the losses in his place), then this only leads to the fact that he continues to behave irresponsibly. This is not higher mathematics, but simple life experience that everyone should understand by the age of 7-8 haha.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: mindrust on November 21, 2023, 05:14:22 PM
A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?

Nope. I wouldn't do it even if he/she were my relative. Spending your kids' food money on gambling? This is irresponsible and it deserves a punishment. If these people get any help from the community, who guarantees it that they won't do the same thing again? (spending family funds on gambling) Sometimes people need to learn by the hard way. Sometimes punishment is the best teacher.

(for ex:) You spend your kids food money on gambling and now you either feed your kids with the funds which you were going to pay your electricity bills which means no electricity in home or, your kids will starve to death. A punishment like that is hopefully enough to put some sense in these losers.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: komisariatku on November 21, 2023, 05:29:50 PM
No, I don't want to do. Crowdfunding for irresponsible gamblers or gambling addicts will not produce anything. It just feeds their gambling addiction because they get money to keep playing and I don't think it will take long until that money is gone to gamble again.


If he gambled irresponsibly, then he does not need crowdfunidng rather he needs to visit a psychologist for help on how to deal with his gambling addiction. Giving money to him is just telling him to continue from where he stopped.

Yes I agree with you. They don't need Crowdfunding, what they need is psychologist or professional help to overcome the problems they are experiencing, gambling addiction problems or irresponsible gambling. Giving money to a gambling addict is the same as giving sugar to a diabetic


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Marvelman on November 21, 2023, 06:29:00 PM
I get that folks wanna help out if someone's having a rough time, but you gotta be careful too.  Sure we should care about each other, but throwing money around ain't always the answer neither.  Maybe help with getting skills or something steady instead of just handing over cash. People should try to stand on their own.  So lend a hand when it's really needed but dont let feelings make you loose with your wallet.  That's just gonna cause more problems down the road.  I say care, but care smart.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: STT on November 21, 2023, 07:05:03 PM
Really bad idea as it teaches nothing to reform the bad attitude and self management that caused the problem.   I would say food, basic clothing and anything else basic required by a person has to be provided as an item not cash.
   It would almost be the opposite of help to encourage a person into not feeling the full responsibility, things can certainly get worse for all the possible avenues of easy cash I dont want to see anyone go down that road.  At best they end up in prison maybe for years after being offered a way to get cash fast, some people dont know better to refuse a bad offer.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Oilacris on November 21, 2023, 07:12:12 PM
A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?
Only a few might be considering out such step on making some donation or support on showing some empathy or something like this but majority wont really be doing such thing knowing
that they are the ones responsible with their actions on which it is really just that right that they shouldn't really be that be supported or having that kind of trying out to
assist whenever they are on such condition. Im not really be that being too harsh in this regard since people do really make mistakes on which getting some help once should be enough
but on the time that they are really that repeating on the same mistake again and again then this is an another story.

People should really be realizing and learning up things on the hard way or something a situation that they didnt expect that it would happen into their lives.
People do usually be quitting on the time that they had that the lowest condition or worst situation into their lives.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Frankolala on November 21, 2023, 07:31:26 PM
I can't say presently because it depends on my mood at that present time. Any gambler that lost his funds to gamble might still gamble again when funds are been donated to him base on charity because there is still every possibility that he might start chasing his losses again because he is not a discipline gambler.

On the other hand, if the gambler has learnt a hard lesson from his gambling life, he might still not gamble and use the donated funds for the right purpose. So I don't know that category that the gamblers falls into as someone that has learnt his lesson or not, this is why I might feel reluctant to donate for that gambler.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: livingfree on November 21, 2023, 07:48:36 PM
BIG NO.

Why? There is a big chance that even they say that crowdfunding is for a big project. It can turns out that it is for their gambling addiction and sustenance.

You know that addicted gamblers can go to that point of their lives that they are desperate and will even tell a lie to the people that they've known for years just for them to have that reasoning to gather funds to gamble again.

This is the sad truth with addiction, you'd do anything for it.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: electronicash on November 21, 2023, 07:51:51 PM
if it's for something good to save his life like he has to undergo an operation, i might send some funds. let's give humanity a chance  ;D

however, if this fund is for a secret goal, i'd leave it to social media. when money is given, there wouldn't be a way for it to get them if it landed in the hands of someone who is very experienced in spending money like a gambler. he already spent money intended for something. let him learn once and for all. otherwise, he'd just commit over and over.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Kasabus on November 21, 2023, 07:59:43 PM
A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?
Definitely not. As a gambler, we should know how to play the game responsibly and set limits in betting so we won't be gambling those amount that are not intended to bet in gambling. So if you're gambling irresponsibly, facing the consequences of your action will help you learn your lesson. And I won't support any crowdfunding for such irresponsible gamblers because if I do that, it's like I'm tolerating his wrong doing and allow him to repeat the same mistake again.

Letting him experience the consequences of his actions is the best thing to do. That way, aside that he will learn his lesson, he will start to control his gambling habit from then on and become a responsible gambler. Otherwise, helping him will make him only feel that it's okay to gamble irresponsibly because there are still friends who will make up for him.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Fatunad on November 21, 2023, 08:12:47 PM
A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?
Definitely not. As a gambler, we should know how to play the game responsibly and set limits in betting so we won't be gambling those amount that are not intended to bet in gambling. So if you're gambling irresponsibly, facing the consequences of your action will help you learn your lesson. And I won't support any crowdfunding for such irresponsible gamblers because if I do that, it's like I'm tolerating his wrong doing and allow him to repeat the same mistake again.

Letting him experience the consequences of his actions is the best thing to do. That way, aside that he will learn his lesson, he will start to control his gambling habit from then on and become a responsible gambler. Otherwise, helping him will make him only feel that it's okay to gamble irresponsibly because there are still friends who will make up for him.
We should really be that responsible if we do speak about dealing with gambling since we know that this isnt a money making thing then you should really be playing in moderation but if you are really just that playing for fun then there's no issue. It all matters with someones control and handling towards himself because if you do find out yourself not to be that much effective due to some reasons then its your mistake
on why you do end up miserable or messed up with gambling. Gambling could fucked up our finances and if you arent that careful then it wont be shocking that you would really be ending up on a disastrous condition.
There are really just those people who have those kind of unrealistic goals and this is why they do end up on miserably.

Giving some support? No i wont do such thing. You would be supporting them financially then it would really be just on the same story on which they would really be
spending those funds again and again. They wont learn up a lesson until they would be able to experience those unfortunate events on which i do say
that it is really just that right for them to experience so that they would be able to realize on whats wrong.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: ajiz138 on November 21, 2023, 08:17:01 PM
NO. It will be difficult for gamblers to do crowdfunding even if the funds are for a good cause but it will be difficult for gamblers to do it, when they win, they may continue to add addiction to playing other games and not even think about other things including crowdfunding so this will be more ignored.

I feel that gamblers should feel responsible for their gambling when they have experienced out of control then it will require help including to psychologists to overcome it then this is a difficult thing if they participate in crowdfunding actions. When you think about it, they have more to lose than to win and most gamblers want to always chase their losses before this will remain difficult.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Rruchi man on November 21, 2023, 08:18:45 PM
Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?
Sometimes it is good to allow people suffer the consequences of their actions so they can learn from the bitter experience, especially when the consequence that they are suffering is from an action that you warned them about. Showing empathy and providing assistance to some of these people never helps them, but only encourages them to continue because they know you will show empathy toward them.

I can always reconsider my decision and stance on this matter in special cases of family and some friends, but not for strangers.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: passwordnow on November 21, 2023, 08:22:32 PM
Nope, no chance even for the benefit of the doubt, I won't. It's hard to entrust money with the people you've known that have been drowned and addicted in gambling. Yes, we're into gambling but we know that being too much on it and with everything doesn't look good. That's the reason why people with gambling issues are not to be trusted with money. Go into the typical angel investing groups and if you tell them that the one pitches the project or the crowdfunding is into gambling, most of them are going to stop their interest to what's being pitched to them. There's a reason why we're all acting like that because we're gamblers and we know someone's approach will change if they're doing something that gambles their own money and what's more if they successfully crowdfunded? The money that someone has is hard earned money and we do understand why it's hard to entrust it to people that can't even manage themselves.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Quidat on November 21, 2023, 08:23:39 PM
Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?
Sometimes it is good to allow people suffer the consequences of their actions so they can learn from the bitter experience, especially when the consequence that they are suffering is from an action that you warned them about. Showing empathy and providing assistance to some of these people never helps them, but only encourages them to continue because they know you will show empathy toward them.

I can always reconsider my decision and stance on this matter in special cases of family and some friends, but not for strangers.
People wont realize something if they do able to keep on gambling, so making some crowdfund and providing even more money will really just worsen up the situation.
This is why it is really just that indeed better that letting someone do experience the worst, it might sound harsh but this is the only way that they would really be able to learn up things.
Its not really that right on trying out to support an irresponsible person unless on some exemptions but on this case then helping him would really be no sense.

Just like been said that it would really just continuing for him to do things which arent supposed to be done. Anything excessive would really be that bad
so it is really just that right that making them learn about their mistakes and experience the worst would be the best teacher on this kind of scenario or condition.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Richbased on November 21, 2023, 08:33:38 PM
A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?

Well it depends the kind of person that is involved because there are some persons in the society that are known for awful behaviors so those kind of people when they're the ones that are involved in spending money given to them for important things or projects, it will be difficult to raise fund for that kinda person but if it involves someone that isn't used to such behavior but suddenly he starts behaving in such manner, people will have compassion on the person because they know he isn't a wayward person so something most have made him take such a decision without thinking about the outcome, so they can possibly raise fund for that kind of person, give them advice and way to scale through their challenges so definitely donating money to someone that carelessly misused funds that ought to be used for other important things is actually dependent on the behavior and characters of the individual involved.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Falconer on November 21, 2023, 08:34:15 PM
No, that's not an interesting idea to me. Every gambler must be responsible for the consequences that arise as a result of his gambling habits. They must have control so as not to fall into trouble and even if they do get into trouble, then rehabilitation is what they need.

Gamblers must indoctrinate themselves not to gamble beyond their financial limits. They should not use investment money, savings, etc. that they still need to live their lives to gamble. Not sure if this idea is acceptable among gamblers, even the government will not provide compensation to losing and irresponsible gamblers.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: alani123 on November 21, 2023, 08:37:58 PM
This question comes up frequently, and the answer should be a resounding no from everyone.
It's not healthy to fund with your own money someone else's addiction. Especially if you appreciate this person, you'd be doing them a better service by just saying no.
Better yet, you can offer them some options to get something tangible if they actually quit.  

A history of irresponsible gambling should sound alarm bells. It's not bad to recommend help sometimes. Be it the person itself or someone in their close circle.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: letteredhub on November 21, 2023, 09:26:31 PM
Crowdfunding an irresponsible gambler that lost his money meant for a project to gambling is another form of encouraging his irresponsibility. If a gambler can use money that he was to use for important project as marriage, child school fees, or a house rent for gambling he's not worth giving any form of financial assistance what he urgently need us a rehab because that's an addiction impulse he is breeding. For every action in life there's always a consequence attached and people should be allowed to face the consequences of their action so that by the experience they can learn to take a leave from irresponsible attitudes towards gambling.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Fortify on November 21, 2023, 09:26:42 PM
A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?

Your original question was pretty ridiculous and now you've added in another layer of stupidity? People who throw away their own money and end up crippled might deserve a shred of sympathy, however they need to take it as a learning experience that once they rebuild, never to go that deep down the hole again. However people who steal other peoples money will and should find themselves serving a jail sentence, because it is simple theft and it doesn't matter the reason. Would you "crowdsource" charitable funds for a thief? No, you would not, so why do you think throwing the word gambler into the mix would make it any better. It's not a thief that was trying to save a starving puppy, it was a selfish and greedy thief trying to enrich themselves.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Weawant on November 21, 2023, 10:21:56 PM
I wouldn't participate in such crowd funding but if it's possible bi reach out to his kids and help them get their fees paid without the interference of their father I would, not because I want to help the man but for the sake of the kids to have a better future and not suffer for their fathers foolishness.

Talking about gambling responsibly it doesn't only end at the casino with you not placing reckless huge amounts but it begins with the decisions you make, how you go about funding your gambling wallet and how well you control yourself when it has to do with the funds you invest in gambling. Using funds that were kept aside for projects and other responsibilities to gamble is highly irresponsible and shouldn't be encouraged.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Bananington on November 21, 2023, 10:23:10 PM
A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?
Your take on the content you created is very facinating. If I even have the slightest sympathy for a gambler, it would be someone who is very close, who wins more often then they loose and who is very lavish with the winnings they have had so far of which I really appreciate.
Else, crowdfunding a gambler on a quest of probabilities is not a good investment I would love to dabble in, even if the cash in my pockets are throwing away.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Eureka_07 on November 21, 2023, 10:32:39 PM
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 And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?
Definitely not. And honestly this is the first time I read something about crowdfunding someone to gamble, especially someone irresponsible. I never heard anything about that before!
To anyone who are thinking of doing that, have a second thought and reflect if it is really worth doing. Remember thag you could use those money to fund other charities for our poor,  our environment, etc.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Woodie on November 21, 2023, 10:49:01 PM
Honestly it's difficult to judge without having to know the real reason why they actually gambled that money away... what if they were short and have tried everything they can think of to try to make the extra cash to pay for a medical operation, or school fees etc...

We need to accept that not everyone gambles for the purpose of fun, most people do this for the money!! And if gambler lost their money and went for the crowdfund option to get it back.. honestly it's a probable chance that I would support such a user , but with a back story I can support it and without it it's not possible.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: DaNNy001 on November 21, 2023, 10:56:27 PM
A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?
If he gambled irresponsibly, then he does not need crowdfunidng rather he needs to visit a psychologist for help on how to deal with his gambling addiction. Giving money to him is just telling him to continue from where he stopped.

So I don't see the need for crowdfunding such fellow and I will never be a part of it.
Thank you mate, it's as simple as you have explained it because no gambler that posses that kind of attributes should be let to continue in gambling, let alone be crowd funded. Every irresponsible gambler needs help although gambling addicts dont normally take advice from person and only them can be of help to their own crazy habits because if their is no willingness to stop it then the gambler doesn't need a thing like what crowdfunding because it's a total waist of funds.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Slow death on November 21, 2023, 11:10:22 PM
when a person takes money that was intended to pay bills and that person takes that money to play in a casino and then loses all the money, then we are dealing with a person who is addicted to gambling and in this case you cannot give money to the gambling addict , if he says he needs money to pay bills, then don't give him money, just pay his bills directly, that is, tell him to go with you to pay his bills and then take him to a psychologist for urgent treatment, As long as the psychologist does not cure the patient, then they should not give him money, because this will only worsen his mental health condition. people often ignore certain signs

I'm talking about signs like taking money that would be used to pay bills and taking it to play or even taking it out to drink beer, then people think that this is normal, they think that these are things that after some time the person heals on their own, when in reality we are faced with a disease, we are faced with addiction, and to cure the addiction it is necessary to consult the doctor and comply with all the treatment he recommends, the person should not be a person with too much pride and forget that being cured also helps with what the person can live in society, it helps to get back into employment


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Wexnident on November 21, 2023, 11:14:32 PM
A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?
Nah. My man probably spent said money he was supposed to use for said project or whatever into gambling and is now appealing pity to the internet so that he can recoup it back. Personally, that's my opinion. As for what others think? I don't really give a damn. Spending money in gambling that is supposed to be for something else that is important is something I can't really empathize with. After all, said money was most likely not even from them, it probably came about with the help of a few others so really, it's not just him affected, it was others as well. And even if it was him only, then again, I still don't see any reason to help someone making dumb decisions over the internet.



Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: goldkingcoiner on November 21, 2023, 11:20:41 PM
A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?

No, crowdfunding for anyone who exhibits risky behavior beyond a certain threshold is a very bad idea.

When you gather crowd investments for someone else, you are vouching for them with your name. If they do something bad, such as misuse the gathered funds, then you will be the one who is blamed by a literal crowd of people. Why would you subject yourself to that kind of risk if you believe the person behind the project to be untrustworthy?

But then again it depends on the person and how risky you find them to be. I would not paint all gamblers as untrustworthy people.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Assface16678 on November 21, 2023, 11:23:20 PM
No, definitely not. It's common sense. Why would you give money to someone that you know he will lose, especially if you know that he is an irresponsible gambler? Only those fortunate may, but it's still not right to tolerate his action and irresponsibility. If someone does that, then he will keep on doing what is wrong, and in fact, it will make him more irresponsible as he knows that someone could fund his gambling out of empathy. I will never ever have empathy for someone who is irresponsible with the money that he doesn't own. Like may others reacted, of course I'm not crazy to give out my own money, thinking that it will eventually lose, and gambling itself is risky. Added to irresponsible gamblers, there's no way I will give money to a person like that, and I'm sure no one else will also participate in that, so that could crowdfund funding.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: AmoreJaz on November 21, 2023, 11:23:47 PM
Honestly it's difficult to judge without having to know the real reason why they actually gambled that money away... what if they were short and have tried everything they can think of to try to make the extra cash to pay for a medical operation, or school fees etc...

