Use of AI on Bitcoin talk

[Jatiluhung]

Correcting writing punctuation with AI tools may not be prohibited. We can even use automatic text prediction to improve our English writing which may be bad. I personally also feel that I am not very good at English. So I often make mistakes in placing some of the right words. But personally, I am still confident that my writing can still be understood by readers, so I still don't feel the need to use tools to correct my writing.

The most important thing is not to misuse AI just to make replies or posts. Because the essence of this forum is discussion. So when AI speaks, the essence of the discussion itself is lost. So it is understandable if AI is prohibited from making a complete reply. Unless we need a written reference and we ask Ai to look for it and then we quote it and must also include the source, whether it is the result of AI or from a website or book.

But I personally recommend avoiding using Ai. Because the habit of using AI to correct our writing or spelling, grammar will only make us careless and get used to it. So in the end our language skills will not develop at all.

[famososMuertos]

When the grammar is terrible, I don't like reading things in Spanish, especially when they are native people. So, just because you are a native of a language doesn't mean you have good grammar.

In that idea, I think you should first study your language and with the help of these tools learn to "write" English.

The forum is not a grammar school but at least its idea should be understood by everyone. Come on, my English is not perfect (it is very far), but I try to learn the correct use of grammar, doing that sometimes takes me a post that does not appear in few minutes.

Consequently it is very easy to copy & paste your idea, so,  AI can be stealing your writing essence, which can determine who as a user you really are.

Then, the important thing is that the essence of your idea is understood, and it arrives the way you really want it, not  As Artificial Intelligence Paraphrases It.

[EarnOnVictor]

Now my confusion is Although the forum says not to use AI content does that mean that paraphrasing or punctuating with AI is allowed?

Maybe you are confused by what he said, and perhaps, he should have defined it better. Once the body of the message is yours, you can't be penalised for it and will never be the same as another person's work. So there is no way this can attract any infraction since it will surely be void of plagiarism and the AI writing violation of the forum.

What I see here is just a misconception, many AIs that are good in writing and editing are not even used for direct writing, they will not be able to auto-generate such for you. Many of them are even encouraged in school as they help students develop their English learning and writing skills faster and better. A good example is Grammarly, it will correct your errors in writing and before you know it, you can be a better writer without it within a short time.

[Zigabel]

The use of AI on Bitcoin talk is against the rules of this forum . Of course part of the rules on this forum is not to make use of AI to generate posts or to use AI copied text as your own or original text. But how strict is it?

Posts appear more presentable here when proper paraphrasing and punctuations are used. Unfortunately, not everyone here on Bitcoin talk is a native English speaker or writer hence some persons may find some difficulties paraphrasing or punctuating their write-ups.

Now why did I create this thread?
Recently I came across a post in the beginners and help section by a newbie whose English was not ok. Now what drove me into thinking was the reply of one of the forum's most reputable member; BlackHatCoiner. Here was his reply ;
Re: New member as you notice there he mentioned the op rather use an AI to punctuate his posts than leave them poorly structured.

Now my confusion is Although the forum says not to use AI content does that mean that paraphrasing or punctuating with AI is allowed?

For proper structuring and punctuation of post, I think AI helps without resenting the originality of the idea of the poster, that's what I see as been essential, the originality of your idea been conveyed as it should be is exactly what should be intended with your posting. Not everyone on the forum is a native English speaker or writer but everyone who can speak and understand English on the forum is expected to communicate their ideas about any topic originally without plagiarism and for further clearity, proper punctuation and structuring is required so that the idea of such a person is conveyed in it's original form and understood without any form of ambiguity.

Not all AI are used to generate replies and post only, there are some out there than can be used to help you properly structure and punctuate your sentence and the use of such can't be considered plagiarism or using AI to generate a post because your post still maintains it's originality but in a well structured form for better understanding of others on the forum.

[lovesmayfamilis]

We come to the forum to communicate with people, don't we? Do we want to devolve into communicating with AI? We know where AI gets information from, and there have been many cases where AI answers did not correspond to the truth. But by not paying attention to the posts created by AI, we equate ourselves with those idiots who talk with inanimate things.
If the forum is still human, you need to take advantage of the moment of communication with people and not turn into robots talking to robots.
The world is going crazy with too much AI, so let's leave a few places where we feel like we're not robots.
I believe the rules should be stricter for those who create posts using AI.

