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The use of AI on Bitcoin talk is against the rules of this forum . Of course part of the rules on this forum is not to make use of AI to generate posts or to use AI copied text as your own or original text. But how strict is it?

Posts appear more presentable here when proper paraphrasing and punctuations are used. Unfortunately, not everyone here on Bitcoin talk is a native English speaker or writer hence some persons may find some difficulties paraphrasing or punctuating their write-ups.

Now why did I create this thread?
Recently I came across a post in the beginners and help section by a newbie whose English was not ok. Now what drove me into thinking was the reply of one of the forum's most reputable member; BlackHatCoiner. Here was his reply ;
Re: New member (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5482411.msg63534466#msg63534466) as you notice there he mentioned the op rather use an AI to punctuate his posts than leave them poorly structured.

Now my confusion is Although the forum says not to use AI content does that mean that paraphrasing or punctuating with AI is allowed?

There is a difference between using AI-generated text to make posts on the forum and using tools like QuillBot, Grammarly, and many other online English tools to enhance your writing skills.
 
All the tools is helping you to do is put your grammar in writing sense and not ask the AI to write for you.

And another form of paraphrasing that is not allowed in the forum is when you copy someone else's work, which is also considered plagiarism, and use AI to paraphrase it into something else. Such use of AI is abusing and trying to outsmart people, but in the area of grammar and sentence correction, I consider it useful.

Using AI to correct your English? That is not plagiarism and that not the wrong use of AI on this forum. You can use AI to make your English better and well structured and that is not against the rules of this forum because all the writings are from you and not from elsewhere.

Relevant discussion thread, It is bad to use AI to help my post quality improve? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5470266.0). Anyway, what frowned upon is using AI which generate text (not AI which fix writing mistake of text written by yourself).

Can you possibly point out on where that rule was stated? For all I know about use of Ai, it's highly discouraged as it will not help you but reduce your ability to comprehend and create good writing. The only rule of BTT that talks about the use of Ai is rule 27.


With the post you linked by BlackHatCoiner, it clearly shows that he was trying to tell the op to use Ai or online Grammer tools( similar to ai) in constructing his grammatical sentence and not encouraging the use of Ai to creating post. So you should be clear about that.

I am of the following opinion: if a person needs to use an AI tool to interact on a forum, they seriously need medical help, as they must have serious mental problems to not be able to interact with another human being.


Note: English is not my native language, but with a little effort you can talk to everyone without any major problems. The most important thing is the content of the message.

As long as AI is not doing your writing for you, which is wrong and totally unacceptable, you can use AI to fix your grammar errors so that it makes sense and becomes totally comprehensible to your target audience. Some users are first attracted to your writing style before its contents.

There was one high profile, Legendary member whose posts were found to be generated using AI. When I asked them about it, that was their explanation: they were using ChatGPT to improve their spelling and grammar. While the member's posts weren't deleted, I don't recommend doing this as the result is still sometimes thoughts and ideas that aren't your own.

When you do this, you are taking credit for writing that wasn't done by you. IMO this is dishonest and no different than plagiarism. Instead, as was already recommended a few posts above, you should use Grammarly which doesn't totally alter the intent or content of the post.

I imagine there will soon be a day when use of ChatGPT is considered plagiarism and potentially a ban-able offense (even if just a temp ban for first-time offenders, as opposed to permanent ban). This is because the forum is currently enduring an onslaught of AI spammers who aren't contributing anything of value, and it is likely to only get worse as time goes on.

Use Grammarly. Force yourself to learn the nuances of the English language. Take time to put thought and effort into your posts. Perhaps most importantly, if you don't have anything useful or interesting to say about a topic, remember that you don't have to post in it at all! Simply move on to another topic that is more mentally inspiring.

I am new here with having not too much knowledge and rules of this forum but till I found this is one of the best reply for AI users because it's never been ideal to have things like these while you are talking to other humans.

English is not my native language also, but I am trying my best to have things which others can understand easily and without any problem.

The key is don't cheat.

If someone really don't how to speak English, they can use google translate, grammarly, AI etc, and give a credit if you use an automation tool. Honestly I don't care if it's just a newbie or user without signature, most of them ask a genuine question and only want to know the solution, except they creating so called guide or wall of text to make his post looks high quality.

But if he's participating in signature campaign, that's a different case.

For punctuation you can use Grammarly. It is good.
Use your own words to paraphrase what you have read.
Using AI for any purpose, either paraphrasing or post writing is not right and you should not use AI to make your posts look fancy.
If you are not good in English > learn

You don't even have to credit the automation tool. It's your content, you put in into the system and it adds punctuations and other grammatical changes to make the write up easier to read and a the same time boosts the writer's understanding of the English language. A double win.

If they want to credit the took for other non native speakers, then sure. But they don't have to do so to avoid any form of punishment.

There is no such rule, otherwise hundreds of users who were caught violating that non-existent rule would be permanently banned. The whole thing is still in the gray zone, because the tools used to detect AI are not always precise and reliable, but I still think that the administration should set some rules and equate the use of AI to generate posts with plagiarism.


Most of the users are not from the English-speaking area, but this has never been a major problem for them in communication - especially since the forum existed ten years before AI chat bots appeared. What I read mostly from users from Africa is that they have very strange ideas about AI, but it's just wrong no matter how someone presents it.

Using AI to "beautify" your posts is just one small level below plagiarism, but in essence it doesn't make much difference.

No it's not against the rules but if you make use of it, you're likely to get tagged for posting contents written from AI bots.


You can make use of of the dictionary or google in finding the correct meaning or interpretation for any word you're interested to use in making a post to express your view, but not when you're making a direct copy and paste without referencing it, most of the organizations here as well will like to employ someone that post from his ability and not for your dependency on bots systems, so it's rather on the signature campaigns rules and not the forum rules not to use AI.

From your reference BlackHatCoiner just made a good clarification to a newbie who was trying to pass on information, but because he's not a good writer and English is not his native language, he wrote things that weren't understandable, so the legendary members advised him to always use AI to improve his post quality or English in order for people to comprehend the content more.

There is a big difference between using AI to generate a comment or post and correcting the grammar in your original post. When you use AI to correct the grammar, it doesn't change the content, but it enhances the reading and understanding of your audience. It's more like you should think and write from your head, not a bot writing for you. Now know that AI-generated content is frowned at, but using its tools to correct or improve the readability of your audience is advised.

You can now go ahead and lock the thread because I believe your doubt has been cleared.

To summarize in a simple way what has already been said in previous posts:

Correct use of IA in the forum: Use AI to translate a text that is written by you, in order to be more efficient than other translation tools.

Incorrect use of IA on the forum: Ask the AI to create a text about a subject, question or something else, and then copy this generated text and make a post.

If you are using AI tools to punctuate your paragraphs or to remove any grammatical mistakes then it is almost equals to using Grammarly and other similar tools, because these grammar correction tools also work on the same principle and besides what forum rules say, I say, removal of grammatical mistakes is necessary because with them you can't convey your message clearly. Besides grammatical mistakes, we also make spelling mistakes and they have to be correct also.