We need to accept that not everyone gambles for the purpose of fun, most people do this for the money!! And if gambler lost their money and went for the crowdfund option to get it back.. honestly it's a probable chance that I would support such a user , but with a back story I can support it and without it it's not possible.

but the money that he will get from crowdfunding should not be use again in gambling. why not use it directly to the expenses he need to pay? it may not be sufficient but at least lessen some burden. because if you will bet it again to your games, high probability that you will lose it all again. maybe, ill support the crowdfunding process if it won't go back to his gambling. but if you will fund his gambling, then i guess no.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: danherbias07 on November 21, 2023, 11:28:24 PM
Not empathy, but based on his skill.
I have been trying to get a slot of funding for my friend who is good at poker, he does this not because he is broke but because he wants to share the wins and the losses. I talked to him personally about when I could get a slot and he said he would try to get me a reservation because there are already patrons who are always investing in his skill.
100 could become 300 or it will depend on how much the pot will be and it's a tournament so it might take a whole day before the investors will get the results.
I will not fund just anyone. For me, I'd rather pick the gamblers who are my real friends and invest with them especially those who have proof that they can really win games like poker tournaments.
It's easy to see those who are gambling irresponsibly. They are broke most of the time and trusting them with your money might not be a wise idea not because they will try to steal it but because they might not be in the right condition to win their preferred games with their stressed minds.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: serjent05 on November 21, 2023, 11:31:40 PM
Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing.

No I would not invest in a person that has the habit of embezzling fund and gamble it irresponsibly.  In the given case, it is stated that they had done it many times before, so it won't be surprising if they embezzle the fund for crowdfunding and gamble it irresponsibly.

And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?

I would not say a single word, it is their decision and these people use their own money so I have no right whatsoever to comment on their decision.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Ben Barubal on November 21, 2023, 11:39:26 PM
A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?

  Nowadays, it's hard for people to believe what you say. If it's a project that they start with crowdfunding, a lot of people don't trust and believe what you're saying. In short, it's not realistic for it to happen.

  Then why did you think of such a situation? Is there anyone who wants to help gamblers, and in order to do this, you will go through crowdfunding? Is that what you mean, so you went through asking questions here in the forum to see how the community members will respond here?


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: ralle14 on November 22, 2023, 12:34:27 AM
I also have to say no when it comes to crowdfunding a fellow gambler who made a mistake while gambling and the money he receives through crowdfunding might encourage him to do it again since it's not his hard-earned money. If the money is handled by someone else so he can't gamble it away, then maybe others would also change their mind. Then again, I agree with the other posts above because helping someone financially is only a temporary fix to his problem when the real problem is the person's bad decision-making.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: OgNasty on November 22, 2023, 12:36:27 AM
Hell no… Why would you crowdfund for an irresponsible gambler? Thats like giving a crackhead a bunch of crack and then feeling good about yourself because this time they’re not going to smoke it all and buy more, they’re going to use it to ween themselves off crack. This is a sub-80 IQ line of thinking you’d only hear from a Biden voter.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Darker45 on November 22, 2023, 01:02:17 AM
I don't mind sharing my gambling wins. I mean, isn't that a very natural reaction after having a nice gambling run? I've always been doing that.

However, I don't think it's worth contributing to a crowdfund of somebody who badly needs money because he/she gambled what was supposed to be spent for important expenses. To those who are willing to donate, I don't have a problem. It's their money. They're free to do whatever they want with their money. But, for me, I think that isn't a good practice so I wouldn't do that.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Yaunfitda on November 22, 2023, 01:11:38 AM
A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?
Isn't it contradictory though? I mean we all know how gambling is, it can really ruined someone's life specially if they become addicted and can't control themselves and uses the money or funds that is allotted for other important things as you have describe.

Not that I don't want to help someone, but if you really wanted to help it should not be in this case. And this could be another excuse for gamblers to continue with what they are doing. Because at the back of their minds, they might think that they can escape with it is they will or someone in their behalf, will do crowdfund for the money that they have irresponsibly lost to gambling.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: len01 on November 22, 2023, 01:29:52 AM
maybe no.
gambling is not a place to raise funds like investment or other types of profit, whereas gambling is just a place to have fun trying your luck and if we fund other gamblers that is something that is not worth it for me because we gamble to please ourselves and if we fund other gamblers that is just like giving pleasure to other people and if we fund other gamblers or other communities just for the purpose of making a profit it is already breaking the rules of gamblers enjoyment.

but there are some people who give funds to the gambling community but to games that do not rely on luck but to the community of gamblers who play only poker games that rely more on skill than luck. so its worth giving a little money to get profits from professional poker gamblers.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: wxa7115 on November 22, 2023, 01:30:08 AM
A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?
I would have nothing to say to those that choose to donate their money to someone like that as they know way better than myself what they do with their money.

However I would never do this as I feel that I will be enabling bad behavior, going through difficult times after acting irresponsibly is not the end of the world, and in fact it could help a person realize they have been doing something incorrect and change their ways, and we know this is true as there are many people that after getting arrested and staying on jail for a time claim this is the best thing it could happen to them, as it allowed them to see they were going through the wrong path and change their lives.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: uneng on November 22, 2023, 01:35:33 AM
Personaly, I wouldn't share a received prize with gambling community. I think it's a better idea to donate portions of the money to people in need close to me who I know their realities, so I can see if they are using the donated money wisely for their personal growment, or if they are just wasting it on addictions or worthless stuff. There are many people seeking for an opportunity through a helping hand, so they can change their lives, and I think it's on this kind of people that we should to focus our efforts, instead of sponsoring addictive and irresponsible behaviors from individuals who can't manage their finances properly.

Not that these people shouldn't be helped and supported as well, but the approach must be different.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: mcdouglasx on November 22, 2023, 01:47:08 AM
Some have a lot and waste it and others don't have it and need it, addicts sometimes have to hit rock bottom to come to their senses.

example:

I am going to install fiber optics for the first time (I have 1mb/s), the price is $170 for the installation (blessed third world country), I have $40.
 
Will I bet that $40?

I won't do it, because being needy makes people value what we have more.


Now, if a friend is addicted, I would give it to them, and I would tell them to try to get away from it, and to seek professional help, whether they lose or win.

There are friendships that are worth more than money.



Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: ethereumhunter on November 22, 2023, 05:00:14 AM
No. This will only make gamblers feel that they will be helped to meet their living needs while they can still gamble as usual. They may be even more irresponsible in their gambling because they are calm to see that there is crowdfunding that will help them. But if crowdfunding is intended to help problem gamblers cure gambling addiction, for example, maybe crowdfunding can work well. Maybe there are still people who care about others, especially those who experience gambling addiction problems, so from crowdfunding, they can use the funds to help the healing process of people who are addicted to gambling.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Findingnemo on November 22, 2023, 05:04:06 AM
A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?

No way, I don't even consider such an act to be serious because the individual is clearly incompetent in managing their funds so what if he just gambles again with the raised funds?

But the situation will be different if the affected party seek the public help and also need financial support to cover the loss made from irresponsible behaviour of someone then its possible that people will consider giving them help in someway.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: RockBell on November 22, 2023, 05:52:53 AM
Personaly, I wouldn't share a received prize with gambling community. I think it's a better idea to donate portions of the money to people in need close to me who I know their realities, so I can see if they are using the donated money wisely for their personal growment, or if they are just wasting it on addictions or worthless stuff. There are many people seeking for an opportunity through a helping hand, so they can change their lives, and I think it's on this kind of people that we should to focus our efforts, instead of sponsoring addictive and irresponsible behaviors from individuals who can't manage their finances properly.

Not that these people shouldn't be helped and supported as well, but the approach must be different.
If you divide the winnings among the gaming community, they won't understand its worth, and some may even squander the money for more gambling rather than saving it for something worthwhile since they want to win too. Giving the money to those you believe need it—friends and family in particular—is the wiser course of action, as you mentioned. They'll even be grateful for what you've done for them. It's a fact that some people will spend their money on material goods, while others may spend it on things that have no real value. And their are people that they will so use the money well that when you see them you will be impressed with how they spent their money. And if we understand anybody life style we should know what they are capable of doing. So that you don't give and you them spending the money on drugs or something even worst you won't be happy at all.

No. This will only make gamblers feel that they will be helped to meet their living needs while they can still gamble as usual. They may be even more irresponsible in their gambling because they are calm to see that there is crowdfunding that will help them. But if crowdfunding is intended to help problem gamblers cure gambling addiction, for example, maybe crowdfunding can work well. Maybe there are still people who care about others, especially those who experience gambling addiction problems, so from crowdfunding, they can use the funds to help the healing process of people who are addicted to gambling.
Some of them might even perceive you as an incentive to gamble more, just to see whether they will follow suit. That's my constant issue with addicts. They see that nearly everything is motivating. And some of them even function, but they are not a clear solution. It is better to seek professional assistance as soon as it is determined that addiction is the issue. Their are addictions that are worst than gambling the best that can be done if any is noticed then they should recommend help for them. Because addictions like drugs are serious addictions that affect both the victims finance and health.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Outhue on November 22, 2023, 08:00:12 AM
That's a irresponsible gambler, only a fool will raise money for them, sometimes its hard to see through people using their mistakes and if that's what I failed to realize here then this person should stand up for himself and build something first.

Even big crowfunding companies risks their money on something that's half way baked, almost through or within the Beta stage, they make sure that they see somethinh worth risking money on before taking the step, if this person haven't done anything, no past achievements and experience you are simply throwing your money away.

Like I've said, maybe gambling isnt just good for this person but he failed to manage his bankroll that's why he is a irresponsible gambler, to me its a red flag to sponsor such person, but they have the chance to change minds, if he can prove himself one way or the other.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: avp2306 on November 22, 2023, 09:02:22 AM
Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?

Answer with that is a big NO if you help those irresponsible gambler then they can't learn a lesson for action they have done but instead, it will push them more to gamble because they know that there's a community would able to help them once he face another challenge in life. So to help those people its better for him to realize that what he did is so wrong so he need to change his attitude towards gambling so that he will not use those cash which is intended for other more important matter. Giving empathy cannot help them and they need to learn a lesson in a hard way so that they became more better person also could even realize for theirselves that they should not repeat those mistakes since they struggle so bad for taking wrong decisions.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: ethereumhunter on November 22, 2023, 09:38:36 AM
Some of them might even perceive you as an incentive to gamble more, just to see whether they will follow suit. That's my constant issue with addicts. They see that nearly everything is motivating. And some of them even function, but they are not a clear solution. It is better to seek professional assistance as soon as it is determined that addiction is the issue. Their are addictions that are worst than gambling the best that can be done if any is noticed then they should recommend help for them. Because addictions like drugs are serious addictions that affect both the victims finance and health.
If they realize that they are addicted to gambling, they should seek professional help who can help cure their gambling addiction. We cannot recommend help to them while they are still struggling with gambling because that only makes them think that we are there to help them if they have problems. That will not be good for gamblers because they will not realize that we want to help them recover from gambling addiction and not help them to gamble. They will only experience a worse gambling addiction and if that happens, we will be the ones experiencing difficulties and won't be able to help them.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: angrybirdy on November 22, 2023, 10:36:13 AM
A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?
If he gambled irresponsibly, then he does not need crowdfunidng rather he needs to visit a psychologist for help on how to deal with his gambling addiction. Giving money to him is just telling him to continue from where he stopped.

So I don't see the need for crowdfunding such fellow and I will never be a part of it.
Exactly! Why would you waste your time funding an irresponsible gambler in the first place? I'm intrigued by this topic because for me, I won't let myself giving a support and provide financial assistance to a people who gamble because I've learned that when you want to do something like gambling or such things, you have to work hard and make sure you don't rely on others. That's your main responsibility and if you failed to do that, You just showed them that you don't deserve the help they'll give to you, besides I won't tolerate someone who have vices but can't provide for their habits.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: stomachgrowls on November 22, 2023, 10:38:16 AM
Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?

Answer with that is a big NO if you help those irresponsible gambler then they can't learn a lesson for action they have done but instead, it will push them more to gamble because they know that there's a community would able to help them once he face another challenge in life. So to help those people its better for him to realize that what he did is so wrong so he need to change his attitude towards gambling so that he will not use those cash which is intended for other more important matter. Giving empathy cannot help them and they need to learn a lesson in a hard way so that they became more better person also could even realize for theirselves that they should not repeat those mistakes since they struggle so bad for taking wrong decisions.
Definitely a big NO! We are working hard for earning money and i dont see any valid reason for me to show up some support or trying out to crowdfund into those gamblers who do get addicted just because you are really
having some sympathy on them basing on the situation or condition that they are experiencing? It would really be totally out of your mind if you are really that trying out to help those people.FOr what?
You are really just that basically worsening up the situation on trying out to fund them. For what? reasons? Also if you are thinking about trying to help then you arent really that helping them
either so there's no point on doing such thing.

Who would really be on their right minds that would really be doing such action. Spending or donating money just to let someone to play even more? This isnt a solution
on resolving the issue.Unless if we do talk about some funding or showing support about rehabiliation or something speaking about gambling addiction counseling organization
then i might consider on making some donation but if its not then no thanks!


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: aioc on November 22, 2023, 10:56:02 AM
A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?

He doesn't deserve to be supported there's no guarantee that he will not gamble the money, he is not a responsible and honorable person for gambling money that is not supposed to be spent for gambling, those who donate tolerate the guy for his being a chronic gambler.
What he needs is help on how to overcome his gambling addiction he doesn't know how to allocate money for gambling and for important expenses, this person will gamble any amount of money he gets hold of, while he is still addicted to gambling people close to him should not allow him to handle money.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: EluguHcman on November 22, 2023, 11:18:19 AM
A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run.
This happens only when one had fun and also created relationships of good memories around the very gambling tables and had gained a massive (huge) success through the means of same gambling else no one wants to share its peace of Penny cake or giving credits to others who doesn't acknowledge the source of your success.

Right from Time, I hope to believe that if gambling definitely proffers me such succeed, I think of funding (sponsoring) an annual competitions amongst the gamblers. This is strictly going to be free stakes amongst them as they gets on the gambling table while specific (s) positions in the winning roles are awarded basically accordingly.
Thought of doing this is to modify the emotion's of the gamblers hoping to frame a Common relationships with good memories amongst us all.

I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?
I will take such situations for humanity action and not about giving back to the gambling because such a giver could also give to ones else aside the gambling sections. However, such term is considered a friend who deserves help and had to be helped since I am opportuned to mostly especially as long he wasn't in need of it to stake on the gambling but I can bodily say that... If he is known for an addicted gambler then I am definitely turning away because such request being granted could be misused contrarily to the reasons  of his appeals.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: NeilLostBitCoin on November 22, 2023, 12:34:51 PM
A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?

I would hesitate to support a crowdfunding campaign if I knew that the person behind it had lost funds to gambling and that those funds were allocated for important things. Participating in such a campaign could mean that the person may use the funds for gambling activities again.

It is important to respect an individual's personal choices when they decide to donate to crowdfunding. But if I am familiar with the person, I may ask why they want to assist certain individuals. If the person still wishes to provide help, I will not interfere with their decision.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Iroh on November 22, 2023, 12:57:07 PM
I won’t bother to crowdfund for any gambler who has been irresponsible with his gambling habit. Someone who is into gambling should know the risks and most importantly, know that you should only use funds allocated for such purposes.
In a lot of cases, after crying out on social media seeking assistance and later being bailed out, that individual might later again go down the same path that initially led him to seek assistance from friends and strangers online having thoughts of being bailed out again if anything goes wrong again.

There are certain scenarios which I would willingly crowdfund for, but a gambler having knowingly and willingly spent funds not supposed to be spent, isn’t one of them.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Unbunplease on November 22, 2023, 12:58:08 PM

Answer with that is a big NO if you help those irresponsible gambler then they can't learn a lesson for action they have done but instead, it will push them more to gamble because they know that there's a community would able to help them once he face another challenge in life. So to help those people its better for him to realize that what he did is so wrong so he need to change his attitude towards gambling so that he will not use those cash which is intended for other more important matter. Giving empathy cannot help them and they need to learn a lesson in a hard way so that they became more better person also could even realize for theirselves that they should not repeat those mistakes since they struggle so bad for taking wrong decisions.

There is an expression - "even a stick shoots once a year", so even the most irresponsible player can become very lucky. He doesn't have any brakes, he does things first and thinks later. Sometimes such people are the ones who achieve maximum success


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: avp2306 on November 22, 2023, 12:58:16 PM
Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?