[criptoevangelista]

We come to the forum to communicate with people, don't we? Do we want to devolve into communicating with AI? We know where AI gets information from, and there have been many cases where AI answers did not correspond to the truth. But by not paying attention to the posts created by AI, we equate ourselves with those idiots who talk with inanimate things.
If the forum is still human, you need to take advantage of the moment of communication with people and not turn into robots talking to robots.
The world is going crazy with too much AI, so let's leave a few places where we feel like we're not robots.
I believe the rules should be stricter for those who create posts using AI.

There are so many topics to talk about here, even if they are topics that some consider bad, there is always a way to extract some kind of knowledge, I get so discouraged when things are not organic, people trying to use AI, using creativity to feed an AI instead of using this creativity to come here and talk about anything.

[pakhitheboss]

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I have been using free Grammarly for quite some time now and it corrects my spelling, does help me with grammar, and sometimes removes unwanted words from a sentence. They recently came up with another free product which is called Rewrite with Grammerly, it will only help if used to improve a paragraph or a sentence and helps with ideas to write a topic. As you are suggesting Grammarly I would like to ask you, If rewrite is used will it be considered AI written content?

[BlackHatCoiner]

The use of AI on Bitcoin talk is against the rules of this forum .

Plagiarizing is forbidden, not paraphrasing. When an AI corrects your grammar, that is considered paraphrasing. And yes, I personally encourage the use of Grammarly or an LLM if used properly, because I frequently stumble across posts which are criminal offenses to the English language.

I imagine there will soon be a day when use of ChatGPT is considered plagiarism and potentially a ban-able offense

To consider something plagiarism, you need evidence. Not, "mechanically seemingly generated text" evidence. Solid evidence. Unless ChatGPT or other AI models allow you to search their database, which I very much doubt as it'd be super privacy invasive, how do you expect this to happen?

[nutildah]

I imagine there will soon be a day when use of ChatGPT is considered plagiarism and potentially a ban-able offense

To consider something plagiarism, you need evidence. Not, "mechanically seemingly generated text" evidence. Solid evidence. Unless ChatGPT or other AI models allow you to search their database, which I very much doubt as it'd be super privacy invasive, how do you expect this to happen?

We've been doing it for quite some time over here:

AI Spam Report Reference Thread

Based on trial-and-error, me and the other main contributors of that thread have been able to come up with a reporting method that leads to the deletion of most posts reported as "AI spam."

Since its not the same thing as traditional plagiarism, where the text source can be found and presented as solid evidence, I'm of the opinion that it should lead to temp bans and then permanent ban if the user persists. Indeed, some users have already been banned as spammers (whether its a ban for plagiarism or spam, I don't really care, so long as they are banned).

Another newbie is altcoinssousa

Of the thirteen posts this user has so far, twelve of them are written with the help of an AI bot. That's not counting those deleted posts you mentioned in your report. The question is, do we need such users on the forum? I think not. Therefore, this user is being banned.

[BlackHatCoiner]

Indeed, some users have already been banned as spammers (whether its a ban for plagiarism or spam, I don't really care, so long as they are banned).

Good, but these posts are deleted as spam, not as plagiarism. I agree that there are countless of AI meaningless posts, and should be deleted, but not because they were generated by an AI; simply because they lack essence and / or fill the board with shitposts.

My reply goes to banning someone and using "ChatGPT plagiarism" as an excuse. Of course and I support banning spammers.

[Hispo]

I don't know about your opinion on this matter, but to me using Artificial intelligence to improve interaction on this forum sounds rather going backwards to what is supposed to be the natural path towards learning a second language. Now,  I don't want anyone to misunderstand me, English is not my first language and I indeed struggled at the beginning of my journey learning it, so I used Google translator to aid myself with some words and sentences I could not build or understand. However, the point of those tools (translators, dictionaries and AI) is to be able to grow apart from them eventually and be able to express ourselves independently.
I am afraid the use of AI in the forum could discourage people from actually learning to post by themselves and from learning grammar which could be actually useful in other contexts, like during a job interview, for example.

Would people using AI this way even take notes on how they are supposed to write or just copy-paste their result without paying attention to corrections? That is the question.