For example, I have installed the Grammarly extension and whenever I write some word's spelling wrong it auto-corrects them and saves me time. This becomes handy in all cases like for spelling and grammar correction also. So, I don't think it would be wrong to use AI to erase any grammatical, or spelling mistakes out of it, even you can use AI to gain knowledge about some topics, for example, when I come to learn about some new term in crypto I rush to AI and tell it to teach me about this topic like a child.

PS: AI has become a part of life so thanks for asking this question.

It's against the rules. There are official and unofficial rules on this forum but since the campaign manager has adopted the restriction of user posting AI content it is technically a rule. Besides, if people who are guilty of using are red-tagged and put on the campaign manager Blacklist then we should see it as a rule.

Yes, it is on campaign rules but it's still applicable to the forum rules because there's no way people will use AI-generated content and escape plagiarism.

It is a good practice and can help you to sharpen your writing skill.

You don't have to paraphrase what you read as your work to change someone's intelligent content to your own content. During the paraphrasing process, you will distort meaning of original content. You can use quote block and source link to quote the original content, then input your own idea for discussion on that content.

[GUIDE] Plagiarism and how to avoid it. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5037514.0)
[TIPS] to avoid plagiarism (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5133485.0)
Text spinning/disguised plagiarism (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4721932)
New sort of plagiarism (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5120180.0)

If you're using a correction tool the input and the essence of the meaning of the words are still yours, if you're using an AI everything is produced by AI, and its not your idea it is the AI idea and it will not reflect your character in your post but the AI, people here are very observant they know if you changed your posting behavior like when you rarely post from one section then you suddenly become an expert on that section, or there is a slight flaw on your post and suddenly it becomes perfect.

Correcting writing punctuation with AI tools may not be prohibited. We can even use automatic text prediction to improve our English writing which may be bad. I personally also feel that I am not very good at English. So I often make mistakes in placing some of the right words. But personally, I am still confident that my writing can still be understood by readers, so I still don't feel the need to use tools to correct my writing.

The most important thing is not to misuse AI just to make replies or posts. Because the essence of this forum is discussion. So when AI speaks, the essence of the discussion itself is lost. So it is understandable if AI is prohibited from making a complete reply. Unless we need a written reference and we ask Ai to look for it and then we quote it and must also include the source, whether it is the result of AI or from a website or book.

But I personally recommend avoiding using Ai. Because the habit of using AI to correct our writing or spelling, grammar will only make us careless and get used to it. So in the end our language skills will not develop at all.

When the grammar is terrible, I don't like reading things in Spanish, especially when they are native people. So, just because you are a native of a language doesn't mean you have good grammar.

In that idea, I think you should first study your language and with the help of these tools learn to "write" English.

The forum is not a grammar school but at least its idea should be understood by everyone. Come on, my English is not perfect (it is very far), but I try to learn the correct use of grammar, doing that sometimes takes me a post that does not appear in few minutes.

Consequently it is very easy to copy & paste your idea, so,  AI can be stealing your writing essence, which can determine who as a user you really are.

Then, the important thing is that the essence of your idea is understood, and it arrives the way you really want it, not  As Artificial Intelligence Paraphrases It.

Maybe you are confused by what he said, and perhaps, he should have defined it better. Once the body of the message is yours, you can't be penalised for it and will never be the same as another person's work. So there is no way this can attract any infraction since it will surely be void of plagiarism and the AI writing violation of the forum.

What I see here is just a misconception, many AIs that are good in writing and editing are not even used for direct writing, they will not be able to auto-generate such for you. Many of them are even encouraged in school as they help students develop their English learning and writing skills faster and better. A good example is Grammarly, it will correct your errors in writing and before you know it, you can be a better writer without it within a short time.

For proper structuring and punctuation of post, I think AI helps without resenting the originality of the idea of the poster, that's what I see as been essential, the originality of your idea been conveyed as it should be is exactly what should be intended with your posting. Not everyone on the forum is a native English speaker or writer but everyone who can speak and understand English on the forum is expected to communicate their ideas about any topic originally without plagiarism and for further clearity, proper punctuation and structuring is required so that the idea of such a person is conveyed in it's original form and understood without any form of ambiguity.

Not all AI are used to generate replies and post only, there are some out there than can be used to help you properly structure and punctuate your sentence and the use of such can't be considered plagiarism or using AI to generate a post because your post still maintains it's originality but in a well structured form for better understanding of others on the forum.

We come to the forum to communicate with people, don't we? Do we want to devolve into communicating with AI? We know where AI gets information from, and there have been many cases where AI answers did not correspond to the truth. But by not paying attention to the posts created by AI, we equate ourselves with those idiots who talk with inanimate things.
If the forum is still human, you need to take advantage of the moment of communication with people and not turn into robots talking to robots.
The world is going crazy with too much AI, so let's leave a few places where we feel like we're not robots.
I believe the rules should be stricter for those who create posts using AI.

There are so many topics to talk about here, even if they are topics that some consider bad, there is always a way to extract some kind of knowledge, I get so discouraged when things are not organic, people trying to use AI, using creativity to feed an AI instead of using this creativity to come here and talk about anything.

I have been using free Grammarly for quite some time now and it corrects my spelling, does help me with grammar, and sometimes removes unwanted words from a sentence. They recently came up with another free product which is called Rewrite with Grammerly, it will only help if used to improve a paragraph or a sentence and helps with ideas to write a topic. As you are suggesting Grammarly I would like to ask you, If rewrite is used will it be considered AI written content?

Plagiarizing is forbidden, not paraphrasing. When an AI corrects your grammar, that is considered paraphrasing. And yes, I personally encourage the use of Grammarly or an LLM if used properly, because I frequently stumble across posts which are criminal offenses to the English language.

To consider something plagiarism, you need evidence. Not, "mechanically seemingly generated text" evidence. Solid evidence. Unless ChatGPT or other AI models allow you to search their database, which I very much doubt as it'd be super privacy invasive, how do you expect this to happen?

We've been doing it for quite some time over here:

AI Spam Report Reference Thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5456516.0)

Based on trial-and-error, me and the other main contributors of that thread have been able to come up with a reporting method that leads to the deletion of most posts reported as "AI spam."

Since its not the same thing as traditional plagiarism, where the text source can be found and presented as solid evidence, I'm of the opinion that it should lead to temp bans and then permanent ban if the user persists. Indeed, some users have already been banned as spammers (whether its a ban for plagiarism or spam, I don't really care, so long as they are banned).

Good, but these posts are deleted as spam, not as plagiarism. I agree that there are countless of AI meaningless posts, and should be deleted, but not because they were generated by an AI; simply because they lack essence and / or fill the board with shitposts.

My reply goes to banning someone and using "ChatGPT plagiarism" as an excuse. Of course and I support banning spammers.