Answer with that is a big NO if you help those irresponsible gambler then they can't learn a lesson for action they have done but instead, it will push them more to gamble because they know that there's a community would able to help them once he face another challenge in life. So to help those people its better for him to realize that what he did is so wrong so he need to change his attitude towards gambling so that he will not use those cash which is intended for other more important matter. Giving empathy cannot help them and they need to learn a lesson in a hard way so that they became more better person also could even realize for theirselves that they should not repeat those mistakes since they struggle so bad for taking wrong decisions.
Definitely a big NO! We are working hard for earning money and i dont see any valid reason for me to show up some support or trying out to crowdfund into those gamblers who do get addicted just because you are really
having some sympathy on them basing on the situation or condition that they are experiencing? It would really be totally out of your mind if you are really that trying out to help those people.FOr what?
You are really just that basically worsening up the situation on trying out to fund them. For what? reasons? Also if you are thinking about trying to help then you arent really that helping them
either so there's no point on doing such thing.

Who would really be on their right minds that would really be doing such action. Spending or donating money just to let someone to play even more? This isnt a solution
on resolving the issue.Unless if we do talk about some funding or showing support about rehabiliation or something speaking about gambling addiction counseling organization
then i might consider on making some donation but if its not then no thanks!

Who in the right mind will do a crowdfunding just to save a irresponsible gambler to get out on the mess he created? For sure no one will help him since its his own decision to be in that worst situation so he need to face a consequence on the action he do.

And for sure if he will not get any help from random people for sure he can learn a lot of things since he would provably realize that he create a huge mistake of his life.

So we should never give a damn taking those problem of other people especially if they don't deserve to get a help since as I said they will not learn from their mistake if there's someone will always save their ass from the mess they enter.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Blitzboy on November 22, 2023, 01:14:52 PM
So you want to know what the meaning is of gambling wins and crowdfunding gambling losses? The truth is that gambling is a game of luck and skill. Some days you win and some days you lose. Should people who win give back? Okay, why not? Its a nice touch to share happiness. Crowdfunding for people who lost their rent money at the tables, though? Lets be honest here.

This has nothing to do with being cruel; it has to do with being responsible. When you gamble, you're having fun, not planning your finances. Donors to these kinds of groups are doing good things, but they are really just supporting a bad way of thinking. Putting a band-aid on a gunshot wound is the same thing. Encouraging? Could be. Wise? Not really.

Going to the casino should be fun and exciting, not a way to get out of making bad choices. Thats how it should stay. Dont use gambling as a crutch for people who arent smart. Keep it fun.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: coin-investor on November 22, 2023, 02:10:56 PM
... whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?

You've just agreed that he did the right thing and tolerated his being a compulsive gambler he should be ashamed of himself for asking for money because he lost his money that is intended for important things.
People should not support a gambler for crowdfunding if he has lost his money as he misplaced it and if he shows us proof that he indeed lost his money then we can support him.
I don't think I can support this kind of gambler I will not even give him a penny for being an irresponsible gambler.
People should list their priorities when it comes to money and gambling is not something you prioritize, it should be the least of your priorities.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Gozie51 on November 22, 2023, 02:26:01 PM
Well my take on this is that he should try again next time but to play reasonably. He should not expect crowdfunding when he has behaved irresponsibly. However, I believe addicts can sympathize with him because they understand it and perhaps have been in same shoes before. I don't think I would encourage him to bet with money he can't afford to forego by helping in crowdfunding because that is what it seem like.

Gambling is not a guarantee for profit, so we should play responsibly and bear our consequences because profit never gets to another man's pocket.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: bluebit25 on November 22, 2023, 02:32:39 PM
As a regular player, I will be willing to spend the winning money on community activities. However, I think that these forms are just mentioned to exchange concepts, and I do not believe that many parties are willing to pay for community supports, when most of us are trying to avoid taxes, so don't talk about community contributions, but these are just parts and they do not reflect the full nuances of what is going on.

But anyway, I also highly encourage activities to support and build society, not just through donation activities. In gambling tournaments, I remember there were fundraising matches and that was really brings great meaning when money can support everyone.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Saisher on November 22, 2023, 02:34:10 PM
You can be considered an irresponsible individual,  if you help crowdfund an irresponsible gambler, it's his fault that he loses his money so he should be the one to look for a solution to replace the money that he loses and not beg for money, for all we know he will use the money that people gave him to gamble again.
We should ignore these kinds of people who are not responsible for what they do, the first rule in gambling is only playing with money that you can afford to lose, this means he doesn't know what's money for playing and what's money for important needs.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Helena Yu on November 22, 2023, 02:43:25 PM
they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing.
If they gambled away their funds that should be for important needs, do you think they will not gambled away someone money? most people don't give a damn to money from their friends because they think people comes and go, so if they lose one friend, they can search for a new friend. That's why there's a lot case relationship was destroyed because of not repaying a loan.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: 0t3p0t on November 22, 2023, 02:50:27 PM
A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?
I don't think so. Based on my understanding the guy is irresponsible and he is untrustworthy for that mistake. We are not sure if he really will keep that funds for it's purpose or he will use it again and again in gambling. What he has done should not be tolerated by co-gamblers or else suffer for the worst in the future.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: vv181 on November 22, 2023, 02:51:07 PM
Stupid choices. The people themselves made a bad decision, so why should we collectively support and endorse such kind of behavior? The important project as you said is a basic need or necessity, and if someone loses money from gambling instead of preserving the funds for that purpose, then surely it is foolish behavior.

It is not a matter of empathy, but if someone donates to such kind of people, they would rather feel safe and still neglect their responsibility. They would simply think that if they all lost the money, they still get the community back up funds. Which is absurd. Nevertheless, it is a whole completely different problem, if the person itself is heavily addicted so their psychology is affected.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Latviand on November 22, 2023, 03:13:57 PM
No, they've tried to do what the FedEx CEO did when their company is on the verge of bankruptcy, it's their own fault that they've put their priorities in a crooked line so why am I shouldering the burden and is obligated to help them rebuild their own mishaps? I think people are getting it easier nowadays when it comes to consequences so they do stupid stuff like this one and then try to make it everyone's problem when it's clearly their fault. If I ever come across that kind of person, I would probably laugh on their faces because they've made an avoidable mistake, why let me in on your problem? I don't even know you.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: KTChampions on November 22, 2023, 04:27:59 PM
Stupid choices. The people themselves made a bad decision, so why should we collectively support and endorse such kind of behavior? The important project as you said is a basic need or necessity, and if someone loses money from gambling instead of preserving the funds for that purpose, then surely it is foolish behavior.

It is not a matter of empathy, but if someone donates to such kind of people, they would rather feel safe and still neglect their responsibility. They would simply think that if they all lost the money, they still get the community back up funds. Which is absurd. Nevertheless, it is a whole completely different problem, if the person itself is heavily addicted so their psychology is affected.

Yes, such “help” only breeds scammers and dependents. I have seen several videos on YouTube about people living in tents on the street in California and Los Angeles. They do nothing but use drugs and live like vegetables. They don’t have to try because local municipalities spend 60 thousand dollars a year on them (lol more than some workers earn by honest labor). They are not disabled, they could work, but since there is an opportunity, they chose a parasitic lifestyle.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: maydna on November 22, 2023, 04:43:36 PM
You can be considered an irresponsible individual,  if you help crowdfund an irresponsible gambler, it's his fault that he loses his money so he should be the one to look for a solution to replace the money that he loses and not beg for money, for all we know he will use the money that people gave him to gamble again.
We should ignore these kinds of people who are not responsible for what they do, the first rule in gambling is only playing with money that you can afford to lose, this means he doesn't know what's money for playing and what's money for important needs.
We should distribute the money to people who need it rather than to irresponsible gamblers because, after all, it is difficult for irresponsible gamblers to change their habits. He needs to realize his mistakes and start changing them for the better so that if there are people who want to help him, the help will not be in vain, and they can actually use the money for things that are more useful than just gambling. Those who have gambled irresponsibly should be able to realize that they have crossed their limits and should immediately return to their original goal, especially if they have lost a lot of money. They must remember that when gambling, they must be able to gamble with the money they can afford, always limit their money and time, and be able to be responsible with themselves while gambling.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Nerdy doctor on November 22, 2023, 05:30:08 PM
Yeah, I don’t have something better to do with money than to give it away to a gambler who purposefully gambled away money meant for something else. It’s crazy how people think sometimes.
How then would he have us believe the money being crowd sourced would be used for what he claims to want to use the money for and not gambling the money away.. If the person isn’t disciplined enough and uses the money allocated for something else in gambling, then there is little doubt the person could use the money crowd funded to gamble again. Now why would I donate to such a cause?


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Cookdata on November 22, 2023, 06:13:09 PM
A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?

I will support a community if I hit a jackpot, I mean there is this great feeling you will have if you win one of the biggest jackpot and then help a community like a rural area to dig a boreholes so they can have access to water easily instead of going far to go and get water. You will not only get personal joy but your name will remain golden in that community.

But why would I crowd fund a fellow gambler when he knows the risk involved and still went ahead. If we all follow due protocol of gambling, most this things are not to be discussed because you were not supposed to gamble with the money you need in the first place. If any gambler do that, will there be need to crowd fund a person that did an open mistake? No, I will not add a single penny.

In gambling website, it's bodly written that a gambler must be 18+ and by that if an age person have the power to gamble, they will equally have the power to take responsibility and when you take some bad actions, it has consequences which must be face without inconveniencing any person.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Falconer on November 22, 2023, 08:46:16 PM
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I will support a community if I hit a jackpot, I mean there is this great feeling you will have if you win one of the biggest jackpot and then help a community like a rural area to dig a boreholes so they can have access to water easily instead of going far to go and get water. You will not only get personal joy but your name will remain golden in that community.
I prefer to call it charity, but you certainly don't need to wait for the jackpot if you want to do charity. I don't know if world charities also help mental rehabilitation foundations for problem gamblers, but if there are then I think it's much better than giving them cash compensation.

But why would I crowd fund a fellow gambler when he knows the risk involved and still went ahead. If we all follow due protocol of gambling, most this things are not to be discussed because you were not supposed to gamble with the money you need in the first place. If any gambler do that, will there be need to crowd fund a person that did an open mistake? No, I will not add a single penny.

In gambling website, it's bodly written that a gambler must be 18+ and by that if an age person have the power to gamble, they will equally have the power to take responsibility and when you take some bad actions, it has consequences which must be face without inconveniencing any person.
In a previous post, I stated that Crowdfunding for problem gamblers is not an attractive idea.
I don't agree with the idea for the same reasons, but I support if there is a rehabilitation foundation that can help these problem gamblers get out of their heavy addiction. Of course every gambler must be a responsible gambler, but it is never easy because most gamblers will eventually have an impact on their finances if the level of addiction has become too severe.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Mahanton on November 22, 2023, 08:59:01 PM
You can be considered an irresponsible individual,  if you help crowdfund an irresponsible gambler, it's his fault that he loses his money so he should be the one to look for a solution to replace the money that he loses and not beg for money, for all we know he will use the money that people gave him to gamble again.
We should ignore these kinds of people who are not responsible for what they do, the first rule in gambling is only playing with money that you can afford to lose, this means he doesn't know what's money for playing and what's money for important needs.
We should distribute the money to people who need it rather than to irresponsible gamblers because, after all, it is difficult for irresponsible gamblers to change their habits. He needs to realize his mistakes and start changing them for the better so that if there are people who want to help him, the help will not be in vain, and they can actually use the money for things that are more useful than just gambling. Those who have gambled irresponsibly should be able to realize that they have crossed their limits and should immediately return to their original goal, especially if they have lost a lot of money. They must remember that when gambling, they must be able to gamble with the money they can afford, always limit their money and time, and be able to be responsible with themselves while gambling.
Yes, it would really be that worth rather than on giving into those addicted gamblers.I would rather be donating something on a charity on which it is really that something being useful into those people who are in need
and not into some addicted fellas who are really that tending to support their addiction even further?No one into their right minds that will really be making out such step on trying out to support
into those people but rather they would be something spending which into those who are really worth on getting such help. You are the ones who would held responsible into your actions
on which it would really be just that normal that you would be the ones who would really be suffering the consequences.

Helping out to those addicted person via giving out more funding? You are really just worsening up the situation on which we know that this isnt really he solution
on quitting gambling for good but rather it would really be adding up the overall addiction that you could potentially have. So better be wary and be careful on the things that you've been
dealing off with.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Casdinyard on November 22, 2023, 09:23:44 PM
"would you keep buying an alcoholic more booze" Is what I read and understand from this question.

regardless of if whether he's the best gambler on the planet or the worst, which he probably is cause I haven't seen anyone who's making a killing at gambling let the fact ruin their life, I'm not going to be the cause of another man's problem. I say instead of submitting to his vices and funding his addiction, instead work on efforts that would rehabilitate him, now that's a better answer yeah? At the very least when you do this, you're making sure they get another chance at life instead of further digging their graves and giving them more problems than they know what to do with. Besides, it's just a bad investment no matter how you look at it, so just don't invest financially on people like these. Expend your time, and effort into something else.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Hispo on November 22, 2023, 10:51:37 PM
I am not sure if I would, to be honest. Obviously, I would be afraid of the money being misused and also gambled away in an irresponsible way. On the other hand, I would also like to help someone who would be struggling in some situation, not much,  but something reasonable for a crowdfunding.
Perhaps, if there was credible evidence the money would be used to pay for important things like food, or education, then it would be encouraging for more people to step forward and help the gambler or former gambler.

In general, people can be very cautious when comes to donations in cash/crypto, Thurs it is easier for all of us in general to get donations in food, medicine, etc ...
One has to have a big heart in order to support a gambler with money..


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Zlantann on November 22, 2023, 11:11:51 PM
A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing.

It doesn't make sense to sponsor anybody's gambling activities because gaming is should be a personal adventure. There was a question one time about partnering with someone to finance a bet and I kindly stated that there is no need to put funds together to use it for gambling because we should gamble based on our financial capacity. If a young student gambles with his school fees out of inexperience, I can assist such a person in paying his fees because it was a mistake. But if he consistently engages in such activities, he would receive nothing from me. But if an adult out of his greed loses funds that are meant for another project on gambling, that's his business because such a person knows the consequences of his actions. Many people have lost in gambling including me and we had to suffer the consequences alone.

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And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?

Everybody has the right to use his/her money in any how that suits them. If somebody is compassionate enough to donate to gamblers who lost money due to gaming, that's their business. But they should be careful because people can lie about anything to extort money from the public. But like I said you cannot control anybody's financial life.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: dothebeats on November 22, 2023, 11:12:38 PM
Definitely not. It's like I'm being an accessory to their addiction. If I myself can't fund my own gambling activities that much, why would I fund and support someone who's been proven to be irresponsible and cannot control themselves? I can support them in some way but certainly not financially. If the person will not hold the funds directly and will only get what they need in order to recover from their addiction, perhaps I can help with that. Otherwise, I won't extend any financial help at all.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Huppercase on November 22, 2023, 11:15:00 PM
A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?

I don't think there is further discussion about it because you made mention of irresponsibly. Who help man that do things irresponsibly? Not even his close people will know something of such and want to render any financial help to him and what is even the assertiveness that he wouldn't go back to that gambling after helping him out, helping an irresponsible gambler is like fueling his car to go back where he is not supposed to be in his life.

An irresponsible person I believe the person to be a person that is not change, they are such I will view as a person that is an addict but if for instance it's an emergency fund to help raise a school fee and I know that they are going to drop out, I will gladly help because I'm also a human being and humanity should preceed everything we do in life but must not be all the time.

If we must also help him financially and he is willing, he should also be ready for many advice because they need to be changed, there is a reason why we are all friends right and it is our duty to help each other at difficult situations.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Wiwo on November 22, 2023, 11:24:22 PM
A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thinking of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining a keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?
It's hard to say at this point if I will be willing to contribute to crowd-fund a person who gambles away money meant for an important project,  because as far as I am concerned,  if the project was important to the gamblers,  he won't have taken such step to waste or risk the money on an uncertain thing like gambling,  and beside the said individual may be likely be suffering from gambling addictions and at that,  any amount that is giving to him in form of support may likely be gambling away like the way the first money was gamble away also.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: TimeTeller on November 22, 2023, 11:34:11 PM
A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thinking of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining a keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?
It's hard to say at this point if I will be willing to contribute to crowd-fund a person who gambles away money meant for an important project,  because as far as I am concerned,  if the project was important to the gamblers,  he won't have taken such step to waste or risk the money on an uncertain thing like gambling,  and beside the said individual may be likely be suffering from gambling addictions and at that,  any amount that is giving to him in form of support may likely be gambling away like the way the first money was gamble away also.