[CODE200]

We come to the forum to communicate with people, don't we? Do we want to devolve into communicating with AI? We know where AI gets information from, and there have been many cases where AI answers did not correspond to the truth. But by not paying attention to the posts created by AI, we equate ourselves with those idiots who talk with inanimate things.
If the forum is still human, you need to take advantage of the moment of communication with people and not turn into robots talking to robots.
The world is going crazy with too much AI, so let's leave a few places where we feel like we're not robots.
I believe the rules should be stricter for those who create posts using AI.

It's a sad thing but this connection with humans online is already a teeny tiny amount compared to connections in real life and replacing that with AI seems kind of like eliminating it entirely making lots of us that don't have a lot of human connection lose it. It's a good thing that AI is still making mistakes when it comes to problem solving, it's obvious when someone's using it to help someone out using a post so they can pretend to know something about the problem. People have long been warned with AI (shoutout to the story I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream by Harlan Ellison) but we didn't believe them that they're just going to be used for automation but now, they're trying to replace what it's like to be a human, such a sad dystopia we're living in.

[robelneo]

Now why did I create this thread?
Recently I came across a post in the beginners and help section by a newbie whose English was not ok. Now what drove me into thinking was the reply of one of the forum's most reputable member; BlackHatCoiner. Here was his reply ;
Re: New member as you notice there he mentioned the op rather use an AI to punctuate his posts than leave them poorly structured.

Now my confusion is Although the forum says not to use AI content does that mean that paraphrasing or punctuating with AI is allowed?

I will also ask the OP of that thread to use a  paraphrasing or correction tool to correctly structure his thread for members to fully understand what he wants to convey, and yes I also encourage the use of Grammarly, Grammarly not only correct our errors but we also learn how words are correctly written and where the right punctuation should be, even the best writers use Grammarly to correct the wordings, the past and the present form of the sentence, but output should come out from the posters thinking and it should be within the topic.
This is to avoid miscommunication from the creator of the topic and the posters posted different answers because of miscommunication because of the wrong structure of the topic.

[EarnOnVictor]

I don't know about your opinion on this matter, but to me using Artificial intelligence to improve interaction on this forum sounds rather going backwards to what is supposed to be the natural path towards learning a second language.

I believe you do not get the gist at all, you mean the improvement of one's English is a backwardness?

C'mon! Let me assume that you do not know what the AI we are actually talking about are used for. Depending on the AIs in question, they are not manipulators or encouragers of lazy writing, but instead, they are teachers, tutors, correctors and mentors. They show you your wrong English, punctuation and others, and will also suggest the proper way they should be done for you. However, you construct your words and their meaning yourself, and not them.

This can't ever be a setback for the forum but can instead improve the league of good writers and reduce the garbage we read daily on the forum. If you must know, and maybe you will do research on this as well, to know that you got it all wrong because Schools, Businesses, Media houses, Freelancers, Editing firms, Scriptwriters, Publishers, the Government and many more are using it. It is good to the extent that I've read from sources that Western schools encourage it for their students to improve their English speaking and writing.

Using them correctly, especially Grammarly, I can assure you that you will pass your professional English exams with good grades. Not to mention that its tutoring is faster than theoretical learning. Is that what you call a setback?

[skarais]

There are two different things, firstly writing with AI and secondly improving grammar using AI. These two categories are different, but both use AI as a tool. I'm sure many users including moderators don't like the first category and therefore users get their posts deleted and reported, but the second category may still be tolerable even though some other users don't agree with the method.

Many of us are not native English speakers, but our passion for learning and improving grammar sets us apart from each other. The most important thing is that the ideas written are conveyed and can be understood well by other users, if not then local board are suitable for them.

[Ultegra134]

There are two different things, firstly writing with AI and secondly improving grammar using AI. These two categories are different, but both use AI as a tool. I'm sure many users including moderators don't like the first category and therefore users get their posts deleted and reported, but the second category may still be tolerable even though some other users don't agree with the method.

Many of us are not native English speakers, but our passion for learning and improving grammar sets us apart from each other. The most important thing is that the ideas written are conveyed and can be understood well by other users, if not then local board are suitable for them.