I don't know about your opinion on this matter, but to me using Artificial intelligence to improve interaction on this forum sounds rather going backwards to what is supposed to be the natural path towards learning a second language. Now,  I don't want anyone to misunderstand me, English is not my first language and I indeed struggled at the beginning of my journey learning it, so I used Google translator to aid myself with some words and sentences I could not build or understand. However, the point of those tools (translators, dictionaries and AI) is to be able to grow apart from them eventually and be able to express ourselves independently.
I am afraid the use of AI in the forum could discourage people from actually learning to post by themselves and from learning grammar which could be actually useful in other contexts, like during a job interview, for example.

Would people using AI this way even take notes on how they are supposed to write or just copy-paste their result without paying attention to corrections? That is the question.

It's a sad thing but this connection with humans online is already a teeny tiny amount compared to connections in real life and replacing that with AI seems kind of like eliminating it entirely making lots of us that don't have a lot of human connection lose it. It's a good thing that AI is still making mistakes when it comes to problem solving, it's obvious when someone's using it to help someone out using a post so they can pretend to know something about the problem. People have long been warned with AI (shoutout to the story I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream by Harlan Ellison) but we didn't believe them that they're just going to be used for automation but now, they're trying to replace what it's like to be a human, such a sad dystopia we're living in.

I will also ask the OP of that thread to use a  paraphrasing or correction tool to correctly structure his thread for members to fully understand what he wants to convey, and yes I also encourage the use of Grammarly, Grammarly not only correct our errors but we also learn how words are correctly written and where the right punctuation should be, even the best writers use Grammarly to correct the wordings, the past and the present form of the sentence, but output should come out from the posters thinking and it should be within the topic.
This is to avoid miscommunication from the creator of the topic and the posters posted different answers because of miscommunication because of the wrong structure of the topic.

I believe you do not get the gist at all, you mean the improvement of one's English is a backwardness?

C'mon! Let me assume that you do not know what the AI we are actually talking about are used for. Depending on the AIs in question, they are not manipulators or encouragers of lazy writing, but instead, they are teachers, tutors, correctors and mentors. They show you your wrong English, punctuation and others, and will also suggest the proper way they should be done for you. However, you construct your words and their meaning yourself, and not them.

This can't ever be a setback for the forum but can instead improve the league of good writers and reduce the garbage we read daily on the forum. If you must know, and maybe you will do research on this as well, to know that you got it all wrong because Schools, Businesses, Media houses, Freelancers, Editing firms, Scriptwriters, Publishers, the Government and many more are using it. It is good to the extent that I've read from sources that Western schools encourage it for their students to improve their English speaking and writing.

Using them correctly, especially Grammarly, I can assure you that you will pass your professional English exams with good grades. Not to mention that its tutoring is faster than theoretical learning. Is that what you call a setback?

There are two different things, firstly writing with AI and secondly improving grammar using AI. These two categories are different, but both use AI as a tool. I'm sure many users including moderators don't like the first category and therefore users get their posts deleted and reported, but the second category may still be tolerable even though some other users don't agree with the method.

Many of us are not native English speakers, but our passion for learning and improving grammar sets us apart from each other. The most important thing is that the ideas written are conveyed and can be understood well by other users, if not then local board are suitable for them.

I can't name grammar correctors such as Grammarly or QuillBot as AI, even though both premium versions offer a wide variety of tools to improve your text and its fluency. From what I've noticed, the majority of users who are using AI writing tools are newbies, possibly in an attempt to rank up or appear sophisticated, trying to show off that they know what they're talking about. Moreover, a large number of them think that they're smarter than everyone else, enter a signature campaign, and get away with making money without any effort.

Thankfully, I can't recall seeing any reputable users using them; there are certainly exceptions to this rule, but I believe that the community is generally on the lookout for AI usage, and I've started checking suspicious posts as well, in order to contribute to the AI report thread.

I believe AI post will not a big deal if the content provided by the AI is really pleasing “unique” content for the discussion. The problem on AI post was its answer is too general as if you are discussing with a book that gives fact from its reference while forum is a place for a discussion between users means an idea from the opinion of others and not from google which an AI can never provide.

An AI post is only helpful for topics that asking questions with specific answers and not for post with objective questions. Admin keep deleting post that comes from AI due to its spammy and off topic way since user that use it is too lazy to check its content before they use it as post.

It's hard for me to believe that I read this and that from someone who is a "Legendary" member of this forum, and does not see any problem in the fact that someone uses AI chat to create posts that he then presents as his own as long as those posts are "pleasing for the discussion".

I would like to ask you if you understand what kind of message you are sending with your post to all those who will read your post and have doubts about AI posts, but I honestly doubt that members who think like you even understand the difference between content that is unique and created by humans and that which is created by artificial intelligence.

I don't think that I reveal anyone's secret if I say that there are many users who use some online translators like Google Translate on a regular base. I often see some typical mistakes these translators make and it looks fun. I'm sure I make even more fun mistakes, so I'm far from blaming anyone in that.

Main difference with AI usage is that some users probably don't know English good enough, but they know what they are talking about. If they say something about some aspect of their Bitcoin experience, they usually have that experience and they can talk about it with their mother tongue. So when they use GT, they can get some mistakes in grammar but all mistakes in facts can be only if they have some misunderstanding.

When someone uses AI, they usually don't understand what AI wrote for them. They know nearly nothing about the topic they try to join. They don't understand where AI makes mistakes and even if other will tell about those mistakes they will nor understand it, nor even be interested in understanding.

If I ever want to talk to AI, I can do it myself. I need no fakers who try to pass off AI text as their own and who can't say anything else by themselves.

By means of pleasing on my post is described on the second of my comment which you deleted. I’m not encouraging the use of AI per se but rather it’s not a big deal for me discussing with someone if it can provide a discussion that looks like an organic post which I already mention that is impossible to attain by the AI technology.

Can I ask you a question, what’s your main goal why you are here in the forum? Because mine is for the sake of discussion to other user on the topic that gives me interest. I’m not sure your goal but this is my opinion and my rank is not relevant for giving an opinion on this matter.

Edit:

I already edited my previous post just to avoid comments like you are trying to convey which is not my real intention.  :D

There is a difference between using a tool which function as a writing assistant and generating a content entirely with the use of A.I, because what the forum is against is "generating a content entirely with the use of A.I" (i.e using tools such as ChatGPT) and not against using a writing assistant tool such as "Grammarly" which helps the writer ensured grammatical sentences are placed where they ought to be, including punctuations and spelling errors.

Hence, in conclusion, using a tool such as "Grammarly" can never be categorized as using A.I, simply because it only acts as a writing assistant while the ownership of the content remain yours.  


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Actually if we use grammarly to enhance our skills in writing a topic then for me it's good inorder to have a good and understable post. but if a user use AI to create a topic then there's a possibility that your topic plagiarizing from some article or topics cause AI don't have brain. AI can not delivered same as human so there's a chance that AI will create some post that already made so it is still plagiarizing. Anyways it is matter what AI have been generated so there's an AI that for correcting Grammar and English which useful.