On my part, I think, I won't support this kind of cause. We all know that there is no assurance in gambling.
So if he will gamble the money that is allotted for important things, the likelihood of getting out without any money at all is high.
Better secure the funds first and if there is extra, that is when you can use those funds to gamble without guilt.
Hard to support this type of cause because you will be embarrassed to those who will support and then afterwards they will see there's nothing left with the funds.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Wiwo on November 22, 2023, 11:42:12 PM

On my part, I think, I won't support this kind of cause. We all know that there is no assurance in gambling.
So if he gambles the money that is allotted for important things, the likelihood of getting out without any money at all is high.
Very well,  the only time that I can help such a person is when maybe there is a health issue with the individual,  and there is a need for money for medical support, but if it is to give out money to aid the gambler to continue gambling,  I won't try to do that at anytime soon,  because that will worsen his case instead helping him,  but also since he already indebted why still putting him under pressure to continue on a recovery movement even though we know that there is nothing like that in gambling since the outcome is always uncertain and unpredictable.

So for best help for the individual,  is to take a break from gambling and not to seek social media help to continue gambling which will just be a continuation of the gambling event that got him into that situation in the first place.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Accardo on November 22, 2023, 11:49:30 PM
It's quite difficult for such a gambler to get the financial assistance they seek. In the online gambling community, people are told to gamble responsibly. Hence, when they refuse to adhere by the primary advise, others would hardly help the person, in need. The question is close to the incident of a boy who played his school fees and rushed back to the casino to forgive him and fund him back. Seriously, these players, as fellow gamblers, already are known to waste the money. I don't think anybody will crowdfund an irresponsible gambler. They're possibilities he isn't a gambler and manipulates the results to gain pity online. If it's a person I've known, and their behavior proves otherwise. He may get a different treatment. But, online on social media; the society are more likely to ignore the player. Unlike in the real life situation. Once he finishes from the environment and doesn't get any support. I don't think, the gambler would find love elsewhere, online. Reasons, behind this carelessness on the gambler. Is to teach him of the importance of managing his money properly. Doesn't it look inappropriate to wager our house rent, school fees etc on gambling.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: n0ne on November 22, 2023, 11:59:11 PM
I might help, and it is all about the financial goodness of me. If I were with enough funds and the reason is true I'll surely help him. I once tried this at my very critical situation and things didn't work when I lost my money kept for my marriage. Further I arranged the money taking a loan. During those days I've thought of similar things, if I were good enough with money need to support incidents like this. Because they don't engage with purpose of losing, the mind will be with the positive hope of making little more money and stay financially good. The reality used to be opposite from what they expect.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Mayor of ogba on November 23, 2023, 01:52:44 AM
I will not help such gamblers in raising funds for themselves through crowdfunding because for someone to use his school fees or marriage money for gambling, it means the person is addicted to gambling and the person should seek a way out of gambling. Secondly, he/she should suffer the consequences of using huge money meant for an important project to gamble, and the person might use the money gotten from crowdfunding to place another gamble.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Hirose UK on November 23, 2023, 02:31:46 AM
I might help, and it is all about the financial goodness of me. If I were with enough funds and the reason is true I'll surely help him. I once tried this at my very critical situation and things didn't work when I lost my money kept for my marriage. Further I arranged the money taking a loan. During those days I've thought of similar things, if I were good enough with money need to support incidents like this. Because they don't engage with purpose of losing, the mind will be with the positive hope of making little more money and stay financially good. The reality used to be opposite from what they expect.
I also agree that if you are able to do it, you will definitely be able or willing to help even if you have to spend money, but here gambling is an activity where you really don't know for sure when it will produce winning or profits, so think about donating it maybe only when win large amount.
We are currently living in an era that is developing rapidly, but currently the economy in every country can be said to be declining and in several countries including mine are experiencing difficulties in earning money, so will prioritize being able to meet our living needs.
That is why the most appropriate reason is to be willing to help or donate money when you are able or indeed in the situation where you have just won from gambling because of course we all also have needs or interests that cannot just be forgotten.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: vv181 on November 23, 2023, 05:03:55 AM
Stupid choices. The people themselves made a bad decision, so why should we collectively support and endorse such kind of behavior? The important project as you said is a basic need or necessity, and if someone loses money from gambling instead of preserving the funds for that purpose, then surely it is foolish behavior.

It is not a matter of empathy, but if someone donates to such kind of people, they would rather feel safe and still neglect their responsibility. They would simply think that if they all lost the money, they still get the community back up funds. Which is absurd. Nevertheless, it is a whole completely different problem, if the person itself is heavily addicted so their psychology is affected.

Yes, such “help” only breeds scammers and dependents. I have seen several videos on YouTube about people living in tents on the street in California and Los Angeles. They do nothing but use drugs and live like vegetables. They don’t have to try because local municipalities spend 60 thousand dollars a year on them (lol more than some workers earn by honest labor). They are not disabled, they could work, but since there is an opportunity, they chose a parasitic lifestyle.

Ah yeah, surely it also can potentially abused by the scammers, they may make a made-up story about why they got into financial ruin from gambling and such things. It is prone to those consequences. Hence it is a bad idea and decision in the first place.

Welfare funds surely have their own place, as I have mentioned, it is different cases if the matter is those who are psychologically affected. Addiction is a no joke, but it cannot simply be solved by merely supporting in a financial manner.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: angrybirdy on November 23, 2023, 11:19:13 AM
Stupid choices. The people themselves made a bad decision, so why should we collectively support and endorse such kind of behavior? The important project as you said is a basic need or necessity, and if someone loses money from gambling instead of preserving the funds for that purpose, then surely it is foolish behavior.

It is not a matter of empathy, but if someone donates to such kind of people, they would rather feel safe and still neglect their responsibility. They would simply think that if they all lost the money, they still get the community back up funds. Which is absurd. Nevertheless, it is a whole completely different problem, if the person itself is heavily addicted so their psychology is affected.

Yes, such “help” only breeds scammers and dependents. I have seen several videos on YouTube about people living in tents on the street in California and Los Angeles. They do nothing but use drugs and live like vegetables. They don’t have to try because local municipalities spend 60 thousand dollars a year on them (lol more than some workers earn by honest labor). They are not disabled, they could work, but since there is an opportunity, they chose a parasitic lifestyle.

Ah yeah, surely it also can potentially abused by the scammers, they may make a made-up story about why they got into financial ruin from gambling and such things. It is prone to those consequences. Hence it is a bad idea and decision in the first place.

Welfare funds surely have their own place, as I have mentioned, it is different cases if the matter is those who are psychologically affected. Addiction is a no joke, but it cannot simply be solved by merely supporting in a financial manner.
Precisely! You can't resolve a gambler's problem by funding or lending him a money especially if the gambler is suffering in any psychological behavior like Obsession and Addiction. If you really want to help a gambler, you can suggest them to consult in a professionals. If you continue to give money to a gambler, you just tolerate their wrongdoing especially if you notice that something is wrong with their actions.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: maydna on November 23, 2023, 01:14:44 PM
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Yes, it would really be that worth rather than on giving into those addicted gamblers.I would rather be donating something on a charity on which it is really that something being useful into those people who are in need
and not into some addicted fellas who are really that tending to support their addiction even further?No one into their right minds that will really be making out such step on trying out to support
into those people but rather they would be something spending which into those who are really worth on getting such help. You are the ones who would held responsible into your actions
on which it would really be just that normal that you would be the ones who would really be suffering the consequences.

Helping out to those addicted person via giving out more funding? You are really just worsening up the situation on which we know that this isnt really he solution
on quitting gambling for good but rather it would really be adding up the overall addiction that you could potentially have. So better be wary and be careful on the things that you've been
dealing off with.
Giving money to people who need it can at least help lighten their burden and give them hope to keep trying. But if we provide help to people who are addicted to gambling, it doesn't seem worth it, but maybe if the money can help cure their gambling addiction, it's still worth it because it's for the sake of curing their gambling addiction. They also don't need to think about medical costs for the therapies they have to do because there is already assistance to pay the costs.

It would be more appropriate to give besides helping people who really need help because the money can be distributed to those who need it. So instead of giving the money to those who gamble, which will only add to their problems, we should give it to those who need it more, especially those who still have difficulty buying their daily necessities.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: redsun114 on November 23, 2023, 01:24:31 PM
I wouldn't be interested in doing the crowdfunding for him since he didn't make a mistake or scammed out of his money but he gambled it away in all his senses possibly out of greed and he deserved to learn his lesson. However, if I feel that he is extremely ashamed of what he did and in severe need of funds, I might do it but only on one condition, that the funds will not be in his possession and will go directly to the cause that he is worried about because I wouldn't trust him to do it if he has the funds and can gamble them away as well.

I have seen a lot of such cases where people lost money that was supposed to be used for something important in gambling only because they thought they could make more money with it and then keep the extra money and use the actual amount for what it was for and lost the money and then regretted it badly.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Coin_trader on November 23, 2023, 01:43:28 PM
Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?

Definitely not. By donating to this fellow gambler that didn’t manage well his finances was you are just allowing him or support him to his poor financial management. He should think carefully about his needs before he start betting his money away without any extra funds available on his wallet to cover his emergency fund.

The only time I might consider donating is when he encounter an accident which his gambling is not sufficient to cover the fee. Not because he lose it all to gambling but rather the unforeseen expenses is too huge to cover by all of his fund. I believe that sometimes there’s an emergency that is greater than what we can handle. This is the time which I can help .


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: swogerino on November 23, 2023, 01:53:45 PM
A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?

That should be a big no as an answer as you don't know what such gambler will do with the amount of money you crowdfund him,if he has been irresponsible before chances are very high he will continue to do so unless he learns a very hard lesson in the hardest of ways.

I would have no empathy in this case as this gambler has surpassed the limit of where my empathy goes,if someone would have lost a huge amount of money trying to achieve a specific thing without an irresponsible behavior I would gladly crowdfund him with what I can afford to crowdfund him,this person is honest at least and has not done things like the above.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Sunderland on November 23, 2023, 02:04:38 PM
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Maybe, if I knew the guy but no for stranger from the internet.
Perhaps not a crowfunding but a donation to be precisely.

Any crowfunding with that reason shall be failed from the beginning.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: YOSHIE on November 23, 2023, 02:42:07 PM
And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?
I often see crowdfunding, this kind of practice occurs in projects, businesses, investments and so on, but I rarely see it, this kind of funding practice can occur in gambling both locally and internationally.

For me I don't know what to say about Crowdfunding policy, if I do it, even though it is something that people want to do online all over the world.

Maybe to raise funds there are other alternatives besides Crowdfunding, which are wiser, although I don't know whether Crowdfunding exists or not, the point is that gambling is risky, it's better to use your own money, it might be more overall.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Accardo on November 23, 2023, 03:24:42 PM
I wouldn't be interested in doing the crowdfunding for him since he didn't make a mistake or scammed out of his money but he gambled it away in all his senses possibly out of greed and he deserved to learn his lesson. However, if I feel that he is extremely ashamed of what he did and in severe need of funds, I might do it but only on one condition, that the funds will not be in his possession and will go directly to the cause that he is worried about because I wouldn't trust him to do it if he has the funds and can gamble them away as well.

I have seen a lot of such cases where people lost money that was supposed to be used for something important in gambling only because they thought they could make more money with it and then keep the extra money and use the actual amount for what it was for and lost the money and then regretted it badly.

Handing out financial help to an addict is quite inadmissible. He'll go back to where he stopped, and waste the money. How is he going to fund back the money, to the lender? I think the person who deserves such help, could be a new gambler, with less experience. If he shares a polite, moral and logical true story, explaining how he got carried away. Then, people can help out, especially, when he's a modest person, looking to begin a fresh habit in gambling. The right thing is your suggestion. Endeavor he doesn't get it directly. As we can't for sure determine his level of inattentiveness in becoming a changed person, or whether he's being swayed by somebody else. And he's got the begging idea to deceive people. Unless his loss dropped him in an inconsolable situation, the player wouldn't deserve any direct help at the moment. Therefore, those who are in the disposal of helping, should be careful with their decision. Because, if neglected because of the multiple factors that qualifies the gambler to be lying. It could be an expensive mistake on the helpers end, broken, immature players are very vulnerable. And could harm themselves, from the thoughts of losing out all they've got in gambling. Many times, when people are genuinely interested in changing through their mistakes, they're being judged by the actions of others who were in similar problem in the past. And we end up regretting our hard decision on the person. By not helping them, I think once we're sure he is sincere, and promises to pay back, he should be helped.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: junder on November 23, 2023, 03:39:48 PM

Ah yeah, surely it also can potentially abused by the scammers, they may make a made-up story about why they got into financial ruin from gambling and such things. It is prone to those consequences. Hence it is a bad idea and decision in the first place.

Welfare funds surely have their own place, as I have mentioned, it is different cases if the matter is those who are psychologically affected. Addiction is a no joke, but it cannot simply be solved by merely supporting in a financial manner.
Precisely! You can't resolve a gambler's problem by funding or lending him a money especially if the gambler is suffering in any psychological behavior like Obsession and Addiction. If you really want to help a gambler, you can suggest them to consult in a professionals. If you continue to give money to a gambler, you just tolerate their wrongdoing especially if you notice that something is wrong with their actions.

Helping or giving a budget to gamblers is a ridiculous thing you  do if your goal is to help solve their problems, do you know that gambling addicts always want to gamble at all costs? and if you give them a budget it is like you give them a new breath to return to gambling and depend on luck. This is not a good way but what happens is that the gambler will get worse in his gambling involvement, if you really want to help them then you should be able to consider what their problem is, if their problem is gambling addiction then don't choose that way, it's the same as telling them to go back to gambling by lending them your money.

What you should do is find a way to help them in implementing any restrictions for the best that should be done to overcome the problem, as you said, you might be able to give some suggestions to them with reasonable statements that can at least make them realize that their activity is very severe and only causes  a lot of problems. And also other things maybe you can suggest them to do meditation or go to a rehabilitation place to restore their mindset and common sense.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: adultcrypto on November 23, 2023, 03:46:30 PM
Gambling is not something to start with or do with borrowed funds or money that is not yours, why would someone need to be crowdfunded for the sake of gambling. Worst case is that it is a case of a failed gambler, so there is no guarantee that the funds will not be lost again.

I will rather donate the money to charity than crowdfund a failed gambler.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Dzwaafu11 on November 23, 2023, 04:01:35 PM
A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective.

You know, giving out is mind, not wealth. There are people that have money and win huge amounts of money in gambling but can’t help the needy, and we still have people that win small and help people around them, so therefore. I can say they also help because we have gamblers in my area, and up until now, if they win money in gambling, they help people financially. But not every time, though, and I can say that gamblers often help people financially.

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Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?

Among all these things you mention, I will choose only two, which are school fees and house rent, because they are the most important things at that time since I would not like to see someone seeking help for his or her school fees. I have the money but can't help, and we are all students, so if I can, I will help him out to avoid dropping out of school. Some things happen that we didn’t expect to reach some extent, and this type of mistake is unavoidable. Sometimes, it can happen to anyone.
 
But for investments and the remaining ones, I will advise him to live them  at the moment until he has the money to do them. He should avoid gambling and look for another thing to do to earn money so that he can do the investment or marriage he wants to do.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: ChiBitCTy on November 23, 2023, 04:11:12 PM
There is no way that I'm helping out a degenerate gambler whom should have known better and not gotten themselves in a position where they literally need to crowd fund to help "stay afloat".  This is ridiculous.  The only way I MIGHT consider it is if it were a very close friend of mine or perhaps a relative.  Even then I would probably struggle to help them.  I just don't have a ton of sympathy.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: MainIbem on November 23, 2023, 04:12:12 PM
Charity is one important thing people should participate and when we as individual always wanting to jeopardize that opportunity you would find out that some people stops giving why because they always sees as a means of survival. Then boils down to the next, well I will say I can't crowdfunds such people knowing too well that gambling is not what one should be trusted of because after becoming successful or let's say you wanna start distributing games to people those games giving out how sure are we is to play accordingly meanwhile there may be some people who would put a meaningful amount thinking it's a life changing game without knowing it won't go according to how it was planned.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Gozie51 on November 23, 2023, 04:22:33 PM
I might help, and it is all about the financial goodness of me. If I were with enough funds and the reason is true I'll surely help him. I once tried this at my very critical situation and things didn't work when I lost my money kept for my marriage. Further I arranged the money taking a loan. During those days I've thought of similar things, if I were good enough with money need to support incidents like this. Because they don't engage with purpose of losing, the mind will be with the positive hope of making little more money and stay financially good. The reality used to be opposite from what they expect.

I have thought it that way that those who have been in such shoes are those that won't think twice to help crowdfund for him because they have tried it before either succeeded or failed so they understand how it is to lose monies meant for important and urgent stuff to gambling. But to go gambling, one should already understand that it is a risk in the first place, meaning you can lose all which is the case we have seen. To try doubling your marriage money or school fees in gambling is the height of irresponsible gambling.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Ben Barubal on November 23, 2023, 04:40:56 PM
A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?