I can't name grammar correctors such as Grammarly or QuillBot as AI, even though both premium versions offer a wide variety of tools to improve your text and its fluency. From what I've noticed, the majority of users who are using AI writing tools are newbies, possibly in an attempt to rank up or appear sophisticated, trying to show off that they know what they're talking about. Moreover, a large number of them think that they're smarter than everyone else, enter a signature campaign, and get away with making money without any effort.

Thankfully, I can't recall seeing any reputable users using them; there are certainly exceptions to this rule, but I believe that the community is generally on the lookout for AI usage, and I've started checking suspicious posts as well, in order to contribute to the AI report thread.

[Coin_trader]

There are two different things, firstly writing with AI and secondly improving grammar using AI. These two categories are different, but both use AI as a tool. I'm sure many users including moderators don't like the first category and therefore users get their posts deleted and reported, but the second category may still be tolerable even though some other users don't agree with the method.

I believe AI post will not a big deal if the content provided by the AI is really pleasing “unique” content for the discussion. The problem on AI post was its answer is too general as if you are discussing with a book that gives fact from its reference while forum is a place for a discussion between users means an idea from the opinion of others and not from google which an AI can never provide.

An AI post is only helpful for topics that asking questions with specific answers and not for post with objective questions. Admin keep deleting post that comes from AI due to its spammy and off topic way since user that use it is too lazy to check its content before they use it as post.

[Lucius]

I believe AI post will not a big deal if the content provided by the AI is really pleasing for the discussion. The problem on AI post was its answer is too general as if you are discussing with a book that gives fact from its reference while forum is a place for a discussion between users means an idea from the opinion of others and not from google which an AI can never provide.
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It's hard for me to believe that I read this and that from someone who is a "Legendary" member of this forum, and does not see any problem in the fact that someone uses AI chat to create posts that he then presents as his own as long as those posts are "pleasing for the discussion".

I would like to ask you if you understand what kind of message you are sending with your post to all those who will read your post and have doubts about AI posts, but I honestly doubt that members who think like you even understand the difference between content that is unique and created by humans and that which is created by artificial intelligence.

[jokers10]

English is not my first language and I indeed struggled at the beginning of my journey learning it, so I used Google translator to aid myself with some words and sentences I could not build or understand.

I don't think that I reveal anyone's secret if I say that there are many users who use some online translators like Google Translate on a regular base. I often see some typical mistakes these translators make and it looks fun. I'm sure I make even more fun mistakes, so I'm far from blaming anyone in that.

Main difference with AI usage is that some users probably don't know English good enough, but they know what they are talking about. If they say something about some aspect of their Bitcoin experience, they usually have that experience and they can talk about it with their mother tongue. So when they use GT, they can get some mistakes in grammar but all mistakes in facts can be only if they have some misunderstanding.

When someone uses AI, they usually don't understand what AI wrote for them. They know nearly nothing about the topic they try to join. They don't understand where AI makes mistakes and even if other will tell about those mistakes they will nor understand it, nor even be interested in understanding.

If I ever want to talk to AI, I can do it myself. I need no fakers who try to pass off AI text as their own and who can't say anything else by themselves.

[Coin_trader]

I believe AI post will not a big deal if the content provided by the AI is really pleasing for the discussion. The problem on AI post was its answer is too general as if you are discussing with a book that gives fact from its reference while forum is a place for a discussion between users means an idea from the opinion of others and not from google which an AI can never provide.
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It's hard for me to believe that I read this and that from someone who is a "Legendary" member of this forum, and does not see any problem in the fact that someone uses AI chat to create posts that he then presents as his own as long as those posts are "pleasing for the discussion".

I would like to ask you if you understand what kind of message you are sending with your post to all those who will read your post and have doubts about AI posts, but I honestly doubt that members who think like you even understand the difference between content that is unique and created by humans and that which is created by artificial intelligence.

By means of pleasing on my post is described on the second of my comment which you deleted. I’m not encouraging the use of AI per se but rather it’s not a big deal for me discussing with someone if it can provide a discussion that looks like an organic post which I already mention that is impossible to attain by the AI technology.

Can I ask you a question, what’s your main goal why you are here in the forum? Because mine is for the sake of discussion to other user on the topic that gives me interest. I’m not sure your goal but this is my opinion and my rank is not relevant for giving an opinion on this matter.

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I already edited my previous post just to avoid comments like you are trying to convey which is not my real intention.