I agree, there were words that I misspelled and I thought were the correct spelling for many years only through the use of Grammarly did I notice and correct all the spelling errors, I sometimes used words that are present tense when they should be present tense and also plural and noun, Grammarly is not feeding you what to say, it corrects your input, the idea is yours, now when you're using an AI like ChatGpt it feeds you what to say, so it's not your idea.

It is quite clear to me what you want to say, and you just repeated it - you literally say that you have no problem with AI posts as long as they look "organic". Posts created with AI may look like they were written by humans, and you obviously didn't recognize such posts.


My goal is certainly not to discuss with people who think it's okay to make or embellish their posts with the help of AI, because I consider it just a slightly smaller version of plagiarism. As for your rank, I wrote that because most beginners think that people with ranks like Hero or Legendary are the ones who should be their role models. If you in any way justify the use of AI technology to create posts, you are sending them a very bad message.


You can edit as much as you want, my intention is just to warn members not to encourage others to do things they shouldn't do.

This isn't even about medical assistance; they're just lazy and don't want to put in the effort to improve their writing skills or simply prove that they can explain a point better or have a more grammatical meaning to the word than the other people. As far as I know, this is you not putting in the effort to improve your English and instead relying on someone else's work, which is bad for you.


Your English is very good and without you saying it out now, I wouldn’t have known that English is not your native speaking language. The punctuation and the grammar all good and nothing to question the sentence about.

Yes, currently most of the posts that are generated via AI text generators are considered as spam. Those posts can't be considered as plagiarized content because even the main authors who wrote such texts can't really take and strict actions against the users who use AI text generators to create posts.

But, most of those posts are inaccurate and the information that's generated by the AI tools is totally useless and incorrect. The pattern of the posts that are generated by ChatGPT are similar in nature and this they can be easily detected by someone who understands how ChatGPT generated posts look like.

Although, I won't consider AI generated posts as plagiarism but I truly appreciate the efforts of Nutildah for creating that thread where all posts that are generated with AI can be reported. But, if someone uses AI to fix their posts grammar then the fixed posts can also false being detected by those AI text detectors as AI generated text.

Nobody is perfect - that's what I want to say. Contributors are just doing their best to keep the forum from being filled with AI spammers - but the way AI detectors work is also sometimes not very reliable. If someone writes long and there are lots of prepositions or conjunctions such as ^{[although, so, therefore, or something like that]} then there is a big possibility that the content was detected as created by AI.

Using ChatGPT to create discussion content in forum isdishonorable - so it's best avoided. Original content created by one's own thoughts and ideas is much better than AI-generated content - so users should be able to avoid it for their own good. The worst consequences of using AI to create posts are; banned.

Right, false positives are possible, and that's why when we are looking at posts we use several AI detectors and look for several recent AI written posts. Any chance that several natural posts in a row are detected as AI written, by several AI detectors is close to 0.

I'd say that there are more problems with those who likely use AI but whose posts are not detected by many enough detectors. There are still AI posters on the forum and I doubt it is a pleasure to anyone to talk to AI thinking that you are talking to a human being.

Posting content that was AI-generated fulfills both requirements of what plagiarism is: You took the work from someone else, and you didn't credit the original source. That's plagiarism. The only issue here is that AI-generated plagiarism might be difficult to prove. You are again relying on automated tools to check and tell you whether a piece of text is or isn't created by a different automated tool. Do you understand what I am saying? It's not reliable, and can't be controlled and verified by a human. But if there was a database of everything an AI site ever generated, it would make things much easier in terms of proving plagiarism.

If at least the majority of the members of this forum thought so, then there would be no problem with such posts - but from the posts above you can read very strange opinions, and it is not an isolated opinion - some members of the forum say that they only make their posts "more pleasing to the eye" " with the help of AI and that they see nothing wrong with that. Those cultural differences that you wrote about regarding plagiarism can definitely be applied to the use of AI tools.


It's true, there is currently no completely reliable way that can be used to detect content created with AI, but there is a set of tools that can be used and whose results can then be compared. I also recently accused someone of using AI, and it turned out that even two detectors showed bad detection - which means that we should be very careful and try to check with as many detectors as possible.

In my opinion, the bigger problem is that the forum's administration has not made a clear decision about this, and that practically means that anyone who reads the unofficial rules of the forum thinks that content created with AI is allowed.

I think the confusion there is when he actually Said the person should Ai to correct his Grammer properly well  I don't know if that's what he really meant but I can say that the use of English correction app in your keyboard can go a long way and one of such is the granmerly app although am used to the free version on Google search engine where I would just input my word written and the granmerly will just help me correct most of the sentences is quite effective because I know how much difference it has made to post and improvement in terms of trying to convey a message across to my readers here in the community. In other for a post to flourish there must be good understanding of the reader and the message past if not there will be total confusion.

Atleast it's far better than using AI generate text which I believe most users here argue that it fit into the category plagerism which this community frawn at.

It would be an interesting discussion to focus more on what they consider to be more pleasing to the eye. If they have written their reply themselves and then paste it into an AI bot and say, check the pasted text for grammatical errors and make changes to make it sound better, that's ok as long as the original idea is still theirs. What is not ok is asking an AI bot to write a piece of text on some subject and just copy it from there and present it in a post on Bitcointalk as yours. 

The forum rules predate the creation of AI tools, and the administration isn't exactly quick in making changes or going public with new information. Or maybe this whole AI problem that we think is an issue, isn't that important in the eyes of the admins.

That's true the AI content detectors aren't much reliable to detect AI generated content and sometimes they detect human-written content also as AI generated content.

There have been many cases when genuine text has been detected as AI generated text by one AI text detector while it was detected as human generated content as other AI text detectors. However, those detectors can be helpful to some extent if you know how to use them but a few times they give fake results.

I highly agree with you, the content that we write in which we share our own thoughts and ideas or opinion is much better than the content that's generated via those AI content generators like ChatGpt. Especially in a online forum use of such text generators is not a good practice.

Those who can't write in good English should improve their English by watching video lectures which are freely available on YouTube these days to improve their English writing. They should try their best to avoid fixing their English or English grammar with those AI content generators.

If AI actually existed you’d not know the post was “AI” written. It’s mostly easy to spot “AI” posts because they are almost always shit. why? Because legit AI, or AGI will be self learning, it won’t have to pull data from the web, mash it together, reorganize and spit back out ..like it does now. Thats all this “AI” is. Advanced programming, absolutely..massive changing tech, no.  Nobody wants to read posts like this just like we get sick of articles written by these programs, as they are almost always ..shit.

Maybe the best explanation I’ve read about this - https://www.newyorker.com/science/annals-of-artificial-intelligence/there-is-no-ai

There's something I have come to understand, is that the use of AI is not that bad and there are things we can use AI to do which are if good but at the same time is not that tolerated in the Forum especially those who are in a sig campaign.
Some people do use it in an abusive way, let's say in some campaign where they do give bonus to the best post and you'd be surprised to see some users making use of AI to make their post the best. So that's where AI isn't supported in the Forum, when you use it against the Forum rules.