  Even if the purpose is excellent and the project is tied to gambling, crowdfunding does not appear to be a good idea in my perspective. I had already investigated here in the forum that there was financing in ICO projects during 2017.

  But I haven't seen anyone in the crypto area who has done a crowdfunding initiative involving or related to gaming. I don't appear to have discovered anything that is consistent with my investigation.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Stepstowealth on November 23, 2023, 05:29:21 PM
And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?
There are people that have been crowdfunded for other reasons like out of love from people who love them. This people are already rich, but you get to see lots of people who are struggling to survive still donate their hard earned money to these people on celebrations like their birthdays, I find it foolish. These people can crowdfund anybody and anyone, they will not find it difficult if a popular gambler they love who has gambled irresponsibly ask for help in the form of financial supporters.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: electronicash on November 23, 2023, 06:15:37 PM
And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?
There are people that have been crowdfunded for other reasons like out of love from people who love them. This people are already rich, but you get to see lots of people who are struggling to survive still donate their hard earned money to these people on celebrations like their birthdays, I find it foolish. These people can crowdfund anybody and anyone, they will not find it difficult if a popular gambler they love who has gambled irresponsibly ask for help in the form of financial supporters.

too naive to still support the person right?  and you couldn't really trust the guy is he said this time that the funds generated from this crowdfund would be used right to what is intended.  he gambled away the money that was originally meant for something. there is no assurance he will not gamble again the money to chase the loss.

anyway, it's all up to him already. if someone still trusts him. then maybe he really is worth trusting. not me. i'm struggling myself.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Ruttoshi on November 23, 2023, 07:01:38 PM
And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?
There are people that have been crowdfunded for other reasons like out of love from people who love them. This people are already rich, but you get to see lots of people who are struggling to survive still donate their hard earned money to these people on celebrations like their birthdays, I find it foolish. These people can crowdfund anybody and anyone, they will not find it difficult if a popular gambler they love who has gambled irresponsibly ask for help in the form of financial supporters.

too naive to still support the person right?  and you couldn't really trust the guy is he said this time that the funds generated from this crowdfund would be used right to what is intended.  he gambled away the money that was originally meant for something. there is no assurance he will not gamble again the money to chase the loss.

anyway, it's all up to him already. if someone still trusts him. then maybe he really is worth trusting. not me. i'm struggling myself.
It is only due to sympathy that will make anyone to fund a gambler, maybe because he is a family member and they believe that he will no longer gamble with the money been given to him. Apart from that it might be very difficult to crowdfund a gambler.

Another reason that people might choose to crowdfund a gambler is if that gambler was generous with the funds during the time when he won big. Apart from the aforementioned, it will be difficult for people to crowdfund a gambler that they know is an irresponsible gambler because he will still use the money given to him to chase his losses.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: rhomelmabini on November 23, 2023, 07:37:48 PM
A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?
Why would I? I think it's given that people would be wary to that fellow and would never participate to such an obvious answer. He/she should be responsible enough to know that the world doesn't work that way especially if you just gamble the money that should be used for good purpose, you'll surely get criticism at all.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: stomachgrowls on November 23, 2023, 07:57:17 PM
A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?
Why would I? I think it's given that people would be wary to that fellow and would never participate to such an obvious answer. He/she should be responsible enough to know that the world doesn't work that way especially if you just gamble the money that should be used for good purpose, you'll surely get criticism at all.
Also, there's no assurance that you would really be able to assure to those people do make use of the amount on the right way but rather we could really be able to assume that it would really be used back into gambling again and again. So there's no sense on trying out to help an addicted person when it comes to finances or simply having the money because it would really be just worsen up the situation just because they would really be continuing on playing as long they do have the funds. So there's no point and pretty sure that 100% no one will really be that minding on helping someone when it comes to financial approach
specially into an addicted person.

Everything that it is really happening to us would really be that depending or basing on the things that we have done. If you are really that irresponsible when it comes to
gambling activity and been spending like a mad man then expect on what are the consequences.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Johnyz on November 23, 2023, 08:04:24 PM
If its my friend seeking for a help then why not? If this is the best way I can help him survive from that addiction and rise again then I will not hesitate to help as long as he is willing to help himself too. But if a gambler is just raising a funds to support his gambling addiction then totally not, its not good and I will never tolerate this kind of behavior. Gambling can be very risky and if you know someone is already suffering and seeking for a help, try to help him even on a smallest way because it can be a big help for him.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: goaldigger on November 23, 2023, 08:25:44 PM
If its my friend seeking for a help then why not? If this is the best way I can help him survive from that addiction and rise again then I will not hesitate to help as long as he is willing to help himself too. But if a gambler is just raising a funds to support his gambling addiction then totally not, its not good and I will never tolerate this kind of behavior. Gambling can be very risky and if you know someone is already suffering and seeking for a help, try to help him even on a smallest way because it can be a big help for him.
Raising money for him might not be a good idea especially if the purpose is for your school activities and yet you choose to gamble that money instead of spending it the right way, I personally don’t want to tolerate it too and that’s why I’m not helping though I can give advises but with money, I’m out. This is a reminder not to spend your important money, and gamble only if you have the extra. Also, don’t ever use a money that is not even yours, gambling can’t guarantee you a profit so its not worth the risk.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Vaculin on November 23, 2023, 08:34:27 PM
A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?
I would never do that. Crowdfunding for him means that you tolerate his wrong doing and he will never learn if you don't let him suffer the consequences of his action and decision. That does not mean I don't care about him but that's my way of helping him to change for the better or better leave gambling if he can't really control his expenses and if it's hard for him to discipline himself in gambling.

Gambling will only be productive and profitable if you are a responsible and disciplined gambler. If you gamble the other way around, you will not only lose your money but you lose your essence as well why you are gambling. Gambling is designed to entertain us, not to wreck and damage our well-being.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Issa56 on November 23, 2023, 09:21:38 PM
Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing.
Why will I participate in the crowdfunding? When gambling, we should always learn to control ourselves. Why will you spend the money that's meant to be used for other necessary things on gambling, and you expect me to make a contribution for the person? What was the person thinking when gambling? How sure are you that the person won't end up spending the money contributed on gambling again, i see no reason for me raise money for people like that, I do see it as a waste of money. Let him suffer for his actions so that next time the person is going to learn.

And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?
I won't say anything, everyone has a choice. Some people might be so nice to at least assist the gambler, but I see that as a waste of money. I will rather visit an orphanage house and donate the money than give it to someone who wasted all his money on gambling. If I have empathy, not for someone who gambled away money that was supposed to be used for something serious.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: arimamib on November 23, 2023, 09:47:38 PM
And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?
There are people that have been crowdfunded for other reasons like out of love from people who love them. This people are already rich, but you get to see lots of people who are struggling to survive still donate their hard earned money to these people on celebrations like their birthdays, I find it foolish. These people can crowdfund anybody and anyone, they will not find it difficult if a popular gambler they love who has gambled irresponsibly ask for help in the form of financial supporters.

Crowdfund is used to help people who are experiencing a financial loophole because of positive cause, like education, health struggling and helping people who suffer from natural disasters. Gambling is a recreational activity that involves risk and the potential for financial loss.

Crowdfunding a gambler is just something foolish. Gambling is not a typical project that is worth to support because it would essentially be asking people to donate money to a venture that has a high probability of failing, no matter how good he is at gambling. Crowdfund is essentially asking people for help someone or group, while gambling is an activity that makes people succeed when there is/are people failed. This is just ironic.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on November 23, 2023, 10:01:53 PM
Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?

One question that I would love to ask in such a situation is: if he had actually won that bet that was staked with the money that was not his. If he had won, would he decide to share the money with the community or would he spend it wisely for himself? For me, I would not join anyone to contribute for them. The reason is because the person was so foolish and greedy to gamble with money that was not actually their own, and even if they wanted to gamble with that money, they should only use the amount they know they can freely replace without having to ask for crowd funding.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Hispo on November 23, 2023, 10:59:47 PM
If its my friend seeking for a help then why not? If this is the best way I can help him survive from that addiction and rise again then I will not hesitate to help as long as he is willing to help himself too. But if a gambler is just raising a funds to support his gambling addiction then totally not, its not good and I will never tolerate this kind of behavior. Gambling can be very risky and if you know someone is already suffering and seeking for a help, try to help him even on a smallest way because it can be a big help for him.

Unfortunately, not everyone has a golden heart and is willing to help a recovering gambler. People is always leaning towards believing in all the stigmas which surround all gamblers, specially when comes to money management, potential drug usage and stuff like that.
It is hard to believe, but gambling addiction can easily break a friendship apart until not longer being interested in helping a recurring gambler.
Besides trying to get help from a friend, a recovering gambling should try to get professional help or get in contact with an organization dedicated to helping recovering gamblers to deal with the addiction.
Hopefully, anyone of us will ever be in a place where we need to take care of a friend in that way.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Westinhome on November 23, 2023, 11:17:29 PM

Unfortunately, not everyone has a golden heart and is willing to help a recovering gambler. People is always leaning towards believing in all the stigmas which surround all gamblers, specially when comes to money management, potential drug usage and stuff like that.
It is hard to believe, but gambling addiction can easily break a friendship apart until not longer being interested in helping a recurring gambler.
Besides trying to get help from a friend, a recovering gambling should try to get professional help or get in contact with an organization dedicated to helping recovering gamblers to deal with the addiction.
Hopefully, anyone of us will ever be in a place where we need to take care of a friend in that way.

Many people will not help you until you suffer from any medical condition.So he you expected such people will help you to manage the loss from the gambling,honestly no one will help you with money as the loan to play in the gambling sites.This was the reason many gamblers get away from the gambling when they suffer loss and they won't try to play again gambling using the loan.Many people won't loan to the people who consume drugs,like wise they won't also help the gamblers to get away from the recent loss with many games in the gambling sites.The gambler should save certain dollars for specific period and back to the gambling instead of asking loan to your friends or family member.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Dave1 on November 23, 2023, 11:23:15 PM
If its my friend seeking for a help then why not? If this is the best way I can help him survive from that addiction and rise again then I will not hesitate to help as long as he is willing to help himself too. But if a gambler is just raising a funds to support his gambling addiction then totally not, its not good and I will never tolerate this kind of behavior. Gambling can be very risky and if you know someone is already suffering and seeking for a help, try to help him even on a smallest way because it can be a big help for him.

Unfortunately, not everyone has a golden heart and is willing to help a recovering gambler. People is always leaning towards believing in all the stigmas which surround all gamblers, specially when comes to money management, potential drug usage and stuff like that.
It is hard to believe, but gambling addiction can easily break a friendship apart until not longer being interested in helping a recurring gambler.
Besides trying to get help from a friend, a recovering gambling should try to get professional help or get in contact with an organization dedicated to helping recovering gamblers to deal with the addiction.
Hopefully, anyone of us will ever be in a place where we need to take care of a friend in that way.

It there is someone that can really help, then it should be professional in this field. And maybe the next question is, where should the gambler get the money to seek help? And maybe why crowdfund could be the solution.

Unfortunately, it's not that everyone doesn't have a golden heart and is willing to help, is that in this kind of situation, it's the gambler that is seeking help. And with that kind of stigma, it's hard for someone or at least convince anyone to help him because of that kind of stigma so you can't blame anyone for having that kind of mindset and not helping the individual. Maybe there will be some, but I doubt that it will be enough.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Hispo on November 23, 2023, 11:29:03 PM
If its my friend seeking for a help then why not? If this is the best way I can help him survive from that addiction and rise again then I will not hesitate to help as long as he is willing to help himself too. But if a gambler is just raising a funds to support his gambling addiction then totally not, its not good and I will never tolerate this kind of behavior. Gambling can be very risky and if you know someone is already suffering and seeking for a help, try to help him even on a smallest way because it can be a big help for him.

Unfortunately, not everyone has a golden heart and is willing to help a recovering gambler. People is always leaning towards believing in all the stigmas which surround all gamblers, specially when comes to money management, potential drug usage and stuff like that.
It is hard to believe, but gambling addiction can easily break a friendship apart until not longer being interested in helping a recurring gambler.
Besides trying to get help from a friend, a recovering gambling should try to get professional help or get in contact with an organization dedicated to helping recovering gamblers to deal with the addiction.
Hopefully, anyone of us will ever be in a place where we need to take care of a friend in that way.

It there is someone that can really help, then it should be professional in this field. And maybe the next question is, where should the gambler get the money to seek help? And maybe why crowdfund could be the solution.

Unfortunately, it's not that everyone doesn't have a golden heart and is willing to help, is that in this kind of situation, it's the gambler that is seeking help. And with that kind of stigma, it's hard for someone or at least convince anyone to help him because of that kind of stigma so you can't blame anyone for having that kind of mindset and not helping the individual. Maybe there will be some, but I doubt that it will be enough.

I would be perfectly willing to help to fund a gambler so they can seek for the professional help they need, though, I think that in order to do so some trusted third party would be required so the person suffering from.the gambling addiction cannot get direct access or management over the funds, instead the third person or party would be the one securing the money to be paid to a psychological clinic in behalf of the community who donated that money.
Though, keeping in mind one person's reputation is tightly linked to the community where they participate, then the crossfunding would be likely restringed to one community at the time, because of the limitations of the escrow/third party.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: zuzie on November 24, 2023, 05:59:45 AM
I get that folks wanna help out if someone's having a rough time, but you gotta be careful too.  Sure we should care about each other, but throwing money around ain't always the answer neither.  Maybe help with getting skills or something steady instead of just handing over cash. People should try to stand on their own.  So lend a hand when it's really needed but dont let feelings make you loose with your wallet.  That's just gonna cause more problems down the road.  I say care, but care smart.


I agree with you, we should help people whose lives seem very difficult or inadequate.
If there are people or relatives who when gambling experience financial difficulties because when gambling they do not have good, responsible and controlled behavior, then what I will do is just let it go, because that is a consequence for themselves because their carelessness in gambling is out of control. It's a good idea to save the winnings or invest them for our own living needs.
It's not certain that when we have financial difficulties there will be someone to help us in the future.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: davis196 on November 24, 2023, 07:22:57 AM
A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?

Giving money to a gambling addict is like buying cocaine for a drug addict. This doesn't help him at all and it might make his situation worse.
Do you really think that giving money to a gambler is a true act of empathy? I don't think so. True empathy would be trying to help a gambler to get rid of his gambling addiction.
I also wonder how many people would donate money to someone, who starts a Gofundme campaign and claims that he's a gambler with big debts and a growing addiction. Is it possible for such crowdfunding campaigns to be launched on Gofundme(or other crowdfunding platforms)? Probably not. I assume that such campaign would probably be banned from the platform.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Jawhead999 on November 24, 2023, 08:58:31 AM
It is only due to sympathy that will make anyone to fund a gambler, maybe because he is a family member and they believe that he will no longer gamble with the money been given to him. Apart from that it might be very difficult to crowdfund a gambler.
People who thought like that are wrong, it's kind of spoiling where people give him a fish instead of teach him how to catch a fish.

Funding an irresponsible gambler will make you lose money, so make sure to treat it like a donation. Also be prepare to see them ask more money since they know you're someone who can't reject a request or something like that.



Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Gozie51 on November 24, 2023, 10:16:37 AM

There are people that have been crowdfunded for other reasons like out of love from people who love them. This people are already rich, but you get to see lots of people who are struggling to survive still donate their hard earned money to these people on celebrations like their birthdays, I find it foolish. These people can crowdfund anybody and anyone, they will not find it difficult if a popular gambler they love who has gambled irresponsibly ask for help in the form of financial supporters.

Are we still saying that crowdfunding is same thing as giving gift?

I think your classification here falls into giving of gift that people do in celebration of other people in there moment of happiness like birthday, marriage ceremony etc even in sad moments like being bereaved of which the rich is not above gift receiving. So there is nothing wrong to give to the rich even if they have in abundance. Gift opens more doors for receiving and blessing, like they say the gift of a man makes way for him.

So crowdfunding is not same with gift in the the light of what the topic is discussing. You are only supporting someone to come back from their irresponsible action that caused his loses.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: EarnOnVictor on November 24, 2023, 10:53:04 AM
And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?
There are people that have been crowdfunded for other reasons like out of love from people who love them. This people are already rich, but you get to see lots of people who are struggling to survive still donate their hard earned money to these people on celebrations like their birthdays, I find it foolish. These people can crowdfund anybody and anyone, they will not find it difficult if a popular gambler they love who has gambled irresponsibly ask for help in the form of financial supporters.

too naive to still support the person right?  and you couldn't really trust the guy is he said this time that the funds generated from this crowdfund would be used right to what is intended.  he gambled away the money that was originally meant for something. there is no assurance he will not gamble again the money to chase the loss.

anyway, it's all up to him already. if someone still trusts him. then maybe he really is worth trusting. not me. i'm struggling myself.
Why not if there is legal backing for this? That must also go with sureties to back it up. By this, I would be satisfying my conscience of helping someone, but my terms must first be fulfilled. If not, why waste my money? I will not make the mistake of being involved in such a wasteful affair. Irresponsibility is high with some people and there is no way you can trust your money with them without them squandering it. This is particularly true when they are also addicted and have even crossed the red line in their addiction, they would be looking for all means to gather money just to go back to their gambling. But some would use some parts to gamble and use the rest for what they intended to. However, this has to do with the level of the person's addiction, if it's so high, such might be using the money in parts to gamble bit by bit until they waste all of it.