It’s not against the forum to based your answers from AI. The only reason it gets wrong is when you copy the text and own it like your self made post. However, paraphrasing it and eventually add some relevant ideas based from your own understanding is I think valid and not against the forum rules. Of course, if you don’t have ideas on a certain thread, you will definitely make a research on it, until you find yourself get the main point and explain it based on how you understand the given thread or question.

The forum doesn't have an AI-specific rule, but it does say that zero-value posts are prohibited, which is enough IMO. That's probably why you're getting these posts deleted in the AI thread. The fact that you can distinguish an AI post tells a lot about the post itself; it is a shitpost. The user fed the model the OP's message and requested a response. That can rarely generate human-looking text; especially newbie-looking text.

spell check and grammarly are just less shopistacated ai.

Spell check is allowed
grammarly is allowed.

there fore ai is allowed.

note I did not spell check sophisticated above but I did spell check it in this sentence.

Spell check does not use any kind of AI. It simply applies existing spelling rules and does not learn or adapt. Regarding Grammarly,

https://www.contentellect.com/grammarly-review/

That's the difference. Grammarly only fixes what's there, using "AI" to apply grammar rules. ChatGPT comes up with its own ideas, which are often incorrect when it comes to complicated subjects like the technical details of bitcoin. Therefore it poses an inherent risk for people who come here actually seeking knowledge. It also encourages laziness and social detachment. The only difference between ChatGPT posts and shitposts is the former have better spelling & grammar.

ChatGPT doesn't come up with anything on his own.
It's all just one big mix of presets set by developers and various stuff found on internet.
I had few test and ''conversation'' with it  and I concluded it is very bias and stupid, it is not neutral at all so you can never trust the answers you receive.
It's not hard to imagine that someone could hack it's servers and write anything he wants as a fake AI bot.

The forum doesn't acknowledge the use of AI, so whoever that uses Al has disobey the rules and regulations of the forum so that is one of the things that we have to know concerning using artificial intelligence for composition, but it's different from plagiarism, so whatever we are doing in the aspect of plagiarism and AI both of them have similar offence in the forum, we have to understand the concepts, when someone said they are same I think that person is not mistaken because they have same penalty and the forum forbids them.

It gets creepy with that as some of us argued and struggled with discussions we thought were genuine contributions; not knowing otherwise. That has been going on for a while. Those who utilized Ai on the forum before some CMs frowned at it and drew up modalities against its use, can best be described as cheats. They presented what they never were and took credit for it as if they wrote them from the top of their heads. It's deceit.

If the forum doesn't acknowledge AI, how is it against the rules? Spamming the board with zero-value posts is what's against the rules, and that's why AI generated posts are getting deleted.

Fortunately, it is still easy to spot humans on the Internet; each one of us has a unique writing style of their own. It is very easy to spot an AI account. If it's a brand new account, appeared out of nowhere, writing an extensive list of what one needs to consider before starting a new crypto project, using plain bold, then it's probably an AI (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5483120.msg63565978#msg63565978).

All Al posts are seen as invalid post because its not quality or relevant, when you cross check AI posting you can see that is not formative and that is while it's been deleted..but remember that the system of bitcointalk doesn't capture  Al posting except that it's been noticed by any individual and test run the composition or article before it can be confirmed that the composition is been composed with artificial intelligence, left with the notice of members of the forum, a post that's is made with a artificial intelligence can not be deleted, its base on the post or composition is meaningless and it doesn't have any innovative measures or positive impacts to the forum from the observation of the reporter, do you noticed that all the posts that is being deleted from the system of bitcointalk most be reported first before deleted by mod.

they are both a.i. they are simple versions and not as good as the new shit.

But I have zero problem with spell check  , grammarly or google translate, getting used in posting.

all are pretty simple time savers and you could use old school books the same way.

The better newer modern A.I. is too good.

It is like this t.v.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1646774-REG/samsung_qn98qn90aafxza_qn90a_98_class_hdr.html?ap=y&smp=y&msclkid=0dde40633d1c1215a4f025a183d91187

vs this tv

https://www.ebay.com/itm/363791248495?


one is simply far better than the other.


BTW if you generate an A.I. paragraph and then misspell a few words does it register as A.I. ?

I think Spell checking is ok. What is not OK is asking Chat GPT a full question and then someone just copies and pastes the response as their own.

For example, I use LanguageTool sometimes, and It makes AI suggestions on the sentence I have just typed (which I made from my own). I don't actually use it to rephrase my whole writings but just spelling errors and sometimes grammar. I prefer my own writings over AI rephrasing. I think some users already use it to rephrase their sentences.

Here is an example

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/02/06/vF8Pl.png

You can quote AI as long as you credit the program and use the quotation marks. The only thing that is against the rules is using the AI work as your own.

No one’s gonna beat you up in this forum for having shitty grammar. Long as you have the basic understanding of how to construct english sentences most of us here would make do of the rest and decipher whatever you wrote. And as long as it’s coherent to the most basic degree and it’s not chicken scratch we’re going to understand what you’re saying, trust me. So for newbies out there, rather than rely on AI to help you with constructing posts94 comments, try posting using your own methods first. I reckon it would be exceptionally better for you as it allows you to express yourself through your own way and it builds mastery as well.

That being said, I don’t think Blackhat’s wrong for suggesting the use of AI in such a minor degree. But the thing is there’s a massive slippery slope that could lead users into eventually using AI for posting here, since it has been human nature to abuse what very little power they are given from the moment they get it.

My verdict and opinion remains in favor of banning the use of AI in this forum. It’s disingenuous, it stops you from formulatin your own opinions, and it’s exceptionally harmful for newbies up to full members here cause it’s not like you’re going to read whatever shitpost the AI made once it’s done.

I think signature campaign managers should do a better job at managing their campaigns. There's almost no exception to this as in every campaign these days there's some perpetrator sometimes. Some managers are quick to get such members out of their campaigns, others don't seem to care.

For instance, AI or not... There's too many nonsensical messages that add nothing to the discussion of each given topic. If managers look into quality over quantity a bit more it will make things easier. As of AI spam... I think someone needs to develop a reliable methodology for detecting it and host it as a service. Allowing managers that pay him a fee to check for messages to be AI free. Of course this would need some supervision to be more reliable so perhaps advertisers could pay managers to hire some extra staff.

Back in the day plagiarization was always caught by bitcointalk detectives but there's only so much that can be done against LLMs thesedays, especially when there's managers that don't care about nonsense posts being paid, who's gonna care about AI which is barely distinguishable from normal posts.

I think AI is also being detected on this forum by the spam blasters of the forum. Nutildah has created a thread in reputation board where active users report AI generated posts whenever they find one. The AI detectors aren't that bad as they can detect AI generated text to some good extent.

I know that it's not going to stop those who are good at training AI themselves but at least most users don't really know that kind of technical things and they mostly rely on available AI text generators like ChatGPT, Google bard and a few others.

When it comes to quality of posts then surely managers do care about those and they avoid accepting those participants in the campaigns that only post useless things and nothing else. They are doing their job at their best and we can't blame them at all.

They are also humans and checking each user's all posts manually isn't possible so they might read a few posts of the users to see that how good the user is doing. I think we should appreciate managers of the forum because their job isn't easy but still they're doing their best.

As far I know most Compaign manager has added special bonus for AI post detectors and also banning for all compaign for year if catched successfully for AI spamming. More than five members who was accepted in compaign has been removed and their payment givens to those who catched them. It is not true that compaign manager not caring about quality. Ab de Royse77 is I think first who added AI spamming note in the compaign thread.

There are some tools mentioned in Nutildah thread for detecting AI post but still some members are so clever and they are adding some extra word to humanize it.

There are more methods to hide AI usage and I will not mention them for obvious reasons. But it is still usually just a matter of time when those who use AI will be caught, because those who are so lazy that they prefer not to write several posts by themselves are usually too lazy to edit their posts enough each time, because good editing will take even more time than to write by themselves.

Imo, at some point, using paraphrasing tools is somehow similar to AI-produced content, grammar check is fine I guess. If you let AI construct your sentence even if the idea came from you, there's a chance that it can be flagged as an AI-generated post even if it's not your intention. My advice is just to make it grammatically correct or understandable, users here already know that we're different and some are not english fluent, formality is not quite used but always depends on the topic.

So yeah, be careful with what you compose. AI is getting good nowadays, they can even compose a sentence with emotion, not AI style.
In general, if you really want to learn and at the same time make your efforts here worth it, AI isn't really a good use here since we need a discussion on a certain topic based on your own understanding or experience. For sure, a user who uses AI will suffer in the long term once based people come up with an idea where they can detect AI-produced posts. If people can detect plagiarism, made by AI are possible to be detected too so they give value to the process of learning, don't skip it by AI, study everything and make use of it in real life. 

There are bunch of tools that can detect AI already and at some point I agree that using AI on minor things is not impressive.  

I definitely agree with you.

It's entirely different when you're just using those software to help you correct your grammar so that you can clearly state what you're trying to say in a certain topic, unlike using like chatGPT to construct paragraphs for you regarding about a certain topic and just pasting here in the forum.


About this one, you can avoid plagiarism if you're just going to use a certain blog as your reference by giving proper credits to the author(s).

Also, don't just simply do copy and paste kind of action but try to derived it in your own perspective to avoid plagiarism. It's not bad to read something that you found in google, when you're just trying to get some other opinions regarding about certain topics but don't forget to always put proper credits to the rightful owners, like what I've said earlier.

You're all right, there's no point in making post without giving credit to the source and the content are not directly from the experience we had, so what's the point coming out in this, someone will make a post and will not identify the credit to the source of the post be it AI or not, so i dont see it as nothing than pure plagiarism in disguise.

This is not about the requirements by the signature campaigns, here we are talking about someone making a true and genuine post in a thread, and not lending from the robot to make contributions.

It’s not bad to seek answers through AI as it can be helpful actually but the moment you commanded AI to provide you an answer, that makes it so wrong, it’s like you only copy its idea without having your own. It still falls on plagiarism which is certainly not allowed in the forum. If you continue doing that, you will be banned permanently once caught.

However, if AI becomes one of your basis only and you interpreted it on your own and give your personal opinion or idea, that is sharing what you have understand, and not copying from AI. Sometimes, using words from AI can initiate clues, and that’s where you start formulating your own words and phrases based on how you comprehend on the topic or thread.

It seems like I'm far behind in the discussion this time, but I want to add a little. Don't know if anyone said this or not

Plagiarism is usually prohibited as it relates to copyright and can bring one into legal jurisdiction. Meanwhile, blog writing techniques are usually known as re-writing and copy-writing, namely the technique of combining writing and rewriting in your own language. In the past, Google's algorithm did not prohibit rewriting because no patent violations were found, so I don't think AI is part of plagiarism even though I also don't like AI, and it seems that the latest Google algorithm also quite hates writing created by AI.

LOL. Maybe for you. Every piece of writing (blog or otherwise) I've ever done came 100% from my own brain. I would expect anyone else to do the same. Personally I can't stand reading regurgitated text and I can spot it almost immediately. I guess if you are lacking in creativity and don't care to put any effort into your work, then text spinning a suitable alternative, but it will never drive as much clicks or engagement as original content, SEO-wise.


It doesn't really matter what Google does. Use of text spinners has been disallowed on this forum for quite some time. When you paste AI-written text without crediting it as such, you are basically attempting to trick the reader into thinking your post is a product of your own brain when it is not. It is dishonest and deceitful.

Sure, it makes life easier if you are posting from several different accounts, but nobody will read your posts, and the employers of your sig campaigns will notice this.

the law of not using AI in creating post is rather contextual than it literal connotation.

If I have a topic I intend creating and maybe I am not all that good at writing from scratch, I can use AI as a tool that will help me pass my message in a readable and easily compressive manner. That's way different from asking AI to write a post that is Bitcoin related for me. From reading through a post, it wouldn't take time before you will be able to differentiate between an organic post and one that is generated by AI.

I think the way we are looking at the use of this AI of a thing is rather strange. The Essene of the use of AI is to serve as an aid that will guide you while doing a particular task.

Sometimes if I'm writing an application letter for a particular job, I can decide to give chat GPT the details that I need to be included in my writing and I tell it to write it in a professional way. I know it can't give me the standard of application letter that I want but I will allow it to generate something for me and then I combine it with what I have written down already and I come up with one of the best application letter you can ever see. It's not to say that I'm giving any false details about my qualification or stuff like that but its more of presenting myself in a moderate and easy to understand manner.

Of course as I have stayed a bit longer in the forum, one of the main thing I have learnt is that people actually love it when you're real and apart from sourcing for fact before making some statement in the forum, I just prefer to write my thing to the extent of my knowledge and that's just it.

It can be so, and it's much better if others will see it. Because if you don't know how to write well something and rely on AI, you can miss when it will say something not exactley what you wanted. And when the entire text will look like it was written by a professional, people may think that some disgusting idea was the thing you really wanted to say. And if your text is not perfect, people usually think that it was just a mistake because of problems with formulating. AI is not a good friend, it is dangerous tool which should be used with all possible caution, if we are not talking about using it for fun.

And you can always make a reference that AI was used for writing your text not to mislead others.

It is an important saying that what ever have an advantage also have a disadvantage, it not ethical using AI to generate a forum post, it makes the human brain less functions by lowering productivity and creativity. AI should only be a quide and to completely rely on , one of it's disadvantage is that it works only with existing ideas and not a new idea, information from AI should not be use without contrasting it to you own language.

Well the rules are very ok because it help us to be able to write very well in English,than to use AI because by using AI it just like someone who is doing expo in the classroom and it will not help us anywhere if we continue to use AI,but when you do your best with your brain it's preferable even though you sentence is not long enough,but at least the little that you were able to put down is commendable more than the good write up you have stolen from the AI..