If at all I want to help a person like this, I must be certain that he first gets help and is free of the addiction. It's after this that I can be partly sure of trusting my hard-earned money to him no matter what.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: benalexis12 on November 24, 2023, 12:22:24 PM
If its my friend seeking for a help then why not? If this is the best way I can help him survive from that addiction and rise again then I will not hesitate to help as long as he is willing to help himself too. But if a gambler is just raising a funds to support his gambling addiction then totally not, its not good and I will never tolerate this kind of behavior. Gambling can be very risky and if you know someone is already suffering and seeking for a help, try to help him even on a smallest way because it can be a big help for him.

If that's the only reason to do crowdfunding, it seems like it's difficult to participate and support such a concept. Maybe later that's just a modus operandi; you know what it means. It wouldn't matter if everything went through in a proper and legal way; it would be fine, in my opinion.

But as you said, if the gambler himself will not help himself to get rid of the addiction he has, then a friend will do the same to do crowdfunding for him. It seems like the outside is also cheated in the end. Right?


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on November 24, 2023, 12:44:02 PM
This is actually a very tricky question, regardless of the fact that some gamblers are very reckless, there is still possibility that any body can make a mistake at any given time.

In order not to go lengthy on this, my answer is very simple, based on my philanthropic nature, I would definitely be moved to help such a gambler, but this would be on some certain criteria.

1. First, and most important being that, if the gambler is relatively new to gambling, then, I will be definitely moved to help crowdfund him or her based on the fact that, i believe it's his or her first mistake, and that he or she probably have learnt from it and won't allow him or herself make such mistake again.

2. Secondly, it depend on what happened that lead to the gambler staking that high and losing it, if his or her story is one that is very touching and I see myself doing exactly the same thing he or she did if I was in his or her shoes, then I did be moved to help.

In all, it's important we all know that no body is an island of knowledge, we all make mistakes and when we do make a mistake that will swallow us, it is still humans that will come to our help, so, nothing is wrong in helping a fellow gambler if he or she truly deserve to be helped.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: maydna on November 24, 2023, 05:25:14 PM
If its my friend seeking for a help then why not? If this is the best way I can help him survive from that addiction and rise again then I will not hesitate to help as long as he is willing to help himself too. But if a gambler is just raising a funds to support his gambling addiction then totally not, its not good and I will never tolerate this kind of behavior. Gambling can be very risky and if you know someone is already suffering and seeking for a help, try to help him even on a smallest way because it can be a big help for him.

If that's the only reason to do crowdfunding, it seems like it's difficult to participate and support such a concept. Maybe later that's just a modus operandi; you know what it means. It wouldn't matter if everything went through in a proper and legal way; it would be fine, in my opinion.

But as you said, if the gambler himself will not help himself to get rid of the addiction he has, then a friend will do the same to do crowdfunding for him. It seems like the outside is also cheated in the end. Right?
The important thing is that we know what the purpose of crowdfunding is and that it will not be misused to fund gamblers who are addicted to gambling to continue playing. If it is for the purpose of treating those who are addicted to gambling, maybe we can think about joining the people who have already donated. Doesn't that mean we also help people to cure their gambling addiction? And yes, if there is no intention from the gambler to help himself to cure his gambling addiction, it seems like crowdfunding will not work optimally because there is no awareness on the part of the gambler to cure his gambling addiction. It would be even better if local governments knew about crowdfunding for gambling because they could provide their support to help cure people who are addicted to gambling. That would be a good humanitarian program to do.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Yatsan on November 24, 2023, 07:57:08 PM
If its my friend seeking for a help then why not? If this is the best way I can help him survive from that addiction and rise again then I will not hesitate to help as long as he is willing to help himself too. But if a gambler is just raising a funds to support his gambling addiction then totally not, its not good and I will never tolerate this kind of behavior. Gambling can be very risky and if you know someone is already suffering and seeking for a help, try to help him even on a smallest way because it can be a big help for him.

If that's the only reason to do crowdfunding, it seems like it's difficult to participate and support such a concept. Maybe later that's just a modus operandi; you know what it means. It wouldn't matter if everything went through in a proper and legal way; it would be fine, in my opinion.

But as you said, if the gambler himself will not help himself to get rid of the addiction he has, then a friend will do the same to do crowdfunding for him. It seems like the outside is also cheated in the end. Right?

Asking him why he wants to gamble would be best I guess. If his reason is to earn money then there are other means to do so. Sometimes support doesn't need to be in accordance to the person who needs the help, there are times wherein it could be in contrast and what's important is whether it would be for his betterment or not. It is like giving a drug addict money to continue what he's doing 'coz he struggle if the presence of substance is lacking, rather than bringing him to professionals for proper treatment (if you have the capability to do so). Sometimes not supporting them literally is a kind of support.  The question only becames tricky if you'd let your emotions and attachment to the person as the bottomline and not the objective.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Oilacris on November 24, 2023, 08:15:54 PM
If its my friend seeking for a help then why not? If this is the best way I can help him survive from that addiction and rise again then I will not hesitate to help as long as he is willing to help himself too. But if a gambler is just raising a funds to support his gambling addiction then totally not, its not good and I will never tolerate this kind of behavior. Gambling can be very risky and if you know someone is already suffering and seeking for a help, try to help him even on a smallest way because it can be a big help for him.

If that's the only reason to do crowdfunding, it seems like it's difficult to participate and support such a concept. Maybe later that's just a modus operandi; you know what it means. It wouldn't matter if everything went through in a proper and legal way; it would be fine, in my opinion.

But as you said, if the gambler himself will not help himself to get rid of the addiction he has, then a friend will do the same to do crowdfunding for him. It seems like the outside is also cheated in the end. Right?

Asking him why he wants to gamble would be best I guess. If his reason is to earn money then there are other means to do so. Sometimes support doesn't need to be in accordance to the person who needs the help, there are times wherein it could be in contrast and what's important is whether it would be for his betterment or not. It is like giving a drug addict money to continue what he's doing 'coz he struggle if the presence of substance is lacking, rather than bringing him to professionals for proper treatment (if you have the capability to do so). Sometimes not supporting them literally is a kind of support.  The question only becames tricky if you'd let your emotions and attachment to the person as the bottomline and not the objective.
People would really be that considerate on the time that they would really be getting some viable reasons or something that would really be able to be that convincing or something that do talks
that would really be used for good or changes then he/she might really be able to get that financial or funding support from the community but if these things would be talking back
about making further gambling sessions or would be simply spend back into those casinos or betting houses then people would really be getting pissed of
with that in regard. They would definitely be saying HELL NO! for this one since there's no point or something beneficial if they would be doing this.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Accardo on November 24, 2023, 08:22:08 PM
And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?
There are people that have been crowdfunded for other reasons like out of love from people who love them. This people are already rich, but you get to see lots of people who are struggling to survive still donate their hard earned money to these people on celebrations like their birthdays, I find it foolish. These people can crowdfund anybody and anyone, they will not find it difficult if a popular gambler they love who has gambled irresponsibly ask for help in the form of financial supporters.

Multiple criteria is associated to such a human behavior. Many only give money to people, whom they expect a payback, from a different way. Gamblers who lose it all, are seen in the society as irresponsible. Friends still should look out for other gamblers, who they have lesser love for in the society. Because the little rollers still end up losing too much money, amounting to high USD. So, truly, they may need the crowd funding to survive. It'll be difficult to find a community where people would render help to a losing gambler. Unless in situations where they are sure of a return after lending out the money. Other things may include, the character of the gambler after receiving the help. Remember we are looking at free funds here. It's crucial to know if the gambler is actually about to stop or wants to cheat others, by coining out a sweet emotional story. Givers are expected to run a background check before releasing any amount for the crowdfunding. Gamblers can't be predicted, that's why people can easily fund a friend's birthday, instead of trouble gamblers. Due to the risk involved, regarding, if the gambler will manage the funds. Few response above centers on the importance of not handing out the funds directly, to alter any form of misusing the funds to gamble again.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Orpichukwu on November 24, 2023, 08:33:15 PM
If someone was careless enough to use money that was meant for something else to gamble and it was the person's bad day, they were out of luck and ended up losing the money at the end of the day. Now that the money is gone, that's when the person realises that he was really supposed to use that money for something important, and now they seek public support. My honest truth is that I will hardly render help to such a person. The reason is this:
 
If the person was careless enough to gamble with money before, what will stop him or her from doing the same thing again? So unless that thing is a matter of life and death, I will not give a penny to such a person because they have already proven to me to be careless gamblers who don't have self-control.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: coolcoinz on November 24, 2023, 08:33:37 PM
It's hard to say, but I wouldn't be a part of the donors for his campaign. It's not like he was struck by a disaster. No... He gambled away money meant for his family, or school tuition.
What would you do if he was your tenant and told you that he gambled away his rent money? Sorry, I don't have the money that I owe you, but I still want to live here for free. You'd probably kick his ass out onto the street, right?
Bottom line is, I feel for people who had problems, lost jobs, had an accident, were injured, had a death in the family... Such things I can support, but I don't support irresponsibility.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: alastantiger on November 24, 2023, 08:51:23 PM
Only gamblers would understand how it feels to lose your money that you have budgeted for something. Everyone makes a silly and stupid mistake in life and since nobody is perfect, we all deserve a second chance. I will donate to the gambler and if I can add a note, I will tell him or her to be gamble responsibly and if he repeats the same mistake, then my benevolence will not forgive him.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: 348Judah on November 24, 2023, 08:57:29 PM
A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?

We are al humans, this is what i will personally do, if the condition in involved on this crowdfunding process is very critical and deals with health or life challenges, then i will have no option than to give and support in such situation, but if it's something that has erupted out of the gamblers carelessness or irresponsibility, then i don't think i have that time or money to give in support of the unserious fellows for what they should be held responsible for.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: wheelz1200 on November 24, 2023, 09:59:19 PM
No absolutely not.  There are plenty of other good causes to crowd fund for than someone who degen'd there way into debt for something important in life.  My guess is if they already did it once then they probably would take the funds and gamble that away too.  Be responsible and take ownership of your losses, obsolving gamblers of this only deepens their own addiction.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Onyeeze on November 25, 2023, 07:57:32 AM
And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?
There are people that have been crowdfunded for other reasons like out of love from people who love them. This people are already rich, but you get to see lots of people who are struggling to survive still donate their hard earned money to these people on celebrations like their birthdays, I find it foolish. These people can crowdfund anybody and anyone, they will not find it difficult if a popular gambler they love who has gambled irresponsibly ask for help in the form of financial supporters.
The areas I will concentrate is for someone who doesn't not have money but spend above what it receives monthly for birthday celebrations, its not really right because what they are celebrating does not have any impact to their lives, what matters most is to create impact of what that will elevate you, for the aspect of assistance, you might be less privileged but you have the mindset to help whosoever that comes to your way's to make sure you have solved the person's problems, that should be your own way, whereas at a point some people will have but they don't give out their money, some people don't help gamblers because they feel that if money is being entrusted to them they will divert the money for gambling, and some people also is against gambling and they can give you their hard earned money to use and gamble so humans have different reasoning


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Ultegra134 on November 25, 2023, 09:17:25 AM
There's usually a thin line before answering this kind of question, as it varies depending on the occasion and the reason for the said crowdfunding. On the one hand, I'd say that it's irresponsible to become bankrupt due to gambling; you're addicted and need professional help. This doesn't apply only to gambling but to anything that occurs in excess, such as compulsive shopping and so on. Personally, I'd rather not help someone who brought this on themselves, but on the other hand, some other serious issues might be underlying that led to the state that he needs to ask for crowdfunding. Thus, in my opinion, we shouldn't be too quick to judge, as there might be some serious conditions, such as medical, and the dire need for money led them to such compulsive behavior. Would it be justified? Certainly not, but we can't judge until we're in their shoes.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: DabsPoorVersion on November 25, 2023, 10:16:32 AM
Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?
Prior to deciding whether to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler seeking financial assistance, I am the type of person who would want to personally talk to the gambler first. Having a discussion personally will let us see the true objective of another person by looking into their eyes, how they will react, and how sincere they are. There's nothing wrong with helping a fellow gambler, it's just hard to trust someone so easily who made a mistake especially when it comes to money. He has to make a move, change for himself, and try to get back the trust of the people around him.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: angrybirdy on November 25, 2023, 10:28:14 AM
There's usually a thin line before answering this kind of question, as it varies depending on the occasion and the reason for the said crowdfunding. On the one hand, I'd say that it's irresponsible to become bankrupt due to gambling; you're addicted and need professional help. This doesn't apply only to gambling but to anything that occurs in excess, such as compulsive shopping and so on. Personally, I'd rather not help someone who brought this on themselves, but on the other hand, some other serious issues might be underlying that led to the state that he needs to ask for crowdfunding. Thus, in my opinion, we shouldn't be too quick to judge, as there might be some serious conditions, such as medical, and the dire need for money led them to such compulsive behavior. Would it be justified? Certainly not, but we can't judge until we're in their shoes.
If there's any serious medical condition that's why a gambler need to ask crowdfunding, it is better to explain and elaborate it first or seek medical advice from the experts. In that way, maybe people will help him, But if the reason is about being an irresponsible gambler,  don't expect them to help you. I get it
that it depends on the occasion and reason, If a person loses money in gambling in multiple times to the point that their physical and mental health is at stake, meaning there's really  something wrong, he needs to know in himself that something is wrong and he needs to stop whatever is the reason why he is experiencing this.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: bitbollo on November 25, 2023, 10:32:03 AM
It's really hard to simplify these things...we don't know who he is, we don't know what the gambler should do.
so at this point potentially anything is possible. it is obvious that I would try to finance interesting activities or at least those proposed by people with a certain reputation but, again, everything has to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis.

for sure I will not make a "donation".
my donations are always sent to people in need (health issue or homeless).


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: vv181 on November 25, 2023, 11:20:53 AM
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Precisely! You can't resolve a gambler's problem by funding or lending him a money especially if the gambler is suffering in any psychological behavior like Obsession and Addiction. If you really want to help a gambler, you can suggest them to consult in a professionals. If you continue to give money to a gambler, you just tolerate their wrongdoing especially if you notice that something is wrong with their actions.

That is the way to go. Direct them to the professional, and we should help them to be aware of their own condition, if they were not aware at first, and encourage them to the therapist. The reason I said that is because, there is a chance those who are in need of help are in denial, so they did not try to improve the situation. I believe it is a valid concern.

Contrasting with OP's thoughts, I believe this is rather more sane advice, instead of supporting, the addictions. Furthermore, if we agree that those who borrow money excessively for gambling are addicted, this will solve the root causes.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Solosanz on November 25, 2023, 12:11:45 PM
If the person was careless enough to gamble with money before, what will stop him or her from doing the same thing again? So unless that thing is a matter of life and death, I will not give a penny to such a person because they have already proven to me to be careless gamblers who don't have self-control.
What about a gambling addict that has a self harm illness? it's also relate to life and death.

They will ask you money and you refuse it because you know the money will be used for gambling, then they will threat you if you not give them money, they will cut their' vein or commit suicide. What will you do for such case? remember, asking them to stop isn't an option because they can't listen.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: ethereumhunter on November 25, 2023, 01:21:44 PM
If the person was careless enough to gamble with money before, what will stop him or her from doing the same thing again? So unless that thing is a matter of life and death, I will not give a penny to such a person because they have already proven to me to be careless gamblers who don't have self-control.
What about a gambling addict that has a self harm illness? it's also relate to life and death.

They will ask you money and you refuse it because you know the money will be used for gambling, then they will threat you if you not give them money, they will cut their' vein or commit suicide. What will you do for such case? remember, asking them to stop isn't an option because they can't listen.
If that's the case, maybe we can give them a little money to use for gambling, but after that, we can ask the authorities and rehabilitation centers for help so they can come and meet the person and then help him solve the problem. This is a serious problem that can occur in people who have a very serious gambling addiction and is difficult to cure. They must be immediately taken to a rehabilitation center so that they can be treated immediately and will not cause problems for them. It may be a bit difficult to handle them because their mindset has changed and cannot be recognized anymore so this needs more serious treatment.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Hypnosis00 on November 25, 2023, 01:36:09 PM
A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?
The counter question is "Why we should"? Knowing the truth that he is an irresponsible gambler, he doesn't deserve support from us and from the community, he should have carried his own gambling journey alone. Could we think an irresponsible gambler would change and have the intention to do that? I don't think so. I'd rather gamble than give my money to someone that we know he can't handle and manage himself. Because after he has the money, he will forget those promises and the people who gave him.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Taskford on November 25, 2023, 02:08:02 PM
A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?
The counter question is "Why we should"? Knowing the truth that he is an irresponsible gambler, he doesn't deserve support from us and from the community, he should have carried his own gambling journey alone. Could we think an irresponsible gambler would change and have the intention to do that? I don't think so. I'd rather gamble than give my money to someone that we know he can't handle and manage himself. Because after he has the money, he will forget those promises and the people who gave him.