Again please is there any moderator who can monitor all this,and be able to identify this AI write up and finish them out or how did get the find out who uses AI write?

Its not that you're using AI to correct your words (which you shouldn't do anyway), its that you're using it to generate entire thoughts for you. You're telling me that you actually know a way to bridge out bitcoin testnet to bitcoin signet (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5486853.msg63730767#msg63730767)? These are not your words:


Copyleaks: AI content detected
Hive: 100% likely to be AI generated
Sapling.ai: 100% fake

In addition to this being entirely AI generated, it contains false information. You shouldn't be posting in this section at all. At least 9 of your posts written this month are AI generated, even though you were warned about that 4 times between Nov and Jan. If you don't want your posts deleted, stop using AI.

You already have about one in seven of your posts deleted by moderators – that's more than 14% of your total posts.  If you continue on this path, you'll likely get banned from the BitcoinTalk forum.


Edit: According to BPIP.org (https://bpip.org/Profile?id=3530138), profile has been Autobanned

The clarification which you were expecting have been made known to you by Nwada001 and it might be the right time to lock the thread to prevent trolls and spammers feeding here. Really, my English is not too furnished but since no body had complained, it means I am writing what  anybody can still be able to read and understand. I don't know how to use any tool to make my English better unless I have to practice how to do so with the tools that Nwada001 listed. Thanks Nwada001.

AI is very good tool and have a various advantage but problem here is people misusing it. This forum is for sharing own idea, information and opinions and generating AI post and then just paste it here making no sense here especially when you are wearing signature and receiving payment then it is more worst. I have checked users posts and most of AI posters just want to rank up or spamming for signature posts. If we use this tool positively then there is no strict rules for example I used two or three times when I was getting error in table bb code. Chatgpt mark the mistake I done in the code.

The person who may use these methods to produce publications may be proficient English language and able to communicate. Using artificial intelligence can also save time. Interacting with others requires time to read their posts, while when using AI, five posts can be produced in a few minutes.

As for posting on the forum, this cannot be considered an ethical act or beneficial to users. The forum administration does not need to set rules regarding this because it could be considered spam and the account will be banned. At the same time, I do not support the effectiveness of fraud detection applications because they are still inaccurate to use in judging any suspicious content.

It seems just as you were giving him some advice about posting he was banned, at least you tried to guide him but the inevitability eventually caught up with him.

I would have to agree. AI is being used in many formats across many different industries that are mostly going reap rewards of innovation. Granted there will be aspects to frown upon such as the obvious loss of jobs to AI but it is more-or-less being used for positive purposes in general. As you correctly cited, when it used for signature spamming it causes issues especially if the post contains incoherent ramblings or off-topic nonsense.

If I didn't know better (and I don't), I'd say the above post was AI-generated since it's totally generic and either comes from the mind of a simpleton shitposter or Tmoonz had some sort of "help" in the writing of it.  

I keep hearing that AI is getting better and better by the day and that pretty soon any online writing job--like blogging, journalism, etc.--is going to be done by AI.  That's fucking frightening to me.  And considering how many people participate in sig campaigns here and who, before AI was around, put in the least amount of effort possible, I have to think a lot of them are now just using programs to make posts that seem on-topic for any given thread and go undetected by members who happen to read them.

Technology is not going to make this forum better, I tell you.  Not even if that New Forum Software ever gets released--and that's a big LOL right there.

OK, but was that because of his use of AI or for some other reason?

I have seen a lot of high-ranked members constantly posting AI-generated posts and their posts are always identical and you can see that they aren't written by a human, what's worst is that they don't even edit them and you can sometimes find sentences and words that give it away that they are using an AI language model to generate those posts.
I wonder how difficult they find it to write posts themselves that they do this, I mean, if you have nothing to contribute, just don't make posts at all, but then again, they need to earn money from here. Signature campaign managers need to up their game identifying and catching AI users.

Don't you know about the existence of a thread where you can report such posts? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5456516.0
I wouldn't be so confident in saying that many high-ranking members are now using AI tools to write posts. Therefore, as an example, please show some examples.
Although the forum has not created clear rules for the use of AI tools for writing posts, such behavior is highly condemned.

I'm in 100% agreement with this statement. Its the people, the personalities, the ideas & the educators that make this forum what it is. Also the trolls & the smart-asses, but technology won't make them better either.


From what I understand, the strict interpretation is they were banned for spamming. A less strict interpretation would be they were banned for AI spam, and the least strict would be they were banned for using AI. Between me & others in the AI Spam Report Reference Thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5456516.0), they had about 30 "AI spam" reports marked as "Good". He had been warned continuously about it since November...

Now this is interesting.

What you stated seems to be the case without doubt for members who are simply trying to spam for their signatures or rank up but when you state you have seen AI constantly being used by several high ranked members I was unable to think of any name at all. If you will not name names, is it possible you can give an estimated number?

In some cases they probably do but that is when reported posts also help them.

Lol...You are now overstressing things and I guess you and I are not in this same forum, because if we are, I would surely notice what you are alleging. Many high-ranked members can be writing garbage, and this is applicable to those with high merits, but for them to use AIs and still get to that feat undetected is not so feasible.

You may be right with a few though, I can't possibly know everyone and read all posts, but the overemphasizing it is what I do not buy. But if you are sure of this, then you should not keep silent. You should report it at the appropriate sections of the forum, especially if they violate the moral ways of using AIs on this forum. The issue is that there are no vivid spelt rules regarding the use of AIs here, yet there are some plain use of it that would violate the rules of the forum, especially the plagiarism aspect of it.

There is no way one can be using AIs without plagiarising if they do not edit it as alleged, so you can have a valid point if you point us to those posts for us to also judge.

Well, do you have something to contribute? Because to me, it sounds like you're simply trying to overexaggerate a situation that isn't as bad as you make it look while also increasing your post count for your excessive quota of 60 posts. I imagine it must be hard to reach such a high quota. I personally cannot think of me writing 60 posts per week and being constructive at the same time.

There's a thread to report AI usage, just like lovesmayfamilis told you, and if you're so downright that a large number of high-ranked members are using AI, then you would have known. It's highly possible that this statement is derived from your pure imagination. I've been on the lookout for AI content for quite some time now; the majority is newbies and generally newer accounts who attempt to appear knowledgeable. I've personally found only one Sr. Member and reported him.

So, if you have any evidence to back your statements, why didn't you make a report? A quick look around the forum, and you would have found the corresponding thread.

Services and online applications that provide AI detection that offer the service for free are barely trustworthy.  :(

Some of them might work sometimes but at times, they are inaccurate as you say. I say this because I have tried most of them with actual AI-generated texts and most of them aren't providing accurate results. The percentage they provide for the text to be AI-generated is very low whereas one can understand that the text is AI-generated just by reading through it.

There should be some framework to address AI posts.