They choose to be in worst situation so they need to face what they are facing on since that is what the consequences of wrong decisions they made. Also its not good to crowdfund for a gambler since he or she is not really worth the help since he could decide for his self to avoid to experience the worst but he decide to go and risk all the money he have.

 I also rather gamble the money I have than helping people to became more lazy or irresponsible so I can enjoy it even if I lose.

And I'm sure that after he get's help from people he will go back to gambling once he get another fund to spend. This type of people will not learn so they need to experience the downside of the actions they have done.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: slapper on November 25, 2023, 02:19:34 PM
There's usually a thin line before answering this kind of question, as it varies depending on the occasion and the reason for the said crowdfunding. On the one hand, I'd say that it's irresponsible to become bankrupt due to gambling; you're addicted and need professional help. This doesn't apply only to gambling but to anything that occurs in excess, such as compulsive shopping and so on. Personally, I'd rather not help someone who brought this on themselves, but on the other hand, some other serious issues might be underlying that led to the state that he needs to ask for crowdfunding. Thus, in my opinion, we shouldn't be too quick to judge, as there might be some serious conditions, such as medical, and the dire need for money led them to such compulsive behavior. Would it be justified? Certainly not, but we can't judge until we're in their shoes.
If there's any serious medical condition that's why a gambler need to ask crowdfunding, it is better to explain and elaborate it first or seek medical advice from the experts. In that way, maybe people will help him, But if the reason is about being an irresponsible gambler,  don't expect them to help you. I get it
that it depends on the occasion and reason, If a person loses money in gambling in multiple times to the point that their physical and mental health is at stake, meaning there's really  something wrong, he needs to know in himself that something is wrong and he needs to stop whatever is the reason why he is experiencing this.
Even brilliant individuals fall for this psychological deception. Why should we only ask for crowdfunding? Isnt it about recognizing a serious issue? Gamblers screaming for aid, whether due to health issues or overspending, are asking for help. Avoid labeling them "irresponsible gamblers." In addition to losing money, lives are falling apart. Instead of contempt, we should provide systematic assistance. We must peel back layers to understand mental health and gaming.

Self-realization is crucial. The gambler must face their situation, but isnt it complicated psychologically? "Knowing something is wrong and stopping" doesnt describe profound addiction. Gambling uses the brain's reward system to give consumers a false sensation of control and near-misses that keep them hooked. Professionals must repair many cognitive errors that go beyond grit. Instead of shame, shouldnt society encourage people to seek help? Stopping goes beyond stopping. Understand why and how to stop. Can we overlook this while judging quickly?


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: m2017 on November 25, 2023, 02:50:27 PM
A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?
Never gamble (or invest in cryptocurrencies or securities) with borrowed money or other money "meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing".

No mercy donations or financial support for gamblers. All their risks and losses lie solely on their shoulders and under their personal responsibility.

If someone wants to help such losers gamblers, then this is their personal right. No one has the right to say anything to such donators, because this concerns only the donator and the gambler.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Accardo on November 25, 2023, 05:12:00 PM
If there's any serious medical condition that's why a gambler need to ask crowdfunding, it is better to explain and elaborate it first or seek medical advice from the experts. In that way, maybe people will help him, But if the reason is about being an irresponsible gambler,  don't expect them to help you. I get it
that it depends on the occasion and reason, If a person loses money in gambling in multiple times to the point that their physical and mental health is at stake, meaning there's really  something wrong, he needs to know in himself that something is wrong and he needs to stop whatever is the reason why he is experiencing this.
Even brilliant individuals fall for this psychological deception. Why should we only ask for crowdfunding? Isnt it about recognizing a serious issue? Gamblers screaming for aid, whether due to health issues or overspending, are asking for help. Avoid labeling them "irresponsible gamblers." In addition to losing money, lives are falling apart. Instead of contempt, we should provide systematic assistance. We must peel back layers to understand mental health and gaming.

Self-realization is crucial. The gambler must face their situation, but isnt it complicated psychologically? "Knowing something is wrong and stopping" doesnt describe profound addiction. Gambling uses the brain's reward system to give consumers a false sensation of control and near-misses that keep them hooked. Professionals must repair many cognitive errors that go beyond grit. Instead of shame, shouldnt society encourage people to seek help? Stopping goes beyond stopping. Understand why and how to stop. Can we overlook this while judging quickly?

The recovery process is quite difficult for the addicted person. And because they need to hide it from the society, they end up swimming in the pool of addiction. The condemnations they get from people, when they try to show the world their problems, keeps them in depression. Friends and family careless about the problems this addicts go through, that's why it's hard to survive such a problem. In the process of trying to show the society the aspect they want to see. The gambler's addiction will be left untreated. Thereby exposing the player to bigger risks of addiction. Right, even when the money is given to them, they won't know what next to do, other than gambling. Why then do people blame them, if we can think deeply, it's common to understand that these things ain't done outrightly. The hidden processes that led to the bad behavior, grew out of the fear of what people would say. After discovering that they're now addicted to gambling, the brain would deceive them not to open up, that they can settle it on their own.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: wallet4bitcoin on November 25, 2023, 05:59:51 PM
Loads of things will make me crowdfund for a gambler

Firstly, has the gambler been sober. Has he come to his senses that gambling isn't a way of life.
Does the person have the ability to say a thing and stick to it irrespective of challenges associated with it.

Imagine if the person isn't sober, crowdfunding for him will be just a disaster to your Name, Person and Reputation


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: tjtonmoy on November 25, 2023, 07:36:25 PM
Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?
Of course not. If he had already gambled irresponsibly and lost everything, that only tells us that he is already an addict. And we know what happens with addicts if they ever get the same opportunity. Things would be different if he had gone through therapy and is now a normal person. If not, I am not going to give anything. He had his chance and he already blew it up.
The moment he gets the money, he will try to win back what he lost and may try to make some profit out of it by gambling. It is a risky move. Maybe you helping him with money could lead to him starting gambling again. And I don't want to be a part of that.

To those who will donate/help that guy out of empathy, don't do it. Maybe you are doing it for a good purpose but it could turn out quite the opposite.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Ever-young on November 25, 2023, 08:46:25 PM
A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?

And what's the guarantee that after donating and giving him the money he wouldn't use it to gamble again?
There are some things one shouldn't do, I like to help people in my own little way, but not when the help won't amount t anything. If I have a friend who's lost money that's meant for something else to gambling and he reaches out to me for help, honestly even if I have the money, I won't send it to him, but instead what I'll do is help him solve that problem that required that money directly, if it's money for school fees, I'll single handedly go ahead to pay the fees myself and avod giving him the money directly, because he might just have the thought of multiplying that money and decides to go gamble again and still throw it away, that way you'll regret ever helping him with the money. So it's better to help the person solve the problem and not to give him the money to go solve the problem himself. Because loosing money that's meant for something else means he's irresponsible and lacks self control when it coms to gambling and such a person can't be trusted with money.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Accardo on November 26, 2023, 04:45:01 PM
A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?

And what's the guarantee that after donating and giving him the money he wouldn't use it to gamble again?
There are some things one shouldn't do, I like to help people in my own little way, but not when the help won't amount t anything. If I have a friend who's lost money that's meant for something else to gambling and he reaches out to me for help, honestly even if I have the money, I won't send it to him, but instead what I'll do is help him solve that problem that required that money directly, if it's money for school fees, I'll single handedly go ahead to pay the fees myself and avod giving him the money directly, because he might just have the thought of multiplying that money and decides to go gamble again and still throw it away, that way you'll regret ever helping him with the money. So it's better to help the person solve the problem and not to give him the money to go solve the problem himself. Because loosing money that's meant for something else means he's irresponsible and lacks self control when it coms to gambling and such a person can't be trusted with money.

How do you intend to do it when they're far from you? He's been tagged an irresponsible gambler, helping him with money can be risky, yet it can be life changing. It's not certain he won't gamble with the money like you said. On our side as friends or family member we'll be brooding over his actions or what he'll say about us. Most times it's not easy to neglect loved ones, even when we are sure of their bad attitude or behavior. It hurts to plunder about the struggle they're into, while we help with funds, or don't help. Whatever, the action we take on them, that's not regarding their welbeing or saving them from such a condition, won't be enough. Every family tend to have a person like that; gambling or drug addict. It's the responsibility of the family to look into different therapy to cure them. And negligence worsen their conditions, and if the family isn't comfortable with him anymore, then the society won't as well. That's a pollution to the entire wealth of the society. As he'll be unknowingly wasting funds, he'd use on other utilities, on gambling. Your idea is valid, if he's close, taking care of the expenses on his behalf can leave him only battling over becoming a better person, and restrict him from gambling at the moment. Then following up with a team work on ways to eliminate his trouble. The process matters, but within you, it'll worth it once he's fine. After that, you'd understand the huge mental disorder he was passing through. Which won't give you a reason to blame addicts, when they mishandle funds and act differently. I was once against helping addicts, both financially and otherwise, until a close friend went through and survived addiction. He told me about what he's been through. The whole stress and heartbreak isn't simple to fight, alone.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Westinhome on November 26, 2023, 04:56:49 PM

And what's the guarantee that after donating and giving him the money he wouldn't use it to gamble again?
There are some things one shouldn't do, I like to help people in my own little way, but not when the help won't amount t anything. If I have a friend who's lost money that's meant for something else to gambling and he reaches out to me for help, honestly even if I have the money, I won't send it to him, but instead what I'll do is help him solve that problem that required that money directly, if it's money for school fees, I'll single handedly go ahead to pay the fees myself and avod giving him the money directly, because he might just have the thought of multiplying that money and decides to go gamble again and still throw it away, that way you'll regret ever helping him with the money. So it's better to help the person solve the problem and not to give him the money to go solve the problem himself. Because loosing money that's meant for something else means he's irresponsible and lacks self control when it coms to gambling and such a person can't be trusted with money.


The gambler had the chance of both win and lose option,So helping the gambler for the gambling will not be the better option.If you know him well or if they had the assets thrice of your money giving value,then you can offer the loan.So if the gambler had loss the game,he will short your loan using their holding assets.Being the gambler I will recommend the gambler to get loan for the gambling,because we should need to pay for the loss if occured in the gambling sites.The risk in the gambling was worth of it.But if the gambler take the loan,it will be unwanted risk for the game.So the gambler use their own money for the gambling will keep him the pressure less game.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Webetcoins on November 26, 2023, 06:03:21 PM
There's usually a thin line before answering this kind of question, as it varies depending on the occasion and the reason for the said crowdfunding. On the one hand, I'd say that it's irresponsible to become bankrupt due to gambling; you're addicted and need professional help. This doesn't apply only to gambling but to anything that occurs in excess, such as compulsive shopping and so on. Personally, I'd rather not help someone who brought this on themselves, but on the other hand, some other serious issues might be underlying that led to the state that he needs to ask for crowdfunding. Thus, in my opinion, we shouldn't be too quick to judge, as there might be some serious conditions, such as medical, and the dire need for money led them to such compulsive behavior. Would it be justified? Certainly not, but we can't judge until we're in their shoes.
I can't help but agree with what you said. I'm completely against people who spend money that is supposed to be used for something else in gambling and then when they lose it, they start crying and whining and saying that they are in dire need of money for whatever reason it is, they shouldn't have gambled with it in the first place even if they did it because they needed more money and they thought they can get that from gambling because they should have known that gambling is not a way to make guaranteed money and you shouldn't risk money that is very important in gambling.

However, as you said, if you witness with your own eyes that the person is in need of money for something like an emergency medical condition or anything else that needs to be taken care of as soon as possible, it might melt your heart and you decide to do it but you should still not give the money once collected to the gambler but pay it straight for the cause.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Hispo on November 26, 2023, 07:01:44 PM
There's usually a thin line before answering this kind of question, as it varies depending on the occasion and the reason for the said crowdfunding. On the one hand, I'd say that it's irresponsible to become bankrupt due to gambling; you're addicted and need professional help. This doesn't apply only to gambling but to anything that occurs in excess, such as compulsive shopping and so on. Personally, I'd rather not help someone who brought this on themselves, but on the other hand, some other serious issues might be underlying that led to the state that he needs to ask for crowdfunding. Thus, in my opinion, we shouldn't be too quick to judge, as there might be some serious conditions, such as medical, and the dire need for money led them to such compulsive behavior. Would it be justified? Certainly not, but we can't judge until we're in their shoes.
I can't help but agree with what you said. I'm completely against people who spend money that is supposed to be used for something else in gambling and then when they lose it, they start crying and whining and saying that they are in dire need of money for whatever reason it is, they shouldn't have gambled with it in the first place even if they did it because they needed more money and they thought they can get that from gambling because they should have known that gambling is not a way to make guaranteed money and you shouldn't risk money that is very important in gambling.

However, as you said, if you witness with your own eyes that the person is in need of money for something like an emergency medical condition or anything else that needs to be taken care of as soon as possible, it might melt your heart and you decide to do it but you should still not give the money once collected to the gambler but pay it straight for the cause.

It reminds me a case which was discussed here in the gambling section some weeks ago about a woman (I think she is from Nigeria) who streamed herself placing some sportbets. I assume she was very confident on her luck because otherwise, I would not understand how she thought streaming herself like that would be a good idea.
In the end, she lost all of her wager and what it was supposed to be a celebration and bragging streaming, turned into a pitiful display of tears and crying...
I try not to judge those who fall victim of their own greed and end up lamenting their choices, because I personally believe that most human beings can easily find themselves in a similar situation, leaving greed to take over.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Ultegra134 on November 26, 2023, 07:31:03 PM
Even brilliant individuals fall for this psychological deception. Why should we only ask for crowdfunding? Isnt it about recognizing a serious issue? Gamblers screaming for aid, whether due to health issues or overspending, are asking for help. Avoid labeling them "irresponsible gamblers." In addition to losing money, lives are falling apart. Instead of contempt, we should provide systematic assistance. We must peel back layers to understand mental health and gaming.

Self-realization is crucial. The gambler must face their situation, but isnt it complicated psychologically? "Knowing something is wrong and stopping" doesnt describe profound addiction. Gambling uses the brain's reward system to give consumers a false sensation of control and near-misses that keep them hooked. Professionals must repair many cognitive errors that go beyond grit. Instead of shame, shouldnt society encourage people to seek help? Stopping goes beyond stopping. Understand why and how to stop. Can we overlook this while judging quickly?
That's why I mentioned that there's a thin line when answering this question, as it's a highly complicated matter. There's a reason someone becomes addicted, whether it's alcohol, gambling, painkillers, you name it. There's always a deeper reason behind someone's behavior. You don't suddenly wake up one day and decide to start blowing your money at a casino.

You're seeking a way out, possibly out of your mental health issues, such as depression, social anxiety, stress, or other issues that are preventing you from living. It's not as simple as we name it, you're looking for ways to numb the pain you're experiencing, it's a getaway. Unfortunately, we're too quick to make assumptions and point the finger at people who are showing signs that indicate they might be battling with something greater. It always starts with something else, but we're always focusing on the tree, not the forest.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: wxa7115 on November 28, 2023, 01:49:11 AM
That's why I mentioned that there's a thin line when answering this question, as it's a highly complicated matter. There's a reason someone becomes addicted, whether it's alcohol, gambling, painkillers, you name it. There's always a deeper reason behind someone's behavior. You don't suddenly wake up one day and decide to start blowing your money at a casino.

You're seeking a way out, possibly out of your mental health issues, such as depression, social anxiety, stress, or other issues that are preventing you from living. It's not as simple as we name it, you're looking for ways to numb the pain you're experiencing, it's a getaway. Unfortunately, we're too quick to make assumptions and point the finger at people who are showing signs that indicate they might be battling with something greater. It always starts with something else, but we're always focusing on the tree, not the forest.
It is because of this that not only the addiction itself must be treated, but the reasons that made someone to take that path to begin with should be treated as well, because if this is not done then even if a person could leave their addiction behind then at some point they will go back to their old ways or even develop a new addiction.

However this is not very common as rehabilitation centers simply do not have the resources to do this, and it is often up to the former addicted to figure out this critical step and improve on their own.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: pinggoki on November 28, 2023, 02:28:06 AM
I think people are getting it easier nowadays when it comes to consequences so they do stupid stuff like this one and then try to make it everyone's problem when it's clearly their fault. If I ever come across that kind of person, I would probably laugh on their faces because they've made an avoidable mistake, why let me in on your problem? I don't even know you.
I feel like this is right but I can't necessarily agree with this, I definitely feel like some people are getting away with consequences so easily, it's not just with gambling, I think that this is a trend right now especially with social media platforms where everyone wants to be famous and so they do stupid and borderline criminal pranks and they get away with just saying that it's just a prank or something like that, I really feel good inside whenever scums that are getting their just desserts. I don't know about the laughing at them though, maybe don't do it in front of them?
"would you keep buying an alcoholic more booze" Is what I read and understand from this question.
Best analogy question for this one although I do think that any addiction would still be the same if not get much better because some alcoholics have their problem rooted in something far worse and they might see alcohol as an escape, it's not a good thing to tolerate someone who's clearly destroying themselves and are already showing signs that your help will only be appreciated because it just fuels their addiction. I do think that it's weird that people are thinking to do this kind of stuff, crowdfunding for someone who's clearly losing money already from gambling unless you want and like to watch them crash and burn, I don't see the point of funding that addiction.
Definitely not. It's like I'm being an accessory to their addiction. If I myself can't fund my own gambling activities that much, why would I fund and support someone who's been proven to be irresponsible and cannot control themselves? I can support them in some way but certainly not financially. If the person will not hold the funds directly and will only get what they need in order to recover from their addiction, perhaps I can help with that. Otherwise, I won't extend any financial help at all.
It's not "it's like", you are being an accessory to their addiction because besides tolerating it, you are also fueling them when they should've stopped a long time ago because they're not doing themselves any favor continuing to gamble. I don't think that your way of helping them is going to go the way you want it because as noble as it is, you are going to be tempting them to use that money for recovery to gamble, better if they don't see any when they're really trying to recover.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Z390 on November 28, 2023, 04:25:05 AM
I don't like holding people responsible for their mistakes, everyone makes mistakes and if I have to fund a gambler it will depend on what happened after he lost all his money to gambling, did he learn some lessons already? What he plans to do from here on, everyone has their issues and difficulties, we are all trying to make a way and without mistakes it will be difficult to grow.

If he failed to learn from is irresponsible gambling then I can say no to him, most gamblers are irresponsible at first, and this is because of the problem that affected their lives, they are finding means to make a new change in their life so I don't blame anyone for trying.

Not learning from your mistake is the biggest issue here, because you will never grow, I don't like gambling too much, it's not because of anything else but I am only trying to avoid getting addicted to it, I am someone who get attached to something I do everytime, I am just trying to protect myself in a good way.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Strongkored on November 28, 2023, 08:25:01 AM
A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?
No, I will not participate in raising funds for such gamblers and the community has no responsibility to help people who make such mistakes other than taking them to a therapist for treatment so that the person can get out of addiction, because people who gamble with funds are should not be used for gambling, it can be said to be an addict, because he cannot control himself, and helping by collecting funds will not give him awareness so that he can become responsible, in fact it is very possible that he will use this for his own gain, so the community should not do it apart from taking him to a therapist so he can recover.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: maydna on November 28, 2023, 03:14:55 PM
That's why I mentioned that there's a thin line when answering this question, as it's a highly complicated matter. There's a reason someone becomes addicted, whether it's alcohol, gambling, painkillers, you name it. There's always a deeper reason behind someone's behavior. You don't suddenly wake up one day and decide to start blowing your money at a casino.

You're seeking a way out, possibly out of your mental health issues, such as depression, social anxiety, stress, or other issues that are preventing you from living. It's not as simple as we name it, you're looking for ways to numb the pain you're experiencing, it's a getaway. Unfortunately, we're too quick to make assumptions and point the finger at people who are showing signs that indicate they might be battling with something greater. It always starts with something else, but we're always focusing on the tree, not the forest.
It is because of this that not only the addiction itself must be treated, but the reasons that made someone to take that path to begin with should be treated as well, because if this is not done then even if a person could leave their addiction behind then at some point they will go back to their old ways or even develop a new addiction.

However this is not very common as rehabilitation centers simply do not have the resources to do this, and it is often up to the former addicted to figure out this critical step and improve on their own.
They should be able to realize that to solve their problems, they do not need to use gambling but must find a way so that they are no longer stressed or frustrated. If they take it out on gambling, it will only make the problem bigger because if someone does not have self-control in gambling, they will experience losing money and become addicted to gambling. If they bring the problem to gambling, it will not solve the problem, but they will get another problem, which may be even more complicated.

And using gambling as entertainment when we are having problems is not a good solution. We should calm ourselves down while looking for a solution or telling other people about it so we can get ideas for overcoming the problems we face. We also won't lose money from gambling because we don't use gambling to solve problems.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Quidat on November 28, 2023, 03:37:18 PM
A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?
No, I will not participate in raising funds for such gamblers and the community has no responsibility to help people who make such mistakes other than taking them to a therapist for treatment so that the person can get out of addiction, because people who gamble with funds are should not be used for gambling, it can be said to be an addict, because he cannot control himself, and helping by collecting funds will not give him awareness so that he can become responsible, in fact it is very possible that he will use this for his own gain, so the community should not do it apart from taking him to a therapist so he can recover.
Just like been said that there's no sense on doing so because funding or trying to participate on a crowdfund for such addicted person, then for what? Just like been said by
others if these amounts or funds would be making use in terms of those professional expenses on trying out to assess those addicts then it might be considered but in speaking about
funding them more then it is really just that totally a different idea or the real essence on trying out to help a certain gambling on which instead of helping then it would be worsening up the
situation even more on which it is really just that having no sense just like on what i said earlier. Learning from your own mistakes is the nearest thing that you do have in mind or should
be having in mind because if you are that serious on quitting then you wont really be needing any help.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: wiss19 on November 29, 2023, 09:49:53 AM
I don't like holding people responsible for their mistakes, everyone makes mistakes and if I have to fund a gambler it will depend on what happened after he lost all his money to gambling, did he learn some lessons already? What he plans to do from here on, everyone has their issues and difficulties, we are all trying to make a way and without mistakes it will be difficult to grow.

If he failed to learn from is irresponsible gambling then I can say no to him, most gamblers are irresponsible at first, and this is because of the problem that affected their lives, they are finding means to make a new change in their life so I don't blame anyone for trying.

Not learning from your mistake is the biggest issue here, because you will never grow, I don't like gambling too much, it's not because of anything else but I am only trying to avoid getting addicted to it, I am someone who get attached to something I do everytime, I am just trying to protect myself in a good way.
Whether a gambler will learn from their mistake and won't repeat it next time depends if they are addicted to gambling or not. There are two types of people who make such mistakes. The first type is addicted gamblers who gets money in their hand and can't control the urge and gamble it away, and the second category is of the gamblers who are not generally addicted gamblers but they spend the money on gambling while either trying to gain more money since they need it or just because they got greedy.

If the gambler who lost everything in gambling and is asking for monetary assistance is an addicted gambler, I wouldn't want to do a crowdfunding event for them, but if the person isn't addicted but did it because they needed more money and they thought they can achieve that through gambling, I might think about it in case he is struck by an emergency.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: avp2306 on November 29, 2023, 10:41:03 AM
A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?
No, I will not participate in raising funds for such gamblers and the community has no responsibility to help people who make such mistakes other than taking them to a therapist for treatment so that the person can get out of addiction, because people who gamble with funds are should not be used for gambling, it can be said to be an addict, because he cannot control himself, and helping by collecting funds will not give him awareness so that he can become responsible, in fact it is very possible that he will use this for his own gain, so the community should not do it apart from taking him to a therapist so he can recover.
Just like been said that there's no sense on doing so because funding or trying to participate on a crowdfund for such addicted person, then for what? Just like been said by
others if these amounts or funds would be making use in terms of those professional expenses on trying out to assess those addicts then it might be considered but in speaking about
funding them more then it is really just that totally a different idea or the real essence on trying out to help a certain gambling on which instead of helping then it would be worsening up the
situation even more on which it is really just that having no sense just like on what i said earlier. Learning from your own mistakes is the nearest thing that you do have in mind or should
be having in mind because if you are that serious on quitting then you wont really be needing any help.

He need to hold his own balls if he decide to participate on any gambling activities so there's no sense to help those crazy gamblers experiencing a huge financial loss due to their crazy decision made while betting. Its good for them to learn a valuable lesson since they will not be a better person or a responsible gambler if there's some people willing to help him up once he made a crazy decisions in life. Funding them could worsen up the situation and might would provably think about engaging it again since they are been save up by some people near him. Learning his mistake really can help so instead of giving him a money as form of help much better if he get a good advice from us or from the person they trusted the most since this could help them more.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: dezoel on December 01, 2023, 09:55:53 AM
No. This will only make gamblers feel that they will be helped to meet their living needs while they can still gamble as usual. They may be even more irresponsible in their gambling because they are calm to see that there is crowdfunding that will help them. But if crowdfunding is intended to help problem gamblers cure gambling addiction, for example, maybe crowdfunding can work well. Maybe there are still people who care about others, especially those who experience gambling addiction problems, so from crowdfunding, they can use the funds to help the healing process of people who are addicted to gambling.
I don't think they will play gambling immediately right after they get the money but they will first use those on the important things. And maybe they can even change after this because they are too ashamed of their selves and they are doing this as another way of saying thanks.

Yes, there are always people who are too soft and are willing to help the person who are in need of help. Maybe some of them are also an addict before. They know how hard it is to become one. Still, I don't think crowdfunding is the right word to be used here but it's more like a donation already, since we can't get something in return such as a token, same as what we have here in the crypto world.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: slapper on December 01, 2023, 01:47:11 PM
I don't like holding people responsible for their mistakes, everyone makes mistakes and if I have to fund a gambler it will depend on what happened after he lost all his money to gambling, did he learn some lessons already? What he plans to do from here on, everyone has their issues and difficulties, we are all trying to make a way and without mistakes it will be difficult to grow.

If he failed to learn from is irresponsible gambling then I can say no to him, most gamblers are irresponsible at first, and this is because of the problem that affected their lives, they are finding means to make a new change in their life so I don't blame anyone for trying.

Not learning from your mistake is the biggest issue here, because you will never grow, I don't like gambling too much, it's not because of anything else but I am only trying to avoid getting addicted to it, I am someone who get attached to something I do everytime, I am just trying to protect myself in a good way.
Whether a gambler will learn from their mistake and won't repeat it next time depends if they are addicted to gambling or not. There are two types of people who make such mistakes. The first type is addicted gamblers who gets money in their hand and can't control the urge and gamble it away, and the second category is of the gamblers who are not generally addicted gamblers but they spend the money on gambling while either trying to gain more money since they need it or just because they got greedy.

If the gambler who lost everything in gambling and is asking for monetary assistance is an addicted gambler, I wouldn't want to do a crowdfunding event for them, but if the person isn't addicted but did it because they needed more money and they thought they can achieve that through gambling, I might think about it in case he is struck by an emergency.
Sometimes even non-addicts slip into repetitious activity owing to stress or a windfall. Psychological triggers in gambling are complicated and unpredictable. Gambling is a game of risk and reward with an element of unpredictability, as we all know. Can't someone who gambles out of necessity or greed be on the verge of addiction, possibly unknowingly? When considering crowdfunding, shouldn't we also consider their financial situation? If someone gambled out of desperation, aren't we pointing at a cultural or systemic issue? They may have been financially illiterate or felt gambling was the only option. Instead of categorizing individuals by gambling frequency, shouldn't we offer counseling, education, and support? Isn't it about understanding gambling's fundamental human behavior?


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Iroh on December 01, 2023, 02:34:56 PM
I don't think they will play gambling immediately right after they get the money but they will first use those on the important things. And maybe they can even change after this because they are too ashamed of their selves and they are doing this as another way of saying thanks.

Yes, there are always people who are too soft and are willing to help the person who are in need of help. Maybe some of them are also an addict before. They know how hard it is to become one. Still, I don't think crowdfunding is the right word to be used here but it's more like a donation already, since we can't get something in return such as a token, same as what we have here in the crypto world.

I’m curious. Why does donation seem right and not crowdfunding to you, when they mean more or less the same thing. Crowdfunding is self explanatory. Asking/begging money from a bunch of people you don’t know and will probably never meet over the internet. And in this scenario, crowdfunding seems to be the right word.

More likely than not, an irresponsible gambler having burnt through whatever money and savings he had on gambling, would equally after being helped out by strangers and friends, would begin to repeat the process that got him broke all over again.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: Blitzboy on December 01, 2023, 05:28:37 PM
No. This will only make gamblers feel that they will be helped to meet their living needs while they can still gamble as usual. They may be even more irresponsible in their gambling because they are calm to see that there is crowdfunding that will help them. But if crowdfunding is intended to help problem gamblers cure gambling addiction, for example, maybe crowdfunding can work well. Maybe there are still people who care about others, especially those who experience gambling addiction problems, so from crowdfunding, they can use the funds to help the healing process of people who are addicted to gambling.
I don't think they will play gambling immediately right after they get the money but they will first use those on the important things. And maybe they can even change after this because they are too ashamed of their selves and they are doing this as another way of saying thanks.

Yes, there are always people who are too soft and are willing to help the person who are in need of help. Maybe some of them are also an addict before. They know how hard it is to become one. Still, I don't think crowdfunding is the right word to be used here but it's more like a donation already, since we can't get something in return such as a token, same as what we have here in the crypto world.
Gambling may be fun and skill-building, despite its misperception. It requires strategy, patience, and occasionally luck, not just money. This acknowledgement is key to understanding why not all people spend recklessly after receiving wealth. Even gamblers may prioritize important expenses, showing responsibility.

The difference between "contribution" and "crowdfunding" is complicated. Donations dont usually earn crypto tokens. However, the reward may be intangible, like helping someone change their life. Isnt that possibly more precious than any token? Understanding the repercussions of our actions on individuals and society is crucial.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: ethereumhunter on December 02, 2023, 07:16:41 AM
I don't think they will play gambling immediately right after they get the money but they will first use those on the important things. And maybe they can even change after this because they are too ashamed of their selves and they are doing this as another way of saying thanks.

Yes, there are always people who are too soft and are willing to help the person who are in need of help. Maybe some of them are also an addict before. They know how hard it is to become one. Still, I don't think crowdfunding is the right word to be used here but it's more like a donation already, since we can't get something in return such as a token, same as what we have here in the crypto world.
Yes, maybe they won't gamble immediately, but that depends on each person because for those who often gamble, getting money from other people makes them think they can gamble first to get more money and then use it for important things. But for those who don't gamble too often, they might think twice about gambling and there is a possibility that they will even use the money to open a business so that they don't depend too much on gambling to make money. If that's what they do, they can really use their money for their own benefit and really think about their family's needs rather than just gambling.

Yes, you could say it's like a donation because there are people who give their money to other people. Maybe it's for gambling, but if they can use the money for other, more important things, that would be even better. They can try to create a source of income outside of gambling so that they can make money from what they make.


Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: EluguHcman on December 02, 2023, 10:53:35 AM
Actually no amount of funds is worth throwing away like willingly giving out to gambling as a course of lost.
Nomatter how minimal a fund maybe, it is to have more values than for staking on gambling even though gambling is to proffering multiplications of stakes.

This is just why it is reasonable to being responsible in gambling.
Hence I wouldn't still ignore to assist in crowdfunding to such one of an irresponsible gambler who has seized to utilize his funds instead staking and loosing them to gambling.
I am to believe that I am or had been into the system of gambling so I should be good enough to understand such situations.
Of course I will participate to assist such a person as long as I am financially stabled enough to help but on a contrary, if the gambler is a usually finding to betting his funds meant to be utilized on some important amenities, I would withdraw my give away heart towards him.




Title: Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly?
Post by: wxa7115 on December 04, 2023, 12:47:41 AM
I don't think they will play gambling immediately right after they get the money but they will first use those on the important things. And maybe they can even change after this because they are too ashamed of their selves and they are doing this as another way of saying thanks.

Yes, there are always people who are too soft and are willing to help the person who are in need of help. Maybe some of them are also an addict before. They know how hard it is to become one. Still, I don't think crowdfunding is the right word to be used here but it's more like a donation already, since we can't get something in return such as a token, same as what we have here in the crypto world.

I’m curious. Why does donation seem right and not crowdfunding to you, when they mean more or less the same thing. Crowdfunding is self explanatory. Asking/begging money from a bunch of people you don’t know and will probably never meet over the internet. And in this scenario, crowdfunding seems to be the right word.

More likely than not, an irresponsible gambler having burnt through whatever money and savings he had on gambling, would equally after being helped out by strangers and friends, would begin to repeat the process that got him broke all over again.
Once that process starts and it gets encouraged by getting money to sustain their addiction why would it stop? When a person gets to the point of begging their loved ones and even strangers for money, we can safely say they will not understand that what they are doing is wrong, until they hit rock bottom and no one is willing to lend them any money anymore.

And even then there are some gamblers that are so far gone that no matter what they experiment, they will never overcome their gambling issues.