The other day I reported a post reply that was clearly AI generated. For instance, when you put into ChatGPT a piece of text and say to it "write a response in similar words" it will just reshuffle the words and make a response that barely makes any sense, recycling all the input. It's a trash in trash out system after all.

So instead of at least providing some incentive to make such reports mods labeled them as bad... I almost never have my reports labeled as bad and I've made thousands of reports. So if mods treat reports against AI like this, then I think the forum is doomed to be flooded with AI messages, which mods are seemingly giving a greenlight too.

It's obvious even to me that many participants in signature campaigns have started using AI models for their thread responses, but very rarely are they called out about it and even if they are, signature campaign managers that pay them get no consequences...

You can use the framework outlined in nutildah's 'AI Spam Report Reference Thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5456516.0)' for reporting AI spam.  In my experience, most reports that are submitted there and follow the guidelines tend to get addressed by the moderators.

That's a good thread and thanks for bringing it to my attention. However I'm very doubtful on what moderators expect to delete a post or thread response based on the AI accusation. Sometimes even for an AI system, there can be bad outputs (as I mentioned it being a trash in trash out system). I've reported obvious word salads that reshuffle words in the OP or from other responses at best adding a couple original words. Even those didn't get taken down.

Even in the aforementioned thread there's responses from over a week ago that came out as AI generated text with 98% certainty, and the mods still did not remove it.

Since mods are acting in this manned, not being strict or outright ignoring AI posts... I am wondering. Should there be more mobilization of users in that regard? Perhaps start giving neg trust to those abusing AI to make posts... Or we just don't care about it anymore?

If you show that there are several posts of the same user which are detected by several reliable AI detectors, then there are over 95% probability that moderators will delete these posts. Probability of ban is yet tiny, but it also exists. And having a post with several examples of AI usage in that topic is a good reference for leaving a neutral tag about AI usage, what can be important for those who plan to take part in different campaigns.

It is not as effective as when we report plagiarism, but it gives some not so little result anyway. The more active AI posters are caught, the less motivated others are to use AI.

If anyone used the news portal copy and paste, In this stages will account banned ?
If account holder realized it's violation of forum rule and remove the related post still be banned the account?

First offense? Maybe you'll only get a slap on the wrist (post deleted by a moderator). But keep plagiarizing content, and you're outta here. Plagiarism is a no-go according to the forum rules, and the mods decide how harsh the penalty gets.


Probably not!  Most mods are cool with folks cleaning up their own messes.

If you are using a tool like grammarly and your primary intention is to improve the grammar, it should not be problem. But if you are spamming with AI generated text, this will not be tolerated. You should also report such posts if you come across them. This could have become a major problem for a big forum for bitcointalk but the good thing is that there are many active members who report these kind of posts on time.

The fact that you have removed evidence of your plagiarism does not mean that the forum will forget it. Don’t forget that archives exist, and if necessary, interested people will always be able to check whether your story was plagiarized or not since you will have a tag as a reminder.
But yes, the moderators gave you a chance to improve your posting, and you were not banned this time. But you should not be vindictive when your mistakes are pointed out to you. Look what you did today!


You accused the participant of using an AI tool without reading the rules at all and without delving into the correctness of the assessment you made. And the only reason is that examplens made you a good and fair comment.

Your desire to gain merit in any way seems very obsessive and funny. ;D

Just a few days ago, he sent me a PM "Just for Thanking" with a lot of appreciation and pleasure. Now I'm not sure that exposing my use of AI is an expression of dissatisfaction because I didn't delete the questionable post.
It's amazing how obsessed people are with AI-text tools.

I was not going to care about the issue until I noticed the interest of Bounty campaign managers to avoid assigning members who use AI to produce publications and in other cases punish those found guilty. But what determines whether or not there is a conviction if there is no accurate way to discover this? In many examples, I am certain that a particular post was made by AI, but I cannot make an official accusation because I do not have enough evidence other than my innate intuition. I really hope no one is wronged because of this.

This is in addition to the great possibility that there will be a similarity between one of these texts and what a human mind might produce. The issue is getting more complicated, in my opinion.

I think mods are in a quite difficult situation when they evaluate AI reports. First things first, there is no rule which prohibits the use of AI. So, reporting it and using "AI" as excuse, does not satisfy the conditions for deletion. Only if the post is completely meaningless, it'd be removed, but that's because being "completely meaningless" is against the rules. So, if someone used accurate AI responses, I'm not entirely sure what a mod should do.

If it's totally apparent, then yes. Any account which is essentially run by a chatbot, presented as a human, cannot be trusted.

There should be a deterrent in the form of an official announcement that would make those using AI on a continuous basis beyond grammar correction face a permanent ban. At the moment the appropriate acceptable course of action to take is to either report the post and/or leave a neutral tag. As this problem will only increase with time (because of signature spammers), an announcement will probably be made to address it.

Don't keep to yourself behind Kids, Keep walking hand in hand. This job doesn't suit you. >:(

Your wording is confusing. Can you try saying it again in a way that makes sense?

And by the way, lovesmayfamilis is right. You can't just accuse reputed members of using AI-generated content if you're not competent enough to use AI detection tools properly.  You gotta learn to tie your shoes before you win a marathon!

You can use this topic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5456516.0) and try to detect with several reliable detectors. If there are several posts detected by Copyleaks, Hive Moderation and Sapling, then any chance that a user didn't use any AI is about zero. If they weren't caught this time, let them make more mistakes. Many when slightly editing AI texts forget that AI takes his words from Internet, so once they will be caught on plagiarism when big enough parts of texts from some outer source will be found in what they post. Those who are too lazy to write by themselves or who have too many accounts for that, will make many mistakes and being caught for them is just a matter of time.

Because they can earn money from it. There is a campaign in particular that has a very high maximum number of posts they will pay you for. It is unreasonable to expect anyone to create 50+ quality posts per week so a lot of members in that signature campaign resort to either spamming generic nonsense or using AI to write their posts. There are also some users participating in campaigns with multiple accounts, which would obviously require a lot of effort if they were creating posts organically, so they use AI to cheat more efficiently.

It is almost always obvious when somebody is using AI, but it is time consuming to investigate every case, and with how unreliable AI detecting tools are, there are many cases which go overlooked or unpunished.

Pretty sure I'm up to over 100 "good" reports where I put "AI spam" in the report description along with a link to the post that details the detector results in this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5456516.0). But yes, simply being AI-generated isn't enough to have it deleted. I find that threads that open with an AI post aren't necessarily deleted, especially if its an advertisement for a new coin, token, or service. A post can contain "accurate responses" and still be spam at the same time.


I've been neutral tagging users for it -- I don't think red tag is appropriate as it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with trade trustworthiness. If others want to red tag offending accounts for it, I'm not gonna try to stop them.

I think members who are using AI will be easier to recognize in the future, because I am predicting all AI will become worse in giving any correct answers.
Brave browser recently released AI inside their search engine and users now have the option to get answers from this (stupid) AI.
So I decided to test it with random questions and it was giving me wildly wrong answers most of the times.

Few examples:


https://search.brave.com/